The amazing thing about all of this….
— Matt Couch (@RealMattCouch) December 18, 2018
Still nothing to do with Russian Collusion….
Unbelievable… #Flynn
This is sounding more reasonable. https://t.co/8q6LOdl2ds
— Fauxlanthropist (@dekdarion) December 18, 2018
Curious. If Flynn was an unregistered foreign agent for this penny ante stuff, does that set up Hillary for being charged as an UFA on a far far far grander scale?
— Bill Mitchell (@mitchellvii) December 18, 2018
The FARA violations seem far more serious than the non-lie to the FBI.
— Cernovich (@Cernovich) December 18, 2018
Flynn is a war hero, so I don’t take Turkey allegations at face value.
Mueller let Flynn off of a potentially serious case about Turkey to keep the Russian conspiracy theory alive.
Quite the plot twist.
You are getting a front-row view of how the FBI runs a guy's life and essentially blackmails people to plead guilty even when they are not.
— Thomas Paine (@Thomas1774Paine) December 18, 2018
I have no idea what is going on here. Let’s figure it out.
W
I’ll be the first to say I am waiting…..breathlessly….for some kind of video or audio of the proceedings as described by NYGuy54…
knowing what was said certainly won’t clear up WHY it’s being said…I wish this was a book so I could skip to the end so I would know what’s really going on too!
You’d miss all the action if you did that! The best part of the story is the actual story. Just sayin’. 🙂
You are very sweet. I will always remember that.
Here is Cardillo’s take:
Weissman is a Democrat hit man/pit bull/smear artist/etc.
Flynn deserves to be exonerated and Mueller/Weissman and their coterie of Democrat operatives drawing fat paychecks on the Special Counsel deserve the gallows.
I’m going to disagree in a weird way. I think it is very important he gets sentenced. If we want to go after the Deep State, the good general needs to accept his punishment. Now we can argue over what the punishment should be but he needs to get out of his NDA.
I’m not gonna argue with a NYGuy! :8->
Seriously – I’m hoping Trump and Flynn and the good guys have a plan….hoping beyond hope!
me too but this is more thrilling than an Alfred Hitchcock movie. The plot twists are rather remarkable
NYGuy54, ….”plot twists are rather remarkable” and it makes The Hunger Games seem rather elementary which is saying “a lot” for me because I could only read the books but could not tolerate the visuals in the 1st part of the 1st movie so didn’t bother with the rest of the movies! I did learn the difference of my processing written words vs audio/visual words if that makes any sense!
yes I understand that completely
I mean, my previous question still reigns supreme in my mind: did he or didn’t he take a foreign country’s $$$ WHILE serving as NSA?
And was that part of a plan to nab bad guys?
Keep in mind that Lt. Gen. Flynn’s “pay-grade” is WAY above Judge Sullivan’s.
I’d wager Sullivan SEES the minefield he’s in. And, given Flynn’s unerring position – FORCING all others to do what they’re required, under the law, to do – Sullivan wisely “punted”.
At worst, it’s a non-negative outcome, for Flynn, and for US. At best, it gives us the time we need to sew things up TIGHT.
Remember PDJT’s statement, that he MAY drag the investigation on for a bit.
Two cents – right there! lol
Spooks gameplan stuff out. They understand the risks. That’s why they are good at being spooks.Today I foiund out how little I actually knew about Flynn’s real motivations.
Bizarre…Sullivan offered to allow Flynn to reconsider retracting his plea numerous times…he said no. The Judge asked if his attorneys thought he had been entrapped–they said no.
Then Sullivan started to rail on Flynn about being an unregistered foreign agent…throwing out the word treason…wondered WHY Flynn brought attention to the contentious 302’s and then did nothing about it…
Flynn’s attorneys then agreed to a short recess to allow Flynn to reconsider delaying sentencing. Coming back from a recess they agreed to a delay…March 13, 2019
Is this guy credible and on-scene?
IKR????
Treason is HUGE–you don’t throw around words like that then say oh sorry…MSM is going to RUN with that pig for weeks!
Judge may have figured out what’s going on and hammed it up.
Yes and MSM running with it puts it in the huge public spotlight like nothing else could which will prove valuable very soon I believe! 🙂
MSM is going to RUN with that pig for weeks! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
That! It puts ‘treason’ at the top of the page, the lead in every discussion. It should make treasonous asshoes nervous.
There is an enormous amount of reverso on this stuff. It’s making my head spin, but it’s pretty cool. I’m seeing what is happening, but the MSM will never believe it. And the white hats KNOW it.
W – do we think that all of this has to do with Flynn’s NDA??
It goes way beyond that. The NDAs are a form of cover, IMO.
I think Mueller thought he was chasing a harmless snake, and caught a tiger’s tail.
There was a reason Obama got rid of Flynn. I don’t think Ozero was certain of what Flynn was up to, but I think he suspected Flynn was not as dumb as he appears.
I heard Flynn in person, standing feet away, and I’ve got the radar, baby. I did not pick up the signal. I walked away thinking OMG – Trump is in trouble with this guy. He’s an idiot. WRONG. Holy fxxxing shit, was I wrong. Now that I’ve figured it out, this guy is a tungsten carbide wrench that jumped into the commie lawfare machinery and ground it to a halt.
Obama’s cunning “lead from behind” (as in chariot-driving) is like kids in the back seat going “ARE WE THERE YET???” next to what Flynn is doing here. This stuff is LEGENDARY.
Flynn is as helpless as a neutron fired into uranium. Indestructible, exploding everything around him – fundamentally transforming – and in the end he either goes off into history as a neutron or come back out as a proton, but otherwise still there.
Flynn MUST have understood the game on a level that nobody else did. Holy shit.
My view of this thing is shaken up bigly.
Nobody is going to believe what I think. Much of it we may never know. Some possibilities I don’t even want to think about.
Patriots in control. I believe it now.
Admiral Rodgers goes to visit Trump BEFORE Flynn is named as NSA. (IIRC) What’s the likelihood that Rogers told Trump that Flynn is involved with a counter-intel op and must be allowed to complete it so the deep state can be broken?
Rogers is the guy we have heard nothing from or about since that dinner where DJT seated him at the head of the table. It’s like he’s driving Musk’s Tesla to Saturn, he’s been that quiet.
Someday we will know more of the plan. I think there may be parts we’ll NEVER know.
Just thinking out loud here. I know this is a way wild shot in the dark.
Who else can we think of who are/ were unregistered foreign agents while working for the state department. I’m sure there are others, did they get sentences…is there a precedent already set within the past 25 or so years.
If Flynn gets sentenced, would it be easier to prosecute others?
The name Podesta comes to mind!
Yes. And cohorts.
And The Clinton Foundation!
Sure did.
Huma Abedin
Covadonga, very true.
https://twitter.com/MAGALogiQ/status/1075088278611726336
So if that accusation was up Mueller’s behind to pull, that accusation is off the taable.
Anybody who touches the “treason” label on Flynn will turn to lead.
“Q the media in 3…2…1…” 😉
Love it.
The media KNOWS that the FARA treason commentary from the judge is pure poison. They are already DEFENDING Flynn!
https://www.mediaite.com/trump/dan-abrams-says-michael-flynn-got-railroaded-at-hearing-judge-either-unprepared-or-vindictive/
So transparent. Once you see it…
Thanks, Wolfmoon, for helping me open my eyes.
there is no date YET for sentencing ? Correct?
Yes.
Status hearing only, NOT sentencing.
Welcome back, Phoenix!
glad to be back… missed you guys!
Gang’s almost all here – still a few stragglers [left over there] but W’s onto something big here…just sayin’ … 😉
Speaking of “over there”, SD seems to be getting “weird”. Don’t know what his problem is.
I just noticed “that” this morning reading the “President Trump is Not The Issue – It’s Those Who Oppose Him…” article.
Writing is waaayy off and the constant repeat of paragraphs is puzzling. Maybe Butch Cassidy’s taken over the authorship. 🙂
Rush and Andrew McCarthy said Mueller doesn’t want Flynn to be sentenced and will put it off as long as possible – BECAUSE if Flynn appeals – Mueller gets investigated and will be exposed/ go down/fry!
I missed most of Rush today…eye appointment…too much iPad maybe. 🙂
I think it was yesterday or the day before…I was out running errands, listening to the car radio.
Thanks GA/FL
ok so here’s what happened as far as I can tell.
The SC charges Flynn’s associates yesterday. The judge accuses Flynn of being an unregistererd foreign agent because of that and asks the SC if Flynn committed treason and the SC SAID HE DID NOT!!!!!
They come back from lunch, the judge apologizes for implying Flynn was an unregistered foreign agent. Almost right after that, Flynn’s attorneys decide to accept the delay.
WOW. I think I’m seeing this.
AWESOME–explain it to me–use kindergarten words please!
I’m going to wait a minute. “Still collating”. The judge is definitely getting wise here.
Like character “Data” – I get it!
thanks…and KUDOS for the title of the thread–gonna be my new catch phrase…what the Flynn? Love it!
Judge gave Deep State their “fake news” ???
Mueller will get his pound of flesh? SC still ongoing through March???
Keep. Trump. Contained. That’s the mission now.
I don’t think this is good for Mueller actually. They just destroyed the notion that Flynn committed treason
Flynn is finding a bunker in the briar patch because he hears the planes coming.
Not sure….but this is so dramatic.
Yep.
nailed it…then ripped the rug out from underneath them.
WOW. Judge is wising up quick.
the judge just blew up the assertion that Flynn was a spy against America. Flynn will not change his plea. I think he decided to accept the delay to allow the judge to more fully investigate the phony 302s
SMART!!! Yes, this is a game of bad IC vs. good IC, everybody pretending to be everybody else, and the NET EFFECT tells you the intent. Scary complicated box of snakes – the tell is WHERE IS THE BOX DELIVERED AND WHY.
more details will unfold…this is amazing. the judge essentially made fools out of the media.
A box of snakes is no big deal if they are garter snakes. 🙂
LOL! Yeah, at that point the box of snakes and box of doves are simply MESSY! 😉
Was this, indeed, all a set up? IMO, we need to put this into the larger perspective of the Clinton crime gang. Just a feeling I’m getting, tho. What did the Judge get out into the public by doing this?
well he did get the 302’s out there in the public…
Clinton’s……Podesta’s……where might this lead?
off a cliff I hope
oh yeah…this is a major loss for the Russian collusion story.
So friggin’ amazing! Our POTUS is blessed, and we blankety-blank well know why!
Oh, PR, of course, I get it now.
No wonder our system of courts and justice is so screwed up. Everyone is lying and no one seems to want to hold the other side accountable. They should conduct their trials in the gift shop of the local country club. It is ridiculous.
This is the basic problem of undercover as a way of busting people. It turns into a royal mess. Then mix that with corrupt and political and selective prosecutions, and it turns into an ugly mess. Then add parallel construction and it turns into a LIE. Then add communists and it turns into EVIL.
I recall an early Q post stating that a some point things would necessarily get messy. Sorry I can’t remember which post.
This TURKEY thing is all about Gulen.
Gulen is the radical cleric who lives in Pennsylvania.
Gulen has 160 ‘charter’ schools across the USA, where he teaches Islamic law, and Sharia, etc. Surprised?
Gulen’s organization is funded by an organization who heavil donates/donated to the Clinton Foundation. Surprised?
Also, and very important, Gulen’s organization receives MORE H1B Visas than all of Google.
Whoa.
True.
Patriot’s Soapbox did a deeeeeeep dive into Gulen last night. Docs, spreadsheets, galore.
It appears as though Erdogan, in this instance, was correct in wanting Gulen returned to Turkey and trialed. Looks like Gulen was being protected by the USA/State Dept/ and Clinton Cabal.
Looks like General Flynn and his overly passionate son were digging into the issue of Gulen and the problems therein—- which might have triggered the FBI.
Ya’ think?
I wonder if Flynn had a hand in the 2016 coup attempt in Turkey? Gulen was blamed for the attempt!
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2016/12/turkey-failed-coup-attempt-161217032345594.html
I don’t know. Erdogan is an ass, for sure. But so is Gulen, and it is clear Flynn did not like Gulen and what Gulen was doing. Flynn smelled the rat stench. What Flynn had or knew, we may never know.
Erdogan is VERY tricky. He is better than most spies. Gulen is like a bait-casting briar patch. “Don’t you dare run away from me to the United States and do what I want, you scoundrel!”
Once you see it, you can’t unsee it. But they throw enough real bombs at each other and draw blood, that the story of their opposition makes sense. And Erdogan is not above dragging Gulen home and sacrificing him to close out the deal.
You thought “frenemies” were bad – “fake frenemies” are *really* complicated. 😉
I don’t trust ANYTHING about either Erdogan or Gulen. ANYTHING. These guys are pure Ottoman intrigue.
Flynn descended into an absolute pile of Turkish bullshit *on purpose*, IMO, but we will never prove it, because DIA make the Turks look like amateurs. Mueller and his pack of corrupt Democrats took the bait disguised as different bait and now have to live with it.
Who has who by the balls? Impossible to tell in this briar patch.
Get your popcorn, people! This is getting good.
Gen Flynn’s son got in trouble early on by making a public comment about the child trafficking. Flynn had to leave the Trump admin right after that. It was too soon to bring it up. The case had to be tied down.
“Nature is the best cover.” -Natural Things
This whole thing is a symphony of deception in service of good. It explodes in so many dimensions I lose track. I thank G_d I lived to see this.
No story could be written in this universe to compare to this universe.
************
Patriotism lives on.
W
Bwwhahaa, Wolfie, husband came home and used the word, “Byzantine”, I replied and said, “No, Ottoman”.
It’s fun to watch, though.
*screaming laughter*
OMG, this is too much fun! 😀
I fear we will never know the truth as well, daughworks247! But Q said that Flynn was a “Patriot!”
Flynn Knows Where Bodies Buried
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4 Dec 2017 – 11:24:14 PM
Who knows where the bodies are buried?
FLYNN is safe.
We protect our Patriots.
Q
He’s a patriot. Nobody will ever convince me otherwise.
BUT HE’S DAMN LUCKY THEY ARE LETTING HIM OFF, THE KNUCKLEHEAD!
Whoops. Forgot to add a winkie. Or did I?
Yes, I agree wolfmoon. He is very lucky they are letting him off! And yes, Flynn will always be a Patriot!
*bad civilian salute*
sunnydaysall,
Most of the national security/foreign policy patriots I follow, Frank Gaffney at Secure Freedom Radio and so forth, tend to think that that “coup” was engineered by Erdogan himself to provide necessary gaslighting for him to execute or imprison all his remaining enemies, especially in the Turkish military.
Here or in the Treehouse in the last month or so I’ve seen a hypothesis floated that Gulen might be “controlled opposition” to Erdogan. They want basically the same type of Shari’a society, and were big allies up until recently.
Otoh, an expert on Turkey, Harold Rhode, was saying on Secure Freedom Radio Tuesday that the Erdogan/Gulen fight seems to be real.
Not sure how it all connects to Rodham and her crime family.
Very interesting that this Reuter’s Article was updated yesterday.
Headline: Trump did not commit to extradite Gulen.
Claims Flynn, was working on the extradition of Gulen.
Weird timing??????
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-turkey-usa-gulen-extradite/trump-did-not-tell-erdogan-he-would-extradite-gulen-white-house-official-idUSKBN1OG2BZ?fbclid=IwAR2Yq4hMqZzP3EW7RUxMmcAgMLd8F1m6D-HtT4oEXIvWCsJwWgJVS3jcwgI
Thread is up now from Jim Hoft, Gateway Pundit, claiming Flynn was trying to get Gulen extradited.
Here is another article claiming Flynn is expected to be a witness in the trial of other Turkish lobbyists.
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2018/12/show-trial-disgrace-judge-sullivan-suggests-mike-flynn-committed-treason-for-turkish-lobbying-that-he-has-not-been-convicted-of/?fbclid=IwAR2PPHyLwDj2a1yoKsJOMSbwn5eLL1WKjFEfIxvTUijhzLS6CGGqSoFTV6U
https://twitter.com/Winterpatriot45/status/1075112415925293056?fbclid=IwAR3Yb5dI2fzNQbRhvKnsR1__f8vSmO_y4fBrTKPNiiQGyreV8VfdMofUSV0
Interesting and beyond.
Whoa! What is with flep? This is not accurate at all…..
fleporeblog says:
December 18, 2018 at 1:15 pm
He isn’t framed for “Russia Collusion”! He committed a crime when it came to Turkey. He thought he could make a quick buck and possibly involved his son. He got the lesser of two evils. No matter what time he gets, it would be multiplied by 15 for his role with Turkey.
Ask him but the judge is not going to go after Flynn for the FIG stuff. He freakin apologized for it.
IK,R? Confuses me…..that’s all….
“What is with flep?”
Never underestimate the effectiveness of psy-ops, whether from the cabal or the Eeyore blogs.
“He committed a crime”
Right here – see? – flep is BUYING INTO the agitprop LSM media.
Even the “lie” tag that Mule-head tried to label Patriot Flynn with … is spurious. The word “sanctions” came up in the illegally-leaked convo … but they were talking about TALKING about sanctions. There wasn’t anything substantive.
Flynn (paraphrase): “Let’s agree to talk later about this.”
Mueller (paraphrase): “See!!! You TALKED about this!”
It’s all rhetorical jabberwocky.
“What is with flep?” I don’t know but it confirms my decision to place CTH in the same space as I placed the Drudge Report many moons ago….because they need a “safe space” outside my realm of processing information!
That sounds nothing like Fle. Really, not even the subject matter.
Something odd about CTH these days?
I am now beginning to realize where Flynn was going. He wants the judge to give him probation and a fine. That way the NDAs go away and his evidence can go forward.
Our idea of justice is clearly different than the master spy. I think he gamed Mueller out. We will see.
so Mueller deliberately ignored the Brady rules–trying to infuriate the Judge who would then nudge Flynn into changing his plea thereby keeping the NDAs in place? wow my figure-this-out muscle hurts…lol
No I honestly think the judge just blew it. He got out in front of his skis. He realized it and made a public mea culpa.
I think you’re right, NYG.
“He got out in front of his skis.”
“NO SLOPE FOR YOU!!!” haha
omg that’s funny
‘course there’s the thought that this guy Sullivan isn’t who he was reported to be … just sayin’ … 😉
no doubt about it…
Oh crap, this just happened.
Remember how Q keeps referencing the EO Trump signed on Dec 21, 2017 about Human Rights abuses? Seizure of assets?
Take a look: VERY interesting hidden tidbit just happened.
Note:
Tuesday, 18 December 2018
POTUS has sent a letter to the Speaker of the House extending the National Emergency declared in Executive Order 13818 of December 20, 2017
Blocking the Property of Persons Involved in Serious Human
Rights Abuse or Corruption
https://twitter.com/POTUS_Schedule/status/1075097100608770054
i don’t understand the “oh crap” part of it…can you explain?
Oh crap, meant, oh, lookie here, this is something important because Q talks about it frequently. Not sure why Q talks about it but he/they do.
Well, it has just been extended.
that’s good, right?
That could explain a lot depending on where the investigations are and what else has been uncovered in the last 12 months.
Official statement
https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefings-statements/text-notice-continuation-national-emergency-respect-serious-human-rights-abuse-corruption/
That’s it for me folks. I tried to give you updates and my opinions as well. Agree or disagree with me but this has been a very dramatic day.
if I drank, I’d say have a cold one on me, thanks, and relax…
Agreed. Thank you for your service. I think you raised the bar here. People see that it’s not simple. That’s what we needed!
Thank you and hey Wolf this Robert Barnes thread is flat out brilliant
Yes – Barnes is right. Flynn is dodging on non-Russia. But what and why. Thankfully, the Wictor truth is so unbelievable that Flynn’s cover will hold, IMO.
This will always be regarded as delusion and a conspiracy theory.
I want to let a few more crazy Qewzies in on it. This is clearly nuts, but just ride along with my delusions. A few will, like me, be unable to “unsee” it.
The question of the “non-Russia charges” comes up. Flynn doesn’t want to talk about that, Mueller no longer wants to talk about that, and the judge no longer wants to talk about that. WHY?
It’s because Mueller spider’s web caught one corner of one tread of a frigging DIA tank that just crushed it, yet the tank is invisible and nobody can prove it’s there, but the spider’s web is being crushed under “something”. That something is what nobody can talk about. Something intended from the very beginning.
Thomas Wictor was right all along.
“You guys want to entrap me? BY ALL MEANS DO SO. Here look at this, many levels deep, until you piss your pants.”
Ask how many of those chains lead back to Mueller.
My take is that Mueller and his gang know what is going on, what their tire-biter operation accidentally latched onto, and are hoping that the media and the House of Commies can help pull this out to a stalemate, or at least buy them time. Everybody plays the LAWFARE game forward into the future, hoping to win later. The media will pick up the “treason” ball – our side knows it, and doesn’t care, because it’s a glitter bomb with fart spray that will further destroy MSM credibility.
This whole thing is glorious once you see it. Flynn is a mega-hero who just keeps growing his take – turning one sting into two more like a chain reaction. My question is only whether they will let him ride all the way along to Gitmo as an informant. The neutron that just kept going. OMG – some people would PAY to have that role.
But I think they pop him out at some point. We’ll see.
Nobody will ever convince me that Flynn isn’t a cross between James Bond and Gomer Pyle, but it’s so unbelievable and brilliant, I hope I’m the only person who sees it.
Nope. Flynn is a dope. Shouldn’t have gotten mixed up with those Turks. Yeah, that’s right. That’s my story from here on out. I could only hope as a patriot for a cell next to the guy and people scratching their heads why in the fuck I would want that.
Wictor was right. Q is right. That idiot Flynn is a patriot. Conspiracy theory!
Anybody with me? Anybody see it? 😉
So much easier to accept that the guy is a dope. So I give up. He’s a dope. 😉
Wolfie! “treason ball …is a glitter bomb with fart spray ‘!!! Hilarious!!!! and Yup! I see it too! Starting to believe not only Potus and Wictor are genius–but our very own blog host is one too!!!
Thanks! <3
Time for popcorn, and when we're done we put the bowls on our heads and salute Flynn! And Wictor! And Roseanne! 😉
I do miss Wictor, and Twitter was not the same when he left… Twitter did not deserve his genius! I loved his videos! And I loved the way he could make a point and blow your mind in the process!!
Ya gotta love Mark Pober! Engineer extraordinaire! An Engineer who is “over the top”!! lol!
“A glitter bomb with fart spray”
Sorry, Mark! Mark Rober!!
Yes! That was my inspiration – thanks for the reference! This is a must-watch!!! 😀
Didn’t know what or why, but from sometime shortly after PT let him go for “lying” to MP, I had thoughts that MF was under cover and it was going to be big. I still don’t understand the what nor why, I have not seen Wictor’s take, but I am witcha WM.
I never looked closely at the Pence question until just recently, but once I saw what they did it made my blood boil, and fully confirmed to me that PDJT is right – parts of the press ARE in fact the enemy of the people.
I think they need to have pressies IN COURT about that question. Just READ it – it was CAREFULLY worded to nail Flynn. CAREFULLY worded.
NOW – imagine Trump and Flynn and Pence reviewing the statement. Flynn can see it’s a trap. Trump can see it’s a trap. Pence is an unknown to me – I’m wiser on snakes than he is, but his extra dove would have been able to explain his answer (obvious to me) and be believed.
SO – right then – they know it’s a TRAP.
NEVER let a spy figure out that something is a trap while there is still enough time to load it up with exploding cigars, IEDs, MOABs and suitcase nukes.
And litter, used kittie litter….oh, that’s supposed to be glitter.
“All that litters is not mold!” 😉
ROTFLMAO
“…I thought that MF was under cover…” At first I misinterpreted “MF” as “motherf***er”. Fruedian?
Only if we were speaking of …you fill in the blank. Otherwise, Bwahaha.
Shazam.
“Surprise, surprise, surprise! “
How ’bout “Citizen’s a-ray-ist! Citizen’s a-ray-ist!”…
Have Barney and Sheriff Taylor come flying through to take them all to Gitmo…
They will Git mo, satisfaction (sadist faction?)… sawdust fraction?
You don’t believe that. I know you don’t. This guy is a hero in a twisted story with an unknown ending.
I knew there would be a complication, saying ‘probably’ yesterday in response to your ‘We’ll find out Tuesday’.
Complicated business I guess.
Like this?
https://twitter.com/SwampysGhost/status/1075065551863525376
Anyone remember the ’60’s tv series Branded with Chuck Connors about a Union Soldier wrongly accused of betrayal? In the opening segment where he is being disgraced the Chuck Connors character is wearing the same facial expression as Flynn in the photo above.
Here is my take:
1) To plead guilty to a crime, you must plead guilty to each element of the crime AND you must swear under oath that your plea is free and voluntary, not the product of coercion or other illegal consideration.
2) Sullivan is quite aware of all the facts/allegations which suggest Flynn did not plead guilty because he was in fact guilty, but pleaded guilty for reasons extraneous to guilt, many of which facts/allegations implicate the prosecution in wrong-doing.
3) Keep in mind, you plead guilty under oath. When you say you plead guilty because you are in fact guilty, and when you state that you are pleading guilty freely and voluntarily, if either of those statements are knowingly false, you are committing perjury. If you are actually pleading guilty solely because you are facing bankruptcy, you are committing perjury. If you are pleading guilty solely because you fear a corrupt government ruining your life, you are committing perjury.
4) Sullivan himself either does not want to implicate himself in the corrupt tactics of the government, or he is playing along with the government by making the “innocence” of Flynn and the “corruption” of the government a high visibility story to take those assertions off the table.
5) Because Flynn pleaded guilty to the FACTS of the crime, and because Flynn stated that he was pleading guilty because he was in fact guilty, Sullivan cannot unilaterally decided to vacate the plea based on 302”s, government misconduct, withholding Brady or any other corrupt consideration. This is because Flynn (or anyone else) can be guilty DESPITE the corruption, and so can plead guilty because they are guilty.
6) Sullivan is saying, in effect, “Flynn gets to decide his own fate, I cannot decide his fate for him.” And Sullivan can do this fully knowing he is “forcing” Flynn to commit further perjury, because not committing further perjury will put Flynn in hellish jeopardy.
7) BTW, all the foregoing also implicates any underlying “trap” aspect to the plea. IOW, this is not just an elaborate charade intended to catch bad guys; this is actually as it appears on the surface.
8) Flynn WANTS his guilty plea. He may even want it bad enough to lie under oath. That happens all the time, with the knowledge of all the parties involved, who all want to bring the matter to a conclusion. The perjury may be the most “understandable” there is, but it is still perjury. In the future, you cannot easily say: “Oh that’s just what I said for court, the truth is otherwise.”
9) Sullivan’s remarks implying treason were despicable. Significantly, they did not come in the context of the sentence. They came in the context of the guilty plea. He later admitted he was wrong, and regretted them, but they may very well have been intended to “remind” Flynn what was at stake by withdrawing the plea.
10) In a very odd sense, nobody is doing Flynn a favor by highlighting the probable corruption involved in his plea.
11) I have a great deal of compassion for men of integrity, like Flynn, who are in effect offered the choice of lying under oath under circumstances which hurt nobody, or tell the truth in the face of Hell, and unending persecution. But that is what the government offers.
12) The government has gamed the system over decades of fine honing. Why is corruption so seldom punished? Well, one way is to have people swear under oath that their prosecution involves no corruption, because if you do, you will be subject to far more.
It occurred to me, the situation Flynn is in is like the situation the early Christians were in. Offer a sacrifice to the emperor as a god, or die.
Some Christians made the sacrifice, reasoning that it was an empty gesture having no actual consequence, other than saving their lives.
Others died rather than telling a lie which meant nothing to anyone, and which everyone knew was a lie, just a gesture intended to make you feel like garbage in the process of venerating government power.
Some people do not like to feel like garbage in service to a lie, no matter how trivial or pointless in fact.
Such are the sordid circumstances created by our government today.
This analogy to the early Christians is a good one and raises the key element here — fidelity to a higher obligation.
I think something arose in the conversation that Flynn had with Kislyak that is highly classified. Following this thought, people who are not authorized to know the highly classified thing have asked Flynn about the call, and Flynn will not reveal his knowledge and/or participation in the highly classified thing to them. Not Strozk, Pence, Judge Sullivan — nobody.
So, Flynn did indeed fail to accurately recount what was discussed with Kislyak. And he admits both that he did not accurately recount his discussion with Kislyak and this failure was doing knowingly with an intent to deceive. These are the elements of the crime he has been charged with, so he admits to them. And indeed, technically he is guilty. The FBI rules do not provide a national security exception. Then again, the FBI generally does not entrap people based on the fact that the target cannot tell them things.
But given how much they hate Mike Flynn, in his case they will make an exception.
Ack (again): done knowingly, not doing knowingly…
We knowingly know what you meant. 🙂
My theory was that there was a legitimate classified something, but my theory also works with a Hussein coverup something. Saw this after I posted my theory:
Anonymous 12/18/18 (Tue) 21:20:57 cce618 (1) No.4369396>>4369495 >>4369822 >>4369850 >>4369922 >>4369927
Baker- please make notable. “Theory – FLYNN lied to be compliant with Obama’s sealed EO related to State Secrets.”
What if FLYNN was forced to lie as a result of Obama’s sealed “State Secrets” (classified EO filing)? And since Obama pardoned all bad actors, wouldn’t he also lock down all good actors by sealing/classifying any and all discussion of certain topics?
Recall that Q posted about this topic. And maybe the FBI/DOJ were monitoring all of FLYNN’s coms to make sure he didn’t “violate” the “State Secrets” filing by disclosing any of said classified info. Q asked how do you legally introduce evidence. Perhaps Lawfags out there know of a precedent for classified “State Secret” EOs or pardons being disclosed as a result of civil/criminal court proceedings.
If I were half as clever as the white hats at DIA or FLYNN (who definitely knew their coms were tapped), I would somehow make it known to KISLYAK to ask a question about a certain topic in such a way that would “force” FLYNN to lie.
Maybe the FBI/DOJ guys on the surveillance team didn’t know about the “State Secrets” filing, so as far as they were concerned, they caught a legitimate lie to store as future control leverage on FLYNN. This could be why the FD-302 filings were so dysfunctional since they would have to alter the original if it contained a “lie” that would expose Obama’s Classified EO to keep quiet.
Interesting and deep. This is every adjective that diabolical can muster.
We pray for PT and all his people and patriots on the front lines. Wow. Only God can unravel this web.
What happened with Judge Sullivan during that break? I suspect there was more going on than him just taking a pee.
After everything I have now seen. I believe the best result for all of us is if Flynn gets a minor sentence and his NDAs expire. Oh and twitter analysts (including our own tree branch guy) don’t seem to understand the real game going on.
BTW, you predicted how Sullivan would act and you were spot on.
THIS. IS. IMPORTANT.
https://twitter.com/POTUS_Schedule/status/1075097100608770054
It has a lot to do with the WALL – particularly the use of military personnel for enforcing US borders and national defense funds for the WALL.
We have been in a state of National Emergency since 1933. Bear in mind that President Trump is determined to return us to the Constitution.
Excerpt
Beck goes on to say:
“But the Constitution of the United States, as a restraining influence in keeping the federal government within the carefully prescribed channels of power, is moribund, if not dead. We are witnessing its death-agonies, for when this bill becomes a law, if unhappily it becomes a law, there is no longer any workable Constitution to keep the Congress within the limits of its Constitutional powers.”
North asks “What bill is Congressman Beck talking about?” Beck is referring to the 1933 “Farm Bill”, which was passed by the House of Representatives “by a vote of more than three to one.” North points out that, “again, we see the doctrine of emergency. Once an emergency is declared, there is no Constitution … In 1973, in the Emergency Powers Statutes (Senate Report 93-549), the first sentence reads:
“Since March the 9th, 1933, the United States has been in a state of declared national emergency.”
North emphasizes that the “Farm Bill” says “that if a national emergency is declared, there is no Constitution.” This is further emphasized by the above Emergency Powers Statutes’ statement — “Since March the 9th of 1933, the United States has been,” in fact, “in a state of declared national emergency.”
The middle language of the Emergency Powers Statutes states:
“This vast range of powers, taken together, confer enough authority to rule the country without reference to normal constitutional processes. Under the powers delegated by these statutes, the President may: seize property; organize and control the means of production; seize commodities; assign military forces abroad; institute martial law; seize and control all transportation and communication; regulate the operation of private enterprise; restrict travel; and, in a plethora of particular ways, control the lives of all American citizens.”
North adds that “this situation has continued uninterrupted since March the 9th of 1933. . . .”
http://fourwinds10.com/siterun_data/government/corporate_u_s/news.php?q=1353382139
Another reference:
FDR calls for War Powers March 4, 1933
EXCERPT FROM FDR’s 1st INAUGURAL ADDRESS MARCH 4, 1933
It is to be hoped that the normal balance of executive and legislative authority may be wholly adequate to meet the unprecedented task before us. But it may be that an unprecedented demand and need for undelayed action may call for temporary departure from that normal balance of public procedure.
I am prepared under my constitutional duty to recommend the measures that a stricken nation in the midst of a stricken world may require. These measures, or such other measures as the Congress may build out of its experience and wisdom, I shall seek, within my constitutional authority, to bring to speedy adoption.
But in the event that the Congress shall fail to take one of these two courses, and in the event that the national emergency is still critical, I shall not evade the clear course of duty that will then confront me. I shall ask the Congress for the one remaining instrument to meet the crisis—broad Executive power to wage a war against the emergency, as great as the power that would be given to me if we were in fact invaded by a foreign foe.
For the trust reposed in me I will return the courage and the devotion that befit the time. I can do no less.
http://emergency-usa.blogspot.com/p/fdr-calls-for-war-powers-march-4-1933.html
This is why they are freaking out over President Trump’s Executive Orders. He is trying to return us to Constitutional Government.
Someone might want to pass this along to the Eeyore Tree…
Eeyore Tree hahaha Thanks for the laugh.
FIND GENERAL FLYNN IN THIS PICTURE
Best part of today was watching the pundits try to figure out what was happening.
These people are stupid.
That’s always entertaining. Sorry to have missed it.
Oooooo, lookie here. Published by Mike Flynn on the day of the election, November 8, 2016.
https://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blog/foreign-policy/305021-our-ally-turkey-is-in-crisis-and-needs-our-support?fbclid=IwAR1TkIePnhagVjbZeEF5LBGjKZf1mpd_9bQqKNH2BTnxgewfcUbLaxoLi7Q
Oh boy, from the article
“The primary bone of contention between the U.S. and Turkey is Fethullah Gülen, a shady Islamic mullah residing in Pennsylvania whom former President Clinton once called his “friend” in a well circulated video.”
Once one understands how much intrigue is present in the Turkish snake-box that Flynn walked into willingly, which means that Flynn had to know what he was doing – ergo – a mission – then the Mueller political witch-hunt shows its true cynicism, in that the commies were trying to pin Flynn down with his own patriotic duty, which they fully knew about, IMO, but they did not know everything.
The communist proposition THEN works on the idea that their duplicitous pinch on Flynn allows the MEDIA to take out Trump. So they use LAWFARE to force a stalemate on Flynn, knowing his Turkish mission through some kind of leak (white hat or black hat), and then use their FAKE NEWS to go after Trump.
It’s EVIL GENIUS.
This is fully analogous to a cartel using tainted law enforcement to shoot an undercover FBI agent that they KNOW is an FBI agent because they can use the excuse he is a “drug dealer”. BUT then they find out that the FBI knew they were going to shoot him, and not only put a rifle-proof vest on him, but made sure local LE was shooting blanks.
This is grandmaster stuff, IMO.
DW That is a great article. It explains a lot of things.
It’s killin me but have to read later.
Q asked more than once how do we get the evidence into the system…this is how. So Flynn is taking the bullet to get the other info in. Sounds simple. I hope the judge doesn’t blow it!
to you point She and daughn?
I think Mitchell is right on this one. Theater. We are watching a movie, or at the very least a play that never seems to end.
It’s a very deadly game, but Q is right – patriots in control.
Yes, war is deadly no matter how it is fought.
Side note for all our Boomers here: after being forcibly “retired mid-2017” and looking for a job since (I’m 4 DAYS older than PDJT, hence my problem) I had an interviewer ask me when was the last time I was frightened? ‘Course he meant in some bizsense, but I just told him, “that first time some guy with an AK47 pointed it at me and I could see him!”
Anyways, LTG Flynn has this … I said way back when over on [that site] that Flynn has always been at the top running at least a good part of the chess board.
Like W says, this is a very dangerous game -or movie, if you will- but a script all the same. Many of us here have “wargamed” scenarios in our careers, but never at this level. The PROS have it.
I know, right?
We had to do SOP’s for biz such as, financial meltdowns, Brazil cratering, San Andreas fault, major hurricanes, plane crash of executives. Months and months of crisis management for one perfect SOP. Really came in handy during October, 1987. And it’s weird, how people either freak out and scream or some get low, monotone, incredibly focused, and the periphery of vision increases. Hard to explain.
But this plan, and we believe there is a plan, is mind-boggling.
What’s happening today is more engrossing than any novel.
And the disinformation.
And we all know it exists.
Wow.
Play that never seems to end 😉 YUP!
We are days away from being able to say that next year is a presidential election year. There has to be an endgame in sight if 2020 is to bring a free and untainted election.
Also from the article–written by General Flynn: Incidentally, Cosmos Foundation is a major donor to Clinton Foundation. No wonder Bill Clinton calls Mullah Gülen “his friend.”
I don’t pretend to know anything about anything, and I’ve not voiced an opinion on Gen. Flynn, or his motives & actions because I don’t know what to believe.
What I do know is I don’t want Judge Sullivan ‘going along to get along’.
If Judge Sullivan thinks Gen. Flynn is pleading to a falsehood – and it is obvious Gen. Flynn is doing exactly that – I hope Judge Sullivan rejects it.
We have to stop destroying what we are trying to preserve.
Ok (continuing my conversation with myself), I’ve read SD’s post and a very helpful comment at CTH by Ristvan. I understand a little more about Judge Sullivan’s dilemma. It doesn’t make me happy; it just puts me back to ‘wait & see’ mode, which is good enough!
I just now read SD’s comment over at The Eeyore Tree (thanks to Marica) as well. It made a lot of sense to me.
I didn’t read comments, though. I may go see if I can skim through and find Ristvan’s comment, but I’m not sure I’m strong enough to wade through the river of tears.
I like ristvan.
more from Rosie! Good stuff…
Personally, I think that Sullivan wanted to get a look at MAGA’s Basilisk.
…from the Greek βασιλίσκος basilískos, “little king”; Latin regulus) is a legendary reptile reputed to be a serpent king who can cause death with a single glance.”
Oh my …
thanks redleg! “death with a single glance” Wish that he would!
Yes – I’m being Qute with “The Storm”! 😉
There is an viral idea (which is basically a flawed internet rediscovery of Descartes, but I digress) called “Roko’s Basilisk” that gained attention because Elon Musk got into it and met a gal by wanting to tweet the pun “Rococo’s Basilisk”, but googled first and discovered this lady had already done it. Roko’s basilisk and a mod who played along has basically brought the idea of the Basilisk back from the dead.
Beautiful universe. So glad I gave up smoking so I could live to see this shit!
😉 Life is a gift, people!!! Pass it on!
Yep, pretty Qute indeed!
Oh, that SNAKE Comey! LIES! You LIE about Pence, Comey! The spirit of truth will not STAND for that! The words of a good man will be DEFENDED! Pence does not lie. YOU LIE!!!
Pence didn’t answer falsely – he answered EXACTLY – just like the Comey-allied media AGENT expected! I’ve reviewed that TRICK QUESTION, lying James Comey. I SAW the deceptive logic with my own eyes!
Comey, you RAT!!! You set up Pence! You SET UP FLYNN! And now JUSTICE IS COMING!!!
Definitely off topic, but big news. Britain is now going forward with a “no deal” Brexit.
Thank you! Thread going up!
https://twitter.com/Jill_Vest/status/1075116116723335168
I *LOVED* this response! 😉
(You need to see the BOTTOM of the image of the tweet above:
thanks Wolf…
I can’t pretend to understand any of what is going on with Judge Sullivan; maybe I’m distracted the the Colonel Sanders “thing” he has going.
So, am I right or wrong?
For a long time -in reading all over the place- about Sullivan being a “tough minded originalist” I now believe that he’s just another Zero bit player in the movie.
Slapping a travel restriction on Flynn shown a very bright light on his well slipped mask.
…just sayin’ … 😉
Yea, sure, “…he felt terrible about that…”
Bravo Sierra …
Honestly? 😉
No – very seriously – I think Sullivan is hamming it up for multiple reasons – some of them self-interested. He sees which way the explosion will blow. Being too soft here is the LAST think he wants to do. This guy has been trying to figure out the game, and he gets it now. “Play along” is his new paradigm.
This helps Flynn, too. Load up the nuisance junk to keep the commies and NeverTrump riiiight where they are, celebrating Trump’s demise. Flynn’s cover will hold with the “right” people.
“Flynn is doomed! Trump is doomed!”
Yes! We agree. Now, run along, little commies. There is MAGA work to be done. Speaking of which, are the planefags watching GITMO flights yet? Better make some bookmark folders! 😎
“are the planefags watching GITMO flights yet?”
They always have been … so, yes.
W – Ok. Let’s see how this play out. I so very much want to be wrong about Sullivan, but am not there yet.
“…he gets it now…” Where the hell has he been? This is my problem.
Now? Seriously? Or, I just don’t get the Fed Judiciary. Maybe they really do live in a bubble.
Now, if he’s an actor playing a critical role in a movie, then, well, OK. Aside from that, please put on my Curious Cat Face.
Mule’s trying to silence Flynn though what ever means necessary. Right?
What we have here is an education of the electorate.
Perhaps this is setting future precedence (travel and passport restrictions) for similar situations for those that truly did commit FARO violations
realsauce–Mirrors?
Here is another thread with an interesting take on NDA’s and why this all happened. (Click on the tweet and you’ll see the whole thread).
https://twitter.com/Mark923to25/status/1075151744273969157
Interesting take. I’m still uncertain that there would be any need for stuff to come out during his Mueller testimony from a swamp-draining perspective, but perhaps that might be strategic.
What struck me in today’s performance…is that Judge Sullivan ‘misspoke’ and then came back and corrected himself, then apologized.
So the Judge Did What Flynn Is Being Prosecuted For.
Hmmm…
wheatietoo, please see above comments.
Hummmmm …. indeed … (did you watch the MSM news tonight?)
I’ve watched some Lou Dobbs, Trish Regan and some Tucker…but stayed away from everything else.
Sullivan was first appointed to the bench during the Reagan years, but he was put on the Federal bench by Bill Clinton.
So it’s hard not to wonder where his loyalties lie.
But this thing about accusing Flynn of “treason”…then recanting it…is just weird.
Did Sullivan really ‘not know’ that little detail about Flynn’s timeline?
Or did he do that for a reason.
wheatie– I am going with “you are watching a movie”–All the world’s a stage,
And all the men and women merely players;
They have their exits and their entrances,
And one man in his time plays many parts,
His acts being seven ages.
Dang–Re-reading this “And one man (Trump) in his time plays many parts (well yeah),
His acts being 7 ages ( he’s 70+)…
SMH–I think in Q drops now! lol…;)
Me thinks he did it for a “reason” [MSM]
To all those Eeyores for whom 64-D eleventy-level chess was the butt of all jokes:
You can kiss my ass!
What happened today puts any spy movie fiction ever conceived to shame. This thing has so many levels it is unreal.
I don’t know much about super advanced game theory, but I know what I like 😉
Aubergine!! Love your post!!! Fire in your belly!!! Agree x 1000%
I’m going to repost my reply to RedLegLeader68 here…
My perspective: without all of the twists and turns those in the throes of awakening would not engage to learn their civics lessons as they need to in order to hold the gains being achieved now. Which of course, is only one of the dimensions in play at the moment, but an important one for the 1,000 year part of the plan.
And there’s this excellent commentary from an eyewitness to the proceedings:
A teaching moment created by today’s court drama.
Sigh.
The education continues.
Even Jack and Will are on Wolfies Roller Coaster!! And they don’t even know it!!! LOL!!
https://twitter.com/LisaMei62/status/1075231455729643520
Techno Fog’s thread points out some curiosities…
And Robert Barnes is commenting…
phoenix–Melania is Not only Gorgeous and Brilliant- -she married Donald Trump–and Incredibly Kind and Caring–She gets IT. She is in 100% behind the taking back of our country!! That fact. Makes me pay attention and fight EVEN MORE! and That fact. is why there is Media Blackout on this Most Favorite and truly BEST FLOTUS this country has ever EVER had!! God Bless Her!!
I still don’t understand about the NDA.
Why does Flynn have to be convicted of something before he is released from a Non Disclosure Agreement?
Doesn’t the President have the power to nullify an NDA?
I’ve wondered the same thing about the Benghazi Survivors.
There were 30 – 40 survivors who were forced by the O-team to sign NDAs…to prevent them from telling the truth about what happened.
We need those NDAs nullified.
Same with Gen Flynn’s NDA.
Rex has this to say…
https://quodverum.com/2018/12/353/judge-sullivan-s-calculus-general-flynn-s-vindication-isn-t-a-question-of-law-it-s-a-question-of-time-.html
What else was going on yesterday while Gen Flynn was in Court?
ex- Blackwater contractors in another court… being given immunity?
Is Mueller throwing their crimes onto Flynn’s tray? Back to Iran Contra?
Is Mueller wanting to destroy NOT just Trump, but his entire family?
Does Flynn have three months now to consider lying about POTUS to SC or
taking a prison sentence?
Inquiring minds want to know.
I am not anti-Flynn… however, I am definitely PRO-TRUMP
So, I don’t accept out-of-hand that Flynn is an angel. Following is just ONE of many pieces I have looked at… haven’t come to conclusion on Flynn as too much is hidden.
EXCLUSIVE: Michael Flynn Was a Keystone in the CIA/Five-Eyes Plot to Frame Donald Trump
… “Whether Flynn was a witting operative for the Deep State—which he had been an important part of as Director of the US Defense Intelligence Service—or whether he was used, unwittingly, as a piece in the game by his former associates to ensnare Trump as candidate, and then President Elect, is impossible to say, but the weight of the evidence we have accumulated militates toward a conclusion that Flynn was, to some degree, a willing participant.”
https://chaletbooks.com/chaletreports/?p=1600
Socratic question: Is Flynn maybe left holding the bag yet again for CIA overthrows?
Don’t shoot the messenger please.