Dear MAGA: Open Topic 20181127

This SPECIAL BANK TRANSFER TUESDAY open thread is VERY OPEN – a place for everybody to post whatever they feel they would like to tell the White Hats, and the rest of the MAGA world.

Say what you want, comment on what other people said, comment on people’s comments.  Keep it civil.  Treehouse rules, but expect lots of QAnon.

And YES – we are STILL THANKFUL for GOD and COUNTRY, although our wallets will likely be lighter as the day progresses.

And for guns to defend our silver dollars (few as they may be) that have ACTUAL value, and for Bibles to tell us that we should gladly part with our silver dollars before our guns and Bibles.

No illegalities, please, or BAN YE WE SHALL, and thereby maketh thy Marxist masters regret sending thy hoaxy ass our way.

W

YIKES!  Spend that bad money NOW!
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phoenixRising

Nor'easter

My suggestion for GM:
Get out of the electric car business.
Bring back Saturn
Inexpensive, durable, reliable, and fuel-efficient.
American made (although they did have a plant in Canada).
“A different kind of company. A different kind of car.”

CM in TN

My wife and I have an old 2001 Saturn SL-2 that we use to commute to work. It gets much better miliage than my F-150 even though it tends to burn oil a little bit…have to top it off every few weeks. Good reliable car I bought from my cousin when my great aunt passed away a few years back.

Nor'easter

How many miles you got on her (the Saturn, not the wife;))?
Not uncommon for them to reach 400k + Miles.
Using more than one quart of oil per 1000 miles is a sign that the engine is due for an overall.
I would seriously consider this option if all else is in reasonable working order, as I find new and used cars to be expensive and inferior compared to the Saturn.
They are relatively simple, easy and relatively inexpensive to maintain. You may even choose to do some, most, or even all of your own work if you are so inclined and have the means.
Here is a helpful link for anyone interested (I suggest clicking on “forums” from the homepage);
http://www.saturnfans.com

CM in TN

It has 162k. I figure the rings are wearing in it. I do most of the work on it, but don’t have the time to do that myself. It is a great car though.

Nor'easter

CM in TN:
162k on a Saturn is barely broken in IMO. Not even at half-life yet.
If you don’t have time, try to find a good mechanic that you can trust, if you don’t already have one.
Lead him to the linked site.
My guess is there’s plenty of life left in that Saturn.
PS: you might see I had a little trouble posting. Now it looks like several posted at the same time. Thanks for liking them all!

Nor'easter

As for the rings:
I have used a product called Sea Foam (available in auto parts stores).
One can in a full fuel tank.
Should help with the sticky rings. Once a year at most. Try to run down to about a quarter tank before you fuel up again.
Also, check liquid capacities on your engine.
If the oil capacity is 4 1/2 quarts, use 4 1/2 quarts. No more. Save the other half for when you need to add between oil changes. Do your oil changes on schedule per Saturns recommendations. (IMO the key to longevity of any engine).
Many people don’t know, and many of the few that do just go ahead and dump the whole fifth quart in. Don’t. And if you use a service for oil changes, make sure that they don’t. Have them give you the remaining half quart. It’s yours-you pay for it.
Also, make sure you are using the right fuel (regular). Do not use any higher octane fuel, as it will slowly damage the engine every time it runs.
Make sure that your intake air filter is clean. Replace it when necessary or scheduled.
Keep your cool level at the proper capacity, and make sure that your coolant temperature stays within operating parameters throughout the speed range (should indicate that your thermostat is operating properly or not). Too cool or too hot are both no good.

Nor'easter

One more thing:
When you go to start the Saturn, rotate the key to the “Run” position and stop before you get to the “Start” position.
You should see all of the indicator lights on your instrument panel light up temporarily.
Watch the fuel gauge.
Listen. You should hear a slight hum. This is the electronic fuel pump priming the fuel system.
After 1.9 seconds, the hum will stop, and the needle on the fuel gauge will “jump” to indicate the fuel level.
Then and only then turned the key to the “Start’ position, release when the engine starts.
Get in the habit of starting the vehicle this way.

CM in TN

I normally do that on all my vehichles out of habit as one is a diesel.

Nor'easter

How many miles you got on her (the Saturn, not the wife 😉 )?
It is not uncommon for Saturns to last for 400k+ Miles with only periodic maintenance and typical repairs.
Burning (not to be confused with leaking) more than 1 quart of oil per 1000 miles is an indication that the engine is due for an overhaul, but not critical yet.
If the vehicle is in decent shape, I would seriously consider this option due to cost savings and my personal belief in Saturns superiority over other vehicles -new and used-, as I always choose function over form.
Saturns are simple, relatively easy to work on, relatively inexpensive to maintain and drive, durable and reliable.
Owners may choose to do some most or all work on their Saturns, if they are so inclined and have means (no need to be an automotive technician).
A great source of information for Saturns (I recommend clicking on “forumz” and browsing/searching the site):
http://www.saturnfans.com

Nor'easter

It is not uncommon for Saturns to log 400k+ Miles.
Burning (not to be confused with leaking) more than 1 quart of oil per 1000 miles is an indication that the engine is due for an overall, but not yet critical.
I would seriously consider an engine overhaul as opposed to purchasing a new or used vehicle due to cost savings and IMO, saturns superiority.
Saturns are simple, relatively inexpensive and easy to own maintain and operate.
Owners may choose to do some, most, or even all work on a Saturn if they are so inclined and have the means (no need to be an automotive technician).
A great source of information on Saturns (I recommend clicking on “forums” and browsing/searching this site):
http://www.saturnfans.com

Nor'easter

Wolfmoon:
Tried to post reply to CM in TN several times.
Disappeared.
Posted elsewhere no problem.
???

andrew1979

i have an affinity for saturn also as they came out when i was a young man – they had the owners club convention caravans, whkch while corny i found somewhat attracted to. andcthey had some cool little cars and the body panels were great in the northeast. i owned 2 and really enjoyed them as they served the purpose very well in many areas – roomy, durable, great mileage, and i enjoyed the design. they screwed up with the minivans and larger sedans in my opinion. the 2 or four door sedans, the station wagon and that futuristic concept car they had were all they needed!

Nor'easter

I also recommend that GM work with Pres. Trump to eliminate the regulations that destroyed the two-stroke cycle Diesel engine industry (GM’s EMD and Detroit Diesel divisions). This couldn’t come at a better time, considering Pres. Trump’s agenda for major infrastructure projects, manufacturing, farming Energy independence, etc.

andrew1979

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Nor'easter

I hope they come out with a new one:
Make GM Great Again
Make GM American Again

Mary Morse

My prediction…
If GM ever produces a Saturn in the US again, it will be a light weight Saturn body on a (hybrid) fuel cell chassis.
Other possibility is that GM folds its businesses here and goes all in on it’s joint venture to manufacture mini electrics in China. Its having some problems with the quality of its batteries in its other models, apparently.
https://insideevs.com/a123-bad-battery-buick-china/
Here’s why…
In 2002, GM invested in a $billion initiative to roll out a hydrogen fuel cell chassis that they called AUTOnomy.
https://www.autoblog.com/2010/09/24/forgotten-concept-2002-gm-autonomy/
In 2005, in his book Capitalism at the Crossroads, Stuart Hart discusses GM’s strategy at that time. He writes:
…”Yet conceptualizing and building the innovative new products is not enough. Commercialization strategy is also a crucial piece of the puzzle. Here it is not clear that GM, which is famous for creating impressive new technologies only to have them fail in the marketplace, has a compelling lead. GM’s plan is to launch AUTOnomy in the highly competitive United States market. Unfortunately, given the widespread availability of cheap gasoline in the US, it is highly unlikely that that a hydrogen fuel infrastructure will be developed anytime soon, unless the federal government has a significant change of heart. Because fuel cells depend on hydrogen for fuel, the only way that GM can bring its product to market in the US is to add an expensive piece of equipment that “reforms” gasoline into hydrogen to power the fuel cell. Thus, even though the vehicle would be powered by a fuel cell, it would use fossil fuel to supply hydrogen to the cell, effectively nullifying the alternative nature of the technology. In a carbon-constrained world with significant dependence on oil from the Middle East, this would not seem to be a very sustainable strategy.”…
…”GM China’s strategy consists largely of producing Buicks to compete against prestige brands such as Mercedes, BMW, and Lexus in a battle to win the business of China’s wealthiest and most sophisticated consumers. But what if GM connected its recently announced joint venture to produce “minivehicles” in China to its billion-dollar strategy to produce fuel cell vehicles in the United States? Might it be possible to invent a whole new product category while simultaneously incubating a renewable fuel infrastructure in China.”…
Hart called this “leapfrogging technology”.

Mary Morse

For the theorists, this whole strategy is constrained by the need to break a gasoline molecule to feed the fuel cell. I don’t know much about chemistry, but couldn’t another molecule be broken to feed the fuel cell? Say, H2O?

phoenixRising

THIS!!!! A huge problem.

singularZoe

PR, you are correct. The law is for the law-breaker, Scripture says.

para59r

And they likely have no idea why ICE went to pick this guy up. I’m sure it wasn’t just because he was an undocumented immigrant. It’s happened before. Just not like this. Good post!

TheseTruths

It is not un-Christian to have boundaries. Our personal boundaries don’t allow people to touch us inappropriately. Applying societal boundaries, we lock our doors. And our country enforces its borders to protect us. These are all appropriate.

churchmouse

The Old Testament has accounts of Israel’s boundaries.
Furthermore, the OT verses about showing kindness to strangers extended to those passing through or settling, for one reason or another. It never applied to thousands of people at a time.

rayzorbak

I have figured out just who the 500+ CRIMINALS are in the Caravan…….
You can spot them easily……..
They have a camera and/or a microphone in their hands!

churchmouse

Ain’t that the truth!

MysticRose80

Undocumented immigrant, my foot.
This stunt is exactly why the mainstream media is dangerous. The mainstream media continues to peddle a false narrative about these illegal aliens (I’m sorry….”undocumented immigrants”) and a good chunk of the population (which would include members of this church group) buy into it.

andrew1979

the correct term for them is: “undocumented citizens”
please do not use any terms to demean, inhibit their spirit, or insinuate that you have any more right than they. and please check your privilege at the door.
hehehehehe…. 🙂

MysticRose80

LMAO!

SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA

Day 567 for me on the BannedWagon, for those who run afoul of BanHammer Central, a/k/a Can’t Tolerate Heretics.
Not that I’m counting, mind you./

churchmouse

I was able to like two comments Over There yesterday before being banned again.
I believe this was because, the other day, someone liked a comment of mine from October 26. (I got the email notification.) That must have released my email address from the banned bin.
Presumably, one of the mods saw the two ‘likes’, removed them and that was it: banned again.

churchmouse

Thanks, wolf, for the explanation.
So, are you saying they have mods of whom they are unaware?
If so, do you think our former host knows?

churchmouse

Wow.
Please keep us posted on your analysis, even if you haven’t completely figured out what’s happening.

A.D. Everard

Wolf, if it’s a mod gone rogue, those other mods reading here, or SD himself, would now be alerted to it.

Deplorable Patriot

I asked one question once over there, and the person who answered it was so snippy, I never asked another.

daughnworks247

See there, no excuse for what happened to you Dep Patriot.

singularZoe

I’ve suspected the mods were a big part of the problem.

trumpismine

Went over there to check on some old friends on the prayer request thread. Made a comment to a request and prayed for the suffering. Yeah it went into moderation. Discouraging but I feel better now.

SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA

A prayer no bystander gets to hear is supposed to be just as good, right?

SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA

Aaah, Morgan Dollars (as collectors call them) in the banner, in a variety of dates and grades.

singularZoe

Steve, would like to have those. Well, I can dream. Lol.

SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA

They can be a lot less expensive than sovereigns, actually.
You could get a Morgan dollar in the middle grades, raw, with a design you could feel for well under a hundred dollars (I really don’t follow that market so I can’t be more specific).
If someone wants a really top-grade example, for less than three hundred dollars they can get an 1881-S in MS-66 (which is a pretty high grade!)
Other Morgan dollar dates are a LOT more expensive but at lower grades can be affordable. There are two or three that are genuinely tough to get and no matter what they’ll be thousands or tens of thousands of dollars.

singularZoe

Did not know they were that much. Wow.

SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA

I just looked. A generic “junk” silver morgan dollar runs about 19 dollars on line. One in slightly better grade is about $30, and I would recommend this if at all possible. A local coin shop would probably have similar prices. Extra fine would probably not be too expensive depending on the date and mintmark (and you could really feel the design). Another one to look at is the Peace Dollar (1921-1935), it’s another beautiful design, and it’s even cheaper, the site I just looked at says you can get an uncirculated one for about $28.

singularZoe

That’s interesting, Steve.

phoenixRising

andrew1979

election november 6.
november 26th still dont know results.

redlegleader68

Just reposted on GAB

phoenixRising

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JasonD

That line from Kindergarten Cop “Boys have a penis and girls have a vagina” will no doubt be edited out these days.

rayzorbak

Regardless of appearances or Feelings……
CHROMOSOMES = The Gender Keys.

andrew1979

love that line!

para59r

SD said this in his Bongino post.
“One of the key points Bongino highlights is how none of the paper-trail; nothing about the substance of the conspiracy; can possibly surface until *after* Robert Mueller is no longer in the picture. Until Robert Mueller is removed, none of this information can/will surface.
That’s why every political and media entity are desperate to protect Mueller; and also why Mueller’s investigation will never end.”
SD sounds rather defeatist here but it does appear to be his position (now not surrounded by a thousand words disguising it).
IMO filling some of those placeholders blows all of his concerns out of the water. Seeing a lot of others sure of the same. Can’t wait for D5 to start.

para59r

Yes. What it comes down to is POTUS is not allowed to go on the offense against those who are still trying to topple his presidency because of some small little rules that might get bent.
It’s like a mouse standing in the way of an elephant.

Nor'easter

Aren’t elephants afraid of mice?

JasonD

Well, there was this old joke from (at least) the 80’s.
There was this mouse who considered himself the Best “satisfier” of the females of the animal kingdom. He reckoned if he could make an elephant squeal in delight, his claim would be uncontestable.
One day, as he was up in a palm tree, an elephant (of indeterminate sex, as these things cannot be known anymore, but he reckoned he had a 50/50 shot) ambled by. Grabbing the moment, he leapt towards his destiny, or rather, the elephants tail. He commenced swinging from the tail, aiming for his target (which shall remain unmentioned,since the gender is unknown).
Gradually gaining momentum, getting ever closer to greatness (excuse the double-entendre), the mouse was blissfully unaware of his surroundings. Sitting higher up the palm tree was a troupe of monkeys, checking out this parody of procreation.
Unable to resit the temptation, they resorted to that timeless of pastimes, so successfully handed up to their hominid betters, the practise of throwing rock shaped objects at the target of their ire, or in this case, derision.
Grabbing handily placed coco nuts , they proceeded to pelt their target with gay abandon. Now this target was moving, swinging in arcs centred on its specific target, the elephant’s unmentionables (or unknowables, as the case is these days).
So the coco nuts, so unerringly propelled, went straight for the centre of the target zone, which, by necessity of geometry, was the elephant’s erogenous zone. And, needless to say, squealing commenced, squealing of such elephantine joy and pleasure that had rarely, if ever, been witnessed in that jungle before.
The mouse’ reaction? – “Suffer Baby, …..suffer!!!”
Not sure whether this answers the question to which I responded, but it seemed pertinent, being a very open thread and all.

trumpismine

Thx! needed a belly laugh

Linda

Well, the declassification that Q is talking about will change things bigly. Remember Q saying a few months ago that declassification would basically end the Mueller probe because the whole scam will be out in the open. Declassification isn’t just the whole FISA warrant, but all the text messages from all the culprits as well. I’m not sure where Dan Bongino gets that this can’t surface until Mueller is done. POTUS is the boss. If he wants to declassify something, it will get declassified. They can argue all they want, but they can’t stop him.

para59r

I’m sure Dan would (may have, haven’t gone back to look at it) advocate a work around. SD, not so much and I believe he is cherry picking Bongino’s words here (but again I’ve not gone back to look at it).

Mary Morse

…”The documents in question are specific pages of the June 2017 FISA warrant application related to onetime Trump campaign foreign policy adviser Carter Page, all FBI interview reports prepared in connection with all FISA warrant applications in connection with Page, and all FBI reports of interviews with Justice Department lawyer Bruce Ohr prepared in connection with the FBI’s Russia investigation.
Additionally, Trump has ordered the DOJ and the FBI to release all text messages related to the Russia investigation — in unredacted form — of former FBI Director James Comey, former FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe, former FBI Special Agent Peter Strzok, former FBI attorney Lisa Page and Ohr.”…
https://www.npr.org/2018/09/17/648883919/trump-orders-declassification-of-documents-about-fbi-sought-by-house-republicans

wheatietoo

Thanks for the report, Para59r.
The dour defeatism continues…and sounds like it’s worsening.
There used to be optimism and defiance, in the tone of Sd’s writings.
I first noticed a lessening of that, sometime last Spring.
I remember when Sd didn’t approve of Bongino, but apparently that has changed.

JasonD

SD used to approve of Ristvan, even honored him with a feature post based on a Ristvan comment.
Today I suspect that Ristvan is banned, since he was a Sessions supporter and small branch member.
I have not checked out WUWT lately, but will see if I can spot Ristvan there ….. May drop him an invite.

Cuppa Covfefe

Yep. He was always an interesting poster as well, being a “lurking lawyer”, and not one of the ones of which Shakespeare wrote 🙂 He also shows up from time to time at NoTricksZone (www.notrickszone.com), another excellent weather/climate site…

Sylvia Avery

He was interesting. And I don’t recall ever seeing him being disrespectful, either. I always liked reading when he posted.

JasonD

Well, sometimes life gives you little gifts, like just now!!
Just went over to WUWT to see if I could spot Ristvan – he had only yesterday posted a lead post!! How cool is that – I went looking for him hoping I’d find a random comment, and he has a lead post up – 4 down from the top!! 🙂
I posted this in reply to another comment making the point that government should not regulate vehicle fuel economy standards. dropping a PS to Ristvan
Correct.
If I recall correctly, WUWT had a post or 2 back in the day that vehicle fuel economy had the perverse effect of actually increasing the amount of fuel burnt in a given area. People with very fuel efficient vehicles tend to do more leisure driving, likely since it is felt that it was so economical to drive that weekend trips were now much more affordable.
So increasing fuel economy result in MORE fuel being burnt, meaning government has no place regulating fuel economy if the goal is to reduce to fuel burnt. THAT goal is achieved by high fuel tax – not the best way to get elected.
PS – Ristvan, if you are unable to comment at the CTH, you may want to know that many old timers have been banished. They have re-congregated at wolfmoon1776’s new “refuge for refugees” at wqth(dot)wordpress(dot)com, in the event you are interested. Free speech is welcomed there.

Sylvia Avery

Oh, that is so great! I hope he stops by here (and hopefully he hasn’t been banned over there).
Jason, what is WUWT?

JasonD

Sylvia, it is the world’s pre-eminent climate-skeptic blog, hosted by Anthony Watts, an actual meteorologist. WUWT is short for Watts Up With That, an excellent catch-cry for sceptics and a play on the host’s name 🙂
It is a great place to dissect the latest published papers, offering great insight and analysis on climate and energy related matters, as well as some astronomy for general interest. Very high powered and posters / contributors.
Anthony happens to live in Paradise – fortunately his home survived, although some (at least 1, maybe 2) of his staff lost homes.
Ristvan (Rud Istvan) has posted there for years. I have lurked there for 8-9 years, only posted once, after being ban hammered by our mutual former host. My interest has moved firmly in the MAGA direction, because it is dealing with the totality of the Commie scum plot, of which the climate scam was one element.

Sylvia Avery

Wow, thanks!
And yes, MAGA does deal with the whole “Commie scum plot, of which climate scam was one element.”
Wolfmoon freed me and it feels so good. I feel empowered to call a Commie a Commie again instead of minding my words and trying to find a “PC” way of saying it. Heck with that. COMMIE.
And yes, the religion of climate (the old “watermelons”) really was the beating heart and soul of the Commies when they were still bothering to try to hide a bit.

Nor'easter

JasonD:
Nice job-Search and Sescue!
I’m sure we’ve got a nice branch for he Legal Eagle Ristvan.

Nor'easter

Rescue

andrew1979

to any of us we have to have knlwn since the beginning, deep down, that this was in fact probably the case. i do not think that the mueller investigation is anything more than just killing time. further i would suggest that the sheer amount of drama the sheer amount of static the absolute tick tock tweeting live feed more live fhancreal life ridiculousness of this whole entire sham has somehow propped up reality for the entire world for 22 months is truly mind boggling.
the only conclusion i can get to to rationalize in my mind is that there is such absolute justice behind what we percieve to be the undeniable fact of the matter that the bad guys can be allowed rope after rope after rope and no matter how hard they fight back or try and get away with it they never can. and SINCE they never can not only can we keep giving them rope (which by now they could have fashioned into a giant net to be used against us) but we also are so sure we can snag them that we will wait until just the last minute to spring the trap and grab the rope end…
the other alternative is we have been treated to the greatest political theater in recent memory.
i am hoping for the 64d chess version no doubt.

Disney Echo

Andrew, this topic on Voat’s QRV ties in very well with that:
https://voat.co/v/QRV/2875693

redlegleader68

Ooohh! Follow the link to the Voat site mentioned, read the post and follow the embedded link to this (and read the comments!!)

Mary Morse

Similar to a document link that I posted on the Crow’s Nest. This document is from 2003 (vs. ’90’s)
Army Field Manual for Psychological Operations: Tactics, Techniques and Procedures December 2003
http://www.bits.de/NRANEU/others/amd-us-archive/fm3-05-301%2803%29.pdf
Here’s the link to the other document. Oodles of information about our government’s use of PSYOP
https://media.defense.gov/2017/Apr/07/2001728209/-1/-1/0/B_0018_GOLDSTEIN_FINDLEY_PSYCHLOGICAL_OPERATIONS.PDF

Mary Morse

I prefer to know who influences my emotions and actions.
If it’s my government, I’d like to know if they have the legal authority to do so. I haven’t gotten to a definitive answer yet, but I suspect that it is contingent on the declaration of a national emergency.( From an ancient document with a lost link.) Wasn’t there an EO that declared such?
Here’s one more fascinating document. This has lots of [kill brackets], acronyms, etc. Could prove invaluable to the Q decoders….
https://fas.org/irp/doddir/army/psyopplan.pdf

Mary Morse

Different document answers my question:
Exec. Summary, pg xvii
…” When authorized, PSYOP forces conduct public information dissemination to support national security or disaster relief within US territory to reduce civilian casualties and suffering. “…
https://fas.org/irp/doddir/dod/jp3-13-2.pdf

Mary Morse

…”PSYOP forces can provide civil authority information support elements (CAISEs) within the United States and its territories. When authorized for employment in this manner, PSYOP forces utilize their media development, production, and dissemination capabilities to deliver administrative and command information to populations in the impacted area. Their mission becomes to inform rather than to influence.”…
..”PSYOP rely on theater intelligence, surveillance, and reconnaissance (ISR) operations to provide intelligence products based on a whole of government approach that occurs within the intelligence community.”… ( intelligence, surveillance and reconnaissance of the adversarial audience?)
…”Each Service has the inherent capability to support achievement of US national objectives by using organic assets for production and dissemination of PSYOP products. Studies on all topics of interest can be requested through a combatant command’s PSYOP staff officer or intelligence request for information manager, who will enter them in the community on-line intelligence system for end-users and managers system for managing intelligence production requirements.
PSYOP studies are unique in format; however, other military intelligence products can contain this type of intelligence information. In general, they profile the salient features of a country or its people; provide an analysis of the influences that lead different social, occupational, and ethnic groups of that country to act as they do; discuss issues that elicit strong responses from the indigenous population; assess attitudes; identify vulnerabilities; and suggest ways and means to influence people.”…
A few excerpts from the document linked above.

Mary Morse

But also this:
…”(2) Although the following list is not all-inclusive, consideration should be given to the following specific legal issues when conducting PSYOP:
(a) The requirement that US PSYOP forces will not target US citizens at any time, in any location globally, or under any circumstances. “…
Date of the document is 2010. We need a lawyer to get to the legality of domestic use of PSYOP.

Barb Meier

Hi all! M3thods on Twitter has the photo above plus a link to a press release about a news conference being held tomorrow morning at 10:30 am. https://t.co/K3X9uZTvf7 I am praying it is by white hats but will not further speculate. Thank you for this place, Wolf. @BarbMeier2

Deplorable Patriot

Very interesting.

andrew1979

thanks for the link to that.
i guess over the years i have become so jaded, so “black pilled” i guess you might even call it, that i have absolutely no trouble seeing the two scenarios play out here. in other words, i will not really be surprised either way because i trust so very little in my life. some feel that’s a miserable way to live, i feel fine with it because i have come to understand that expectations (for me anyway) are a giant trap.
however – i never EVER diminish in my belief of what i actually do believe, and what i actually do feel should happen. i still get disappointed at times, but that’s ok. i am not in charge and it’s not up to me! the disappointment though is not centered around my “expectations” not being met, because, like i said, i TRY not to deal with them in the first place.
the other factor with me is that i am also heavily involved in the feeling that there is a spiritual / otherworldly / hidden battle going on that has been raging for all of time. sure, the “visuals” of society and civilization are “real” but they are manifestations of the battle that is going on!
last but not least – no expectations and belief in the steadfast fight to the end always leaves me with surprise to say to least – and excitement always comes with surprise! the last 3 years have been a non stop thrill ride, so i am happy to stay on board!

TheseTruths

para59r said that according to SD, “One of the key points Bongino highlights is how none of the paper-trail; nothing about the substance of the conspiracy; can possibly surface until *after* Robert Mueller is no longer in the picture. Until Robert Mueller is removed, none of this information can/will surface.
“That’s why every political and media entity are desperate to protect Mueller; and also why Mueller’s investigation will never end.”
I’ve seen the Bongino video twice, and I didn’t hear him address time like that — a time when Mueller would be out of the picture. Bongino did say that the media is protecting Mueller, but I didn’t hear him talk about a situation where Mueller would be gone so information could surface.
Bongino did say he doesn’t think major political players like Hillary will face prosecution.

para59r

As I thought. I wasn’t going to go back to check. Was just going to go on my trust that that SD might be stretching words.
Thank you for that.

TheseTruths

You’re welcome. It’s a stretch to say that Bongino said nothing can happen until Mueller is out of the picture. I listen to Bongino’s podcast, too, and I’ve heard him say that FISA declassification would put a dent (so to speak) in the investigation, but I don’t think he has said that nothing can happen until Mueller is gone. My impression has been that FISA declass could happen while Mueller is there.

Tonawanda

This highlights an aspect of circumstances overlooked by the defeatists and Eeyores.
Mueller is Mueller. He is reality. However he got there he got there.
Mueller’s existence demands finely calibrated moves and counter-moves. The moves and counter-moves implicate all issues, even ones that are otherwise totally irrelevant.
In this respect, Q has somewhat missed the mark insofar as he has encouraged people to think things were imminent.
To me, the issue is one of attitude. We have a leader who knows what he is doing. He is doing what Q has repeatedly indicated he will do, return power to the people.
We are looking through a glass darkly. But we DO have our leader.
Having a leader, the next item on the agenda is having the right attitude. That means hope, optimism and confidence.
Having a defeatist attitude is in effect hoping for failure.

andrew1979

exactly. the drill for them is to defeat the spirit and we cannot let that happen.
we know there is a battle to be fought. we know that good will overcome evil, but that does not mean we do not have to stay strong and fight the good fight and finish the course. and above all we have to keep the faith.

phoenixRising
A Fortiori (@AFortiori16)

Saw that yesterday; well worth the time to read.

phoenixRising

para59r

Fighting back! 🙂

wheatietoo

And…No ‘diplomatic immunity’ for those two, either!

para59r

Comments from that are hilarious and pointing toward everything one might hope for! Plus this isn’t just some feckless Russian Mueller charge, they actually have these guys in custody!

Aubergine

My favorite comment in the string:
Ed Menz
‏ @CocoBudCapper
Replying to @RealSaavedra @Mark923to25
I see your caravan, and I raise your brother’s freedom.
7:31 PM – 26 Nov 2018

Gudthots

“Do you give the horse its strength
or clothe its neck with a flowing mane?
Do you make it leap like a locust,
striking terror with its proud snorting?
It paws fiercely, rejoicing in its strength,
and charges into the fray.
It laughs at fear, afraid of nothing;
it does not shy away from the sword”
Job 39:19-22

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Gudthots

p.s., I’m working to add some content on GAB that is creative. I’d love to have some of you that are on GAB pop in and up-vote any of it that you care to. Thanks.
https://gab.com/thinkthinkthink/posts/42085283

Disney Echo

Okay, I did! Followed you there as well. 👍🏻

redlegleader68

Done and followed

Tonawanda

Perfect!

phoenixRising
para59r

With Soros being an advocate for the spread of Islam, something has likely happened behind the scenes or maybe Turkey doesn’t want to get pushed faster than it’s willing to go or doesn’t care for the part Soros wants it to play. Something were not seeing.
When all this left wing embrace of Islam finally plays out, Libs are going to be surprised that they aren’t going to be able to control the Islamists, just like they will not be able to control China. Interesting though they might be finding this out early.
Just guesses for now. Take it with salt.

SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA

Will the left have the stomach to (help) fix the problem once they see it?
I really doubt it.

para59r

Agreed, they are quite good at rationalizing their way around facts.

CM in TN

Yes, they will find a way to rationalize it into being our fault somehow I’m sure. Projection and all.

para59r

Another thought on this would be if Soros people were seen as trying to influence Turkish clerics or peoples. Either would in essence be seen as undermining Endrogan (sic) the tyrant’s power.
Tyrant, Clerics, People being the three legs of the stool in any Islamist country.

para59r

The more you know. I certainly didn’t follow the story through to the Edmonds thing and thus missed the buddy buddy resolution having been quite satisfied with Saudi’s doing what they will with a Saudi (MBH type pushing for an Arab Spring against MSB), caught on Saudi territory.
Good info Wolf. Thanks! Hopes some of our white hats had something to do with all that. Big set back for Soros. Just like the Honduran thing above.
Winning!

CM in TN

And now the leftist idiots in D.C. want to rename a section of New Hampshire Ave., N.W. after him. Near the Saudi Embassy if I remember correctly. Khashoggi, that is. It was talked about on WMAL’s Mornings on the Mall radio show this morning.

SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA

Actually, I am reminded of something else, on the left. There is a man, Sam Harris, who is pretty leftist and he’s one of the New Atheists who came out with books a few years ago, including “Letter to A Christian Nation.” He is very much aware of the Islamic threat; and he has had trouble convincing his fellow leftists that Muslims actually believe the nuttiness in the Koran. Leftists will blame terrorism on poverty (acts of desperation by the impoverished) and so on, but Harris points out the 9/11 hijackers were essentially middle class professionals, engineers and architects, not the “poor” of the Middle East by any means. The left simply won’t blame jihadi terrorism on Islam itself. (But they will blame a lot of violent things on Christian fundamentalism.)

SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA

I’ve watched many clips of Sam Harris getting absolutely bludgeoned by his fellow leftists for his realism in regards to Islam.
He’s one on the Left I have some respect for, though I’ve not watched/listened to him in a few years and have no idea how much venom he might be spewing about PDJT.

JasonD

Oh, he’s spewing alright. Hillary is Mother Teresa to Trump’s lying despotic buffoonish wannabee dictator.

Tonawanda

Peer pressure is such a huge factor. If you want to understand the psychology of what the left is doing, think back you your high school years.

PeteC

Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Rice, Tenet, etc.— they are middle class???

SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA

They didn’t fly the planes. Harris was talking about the pilots.
At most, they led from behind and used someone who took their religion very seriously, seriously enough to be willing to commit mass murder/suicide.
And even then, that’s ONLY if you accept that particular interpretation of 9/11.

PeteC

These guys couldn’t hardly fly single engine Cessna’s, and quite a stretch to hop into a Boeing 757-767 and hit buildings at the speeds they were supposedly going!!! IMHO, the cockpit controls were overridden from the ground by Boeing’s “auto-land system” or KinetX’s National Flight Emergency Response System. Crashing large airliners into tall buildings at high speeds requires the “practiced” skills of professional pilots!!!

SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA

We’ll have to agree to disagree then.
Harris’s larger point was that there are people nutty enough about their religion to commit suicide/violence (we see this in the Middle East all of the time, even if 9/11 isn’t an example), yet his fellow leftists refuse to believe that; they seem unable to imagine that Muslims actually believe in the teachings of Islam.

Mary Morse

…”Understand what your enemy (which in this case would be US) (or maybe I should say AUDIENCE) WANTS to be true, and you understand how to deceive them.”…
For Wolfie…
http://www.consensus911.org/911-the-pentagons-b-movie/

PeteC

Steve– I certainly don’t disagree about your assessment of the motivation of Islam to cause radical Islamists to act. I have studied the Qu’ran, and with a seminary background in interpretation (hermeneutics) of religious literature, one must look at the founder of Islam and his actions to gain understanding in interpretation. I.e., how did Muhammed put into to action his own words, which tells us how he interpreted his own writings (compared to Jesus Christ and His actions in life while on Earth). Thus, the founder of Islam was not opposed to deception and force to further his goals (i.e., his was not a “turn the other cheek” individual!!!). Thus, radical Islam is actually fundamentalist Islam (or to put it differently, the literal–historical interpretation of the Qu’ran most in line with its founder!).
That said, 9/11 was way beyond the capabilities of a Muslim in a cave in Afghanistan and 19 compadres in the US. This type of operation just takes too much coordination and planning to have been done by these folks. Buildings that implode into dust (dustification) and fall within their own footprint will not occur from the damage of the airplanes or the heat generated (most the airplane fuel–kerosene– was consumed at impact). An Arab with no flying capabilities cannot take a commercial airliner and do a 330 degree turn at the speeds he was supposedly flying and make a direct hit on the Pentagon flying barely above the treetops at excessive speeds. Don’t think Allah could bless them that much!!!
In my humble opinion, this was an inside job by our government among others– the same government that killed a President right before our eyes in Dallas!

SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA

Whether or not it was Arab pilots who did is is in fact beside Sam Harris’s original point. He obviously believes the conventional interpretation, and used it as background to make his actual point, which his audience could understand, if they chose to, because they too subscribed to the original interpretation.
As such I’ve no interest in debating 9/11 itself here. Your original comment came out of left field and had nothing to do with the actual point I was trying to make. It didn’t oppose it, it didn’t agree with it, it was just a total tangent.
MY point was that his audience refuses to accept the facts that you outline in your first paragraph, and that, in essence, the overwhelming majority of leftists can’t actually accept that Muslims believe what they do. Whether or not they piloted planes into buildings on 9/11 is a side issue to that point.

singularZoe

Pete, I agree. Also, in Islam “peace” doesn’t mean what it does to Christians, it involves submission of the infidel and peace with other Muslims.

Deplorable Patriot

Soros is running out of nations to bankrupt. He probably also wants to use Islam as a political tool which many of its adherents don’t think the system really is.
This will be interesting to watch.

SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA

A lot of people assert that Islam isn’t a religion, it’s a political system. I disagree. It’s BOTH a religion and a political system, and it’s expressly designed to be such, and it’s therefore worse than being just a political system and worse than being just a religion. The religion justifies the political system, the political system upholds and expressed the values of the religion; it’s a genuinely theocratic enterprise.
A lot of religions (including Christianity) have been the bases of theocracies; Islam is the one where it was expressly designed to be that way from the start, and therefore it’s difficult, if not impossible, for its serious adherents to reject the political parts of it.

Nor'easter

I believe that Soros is only embracing the spread of Islam as long as it is useful to him.
The ultimate focus is the spread of chaos.
By any means necessary.

wheatietoo

Terrance weighs in on the subject.
Heheh.

.
It’s good that this clip of the rock-throwing little ‘angels’ is getting widely circulated.
Tucker Carlson showed it on his show tonight…and commented on how the “DNC channels” aren’t showing it.
Hah.

para59r

Clarity and hilarity, tough combo to beat.

herbork

…Because such a rarity.

wheatietoo

I had never heard Tucker call them “the DNC channels” before.
I turned to my hubby, who said…”Did he just call them ‘the DNC channels’?”
So he’d never heard him say that before either.
Tucker is going to have to add more Security now!
Heheh.

andrew1979

remember at beginning of the witch hunt they started using the term “back-channels” all of a sudden. it was supposed to have a negative connotation and sound sinister because it was trump people creating back-channels to russia. so predictable.

churchmouse

Indeed.
Remember when PDJT addressed both Houses of Congress early in 2017 and how Ambassador Kislyak was sitting with the Dems?
Not only that, many of them went up to chat with him afterwards.
It looked like a lot of Dems had, at minimum, a comfortable — friendly — rapport with Kislyak, even if he did not know them that well.
Strangely, no one commented on it Over There.
I feel badly about Seth Rich. I am not sure he was a ‘chump’, but rather an idealist who really believed in Bernie’s platform. Once the scales fell from his eyes, his life changed … forever. Poor guy. There’s a There there.

churchmouse

I know what you mean.
I also had a certain admiration for Bernie and thought him a worthy opponent of candidate Trump.
It could be he was, until the DNC got to him. Every man has his price.

andrew1979

i would propose a “theory” that i have had since during the campaign.
it goes along with your observations that bernie was a willing participant – that he was a prop – that he was never going to win…here is my take on what larger purpose bernie served, and part of it came back to bite them somewhat requiring some tracks to be covered hastily…
my theory with bernie was the “anti-mccain” fake candidate. whereas mccain served to almost entirely sour the republican base and suck much air out of conservatives souls, bernie also was a fake candidate but he did the opposite. his campaign created such a HUGE base of followers, a following with MUCH enthusiasm, new what they believed to be CORE values, with an appeal to almost every demographic in america.
even to this day i still see more bernie bumper stickers on average than any other “candidate” stickers.
what this did was re-inflate the waning democrat support base (no more messiah, hillary not really well regarded mainstream). i mean, people all around me were buzzing about bernie to be honest, and frankly you almost wanted to cheer for him yourself because of who he was going against! think of all the money sent his way – it was incredible. i knew people that had sometimes little to get by with financially and they were donating to bernie religiously. it enticed and won the young person vote. and no matter what, there was two things i believe it was meant to do:
1) create a built in left leaning voting block that supported bernie, people that flocked to the democrat party (why wasn’t bernie an independent?) and tied their allegiance there.
2) to start speading the “socialist” mindset more and more into the psyche of americans, especially young america.
bernie gave up with a whimper.
bernie then gave all his supporter data and his full support to hillary clinton.
when all was said and done this was the greatest coup of all because they snagged almost all these voters into the “never trump” belief, and yes, there were a few walk away bernie voters – but that is a tiny number compared to the ones that they solidified and put into their army against the president.

Mary Morse

Does anyone know if any of these “asylum seekers” have filed their paperwork via bot technology? Just curious.

Gudthots

Praying Medic gets me to laugh more often. Which is good.

wheatietoo

Oh noes…Whitaker is doomed now!
Haaa.

andrew1979

they probably only had building blocks, crayons, construction paper, books and educational manipulation toys instead of issuing each child with an ipad.

phoenixRising

SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA

OK, I have to say I never really understood this.
Splitting it up would still leave the same asshat judges in place, there’s just be two crazy circuits instead of one.

wheatietoo

I think the Circuit Court Judges are picked from the ‘area’ that each Circuit covers, aren’t they?
The 9th Circuit is Huuuge.
http://www.uscourts.gov/sites/default/files/styles/sidebar/public/u.s._federal_courts_map.png
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Since the 9th Circuit covers the Left Coast…I always figured that’s why so many leftist judges are picked for it.
It they split it up, then other states like MT, WY and AK, would have a chance for some better judges.
The 9th Circuit is way too big…and way too powerful.
It really should be split up.

SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA

Most of the time when someone says it should be split up, they are doing so in a context that makes me think they imagine it’ll be a fix for the nutty decisions that come out of it.
I agree it should be split up for many of the reasons you state, but doing so simply won’t address the issue of the asshat judgest that are already seated, nor would it solve the problem of finding decent judges in whatever circuit ends up owning California (let’s say it’s the 13th circuit); there would continue to be asshats getting into a circuit court and we’d still have a nutty “13th circus” circuit causing problems.

wheatietoo

The President gets to pick the Circuit Judges.
Pres Trump has already gotten to pick a couple of new 9th Circuit Judges.
If we can get another R-President in 2024…then our chances for better judges increases as time goes forward.

SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA

That’s true whether or not the Ninth CIrcus gets split up.
As I understand it, Grassley has decided to ignore “blue slips,” senators from a judge’s home state basically rejecting a nominee. So we might get solid conservatives from CA on the federal bench now. But again, that’s true whether or not the 9th circus gets split up.
So I just don’t see it. How would splitting up the 9th circus tame the judges on the bench in that part of the country? I just don’t see it. It’s worthwhile doing so for other reasons, but not for this.

wheatietoo

It would decrease their power, wouldn’t it?
I’ve always heard the 9th Circuit referred to, as…’the powerful 9th Circuit’.
And I figured that was a reference to it’s size and reach.
If the 9th were cut down to just 2-3 states, then it only has power over those states.
Look at the 2nd and 3rd districts.
Those are only 3 states.
I would love to see the 10th split up too.
The whole thing need revamping, really.
Being in OK, I would much rather have our district made up of OK-KS-AR-MO.

SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA

They seem to be powerful because they break new ground, or something like that. The DC Circuit is also powerful.
I guess that’s one of those things I don’t understand either. It may be as simple as the YSM trying to make them sound more important because they like what they’re doing.
And yes, again, I agree it covers too large an area (I’m not sure if they should be evened out by number of states, total population, or caseload, but by any one of these criteria the 9th is “bigger” than the other circuits), but that’s different from the question of whether breaking it up would tame the asshat judges somehow and reduce their influence. There are two different issues at play in many of your arguments, and I’m still not seeing the connection in one of the two cases (while I agree with you on the other).
As long as any judge on any circuit can make a ruling that fubars the entire country, it doesn’t matter what circuit they are sitting on; it’s just that the 9th has more asshat judges in it than other circuits.

andrew1979

i still do not get the concept that the judicial system appears to be so politicized that it can’t be hidden (not that most are trying to)
to me that makes little sense at all. my whole life i have heard “a conservative judge from X county…” or “the liberal leaning judge ruled…” when i was young and innocent i would wonder why those judges were still judges. they should be removed for political bias in the least, and worse opening the,selves to potential influence pandering.
then i grew up and knew more and more about the system and realized people were ok with it enough that they figured it was normal. and if you mentioned it you were criticizing the balance of the court…maybe someday i will be smart enough to understand.

SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA

Law is a largely philosophical undertaking, honestly, as such, and philosophy also underpins people’s ideologies. Thus it’s hard for a judge not to manifest a particular ideological point of view. Even the question of whether to be an originalist, a textualist, or more of a “living document” jurist is at heart a philosophical one.
If, for instance, you tend to believe people have no free will (a philosophical question) you will tend not to think they should be punished for their actions since they can’t, fundamentally, be responsible for them. You’re therefore going to be “soft on crime” which tends to be a Leftist point of view.
The real difficulty comes in when a judge is SO tied to his political party he simply disregards the law and rules unfairly; where he rules differently depending on whether it’s a political ally or not standing in front of him. Maybe he’s a soft-on-crime “liberal” judge who suddenly becomes a hanging judge when it’s a prominent conservative in front of him (e.g., Dinesh D’Sousa). That to me goes beyond what I’d expect philosophical differences to cause and is blatantly partisan, not just ideological.

A Fortiori (@AFortiori16)

Splitting up the 9th Circuit is not the answer; we should abolish the 9th Circuit. In 1802, Thomas Jefferson abolished almost half of the judicial posts in America. The existing judges were then out of a job. Perfect solution.

rayzorbak

I have never liked the idea that ONE “judge” can determine a “law” for the ENTIRE country.
Their jurisdiction should be limited to their area and let the “Supreme” court rule if it should relate to the entire country. JMHO

Spab

It will have some limited benefit but it will not matter as long as plaintiffs can judge shop. At the very least, any complaint that is national in scope should be rotated from district to district. It should be noted that conservative plaintiffs judge shop also.

Gudthots
Gudthots

Thank you @martingeddescomment image

phoenixRising

[and ignorant atheistic lefties are criticizing “they look bloody!”
Well, du’h ! ]

para59r

Hmmm… The color symbolizing martyrs too.

para59r

I like the thought that each tree might hold a story for her in that respect. She does often seem so solemn. Doesn’t have to be such, but likes the thought and wouldn’t put it beyond her. She remains an enigma.

Sylvia Avery

Thanks PR, I didn’t know the underlying significance.

Deplorable Patriot

That’s also why Easter eggs were dyed red.

wheatietoo

Busted!
Remember that woman who complained about the Free Food she was given?
Yeah…her.
Someone dug into her online history:
https://twitter.com/Trump454545/status/1067108368857350145

SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA

0041 hours here on the High Plains of Colorado, and this prairie falcon has to get some sleep on his branch.
See you all tomorrow!

wheatietoo

That happened a year ago…I wonder if they ever caught who killed him.
But yeah, rock-throwing can be lethal.
So our BP and Military have every right to crack down hard on the little ‘darlings’ who are trying to break through.

wheatietoo

Oh, I thought you were using that article as a ‘reminder’…of how lethal the rock-throwing can be.
Heheh.

churchmouse

Cripto to our former host on subject matter. From the Presidential thread:
‘cripto says:
November 27, 2018 at 2:08 am
‘And why doesn’t this site explain the US position on Crimea and Ukraine, in the President’s National Security Report and his public statements? For over a year Russia has escalated its military actions on Ukraine, now to the point of piracy, and denying free access to the Kerch strait between the Baltic and Azov seas that was agreed by Treaty in 2003. I find this very odd, as China bashing (well-deserved) gets frequent posts. Also, according to US military, they have had ‘dozens’ of attacks and engagement with Russia in Syria. You might think this would be worthy of a post or to especially as Russian aggression towards our men at arms is anathema.’

wheatietoo

That’s um…rather antagonistic, isn’t it.
I’ve seen tweets about a Ukrainian sailor who is saying that they were Told to Provoke the Russian ships…in this latest dustup.
Not sure if this has been verified yet.
But it wouldn’t surprise me.

churchmouse

Yes, it seemed antagonistic to me, too.
I really don’t understand what’s happening between those two countries in detail. Cripto could have just come out and said whatever it is he/she thought should be expressed.

wheatietoo

I don’t think that Pres Trump wants to get involved in it…at all.
He keeps trying to stick with his Non-Intervention policy, but people keep trying to pull him into things.

churchmouse

He’s right to distance himself.

Spab

I thought the President is going to see Putin in Argentina later this week during whatever latest Summit is meeting.

churchmouse

Well, nothing precludes them from meeting. Talk is a good thing.

singularZoe

Thank you, Wolfmoon. You’re helping me understand it more and more.

andrew1979

from what i understood from these users posts (a2 crypto) there was a possibility that they were stationed in the asian continent, possibly even china (possibly not mainland, but taiwan or hong kong)
on another part of this – why there is no russia talk – another symptom of the democrats/evils co-opting russia into the spying/anti-trump investigation. it creates a situation where if trump supporters take the hard line road on russia then that implies they know how dangerous russia is and if our president was working with them then oh no we are screwed. so talking about them and accusing them is not done for some reason because it would then be magnified by the MSM that look at what trump’s allies are doing now! trump is putin’s puppet!
again, another great move by the bad guys who if they are actually the ones working with russia, this like mueller, puts certain things OFF LIMITS to the other side…

Nor'easter

“Antagonistic” seems to be A2/Criptos predominant trait for SELF defense; albeit, sometimes simply due to a lack of attention.
He will seek and pounce on commentor(s) downstream of the origination point of which he felt (wrongfully) attacked, slighted, appeased, or ignored.
I distinctly remember him replying to his own comment, because no one else did.
Following that, I remember him going all ‘I’m taking-my-ball-and-going-home’/’Why-do-I-waste-my-time-here?’.
He is very intelligent, but also arrogant.

Emeraldstar

“He is very intelligent, but also arrogant.”
And hyper-defensive. He often chastised the entire complement of Treepers for not giving him the required adulation for his genius posts / perspectives.
And you’re right – he then had a tantrumy SNIT.
Amazing, yes? Speaks 5 languages (let’s say yes to that), but is so hobbled by his own sense of self-superiority that he drove away any responses which questioned his perception / erudition.
The emotions RULE. And when ones emotions FOOL the intellect into believing that the INTELLECT rules … then the intellect is overmastered.
I’ve seen it a lot! SAD!

Nor'easter

Well put.

andrew1979

agree with this post – kind of goes along with one i just posted above.

Nor'easter

“I *seem* to recall cripto addressing what happened to A2 – does anybody remember that post? It does not necessarily need to be believed. I tend not to believe it.”
I recall reading his posts and the replies. I believe it was in the OPEN thread, and occurred sometime shortly before “Q Man Bad”.
After making the post (probably including a link), a commentor (I can’t remember who) replied to the effect that Crypto’s substance and style were reminiscent of A2, who hadn’t been seen for a while.
Crypto replied to the effect that A2 is no longer with us, and the reason being because of attacks, which he briefly described and for which he named names, and stated “A2 got mighty pissed off” (I believe that that is a direct quote).
Crypto also mentioned the risk involved when posting in secret from China.
Since that time, I have witnessed him under attack, end in retaliation, stalking (ALL) those that he feels offended him (it appears that he kept records).

Emeraldstar

“does anybody remember that post?”
There was more than one, in terms of the “new” Cripto (why not “Crypto”, btw? sp?) referring to the “old” A2.
Both (or more) posts gave a reason for the banning / deletion, and the tenor was one of veiled hurt, and alliance with the bannee. If it was, as you say, a replacement, rather than simply a new handle … then it was well done (IMO). English mastery was requisite to the task of impersonation, IMO.
The problem is, your theory seems consistent with the takeover (?) of the site.
I also remember “Gunny” – an ex-marine, IIRC, from his postings – voluntarily OUTING Cripto as A2, multiple times … and, in light of your near-certainty, this action doesn’t seem worthy of a veteran soldier, who should know better.
Gunny also came out as anti-Sessions, very strongly … even though, he SEEMED quite unsure until the decision was made. After that, no turning back, no doubt, no qualms.
Under this scenario, it seems that the former site was likely fatally compromised LONG before a plurality of posters fully realized what was happening. Myself included.
CTH 2.0 > [ ]D 2.0 > A2 2.0 > Gunny (aw shucks, I like beer!) etc.
Stunning.

wheatietoo

And thanks for that report, Churchmouse!

churchmouse

You’re most welcome, wheatie!

Deplorable Patriot

Hmm….
Another layer to add to the mystery of SD. There’s something in play we know nothing about.

churchmouse

There probably always has been.
Now that we have been expelled, we can examine CTH and SD with fresh eyes.

Nor'easter

IMO, although he’s not “mainstream”, he had excellent credibility and growing exposure from other high-profile media personalities.
He was likely “over the target” on numerous things.
Suddenly altering course leads me to believe that somebody got to him.
Self preservation/ survival instincts.

Deplorable Patriot

That was my thought, but I didn’t want to use the word “kidnapped” or “who are you and what have you done with the real Sundance.”

wheatietoo

If this has to do with that UN ‘immigration agreement’ that Pres Trump pulled us out of, then…
Thank you again, Mr. President!

.
If this is yet another agreement that the UN has come up with, then…
No! Nope and No way!

churchmouse

Didn’t they also want to criminalise climate change ‘deniers’ a few years ago? Maybe it was the EU.

wheatietoo

Yes, I think so.
I think they both did…both the UN and the EU.

churchmouse

Thanks!

Deplorable Patriot

So does the Pope which is why a lot of Catholics are now ignoring him and practicing like we always have, waiting impatiently for the next Consistory.

wheatietoo

Candice Owens smacks down the Socialist:

A.D. Everard

Ouch! LOVE Candice. What a powerful reply!

A.D. Everard

CandAce. Dang, sometimes I type too fast for my brain to kick in. Blah! 😛

fleporeblog

Really excellent interview with Corey Lewandowski and David Bossie with our President. The interview is from a few months ago. Our President is very candid throughout.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6429935/amp/Trump-rips-Obamas-administration-spying-campaign.html#click=https://t.co/bFpPCFlKbB
From the article linked above:
THE PRESIDENT: The greatest enemy of this country is Fake News. I really mean it. It’s hard to believe they get the word out and they stick with it. It is collusion, because they work together. You’ll see some things, like a certain phrase will be used, and they’ll stick together, and if it doesn’t work, they’ll go onto the next thing.
And they’ll all do it in unison. The newest one, that started last week, was “chaos in the White House.” It’s very dangerous what’s going on with the media. Very dangerous. And you’ve gotta have a lot of different outlets.
THIS IS A PERFECT EXAMPLE OF OUR PRESIDENT GETTING THINGS DONE!
THE PRESIDENT: You know what that letter was? I said we’re going to terminate the crummy (South Korean trade) deal. So, Lighthizer (Robert, United States Trade Representative), he’s great, comes in and says he won’t even call us back, sir. I said that’s great, tell them they have another two days, and after that I’m going to tax their cars. 25 percent on every car that comes in.
So Gary (Cohn) said, “Oh you can’t do that!” He’s a globalist. And he keeps saying oh you can’t. So I called up and I read it to him, I said here’s the story: We’re going to terminate your deal. It’s going to be terminated next week. I’m going to tax every goddamn car you sell.
So this guy (Lighthizer) walks into my office, and he says sir what happened? South Korea is calling me and begging me to come over and make a deal.
They wouldn’t even return my call. What happened? That was me! Then I’ve got to listen to this s**t. And if I didn’t do that, this country would be in trouble.
CL: If the American people could only remember you for one thing, what is the single greatest achievement so far of your presidency?
THE PRESIDENT: So, I would say that it would be the economy, and that means a whole lot of things. That takes care of regulation, taxes, everything. So, number one would be the economy and putting people to work.
More people are working today than in the history of our country. Millions and millions of people who were never working before. More people working today.
And the other thing would be judges. When I got here, I had 145 judges (vacancies), and Court of Appeals judges. The reason is President Obama, for whatever reason, got tired or bored or something, and when I came here, I had 145 judges! We’ve gotten 68 approved, and you’ll get the exact number but I think it’s 68. That’s a big deal.
When I finish, if I go just by a normal attrition rate, you know, judges retire, they leave office for various reasons including health and age, it’s possible that I’ll have replaced more than 50 percent of the judiciary. Not including, so far, looks like two Supreme Court judges. He should get approved.

Sylvia Avery

Wow! That was great, thanks for posting it!

Spab

I imagine you remember the JOURNOLIST scandal from a few years back. Prominent media pundits and reporters would gather at their secret site on the internet to collude on how to spin the news. It was disbanded but I am sure it has resurfaced under a new label. A rose by any other name….

churchmouse

Never-Trumper Mia Love loses re-election bid to the House, criticises President:

More here:
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/gop-rep-mia-love-rebukes-trump-in-concession-speech/
‘In her concession speech on Monday, Love, a two-term Republican representing the Salt Lake City suburbs and other communities in central Utah, denounced the commander-in-chief’s “world view” as one with “no real relationships, just convenient transactions.”
‘Earlier this month, in a remarkable post-Election Day news conference, Mr. Trump listed several moderate GOP incumbents, including Love, who appeared to have lost reelection. He touted their defeats as evidence that Republicans wanted lawmakers who would be in lockstep with the White House.
‘”Mia Love gave me no love and she lost” the president said, adding “too bad. Sorry about that Mia.”
‘”That is an insufficient way to implement sincere service in policy,” Love said on Monday, referring to the president’s jab.
‘In her second term in Congress, Love routinely distanced her from the Oval Office and sometimes directly criticized the president and his rhetoric …
‘Asked if she would run again in 2020, Love said she didn’t know. “We’ll see,” she added.
‘Love also stressed that her defeat will allow her to be more outspoken.
‘”Good news is I’m not going away but now I am unleashed. I am untethered. And I am unshackled. And I can say exactly what is on my mind,” she said.’

wheatietoo

Sounds like she’s auditioning for a job on the DNC channels.
Hmm…I wonder which one she will turn up on.
MSNBC?
CNN? …CBS or ABC?
She may do a tour of them all for a while.
I’m sure they’d all like to hear her spew some venom at our President.
Well, being a nevertrumper didn’t help her in this election…and it won’t help her win the next one!

Sylvia Avery

You are probably right. She can sit next to that toad person, Ana Navarro, and bleat. I forget what channel she is on. I find her especially annoying so I have to hit the remote as soon as I hear her voice croaking.

Sylvia Avery

Gah! What is WITH the Utah contingent of legislators? I’d like to shovel all of them. ****But I mean that in a fun, fond, we’re all just besties here kidding around kind of way not in a violent manner. ****

churchmouse

Sylvia, your figurative shovel talk is always welcome. 🙂
I don’t understand Utah legislators, either. Either MAGA or become a Dem.
She was against Trump from the beginning. Like most of that ilk, they never said exactly WHY they opposed him a few years ago and continue to do so now. Excuses like ‘I don’t like the way he talks’ don’t count. None of them has a policy argument. Not one.

Sylvia Avery

I was really sorry she lost her seat to a Dim, but you know if a Republican had to lose on a year when PDJT is scrambling for every Rep Congressman available….and the loser is Mia Love, well, we’ll carry on!
Seriously, what a disappointment she turned out to be.

Aubergine

I’m going to be very un-P.C. here. Utah is a weird place.
The Mormon religion leads to a strange culture. You can think you understand Mormonism, but until you really get down deep into it, you don’t.
Don’t get me wrong, I have Mormon friends, and they are nice people. But they do think quite differently about a lot of things. It’s like the Amish almost. They are SO very different socially. The Mormons are out in the world, but they don’t view the world like the average person does. I won’t get into too many details, but their religion is VERY directly and immediately influential in their daily lives. For example, if your child is a Mormon in good standing, but you are not, you cannot attend their wedding in the Temple. You aren’t even allowed through the doors.
The Mormons believe that their highest leader is in direct communication with God. As in, God tell him what the people are to do, and they do it. If God tells “the Prophet” that Mitt Romney had better vote yes to amnesty or anything else, if Mitt is a true devout Mormon, he’s gonna do what he’s told, believe me. It’s how to get into the “best” heaven (yep, there is more than one in that church).
Even non-Mormons who choose to live in Utah are subject to some unusual social norms, to say the least.

Sylvia Avery

I have had enough LDS friends to know that it is really difficult to grasp underlying motivations without knowing a lot about how their religion functions.

redlegleader68

This is why, this time around, it’s not a bad thing some “R’s” [Rinos] lost. Cull time.
Allow the Dhimms to make absolute fools of themselves for, oh, about 18 months or so, and then have to run on their well recorded sound bytes.

churchmouse

I hope you are right.

Deplorable Patriot

I can say it now, because once upon a time it was conservative blasphemy to utter this thought, but I never really liked her. Something was off. I wrote a blog piece about the speeches at the 2012 Republican convention, and readers jumped on me for excluding hers. There were a lot of people just gaga over her.
Looking back at it, she was being pushed to the audience. Hmm….

churchmouse

I can’t quite figure her out.
I liked her a lot but do not understand why she is so set against the President. I don’t know if it’s a Mormon issue or something else.

daughnworks247

Elected with real grassroots support from the Tea Party, she almost immediately sold out and accepted 1.4 million (open secrets filing) for a PAC fr her re-election from US Chamber.
If I remember correctly, Joni Earnst did the same thing, accepting 2.3 million.

MysticRose80

Mia Love: Another casualty of the Trump curse. Like a good Never Trumper, she’s lashing out at both POTUS and Republicans (and had the nerve to pull the race card on the latter).
CNN can have her. As a former supporter of hers, I say good riddance and no love lost.

andrew1979

I am unleashed.
I am untethered.
And I am unshackled.
powerful…

wheatietoo

I love Diamond and Silk.
They are fired up and blasting the Dems here…”Why aren’t you worried about American children!”

Sylvia Avery

They really are great. I admire them very much.

wheatietoo

This Mexican citizen is protesting against the Invaders.
This is good…he sounds like one of us.

JasonD

He’s a raciss nashunalist deplora-bastud

wheatietoo

Pres Trump mentioned the ‘Mars landing’ at one of the rallies last night.
He was referring to the InSight Lander…which touched down yesterday.
It has it’s own twitter account.
Heheh.

Deplorable Patriot

Whoever is doing NASA’s social media has a great sense of humor.

andrew1979

assuming that the visual on the solar panels is from some footage or images captured on earth before the flight to demonstrate how they work correct? that was not a live shot in other words.

PeteC

If mankind has never been able to achieve “peace on Earth,” then what would they take to Mars??? There is a reason for the former, which would inevitably be taken to the latter, until you take man and his fallen nature out of the way. Just sayin’….

Sylvia Avery

Chugging some cough syrup, tossing back a couple more aspirin, and hoping for sleep. Mornings are always interesting in Trump World. I always wake up and wonder, “Now what is going on?”

MysticRose80

Sorry that you’re not feeling well, Sylvia. Hope you feel better soon!

Deplorable Patriot

Feel better. This reminds me, though, that I have to get back into the Neti-pot and humidifier routine.

Nor'easter

Lots of liquids, especially water.
Bundle up and sweat it out.
Get well soon Ms. Avery.
We need you on the front lines!

daughnworks247

You probably already know this but here’s our family’s never fail recipe from the 60’s. You have to be desperate to do subject yourself, but it works.
Take a shower = get the steam working and wash off the trash.
4 shots of Bourbon, juice of one lemon, 1/4 cup honey –> microwave for 1 minute
Take with 4 Bayer aspirin. Smear the Vicks under your nose and on your neck, wrap with a scarf, and go to bed.
Hope you feel better!

Sylvia Avery

4 shots? Wow. I’d sleep well at least! I may give that a try. I think I have some Kentucky bourbon around here…. It couldn’t hurt, right?

Nor'easter

That’s the spirit!

churchmouse

Good pun. 🙂

churchmouse

Let us know how it goes!
Enquiring minds want to know. 🙂

Sylvia Avery

No videos of me dancing with a lampshade on my head. There’s a promise I can make! LOL

churchmouse

Good one! 🙂

churchmouse

Hoo-wee, daughnworks247, that’s quite the potion!

Tonawanda

* I should read before I open my mouth. I wrote a VERY long reply to a W reply and asked W if I could send it via the contact button. Then I actually read the “contact” post, which said to post things publicly. So I am going to post this. It is VERY long. There is nothing new or insightful, but W said something very important and I wanted to confirm what he said. So here goes, W’s post and then my reply. If I am being offensive in posting a long reply, please be blunt and tell me.
W:
I really have no idea what is going on at CTH, BUT I think it is really important for people to realize that both CTH and this site are under MASSIVE conditions of deception, demoralization, and Zersetsung (psychological degradation).
Imagine the technical abilities of the enemy focused on CTH to DESTROY IT. Imagine forces spread out around the world, using the latest technologies, working to degrade CTH in little, tiny, almost undetectable ways. Everybody does their little part in the war, and together, they crush the opposition.
Socialism. Alive and well.
We are seeing hints of that. Something is going on. I will not let whatever it is into here. But I have sympathy for Sundance, because I have watched them do this to other people.
Whatever they did to Drudge – whatever they did to Brock – whatever they did to so many others – they are doing to Sundance. That is where my money is.
Here is something you may not know.
I actually caught Deep State tampering with my shipments of MEDS. Incontrovertible proof, meticulously documented, and sent (documenting every step of the process with photos) to all parties involved. I am on camera in the shippers themselves taking photos of the evidence being sealed and sent back through them.
I know it sounds rather crazy, but DS did a slop job and indicted themselves, and it was amazing when I realized what I had in my very hands. I could not pass up NUKING Deep State with their mistake.
CHANGES WERE MADE in response. 😉
Nothing is beyond these creeps. NOTHING.
What did Q say? “See something. Say something.”
Trust me – it WORKS.
REPLY:
Wolfmoon, I hope you don’t mind my reproducing your reply to one of my posts, and my reply to your reply.
As cynical and disgusted as most Patriots are about American culture, society and politics, I do not believe they are cynical or disgusted enough.
You are the only person I read on the internet who talks explicitly about the Communists who have seized the cultural gateways of America, the power centers which manipulate and control the perceptions of Americans who do not understand what is happening. The important word in the preceding sentence is “Communists.” Many people can see the absurd duplicity of the daily propaganda barrage. What they do not see is the actual ideological dynamic and the people behind that dynamic.
Folks use the words “Democrat,” “liberal,” or sometimes “progressive” to describe the people who are behind the undeniable distortion of reality aimed at American citizens, the hundreds of empty propaganda words launched in support of a dozen mind-warping ongoing Narratives. These words are fuzzy truth evaders.
I use the word “leftist” as a more accurate, less fuzzy identifier, but Communist is the most faithful adjective. Pravda and Izvestia were published by powerful communists. Big Brother was the face of powerful communists, publicly “softened” by the word “socialist.”
I use the word “leftist” because using the word Communist was long ago successfully associated with the paranoid style in American politics. Sad, but a reality, a communist propaganda victory which endures until today. War is peace and communists don’t exist.
What we are seeing in America is, in detail, orders of magnitude greater than Soviet or Ingsoc propaganda. The bizarre (to me) but appealing fluffiness of Good Morning America is seamlessly interwoven with the carefully placed Narrative set pieces.
We don’t get to see the nomenklatura except in hagiographic glimpses if at all. We deal with the 1%, the millions of apparatchiki in the media, academia, bureaucracy, law enforcement, and the Democrat party. They all get dachas, but some dachas are better.
The daily necessities of life, hiring and firing, medical care, food and water, driving, shelter, communication, have slowly and are still slowly evolving into leverage points over the non-compliant. (The criminalization of American life, often loudly cheered by “conservatives,” is the step by step communist effort to achieve totality, along with 501[c][3]s).
We are seeing a new phenomenon with the lumpen apparatchik engaging in daily acts of subterfuge such as what you describe happened to yourself. Doxing is being used in very practical ways to harass and intimidate people, all under the radar, gaslighting.
Horowitz has written extensively about the red diaper babies. I have had actual experience with those people. My high school had them and my college had them plentifully. And in those places, there were many, many marxists who were not red diaper babies but who emulated them out of weak-mindedness or narcissism, the desire to feel and impose importance. These people, driven by ego and feelings, were mostly incoherent philosophically, but “property is theft” and “social justice” were good enough for them. I recommend The Possessed by Dostoyevsky for people to “get” the mentality.
In the spring of 1972 the college campuses erupted with “protests” purportedly war related. But I saw on my own campus (Columbia) how thoroughly communist organized and communist oriented the protests were. “Peace” was used to rope in the useful idiots, but the current political line was always the principal organizing and Narrative factor. The protests were against the war, but in substance were against the alleged “causes” of the war: America and capitalism. Amazing how very bright people can be so easily swayed and “convinced” by peer pressure.
(BTW, I organized and led the campus group which defeated the “strike” on our campus. You will never hear about this amazingly singular and stupendous event because communist defeats are non-history. There is a video online showing me interviewed as the “opposition” leader).
All this is a long-winded way of agreeing with your words about Sundance and CTH.
Sundance personally and explicitly attacked me as a poster, in effect calling me a liar and a traitor. I am a very flawed man, but lying and treachery (truth and loyalty) are the two areas where I am not flawed.
Sundance has had his Queeg moments over the years, but so have most of us, and it is unfair the judge people on those moments alone.
Plus, Sundance has his own idiosyncrasies, such as his reliance upon insinuation, the suggestion that he knows more about something, or has an unusual insight he is not sharing. His writing style is often confusing.
The idiosyncrasies are vastly outweighed by the good Sundance has done and the brilliance of his analysis. I always point to the Benghazi Brief as an unheralded masterpiece. His analysis of Trump’s economic program and strategy is unique, both in the sense of standing alone in the public square and being of singular insight. There is much more.
Wolf, I believe you understand exactly what is going on. It has been done to you, and likely has been done and is being done to Sundance. The essence of the leninist doctrine is repression. In a sense, 1984 is too soft soap, it does not have enough Brave New World. The level of sophisticated repression is without precedent. Hitler, Stalin and Mao were self-defeatingly crude in comparison.
The psychological insights available to the leninists are truly frightening. A person absolutely aware of them has to be overwhelmed nonetheless. A person not fully aware of them more so.
Nothing will diminish my respect for the bountiful good of Sundance, and I agree that judgment must be withheld in the absence of complete knowledge of his circumstances. Nowadays any brilliant person (as Sundance is) who is not in conformity with the communist program will be persecuted in very sophisticated ways.
I believe Trump has all the insight he could possibly have, and he has unique means, character and personality to face it. How he cheerfully survives is beyond me.
We Patriots need to give each other a break, and much mutual support, regardless of passionate disagreements on subsidiary points.

Deplorable Patriot

Amazing how very bright people can be so easily swayed and “convinced” by peer pressure.
IMO, best line in an extraordinary post. Most of my high school classmates (all-girls, private, top tier school) resemble the sentiment.

churchmouse

Great to see you here, Tonawanda!

Tonawanda

So wonderful to see you, too! I am so excited again.

churchmouse

Thank you!
‘I am so excited again.’ Me, too.

SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA

If you got banned (or just became banned for the unforgivable sin of posting here), then jump on the bannedwagon!
Either way, welcome!

Tonawanda

Actually, I got personally and explicitly attacked by Sundance. What he said was so off kilter I left the site voluntarily.
It was over the issue of whether Sessions was a deep state traitor, which I thought was very likely untrue.

SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA

I see.
I have a somewhat in-between view of Sessions and the recusal. I think it went something like this:
JS: Dems just pointed out I have to recuse on certain matters.
DT: Dang!! Well…we can work around it and still nail the crooks.
Later on, it becomes apparent that the recusal had far greater effects than PDJT and JS had suspected; all of the corruption they wanted to chase led to the Russia Thing and so they really couldn’t do anything. Unexpectedly, JS had become like a pinned piece in a game of chess.
So yes, I think PDJT was outmaneuvered, but that sort of thing happens, no battle plan ever survives contact with the enemy. But like any great general, he adapted and improvised, and now Whittaker is in charge, and some serious stuff should happen.
So, in my view Sessions wanted to do what was right, but couldn’t; he had been boxed in. I figure if he were actually a bad guy, he would have forced PDJT to fire him, which would NOT have allowed for the appointment of an acting attorney general.
The one thing I distinctly remember Q saying from before we all jumped here was “[ACTIVATE SESSIONS]”
And it seems like all we did was move him out of the way.

Tonawanda

Your analysis makes a lot of sense.
I don’t know what the story is, except I am pretty certain Sessions is an honorable, intelligent man.

SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA

An important feature of my hypothesis is that it was NOT planned from the very beginning to go this way; there’s no “64-D chess” involved. There was a genuine setback and it’s being overcome.

Tonawanda

A very plausible and human explanation.

Mary Morse

If Sessions had not recused, would we have seen any of the treachery? Recusal allowed the rats to run the cheese factory, and showed the extent of the infestation.

A.D. Everard

I’m sorry to hear that happened to you, Tonawanda. What Sundance did to you was uncalled for and completely out of place.
I began to back off when things turned sour and quit completely when I learned of so many good and decent people being banned, many of them utterly inoffensive.
I’m so glad you are here.

Tonawanda

TY. It is nice to see your initials!

A.D. Everard

Thank you. It’s good to be here. 🙂

Plain Jane

Excellent post. Thank you Tonawanda. No, not too long. 🙂

daughnworks247
phoenixRising

Senator-elect Josh Hawley is fired up to take on Jack !!!

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daughnworks247

Would be terrific if we were ready to fly people to Gitmo.
Being cautious and not getting my hopes up, it’s probably about the prison reform bill, getting it passed in the lame duck session.
PDJT held the round table in Mississippi yesterday and it was mostly about the crime bill. Lindsey was there at the table, pushing the bill along with Wicker and Cindy Hyde Smith, plus law enforcement.

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churchmouse

Wolf, do you know why nearly everyone at CTH despises Roger Stone? After all, he was a political strategist from the Nixon days. I never understood their antipathy towards him.

churchmouse

What a great analysis. Thank you very much. This is worthy of a separate post, with or without Stone.
‘Americans have been dumbed down by the media and Hollywood to think in stupid terms of “good guy” and “bad guy”.’ Which is why the ‘white hat’/’black hat’ thing is so annoying.
‘That said, the deception trolls at CTH push the anti-Stone narrative to help Mueller. So not everybody hates him for the same reasons, but there is a connection.’ HMM …
I can understand why the Left goes after Stone, so thanks for the explanation on why the GOPe supporters do it. Fascinating, especially after seeing comments to that effect on a MAGA site.
Your conclusion is an interesting one.
It’s amazing that someone whose name we’d never heard before this year has had so much influence over the past four decades. It’s unsettling when you think about it.
Yes, agree, ultimately, the American people are being deceived.

Plain Jane

I always assumed they hated Stone b/c of Stone’s loose affiliation with AJ.

churchmouse

Maybe that was it.
But, having listened to most of them in 2016, I never heard a Roger Stone interview that didn’t make sense. Hence my question. What were those commenters hearing that was in such contrast to his actual words?
I suspect it was a bit like, ‘I do not like Alex Jones, therefore Roger Stone is equally suspect.’ Therefore, they never actually listened to Stone’s interviews. Just like they dislike Q but have never bothered to read what Q actually says. Q’s hardly Karnak (the Johnny Carson character), yet everyone There makes him out to be just that.
No one ever came out and said why they did not like Roger Stone. Typical marching in lock-step. Sad.

Plain Jane

Yes, yes, and yes. I’d bet that more than half of them listened to Stone and AJ, but wouldn’t admit to it nor be somewhat interested about Stone because of peer pressure from the branches. That always cracked me up.

churchmouse

That’s funny — and probably true.
Thanks.

Plain Jane

I never set anything about Stone in stone, one way or the other. Always thought he was an interesting character though.

churchmouse

Me, too.

andrew1979

once you see a picture of john trump beside a picture of julian assange you never unsee it 🙂

Gudthots

Link? 🙂

Alison

This is minor, but it adds to recent peculiarities at CTH, and I wondered if any of you noticed… I track the followers # pretty closely.
Correct me if I’m wrong, Wolfie, but I think the way WPress works is ‘followers’ – as shown in the count on right side of CTH – are those who supplied an e-addy to be notified when SD publishes a post. If correct, I am aware there are far more readers than the 128k that supplied an e-addy, but we only have that one data point to evaluate flux in readership.
Nevertheless, that # was increasing consistently over time, and exponentially during a few time periods. However the last 2-3 months it has hovered between 127,700 and 128,000 irrespective of the huge # of new commenters we’ve seen at CTH (mostly fly-bys).
Why, suddenly when the # of comments AND variety of commenters increased, did the # of email followers remain static instead of growing? That lack of correlation is not consistent with what I’ve observed in the last 3 years.
It’s almost like someone is arbitrarily holding followers at a set #.

A.D. Everard

It could also indicate that many new posters are old posters using new names and/or multi-trolling. When a bunch of people turn up and all back each other on one side of an argument, it can be a single person using multiple personae.

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Emeraldstar

You’re doing a GREAT job, Phoenix!
Above and beyond!
You’re keeping us in the REAL news loop.
Congrats on your stellar performance … and thanks a BUNCH!
(Too much? Nah …)

phoenixRising

Ahhh, Blessings on you Emeraldstar…
Thanks…

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realsauce

niiice…. I especially love Justin on the fence…metaphorically speaking

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Deplorable Patriot

Looks like things are heating up.

phoenixRising

Deplorable,
I wonder from which hole in the ground Podesta has crept…
Lots of folks on twitter asking ‘where is Podesta’ … and
Viola’…

Deplorable Patriot

Looks like he is jumping at bait.

singularZoe

Wolf, can hardly wait to read it.

Deplorable Patriot

Playing whack-a-mole are we??????

phoenixRising

Larry has a THREAD… does he think POTUS can’t walk and chew gum at the same time? I’m just the messenger

andrew1979

did not read this thread – but i think everyone EVERYONE should take a second, and think about EVERYTHING they read, everyone they follow.
you can have ZERO trust in anyone mainstream, i am sorry to say that. and even those not so mainstream cannot be trusted – recent CTH example proving that.
everyone that is making money on anything. anyone that is growing their following. all of it, all of it needs to be taken as suspicious.
you can only trust yourselves people. if you even depend for a minute on the “words of someone” on the internet you are doing yourself a disservice.
read, ingest, inform yourself, retain info, archive stuff, but never become complacent in the least.

churchmouse

And didn’t Q warn against contributing to those who ask for financial contributions to their sites?
I know Q meant Q-related sites, but perhaps there’s also a broader message there.

Gudthots

There was a greater level of distinction on the warning about those who “monetize” their sites (J. Corsi) v. those who provide a link for donations (Praying Medic). The warning was for the former. Lot of discussion and dust kicked up about it back then. I’m just painting in generalizations, but others may remember more of the details of it.

churchmouse

Thanks very much.

churchmouse

Great thread, phoenixRising! Thanks for the link.

phoenixRising

‘Lobbying’ ??? Smells like sedition to me.
https://twitter.com/WatcherState/status/1067390636322627584

andrew1979

i think it’s time we bring back some public shaming via Pillory/Stocks for these folks.

churchmouse

Dem strategy: ‘Let’s call time on Trump’s success’.

churchmouse

Agreed, but President Trump will see that her — and their deeds — are brought to light.

Linda

14,000 people lose their jobs to help the communists with the midwest. There definitely needs to be some mega public shaming.

Mary Morse

Obama’s Government Motors, a “sustainable global enterprise” .

Plain Jane

Interesting that the UAW spoke up. Good.

Gudthots

So, let me get this right. They lobbied to put 14,000 people out of work to gain votes? These people are stupid.

andrew1979

i accidentally stumbled over to the NYT and couldn’t resist the top sponsored “opinion column”
“Maybe They’re Just Bad People : Not all Trump Support is Ideological.”
Michelle Goldberg has been an Opinion columnist since 2017. She is the author of several books about politics, religion and women’s rights, and was part of a team that won a Pulitzer Prize for public service in 2018 for reporting on workplace sexual harassment issues.
it appears to me that there will be no bridge unburnt when all is said and done.

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zoontexas

A Global Display Oh Human Trafficking Incidents And News
http://human.globalincidentmap.com/

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Deplorable Patriot

And I’d like to be a fly on the wall the next time one of the priests from his Alma Mater visits him for fundraising purposes. The Marinists can dish guilt with the best of them.

Sylvia Avery

This is interesting. I saw this guy (never heard of him before) on Tucker last night. He had apparently been on after Alex Jones was “unpersoned” talking to Tucker about AJ and how if we don’t stand up for him we’re all going down and he predicted they’d be coming for him soon and eventually probably Tucker, too.
His story about what happened to him at Twitter was quite interesting. Glad he got reinstated. He must have had some really made followers pushing hard on his behalf, or maybe they didn’t like the attention on Tucker’s show.

Deplorable Patriot

One of the things that is driving me nuts about the current state of affairs with the media is that reports of good news remain local or buried. Here’s one story that needs trumpeting.
https://www.theepochtimes.com/4300-va-workers-fired-demoted-suspended-for-negligence-under-trump_2724418.html

phoenixRising

Epoch Times is GOOD journalism…
Thanks for the link DP… POTUS mentioned at several rallies that his Admin has gotten rid of the people at VA who were mistreating Vets and/or not taking care. I had NO IDEA the number was as high as 4300.

phoenixRising

article attached to tweet is full of names and charges (in Arkansas)
https://twitter.com/WeAreOne_Q/status/1066780553641381889

Sylvia Avery

Wow. Dense with details. Really makes you wonder! Maybe the CF really is about to explode!

Sylvia Avery

Well, I checked in to see if there were any border riots or any of the cabal had been arrested. I’m dragging myself out hacking and coughing to walk the dog and then back to bed for while. Don’t start the revolution without me, ha ha.

phoenixRising

take care of yourself… rest, rest and rest some more.
we’ll send up a flare if anything earth shattering occurs.

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I will wager there will be no State Dinner for PM Theresa May in the years to come.
So, a sitting president (zero) and a British Home Sec’y (in charge of intel) are up to their eyeballs in spying on a presidential candidate, president-elect and sitting president.

Sylvia Avery

pR, I appreciate so much how you find interesting stuff to post here. I always loved that over there, too, and I am happy every day that you are here doing your thing. You light up my day.
This was a most interesting piece.

Deplorable Patriot

Missed this one this morning:

Deplorable Patriot

He’s protesting a bit too much.

Sylvia Avery

I know, right? Talk about over the top emoting! Wow! He sounds…crazed.

Plain Jane

Pretty juvenile Brennan. Up it a notch by saying PT’s mother wears army boots, why dontcha.

singularZoe

Think that’s because Brennan Is a communist

Plain Jane

Then HIS mother wore army boots. Lol

Nor'easter

Project much Brennan?

GA/FL

Brennan is projecting…. he is the one whose name will be scorned…along with Mueller, Obama, Hillary, McCabe, Ohr, Holder, Lynch….

phoenixRising

THREAD

rayzorbak

I can’t wait till tomorrow for this comment……. (I’ll probably forget) :)….
This whole Lucy vs Charlie Brown kicking the football thing is out of hand…..
I say: This time…… KICK lucy (Demoncraps) in the effing MOUTH! to hell with the “football”!

Linda

Now this is an interesting read, if true:
Florida Ex-Cop Turned Whistleblower Says Seth Rich Gave Him DNC Files
http://risegop.com/index.php/2018/11/24/florida-ex-cop-turned-whistleblower-says-seth-rich-gave-him-dnc-files/
He explains how he got the files from Seth Rich and eventually passed them on to WikiLeaks. He didn’t even know who Rich was until after he’d been murdered and he saw his picture.

Plain Jane

Linda, what do you think about the possibility that this might be for real. It might be a tad sweet for JA, but won’t really help JA in a big way. It is a curious story.

daughnworks247

Hey guys!!!! Gather ’round. I have a mini ground report from Mississippi Senate Election. Turnout in our little district is through the roof for a special election, which is very good. Over history, our special elections average 11% to 16% turnout. We’re at about 25-28% tonight, from what I can tell.
Husband went at 8:00am and already had over 100 voters in our little precinct #2.
He went again at 3:00 for precincts 1, 3, and 4 and we had almost 1400 + 253 absentee at the clerk’s office. in 8K total registered.
I went late, just got home, 20 minutes before polls close. In our precinct 2, we had 514 voters at 6:30pm.
Ladies said they were busy. No mass bussing today.
Cold tonight in Mississippi and the air is clear as a bell. Beautiful. Saying a little prayer for Cindy and MAGA!

Sylvia Avery

Definitely praying!!!

daughnworks247

Congratulations, WolfMoon, we have two pages of comments. We are growing!

SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA

It’s the bannedwagon effect.

daughnworks247

The moniker of “BannedWagon” is perfect. Deliciously clever.

SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA

The one I wish I could take credit for is “Urinalist.”
To the best of my knowledge I came up with “Yellow Stream Media” but someone else followed it to its logical conclusion. Oh well, that’s a good one to be the straight man on.

Plain Jane

LOLOL.

phoenixRising

phoenixRising

POTUS is getting P.O.’d

Tonawanda

Thank goodness for the thoughtful people on this site.

MysticRose80

Let’s hope that this is never implemented in the US….ever:
China’s Terrifying Social Credit System

kalbren2r1

They are trying very hard to implement this here too.

andrew1979

the foundation is 100% laid already. the features are there, they just have to be turned on. the only difference is we don’t know it (broadly) yet, and it does not affect our daily lives (yet)…not trying to be negative, but just stating the fact. beware of everything. especially convenient things.

phoenixRising

Remember to keep POTUS and family in your prayers.

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kalbren2r1

Bahaha haha that’s funny right there. I see she was wearing witchy black. Keep an eye on the children, don’t leg them out of your sight.

daughnworks247

Woohooo for Mississippi.
Here’s the final results for MY COUNTY.
Eligible voters = 16,846
Voted = 7,926 = 47.05% (stunning turnout in a special election)
Cindy Hyde Smith = 4,782 = 60.42%
Espy (the crook) = 3,116 = 39.40%
She won my county by 21%
We delivered!!!!!!!!!

Sylvia Avery

Way to Go!!!! How is it going statewide?

daughnworks247

We’re up by about 11 points with over 50% reporting. Espy campaign turned off the television monitors at their campaign party. So typical for a Dem – don’t want the people to know the truth.

phoenixRising

great job Daughn !!!

daughnworks247

I’m so happy, Phoenix. We were really worried. It’s been outright warfare on the ground.

Linda

The NYT has now called it for Cindy. Probably the rest of the lying media have, too, but since I no longer have TV, what do I know. 🙂

Linda

Hmmm. What was it that Q fella said? Oh, that’s right –
53-47

andrew1979

president trump made a point to state that also yesterday at both rallies. it was “very important”… 🙂

Emeraldstar

Whaddya know! It really IS … “53-47”!
ThanQ!

Roberta

Love it. My parents were late adopters and although I do not know the exact date they brought that beast into our home, this child did not get sat in front of it for hours on end.
Never owned one, m’self, except by proxy when caring for my parents. Raised my children without it (and they thanked me that they grew up with books, reading aloud as a family took the place, and eventually saw a few movies as a family (once the eldest was around 12!).
They can do as they like when they are grown…Until they are, I preferred to expose them to the classics, in writing…..
Ludite? Been labeled that.

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LOTS of people upset about this…

https://twitter.com/ArthurSchwartz/status/1067618361398448130

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Gudthots

Woah.

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Plain Jane

Bad trip? Or just reoccurring verbiage from working with the Klinton people?

A.D. Everard

Well that sounds like fun…

wheatietoo

He may be working on his ‘insanity plea’.
If he convinces people that he is ‘insane’…then he wouldn’t be called to Testify.
His testimony would be declared “unreliable”.
Reines knows a lot; he knows about a lot of Clinton criminal activity…and probably facilitated some of it.

Linda

Yes, I would bet one of those indictments is for him. “Panic in DC.”

wheatietoo

Yep…and he probably doesn’t want to get Arkancided, either.
If he convinces people that he’s insane, then anything he might say…can be dismissed as “crazy talk”.

rayzorbak

Did he have any “interns” in his office? Under the desk maybe?

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wheatietoo

Thanks, Wolf.
And no pressure on posting that one you’ve been working on.
Post it whenever you’re happy with it…and not before.

Gudthots

Not sure if this has been posted here already. Written prior to July, an addendum was added A few days back.
WWG1WGA: The greatest communications event in history

“Only small secrets need to be protected. The large ones are kept secret by the public’s incredulity.”
 — Marshall McLuhan (HT @LionelMedia)

A time like no other in history
Having applied all of my integrity, intellect and insight to researching the matter, my belief is that we are witnessing right now one of the greatest communications events in history. Indeed, it is arguably the singularly greatest. So, what is this event, and why does it deserves this extraordinary description? The answers are to be found in how the (Western) mass media has been trapped by the most exquisitely constructed double bind.
More:
https://medium.com/@martingeddes/wwg1wga-the-greatest-communications-event-in-history-698ba926df64

Mary Morse

This is an excellent op/ed. He’s written several interesting articles with excellent links to back them. After reading several hundred pages of US military documents related to PSYOP yesterday, I think he’s spot-on.
If it quacks like a duck…
Thanks for posting.