Nancy Pelosi takes the House. Now to be known as the…..
HOUSE OF COMMIES
Donald Trump takes the Senate. Including the Suspicious Cat who eats Dem traitors…..
Jeff Sessions RESIGNS.
To be replaced by a guy who is making treasonous Eric Holder drop bricks….
Sundance at CTH parks a bomb over his “QTard” followers….
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2018/11/07/the-truth-has-no-agenda-2/
And then detonates it.
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2018/11/07/jeff-sessions-resignation/
And then to top it all off, Q goes really big on the posts. Including these gems:
Senate vs. House:
The WAR to take the Senate.
Goodbye and thanks to Jeff Sessions.
Martial law and Posse Comitatus.
Have at it, folks.
W
I feel like I have been beyotch slapped.
I haven’t fully made up my mind about Sessions, although that matters no more since he’s gone. I went from white hat to black hat and back and forth, finally just letting it go and accepting that I don’t get to know at this time what is in Jeff Sessions head or heart.
I haven’t fully made up my mind about Q, either. I have a lingering suspicion, and yet there has been a lot of good stuff and interesting stuff come from Q so I can’t or won’t dismiss Q, either.
I’ve always appreciated Sundance’s smarts and insights. But I’m kind of disappointed by his recent take on Sessions and Q, because as far as I know Sundance doesn’t have any special insider knowledge into either Sessions head or Q’s. I follow his logic just fine, but there’s a lot left unknown.
It is hard, in the wake of Sundance’s recent comments, to comment on certain things because this has unleashed some commenters yammering on and on about people who are interested in Q or believe in Q and in pretty nasty terms including attacks on the Praying Medic for heaven’s sake. Inappropriate terms, in my mind, but the comments don’t seem to be moderated.
Well, the Treehouse is Sundance’s and I will try to avoid arguments and so forth out of respect but I’m kind of disappointed.
So there you go. All my feelz but no good thoughts or insights yet. I’ll let it percolate for a few hours and we’ll see what turns up. I did think Q’s posts over the last couple days were pretty interesting and didn’t seem unreasonable to me.
Thanks Wolfie for giving us a place to talk about this.
Great comments! And you’re welcome – glad you’ve come here to post!!! 😀
Thank you so much, wolfmoon, for this link!!!! LOVE it! Now on my daily schedule!
Excellent! Thank you! I hope to add posts more often. Just very busy with new members right now!!! 😀
Good to hear it, Wolfmoon. 🙂
You’re not alone, Sylvia…I’m disappointed too.
I guess SD forgot about that long conversation between Lindsey Graham and Justice Kavanaugh at the hearings…where Lindsey shared his thoughts on the use of military tribunals for civilians and Kavanaugh concurred, that they can be used.
SD’s hit piece on Q and Q-peeps was unnecessary, unbecoming and downright petty.
It was like an unleash-the-hounds call for all the Q-haters there to go nuclear on anyone who dares to be interested in Q.
Not cool.
There is a toxic cloud hanging in the air over there now.
wheatietoo, there is something that I read some time ago and I can’t recall if it was a Q/QAnon post or somewhere else I read it and it keeps coming back to me since I read SD’s posts last night. It was during the Q upheaval about who was really on the “side” of the QTeam and who was using it for their own purpose, I believe. Anyway, it was about how you know who to trust and the example was used about a reputable site getting hijacked with disinformation to throw people off track and I don’t recall details but it posed the question of how your would know and what you would do if you encountered that scenario.
The whole tone of that post was unlike anything I’ve ever read there or maybe just unlike anything I ever remember. I have learned as much from the commenters there as from SD and his crew from the beginning and the tone was so different last night.
Another thing that was different for me last night as I started to access the site, my newly installed (by the Geek Squad without my request) Webroot blocked the site as harmful/suspicious/possible bot infected…not sure of the terminology but I sent a request for them to review their information and stated how long I had regularly visited the site and knew it to be reputable and that I would choose to uninstall their product if proved to be a choice between Webroot and CTH. That is a newly installed program but it is not the first time I had accessed CTH on this laptop since it was installed here so something was different there, too. I meant to post the Webroot info there so they could check to see why the site was being blocked and I wonder if other people experienced it and I need to try other computers to see if it blocks it on them.
I know this seems “way out there” and I am just wondering on my keyboard….
I started having trouble with the CTH site a few weeks ago, and still am.
It’s mainly problems with WordPress when I’m there:
— Can’t access my reply-notifications
— Have to keep logging in, keep getting bumped off.
I don’t have those problems with any other WP site…just at the CTH.
Although I don’t experience those problems with the WP Reader feed of the CTH, only the regular site.
Here is the WP Reader site, in case you’re not familiar with it:
https://wordpress.com/read/feeds/352641
I’ve seen comments from other Treepers who have been having problems with the ads there.
Since I use an Ad-blocker, I haven’t been experiencing those.
There have been problems in the past with pernicious malware and adware attacking the CTH site.
Perhaps your Webroot app is picking up on those?
Since I’m not familiar with that one, I don’t know what it’s functions are.
On the subject of Q…there have been major attacks going on, on the 8chan site where Q makes his ‘drops’:
Shills posting disinfo and trying to make the site look bad by posting racist stuff, etc.
Trolls posting demoralizing anti-Q drivel, to try to make the Q peeps feel foolish.
It’s an ongoing battle.
The Anons over there do a great job of fending off the attacks.
Q even joins in the battle.
And yeah, there are some people out there who have been trying to make money off of the Q thing.
But Q or the Q-team are not doing that.
I have also not been able to comment. WordPress says my password is wrong but it is saved on my iPad.? Tried to reset it but still no good. Read on another site with a link to govt judiciary that the reason the dems went all in on Kavanaugh was RBGs melanoma is back and she will be retiring in jan. now that will put the cat amongst the pigeons
WOW. That’s a big deal, and makes sense. BTW, your post was in moderation – just got you out. Hope that’s the last time!
“RBGs melanoma is back”
That could explain the gloves (maybe more than dry skin, although handling a lot of paper can cause severely dryness / cracking).
What site are you referring to? Possible for you to link? Thx.
I found this over at the Qresearch board, it’s from Sept, but it’s one of several articles I’ve seen from that time period that are floating around…and they all say the same thing about her melanoma returning + her retiring in Jan:
Ugh, should have read further. Sorry wheatie.
(Click on it to enlarge.)
Thanks Wheatie.
A little odd that the ostensible date of the article is tomorrow, yet it’s available today. Are papers doing online previews now?
Still, the attributions from her staff, and claims in re Senate notification, make it likely true, IMO.
Hope the recount possibility in FL falls through. That lawyer Elias is bad news! As is Gollum …
The reply button on wheatietoo’s comment is missing so I will post this link here to the RBG article she found on Qresearch board if anyone wants to share a link with Qadverse friends who care more about where the information is filtered through than the information. I did a google search on the publication and found nothing unfavorable about it. The homepage shows the date is Week of November 9, 2018 so that helps to make the date make sense.
https://www.smobserved.com/story/2018/11/09/politics/justice-ruth-bader-ginsburg-will-retire-from-the-us-supreme-court-in-january-2019/3658.html
Here’s where I just read the RBG melanoma/retirement story. If true, no WONDER the leftoid’s panties are in a bunch. I’ve been thinking for some time now that if RBG goes toes up the whole country is going on fire.
https://www.smobserved.com/story/2018/11/09/politics/justice-ruth-bader-ginsburg-will-retire-from-the-us-supreme-court-in-january-2019/3658.html
Maybe Sundance has BANNED (Censored) you too…… I can not post there seemingly ever again for no good reason.
What were your last several posts about? Who were you engaging? That probably answers it.
Be sure on CTH that:
(1) you have “third party cookies” OK for the CTH site, in whatever ad blockers or extensions or blocking browser (like Brave) that you are using that can block browser capabilities
(2) that you have logged into WordPress using the same browser and saved the login ID and password in the browser, and have checked “Remember me”
I find this makes the notification “busy” icon go away fast.
Thanks for the tips…will check on your info. I do use Adblock Plus.
Wolfmoon1776, just wanted to follow up and thank you again. I followed your suggestions and all is now well w/CTH posting/liking.
I had asked a few times for help when my ability to post/like stopped and even sent a couple of emails but never got any responses and actually stopped recurring donations because there was a diminished value.
Do you have any Patreon or similar accounts to receive $?
No – your thanks are enough! 😀
Money is not the root of all evil, but it does have a will of its own! As long as my broken computer still works, I can keep money safely at arms length. 😉
Perfect for now as you wish but keep options open for expansion!
OK!!! 😀
In reference to you question about CTH Banning….. I was arguing with one of the Mods about the use of a certain “Word” and its usages….. IOW…. A female body part that also has usage as a “wimp”, in which I was defending its usage on the board. The mod was evidently a female that hates that word in EVERY context. I tried to appeal to “Sundance”, but my requests and apologies were evidently never passed on to him/her. I have read many worse posts on CTH but I am BANNED (Censored)… evidently for life. 🙁
Not that way out, actually. All superpowers have extreme web manipulation abilities. Interesting.
” It was during the Q upheaval about who was really on the “side” of the QTeam and who was using it for their own purpose”
IIRC, that was during the Corsi live spots on Patriots Soapbox. After a few appearances by him, Q then posted the warning you referred to (“Be careful who you follow.”), but Q did it WITHOUT naming names.
Immediately after, Corsi doxxed himself by assuming the Q-post was directed at him, and he got all faux-outraged … faux I say, because he indeed was an AJ plant, trying first to establish credibility so as to then rip the Q-followers apart from one another.
Corsi outed himself. And the AJ / Corsi infiltration plan BACKFIRED spectacularly.
Afterward, the proprietors of the PS site apologized to their viewers (especially those who’d sounded the shill alarm), and moved on. Patriots soapbox is an honest, hard-working, and knowledgeable group, IMO, and they’ve done some FANTASTIC deep dives down rabbit-holes of intel for their viewers.
I believe that they truly regretted being played, and have learned a good lesson to take better care in vetting guests.
Yes, Emeraldstar that is exactly the time I referred to.
Again I have to show my ignorance–what is AJ?
Alex Jones, the proprietor and host of Infowars.
A lot of times Q refers to people by using first & last initials – and even the Anons don’t figure out the initials abbreviations right away.
All these acronyms (for “efficiency” in phone-texting) get burdensome. For instance, I’ve seen “SMH” many, many times, but have never confirmed what it stands for. My best guess is “So Much Hate!”
So, don’t feel bad! As one other poster said on another thread (here, I think), “The only stupid question is the one you don’t ask!” Everyone has gaps in knowledge …
Thank you, Emerald. And glad you had trouble with smh, too. That was another one that I had trouble with and I finally just gave up wondering. All the acronyms drive me a bit crazy. My friends who are on Facebook act shocked when I ask them.
SMH = Shaking My Head
Sometimes there is a ‘D’ in it:
SMDH = Shaking My Damn Head
Thank you, wWheatie. Had never encountered it until CTH and have never seen it with the D.
SMH is shakes my head, or so I’ve been told but good heavens I’m ancient so I’m hardly au courant in the lingo.
SMH = shaking my head
Zoe, I run across internet slang and acronyms all the time I cannot figure out. I found some time ago I could enter the letters + internet slang or acronym and get an answer. Soothes lots of angst! Hope this helps you!
It’s very difficult to be on the Treehouse right now, I will agree. I’ve avoided it this morning.
That said, I want to remind all of us to be as forgiving as possible, because DIVIDING THE TREEHOUSE is their goal. The comments section there is now FILLED with foreign actors and American socialist shills of the highest quality. I also believe there are things going on that we don’t know about, to create this division. Don’t fall for it. Sundance IS under attack. I can see the hand over the table. I guarantee there is a hand under the table, messing with his world in real life. It’s how they operate.
I’m being good…not rattling any cages.
😀
I have decided to be a happy warrior.
It’s better than being glum.
#IBelieveHer
If it were just the commentors I could deal with that. But She’s attack was over the top.
Sundance’s. Smh (lol).
I had to step away for awhile over the summer, and it has taken me awhile to get back into spending time on CTH. I’ve been sort of shocked at the change. It is quite palpable. And the last couple of weeks there have been so many new names and toxically horrible attitudes. Wow. I have a pretty good memory for names so I really notice the new ones.
Sundance dropped a comment about how many visitors to the site from the UK alone and it was over 3k a day. CTH is obviously bigger than I knew and it has been getting noticed certainly over the last year or so. I wouldn’t be surprised by anything at this point.
There are a LOT of foreign actors. And many of them are NOT on America’s side.
I can well believe that!
“It was like an unleash-the-hounds call for all the Q-haters there to go nuclear on anyone who dares to be interested in Q.”
Yes. And as one who is both interested and curious it makes things unpleasant. It is a shame.
Yes, does make it very unpleasant.
It was extremely divisive – NOT unifying at all.
These times call for unifying Americans wherever possible – how many sense an impending (if not already present) civil war?
Whatever stress may be on the site, sowing such division (what – in order to save the site?) doesn’t alleviate the stress, but rather aggravates it.
“I’ll damage my site to prevent my site from being damaged.” An illogical strategy, doomed to fail.
I’ve noticed quite a few others posting here over the past few days, and I expect quite a few have been lurking. [ ]’s base is beginning to fade away.
And you’re right – it’s a shame.
To quote our VSGPDJT: “Sad!”
I agree with it all, Emeraldstar, including about impending or present civil war. We need one another.
“We need one another.”
We sure do.
If we can avoid a civil war and save our freedoms, then we really need to avoid one. Civil war is horrible.
That said, the enemies of America are the ones trying to inflict civil war on us. And that is very, very, very evil. So evil, that utter annihilation of such provocateurs is justified.
Let me repeat. I’d rather incinerate those nations utterly – both the surely guilty and the maybe guilty – than let freedom die. And I would rather incinerate them before we have civil war here.
I hope I am extremely clear with that.
I don’t think those nations get it. Better to KILL THEM ALL than give up freedom.
Think about it, you nations.
Like the admonishment from airline attendants to put the oxygen make on oneself FIRST, in case of emergency, so too we must FIRST take care of the internal emergency our nation is suffering, in order to be able to help other nations.
Enemies within our borders are more dangerous than enemies without.
I strongly suspect we have the military might to quash any threat from other nations. When we hear about technologies like the “Rod of *od” [I asterisk, because the name is inappropriate, even though it’s evocative], what it means is that we have tech that’s two or three generations BEYOND it.
Btw, I agree wholeheartedly with your assessment of burning down everything else, if need be, to save ourselves.
Ethics is downstream from survival. And I believe we are fighting for our survival as a nation. We haven’t come to the ultimate choice, yet, but most people I know (on both “sides”, btw) sense the distinct possibility in the near future.
We don’t have time left to be sloppy, and bicker about who’s the “truer” patriot – that’s vain.
I believe that our White Hat Military has known about this degradation of our national cohesion for quite a while, and finally they (we) have an INDEPENDENT POTUS to get the job of restoring our Republic done.
We’re on the right track, and the train is accelerating – but we’re still pretty far from our final destination. We need to keep on track, and not get derailed by in-fighting … because “in-fighting” IS THE PROBLEM!
Rant off! (for the present …)
Great comments!!! 😀
We MUST do all we can to prevent that, IMO. It may well come to that, eventually, but until then……let us do all we can to avoid it!
They want US divided.
AMEN!!!
Yes, and this is a perfect example of that isn’t it.
Yes there is. I could only bring myself to go to today was the recipe thread.
Now I’m sickened by the stuff going on with the ballots in FL & AZ. Can’t even read anything to do with it. Me! The person who can handle anything that most people cringe and shy away from…I don’t like my waning kick @$$ current disposition. If I feel that way, I feel for those patriots who aren’t tough old Polish-Italian woman to begin with.
The only thing besides faith that keeps me from kicking bricks is that I know the dems are doing their poll shenanigans to sow despair since they have to cool it regarding rioting.
I read Sundance article on the truth and he is right the truth has no agenda. That being said I do not see Q’s postings as a secret plot to fool people, as Sundance said “The truth has no agenda” . I have hard time understanding the animosity towards Q that Sundance and others have towards a movement that has a huge number of people finally awake to the fact that our country has been invaded from within by people who hate our country and us! I have been reading Q posts for a while ,his posts have led me to look for things on my own and what a ride its been! So in conclusion I think everyone is entitled to there own opinion as for myself I have been called a conspiracy kook for years lol and thats ok, a lot of the time I have been right, so I’m all good with Sundance thinking I am gullible little sheep:)
Baahbaah from one little gullible sheep to another, Sue.
Funny that you mentioned a lack of moderation on the threads. This morning I posted a comment on menagerie’s annual T-Day recipe thread. The comment was inquiring whether anyone had a recipe for crow because Acosta needed one. She came back so fast to inform everyone that her thread was to be politics-free. Yet it was not removed which means that it was too funny. 🙂
Sundance’s comments were too strong based on the available information. I don’t think the fact that Sessions resigned is proof that either (1) he was not actively fighting the corruption inside DOJ and (2) he was not assisting in the effort to bring the whole Crossfire Hurricane cabal to Justice.
I agree, A Fortiori.
Adding my agreement also…
My take for what it’s worth: Sundance was all about the “Plan” in the beginning. He even suggested Mulehead and Rosie were ‘grey’ hats. Later he changed his mind… I hesitate to add more of my thoughts on his change of mind… don’t want to appear or even be judgmental. Additionally, as I don’t have the history others here may have with CTH (have been occupying my little branch there for maybe 15 mos.+ or – ?), I can’t speak for Sundance’s past experience with saying “I was wrong”…
I watched his twitter following grow from 20,000 to the 114,000 + it now is… and I think that may be a factor. As his audience was growing he felt he had to make a choice? Sessions/sting or Sessions an inept traitor/plant…??? Now that he’s made the choice it must be carved in concrete? I don’t know. But I’m not comfortable expressing my own opinion at CTH with regard to Sessions or Q… and that is made even more clear to me at this time in our country when conservatives are being censored, when we can’t even wear a MAGA hat or a Trump t-shirt, except at rallies where there are thousands of us. We are being censosred on a website… we are being censored at CTH. Your mileage may vary, but that’s my 2 cents.
My gut feeling with regard to Sessions is “it ain’t over ’til the fat lady sings… guess I’ve read too much Agatha Christie and Elizabeth George. I still lean toward this all being one huge sting. Sessions set up the pins, now it’s Whitaker’s (we take her) job to bring in the strikes…
Donald Trump is a very patient man. He lives in a world of short attention span, of instant gratification, of low-information and zilch critical thinking. His supporters can become as unhinged as the left, for ex. the voter fraud going on now. Very few can remove themselves from the sea of emotion they swim in to actually rationalize that this national focus on voter fraud could be a positive thing. (If it exists today, it’s certainly possible it existed in 2016, etc. If the Dims can commit voter fraud they can also conspire to bring down a sitting president. After all, what is voter fraud but a coup of a different kind.)
With regard to Q…
How could it be anything BUT positive?
One is and has always been encouraged to think for one’s self, to dig, research. (Isn’t that what Blexit is about?) Sometimes theories outside the box are suggested. How is that negative? No, anyone who opposes Q, sees it as a problem… is usually someone who has zilch interaction w/ it, jumps to conclusions, is not applying critical thinking, perhaps sees it as a threat. Yes, a threat to how they may want one to think.
Not to often, but once in a while, I hear a Treeper say “When is Sundance going to write something about this, tell us what is going on, what the deal is.” That’s not healthy in my opinion. Fortunately, it’s not a frequent statement.
I’m rambling… I apologize. But I feel I can speak my mind here. thank you Wolf Moon. Please understand I have not intended judgment toward CTH or Sundance… simply speaking my thoughts aloud. Quite open to those of others!
phoenix – is this appearing correctly now? The post went into moderation and I had to mess with it.
yes it is wolf moon… thank you so much for making the change for me!
It’s fascinating that the automatic moderation caught the problem. I have only theories as to why it did that. Just glad it worked. 😀
Phoenix, this entire post could have been written by me, even down to the time frame at CTH. I did defend Sessions on occasion and to this day will not badmouth him. I have said many times that I have/had full faith that there was a lot going on under the radar. It is simply inconceivable to me that with all the blatant, in-your-face cheating, fraud, abuse, etc., our VSGPDJT and company was not doing something about it. I have to believe this to be able to maintain my sanity.
Same here sallyal,
Have to believe to stay sane…
AND there’s one other factor that affirms the belief…
it’s what we know about POTUS… he’s very loyal, but if you cross him…
Deep State, Globalists, whatever one wants to call them…
they conspired to destroy him and his family, they spied on him, family and his campaign,
they have attempted to harm members of his family, etc.
He is not one to take that, forget or forgive it…
He is also passionate about our country.
I believe he has this…
YES. Very much so. I believe now the gloves come off.
Phoenix Rising, I don’t know if you’ve read the chilling testimony in this affidavit signed 11-3-2016 by Chelsey Smith who was an Employee of Broward County, FL Supervisor Of Elections. She witnessed 4-5 other employees in a room that could only be entered with an access code filling in bubbles on absentee ballots and she identified one person and gave very detailed description of her daily work routine and the day after she witnessed the voter fraud she was met when returning from her lunch break by a uniformed security guard who told her she had been terminated, forced her to turn over her credentials, told her never to return there and was never given a reason for her termination. It is an Affidavit of Witness To Voter Fraud 11-03-2016!
Now that government control has shifted, there will be prosecutions….
Thanks for your comment. I think that was probably the heart of the matter for me. Sundance’s comments didn’t match the available information. It was a jarring disconnect for me, especially because SD is pretty thorough and careful in his research. This just seemed like an emotional outburst. WTH?
I agree Sylvia with the “not matching available information” which demonstrated to me SD has not spent any time reading Q posts and QAnon comments which adds to the jarring disconnect for all of us who are accustomed to his record of diligent research to back up his opinions. And he even used a MSM article as his source that Q had been debunked.
This final statement was so far from any writings I remember from SD and my thoughts about Q and from reading QAnon posts I have not found any of them with this belief, “,,,and finally, NO, President Trump doesn’t go into some mysterious internet chat room to type up coded messages and instructions under the nom de plume “Q”. All of that is pure unmitigated nonsense, yet thousands, perhaps hundreds of thousands of people, actually believe it.” it sounded much like “talking points” that covered the gamut with an ending much akin to “There is no Santa Claus and you aren’t getting anything for Christmas so grow up and get over it….I’m in charge here!”
But you know I have another observation …absent that post by SD at CTH this space would not likely all of us here to learn from each other and I appreciate Wolfmoon1776 investing his time to make it available and all who contribute. It’s always nice to find new spaces with credible information.
Amen! And thank you Wolfmoon1776
Sylvia, you’ve summed up my own thoughts better than I could. There’s a few black hats I think aren’t really black hats at all but are weaving their way carefully through a maze of corruption. There is so much going on behind the scenes. Disinformation is necessary. So is undercover work. Half of this stuff we won’t be able to figure out until everything has happened and the story is fully told to whatever extent it can be.
A.D. I am so glad to see you here.
I’d sure like to know it all and know it now. I hate living under this constant tension. But you’re right, so much behind the scenes that we don’t know and couldn’t possibly guess at. When I think about all that has been revealed since PDJT tweeted about being wire tapped…. it really is mind blowing.
It’s great finding you here too. So many familiar names now joining us (and a lot of newbies) is wonderful to see.
This is the most amazing time to be alive. Like you I want to know it all. I certainly want to witness various stings take place. And the arrests. And the trials, you name it. In about 20 years there’s going to be some really powerful books come out when all the facts are known.
I love that we can witness what is happening as it unfolds now. And to think, so many people only know what CNN wants them to know. Now THAT’S scary!
AMEN! Scary. Fake News is scary, once you get away and see the trap!!!
Rules for Radicals…”Ridicule is man’s most potent weapon.”
I am Q agnostic and I don’t trust Sessions…however… I follow Q and support the most adherent Q believers.
Why ? Because Q believers support President Trump and are on Team MAGA.
I don’t care if Q is MI / ONI or a 400 lb. anon lying in bed.
Q provokes research of the uniparty , deep state , globalists et al.
Most importantly , Q is responsible for converting thousands of apoliticals to MAGA voters.
Ridiculing and disparaging President Trump voters is asinine !
The margins were very thin in FL ,AZ.. this last election , albeit mid-terms.
In 2016 the margins were thin in WI , MI and PA.
We need all the votes we can garner for 2020.
Would Saul Alinsky ridicule Q if he were alive ?
Would Saul Alinsky use the dehumanizing term QTARD ?
BOOM! 😉 Thank you for that!
Double BOOM!!
“Would Saul Alinsky ridicule Q if he were alive ?
Would Saul Alinsky use the dehumanizing term QTARD ?”
Speaking of Florida, I cannot believe they really voted to allow felons to vote. That sounds more like California or New York.
Exactly.
Similar sentiments here.
I’m also agnostic on Q and predictions coming the Q camp.
But I love the focus on reason and on each seeking our own information, and I love the optimism.
I was much less sanguine about the results of the election than other MAGA constitutionalists.
I spent many hours in the weeks leading to the election, and all election day, working hard to promote electoral integrity on my purple-now-trending-Dim home turf.
By about 9 AM Tuesday I had already figured out (from personal observation of lines outside polling places, and conversations with random voters) that the rabid Dim high command had indeed succeeded in its propaganda mission of actively engaging its low information auxiliary corps as flanking wings to its radical base forces.
Hence, I had a black premonition of what election night would bring, nationwide, and it was a very long day.
Post 11/6, all MAGA forces must stand united RIGHT NOW to prevent rabid Dim anti-integrity special teams from using election stealing to erase some of the few bright spots on Tuesday night’s map.
Really, whatever you can do to stop this atrocity, RIGHT NOW, can avert Orwellian slavery, or avert the coin toss of brother shooting brother in a American new civil war.
*coming from the Q camp
*a new American civil war
I, too, was disappointed in Sundance’s piece on Q in the Jeff Sessions post.
I never liked Q saying ‘Trust Sessions’, but, as Q says, disinfo is necessary, and unity is primary. Personally, I would have left out ‘Trust Sessions’, but Q has/have his/their reasons.
Like Sylvia, I wanted to add a Q comment on that thread but there was too much anti-Q venom from people who know next to nothing about Q, including our gracious host there, I might add.
Thank you for hosting this site, wolf — much appreciated.
Hi churchmouse! Great to see you here – sorry this had to sit in moderation.
Yes – I’m trying to process the difference between SD saying “trust Sessions” and Q saying it. There really shouldn’t be any difference – nor any difference from POTUS saying it. People – even the SOURCE – can change their minds. Or not tell us everything they know.
Facing the fallibility of Q makes us face the fallibility of the administration, in the face of its own imperfect knowledge of the future, or what the enemy will do to change our plans.
Exactly! Well said (as always).
These anti-Q people seem to confuse those making money off Q with Q himself. Yet, Q said to avoid sites asking for money to interpret his statements. It just shows that people criticising Q know nothing about him.
If Q weren’t over the target, he wouldn’t be condemned by so many, not only in MSM but also by Trump supporters.
I don’t know why people like Jack Posobiec are so up in arms about Q. Posobiec never really explained that satisfactorily enough for my liking. You’d think he’d be happy more voters were intrigued enough to find out more about the political world, especially as seen through the eyes of someone in Trump’s administration.
Keep up the good work. I’ll be back. (Have lurked until now.)
“confuse those making money off Q with Q himself”
Their theory is that the Q-team is taking kick-backs from those who monetize by interpreting Q. I was surprised, because this angle had never even occurred to me.
It’s a bogus angle, IMO, because (1) there isn’t any evidence; (2) Q has repeatedly asserted otherwise; and (3) it reeks of speculation borne of confirmation bias. They’re inventing a scenario to support their anti-Q position. They’re seeing ghosts!
Btw, I distrust Posobiac – isn’t he the guy who was on Infowars with AJ, then switched to OAN?
I put Cernovich (also promoted by AJ) in the same category, being more interested in career advancement than putting America FIRST.
Happy to see you here, churchmouse!
Posobiec couldn’t figure out a way to make money off of Qanon…so he declared it a ‘hoax’.
Jack wants people coming to him for information, so he doesn’t want them reading Q drops.
That’s really something though…he created a hoax, to declare someone else a hoax.
Heheh.
The Anons debunked his ‘proof’ in less than 24 hours.
Agree about Cerno…he keeps jumping off the Trump Train, then back on, then back off again.
Too much drama.
Those guys are really into the “see how many followers I have!” mentality.
Kind of a power-tripping thing I think.
Those two are interesting. That’s all I’m sayin’! 😉
Wheatie, a treeper was attempting to enlighten me (sigh) about how PDJT called Scott Adams and Posobiec to the WH to ask them to pass the word out around social media that there was no Q or Q is a fake. I asked for a link because I hadn’t heard anything like that, but I got nothing.
Have you heard that? Personally, it all seemed a little convoluted to me. If PDJT didn’t want us to follow Q, wouldn’t he just tweet us? Didn’t make sense, and I don’t personally follow either Adams or Posobiec so I have no idea what their Q quotients are anyway.
Haven’t heard anything about that.
Sounds like total bullsh-t to me, my friend.
Both Scott Adams and Posobiec have been trying to cash in on their ‘support’ for our President.
If this whopper started with them…then where is their proof that they were “called to the WH”?
Scott Adams did actually visit Pres Trump at the WH a few months ago.
He did a video about it afterward.
I watched it…and he specifically said that he was “Not going to talk about what he and Pres Trump talked about”.
I saw a tweet from Scott Adams lately, touting a recent video he’s made, slamming Q as a fake.
But I didn’t see anything mentioned about ‘Pres Trump asked me to spread the word’.
Posobiec did a piece on OANN a couple of months back, claiming that ‘Q was a hoax’ and interviewed a notorious internet trickster who claimed to be the “real Q”.
The Anons over at Qresearch debunked that in short order as complete BS…even showing how the trickster created a fake chatroom log to back up his false claim.
This is what gets me:
The Anons over at 8chan are the legendary ‘weaponized autists’ who are famous for their sleuthing skills.
They can smell a fake a mile away…and love a challenge or a puzzle to figure out.
And out of All The Places on the Internet…Q chose that one to post on.
If Q were a ‘fake’ those guys would have sniffed it out a long time ago!
Thanks Wheatie, I knew you’d have the low down. It sounded fake to me, and the new treeper clearly had an anti Q axe to grind.
And I take your point about the 8chan guys. I don’t know much about them but I do know they are shockingly good at digging into things.
Q is elegantly deniable. People need to understand what that means and how that works. It’s very professional. That, to some of us, is actually a give-away. But to most, it’s not. Again, very pro. 😉
First, I never heard that. Second, that is NOT what I believe Posobiec was/is doing. Posobiec is complicated – I’ll just leave that there. 😉
TY Wolfie.
Thank you, Emeraldstar! Glad to be here!
I’m supportive of Posobiec in that he was in Navy intelligence. Yes, his career trajectory did follow as you say. However, he did write Citizens for Trump and was active in the President’s 2016 campaign at a grassroots level.
I don’t mind Cernovich, and, somehow, he did manage to get a lot of WH contacts, considering he is an independent writer/film maker who lives in California. Cerno was always about his Gorilla Mindset. He wanted Trump to win and, sometime after that (when his WH sources had left), he had to go back to lifestyle commentary.
At least Cernovich was anti-McMaster! (So was I, from the start, so I appreciated what he had to say.)
Re AJ, the man has been through a lot since the Clintons. Oddly, what has been promoted as conspiracy theory regarding InfoWars has turned out, sadly, to be stark reality.
Back to Q, I wholeheartedly agree that what anti-Q’ers are purporting is, as you put it, ‘a bogus angle’. You nailed it on the head with ‘confirmation bias’.
In closing, I have been thinking a lot about the protest — and broken door — at Tucker Carlson’s house. I couldn’t think of a nicer man on television. I feel for his wife Susie at home, hiding in a pantry.
Interestingly, Tucker’s brother, who lives nearby, arrived around the same time that the police did.
As LEOs so often say (especially on Second City Cop), ‘When seconds count, the police are only minutes away’.
Sorry for rambling. The past few days politically in the US have been a bit of a head trip. And I don’t even live there.
Then there’s Jim Acosta. (Ugh. No comment.)
Great comments! Thanks for that!
Thank you for the warm welcome!
I’m glad to see you here Churchmouse. I’ve been thinking about Tucker Carlson’s wife a lot, too. She must have been terrified. I cannot even imagine. Things have gotten terribly frightening in the USA.
‘I’m glad to see you here Churchmouse.’ Thank you very much, Sylvia — greatly appreciated. 🙂
To think that Susie was getting ready to go out to dinner with friends and those demons messed up her evening.
I can’t begin to imagine what she has been going through, either. Prayers up.
Wolfie, I have been chewing on something you wrote on an earlier thread last month.
In your thread you were talking about Q as a military type psyops project. Your thoughts made a lot of sense to me. The purpose of Q is to try to encourage us, and get us to think for ourselves a bit and not just accept the media drivel, and to try to keep us together.
If those are Q’s goals, they are really laudable and worth being fed disinfo at times. I mean after all, we couldn’t really expect to be told everything.
Anyway, I can’t write Q off. Just can’t, even if I can’t quite believe in Santa Claus either. Your explanation makes the most sense to me. Thanks, Wolfie.
You’re welcome! You restated very nicely what my position on Q has been. Q is as much a psy-op as Benjamin Franklin’s publications and the pamphleteers were the psy-ops of their time!!! 😀
Your thoughts on Q really provided me a frame of reference for comprehending what Q is and what Q is up to. It made an awful lot of sense to me the way you explained it. Things just went click click click in my head after I reflected on your post. It just really fits, doesn’t it?
Especially coming from a military intelligence perspective. There’s a long history of operations like this. And good heavens why wouldn’t they use something like this on the US when anyone looking at the really big picture early on could see we are in deep trouble?
And finally, Q’s objective seems to be to keep us encouraged that our leadership is working on things and to try to unite us. These are good things, not bad.
Anyway, again, thanks for framing Q for me in a way that makes sense to me. Very useful!
Been back and forth about Sessions….. President Trump FIRES those detrimental to his plans. He did not FIRE Sessions. The resignation letter was not dated, so maybe in the drawer for the right time. Sessions removal could very well be an easy way out and back to the Sinate (sic). After collecting much info for the times to come. Put Whitaker in to clean up and finish off the Deep State Traitors. Just a thought. ps. Thanks again Wolfmoon1776 for another daily research facility.
I’m curious about Sessions too. Don’t know. He’s a very honest guy. I think Trump just took him out because the time to nuke Mueller with a real AG has arrived. I think nuking Mueller’s “Russian Hoax” is part of the plan, and always has been.
Another thought on this is that removing Sessions throws the Left into turmoil, which is exactly where you want the enemy to be when you hit them hard with something else. Keep the Dastards spinning wildly. Sounds like a plan, yes? 😉
Thanks, Wolfmoon1776 for this space to breathe! I have no memory of Sundance posting anything sounding so dictatorial as his disparaging comments about Q. He is definitely passionate about his view on Q but his comments did not demonstrate to me that he has spent much time actually reading the Q posts. I see Q reaching a different audience and inspiring people to get in touch with what they actually think by digging deeper and wider into their own research, breaking the stranglehold the MSM has on so many people who have come to allow them to dictate what they should think about everything. For some, it is easier than expanding out past what they hear on the “news” and listening to their own inner voice which brings up some great questions.
As for Sessions, I think it will be interesting to see what plays out with the foundation he has laid for a real Justice Department. I have a friend who has a friend whose husband is deeply into the higher realms of AL politics and has worked with and knows Sessions personally. From her comments, there will be many surprised in AL political circles if Sessions has not served his purpose well for the Trump Administration.
I hope informational, insightful references to Q posts will continue on CTH to allow more people to do their own research about it. In fact, I likely looked into Q because of a CTH comment posted some time back. Strangely enough, I have always seen a parallel between Q and CTH. Both are anonymous even though Q seems to me to be composed of likely around 10 people who are deeply connected to POTUS and the military plan developed long ago to retake our country back from those who have a globalist view of the world and when people get past trying to figure out identities to just focus on the information, the mission is accomplished and our knowledge base is expanded. At this point in time it seems Sundance is more focused on identities of Q than the message and I believe with more information, he will be inspired to shift his focus. After all, the obvious wall around his identity has remained intact through many contentious posts from people trying to break down the barrier. I believe that modus operandi is of value when it narrows the focus to information rather than personas.
I posted this video in response to Sundance 1st post citing some info gleaned from Bill Mitchell who is not and never has been a source of information for me. I was very surprised Sundance would give him the time of day but I digress. It seems Flynn could be speaking here of people (QAnons) inspired by Q posts.
Sorry it took a while to get to this – my mailbox is overflowing! Will read and respond this afternoon!!!
No worries…appreciate what you are doing by offering this space!
Thanks!!! 😀
Wow. Gen. Flynn absolutely nailed it. Of course, he surely understands the original intent of the internet, born out of a wonderful union of warriors and peacenik academic UNIX types back in the beginning of the digital age. They created an alternative to warfare – an N-dimensional explosion of free speech. The internet was a beautiful thing – like God – an idea so powerful it changes everything. It was the expansion of the universe. And it almost TEACHES us to respect Truth by its very nature, allowing both good and evil. And when journalists and government were corrupted by that evil, it fell upon the People themselves to correct their error, in a fashion very similar to the birth of the Internet, recapitulated. Old warriors and young idealists – joined by elders, workers, and the forgotten. The salvation was as beautiful as the birth. And the man who carried our banner was the 45th President of the United States, Donald J. Trump.
Yep. The internet…the monolith of 2001 fame.
http://www.wildsound-filmmaking-feedback-events.com/images/2001_monolith.jpg
😎
Oh, thanks for the pic Wolfmoon. That was an interesting movie. Interpretations ran quite the spectrum back then.
Yes! Loved that one AND 2010 (or whatever it was called!)
“He is definitely passionate about his view on Q but his comments did not demonstrate to me that he has spent much time actually reading the Q posts.”
Wow, Judy, you kind of nailed it for me. Sundance has been on a pedestal for me. Seeing how he treated the Q stuff has really been puzzling and disappointing to me, and it is because as you said he seemed to do so without any apparent thoughtful evaluation. It just seemed to come out of nowhere and with no reasoned explanation as to why. Kinda shocked me.
And that’s okay. It’s his site and his opinion, but I had thought better of him, that’s all.
I continue to believe that Mike Flynn is not done serving our nation.
AMEN to that! 😎
AFortia, double Amen regarding Gen. Flynn.
Heheh. Bring the pain.
Ruth Bader Ginsberg is in the hospital…and CNN still sucks:
And TRUMP IS STILL PRESIDENT!
Too funny not to share…
https://twitter.com/ReformedBroker/status/1060882574954835970
It is hilarious! But the comments – YIKES! Libtard TDS hatred!
I’m probably going to hell for laughing at this, but I can’t help it:
Well it’s cracking me up also.
I will save you a seat! LOL.
Was on cth earlier today.
Oberving from afar, this excerpt of lyrics came to mind written in ’63 (my phone not smart enough to post the track) :
Come writers and crituics.
Who prophesize with your pen, and keep your eyes open, the chance won’t come again.
And don’t speak too soon, for the wheels still in spin, and there’s no telling who that it’s naming.
For the loser now, will be later the win.
For the times they are a-changin’
Come Senators, Congressmen, please heed the call.
Don’t stand in the doorway, don’t block up the hall.
Come Mother’s and Father’s throughout the land, and don’t criticize what you can’t understand.
Your sons and your daughters are beyond your command.
Your old road is rapidly agin’
Please get out of the new one if you can’t lend a hand…. Dylan
Worldwide patriots unite.
Division does none of us any favours.
MAGA helps all the world.
God Bless
Apologies if this posted twice. Delete if possible WM
Don’t worry – just leave it! Two is better than one! 😀
When I see these music video references, I wish someone would make one of Styx’s Welcome to the Grand Illusion. Seems fitting to me about where we are.
LOL! Oh yeah!
Here you go!
Being of a certain age from a certain time, this is the tune that really comes back to me. At the time it was an “anti-war” deal, but if you listen very closely –in particular, to the opening lines– you just might get some chills … back to the future …
Was on cth earlier today.
Oberving from afar, this excerpt of lyrics came to mind written in ’63 (my phone not smart enough to post the track) :
Come writers and critics.
Who prophesize with your pen, and keep your eyes open, the chance won’t come again.
And don’t speak too soon, for the wheels still in spin, and there’s no telling who that it’s naming.
For the loser now, will be later the win.
For the times they are a-changin’
Come Senators, Congressmen, please heed the call.
Don’t stand in the doorway, don’t block up the hall.
Come Mother’s and Father’s throughout the land, and don’t criticize what you can’t understand.
Your sons and your daughters are beyond your command.
Your old road is rapidly agin’
Please get out of the new one if you can’t lend a hand…. Dylan
Worldwide patriots unite.
Division does none of us any favours.
MAGA helps all the world.
God Bless
I have to say I greatly appreciate the reasoned discussion here regarding team 17 information. W’s deeper dive of all things Q is so important. I learn so much from Wolf and other posters, the information has really widened my understanding. I am saddened by the atmosphere at CTH as I have learned so much from Sundance’s articles about MAGAconomics, the FISA situation, and Red Panda/Red Dragon, etc. Geopolitical tensions. So, I bounce to both places and avoid CTH comments after Sundance’s articles.
That’s a good idea – reading articles and avoiding comments. Sometimes that is probably the best option.
I’m learning which commenters on CTH Not to read, not that I only want to read those that agree with me, just do not like incivility or gloaters.
I’ve been scrolling past the Sessions bashing posts for months now, but it got to the point where over half of the comments were in that category, so I’ve been ignoring most of the comment sections these days.
I haven’t been over at CTH today either. kinda sad about the vitriol on the blog yesterday
It has been AWFUL the last couple of days.
Went over to CTH and read part of the presidential thread, as I always looked forward to doing, and it wasn’t fun and it wasn’t informative as it once was. So many of those I like have come over here, and I do not recognize most of the posters at CTH now. It is sad, but glad we have somewhere lik this. I am so sorry I promoted CTH on talk radio as much as I did. Can’t help wondering if I helped spread it to bad acters who should not be there, but I guess Sundance and other moderators set the tone and allow it to happen.
Don’t worry – CTH has been on evil radar for LONG before you arrived there. The current wedge was designed at very high levels, IMO, by Hillbots, KGB-CIA, and/or foreign operatives who watched for a division point.
Lol,
Wheatietoo, Thanks for the link. I am so glad Wolfmoon brought us here. I saw things changing on CTH and was missing you all.
Glad to have you here! 😀
The thoughtfulness and intelligence of the comments has always been a part of the draw for me on CTH. I almost never bother to read comments elsewhere because they tend to be stupid and mean, so when I started to read comments on CTH it was such a delight.
That delight has just about disappeared. Unrelenting negativity, accusations, mean spirited attacks. Yech. I’m hoping this is a hang over from the election and the new people drawn in because of that who apparently had no “fetching up” as my mom used to say. I’m hoping it will settle down.
I should imagine that after the Big Ugly, after the arrests and the clean-up, that many trolls will fade away. At least the paid ones will be as their masters will have run out of money or no longer be interested. I hope so anyway.
Have to add that I have learned a ton from Sundance and will always be grateful to him. And none of us is right about everything.
Sundance is allowed to have a bad day – or even a whole bunch of them! It’s not like we all agree about everything. I will always be a Treeper no matter what! 😀
So shall I.
Hello everyone. I am interested in the Q phenomenon. I remain undecided about its relevance and its implications. What was of interest, with respect to the Sundance article, was Sundance’s apparent outing of Q in the comments. Sundance posted a picture with three adults which I took to be his admission that one or all are Q. I have not heard anyone comment on this. It was my assumption that Q’s identity is voluntarily hidden. Can anyone set me straight on this?
Just found your comment in auto-moderation.
Hi! Glad to have you here!
Many people think they know who Q “is”. I keep the possibilities open for now. I have not seen anything that seems conclusive to me.
Sundance is free to think what he wants about Q. I think “he” and I agree on much, actually. There is a lot of junk attached to the Q movement. I scoff at much of it, and actually disprove or explain some of it. Many Q followers assume that if Q says nothing, what they think is good. Not so. Some ideas from the fans are hokey, IMO.
People are not being realistic about what Q is and isn’t, when trying to prove or disprove it. Overloading it with unrealistic expectations and disproving those is no better than what Snopes does, IMO.
Q does not harm valid investigative journalism and citizen journalism, IMO. That is one of the first reasons I think it’s “good”. And I don’t think that Q’s “trust Sessions” was any more of a disproof than Sundance’s “trust Sessions”. Everybody thought Sessions was on top of things back then. Time schooled us all.
Various people have claimed to have outed or identified Q. I don’t believe anybody yet. But others are free to believe it. We’re not the left. We can disagree! 😀
Spab, I think this is the image you mentioned. Ann Vandersteel is associated with Bill Mitchell and I have no idea from where she drug the other 2 who were purported Intelligence Community Whistleblowers. It was a video I came across and I didn’t know anything about her. I did see her association with Bill Mitchell who I have a low opinion of but I watched a bit of it, I guess just enough to determine it wasn’t worth my time. They may have been in the IC but shallow encapsulates my sense of what was offered there. This is a screenshot of the video and it really blew me away that SD would give this the time of day….he obviously gives Mitchell’s operation more credence that I do.
We may not hear anything from Q for a little while…he/they usually get quiet when Pres Trump is travelling outside the country.
POTUS is leaving tomorrow for Europe, for meetings this weekend and on Monday.
Not sure when he is getting back.
Looks like Rick Scott is fighting back against the vote fraud that is going on down in FL.
Good!
Don’t let the D-rats get away with it, Gov Scott.
Here’s a pretty good article about the shooting in CA…I know, it’s the Daily Mail, but they somehow manage to dig out details that others don’t:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6366501/Gunman-shoots-dozens-victims-including-police-officer-opens-fire-California-bar.html
Thanks. Will investigate! (in the words of Drudge…) 😎
Drudge!… there’s another one that gets set up for attacks for no other reason than they want a piece of his audience.
Poor Drudge. Lefty boyfriend. He’s so owned.
“He’s so owned” AND it’s so obvious how that site has changed! Before the change I made it a practice to check out his website before I walked out every morning….that stemmed from 9/11 when I knew nothing about the WTC until l got to work as I’ve never been much on MSM or TV but I decided it would be a good idea to at least have an idea of what was happening before I stepped out into it…..I scan other trusted sites now for an overview/headlines….
thelibertydaily.com is a bit like the old Drudge on steroids – I should go there more often, actually!
Thanks, I’ll check it out.
Yup. This is exactly what I thought. The guy did thousands of dollars of damage to his mother’s home – she was terrified of him – the APRIL incident with all the neighborhood witnesses was the GOLDEN opportunity to intervene – where he was crying out for help by his actions – and they WOULD not (maybe even COULD not – supposedly) commit him or even bring him in for involuntary exam. They even SENT mental health people to his place who said they could not bring him in involuntarily. As I called it, “inappropriate inaction”.
Either voluntary, involuntary, or best of all “you go in voluntarily or we will go involuntary on you” commitment was needed here. It did NOT happen.
California. Socialism. A mental health system which fails by its own growing persistence, its own growing failure, and its own desire for survival.
This is a little detail that makes you go…Hmm:
Adam Housley was the Fox reporter who was first on the scene at the Vegas massacre.
This was because he just happened to be in LV for something else.
I was up that night, monitoring twitter and news, as the coverage started on the shooting.
Adam Housley was running around with a cameraman & microphone, interviewing people running out from concert grounds.
He interviewed a couple of different groups that said they “saw multiple shooters” firing from different directions.
Housley mysteriously left Fox News not long after that.
I follow his twitter feed…and he’s a good guy.
He’s growing grapes now, I think.
Some time back, I noticed someone asked about the Vegas shooting and he just said “I can’t talk about it”.
The person replied back, something like “Understand, man, it must’ve been awful.”
Well Adam Housley’s niece was one of the victims in this new shooting in CA.
What a coincidence, huh?
Housley’s niece.
Can’t help but wonder about that “I can’t talk about it” that Housley said.
Maybe he wasn’t referring to the ’emotional aspect’ of it…but that he can’t talk about it, because he is forbidden to.
Was this a warning?
I dunno. Maybe I’m reaching.
But with all the other stuff going on…I can’t help but wonder.
Definitely something that makes you go “hmmm.” I really don’t believe that all the supposed coincidences we see in these shootings are really coincidence. They’re almost a footprint of false flags. Almost like they want us to know.
I agree. They try to shut people up – I know that. There is extreme control of information. But WHAT in the F is going on?
I took part in the Vegas analysis, and I have NEVER seen so much professional opposition to the research. The DESPERATION to cover up the second gun. The CONTROL of the message from LE.
Q was a direct military response to Vegas. It was a way to fight the propaganda from these events. It’s a very smart thing.
I believe that LV was a mix of real and fake – a propaganda event. But WHY? What is going on?
I feel like the left has just become completely dishonest, and WELCOMES mass killings, and will KEEP KILLING until they get the guns.
Wolf, I did not spend much time on the Vegas massacre. Since there is some speculation about multiple shooters, have the ballistic results been made public? That would tend to support one argument over others. Then again was there any report that the single shooter had more than one weapon in his room. That would make the ballistic report ambivalent about one or more shooters.
Very little can be trusted from the authorities, so I would not trust a ballistics report. I have relied mostly on the public videos and audio analysis of them by others who I trust. Those cannot be fudged or denied.
I did read all the autopsies, and they are consistent with both single-shooter and two-shooter, IMO, plus one odd bullet that appears to have come from a handgun. THAT is an outlier – possibly friendly fire or something else. The authorities did NOT provide as much information as would be needed to rule out either single or multiple shooter, but I personally think they fit two-shooter better, for reasons I will not reveal.
I strongly back Health_Ranger’s analysis of the audio. His results are FURTHER consistent with three things that clinch two-shooter for me: (1) video of low rooftop movement, (2) certain video/audio that MATCHES the rooftop movement as the second shooter, which I will not point out, to prevent scrubbing, and (3) autopsy results which plausibly are explained by that idea, again, which I will not describe.
All of this said, there was extreme media disinformation about the Las Vegas event (again, I will not reveal what I discovered was fake), showing that there was REAL KILLING but FAKE NEWS about the shooting, designed to maximize political leverage. These are communist Potemkin events. Real bodies are part of the STAGING – they are PROPS for the Potemkin framing.
They are USING OUR OWN DEAD BODIES as props to control us. It is extremely evil.
(This is for Wolfmoon)
Maybe it’s time to extend the post / reply / sub-reply maximum to 10, rather than just 7? There seems to be room (on my computer screen anyway! YMMV …)
This (your) blog is gittin’ right popular!
Good job, congrats – and cheers!
This reply to a comment that wasn’t addressed to me, but I did not know there was a limit to replies or sub-replies. Not sure this comment is going where it was meant to go.
No problem – see my comment just made on the issue. Just use the last available reply button and mention the poster to whom the reply is addressed, or quote a line from the comment you are replying to. That should be good enough for all of us.
LOL! Thanks for the congrats!!! 😀
We tried 10 replies, but it was horrible. There is room, but by 10 it sometimes goes to ONE LETTER WIDE – absolutely unreadable.
I am suggesting to people to reply to the last reply-capable comment in the thread (7 deep) and just quote the first line of the comment you’re responding to, or (better) simply cite that poster’s name. That will keep the comments sufficiently wide, IMO! And everybody else will just get used to the fact that they will sometimes get replies to other people in their notifications. That is where citing the poster’s name helps a LOT. You can quickly ignore in the notifications.
Thank you for the help and explanation, Wolfmoon. Using a speech program for the blind, things are so much different as cannot “see” the posts as you all do. This all fascinates me.
OK – this makes sense. Basically you will see the conversations flatten against whatever limit in a different way than we do. A limit of ten is algorithmically clear to you, but not to us, because it’s not VISUALLY clear to us. In essence, WE are more blind than you are because of graphical limitations and OUR visual limitations in the 7-10 reply region. In that region, my replies will be more clear to you, because I respond using notifications of ALL people’s posts, and thus I can see the threads that 2-person conversations make logical beyond the reply limit due to notifications, which are forced down to 2 people beyond whatever limit of replies exists. Thus MY replies are connected and logical, and YOU would see this, which is not visible graphically.
Confusing, but it makes sense to me, having designed software. I suspect you can perceive connectedness of replies better than we can, through your software, as opposed to our estimations from graphics and context.
Something is very weird about that. Very weird.
Relating to your comment about your research into LV – may I ask why won’t you reveal the info you have? Just curious…..”(again, I will not reveal what I discovered was fake).”
“Borderline Bar and Grill in California had become a safe haven for dozens of survivors of last year’s massacre at a Las Vegas country music festival, a place where they gathered for line dancing and drinks.“
https://www.foxnews.com/us/some-survived-shootings-in-vegas-california-bar-except-1
Yep. I saw something about that over on the Qresearch board this morning.
Something like 50 or so Vegas survivors get together at that bar, from time to time.
A lot of coincidences in this thing.
THAT makes sense. You don’t send a message to Adam Housley. You send a message to all the survivors and witnesses. “STOP. Stop trying to put it together.”
I wonder if Housley’s niece was one of the survivors?
Haven’t heard yet, one way or the other.
Here’s his twitter feed:
Tweets by adamhousley
Wow – heartbreaking.
OK. Now it makes sense.
Yep.
It Is heart-breaking.
Oh wheatie. It does make you wonder. I didn’t know that Adam Housely had left FOX, but I do recall him in LV and I heard that his niece was a victim. That is just a bit on the freaky side. So much has happened that has shaken the foundation of what I believe is possible in this country these days that when things like this, which could be a strange coincidence, occur I stop and wonder long and hard.
Wheatie, I read a comment on CTH earlier today about Zinke may be looking into a job with FOX–that some kind of kerfuffle is being attempted regarding land he owns and public land use or something. One of those deals like they did with Pruitt and have tried with Wilbur. You know anything about it?
Ugh…no, I hadn’t heard about that yet.
Heavens, I hope that’s not true!
All of our good guys are under attack.
Makes me sick.
The CTH comment section has changed so much that I haven’t been spending much time there.
There are people who are trying to demoralize us and divide us…and some of them have embedded themselves there.
SD hasn’t helped much either, and seems to be demoralized himself, if you read his tweets.
So I don’t need that sort of depressing stuff in my life…but I will peek in from time to time, to see how it’s going.
I hadn’t been spending much time in the comments, either, over the last few months first due to some DIY projects keeping me really busy and then when I started to pop back in I was taken aback by some of the commenters. Most depressing was SD’s demoralized tone as you say. Wow.
So yeah, a little of that goes a long way. I’m capable of getting quite depressed all on my own I don’t need help! The comments this week have been pretty awful, and yes they have been trying to demoralize and divide us.
I’m hoping this will back off and that this is an after effect of the election. We’ll see.
I didn’t see any link to the Zinke info, so I’m hoping that is fake news or else exaggerated. I think he has been pretty effective in his job and it would make me really sad if he left because of pressure.
Having said that, I know a lot of Cabinet positions change at two years because people get kind of burned out, but Department of Interior has never been one of those high profile type jobs. Still, in the Age of Trump when everyone is a target that could have changed.
Anyway, glad to see you here Wheatie. I always like to read your posts.
Just want to say hello to Sylvia and also to Church Mouse, so glad you are both here.
Thanks Zoe! Awfully glad to be here.
Okay, I did some searching on that land kerfuffle concerning Zinke.
There are stories by all the usual suspects…WaPo, Politico, Slate, HuffPo, CNN…and they are all making exaggerated claims, based on ‘unnamed sources’ and saying there “could be a problem”.
The IG for the Interior Dept has looked into these claims and ‘supposedly’ referred something to the DOJ to review for a ‘possible’ criminal investigation.
Looks like leftist bullsh-t to me.
Zinke has said that he hasn’t been contacted by any federal investigators.
Basically they’re trying to smear him with accusations of “possibly using his office for personal gain”.
Key word there is “possibly”.
Well, that’s interesting. Thanks Wheatie. No more substantive than what they tried to get going against Wilbur, IMO. Just noise. Zinke is still a white hat, and he sure looks fine on a horse. And I still love Wilbur. So screw the leftoids.
Praying for new wildfire victims.
https://www.sacbee.com/news/state/california/fires/article221349345.html
Sure wish VSGPDJT was still going to have his military parade on Monday. I had planned to attend.
Yes, that parade would’ve been wonderful, wouldn’t it.
I think they decided against it because of the close proximity to the midterm elections.
Or that was the story, as I recall.
But as it turns out, with what’s going on down on our border…it’s probably a good thing that we aren’t expending money and tying up resources on a parade right now.
Maybe next year.
The parade was ixnayed due to the cost. Yuge.
Good night folks. Just had me twofingers of Gentleman Jack. Tomorrow we will experience apricity although it is not yet really winter. It feels like political winter tonight, but PT will tweet, then – voila!
“Apricity” – what a great word! 😀
Me thinks this applies to us here!!! 😉
LOL!!! 😀
Carpe Donktum has done it again…this is brilliant:
Hilarious!!! 😀 #OrangeManBad
This quote is from one of the Anons on 8chan, posted on Wed. I hope it helps!
THIS MOVIE IS EPIC
/ourguys/ used the House as bait!
They opened up the House Judiciary and House Oversight positions, Trey & Bob, happily gave it up.
Ds had no weapons, we gave them a pea shooter while we secured the MAGA bomb of all bombs, the Senate.
Then we just dropped it on them when Sessions left so acting AG can shut down Mueller after DECLAS.
POTUS at presser, spoke of these positions, targeting the Senate & cycling out old posts.
Just like Q said!
I like the way he thinks, However I kinda wish PT was fighting for AZ, even though I’m not really sure McSally is totally MAGA.
McSally has to be better than that Democrat WTF who looks like she walked out of a 90’s music video. She’s interesting, but we don’t need that kind of interesting running our country anymore!
I agree. Rush was saying ssomething to the effect that AZ is lost. Got interrupted, so I didn’t hear all he said.
Considering the vote counting in AZ is being overseen by a radical Bernie supporter…….yep, I would say AZ is lost.
https://www.breitbart.com/midterm-election/2018/11/09/bernie-sanders-supporter-adrian-fontes-overseeing-arizona-vote-record-as-senate-race-flips/
Sad. Wonder if anything good will come of it. Long shot.
A three stoges cartoonish version of the Acoster…
https://twitter.com/i/status/1060882574954835970
Wolf has warned to skip reading the TDS in the comments on this tweet.
Now that’s funny!
I’ve been away from my computer for over a week. Now I’m binge reading on twitter. Sigh. Sure is some good stuff out there. And encouraging news too.
Overnight on the CTH Daily Presidential thread, someone commented about Treeper cripto taking over the “beat” that A2 used to handle, reporting in from China. Cripto said something like well thanks big shoes to fill blah blah blah and A2 is still kind of mad about what happened.
I had noticed A2 wasn’t posting and that cripto was posting at about the same time A2 used to and about China/Asian stuff. So I asked cripto what happened. If anyone else noticed and wondered, here is what cripto replied to me:
“A2 posted a very civil argument about AG Sessions at the time.Just a “my opinion” post. Two treepers, who are still posting all over the board, Rumpole2, and resmith1776, attacked him with ad homonym attacks. They have previously viciously attacked anyone who even said one word that could be construed as support of the now former AG. When A2 tried to post an update on NK, he found himself in moderation. Wheatietoo saw it and commented, and AdRem said , I am trying to keep the Hatfields and McCoys separate. BS, it was those two posters who continued attacking A2, as he tried to civilly respond to their very nasty comments. He didn’t start it, but tried to defend why it was his opinion. After being put in moderation (the attackers were not as far as I can see), he was mightily pissed off. For A2, posting from China at great risk, he was appalled to find that he was being censored in the US. So there is that.”
Sylvia, that is sad about sensoring of a2 and so ironic. I keep mulling and debating with myself all the nations and other entities that would benefit from undermining cth and how they might do it.
I remember the exchanges… as you relate here. Thought most unfair.
Oh, you’re here too? Glad to see you PR.
I was sorry to hear about it. I don’t know squat really about Asia, and I didn’t always like everything A2 posted, but it was a unique point of view and different info than what I normally saw. For me, it is important and useful to get exposure to different ideas.
I was just sad and sorry that it was another Jeff Sessions casualty. So many have dropped along the wayside over Jeff Sessions. It is truly insane how he became such a lightning rod on CTH.
I saw the exchanges that night and it sure looked pretty crazy. Sorry for those that took the brunt of the blow-up. I think my timing saved me from the same fate. I loaded the thread just as Ad Rem started busting heads.
Glad I missed it. And just sick and sorry it happened.
And you know, I keep thinking about Wolfmoon’s comments about infiltration by foreign interests who want to divide us and I can’t help thinking about the Sessions brouhaha that just seemed so crazed to me.
I know a lot of us had strong opinions about Sessions but it really went over the edge almost like a religious cult or something. A fever dream. A sickness. I’ve never seen anything like it.
That’s about the time I started just posting strings of “sssssssssssssssss” whenever anyone posted ugly Wormtongue attacks against people that are Patriots serving the MAGA cause at great cost to themselves.
But the posts after election night have truly outed some of the worst offenders. Did you see oldschool posting a major rant against our President? Unbelievable. Now Rumpole is beating the drum against Trey Gowdy. And it makes me wonder. A recent prophetic word on ElijahList (Oct 4) by Curt Landry stated that now is the time God is putting him into place for God’s purposes. So of course the attacks are renewed against him.
I usually avoid oldschool and Rumpole’s comments so no, I haven’t seen this. But my reason for skipping over them leads me to not being surprised.
I think there are people who have been posting for quite some time, embedded in the Treehouse you could say, who possibly have an agenda.
Old school had always been more subtle in his attacks on JS until recently. I wasn’t sure what to make of him for a while.
Absolutely toxic. Some make nice posts from time to time but then right back to spreading dark and biting thoughts.
1776 just made a bootlicking, ingratiating overature to SD on the new thread in the same post that he said that the Session people….ah heck, here it is:
Saw that and also saw Curry is holding ground for considering “breadcrumbs.” Wild ride.
In the snorkle thread:
Sundance, your batting average has been overall phenomenal. AND you knww when to give up on the rare mistake, or mistaken apprehension, unlike the David *Q*UORESH (sic) cult.
Even when I disagreed with you I respected your honesty and acumen greatly.
Do not let yourself taken down psychologically by the disgruntled “Sissies for Sessions” fanclub.
Until proof to the contrary would be provided . . . I am very interested AND quite trusting in what you say here.
Godspeed to the forces of good! While you made a few mistakes (fewer than ANY of your critics including me), in this context and with so much at stake I tend to trust your positive news and hunches.
Thank you for the hope.
He’s using manupilation at SD, but I believe SD is too intelligent to fall for it.
Right here is power of suggestion, where no one was badgering SD.
“Do not let yourself taken down psychologically by the disgruntled “Sissies for Sessions” fanclub.
Yeah, that guy is never coming here. He used to be pretty friendly towards me, but he’s not bringing that stuff here.
He sounds like HAL 9000 when it saw it was going to be disconnected
The poster you reference – o**s***** – is female (I think; she said it, though).
And yes, she’s a constant eeyore.
I remember seeing, on Patriots Soapbox, a page from a “handbook” of sorts; I don’t remember the exact source, but it may have been an internal doc from Sh***Bl** (substitute aye-are-eee and you-eee).
It listed about five poster / persona tactics to use for the infiltration of sites using comments – they ranged from instant posters, to deeply-embedded posters … and the page also listed the percentages of each category of agitators to be used. A layered approach, calculated and redundant.
It was a handbook on how to destroy opposing sites / blogs. Straight out of the Alinsky playbook, and designed wholly for destruction.
Poster P***R**** worked in tandem with her, like a WWE tag-team. Given PR’s impressive command of language, I surmised he was highly intelligent. Also – like a poker “tell” – he was quite arrogant … but subtlety so.
Any reply posts which disparaged their tone were met with retorts defending their free speech, and their right to exercise it. “Why are you attacking me personally?”, and variations of this, were standard fare. Saw it at LEAST a dozen times, likely a few dozen.
I don’t know whether they were planted, or just gloom-and-doom posters. I suspect the former. It was just too consistent (unrelenting, even), and without any sign / admission of doubt. Ideologue behavior, IMO.
So, it doesn’t matter whether they were plants or not – they MIGHT AS WELL have been plants, for the demoralizing effects they engendered.
Thanks for that info. They wouldn’t be effective if administration didn’t give them advantage by sullying free thinkers on the subject at hand. I and I imagine others would have not been handicapped by concern of being banned or suspended from posting.
Sylvia, I agree, I don’t know why all the vitriol and insolts and personal attacks. Foreign actors, domestic actors–who had a motive for destroying CTH. More was going on that met the eye, I think. Tried to post greetings to Sylvia, Chruch Mouse and also include ThinkThinkThink. All those I like to follow are coming to WolfMoon1776. I also said in my other comment that I regret having promoted CTH on talk radio Etc. as it might have alerted people we didn’t need there, though of course people knew about it from Twitter and elsewhere. Still, I won’t make that mistake again.
It is a delight to come here and find CTH posters and be able to have a bit more honest conversations than has been possible at the Treehouse.
I’m sure a lot of the new names with nasty posts will go away shortly. They usually do. So I wouldn’t feel too bad about spreading the word about CTH. Sundance’s articles are usually first rate and the more that info gets out the better.
There’s just been something really off about a few things lately, so I’ll try to tread cautiously.
Yes, thank you, Sylvia, I think your advice about Treehouse is good, and as for people like Gorka, who I usually respect, Don’t know why they do that.
Zoe, the good thing is you don’t need to know why they do that. Just be happy you are aware! Everyone isn’t.
If SD and Ad Rem weren’t so dead set against JS & Q, so as to intimidate us about getting suspended, I almost think we should also keep posting there to try to save CTH and inform innocent posters. Last night I sure was in no mood to go back into the den of wolves.
I’m letting it cool off. I’m still posting there. I just give the trouble the cold shoulder. See where things go.
I pretty much don’t even read Rumpole and some of those, I just hop over them, no point having my blood pressure shoot up. It’s just not as much fun anymore. Besides, I ran out of popcorn a day or so ago.
I posted a tad today, but totally innocuous posts – I think.
I think the same, PlainJane. I do think we need to keep a presence there and help warn people as we can. I’m not as good at it as some of you, partly because I cannot post links to back up what I say. But we shouldn’t just give up on all the treepers.
🙂 Yes. It seems though that many there don’t even scan or read the links anymore, they just blow out whatever comes to their heads.
Amen to that.
I long for the days when G.Combs posted those long posts and I learned so much. Then I guess she and others were told they were too long, but I liked them because I didn’t have to leave CTH to read an article, I could just Learn, and it was amazing. The same people who complained would post those long twitter posts which I had trouble scrolling past in a hurry, and they never complained (neither did I) because if that’s what people want, I will deal with it on my own. Wish gcombs would come over to this blog.
Yup. I think of this place as a refuge within the refuge.
Yes, perfect! And thanks for creating it!
I was there lurking and posting a little when that happened.
It was similar to a dustup I had had with Rmpole about six weeks before that…and a dustup I had had with him even further back.
AdRm always takes Rmpole’s side, he’s her pet.
Rmpole can get away with anything…call people names, flame them, make false statements about them…you name it, Rmpole has done it.
And he always gets away with it.
Rmpole is in New Zealand.
He has stated this a long time ago.
One time, after he posted something snarky about Pres Trump, I asked him if he is “still in NZ?”…and why he was so obsessed with our country’s politics.
He went nuts, called me names…and accused me of ‘doxing’ him.
Like I said, Rmpole himself has said he is in NZ; it is common knowledge to anyone who has been visiting the CTH for years.
AdRm intervened and chastised Me…when all I had done was politely ask a question.
The rules don’t apply to Rmpole.
He always gets favorable treatment.
When AdRm chastised everyone for posting videos that have Nothing To Do with the Presidential Thread Topic…Rmpole kept doing it and still does.
When Rmpole attacked A2, A2 was polite at first…it only escalated because Rmpole immediately went to name-calling.
AdRm swooped in to defend her pet, and chastised A2.
Then AdRm deleted the whole exchange…because it clearly showed what happened and made Rmpole look bad.
A2 made another post about something else.
I replied to him…and told him I had seen what went on, and I thought he had done nothing wrong.
AdRm chastised Me for posting that.
You cannot expect to be treated fairly on the CTH.
People can attack others and get away with it…if AdRm likes them or agrees with their point of view.
Regarding A2…
I think that Cripto *is* A2, but he is probably using a router to disguise his IP address.
The posting style is identical and the ‘voice’ is the same.
Cripto went after Rmpole soon after he started posting as ‘Cripto’…calling him a “numpty” and other things.
But it was during that time when AdRm was on vacation.
So Rmpole backed off, submissively, because ‘mom’ wasn’t around to protect him.
It was funny.
In spite of this nastiness and unfair favoritism…I continued to frequent the CTH because I love so many of the posters there.
It’s been a great place to hang out, because of Them.
But this recent thing with SD slamming Q, has changed the atmosphere there even worse.
I haven’t visited the place today…and feel much better for it…even though I am kinda curious to check in and see how it’s going.
It is just such a crying shame.
Trump supporters do not need to be divided and the CTH used to be a refuge for us…for ALL of us.
Very interesting. Thanks for that info.
Wheatie, thanks for sharing the background about Rmpole. You are such a keen observer nothing gets past you. I knew he was foreign but I thought he was from the UK. Part of it is language, and part of it is just a stylistic thing, but I hadn’t seen him say he was from NZ. He sure takes a keen interest in our affairs, doesn’t he? I find that a bit odd for an NZlander.
I began steering clear of Rmpole months and months ago, and I don’t recall why exactly other than I didn’t like his style and it had occurred to me to wonder if he was some kind of an agent provocateur, troll, spy, shill, something and I thought the less I had to do with that the better.
Too bad about AdRm and her thing with Rmple. Totally didn’t notice that. And I am very unhappy that she took his part and not yours. That shows a profound lack of judgment.
Checking out of CTH is not a bad thing. A break can help. I felt better after moving back to lurking for the most part and then eventually not reading comments, although for the most part it was because I was too busy rather than an outright decision.
But here in the midterm run up I had to know what was going on so I jumped back in, but the last couple of days everyone has been on suicide watch or something. Just awful.
And SD’s position on Q has really brought out the jackals. A couple of Treepers (new people whose names I don’t recall) were really badmouthing flep. How DARE he provide them with false hope? I was frankly horrified.
BTW, I too had wondered if cripto was A2 reborn. Heh.
Well, I will walk carefully when I’m over at the Treehouse. I’d been hopeful things would calm down but the hysteria over Florida and AZ has really amped things up. Please understand, I am unhappy AF about FL and AZ, too, but I keep looking for facts and hard info and not a lot of ridiculous and pointless “nothing will ever be done about it” stuff. I understand those feelings totally, but all it does is inflame people. 🙁
I think A2 is a brit, who is also a US citizen, but has been living/working in China for quite a while.
He is fluent in Mandarin and other Chinese dialects.
Interesting guy…very intelligent.
That has been my impression of A2 also. And his perspective is different because he has been living over there so long and he looks at a bit more global (I hate to even use that word anymore) view because of his background.
Wheatie, maybe I’m wrong, but didn’t ad rm say she was a lurking lawyer? Now have to wonder about her possible agenda as well as Rumpole’s. I mean, maybe it’s just some sort of partiality, but it seems odd to jump on you for nothing like that.
I remember AdRm saying that…but I thought she was joking.
Haven’t seen her making any comments giving legal opinions on things, and there have been posters who have asked for legal clarifications on things, numerous times.
Maybe she Was joking, not certain. Maybe she has a legal background but hasn’t passed the bar or something. Don’t know.
Wheatie that is so interesting. I did not know most of that or what went on, but I never engaged with Rumpole as I knew there was no point, we almost never agreed. Rarely addressed OldsSchool, either. Interesting about a and crypto being the same person, and so sorry you were slammed just for defending civility.
Thanks, Zoe…you’re a peach.
And yeah, ‘oldschool’ is one of those who is there to demoralize Trump supporters and spread despair.
She is embedded like a tick.
She will make a few ‘nice’ posts for a while to establish credibility as a Trump supporter…and then will get back to her mission of sewing despair.
There are a couple of other posters who have ‘Oldschool’ in their monikers…and they are nice…but don’t post very often.
Thank you, Wheatie. I really appreciate your wise observations and advice.
That moniker was chosen for exactly that reason. Resemblance to the trusted. PROFESSIONAL. Nation-state, too. 😉
Yes, exactly. Just what I have thought too.
Interesting.
Sylvia, thank you so very much for this post. Sad. I toofelt Iwas close to prosecution by CTH after I replied tothe attack by resmith1776. I think rumpole2 was also in the mix, but not sure. All I know is that I was po’d and wondered why he attacked me. Wish A2 would show over here.
Ouch, I’m so sorry to hear that Plain Jane. I just know that everyone I see over here from CTH makes me happy. I haven’t been scorched too badly over there recently, but I have been trying to steer clear of people I know are trouble.
But it is hard when you see someone get attacked. I was aghast earlier this week when someone, a newbie, asked a kind of dumb question about some aspect of civics and another newbie just let her have it. It was so ugly and uncalled for.
There is someone over there posting under MrSpock that is working hard to stir up hate and discontent, it seems to me.
Yes. I saw your final point.
I saw that hit on the newbie. Wanted to speak, but didn’t linger long enough to think what to say. I think someone downpost spoke up for the newbie.
Oh good.
There are people like that who attack innocent people who just pose a question or are unaware of a rule, and I think it very rude. Deb attacked me for making a pronouncement or expressing an opinion, can’t remember about what, and said there was a rule about backing it up with proof, which would have involved posting a link to an article, and I explained I could not and why. She was sniping at others, too, and then she seemed to quit doing it after a time. I made a point of saying when I liked what she posted.
It isn’t always easy to communicate online like this and be fully understood, and misunderstandings can happen easily. I try to give an extra edge for that, you know? But there are others who really enjoy being hall monitor or something. LOL I guess it takes all kinds!
I think Deb is OK.
But she surely is hot-headed, though, and posts in anger quite a bit. She sounds rather young, to me. I just let it slide off!
I never got the impression that she was anything but a real, individual human being.
No one is perfect! And we all have our faults.
BTW, have you looked into the YouTube site called “Patriots Soapbox”? I’m not affiliated in ANY way, but it’s a 24/7 live stream, and hosted by shifts of volunteers, and usually goes over many of the pertinent-to-patriots news articles every day.
The main draw, for you (possibly – I hope), is that they are LIVE, and read through these article both via video AND AUDIO!!!
For those with visual impairment, it’s a great way to listen to the articles, as they’re read, without a computer-style voice doing it. I think you may like it!
YouTube tries to hide them, btw. What I’ve done is to search in the Youtube search bar for the following items, all included in the search (I’ll be explicit, to help you find it by your software!)
There are three elements to the search.
First, the phrase “we the people” (delete the spaces between words, and don’t worry about capitals or lower case).
Then, the phrase “Patriots Soapbox”, this time WITH a space in-between the two words.
Last, the phrase “live stream”, again with a space in-between the two words.
When one strings all three of these phrases together – with a space in-between each of the phrases – what comes up for me – the first, and top-of-the-list, “hit” from the search – is the link to the site itself.
I don’t know how your software works, but I hope that you can get there, and bookmark it for future convenience.
Sometimes, I go there, then I open an additional “tab” / window, so that the audio plays in the background, while I look to other sites for reading. It’s being on TWO sites at once – one primary, the other secondary.
If I’ve missed anything, instruction-wise, please let me know! So far as I can tell, it’s one of the only sites that is pro-MAGA, pro-Q, and 24/7 pro-audio.
I hope this helps, and that my instructions allow you to get there (and bookmark, if you wish).
Cheers!
EaldStar, I will check out Patriot Soapbox, ry kind of you.Also, sure you are right about Deb. I thoughmight be older, but must add that hall monor Did occur te, also.
Very welcome!
No need to post there, btw – one can just listen, to real people, in real time.
I thought it would be just right for you …
MAGA!
So back to Q. Today Sebastian Gorka tweets:
“I hope all of the doubters finally understand what I have been saying for a long time now: Q is GARBAGE. Do not allow yourself to be fooled again. Stick to people who don’t hide and who have demonstrated their reliability. K.A.G.”
I like Gorka. But WTH? Why do people keep coming out with these pronouncements without even any analysis as to what they are basing their opinion on? Grrr…. I have to ask myself what is Seb Gorka’s agenda here? I don’t know, but now I’m annoyed with him.
I saw that yesterday.
Gorka is using Q to ‘virtue signal’…that he is “not one of those conspiracy theorists”.
As we know, the Enemedia descended on Qanon when so many people started wearing Q-shirts and holding up Q-signs at the rallies.
They noticed that PDJT had pointed to them…more than once…and gave the thumbs up to them.
The Enemedia has proclaimed that Q movement is a “conspiracy theory”.
Why?
Because Q dares to tell the truth about big name pedos and the Dem corruption within our govt.
What’s funny is, SD has criticized Gorka in the past…starting when Gorka broke with MAGA people who were boycotting the NFL over the ‘kneeling’, buy tweeting out a pic of himself in a skybox watching a game.
So now our SD has aligned himself with Gorka, the Enemedia and the other Q-haters, who are trying to squelch the truth.
Something is just really off about all of this. I think you are right about Seb virtue signalling “I’m not part of the cuckoo crowd.” It has occurred to me to wonder if that is what SD is doing, too? Trying to distance himself from conspiracy theorists or something? I don’t know.
I keep coming back to my perception is SD’s attitude is a sudden and certain denunciation but without his characteristic analysis as to why. It’s like “Orange Man Bad.” Oh. Okay. Only in this case it’s “Q Bad.”
Fabulous! And I like my steak medium rare. Just because. I’m right. You’re not. So shut up. I need to shut up. I guess I’m just disillusioned is all.
“It has occurred to me to wonder if that is what SD is doing, too? ”
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Maybe. But why go so far with it?
Why the elaborate condemnation…even to the point of belittling the Q-peeps.
That wasn’t necessary.
He could’ve distanced himself to the Q movement simply by saying something like:
“I don’t know what to make of it.”
Or:
“I haven’t been following all that.”
He went much farther than just ‘virtue signaling’, he went nuclear…even to the point of posting that screencap of who he declares is Q.
Which was ridiculous, imo.
Bottom line is, Pres Trump could’ve shot down the whole Q thing at any time.
He didn’t and still hasn’t.
Instead, P45 has gone along with it, added to it and even sort of sanctioned it by having Lionel, one of the most avid Q-peeps, to the White House:
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I am sure that our President would love to tell us all that he knows…what he has done behind the scenes…and what he planning to do.
He loves us.
If he didn’t, he wouldn’t be risking his life for us and taking on this herculean task.
I still think that this Q thing is just what a loving guy like our President would do, to try to give us assurances on the sly.
With full ‘deniability.
It’s actually quite brilliant.
Wheatie, risking his life is right, and it is brilliant, indeed.
I agree very much with what you say here. But in addition, I do want to defend SD on one very important point.
Much of what Q says is unverified, and Q admits to using disinfo. Do the math. SD is right that this information is to some extent unreliable, and in some cases, “some” is HUGE.
Now it IS true that in the info from Q *himself* (*themselves*) (*whatever*) tends not to be too outlandish, but OMG – Q tolerates all sorts of wild theories being attached to the thing, and only calls out SOME of the nonsense. Why? Because it’s a psy-op. it doesn’t interfere with the goals. But SD is right that when we act as INVESTIGATORS, this stuff should be on the back burner at most – and preferably under a heat lamp on the side, not taking part in the pure logic.
It is NOT CTH stuff, IMO. It is basically anonymously sourced information.
Indeed, that tells me something. I think I just realized what’s going on. I’ll post more later. It’s a very ingenious way to take down Q, and they’re using it.
Well, remember Wolfie…SD posts anonymously too.
People used to hold up signs at the Trump rallies with “Conservative Treehouse” on them…but now they hold up Q-signs.
I know that SD prides himself on trying to ‘stick with facts’, but he has engaged in quite a bit of speculation too.
And some of that speculation has been based on just his ‘spidey sense’.
I think that Q allows and ignores all that far-out-there-stuff for a reason:
It adds to the ‘conspiracy nuts’ aura of it all…and thus to the deniability.
It provides cover.
I have wondered why SD stays so very far away from all the PedoGate stuff.
There actually are quite a bit of ‘facts’ in all that.
Speaking of the pedo stuff…the Anons have been rocking out to this song, which is thought to be about the pedo stuff.
It ties in with what you said downthread, about getting rid of the threat:
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I think the way they’re taking down Q is basically the same method that Silicon Valley was turned against Trump – by being read in on “secret” IC disinformation that MAGA influencers will believe. Basically “fake intelligence”. Laundered just like they laundered the dossier stuff through Steele, only this is something that works on DOJ types because it was laundered in through a dupe they respect.
Now the people hit with it can’t use it – they can’t reveal it – yeah – funny how that works – but knowledge of it is used to create a bias on all the rest that they know.
We are up against very smart people. They tried everything else. Now they’re circling back to this long-trusted pattern.
At least, this is my current thinking….
That has also been former Congressman Joe Walsh’s themesong for his taalk show. He’s not always pro Trump but mostly is.
Great song!
It seems to me that Q rarely states anything as fact. More often than not, he throws out ideas, scenarios, “crumbs and the anons just dig from there. The few facts he does post seem mostly to do with who has been fired or forced out. Actually I feel that SD presents a lot of what he writes as fact. Mind you, I said presents, as in implies but does not state it is factual. Rather oblique IMHO.
Great point!
The enemy is very smart. Q was designed to fight the division, and it WORKED for a long time. However, the enemy is USING Q to increase division. That is very interesting.
Sylvia, don’t be annoyed with Gorka. Revel in the information he disclosed that he was not asked to be on the QTeam! LOL
I heard him on Hannity’s radio show earlier this week telling a story about an interaction with Sessions that put himself on a higher level in the interaction than Sessions and I just thought how interesting it is to watch people reveal themselves when they appear to be stringing an unfavorable narrative about another person. Even for those or maybe especially for those who’ve traveled the DC halls of politics for many years, times are changing and it is difficult to know where anyone is coming from or what they know.
There are new items on the menus that may be causing some of the unintended self disclosures and I hope this pic posts…. 🙂
Very astute observations, Judew.
I love this…from the Qresearch Anons:
Ah, found it.
I saw this on Wednesday over at Qresearch, and wanted to share it here…but when I went back couldn’t find it.
Just wanted to pop it in here, to add to what we were discussing upthread:
Thanks. This only deepens the mystery. But not all of it. I am SURE of the following. They are going to KEEP killing people in mass psychological events until we give up the guns, or get rid of the threat.
I vote for “get rid of the threat.”
That’s the only option I’m looking at. And there’s a LOT of room for more options in it, too.
More people than you might think recognize these psyc-ops as just that… FFs.
Fresh video posted today from Polly StGeorge…a Canadian Trump supporter and a Q-peep.
It’s pretty good; she gives her insights on todays/this weeks topics.
[youtube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kPWyh-gKQ9o&w=560&h=315%5D
This is a comment that was left under the above video.
It echoes my own ‘take’ on things…and I have said as much before, over the past year.
Polly must have liked it too, because she pinned it to the top of her comment section on this video:
Pinned by Amazing Polly
magma11000
5 hours ago
Q said, or my interpratation and translation of what Q said, is that the arrests could perhaps have been made but the trials and the adequate justice could not have been delivered cause the DOJ etc had to be cleaned up first, and the deep state . The plan was and I presume still is to avoid whole scale Martial law and civil war as much as possible. The corruption has to be walked back step by step. Slowly but surely, and carefully rather than hastily. as it’s fraught with hazards. It’s better not to be too hasty. Sure it’s not good to be too slow either. I think Trump &co are demonstrating a lot of due dilligence and due process. I do believe a lot of good stuff is happening and its evident, but the evidence is subtle. It’s happening under the radar, in the shadows. But we see glimpses, of it. Slow and steady wins the race!!!!
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Regarding the “Trust Sessions” thing that Q used to say…
I think that Sessions was working to put things in place, under the radar…things that were needed for the upcoming battle.
For the ‘storm’, so to speak.
We had a Justice System that was packed with corrupt Dem Judges.
Still do…but not as bad as it was on Jan 20th, 2017, when PDJT took office.
If we had had an AG who was not recused…someone who had gone in with both guns blazing [like we all wanted to see]…and made dozens of arrests and indictments…
Then what would’ve happened next?
Those indictments would’ve gone no where.
The courts were so packed with leftist judges…that the traitorous scumbags would have gotten off.
Just like the Awan case.
I think that Sessions’ recusal provided ‘cover’ for the excruciatingly slow grind of getting some Trump Judges on the bench.
I also think that it was Sessions himself who bowed out.
I think he knows what is coming and he doesn’t want to put his family through the death threats and punishment that is going to befall whomever is at the helm as the AG.
I think that Sessions made a deal with P45 to stay, keep working and wait till after the midterms were over, to take his leave of the whole thing.
Sessions is a polite, southern gentleman…and I don’t think he anticipated the full extent of the depraved corruption and desperate retaliation that he would be dealing with.
I new what kind of guy Sessions is, a couple of years ago…which is why I had my reservations about him being the best pick for VP when that was being clamored for.
And I also had reservations about him being mean and tough enough to be an AG.
But I think all the Sessions-bashing was a lot of knee-jerk frustration…so I didn’t join in on it.
Just look at the video from yesterday when he was leaving.
Sessions looked happy…looked relieved…like he had a big weight finally off of him.
The Q stuff is similar to the whole ‘Mayan 2012 prophecy’ stuff.
The Mayans never predicted doomsday.
People jumped to that conclusion, because the Mayan calendar ended on that date.
But there are clues that it started up again after that…except a lot of the Mayan stuff was destroyed by Catholic priests after the fact.
Pretty much what I think about what Sesssions and company were doing, setting the stage for what is to come, cleaning out a lot and getting in good judges and a lot behind the scenes-and going after child trafficking, which is huge.
Yep…the pedo stuff *is* huge.
I’m hoping they bring down the hammer on that soon.
It will change public opinion, bigtime, about Who these evil people really are.
Then people will be more willing to believe the Truth about what these people have been doing.
I’ right there with you all in my thinking.
Good Mark Taylor interview yesterday by Greg Hunter. Mark sees things from a different view. I like getting different views.
https://youtu.be/I1kcgMRYOEY
Taylor makes a great connection with Russian Collusion vs. Florida (+) vote fraud fiasco. Which is worse. This definitely needs to be debated in the house and senate to get it the attention it deserves.
Yeah, I agree with him about the ‘Red Tsunami’.
We could’ve had a bloodbath and lost both houses of congress, if Pres Trump had not gone out and fought so hard.
(Still watching — it’s a looong video.)
So if you haven’t seen it, Sundance has a new thread up called Snorkel Extensions.
Here’s an exchange from within the thread (HELP now I need a Sundance intrepreter):
“VegGOP
1h ago
This vegetarian is confused but open minded (except to eating meat). After reading Sundance’s condemnation of Q, is this post by Sundance a few days later not the gist of what Q has been saying?”
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“sundance
VegGOP
60m ago
No. Not even close. Exactly the opposite.
There never was a “plan”. If there was a “plan” there would have been no reason for countermeasures.
Sessions, Rosenstein, Wray, Bowditch, Boente, Gauhar, Schools, Hunt, Evans, are all corrupt, or willfully blind, and part of the problem. The countermeasures were/are being applied *AGAINST* the corrupt and deceitful actions of the aforementioned names.”
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Can anyone tell me WTH Sundance is saying? TY, Sylvia
And further in Snorkel Extensions thread we have these:
“Rip Tide
1h ago
So, does that mean your opinion on Sessions changed SD? Or is he part of the problem again? I swear my giblets are so twisted up right now after reading this…I don’t know who to believe. It just seems like the rule of law needs to be reestablished in a YUGE way. All this protesting, cheating, subversion and media lying will not stop until people start going to JAIL! I’m ready too see that!
Thanks for your tireless effort at bringing the TRUTH Sundance.”
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“angieunderground
1h ago
Hmmmm….
JSBachLover
JSBachLover
angieunderground
47m ago
… And Sundance thinks Q is phony? SMH
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“sundance
1h ago
President Trump is/was *external* to these countermeasures. He doesn’t know about it. He has been kept in the dark. The UniParty is adverse to the interests of the executive.
President Trump knows the corruption; but has only been advised of one side of it. His political instincts, and insight into what Democrats will do in January, is what took out Jeff Sessions.
The Democrats *need* an AG who is recused, so they can use the lower level institutional officials to complete their objective. Trump instinctively saw that and acted upon it as soon as Republicans lost the house.
President Trump doesn’t know the countermeasures because almost no-one knows them. That is what is *HOPEFULLY* about to change. Change begins with questions.”
I had to go read what SD said in his original thread-post.
Looks to me like the ‘VegGOP’ person is right.
Sundance is simply finally coming around to seeing what has been going on…and what Q has been whispering about for the past year.
But he’s too stubborn to admit it.
Maybe it’s ego…I dunno.
I’m going to take this opportunity to capture this last paragraph from SD’s post, before he realizes what he’s saying here and deletes it:
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“There has been a silent, almost invisible, battle. On one side you have an unified force of executive branch and legislative branch officials (across both political parties), intent on preserving federal institutions; and willing to go beyond legal and constitutional limits to protect those institutions by intentionally hiding systemic and institutional corruption. And on the other side there is a sub-level of patriots who have been engaged in countermeasures for each corrupt activity; and it is all about to become very public.”
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If I knew how to make screencaps, I would do one of that entire post from Sundance.
He is saying exactly what Q has been saying!
But it’s somehow ‘different’ because Sundance is claiming it as his own research.
Yeesh.
Argh, that is how it seemed to me, too. I’m really confused. And now he has posted a really cryptic thread about PDJTs tweets tonight about not knowing Whitaker.
I think I’ll go back and reread Q drops. Easier to process for me at this point.
Here ya go…the Anons have compiled it:
https://8ch.net/qresearch/res/3571969.html#3572123
Or you could watch the Q video, that spells it out:
https://youtu.be/3vw9N96E-aQ
TY Wheatie, I’ll check this out it a bit!
It’s a BRILLIANT video, Sylvia. HUGELY powerful. I could watch this every day for the rest of my life! I wish they’d show it on television. Yes, daily.
You can expand the above video by clicking on the ‘Reply’ button…that will drag it over to the L/H margin…then watch it from there.
Ack…that usually works for me.
Sorry, I shoulda tried out what I was suggesting — it’s different here than at the CTH.
This video is being censored by Youtube, behind a ‘Inappropriate Content’ thing, so you have to have a Youtube acct to click off on that in order to watch it there.
You can click on the Full Screen box/icon in the bottom toolbar of the video, though.
That will make it Big.
Wheatie, you mentioned somewhere a pic or something that SD posted that was suggested to be people who were Q? Where was that picture? I’m insanely curious.
It was on Page 3 of that ‘Sessions Resigns’ thread.
He did it twice…same pic.
I wonder if it’s still there.
Will go look and post it over in a new comment.
This is getting over into the margin.
Sylvia, if I’m remembering correctly that photo was of someone who lied about being ex CIA (I think it was) in an interview. It gave his story more official weight. So I’m thinking that is what Sundance is getting at re Q. He’s likening the two and claiming Q is just like the other guy and claiming fraudulent authority.
It’s really weird that so many people who really should care one way or the other are falling over themselves to put down Q. It gives Q a more solid standing in my view!
Oops, SHOULDN’T care one way or the other. I type too fast for my own good sometimes. 😛
I know. It is like when Q lists all of the links to articles trying to dismiss him. It is a bit jaw dropping to see the sheer weight of the attacks. You can’t help but ask why would they unleash that on an internet LARP? They wouldn’t. No way would they devote that amount of time and energy unless it mattered.
That was my thought as well, Wheatie. He often says things that are very similar to Q. Especially in two of his posts today. I’m going to go back and look at that thread. I’ve been avoiding the comment section for the most part the last few days.
Yeah, me too, Linda.
But I am lurking in the ‘Snorkel Extensions’ thread right now, reading comments.
It is funny how so many people there Know Nothing about what Q has been saying for the past year.
And yet…they hate Q.
That is exactly what I wanted to post. SD sounds like Q.
To simplify it:
SD says…
“There never was a “plan”. If there was a “plan” there would have been no reason for countermeasures.”
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But the countermeasures are the plan.
That’s what Q has been saying for the past year.
That is how I have been seeing it, but I thought maybe I was missing something. I don’t know. I give up for now.
You’re seeing it right, my friend…exactly right.
It’s weird, though.
It’s like SD’s hatred for Q is keeping him from seeing what he’s doing…or something.
Mysteries frustrate me. I keep picking at them trying to understand. However, there are times when the best I can do is just accept that it is what it is and let it go. This may be one of those times. Sundance just mystifies me on the subject of Q.
I think “hate” is too strong a word. Rather, not only Sundance but OANN and other pro-Trump news outlets are threatened by the QAnon movement (and much more than by the “Q” persona) because it represents a “narrative” that they cannot control. Hatred is irrational whereas their witting misunderstanding is self-serving.
My guess as to Who he is handing it off too…Katica.
Sheryl Atkinson was my guess. I’ve seen him have discussions with her on Twitter. And she seems to be one of the very few honest journos.
That’s possible, for sure.
But Sheryl Atkinson is a disillusioned Democrat.
I would be a little apprehensive about how many ties she still has…and to whom.
I don’t think I saw anyone else guess her. But then most of the posters on there tonight came later, I think, after Katica.
Good guess.
Interesting.
Liked your poem by the way… you should of given yourself credit here 🙂
In between VegGop and Sundance you wrote…
“I just finished feasting on a big beef steak, and I’m confused too.
Cold hearted orb that rules the night,
Removes the colours from our sight.
Red is grey and yellow white.
But we decide which is right.
And which is an illusion?”
Ahhhh…..all the credit goes to the Moody Blues, late 60s. At the end of Nights in White Satin.
One of my favorite bands ever! Nights in White Satin.
I even have that album. Listen to it on a phonograph player hubs bought mev2 years ago. I wanted to see them this month in Los Vegas but chemo got in the way. Bummer.
So Sundance puts this up. https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2018/11/10/very-important-tweets-from-potus-action-needed/#comments
It’s a bit strange… but I want to insert something discreetly… so I pick on Gunny’s first post…
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🍺Gunny66 says:
November 10, 2018 at 12:24 am
So, the voting issues, even though are serious, may still be a smoke screen / taking advantage of a crisis, for the Dems in doing all they can to cage in Whitaker….
I’ll buy that..
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I post “Grumbles… (not at you) what about talking declas.”
Post did not go through. (note as writing this my browser goes out. Strange but this happens. I fairly sure I’m monitored but who cares. Any way this is second attempt.)
I did something similar earlier today.. Someone attacked Q cultists about Q people attacking Gorka today about disowning Q conspiracy people. I replied back rather nicely, nothing impolite and said “yeah, those Q cultists only want to talk about declas. BTW do we have a posistion on that”.
That post did not go through. I checked twice. Then on the third check his post was also gone.
I’m getting the feeling no one is supposed to be bringing any attention to declas.
Any thoughts?
Sometimes there’s just a key word in your post that puts you in the bin. If you post a “help” request to Ad Rem near where your comments went missing, they can poke around the bin and see if they can find it for you. 🙂
Perhaps…. likely correct, but did you see where I said after checking three times his post went missing. It was still there the other two times. That to me does not totally seem like a key word issue.
I was of the mind the moderator decided it wasn’t a good time to pick on Q people and he took his post down too. Maybe so I wouldn’t try again?
Ah, there’s that. Who knows?
But nicely asking Ad Rem to check the bin for you is still an option. 🙂
Lemme see if I’ve got this right…
You replied to a comment by Gunny…and your comment didn’t post?
Or it posted then disappeared?
Both of those things have happened to me over at the CTH.
Sometimes comments just go :::poof::: never to be seen again.
I have attributed it to just another thing that happens on WordPress.
I have made comments there before, and see them post…then they just disappear.
I’ve also had comments show up later, after AdRm finds them in the ‘bin’.
Or…your comment could’ve been deleted because one of the admins or SD, misread what you were saying.
This happens too.
I see some people mentioning Q over there, so I don’t think that all comments mentioning Q are being automatically deleted.
At least…not yet.
Traffic could be really high over there right now.
And that could be affecting the commenting.
Yes comment never appeared. Worded so it would pass the nice test. And note it happened twice. I really think it’s the declas thing. It’s supposed to becoming but no one is talking about it. Like in M. Taylor’s talk above it’s the thing that is the push so we can get the ball rolling to all these other things. But first we need to push that.
Sort of like a door bundle getting stuck in door of a C130 or C141. If you can’t get it out, you have all these troops behind it that are now not going to get out of the plane because the door bundle is stuck in the door. (door bundles have munitions and large weapons packs that troops can’t jump, so it goes out first.)
FISA Declas is the door bundle.
I’ve found that in order to get a post to go through, when a specific word is the trigger for “moderation”, one needs to encode that word.
So, instead of the original word you used, try something like [“D” class], or [dee-cl***].
It foils the AI auto-moderation function, by disguising the word. WE can understand it, but programming codes cannot yet do so (at least, those codes used by discussion platforms like WP and D-i-s Quss.
Btw, this is why Q asked the autists to use memes – because they thwart all but the most sophisticated AI, yet they are understandable by human intelligence within seconds.
The door bundle must be re-packed! lol
This might help… D.clas discussed 11/8/18 by Joe diGenova…
Thanks Thinkthinkthink I had not heard this. Joe’s a solid source, you pick well. Hope it pans out. Given that, I’m again surprised Sundance is not talking this.
IKR? Instead he offers a thread on who the media is speculating will be the next AG. Who gives a tinkers darn what the media thinks? Very puzzling.
IMHO, Sundance seems to have lost his bearings in the post-midterms pre-tsunami earthquake. Mark Taylor in interview posted above provides us with a much more positive orientation and unclouded perspective that has much in common with the outlook of the QAnon movement. Doesn’t anyone else see the irony in Sundance’s “Just trust me”? LOL
Here’s what Puppet String News has to say about Matt Whittaker: “It looks like Whitaker who is acting AG after Sessions resigned from the position is fully ready to take on the Deep State and the Clinton/Obama network. As reports are coming in that Whitaker will not recuse himself from the Russia investigation and overwatch of the Mueller probe, as well as reports coming in that Whitaker will not allow any Democrat subpoena of President Trump. This is why you are hearing Deep State Democrats and former Obama officials like Brennan and Holder demanding Acting AG Whitaker recuse himself, because Whitaker is looking like a major part of the plan to take down the entire network.” https://www.puppetstringnews.com/
What’s missing there is for Whittaker to start everything rolling I’d think declas would be the way to start it off. However there seems to be a suppression of even talking about it or at least at CTH by its host. There’s pocket mentioning at CTH and else where but I’d think a clamoring for it would be helpful. Currently I’m not seeing the clamoring.
Oh, there has *been* a clamoring for Declas…and there still is.
Maybe not at the CTH, today or this week, but it’s still out there.
Lots of people are calling for a Declas.
Especially the Anons over at Qresearch.
But I don’t think that Declas is within Whitaker’s power to do all by himself.
Or is it?
Pres Trump put that over to IG Horrowitz to decide on, didn’t he?
I think my take on Declas is that Sundance is avoiding it. About month and more before the election Sundance explained why it should likely need to wait till after the election. Now the election has come and gone and there’s no talk of it by him. It doesn’t seem to be on his priority list and now he seems to be off on tangents.
As to POTUS and Horrowitz, POTUS may have delegated it, but ultimately its his decision and it is what needs to happen before anything else starts to happen. Another IG report accompanying it would be a bonus. Declas is the wake up call that we all know about, the media knows about but won’t talk about and the public at large is largely unaware of. It is the wake up call.
Maybe I’m just impatient, but maybe too POTUS is waiting for some support or would like the support before he drops it or has it dropped.
And yes too, Q peeps are clamoring for it, but CTH and other places are just calling for it in little pockets with out a call out from the leadership.
Oh on Whittaker, no, he doesn’t release but he doesn’t start work either unless he’s going to round up all these people in secret. Having Declas first will justify his actions.
I still don’t believe the populace is emotionally nor philosophically ready for declass, much less the courts.
Well we don’t have a compliant media so that’s understood. That alone is a big obstacle to everything. Overcoming it will be a challenge.
It may take a miracle and God already gave us a big one in PT.
“Doesn’t anyone else see the irony in Sundance’s “Just trust me”? LOL”
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— raises hand —
I do. Heheh.
Perhaps SD is just stressed out and hasn’t realized that he is ‘discovering’ what Q has been talking about for a year.
Hmmm. Now you all have got me going through that thread. Here is an interesting exchange:
Jello333 wrote:
“While it’s cool to imagine Trump having this planned all along, and sitting there orchestrating every counter-move against the coup attempt, that’s not really realistic. No matter how brilliant the guy is, he could never pull it off without a LOT of help. So as far as I’m concerned, I’ll be even HAPPIER to find out that there are people behind the scenes who have had Trump’s back all along… who care enough about him, and the country, that they’ve put their necks on the line. (There are probably quite a few Admiral Rogers out there.)”
And Sundance replies:
“YOU are correct Jello. And this is why that “Q” nonsense is so dangerous.”
Now I’m really shaking my head about that. How can SD imagine that the Q group aren’t the ones in the background who have President Trump’s back???
I saw that too, Linda.
I guess SD thinks that Q has been saying that “The Plan”…is ‘President Trump’s Plan‘.
But that is not what Q has been saying.
Q has been referring to a ‘plan’ to take down the traitors, the corrupt coup-plotters, the pedos and child traffickers.
Q has made several references to Mil Int…or military intelligence.
Q has implied that there is a group working behind the scenes to do all this.
He has said that they are protecting the President…and are ready to lay their lives on the line to protect him.
SD apparently has not spent any time actually reading what Q has been saying.
Yep … Go back up thread and watch the Q movie again … fast forward to the last 1/3 if you want and then PAY VERY CLOSE ATTENTION to the words … the narrative being read, especially the final minute or so.
One might think SD recently [re]watched the movie and thought, “Oh s#!t I’ve gotta get back on top of that for the CTH ad revenue.
On a side note, having just rewatched the movie again … pay close attention to the part in the middle (I think) where mention is very forcefully made about “those you trust the most … ”
…Just sayin’ … 😉
Yes, as I commented the other evening, it is just fine if SD chose/chooses not to read Q drops, much less follow him/her/they. I think you would have to be an independently “wealthy” superman to be able to do the sort of research for which SD has been rightly renowned, AND be as well versed on Q drops as many anons and my personal favourite decoder/analyzer, Praying Medic. Oh, and not need to eat or sleep! I do hope CTH has the ability to start rooting out those who are causing division.
BTW, I appreciate so much, everyone’s comments here but I just can’t manage to read it all so no rebuff is intended if I haven’t “liked” someone’s post…just can’t process everything!
Thanks again to Wolfmoon for so much valuable insight and another warm home.
You’re most welcome! 😎
Praying Medic is one of my favorite decoders. Some decoders tend to go wayyyy off the rails, but PM stays even-keeled. He has even referenced SD’s work in one or more of his decodes, IIRC.
Yup.
Would it not be interesting if one of Q’s missions was actually to MOVE PEOPLE AWAY from the more “off the rails” stuff? Could very well be. Thus, Q suffers the slings and arrows of being accused of being one of those he’s trying to help make more like P.M.
I never thought about that. Then again, this IS the same Q who intentionally throws out disinformation to confound bad agents.
Of course, let the vitriolic anti Q folks tell it and you’d think that Q’s goal was to crank out “illogical, off-the-rail nutters”. However, if they actually followed Q (and not rely on OPP (other people’s perceptions)), they would see that Q always advocates for independent research and logical thinking.
I always read Q FIRST before looking at the work of others. And the BEST of the “others” always include a copy of the Q post before they talk about it! Logical thinking!
One of the reasons I did not like Jerome Corsi’s treatment of Q, after a while, is that he would waste lots of time talking about other stuff and precious little on Q – sometimes even FAILING TO INTERPRET very interesting points. Seemed like a muffler on the message.
Sundance’s conundrum is: Matt Whitaker was appointed by Jeff Sessions, whom Sundance made his whipping boy, provoking an outrageous shit storm of Treehouse peanut gallery postings, i.e., “Benedict Arnold”, etc. But it was Jeff Sessions and his other appointment Huber who have quietly collected all the evidence that’s going to to topple the whole Democrat house of cards. It will be the massive voter fraud they just perpetrated against the midterms elections that is going to unleash the whirlwind that will bring it all crashing down. As of tonight, still nine House seat races still not called; and one Senate race and one Governor race still not called.
6079 that is Exactly my take on things. A brilliant and productive way to get around recusal and set up for “the Executioner”.
Everyone has a very important part to play in the movie … 🙂
Exactly!!!!!
My thought too. Sessions has been setting up the ‘pins’ so to speak and Whitaker will bring the strikes.
Long ago SD could merely have said he would wait to pass judgment on Sessions (as many of us have done… I am still waiting, tho’ inclined to think he has been working in background); as for Q, he need never have expressed an opinion. But he did.
Now, SD has nowhere to go as far as opinion as to what happens. He has totally negated Sessions’ involvement… now comes Whitaker who has strong ties to Sessions.
Having dismissed Q out of hand without doing any research (his words on Q appear to affirm he has done none)… he has backed himself into a corner… same place he is with Sessions.
Question: As I have stated, I’ve only been at CTH 15+ months or so… is SD one person, or is there a team? Don’t know why, but for sometime I had the impression SD was more than one person.
Nice to see you here, Phoenix!
I wondered whether (when? lol) you’d hop on over from the Treehouse to the Q-tree!
“one person, or is there a team?”
So far, I think the former. My read is from the language used (lexicon / grammar / syntax), especially the now-and-again minor errors in all three categories. It’s just slightly more often than would be explained by typos, or inadvertent errors.
Doesn’t really matter much, though. It’s now agenda-driven over there, for good or for ill.
We’ll see …
Wish I had known about this site before – glad to be here now. As I stated at CTH, I am 50/50 on Q – the more info, the better, IMO. And no-one can deny it has brought MANY people to the MAGA train. I remain on hold over Sessions as well – I cannot comprehend the thought that this man is corrupt! He was the ONLY member of the Senate to be shown by Peter Schweitzer to have clean hands as far as dirty money was concerned some years ago.
Very similar thoughts myself. Thinking Sessions betrayed Trump is not reasonable, but thinking that he got pinned down by the Mueller Russian-Democrat Conspiracy is easy.
Nice to see you here – early or late!
IMO, former AG Sessions is true-blue. I still haven’t figured out whether his recusal was a planned exercise, or a capital mistake that he committed on his own, thereby hobbling his power at the very time when VSGPDJT needs him most.
I suspect the latter – but again, I’m not sure.
His actions seem to follow the latter perspective, and he did all he could – and I mean ALL – to mitigate the consequences of his mistake. IF, of course, it was a “mistake”.
But, there wasn’t any recovery from the error in judgment. provide that that’s what it was. PDJT absolutely HAD TO ask for his resignation, from the “mistake” perspective.
I trust Q. And so, I accept as truth Q’s statement that Sessions was (always) a patriot, and did what Law and Order dictated that he do. Again – ONE mistake … but it was a lulu of a mistake.
We’re all human! And, the DS knows all too well how to manipulate others’ psychologies.
I continue to support what AG S. has done, and I believe that my support of him, in time, will be acknowledged and praised.
I’m glad that the HUGE pressure on him is gone, and that he may enjoy his exit from public life – a well-deserved bonus for him and his family.
Yet, I’ve read that he is now free to testify, if need be.
Like DanO64 (I’ve heard was banned from CTH), I occupied that “small branch” (now a fallen twig!) of pro-Sessions posters, unwilling to consider him corrupt. He was / is anything BUT corrupt. A good man!
Sessions was more than likely with in one or two hops of Carter Page since Sessions is said to have hired him so their is no telling what they picked up on him. That’s my under informed guess.
Exactly! He did what he truly believed was the ethical thing to do. I really think his first thought is always for the ethics of the situation vs. politics. Political mistake, no doubt. But I just cannot see excoriating the man. Part of me believes it WAS part of a plan – he was BEAMING when he left DOJ!!! That was NOT a troubled man, IMO.
I agree, I think it is just Sundance. The writing style, use of words, punctuation choices, stuff like that.
Everyone of your statements have been my thoughts exactly, all the way to SD may be more than one person.
I’ve always thought that SD started CTH as a single person with some very good investigative & research skills. As time went by, and the blog grew, he needed to add “staff” to help out, maybe do some editing, etc.
If that is the case, one might wonder just who “some” of the “staff” are?
Asking for a friend…:-)
Interesting times. I just treat SD like one person. I used to treat her as a woman, back when I assumed she was, before I thought he was a guy to go along with the crowd. 😀
Again, what I think. Also, no one person, no matter how well they know their subject can daily produce the amount of analysis needed by the site.
Thank you for that new information about the “uncalled” races.
6079, the draw for me was somebody calling him Jeffrey Bergdahl Sessions. Boy was I po’d that AdRem and Sundance let that stand.
Sigh. Straw.
Linda, I agree they have his back. Haven’t there been at least 12 attempts on his life already? it is my understanding that this is a military plan developed/refined over a # of years and those who developed it recruited Trump to do exactly what he is/has been doing (ahead of schedule and under budget). 🙂
General Flynn describes it as “an insurgency, irregular warfare at its finest in politics”. Trump is likely the only person on the face of the earth who has the depth of experience he has dealing with the “evildoers on a worldwide basis” and he is a known “winner” in the battles he has fought.
And, Trump is not in the “club”. I remember when Newt was escorting Trump around DC to meet people he made a side comment in an interview that Trump had not been “initiated” yet. My thoughts based on the research I did to even come to grips with the possibility of him ever being POTUS, was that he had not been and would not be “initiated” because that is not who he truly is at his core. He is brilliant, caring, capable and he loves this country and all of us who are part of it on a scale I am likely not even capable of imagining. We are truly blessed that he said Yes to this challenge!
He didn’t fall in the Epstien trap either. Huge plus!
I’ve been a status quo Republican for most of my 52 years. I remember punching a locker at my Catholic grade school when Carter beat Ford. Back at the beginning of 2016, I serendipitously stumbled across a documentary on the physics regarding 9/11. It started by examining the collapse of Building 7. I’d remembered seeing it fall that day thinking how odd it was for it to come down so easily. But with all the other hullabaloo going on and trust in our government, I shrugged it off and followed the war cry never thinking about it again. I’ve never been a conspiracy theorist, but having a strong math and analytical background, I walked away from the documentary a very change person.
I was not a believer in candidate Trump. But, he won my vote when in one of the debates he laid into Jeb saying, “Your brother let 9/11 happen.” I didn’t follow much of the rhetoric of the campaign and never saw any of his rallies, but did enjoy watching him knock off all the others one by one, I knew I was voting for him and prayed he could take on the Hillary machine, fearing what the world would become with her at the reins. I actually passed out early election night, before all the major states started coming in for Trump. Waking up early the next morning, afraid to turn on the TV, I was elated to find the wicked witch was indeed dead.
When all the what I call the “Russian Collusion Delusion” started coming out, I laughed it off as trivial ploy to hinder President Trump and that it would all fade away soon enough. I didn’t watch much news, didn’t know about the deep state. I saw Comey’s firing as warranted and his testimony to congress as him being a disgruntled employee. I figured the Mueller investigation was futile. So, I kept on with my life paying little heed to any of it.
Something very profound and moving happened to me back in February in the midst of #ReleaseTheMemo, Thinking finally the delusion was going to be exposed and all would be right with the world, I started paying close attention to all things related. I began watching Fox news again, checking Drudge every 15 minutes or so(very disappointing how little coverage he gave), scouring the web for any informative article I could find. I reactivated my facebook account hoping to share my finds and shine the light to those I loved of the masquerade of it all. This is when I came face to face with the Beast. He did his best to silence me and almost prevailed, but that story is for another time.
It took me a few months after that encounter to begin my search of the Truth again and soon found the trail to our beloved Treehouse, I can’t thank God enough for leading me to the home of so many good people. Even though Sundance might not have time to see Q, I feel he believes (though he might not admit it) Where We Go 1 We Go All.
I Love US.
need24give, in your search of Truth, you might put this on your watchlist. It is long but it tied together for me when “the world changed” and how it happened and who was involved.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-DJENmRCZ0
If any of you are still awake, or up early as the case may be, Sundance has a new thread up on Q. “Adverse Interests–The Danger Within The Q Phenomena’s Current Messaging” and I’d love to know what anyone else thinks. I’ll lurk over there but I highly doubt I will post anything on that thread.
Yep, I saw that.
I dunno if SD is just stressed out and not seeing things clearly right now, or what.
But he has now declared Q as “dangerous”.
SMH.
And grammatically…shouldn’t that be “Phenomenon’s” instead of “Phenomena’s”?
Heh.
Totally on the phonomenon, LOL.
I wasn’t going to post, but I read yours and Judy’s and a couple other folks so I wrote my take on it.
Frankly, I’m glad he made an attempt to explain but honestly I am still at sea. I don’t think the logic supports his statements at all. But FWIW I do feel better that he took a stab at a reason.
But I’m left thinking dude, WTH?
Sylvia, I was so happy to see your post and wheatietoo’s post on CTH. I believe it is important to the CTH site to have people express their opinions based on experience as that seems to be lacking in the posts from people who have obviously not spent time on Q boards and what I see as unhealthy is just discounting anything because Sundance said to. Think. about. that! I would never give over my freedom to think that easily.
And, your last paragraph made me giggle out loud. I hope it’s okay if I post it here…
“Maybe I don’t understand the nuances of your opening post. But that doesn’t matter, actually, because I understand the surface well enough. This is your house. These are your rules. I won’t eat your secret stash of Ben and Jerry’s, spill red wine on your white mohair sofa, and let your Pomeranian outside to play with the alligators. I will respect my host’s wishes because my mother raised me right.”
Great spirit! 🙂
From what I am seeing…there is some cult-like behavior going on at the CTH lately, with people ‘following’ whatever SD tells them about Q.
Oh yeah, while complaining about Q cultists. Has everyone’s brain rotted???? Very similar to what you guys were saying about the irony of SD saying “Trust me” but don’t you go trusting that bad old Q. Eyeroll.
I noticed that too, Wheatie. I like the vibes HERE and it’s so good to see so many good people coming over but still joining in there too. I try to and will continue, but I’m very aware now that I must watch what I say over there and there are threads I will avoid. HERE, though, I feel relaxed and good. Feels kinda like home (thanks again, Wolfmoon).
You’re welcome! You can relax here – I want this place to be that way.
Gonna keep my eye on CTH. See if the splitter crew goes home to “whereever”.
Couldn’t let you guys hang out there alone with no support!
“Frankly, I’m glad he made an attempt to explain but honestly I am still at sea. I don’t think the logic supports his statements at all. But FWIW I do feel better that he took a stab at a reason.
But I’m left thinking dude, WTH?”
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If I were a cynical person looking at this…I might say that SD was looking for a ‘good reason’ to explain why he went nuclear on Q and the Q-peeps.
So he thought about it, and thought about it.
And…voila!
A lightbulb went off!
He *had* to do it, see…because, because that Q stuff is dangerous!
That’s the ticket.
Yeah.
That Q stuff is…like, dangerous…dangerous to the President!
And so, it’s really a ‘noble’ thing that he did.
Yeah, that’s it.
That Q guy and all those Q-peeps who read that stuff…they’re a danger to our President!
So he trashed them to protect the President.
But now, since I’m not a cynical person, I wouldn’t say something like that.
You know, that sounds about right. I’ve done my share of hero worshipping Sundance. But he fell off that pedestal for me when, after an extended radio silence on Sessions, he suddenly threw him under the bus with little explanation.
Now, I’m not going to defend Sessions because as I’ve said I’m pretty Sessions agnostic and had been so for awhile before SD threw him under the bus. It was kind of sudden and jarring. Likely it had been building up for some time and he realized he had to dump a theory that had become unsupportable.
Okay. I get that. Fine. But why not just say that? Shrug. Whatever. But now this Q thing. Jeepers, I don’t know.
And again, it isn’t like I am hanging onto every last Q drop and explicating and parsing each word of them. I’m no autist. I just think it is interesting and useful and has generally been a good thing and I remain curious and willing to listen.
Oh well. I’m repeating myself. I’m just vexed and venting at this point, I suppose.
Vent away. I think we’re all pretty much in the same boat with the same thoughts and same frustrations. And you vent pretty good, all nice and clear and good logic.
LOL, champion venter here! Be glad you can’t hear me!
LOLOL
“I don’t think the logic supports his statements at all.”
I’ve found that on the vast majority of arguments between two persons, the ostensible subject of the argument isn’t the REAL conflict that’s actually going on.
That is, what they’re arguing about isn’t REALLY what they’re arguing about – it’s something else, something deeper.
It may be the same here.
I would wager that there’s a deeper “logic” going on behind the scenes, which makes [ ]’s apparently illogical positions on the surface topic, make sense in the context of the underlying topic, the real subject.
We don’t know what that real subject is … but IMO it can’t be pretty.
Two individuals, when in private, can often go back-and-forth enough in an argument to discover the core issue – which many times they themselves hadn’t realized was what the argument was all about.
In a public setting, I’ve almost NEVER seen this mode of reconciliation take place.
I’m reminded of a Kung Fu quote, from character “Master Po”:
“NOT to understand another man’s purpose does not make HIM confused!”
FWIW …
Emeraldstar, you put your finger on something. I keep coming away dissatisfied because I feel I’m not getting to the truth of the matter. That’s because we’re not getting the truth of the matter. Maybe SD doesn’t know the truth of the matter, he just knows he doesn’t like Q and doesn’t want to deal with it in his parlor any longer,, or something.
Emeraldstar, Wow this is a keeper! “NOT to understand another man’s purpose does not make HIM confused!” Also, your reference to the surface topic/underlying topic supports Wolfmoon1776’s comment that he sees a hand over the table and a hand under the table and I know these aren’t his exact words but we know there is a war advancing and we will never know all there is to know about it.
I believe we can see now, though that “we don’t know the real subject but we know it can’t be pretty”. And we have respectfully drilled down on our own understanding of what it is we are seeking and know there are new ways of delivering and receiving every product in the world including information. Using new methods is a personal choice.
The 7 Habits of Highly Effective People by Dr. Stephen Covey is one of my very favorite books. Part of Dr. Covey’s message addressed in Habit 5: Seek First to Understand, Then to be Understood seems to fit here in that people form opinions based on their own experiences.
Thanks Judy!
For me, the quote perfectly encapsulates the notion of psychological projection. Master Po’s statement was in response to a question from Grasshopper, who’d asked, “Is he a CONFUSED one, Master?”
There are very few literary sources I cite – Tolkien’s LotR trilogy (my favorite) and the Kung Fu series are two of my favorites, for pithy nuggets of wisdom.
And I’ve enjoyed your posts / perspectives, here on this budding Q-Tree Wolf planted!
Cheers!
“Seek First to Understand, Then to be Understood”.
Hey! That’s what I did with Q! 😀 LOL!
Me, too, Wolfmoon 1776. And, I read over these steps every morning as I start my day.
Seven Habits of Highly Effective People
1. Be Proactive
2. Begin With The End In Mind
3. Put 1st Things 1st
4. Think Win/Win
5. Seek First To Understand, Then To Be Understood
6. Synergize
7. Sharpen The Saw
Emeraldstar,
IMO you are exactly right about surface subject vs deeper subject of an argument.
The caveat I would add is that, in my experience, and in that of others I have learned from, in major disagreements involving politics, there is typically more than one level, and the different levels typically involve deeper and deeper levels of philosophy. And in contemporary American culture, it is rare that the deeper levels are ever discussed, or even that many people are consciously aware of them at all.
Example: two neighbors discussing a shared concern repeatedly, from different viewpoints, leading to friction.
(For purposes of illustration, I chose a common and stark divide. Differences between Treepers over pro-Q vs. anti-Q, pro-Sessions vs. anti-Sessions, etc., whatever they be, are certainly more subtle, more technical in nature, and much less contentious than these below.)
The surface argument could be something as mundane as a disagreement over a fence to be built along the property boundary between their houses, or as political as a ballot measure for the next school district election, or as charged as the question of whether unlimited numbers of poor, uneducated people from the Third World should be allowed to travel to the United States on their own initiative and given a place to live here and the opportunity to become citizens in a few years.
The deeper level is one of partisan politics. One neighbor is a conservative Republican, say, and the other is a Leftist (I hate to use “liberal”, in this context, which term is derived from “liberty”, and has been systematically highjacked by Leftists) Democrat. This level is still commonly understood, much discussed, and relatively mundane.
If the argument continues at this level, and there is genuine intellectual digging going on between the two individuals, it will eventually be necessary for them to concede that they cannot resolve it at that level, but must go to a deeper level, that of political philosophy.
It turns out that one neighbor believes in freedom, the other in the socialist version of slavery or, increasingly in contemporary Western life, the Islamic version of slavery.
But honest discussions on this level (good luck with the socialist — you’ll need it –, but don’t try this at home with the Muslim,) would only reveal a different outlook on ethical philosophy, from which political philosophy is derived.
One believes that an individual naturally should act to create values, and support his life by the honest and consensual trade of value for value with others. The other neighbor believes an individual should be forced to create values by others, while supporting himself by seizing values from others, or, alternatively, by being cared for as a charity case.
Further digging reveals that each of these stances on moral codes is buttressed by its own underlying vision of the metaphysical nature of Man.
One neighbor sees man as a strong, noble, and heroic creator, capable of exploring the world around him to find the raw materials need to make what he needs to live, and capable of using his mind to learn, to solve puzzles, and to relate to those he meets peacefully in the normal case, but to defend himself successfully when necessary.
The other neighbor sees man as a pathetic and suffering bundle of desires, cringing from the blows of a whip, snatching what he can to support himself, and needing, like an animal, to join a herd or pack for mutual protection. Simultaneously, as someone with an inherent “right” to keep and use whatever he can get his claws into, including his fellow humans.
And yet more digging reaches the bottom level, that of epistemology (the philosophical study of knowledge.)
One neighbor believes that the human mind fundamentally can work, though capable of error, and that logic is the ultimate tool for understanding the world and for solving the problems of survival. The other, only in the “logic” of believing whatever other members of his herd tell him, and that his mind is fundamentally helpless on its own.
So getting to the ultimate issue may be rare, or even a practical impossibility, considering the depths to be surveyed.
But, again, the recent problems on CTH, on whose causes I do not know enough to speculate, result from a division that may be less deep than that of the example, and is certainly much less wide.
Nope. 🙂 Grocer’s apostrophe rears its head once again. Phenomenon (singular) Phenomena (plural). Thus, Phenomena’s refers to the singular in its possessive and CTH has it correct, but often ends up with that grocer’s apostrophe. 🙂 (Longtime editor and editorial assistant here.)
Here I am stuck on Declas again. Sundance seems to want to prolong that from happening. Why focus on Q? The focus should be on declassifying FISA so Whittaker can begin pursuing the people who spied on Trump and tried to take him down in a silent coup.
I agree. Declas should be like….any moment now. Except he did make that deal with Rosenstein to hand it off to the IG, so maybe he intends to see that through to the end, I don’t know.
If I were Whitaker I’d be all over the IG like a bad rash asking him when the heck is he going to be done, and if the answer isn’t in about 48 hours I’d say not good enough we’re pulling the declas pin now.
But I realize it is easy for me to say when I don’t know what is going on. I’d just like the declas to happen soon so that the info could get out there before the Communists retake the House in January. Shudder. What a horrible thought.
Big amounts of blood in the streets if declass happens before populace is ready, and courts are ready.
Could be, certainly. Things seem on a knife edge right now. I trust PDJT to know when the time is right.
Right now midterms voter fraud is top priority and by bringing the voter fraudsters to justice in combination with declassification, we the people will deliver such a one-two knock-out punch that the Democrat party will never recover.
I have to run out to work in minutes but wanted to respond to this because it wasn’t something I had considered. Alas I don’t have time so I’ll answer back with something I posted today in the epic thread at CTH.
“Before I went to sleep last night some one texted to me that the main effort is going to shift from FISA to Voter Fraud. Therefore the better argument to delay FISA release would come out of the military acronym for planning METT-T, with one of those T’s being Troops Available. I’d assume his argument would follow a long the lines of that all hands on deck are required for the shift in mission. I’d disagree, but first yes lets step back from the edge and consider this.
You’ve heard all the rally’s where they say “Lock her Up!” Well that in a nut shell is the whole Q game, Conservative game, Trump’s game. To have POTUS to move to disavow Q is to abandon that mission, to abandon “Lock her Up!” and thus abandoning his base.
The fact that the enemy has opened up this new front that we have to go against (voter fraud) is all the more reason to green light FISA release. Again it will give the required justification for fighting ALL that we fight against and will drown out any Q noise anyone is worried about.
This disavow Q notion, like it would make a difference is us getting lost in the weeds. It’s the door bundle getting stuck in the door. My opinion is kick it out the door.
Meanwhile as Sylvia Avery says we of course can respect the host’s wishes and refrain from talking about Q, but that would have to come from both sides. I’m not sure how that is going to help though as Q notions have pretty much permeated the political discourse internet wide.
With all that said, what I’m thinking what may be really happening here is that we are more worried that Socials are going to shut us down because conspiracy talk is allowed much like the way GWP has been crippled by no longer allowing links and memes because someone posted porn on the site.
Anyway, that rant is bit long. ”
Allows I could be wrong on Troops Available and shifting the main effort. But alas, POTUS decides and not us. 🙂
Good post. Something is up. SD went after Q for a reason other than the one given, IMO. I’m waiting to see that that is.
SD has put up yet another thread about Q:
“Adverse Interests — The Danger Within the “Q Phenomena’s” Current Messaging…”
So I posted this in the comments:
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People thought that the Mayans predicted the-end-of-the-world, because their calendar ended in Dec 2012.
So there was this big ‘Mayan 2012 Doomsday’ thing.
But the Mayans never said that the world would end in Dec 2012.
That was just when their calendar ended and started over.
But they weren’t around to clarify that.
I have read a lot of what Q has said…and I don’t recall him ever claiming that ‘The Plan’ was President Trump’s Plan.
From what I’ve read, Q has been talking about a group of dedicated people, working behind the scenes…to bring down those who have done so much wrong to both the US and to We the People.
Q has mentioned that he/they work to protect our President.
Q has mentioned that he/they stand ready to put their lives on the line…and hinted that some of them are doing just that.
Q often speaks in military jargon that I don’t really understand very well.
But others do and offer their ‘read’ of it.
So the people who are claiming that Q is talking about ‘the President’s plan’ haven’t bothered to actually read what Q has been saying.
What drew me to reading about Q, was his talking about his group working behind the scenes to bring down the evil pedophile groups and child trafficking rings.
And that they were working to bring them to justice.
Sundance, you can delete this comment if like.
I understand that you think talking about Q is somehow “dangerous”.
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I’m sure I will be attacked by the usual Q-haters.
So be it.
Wheatietoo, I read that there and wow what a great analogy! Perfect! 🙂
Thanks, judy…I thought you made some great comments too.
Hi wheatie, former handle JasonD – this is a test comment
It appears that me and at least 2 other “small branchers” have been banned from the treehouse. I have e-mailed them to get clarification – nada.
It appears that Sundance want to squash excessive theorizing re a “plan” to take out the corrupt elements in DC, to the extent he is prepared to banish those who spend too much time on the topic?
Just found this in moderation as a new commenter. Hi Jason! Exciting night! 😉
Hi Wolf, thanks for allowing me to speak to some “old friends” here!
As I said above in my test post, i have been banned by Sundance, apparently for pushing the “RR is a potential white hat” notion too hard – in defiance of Sundance’s “leverage” theory. The same day posters “Dan064” and “Newhere” disappeared – they were supporting my posts.
I did make one post disparaging of Sundance, which got pulled down at the same time I was banned. I e-mailed Sundance after the elections to apologise for my post and ask if I could be re-admitted – no response. Now, fair enough, it’s his site, and I have no rights there – but why ban 2 others at the same time when their comments were “typical”? If it was my fault, I feel really bad!
It has been troubling me a bit, cause as far as I could tell my posts could not be interpreted as “trollish” at that stage. I am interested in doing my little bit in fostering a world that stands for free speech and I had glibly assumed that the Treehouse would have been a bastion for free and open exchange – hence my perplexity.
Anyway, Sundance’s very recent open attacks on Q could possibly shed some light on my experience. It would seem to me that Sundance is working to frame a particular narrative that POTUS is totally disengaged from the DOJ in relation to any action the DOJ could be contemplating against the “swamp”. So my being deep-sixed from the Tree House re pushing the notion that POTUS was secretly scheming with RR to take down McCabe, Comey et al would make sense in this light. What your take?
I must say, Dan064 being booted from CTH made me feel terrible – he had been there well before me.
I don’t support narratives that aren’t actually true, and I know that REAL Sundance doesn’t, either, so I don’t know what games are going on. Very strange.
Anyway, welcome here, and it looks like you can post now.
I will try to get a fresh post up later. It’s been a long night. 😉
Thanks again for welcoming me, much appreciated! Great website – I will be spending some time checking it out. Feeling a bit shame faced that I haven’t visited before.
In re your final sentence, he was on a pro-Sessions small branch (like I was).
As one point – oh, maybe a couple months ago, I made an extremely rare-for-me post of despair, that the branch seemed to be becoming a mere twig instead, and may fall off.
I wish my forecast had been wrong.
In any event, I’m glad you’re here. We hadn’t interacted much there, but I’d read most of your posts and liked them. Welcome!
Thanks Emerald, I remember your posts being generally supportive! Look forward to bouncing ideas around here with old and new folk.
Jason, just for the record, I also think that RR is possibly a white hat. I even lean that way re Mueller, although he is harder to be sure about… From the sound of it, Mueller’s report is coming to a close and will be released so finally we shall know one way or the other. I keep thinking, what if what he is investigating is NOT what everyone thinks it is? Russian collusion? Well, hey, there’s a whole other side to Russian collusion! There are other things entirely. Against that idea, of course, is that his team are made up of Democrat supporters… so…
Anyway, it’s good to know I’m not completely alone thinking this way. One thing for sure though, I’m not willing to call anyone guilty, especially of treason, before the facts are in.
Hi Jason…it’s good to see you here!
You got banned?
Sorry to hear that, my friend.
Well free speech is allowed here at Wolfmoon’s hideout.
Heheh.
But no bashing. Disagreement, or venting at the wind, but no bashing. This is a research board. No “rules for radicals”. It’s “rules for researchers”. I worked with scientists who disagreed with each other all the time, in a productive and mutually respectful way. That’s what we want here. Computer logic. All thoughts allowed, but no deception or intentional error. We aspire to the benevolence of honestly designed machines.
I wouldn’t mind having a “no holds barred” board as well, but I’m one guy. We need this board first.
People – I’m going to have to stop looking at all comments. I can only look at moderated ones. No time for liking, either. Too many comments now.
Totally understand, Wolfie.
Only so many hours in the day…don’t let this place run you ragged.
I am just grateful it’s here!
And yes, no bashing.
No fist fights…no tearing up the furniture.
We’ll be good.
Hi back at you, Wheatie – I’ve been suffering withdrawals AND scratching my noggin as to what I did. Never been banned from anything in my life – so feeling very “injured”!!
I posted up thread in reply to Wolf re my banning – wouldn’t mind your take since Wolf sounds very busy.
I didn’t see the dustup, so…sorry, I can’t really offer much in the way of a ‘take’ on it.
But don’t worry about it.
The CTH has changed so much that I am not spending much time there.
I totally understand about feeling ‘injured’ though.
I’ve been treated unfairly a few times there…and now it sounds like that’s happening more and more.
It might only be a ‘time out’, so you can check back in a day or so to see if you can ‘Like’ any posts.
If you can…then you might be able to post there again.
If you want to.
Hey Jason! Now I get the new handle. 😉
Let me see if I understand this correctly. Sundance demonized Jeff Sessions for recusing himself but Whitaker must maintain the appearance of being as-if recused. And, if the malevolent Q cult spreads the “narrative” of Whitaker’s being non-recused is part of “the plan”, the Mueller investigation will be “at risk” and Trump framed for obstruction. As we control the vertical, so we control the horizontal, and thus we control the narrative. Unfortunately, Sundance doesn’t have Jeff Sessions to kick around anymore so now it’s Q’s turn for a beat-down. Ain’t that a nice spin on the MSM “Q” narrative?
Only thing is the Sessions beat down thing has been relatively new to Sundance.
All this is getting very bizarre.
It’s what can happen to the brain on shifting paradigms.
As I was reading your post the absurdity of what you are writing struck me. That really is what we are being asked to believe, isn’t it? Whitaker must maintain the appearance of being as-if recused because that is suddenly good. Maybe I just need more coffee, but I am still frankly not understanding where Sundance is coming from.
Bottom line, we/Q/SD cannot control what the Left chooses to pick up and use as a weapon against PDJT. If not Q and The Plan, it will be the Emoluments Clause, or Don Jr’s meeting with the Russian chick, or Barron cheated on a spelling test, or….
Yup!
Did you guys see this? On the Adverse Interests thread, cripto posts:
“cripto
20m ago
WOW. one of my minor posts on the fact that the President should and will not acknowledge Q went whoosh. Very weird. OK sundance why is that? I don’t get it.”
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I saw cripto’s post. Can’t remember what it said, exactly, other than what cripto restated above, but I thought it was interesting, okay suspicious, that it went poof.
Yes, I saw that post from Cripto…in fact, it’s still there in the tab I have open to that thread because I haven’t refreshed it in a while.
I was treating meself to some of the hilarity over at the Qresearch board.
Those guys are a hoot.
Here is that Cripto post:
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cripto says:
November 10, 2018 at 3:40 am
Sundance is trying to warn about the narratives that ultimately implicate the President in ‘interfering’ with the Mueller investigation, compromising the newly appointed interim AG, thereby nullifying the legitimacy of those who seek to indict corrupt officials. It also supports the collusion/obstruction narrative.
The President has no connection to Q. However if his so-called supporters keep pushing the Q narrative, inevitably it will compromise what is about to unfold. The Q narrative is that the President is knowledgeable and behind the narrative.
Hence SD’s prior post about the newly appointed interim AG. If the press runs enough stories that the President and Mr AAG W, being in cohorts via innuendo prevails, the Dems will push illegitimacy.
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He has obviously Not Read any of Q’s stuff.
And I don’t appreciate him calling Q-peeps “so-called supporters” of Pres Trump.
Okay, I just refreshed and the above Cripto post is still there.
Maybe he was referring to another one that disappeared?
That’s probably why his post didn’t stick in my memory. I read it and went “Meh” because I thought it was a bit condescending.
So now we’re all about “optics” and the grand “narrative” — it’s all about the offending Democrats. Who’s the RINO now?
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I just came from reading through the Adverse Interests comments. Sigh. Practically no one has bothered to really look into Q, yet they feel perfectly free to fling comments around like so much monkey poo. Those who take the time to post questions or try to defend are getting the business.
I’m sure not an expert on Q. I was slow to pay much attention because I was annoyed by the cryptic style and cloak and dagger stuff. It still annoys me. But I am unrelentingly curious, and people kept talking about it, so I wanted to learn enough to know what was going on. And I found it pretty interesting.
Of course I’ll respect SD’s rules and not comment on Q anymore on his site, but frankly I continue to be puzzled by his stance on this and the more I think about his stated reasons for it the less it makes sense. All it has done is free up the yappy little ankle biters to make rude or snarky comments about people who follow Q. Pfffttt. Disgusted.
Here is that post with the pic you were asking about, Syl…
Sundance says:
November 7, 2018 at 9:29 pm
Here. Meet “Q”. This is who posts the riddles you chase….
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Link to that post:
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2018/11/07/jeff-sessions-resignation/comment-page-3/#comment-6287947
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These guys are not Q…these are the guys that were on that Bill Mitchell show…as a teaser for the ‘info’ that they were going to post on some New Website.
But they were asking for money to see it.
SD got into a twitter spat over it.
Then downthread on that Page 3, SD made a post that you really have to see for yourself, Sylvia.
It just made me very sad when I saw it.
He doubled down and elaborated on what he said in that post above:
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2018/11/07/jeff-sessions-resignation/comment-page-3/#comment-6288065
I’m frankly flabbergasted. That’s just not true. It’s not! Anyone who spent just a couple of hours looking at QAnon and related stuff would know this is not true.
I am speechless at this point.
You hadn’t seen that?
It’s bad, isn’t it.
When someone upthread mentioned that SD had posted a picture of Q…I had to see that.
So I went looking for it.
No, I hadn’t seen that. I didn’t spend much time in that thread, I was too troubled by it. Thanks for pointing me there. I feel like I ran into a big old nasty spiderweb.
Well, one thing’s for certain. Between the Sessions Battle and now the Q-Wars, which is really just Sessions Part 2, disunity and division have been deeply seeded into the Treehouse. Whatever else is going on, that has happened.
Unfortunately, it comes at about the worst possible time. With massive voter fraud in front of us and the new Communist House bearing down on us, and the left trying to skewer Whitaker, the road is getting awfully bumpy.
Way I’m looking at it is all these efforts might have us divided over Q or Sessions or Rosenstein or Sundance, but not over President Trump. POTUS has handled things pretty brilliantly so far and I don’t think that’s about to change anytime soon. The Democrats are imploding and I’m doing exactly what Q suggested I do, I’m enjoying the show.
“These guys are not Q”
Of course they aren’t! The 8-chans debunked this almost instantly.
And Q themselves have said “No outside comms” at least a few times, one of them being in response to this very video.
So – NO ONE has been able to “dox” Q, yet [ ] has been able to? (I think everyone knows to whom I’m referring with the empty brackets!)
I’m glad I left when I did. [ ] has become FAKE NEWS (in part).
I hope this topic begins to take a back-seat here, so we can focus on the real news going on. Gotta avoid distractions!
It’s like the reporter IS the story … and he isn’t.
CTH isn’t a mega site, but it is really big. Misinformation on JS and Q for a good purpose anyone? Yes, I am the Pollyanna I always claimed to be. I cannot believe – yet – that SD believes all he’s said. Or maybe I just need a nap.
You know, this may sound crazy but I’ll put this out there. Bear in mind, I don’t know ANYTHING about how any of this stuff works. But CTH is bigger apparently than I had realized, and it sounds like SD is really busy. Maybe he has reached the point where it is too big for him to handle on his own, maybe he has been approached to sell or something but not as a “fringe Q cuckoo” site so purging is necessary? I don’t know…just a random thought while trying to get to sleep.
Not crazy at all.
For quite a long time now I thought there were assignments of people or a person to specific theories set forth by one individual. Our daughter is a professional writer, my grandsons are debate champs.
Debaters have to know all the ins and outs of all sides of a subject. Professional writers can write in a stylized form of another without difficulty. Add some oft used phrases and familiar words normally used by the key person…..
So, IMHO multiple people. Now we see change of political philosophy perhaps.
I think you’re onto something.
Remember the wisdom regarding what to do when one first heads over to 8-chan? Lurk, read, digest, for a good 6 months before you comment.
I know a very experienced person who has often described their start in GOP politics as a position of LISTENING and OBSERVING for months or perhaps it was years in order to learn how stuff worked (and how it should work re state law [the parties in this state were created by the legislature and operate under statute] and re Roberts’ Rules, etc. Only with a solid feel for all of that did they then go in to the street fighting necessary to gain positions that would eventually allow an entire county to change hands from the GOPe to the grassroots good guys.
Virtually everyone who enters a new arena, particularly, it seems, political arenas, thinks their experience is new and unique. And they know stuff. And have strong principles (logic be damned). We saw in for 10 years in the Ron Paul candidacy…folks who really, really, believed in the man’s candidacy, simply would not accept the rules of the party game and listen to how they could, if they followed leadership, bring in the delegate votes for their man, and tear down a lot of the corruption in the state. Nope, they knew best. And they lost. And went away disgruntled.
So human we are.
Years ago, an old, politically worn country Justice of the Peace told me almost everyone who gets elected to office suddenly gets a new set of brains. Somewhat off topic, but your post somehow made me think of his experienced educarion.
Wolfie, don’t know if you saw this on the Adverse Interests thread, but in case you didn’t I’m posting here. I thought it was interesting and thought you might think so, too.
“JW in Germany
40m ago
I posted this earlier as a reply to Daniel but would like to repeat it as a stand alone comment for other Treepers to analyze:
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I have been back and forth on the legitimacy of Q. Either way, I never saw the problem with people learning about the DC corruption—even if the source of learning about the corruption was Q—LARP or not. At the same time, I see Sundance’s concern—I think I need more time to ponder it.
I will take this another step that will likely get me a lot of heat here. I have made the point in the past about ‘controlled opposition’ and the possibility of the existence of SEVERAL LAYERS of controlled opposition that catches the spillage as people realize that the layer that they were on is corrupted—people look for a place where they believe they are being enlightened so they fall down to the next layer—“You can trust us. We have been exposing Fox News and talk radio for quite some time.”
See where I am going with this?
As Sundance always points out—$$$TRILLIONS are at stake. So why would the enemy not have a multilayered system of protection as INSURANCE to their investment? Business 101—protect your investments.
This is just theory of how it might look—a system of redundant pressure release valves so to speak to prevent a massive revolt. Divide the opposition into manageable smaller groups—united we are strong:
Fox News = layer 1.
Talk radio = layer 2.
Blogs = layer 3.
“Anon” Message boards = layer 4.
Here it comes. I have even wondered at times about CTH. That is not meant as disrespect to anybody doing honest work—just an honest thought process trying to find the Truth.
At this point, I am skeptical about EVERYBODY—simply due to the fact that there is so much money and power involved. How far will people go to achieve and protect it?
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Let me be clear, I am not saying that I believe or know Sundance and CTH or anybody else are part of my THEORETICAL multi-layered system of controlled opposition. My simple question is: How do we really know about anything? I personally try to account for all POSSIBILITIES until they are eliminated.
After eliminating all impossibilities—the Truth is the Truth no matter how improbable it may seem.
This has always been my criticism about putting too much reliance on the use of Occam’s Razor. Thinking outside the box IS HEALTHY—and it seems to me to be ever more suppressed here at CTH. I may be wrong.”
I just posted this, in response to Sundance:
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2018/11/09/snorkel-extensions/comment-page-2/#comment-6305264
It’s a bit late for him to ignore Q now, Wolf…after spending the past few days going nuclear on Q.
And now he has come up with a ‘noble reason’ to justify doing it — he’s doing it because Q is dangerous!
Q *IS* dangerous. Dangerous to Sundance and the Treehouse if SD keeps this up, or follows whatever toxic lead he was given!
That Jello post was saying exactly what Q says – and SD says it proves Q is dangerous! WTF!!! LOL.
W – don’t know if you’re going to write about it or not, but, as night follows day, there is ANOTHER hit piece (ostensibly written in “gentle” prose) over on CTH today knocking Q again.
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2018/11/10/adverse-interests-the-danger-within-the-q-phenomenas-current-messaging/
Rules for Radicals, anyone?
Oh, and I do NOT suggest reading any of the snarc comments. Truly disgusting and not in keeping with the CTH I once knew.
I commented there! I saved the posts as images. I’m trying to talk SD off the ledge – give him a way out. Something weird is up. I think he’s being misled. They got to him somehow.
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2018/11/09/snorkel-extensions/comment-page-2/#comment-6305264
Great response, Wolf – I concur totally. Your suggestion ensure the least amount of ripples. Banning and other strong action automatically engenders a push back, especially from natural “free speechers”, which these days are only to be found amongst conservative types.
Good – you see what I’m saying.
There is a lot of very weird stuff going on right now. More and more the RADICAL left is panicking. My theory of their collusion with Putin as the finale of a 100-year socialist plan is gelling nicely for me. If that is TRUE, then the exit will be exciting but relatively straightforward. My guess is that DECLAS is part of the key. My guess is also that they have a MASSIVE DROP on the left already. MASSIVE.
Q is being challenged to possibly even self-legitimize. MASSIVE election fraud is now apparent to everybody. And THAT has me thinking….
Did they catch it with Doug Jones? Why say nothing then? BECAUSE SESSIONS wasn’t ready to TAKE THE SEAT. But not in 2022. When that election is declared INVALID. SOON. If I am right about that, SOON.
I’m laughing about the Doug Jones/Jeff Sessions point. If this is so, that would be SO HUGE! Talk about a mic drop.
The immediate talk by Sessions about going back to the Senate made me keep it in my head. But I was thinking, “2022 – that’s a long time!” Then I thought about all the cheating NOW. Then I remembered all the accusations of cheating in that special election, and the way those cheating Dems pulled out all the stops with Gloria All-Red. BOOM. If they’re cheating like that now, with the Ford hoax, and they hoaxed back then with Allred, then they probably cheated the vote back then, too.
Yeah – hilarious if Sessions goes right back into the Senate. And THAT sounds like something they might have actually PLANNED at some point.
Wolfie, we know the voter fraud has been going on forever. But the Left really seems to have ratcheted up their level of chicanery and sharpened their tools.
I had Fox & Friends on this morning and they had the former Minnesota Senator Norm Coleman on for a short interview. You may recall he was a moderate Republican who was taken out by AL FRICKIN’ FRANKEN of all the bufoonish fools on the planet. It was a very narrow margin, also, just a few hundred votes. It was interesting because it was Mark Elias, the Perkins Coie Clinton fixer who ensured Al Franken won and who is now in Florida practicing his dark arts.
Senator Coleman talked about how he and his crew were just outlawyered. Completely. They were playing Minnesota Nice and were unprepared for the level that Mark Elias brought to it. And he mentioned that Mark Elias of Perkins Coie was the same one who took the successful practice run on this whole technique in Washington State in 2008 when they stole the gubernatorial election from GOP winner Dino Rossi and gave it to Dim Chris Gregoire.
That stolen election (again, about 300 votes found in a box in the boiler room of a polling place or the back of someone’s car…) was the nail in the coffin for any future Washington State statewide Republican wins. Since then it has been a steady onslaught of Leftist election tactics that get trotted out in Washington State first to see if they work and then they are mobilized around the country.
How I would cheer if the Doug Jones debacle got “undone.”
I think that Perkins Coie is going to be……
Let’s just say that I would not be betting on its future.
Oh, I SO hope you are right! And actually, I believe you are. I don’t think Perkins Coie is going to be allowed to do the devils’ work much longer.
Wow, there’s an intriguing thought!
Hi red, glad to see you here!
Came over right after W announced. There are many more of us “originals” (CTH) than are known. Hang in there, Sylvia, Trump’s got this.
Hi Redleg, I have re-emerged here after being banned by Sundance for having the temerity to strongly argue against his “leverage” nonsense. I agree that POTUS has GOT this, to the extent that much is being done behind the scenes, as you would expect. The outcome remains uncertain, but chess pieces are being moved into place – the tension is palpable!
Nothing I have seen since the election negates my (and others) take that Sessions has played a role in a “sting” operation that has now moved into a new phase. That view is now total heresy over at the CTH, so it in fact suits me not to be welcome there any more.
Its getting late in Aus, so heading to bed.
Be safe … be strong … WWG1WGA
Sundance’s whole “Let’s not mention Q” post is having the expected outcome that “Everyone is talking about Q”.
Furthermore, the fact that it is out in the open that we “should not talk about Q” means that the enemy agents can point to Sundance’s post to say “See, those Trump people are trying to hide what they are doing from us” – also having the opposite effect to Sundance’s purported aim. Clearly Sundance is not dumb, so to echo Wolfmoon – “What is his aim”?
Clearly Sundance is NOT employing his much loved Occam’s Razor in this instance, so what gives?
pjasond, great question. It really bugs me. What the heck is going on with SD? And I agree with what you pointed out, “don’t talk about Q” means everyone is weighing in on Q. I just don’t get it.
Tough to go to bed with all this going on! Sylvia, all I’ve got is that “Disinformation is the name of the game”.
If the “sting” theory is correct, AND Sundance concurs, then what he is doing makes sense. His defence will be the same as POTUS’s after all is said and done – We HAD to sow disinfo cause the stakes were too high”.
If the sting theory is wrong, and NOTHING is being done behind the scenes as Sundance claims – then what Sundance is doing makes no sense. ALSO, if he is correct, then there is just a couple of disconnected “white hats” working independently to save the USA, with NO coordination from POTUS, whose stated aim is to save the country by “draining the swamp” – this is clearly beyond “silly” – to use a word that Sundance threw at me!!
So, “sting” theory it remains, with lots of disinfo thrown in, as would be the norm for any half decent sting.
I am so tired. I keep trying to go to sleep and then my eyes spring open and I’m back. Lots going on in my brain, not of it terribly useful however.
FWIW, your theory makes sense to me.
Yes. ^^^^
Hi Jane, good to see you over here – formerly JasonD
Cheers, Jason
Thank you Jason. Glad you are here also. I’m betting many more of the other free speechers will be here also. 🙂
I don’t know if I’m doing this right, but I am trying to post a link to CTH’s Adverse Interests thread, specifically a post by Gregory J. Ferguson. He wrote a long and gently worded defense of Q. I know that a lot of you know a lot more about Q than I do, but he mentioned Peter Thiel and Palatin in regards to Q. Anyway, I thought it was worth reading!
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2018/11/10/adverse-interests-the-danger-within-the-q-phenomenas-current-messaging/comment-page-2/#comments
That was a good one!
Here it is, Sylvia:
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2018/11/10/adverse-interests-the-danger-within-the-q-phenomenas-current-messaging/comment-page-2/#comment-6305990
You can get the comment link by mousing over the date line under the commenters name, then copying the link.
I have to say that I’m jealous that because I live on the West Coast that when I woke up this morning and saw that thread it already had over 600 comments. So I missed all the fireworks here and there.
After reading SD’s post, I think that’s a really weird reason to claim that Q is dangerous – because then the dems and fake news can use Q to claim that POTUS is colluding to take Mueller down??? Come on. When you look at the vast number of Q drops, Q doesn’t really talk about Mueller all that much. He did recently describe how Mueller is keeping the sh#t from hitting the fan by holding the classified material that would be needed to take people down. But there never has been any long discussions of taking Mueller down. Mueller has been the least of the Q drops.
Too much of what SD says is easily disproved by just reading the Q drops. So either he hasn’t read them in their entirety, or he is using this as an excuse. And he seems to think those 2 clowns with Bill Mitchell are Q. I don’t know where he got that idea, but that is also easily disproved. Which is strange, because SD is much better at research than that.
Thanks Linda. And I’ve come to the same conclusion that SDs thoughts on Q are effective only for those folks who don’t actually know anything about Q. For anyone who has looked into it to any degree at all have to be reading with jaws agape like I was wondering WTH??? SD’s research is always so good, and here it is non existent. Something smells funny.
I am thinking that SD used that pic as kind of an inside joke to ridicule people who are interested in Q. I vaguely remember a warning he posted about the con men in the pic.
Saw that and thought it was real good also.
Checking Praying Medic today… he has a THREAD. Here’s a piece:
The thread is very long… I was struck by one word, have read no further, had to bring it here.
“Dangerous”
Thanks PR. Just saw your post. I’ll for sure read this in a bit. Appreciate the heads up.
I FINALLY got to this Praying Medic thread and read it over a couple of times. Pretty interesting stuff. I think I’ll post about it in the Wolf’s daily thread. Thanks for alerting us to this PR.
Saw this link on the now infamous “Beware of Q” post on CTH. I hope that I’m not intruding, but I just needed a little “breather” from a place that I no longer recognize.
Glad to see some of my favorite posters on here, as well.
I started off being extremely critical of Q, but became more open-minded over time. Even when I wasn’t on board with Q, I never felt the need to attack people who followed Q. A simple scrolling past the content was all it took.
While I respect SD’s research, I’m starting to feel very uncomfortable with the push to censor those who are Q supporters. Are we not all in the same foxhole? I guess not.
Ironic that a place that purports to reject elitist conservatism has morphed into a place that advocates for elitist MAGA. Very disheartening.
Welcome! Just got your post out of moderation. First two or three will go there! Good comments.
Thank you, wolfmoon, and no worries. I’m glad that this place exists.
good to see you here MysticRose…
Likewise 😃.
MysticRose I’m glad to see you! Your experience is really similar to mine. You expressed how I have been feeling to a T.
Wolfmoon just posted a great new opening post called Am I Still A Treeper? Very thought provoking.
So good to see you too, Sylvia 😃.
Yep, just saw it and commented. Glad that Wolfmoon made that post!
I just posted the following on CTH’s Q thread at 2 p.m.
“Interestingly, there were a minuscule number of Q posts in comparison to other on topic posts, over the last year, UNTIL, anti-Q posters baited the poster of Q posts, or others into an argument which then resulted the thread to down spiral.”
Very interesting.
Did anyone notice Erik Holders twitter background pick?
twitter.com/ericholder?lang=en
Is that MLK’s flame or Kennedy’s? Either way it’s a real sin for that communist to stand there.
To me it’s a sign that he is going to go down in flames with the rest of them.
Burn in hell? Ahh…. there’s a thought.
You know what, Plain Jane, I think you are right. I hadn’t tumbled to that but I think you are right on the money. Q wasn’t all that big a deal. I was annoyed by the posts of Q enthusiasts but it was no big thing to just scroll by until I finally decided I needed to check it out for myself and see what the buzz was about.
That annoyed me further, ha ha. But I kept going back and reading and wondering. I don’t think I ever posted anything on CTH about Q other than being annoyed by the riddle aspect of it all, but as I paid closer attention to Qanon the more things started to make me wonder, and think.
And as that happened a bunch of people started food fights about Q, which I think I mostly ignored even as it harshed my mellow. And even reading the threads in the last day or two the Anit Q people blame in on the “Q Cult.” It is distressingly like the Left does. Projection.
My guess is the anti-Q thread will increase the number of people seeking out Q posts, except for the pseudo intellectual mimickers.
Yes….same here. Initially, I found the Q posts mildly annoying but harmless (before I became more open to Q, of course). Certainly nothing that warranted a response for me. I just skipped over them as I did other posts of little or no interest to me.
I’m honestly not bothered if people don’t believe in Q (their right); I’m bothered by the attacks by those who choose to believe in Q. I expect libs to engage in name-calling and belittling others. I don’t expect that from people who are supposedly on our side.
*OF those who believe in Q
We knew what you meant. 🙂
Exactly. I don’t care if people don’t believe in Q. I don’t feel the need to convince them. Meh. Up to them.
But the sharpness of the attacks against people who follow Q has just been gobsmacking. If you follow Q, you are evil and must be destroyed. What the heck is that? A lefty tactic. Why are we behaving like antifa now?
Honestly, reading that exchange with covfefe999 Wolf posted in Am I A Treeper made me think a bike lock was going to be pulled at any minute and deployed against Nebraska Filly. I’m still kind of shocked.
It’s very weird that America is doing a digital reenactment of 1930’s Germany. I think we are the Q-hovah’s Witnesses. Either that or the Qews.
You know, in this world we live in I’m afraid to even say things like that but you gotta know I have been thinking it today. Sort of a “so, is this what it felt like?” thing.
Except you made me LMAO!!!
I’ve ben thinking 1938 for a while. Then with more and more antiJewishsentiment and attacks on genuine Cristianity, it looks more and more like it to me.
Q kept warning that these American socialists are a lot like Nazis. D’Souza, too. Even “Deep State Navy Jack” (guy on Twitter from oathkeepers who infiltrated ANTIFA) kept saying their stuff was Nazi-like when he got into their HQ and dug through it.
But it makes sense. They’re not ideologically honest – they’re just interested in what takes over. THAT is why the KPD and Nazis were BOTH created in Germany – it’s kind of like “evolutionary testing” in various development programs and software, where they just let stuff compete to see what works.
After the war, the surviving Germans who kept the socialist parties just HID that aspect – it’s too explosive.
This makes sense. Socialism just wants to take over. It doesn’t care what it uses. Again – Nazis in Ukraine. Hillary didn’t care – just whatever works.
Reply to Wolfmoon, his reply below starting “Q warned that these American socialists are a lot like Nazis.” to this post.
Must reading:
The Ominous Parallels by Dr. Leonard Peikoff
In some ways the first MAGA book, this came out in the 80s, shortly after novelist/philosopher Ayn Rand’s death. It is by a PhD philosophy professor who was one of her closest associates, and was written with a lot of input from her.
It compares and contrasts the cultures and political philosophies of three distinct times and places, America in the time of the 18th century Enlightenment (Founding Fathers and Framers,) Germany in the 1920s, 30s, and WWII, and America in the late 20th century.
Its conclusion is that America’s founding was a unique event in history which created the first society that liberated the human mind so that ordinary people could live in peace, thrive economically, and create a magnificent world.
But, tragically, America in the 20th century, while it still possessed a few native heirloom ideas, documents, and institutions handed down from the time of its origins, had had most of its culture highjacked by professors and other intellectuals. These bad actors had, over several generations, imported alien German philosophical ideas that were hostile to reason, hostile to the Enlightenment, and hostile to the concept of America.
The result is that our whole society, even by the early 80s, had veered dramatically Leftwards, forsaking much of its own identity as the land of rights, fairness, individualism, dignity, technology, and achievement. In fact, inspired by these backward-looking “progressive” socialists in almost every department of the university, the United States was on a long-term slide towards authoritarianism, and even to totalitarianism, of the darkest European models.
The Ominous Parallels‘ dramatic predictions of a future Nazi Amerika, that may have seemed far-fetched in era of Ronald Reagan, when read afresh today are more and more gut-wrenching with each new headline of FBI bugging of Trump Tower, of outrages against the First Amendment by the anti-FA thugs (whose organization was founded in Germany during the early Nazi Era,) and of violent anti-Semitic attacks on our soil.
But, on a brighter note, Peikoff’s book also presents positive developments in the world of ideas that give hope for the future, if enough Americans embrace logic, and return to their roots as a pro-reason, future-oriented, culturally revolutionary society.
Like most, I’m suffering from election fatigue…
I haven’t posted at regular thread at CTH today… seems too negative to even read.
Took a peek at SD’s article (1st one)… chewed on it a bit, and then wrote my farewell post.
So Wolf Moon… am I to understand you would like this to be more of a ‘research’ board. Would you elaborate on that a bit. Research of what in particular?
I think we may be able to expand on Q’s stuff with more of a Treeper-like focus – avoiding some of the goofier interpretations that Q himself tends to bad down, and following in the footsteps of Praying Medic, who tends to be very rational. I think there is a lot of room toward that end of the spectrum.
Thanks for the clarity Wolf…
Here’s some undated info on Praying Medic:
prayingmedic
Published on Nov 10, 2018
Youtube has taken action against my channel. Until further notice, I will not be posting Q related videos here.
My Q videos can be found here:
https://prayingmedic.com/
https://vimeo.com/prayingmedic
https://prayingmedic.podbean.com/
bit.ly/PM_iTunes
Thank you for your prayers and support.
Wondering at what point they arrest us.
Wolfmoon1776, they much prefer harrassment. I lived through 10 years of it and it was as if they had me on a timer, after 10 years it stopped suddenly and totally.
Wow. Was it political? Personal? Sounds horrible! So glad it stopped!
Business related.
Got it! Thanks – OMG – very lucky you are – THAT stuff leads to violence faster than anything.
Judy, curious as to when exactly it stopped, if you don’t mind the question.
Zoe, it ended in 2007.
Hi Wolf,
Sundance banned me early this morning, for asking basic questions that exposed his misunderstanding.
He appears to be trying, from his own blog, to influence millions of people who read Q’s posts to ‘change’ their collective ‘narrative’, and he layered it with as much condescension as possible. Saying it was okay to keep making money off the Q hoax if they need to, just change the narrative so it doesn’t hurt DJT.
I asked straight up, if Q is a hoax, a lie, a fraud, then EXPOSE it and END it, don’t CODDLE it.
Which is more feasible, which is more efficient, which is actually possible? To convince millions of Q-readers to change their ‘narrative’ (as if we control it…), or just have DJT spend 5 seconds to Tweet “Q is fake folks, they have nothing to do with my administration!” ?
It’s a simple question.
If ‘Q’ is actually hurting DJT, nobody knows that better than DJT.
And if ‘Q’ is a hoax, or a malicious LARP being perpetrated by some outside entity, no one can kill it so quickly or completely as DJT.
That simple truth blows up Sundance’s entire ‘narrative’.
So he banned me.
I consider that a victory.
He had no answer, he couldn’t address the most basic questions exposing the errors of his own reasoning, so he censors and bans that which he cannot answer.
After thinking about it more today, I began to wonder about SD himself. Does anybody KNOW SD in real life? Apparently he lives in Florida. But does anybody KNOW him?
Because his posts the last few days, especially about Q, seem completely out of character. Especially the “Let me start by saying I mean no disrespect to those individuals who enjoy the riddles posted by an unknown entity who writes under the nom de plume “Q”. However, the time has come where aspects within the well promoted “Q narrative” are now a risk and must be addressed. Please bear with me….”
After giving the green light to the bots and the Q-critics to unleash on anyone who is at least open-minded toward Q, the opening above seems either schizophrenic or that wasn’t posted by Sundance at all.
SD has mentioned on a few occasions that things could get dangerous for him.
So can anyone actually (physically) check on SD, to confirm that he’s okay, that CTH wasn’t hacked and now planting controversy to attack Q?
Something seems very ‘off’ about this whole thing.
Glad I found your website,
Scott
Hi Scott! Sorry I didn’t approve before READING – OMG – wow. I need to think about this, because you pose an excellent problem. I have some thoughts there. But I want to mull them over.
Thanks for making this place, I only saw one reference to it a day or two ago. I bookmarked it but hadn’t had time to check it out yet. Then I was banned, so I checked it and found lots of familiar ‘faces’ I was glad to see 😁
I found CTH via a Treeper who posted a link to CTH in a Breitbart comments section, around the time DJT announced he was running for president, and spent most of my online posting time at CTH since then.
I was banned once in the early going, probably because I was too combative, the result of spending a couple years, about 25k posts, fighting Leftist crazies in the free-for-all ‘comments’ sections on Breitbart.
So I had to tone it down a little for CTH. I think my original CTH name was Scott327 or Scott888. If I remember right, a few weeks after they banned me, I signed back up at CTH with a new email address as Scott467. I’m sure they knew it was me, I wasn’t trying to hide it, but they let me stay.
They suspended me a few times in the first year or two, but then Ad-rem would lift the suspension. No suspensions for a long time now, until today (yesterday, I guess).
I don’t know if I’m ‘banned’ or ‘suspended’, or what the difference is, if any. I can’t post and I can’t ‘like’ anyone’s posts at CTH either way. Well, I can post, but the posts don’t show up on the CTH website.
If there is a way to get your website some publicity over at CTH, I suspect there are more than a few who will be banned soon or who will take the subtle hints that they aren’t welcome there anymore, and would be very interested in finding your blog here. 👍
The hostility from the Q-haters at CTH has really been something to behold. I didn’t recognize a lot of the screen-names either, seemed like a lot of new people. Certainly SD knows who the long-time Treepers are and who the new accounts are, and yet he let the new members hammer anybody who was open-minded about ‘Q’ at will.
Very strange goings on.
Thanks for this post!
I just went over to CTH. It’s NORMAL right now. All the haters and loudmouths are GONE. Only the angels are there. The devils are all gone.
You know what this means – right?
Have patience, folks. They think they’ve split the board. Let them keep thinking it for a while.
Excellent points, Scott. You are exactly right. POTUS could end all this in a minute with 1 tweet. I couldn’t believe all the posts claiming that DJT doesn’t know this is going on, and yet his rallies are filled with people wearing Q t-shirts and Q signs are everywhere. Of course he knows about it. And the fact that he hasn’t ended it is as big a proof as any.
Another thing – DJT gets his uncensored message out on Twitter and has ever since he began his campaign. But Twitter is getting more and more censored all the time. Gateway Pundit had a post that DJT has lost billions of page views in Facebook because of censorship. So it isn’t hard at all for me to imagine him finding another outlet to get the message out and add a lot more detail to what is really going on. And one that has so far given him plausible deniability. The panicky reaction by the news media alone is an indication that this is not a LARP. I’m more convinced than ever before that Q is real – not all their posts as some are obviously disinformation – that there is a group working behind the scenes to take down the Deep State.
Scott, I have been on the Trump train since he came down the escalator and announced he was running. I have been awake nights praying for him for hours every night. At first I thought that would end once President Trump was elected, but it has become more intense. I believe he was chosen by God for this time and this purpose.
I found aim4truth.org during that time and at first I thought it was good. Then I found that the people who run it are Deep State and New Age Sophia Worshippers. They were promoting Trump but something was way off. I found CTH. Sundance’s articles are often linked there which made me question him eventually. I found Q and 8 chan and the more I studied Q, the more I believed it was where I belonged. I tried once to comment on 8 chan but they made it clear that I should not because I use my own name, but I read Q and 8 chan every day.
Then aim4truth did an extreme attack on Q.
CTH started giving the opinion that the Deep State must survive and somehow things will resolve with no justice being done. I was still reading and commenting on CTH but I had lost confidence in them.
I liked Judicial Watch but when I found that Fitton is featured on aim4truth a lot, I lost confidence in him.
I watched Corsi take over the Great Awakening youtube streaming group and destroy it.
What I see happening to President Trump’s supporters is what was done to the Tea Party. It was infiltrated and just fell apart. The rallies, tweets and Q keep us together.
I really believe now that CTH is controlled opposition. I was not going to comment anymore on CTH and then I saw the article on Q and commented. When I went back to see if anyone answered, I found the link to this site. I am so glad I did not lose you all.
I am so glad that you are all here and Wolfmoon has given us a place to gather. I think it is interesting that all of the CTH commenters that I liked the most are here. I didn’t even know until now that you liked Q but I did know that you liked the truth.
Hi Scott and Elizabeth – interesting times. Myself (formerly JasonD) and a couple of others (Dan’s “small branch” guys) got banned from the TH about a month ago. Some of my comments on that blog post got deleted, some stayed. I just saw that Scott got banned, went to check – ALL Scott’s comments on that “Q be bad” blog appear to be gone. WTH?
Since when do real conservatives ban and eliminate the speech of patriots? Something very fishy going on.
Wolf, not sure if this is an ethical suggestion, but if the TH is ACTIVELY eliminating voices and forcing others to self censor, why not directly contact those voices of reason over there to move here BEFORE they get disappeared?
If you think it is kosher, we can list the names of those that appear to be on the outs over there and attempt to contact as many as possible to join in here – that seems to be what “Sundance” wants anyway?
People are free to mention this place to any person they see bashed for talking Q-isms over there. I think Sundance would welcome our help in getting Q stuff off his site, if we are discrete and not argumentative. Simply replying with the URL and a short message to go there for Q talk should not be very controversial.
“wqth.wordpress.com for Treeper Q talk”
Hi Jason, I’m glad you’re here and sorry you got 86’d, too.
I like your idea! I hate thinking of others over there stranded without a home. However, I need to say this. I kind of landed on the Q Tree doorstep one night after some ugly stuff happened over there and Wolf took me in. But I didn’t really know where I was landing other than with a familiar name.
Now that I am kind of getting over the complete shock of the sudden change at the TH and finding my footing a bit here, I see that Wolf has had a particular vision in mind with the Q Tree. He views this as a research board about Q.
So, in my mind’s eye I see Wolf scurrying around with extra blankets and making coffee and scrambling eggs for all of us who have landed on his doorstep, but I’m not sure that Wolfie is prepared to be the NEW Treehouse, exactly.
I’m not trying to speak for him, I’m just not sure that’s what he wants. However, I know I’d like another Treehouse where I feel like speech is free and minds are open. I just don’t know if Wolf can accomodate us.
Frankly, I know very little at all. If I knew more, I’d open up my own Treehouse where we could all hang out. Again.
Maybe we can put our heads together and come up with a plan that works for all of us???
Hi Sylvia. Great suggestion re putting heads together.
I am currently in transition personally. My wife and I “separated” ( physically, not emotionally) for 2 years whilst we shepherded our 16yo daughter into a ballet career in London (I know, I know, London ugh). I am winding up my job in Tasmania (our former home state in Aus) and joining my wife in Sydney, but going via a holiday in South Africa to spend 3 weeks in January with my 83yo mother and other family and friends. South Africa is literally teetering on the edge of the precipice ….
Sorry for all the personal stuff, but I find that it always helps to understand our fellows better, especially on the “interwebs” where nom de plumes are the order of the day.
So long story short, I plan to become more active online after I start my “new” life in February ’19 and hope to be able to contribute in a more material way then.
Cheers, Jason
WOW are you ever carrying a load! I hope you stay in touch with us. I am sure we will figure this out in short order. Meanwhile, Wolf has been generous to put out guideposts so we could find our way here, and we will find our way forward, too.
Stay safe, and I hope you stay with us.
Oh, I’m staying as long as Wolfmoon will have me! I will be commenting as much as I can, just won’t be able to get involved on a deeper level in the next 3-4 months.
Thanks for that – Jason
Hi Jason, good to see you!
It’s always odd when you notice regulars aren’t around anymore, and you don’t know if they left for their own reasons or whether they were banned.
And with the atmosphere recently over at CTH, it makes me wonder if we might be banned just for asking about those Treepers who seem to have suddenly ‘disappeared’.
Elizabeth, I’m glad to see you found this place. Your post was really interesting. JW from Germany (if I got the name right) posted a bit about controlled opposition on the Q thread just questioning gently and of course got scorched.
And yes, we have seen what has happened with other sites, other movements like the Tea Party. And it can’t help but raise questions for me.
To ElizaethCarter, appreciated your comments so much, wante to post this after your post but my computer ismaking commenting almost impossible.
“I found aim4truth.org during that time and at first I thought it was good. Then I found that the people who run it are Deep State and New Age Sophia Worshippers. ”
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Same here. The guy (can’t remember his name) at Aim4truth was too insufferable for me to continue listening to for long. He was constantly calling himself a genius, and saying how if we were as smart as he is, we would figure out some things, and then the people behind the ‘matrix’ would reach out to you and usher you into the ‘insider club’, and he just sounded like someone who had lost his mind.
It seemed like they were publishing some good information, but I just couldn’t take the guy’s personality anymore. Then I found out about the Sophia stuff, and then their full-bore attack on Q that you mentioned.
I tried to watch Tracey Beanz’ videos for a while, but something seemed off. Col. Roy Potter (the ‘Potter Expositor’ on youtube) was interesting when Q first started, but then he went off the rails. I still check Roy from time to time, he has an interesting perspective, but he is anti-Q without ever considering that if Q isn’t who he claims to be, why doesn’t DJT just reveal it?
Nobody can answer that question.
BP Earthwatch seems level-headed, but he was kicked off Youtube recently, and his website isn’t as easy to use. I check Lionel Nation a couple times a week, Stealth Jeff / Wictor / Paine occasionally, and I do like the ‘You are Free TV’ lady on youtube. I don’t know a lot about some of the subject matter she covers, but she often gathers a lot of interesting information on subjects covered at CTH (and/or about Q) with a unique perspective that I find interesting, and she is usually positive and upbeat.
If there are others who people can recommend, I’m all ears, always glad to find good information sources. And if any of those mentioned above have issues I should be aware of, I appreciate being made aware of that, too.
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“CTH started giving the opinion that the Deep State must survive and somehow things will resolve with no justice being done. I was still reading and commenting on CTH but I had lost confidence in them.”
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This is something else very weird about CTH. There is always this implied ‘alternate universe’ SD alludes to but never explains, where ‘leverage’ is the currency and ‘law’ doesn’t exist, but he never explains how that can be, or what would happen if ‘Law’ ever confronted ‘Leverage’.
He just wants us to accept his premise. And I also noticed, as you mention, that he seemed resigned that no justice would be done. Extremely defeatist, which seems not only out of character, but counterproductive and demoralizing.
Conditioning people to accept that there would be no justice is very strange. And right on cue, multiple people would start posting that they’re ‘okay if no justice is ever done, the important thing is to focus on the future’, or words to that effect.
Drove me nuts. If there is no justice, if the people committing these crimes against our nation are never held to account, then there can be no restoration of the rule of law. And if there is no restoration of the rule of law, then what kind of future is that?!?
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“I watched Corsi take over the Great Awakening youtube streaming group and destroy it. ”
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I really enjoyed Corsi’s livestreams at first, every time Q posted. But then Q made some comments about Corsi not being completely on the up-and-up, and Corsi began attacking Q, which blew his own cover.
The two ‘Q’ commentators I like currently are Praying Medic and Neon Revolt.
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“What I see happening to President Trump’s supporters is what was done to the Tea Party. It was infiltrated and just fell apart. The rallies, tweets and Q keep us together.”
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Hopefully that is not happening, or at least won’t follow through to the same conclusion. If ‘Q’ is who he/they claim to be, then I’m confident things are on track. If ‘Q’ is NOT who he/they claim to be, then WHY does the administration allow ‘Q’ to continue misleading MILLIONS of DJT supporters, both here in America and around the world?
Nobody has an answer to that…
Great comments – thanks!
Scott, just want to say how sorry I am you were banned. You do have that confrontational style, but even when it was aimed at me, inever took it personally, and you really drill down into things. Also came to realize I do not trust AIM for Truth, and isn’t that Thomas Payne, he has so many different monikers it makes my head spin. I was fascinated for a while, but when I saw the Sofia stuff, that was the end, then I started questioning other things. Not sure how much longer I can post here as having bad computer problems on this site, oddly not on CTH. Just want to say to Sylvia, Elizabeth Carter, EmeraldStar, Mystic Rose, ChurchMouse and others from CTH how glad I am to see you all here, and thank you WolfMoon, and I will be lurking. Appreciate you all.
Thanks so much for the “shout-out”, Zoe!
It’s been a value and a comfort, having you around, with your well-grounded perspective! It’s becoming rarer and rare these days.
Good luck with the computer issues in re posting – and I will keep you in mind!
Have a wonderful Sunday!
Emeraldstar
Thank you, EmeraldStar. I needed some encouragement. This is the only blog of the 24 I am registered on that is giving me a problem, even CTH. I’ll see if this will post.
YW, Zoe!!! 😀
Hi Zoe,
Thank you for your kind words, it’s never fun to be ‘banned’, especially from a place you like and spend a lot of time — especially when they don’t even notify you or tell you WHY, you just notice that your posts don’t show up in the comments section anymore.
I try very much to be confrontational toward the subject or the argument, and NOT confrontational toward the individual, but I don’t know how well I succeed or not at that, and it is easy to be misunderstood, especially in a written format.
I am sorry that I came across as confrontational with you, and I am glad you did not take it personally. Unlike most other places, I know that with most of the people on CTH, we’re all on the same side. I’m used to fighting Leftists on websites like Breitbart, essentially a free-fire zone where you can be attacked by multiple people at any moment and need to defend yourself accordingly, but that is a very different ‘crowd’ and environment than at a place like CTH.
I hope I didn’t say anything mean-spirited to you, in the heat of a debate or otherwise. I’m sorry just the same. Sometimes I do get a little carried away, usually out of frustration, and usually I regret doing so afterwards.
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” Also came to realize I do not trust AIM for Truth, and isn’t that Thomas Payne, he has so many different monikers it makes my head spin.”
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Now that you mention it, I think the Aim4Truth guy is named Thomas, but I don’t think it’s Thomas Paine, that’s the moniker used by the guy behind TruePundit.com, and he is definitely a different guy (completely different voice) than the Thomas on Aim4Truth.com
I hope your Internet connection issues to this website can be resolved, your posts do seem to be coming through, so hang in there!
I was surprised to learn you had been banned, Scott. To my knowledge your comments never attacked individuals. Your insights I always found brilliant and clear. You know your stuff and you are smart. If there is no give-and-take for individuals like you over there, there will be none for any of us.
Thank you, Scott. I was Singular on CTH, or I . I saw your heart, but thank you for explaining.
Scott, I’ve traveled much of the same path as you in checking out “voices” and listening until I find the voice no longer resonates or that they are more impressed with their own voice than the information they are sharing.
I still have a lot of naivete in initial encounters but that “initial” span continues to decrease in time…so many options, so little time…and a tipping point always occurs if it’s not where I need to be. AIM4Truth is Douglas Gabriel and like a few others I have a whole history on that dude but could I find it now, likely not because in the whole scheme of things he’s on a very low level and definitely a Limited Hangout who tells just enough truth to reel people in but the rest is to throw you out in the weeds and make you think it’s green grass.
All of it is designed to be very compartmentalized and people are only doing their part but when you watch and listen, connections begin to appear and they begin to spread out much like Sundance demonstrates so well. I read someone commented how his twitter account grew to a very large # from a smaller # and don’t recall if it was you but I can’t find the comment now. In the interest of understanding the “CTH shift”,
it would be helpful to know the time frame that increase occurred in and the website #’s. #’s are huge in determining whose radar you show up on, oh, and they send in such “helpful people” to gain your trust…
For the most part, if I see something, I say something if it comes from deep inside me because I came to understand a long time ago there are a limited # of people who would visit me in prison and none of the “helpful people” would even admit they ever interacted with me but I also discovered a long time ago that I am not a big dog and I find the porch very nice and comfy! 🙂
“I really believe now that CTH is controlled opposition.”
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The same thought crossed my mind… but how can it be? CTH taught many of us about ‘controlled opposition’.
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“I was not going to comment anymore on CTH and then I saw the article on Q and commented. When I went back to see if anyone answered, I found the link to this site. I am so glad I did not lose you all.”
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Me too! 👍 😁
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“I am so glad that you are all here and Wolfmoon has given us a place to gather. I think it is interesting that all of the CTH commenters that I liked the most are here. I didn’t even know until now that you liked Q but I did know that you liked the truth.”
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Glad to find you here too Elizabeth, and everyone else I see here!
Very happy indeed.
Almost ‘relieved’, even 👍
“Almost ‘relieved’ even.”
Yup. Feels like home to me.
Scott, glad you’re here. I’ve been reading your posts and wondering how long you would be allowed to continue. I guess that question is answered.
“Because his posts the last few days, especially about Q, seem completely out of character. ”
Yes. That has utterly baffled me. Utterly. And I have wondered all kinds of crazy things. I have wondered:
Has SD been replaced by a pod person?
Has SD developed a raging ego and is jealous of the Q phenomenon?
Has the CTH become big enough, and lucrative enough, that SD has made a commercial decision to go “next level” (whatever that means) and sees any Q ties as a hindrance?
Has SD been hacked?
Has SD been in some fashion taken over/sold out?
Good lord, has he or his family been threatened?
Something is just profoundly off kilter.
“Scott, glad you’re here. I’ve been reading your posts and wondering how long you would be allowed to continue. I guess that question is answered.”
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Hi Sylvia, very happy to see you 🙂
I’ve been wondering myself the last couple days, how long they would let me continue. Almost seemed like SD was setting up a situation in order to effect a ‘purge’.
I was trying to be as non-confrontational as I could be the last couple days… with varying degrees of success, lol!
It’s NOT easy when some poster, whose name I don’t recognize, and who clearly doesn’t understand what he’s talking about, is basically shouting you down, and the gang-tackle ‘pile on’ is in full swing.
I don’t know what else SD can expect us to do but defend ourselves, if he allows people to violate CTH policy and attack people personally en-mass.
I know, I’ve been watching you. You know how it is. I’ve been curious how others were reacting to the AntiQ Crusade and I watched how you handled it and it was just as you described.
I have thought to myself, too, that it was almost like a deliberate attempt to purge or cull the commentors. But to what end????
I just don’t get it.
Hi Scott. I was just getting ready to post that Scott467 needs to come here. I remember that I always thought your comments were rational and well reasoned. And poof! Here you are. I found my way here 2-3 days ago and haven’t looked back. Welcome.
Thank you Sally, very kind of you to think of me, I appreciate it 🙂
One of the interesting things is that the people who have come here are most of the ones I would have WANTED to come here, you know?
There are others that haven’t joined us, yet. And may not. I am sad because I saw several board friends who were posting negatively in the Q Attack thread, but there are others that I didn’t see posting Q Attacks, just staying out of it. Who knows. Some of them may end up here yet.
As my grandmother used to say, it all depends on whose ox is being gored. I take that to mean there are, for example, people who don’t care about censorship around Q, but who knows what subject may be banned tomorrow? It may be a subject some of them care about it. Once this kind of thing begins, it usually doesn’t end well.
Hi, Slvia and everyone here, too. id Sundance get rid of all reply buttons now on that q thread? I have none anywhere, but I reply on his other threads. I have been pondering alot. I can kind of see Sundance’s pointabout Pres. Trump and q. Guess I’m kind of ambivalent about q. ad d I’m sorry d Sundance thought he needed to ban people,though it is his blog, and I guess it’s his right to have his own house rules.
No reply buttons means he’s closed down the thread. Completely agree that he is entitled to his own house rules and he can ban whoever he wants.
What has been of greater interest to me is the change in tone, style, and manner of operating. The board has rules and used to abide by them. Now, it is like the trolls have been invited in and encouraged to go after and take down people who are interested in Q, and a few other unusual moves.
Ah, sallyal you just proved the truth of a quote I love, “What you think about, you bring about! 🙂
Hi Scott…good to see you here!
— waves —
You got banned?
Whoa…sorry to hear that.
Thanks for questioning what is going on there.
I really wanted to post something like…
“Who are you and what have you done with SD?”
Because this latest obsession with bashing Q is so unlike the SD we have known.
Hi Wheatie, great to see you.
It is very frustrating to be banned, not for improper conduct, but because you won’t conform to some new ‘doctrine enforcement’ policy.
The most frustrating part though is the certitude of the anti-Q people, without any way to back up their position. They don’t even try. And many concede that they haven’t even spent much time TRYING to understand.
It just seems surreal.
And when so many people go straight to nasty comments, insults and personal attacks, it reminded me a lot of the way some Cruz supporters attacked anyone who questioned anything about Ted Cruz during the election, especially on the forums that seemed to have financial ties to the Cruz campaign (Townhall.com, Breitbart, RedState, etc.).
Very similar ‘vibe’.
“…it reminded me a lot of the way some Cruz supporters attacked anyone who questioned anything about Ted Cruz”
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That’s so true, Scott. Great analogy!
Yes…it’s like the CTH has become the thing that they used to rail against.
It’s so fascist, actually.
Fascism…but with small ‘f’…is basically Forced Unity, and the suppression of any opposing views.
It is sad to see this happen to a place that used to be such a refuge from all that.
Not only surreal, it is just so opposite of the way the Treehouse has worked in the past. Heavy research. No personal attacks. That kind of stuff. And then all of a freaking sudden, whoosh! That kind of thing hadn’t been allowed before, much less invited and encouraged and tolerated.
Scott, I have that same sense from the sudden shift that all is not well w/SD and I remember the danger he was in during the Travon Martin investigation days…especially recall his car being set on fire in a police department parking lot…different times but the same evildoers. I would think some of the other mods would know what’s up but that would likely not be public info.
I don’t know if you ever watched Bill Smith videos but he was an excellent researcher, gave excellent information on Q and suddenly disappeared off everyone’s radar, his youtube channel shut down and he suddenly stopped tweeting. The last 2 videos he uploaded were Hillary/Clinton Fdn/Haiti related which are all toxic subjects.
Remember Monica Peterson died in Haiti. She was an Assistant Director at the Human Trafficking Center, and had moved to Haiti to teach and start an NGO. She was a scholar-activist and a clear, critical voice in the human trafficking field who shared too much evidence she uncovered there.
I’ve had my own troubles, but I’m very situationally aware, and make sure to burn the attempting players badly, so this porcupine gets left alone. My most recent trouble was a few months ago, although they are STILL trying to find an in right now. I would not be surprised if there was some ops being sent Sundance’s way. I’m actually getting opped right now as far as the new site – very sad. I will probably have to ban the players before the week is over if they persist.
Rough times are coming. They want this site closed ALREADY.
Wolfmoon1776, wow, they are really active then. But you already know they are totally accustomed and ill equipped to successfully handle their subjects who confidently do not acquiesce. I’m reading Mike Moore/Thomas Paine’s new book, How We Dismantled the FBI In Our Pajamas which is quite interesting.
SWAT-clad FBI agents stormed into Mike “Thomas Paine” Moore’s home and terrorized his wife and young children at gunpoint after rousting them out of bed. Not once, but twice, pointing automatic weapons at the family. Historic, costly blunders for the FBI.
In response Paine assembled his journalism crew of former feds, launched True Pundit and literally dismantled the FBI in less than two years with pens and laptops while working from home, often in pajamas.
I gotta get that book!
it’s on Amazon
I had no idea about the book! Sounds terrific!
Take care Wolf. If it gets bad take it down. It isn’t worth that kind of risk.
Sylvia, I say NO, don’t take it down, call Mike Moore! He can be helpful on the best pajamas to wear! Taking it down won’t stop them when you’re already on their radar… and I doubt they know how to deal with porcupines….loved that image Wolfmoon referred to as his modus operandi. 🙂
Thanks! Yes – I’m already working on a survivability plan. I will roll out the preparatory parts soon, as a preliminary DISCUSSION. Q believes it will get to the point that we will be FORCED onto 8chan. If that is true, then any survival steps are simply intermediary to that. There are several steps we can take, but all of them require flexibility. We have options, and depending upon what gets shut down WHEN, we have choices.
“Rough times are coming. They want this site closed ALREADY.”
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I just got here!
I guess we should have a back-up, someplace we can remain in contact, if this site gets shut down?
“I just got here!”
Make every minute, every post COUNT.
They (you know about “they”, right?) WILL NOT STOP.
Until WE stop them.
These next couple months, until the swearing in mid-Jan, will be as bad as we’ve seen, IMO.
I quote Tolkien, once again:
” ‘Let us not speak of that!’ said Faramir.
‘Then we will not,’ said Denethor. ‘Go now and rest as you may. Tomorrow’s need will be sterner.’ “
Everyone here found their way here. If something happens, we will figure it out. There is a Divine hand guiding and we will not be left in the cold.
(Also, love it that our Lion PDJT reassured Florida that he WILL take care of the problems down there.)
Hi Judy,
I have not seen the Bill Smith videos, but I will check them out. I looked them up and found his youtube channel:
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCRVpj-n5kyVfDNtcuwN6KkA/videos
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“Remember Monica Peterson died in Haiti. She was an Assistant Director at the Human Trafficking Center, and had moved to Haiti to teach and start an NGO. She was a scholar-activist and a clear, critical voice in the human trafficking field who shared too much evidence she uncovered there.”
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Seems like a crazy dangerous and/or crazy brave thing to do, even for someone with military training, to go by him or herself to Haiti and then try to expose anything.
Scott, thanks for the link to Bill Smith videos. Looks like the last 2 are back up, hmm, not familiar with how it works when YouTube takes a channel down so maybe it can be reinstated with enough power?
And Monica was such an enthusiastic young professional who had recently graduated from the Korbel school and was a Research Fellow serving as the Assistant Director of the Human Trafficking Center in Colorado. She went to Haiti to teach and do research on child trafficking and start an NGO. She never imagined her research would lead to the Clintons…here’s a link with a good overview and includes the following:
Before her death, Monica sent her friend this online message: “[…] the real significance of this scandal for me, I know you feel me [redacted], is the link to contemporary slavery and trafficking. I can’t say to what extent, but there is human trafficking happening through the Clinton’s Caraol Complex. And mining has always been historically linked to trafficking, slavery, and labor exploitation.
I’d like to go see for myself who’s laboring at Morne Bossa, but I would hypothesize that the Dominicans are doing the contractual oversight of the mining, while marginalized Haitians are being exploited for low or no cost labor in dangerous mining conditions. That’s two huge human trafficking scandals, an environmental degradation scandal, a social displacement scandal, a Presidential election scandal, a scandal with billions in unaccounted for earthquake aid… all leading directly back to the Clintons racist cronyism in Haiti.”
https://govbanknotes.wordpress.com/2017/07/05/monica-peterson-suicided-after-exposing-clinton-human-trafficking/
https://twitter.com/dbongino/status/1061355053733285890
check out the comments to this tweet
Amazing – great stuff – thanks for that!
I had forgotten that, but Q did indicate they were using Gmail, didn’t he? “We have it all.” Wow!!!
Yeah, this is a big deal.
This amazing work by SerialBrain2 will continue to show us where the moves are being played behind the scenes…and why the DEMS are so upset. Enjoy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DA5XFeL39ro
Thank you, Judy. Excellent stuff.
It’s a great channel to subscribe to. Easy to understand “decoding” of Q.
Thanks, I’ve got a list to check out now. Been mainly following Q himself on qmap.pub and Praying Medic.
Thank you Judy. That was awesome.
Can’t believe I didn’t know about Serial Brain before.
Sheep No More! Crushing Evil with #NewQ!
Well, if you’re back, I’m guessing the Midterms didn’t scare you off. That’s good! Because things are not slowing down one iota, and there’s so much to talk about.
https://www.neonrevolt.com/2018/11/11/sheep-no-more-crushing-evil-with-newq-qanon-greatawakening-neonrevolt/
Neon Revolt is AWESOME. Also on Gab, in case ever kicked off Twitter, which is likely.
Say Hello to #MrClean. NOTHING Will Stop What Is Coming, from Sea to Shining Sea!
I wish the shills would make up their minds.
One day, I’m a pied piper leading people away from Q.
The very next, I’m a pied piper leading them towards that silly LARP known as Q.
(And of course, they gotta yell at me for selling hats and shirts, too. Can’t leave that out. Like I don’t deserve to, you know, be able to afford to eat or something).
But it’s amazing how quickly they change their tune, no? Why, it’s almost like they’re no consistency at all, from one day to the next!
See, that’s what the shills do. They don’t care about their posts resembling anything close to reality. No, what they want to do is push you in a certain direction and cause you to react.
Let me repeat that: their goal isn’t pursuing the truth. They don’t want to engage in a friendly debate.
They want to knock you out of the race, no matter what, and they’ll say anything or do anything to try and accomplish that goal. Truth isn’t even on their radar. Making you mad/sad/discouraged/confused/disgruntled – that’s their goal.
Now, I’ll be the first to admit that I was less-than-pleased with the House results after last-night’s midterm elections. I truly wanted a #RedStorm to rain down fire and chaos upon the Democrats and Deep State operatives.
Many people were left feeling disillusioned in the wake of the loss of the House to the Democrats.
But I think it’s time for some reflection, and a good gut-check.
And I think we can start to do that by asking ourselves some questions:
Question 1: Is #QAnon really real?
Read more….pure genius with a great sense of humor:
https://www.neonrevolt.com/2018/11/08/say-hello-to-mrclean-nothing-will-stop-what-is-coming-from-sea-to-shining-sea-newq-qanon-greatawakening-neonrevolt/
I promise this will be the last space I take up tonight but this is s-o-o-o the very best QProof I’ve seen and some of you likely have seen it, too. Remember VIPAnon’s post on the boards?
And remember what Q said?
Well… VIPAnon came back, and posted his official photo with President Trump:
And notice the (((+))) on the back of the photo.