Feed the Cold, Starve the Fever…. OR Treat the Symptom and Hide the Cure

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If medical care is 16% of our economy, the amount is about 3 1/2 TRILLION dollars. Is anyone completely satisfied with their healthcare? What do we get for our money? What if a cure to our ailment existed but we did not know about the cure? What if the possible cure for our terminal disease was not yet approved by the FDA? Well, we have a solution to the FDA problem with President Trump’s “Right to Try”.
What about other diseases? What about AIDS? How much money, press, and human suffering, do you suppose we’ve expended on AIDS?
Bookmark 1:57:20 in President Trump’s SOTU speech in this video. Listen for a minute or two while the President talks about AIDS and the possibility of finding a cure. LINK to speech.  LOOK at his face.
Was it strange to you that President Trump would address AIDS and ask Congress for money to eradicate AIDS in 10 years? Did it sound like an outlandish dream at the time? His speech was February 5th, about a month ago. LOOK at the video. President Trump knows something, but he is not elaborating.
My ears perked up because our family was so involved in AIDS research and treatment. Husband’s biggest case involved a big pharma, prescribing human growth hormone to AIDS patients, and billing Medicare $20K a month. Physicians were prescribing an amount 4-20X’s the FDA recommendation to treat the SYMPTOM but not the cure for AIDS. Pharmacies and physicians were bilking the taxpayers, lining their own pockets, at the expense of those who were terminally ill.
Yet, President Trump’s reaction speaks to “new strides” in AIDS and we are “so close”. It was odd language.
Because we are the Q tree, we look for references, hints of things to come, information available to ‘SOME’, but not the general public. Because we are critical thinkers, we notice information from disparate sources. We like to connect the dots.
QPost #252 is a cryptic post about Red Cross and diseases being invented by families, AIDS, etc. The post is not specific, sounds like a wild claim, and could be interpreted in multiple ways by millions of people….. all with their own opinion.
But then we come to Q Post #694
Q !UW.yye1fxo ID: ee33a6 No.300473 📁
Feb 7 2018 22:06:12 (EST)
What if cures already exist?
What about the billions (public/private/govt) provided to fund cure dev?
Sheep.
These people are sick!
Q
Gee, that’s pretty specific. No naming a particular disease but making a specific charge of suppression of a cure.
Well, it would make sense. We all know it’s more profitable to treat the symptoms of a disease than find a cure, right? We also suspect many diseases have been cured, and the cure suppressed, in order to continue the money train. The conspiracy theorists are in overdrive and wondering if we will begin to see an avalanche of the ‘cure’ for many diseases.
We also know, from 2 days ago, the second AIDS patient was ‘cured’ of AIDS and the key seems to come from a bone marrow transplant from those who are Euro-Caucasian 1% gene carriers who are resistant to the disease. Link to NYTimes article
Another curious incident was the sudden resignation of Scott Gottlieb, Head of the FDA. Gottlieb recently quashed a rumor that he was leaving and was specific about announcing his 2019 plans and agenda for the agency. What happened? We have no explanation. His resignation could be related or it could be a simple coincidence. Link to the Gottlieb resignation article.
Further news, across all media outlets in the public sphere, swirls around the President’s attempt to lower prescription drug pricing, and the Dems seem to agree. Yet, the two political parties disagree on HOW to lower costs. Meanwhile, we know there are 5 major diseases which soak up about 600 billion dollars in prescription costs (high blood pressure, diabetes, etc. ). Strangely, we get an announcement from Eli Lilly, a new generic diabetic medication, which would lower costs to treat a long term illness —- by 50%. Link to Barron’s article on Lilly’s new generic.
We throw around the terms “billion” and “trillion” so much so that ordinary citizens can’t possibly grasp the concept of how much money we are really talking about. Well, if we COULD save 60 billion dollars for the medical treatment of one of our most common diseases, diabetes, the amount would be equal to the entire budget for the Dept of Education – including federal student loans. Yeah, it’s a LOT of money. Recall, the Obamacare plan did nothing to reduce the actual cost of healthcare. Obamacare merely mandated who would pay for healthcare and what kind of services were to be provided.
Are we moving to a time where we actually begin to examine effective ways to lower health costs?
Keep your eye on breaking news from the medical community. Let’s all hope we see an avalanche of good news……….. and take your vitamins!
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Deplorable Patriot

Not sure where to start on this subject since it makes me angry beyond words. It’s not just cures that need to be found and distributed, but cold, honest communication about disease prevention that is missing.
Type 2 diabetes, using the example Daughn brings up, can be staved off, and even reversed with a diet absent of grains and sugar, and daily exercise. The exact same lifestyle choices can help prevent or delay all the other metabolic conditions that are not really viruses. AIDS is avoidable with wholesome lifestyle choices. So is HPV.
It is not hard to deal with it. It just takes knowledge and a willingness to make the right choices.
But, then, the healthcare industry depends on human nature and their “expert” status to keep them in business. Not all individuals by any means, but the overall industry.

Deplorable Patriot

I gave up. If God wants me married, he’s going to drop the guy right in my lap.
Seriously, this is stuff that needs to be front and center: YOU are responsible for your own well being. YOU make those lifestyle choices. What others say or pressure you to do is not the issue.
Of course, we’re dealing with people who choose to straighten their hair because that’s what all their friends are doing.

pgroup

That is exactly how I got my final wife. I had the same attitude as you and it had nothing to do with my efforts or interest.
And lo and behold, there she was. Agnostics would say magic but I know better.

Pat Frederick

type 2 diabetes runs in my family…my grandfather had it ( a tall slim man who worked as a carpenter his whole life), my father –a shorter version of my grandfather–also slim his whole life–and now me. I knew I would have a tougher time as I got gestational diabetes when i was pregnant and fought to slim down after giving birth.
During a routine exam almost 20 yrs ago, my general physician noted my blood sugar was elevated (against the accepted number at the time.) I went to a class, learned about portion control, exercise, foot care, eye care and the like and tried to lose the 8 pounds that the doctor said caused the spike.
He had me obsessing about numbers–I was testing my blood 3 times a day–it was stressing me out. And one thing I know about myself is I am a stress eater. After 6 months, i had only lost 2 lbs, so the doctor convinced me to start diabetic meds. That merry-go-round continued for many yrs–until i finally started researching the side effects and asked to be taken off these meds and put on insulin–which I thought would be a good choice since it was close to what my body produced…
what a mess that was! I work out 6 days a week–vigorously–and have since this whole thing started. But watching my diet and exercising and using the insulin–I was gaining weight–the insulin caused my body to store any excess sugar AS FAT.
with the introduction of newer meds, ones that make the body secrete excess sugar out thru the kidneys, I have managed to lose over 30 lbs in about 18 months–and I have not altered one thing. my diet and exercise routine remains the same…but my stress levels have dropped.
but here’s what still makes me mad. 20 yrs ago, if your waking/fasting blood sugar was 125 or below, you were normal, and 2 hrs after a meal, your blood sugar was to be 180 or less. Today, the standards are much lower–below 100 for fasting and below 140 after eating. why? I believe, so they can medicate more people…there is no money in cures–only treatments
sorry for the really long post…

Plateau for Trump

Three years ago is was diagnosed with Type 2 diabetes and started on Metformin along with cutting out potatoes and less bread. I lost 35 lbs but became undisciplined and gained 15 lbs. I decided to start playing golf for the exercise. I lowered my medication to one pill in the morning and after one round my blood sugar dropped to 85 recently so the experiment continues.

Pat Frederick

good for you!
when I first started on the meds, i tried a sulfonyurea. In the middle of the night, I wandered downstairs to the kitchen where my husband found me shaking uncontrollably on the floor. he gave me orange juice (which is what i was attempting to get when i fell to floor). my blood sugar–after the juice–was 35. a lot of meds i initially tried were give me roller coaster readings…

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

WOW – now THAT is scary!

singingsoul

Deplorable Patriot
“Type 2 diabetes, using the example Daughn brings up, can be staved off, and even reversed with a diet absent of grains and sugar, and daily exercise.”
____________________________________________
My husband is living proof of reversing and stabilizing type 2 diabetics.
His father was a bake and he ate plenty of beads and cakes growing up. He kept the habit and could eat 1/2 loaf of brad after dinner and 1/2 gallon of milk. He was not fat and that was the worse because he did not have to watch what he was eating.
My kids thought their father was the of good health while I had to watch what I eat. One day the test showed he was diabetic , high cholesterol . After a struggle of 6 months and much reading he got control over his habits and a year after that he was off medicine. He lost about 14 lb and at 5/11 he weighs 153lb.
My kids were shocked since I had not gone to the doctor for 30 years that I had nothing. When I grew up one only went to the doctor when one is sick. I kept the habit. I go once a year now and feel silly when the doctor cannot find a thing wrong.

Deplorable Patriot

A gentleman I know had numbers that had been creeping up, and last fall the ax fell. Not even six months later, with dietary changes and a return to exercise, his numbers are back down. Same thing happened with a singing friend. Another guy I know who has been obese for a couple decades went on Keto and managed to get his more under control. Same for his wife.
Seriously, if this is all we have to do to stay healthy, why is it not being shouted to the skies?
$$$$$$$$$$$$

Pat Frederick

it depends on how long the pancreas have been struggling to produce insulin…once those cells inside the pancreas give out, there is not always an easy answer.
and I would not do keto for anyone…happy for those that do, but it is not appealing to me. I do not drink any form of alcohol, do not smoke, or use recreational drugs or buy expensive clothing…so if I want to indulge in good food, I do.

Deplorable Patriot

I know a number of people who have had success with Keto.
Good food is less expensive than the health care needed after decades of the bad stuff. That’s what doesn’t seem to sink in for a number of people I know who cringe at the price of decent steak and salmon, but will buy a box of fix sticks.

Roberta

I love it! FIX sticks!
I learned, while in Scotland, to make fish ‘n’ chips at home (thank you, Delia Smith).
Hadn’t had them for years for the above reasons and a couple of months ago I was so hungry for the meal that I spent all of about 3 minutes looking for some recipes and then made up my own. I haven’t developed a true batter yet, but I dredge the cod, occasionally halibut, in arrowroot powder or something similar, dip in egg, dredge in “breading” (usually coconut flour liberally laced with salt, pepper, garlic powder, maybe fresh parsley) and away we go to the cast iron skillet swimming in coconut oil.
And the chips? rutabaga and/or turnips with a bit of salt and pepper and smoked paprika and a spritz of olive or avocado oil in my counter top turbo oven.
Homemade tartar sauce, lemon wedges, and homemade kale & cabbage slaw.
Yum, yum.
I also recently had a craving for potato cheese puffs or an old British favourite of stuffed baked potatoes and came up with a recipe for caluiflower cheese puffs. Yummy, yummy.

Covadonga

“coconut flour”
“skillet swimming in coconut oil”
I’m curious about this focus on coconut, which you mention here, and which I’ve seen on Wolf Moon’s site before in discussions of healthy eating.
This contradicts what I’ve been told about coconut oil by conventional nutritionists, biochemists, etc., which is that the tropical oils, such as coconut oil and palm kernel oil are the worst of the natural oils. They have the highest melting temperature, so are the first to precipitate out of the bloodstream, and the hardest to get off the arterial walls.
I think there have been attempts to ban tropical oils from use as food additives, just like trans-fats have been.
Tamils, who live near the southern tip of India, and are predominantly vegetarian Hindus, and are known for cooking exclusively with coconut oil, have a higher rate of heart disease, stroke, all those diseases, than Panjabis, who live in the far north of India, where there are a lot of cows, and where the dominant lipid in cooking is ghee (clarified butter.)
Allegedly, the lowest rate of heart disease is among Greenlanders, who eat a lot of whale, and use whale blubber-based lipids.

Roberta

Interesting information. I would want to know whether the oil is refined, first of all, or raw. Secondly, I would want to see the Tamil diet…vegetarian, you say. That suggests loads of grains, which = inflammation and glucose issues.
And thirdly, I stopped trusting “conventional nutritionists, biochemists,” a long time ago. The distrust probably started when I discovered from a grad school friend who went to a post-doc at Quaker, that he lost his position when he refused to falsify the results of his work. Suddenly the “trust Science” notion, disappeared.

Roberta

PS Not everyone who uses coconut oil does so in order to fry stuff at high temps. It goes into raw nut bars and other snacks, coffee and tea, and sometimes straight out of the jar and into the mouth (I had a friend who did that…she liked the taste), keo chocolate mousse, and none of these require high temperatures, just a bit of warming in the winter (if your home is kept cool).

Roberta

The Keto research was just too compelling to ignore…it includes the matter of insulin resistance and the affect on the brain.
Real food = real medicine.

Covadonga

Hi, Roberta,
I’m replying here, since your replies to my comment did not come with reply buttons.
1.) Coconut oil raw or refined?
This is South India, so in rural areas, I bet a lot of people get their coconut oil like Daughn gets her eggs for baking the fluffiest cakes, from their own coconut palm trees.
However they get it, I don’t expect a big factory being involved. Though there might be one when you buy Indian coconut oil in a big can in a supermarket in the States.
2.) Tamil diet.
You’re certainly right on the mark about this one. A lot of grains, beans, peas, potatoes, and garden vegetables, made tasty with a lot more tropical herbs and spices than we would use.
And of course baked goods using only a flour substitute made by grinding dried beans. Hundreds of types of these are specialties across India.
Spices include turmeric, coriander leaves, (i.e. cilantro, in Spanish or Italian), coriander seeds, black pepper, white pepper, fiery red chilis, saffron, and of course the celebrated kari leaves. That’s the native Tamil word that the British got our word curry from.
Oh, and hing. At least that’s the Hindi word. Sorry, I don’t know the Tamil word, which is different, and the ingredient doesn’t have an English name. The Latin name of the plant is asafoetida. It’s a strong-smelling powdered spice that gives Indian bean dishes their characteristic flavor, and takes the gassiness of beans and onions out, like a natural Beano.
Brahmins are fairly rare among Tamilian Hindus, so consumption of some fish and shellfish may be fairly common in Tamil Nadu, which stretches along the east coast of the tip of the peninsula.
The Panjabi diet, however, has all the same main themes.
The exact ratios of one type of ingredient to another, the particular species involved, and of course the recipes are different. We are talking about two opposite corners of an extremely diverse large country.
But there are still grains, aloo (potatoes), daal (beans), mattar (peas), saag (leafy green vegetables such as turnip and mustard greens, or spinach), other sabziyan (vegetables in general), and herbs and spices.
White rice is not as dominant a carbohydrate source as it is in Tamil Nadu, but it is still a major staple.
There are more chickens, and a lot more (dairy) cattle, in Panjab than in Tamil Nadu. And there are some sheep.
There are fewer vegetarians, but a lot more than in the States or in any Western country.
Chicken is the main meat for the meat eaters, along with some lamb. But meat is usually served as just one ingredient in a dish, along with a bunch of vegetarian side dishes. Overall meat portion sizes tend to be small, and it is not something that normally comes with every meal. A meat eater might only have 3 to 5 meat dishes per week, and it would be the rare family that ever normally served more than one meal with meat per day.
Also, there are vegetarians and non-vegetarians in the same family, so all the dishes that aren’t meat are pure veg. Sabzi and daal side dishes are never flavored with meat or meat byproducts (meat gravy, or au jus, or any type of animal fat) as they would be in the American South. Those are Granny’s and Bahu’s (i.e. Daughter-in-law’s) main dishes!
Pork is unknown.
Sikhs, prominent in the Panjab, might occasionally eat fish, but I’m not 100% on that. Brahmin Hindus, prominent throughout northern India, but less common in Panjab, don’t eat fish except in a few states. And neither Panjab nor Tamil Nadu are among those states. And Panjab is one of the most inland of all Indian states, so only freshwater fish would normally be available..
Vegetarians never eat fish or eggs, but consider eating all milk products to be auspicious, and a religious good deed.
Paneer, cubes cut from sheets of a spongy, sometimes chewy, type of cottage cheese, is common throughout North India, and an iconic ingredient of Panjabi cuisine, along with ghee (clarified butter).
The population density of India is too high for any type of keto or paleo diet to be the norm anywhere, so the grains, beans, potatoes, vegetables, spices theme is always going to be dominant in Indian cooking.
3.) Dietary experts.
The progression in average molecular chain length, and hence melting point, in going from olive oil to chicken fat to pork fat to beef fat to the white solid part of coconut lipids is a well established fact of physical chemistry.
The only question is whether eating lipids that don’t melt at body temperature leads to them floating around in the blood, and precipitating onto the inner surfaces of the blood vessels. If it does, then you should avoid them.
I’m not an expert, but I would guess that anyone with a sedentary lifestyle, or who is overweight, or who has any digestive condition that makes it hard to metabolize fat, or who has indications of dangerous arterial plaque deposits, should regard tropical oils and fat from red meat to be toxins, at least until after lifestyle changes have yielded major health improvements.
And I would further guess that eating any large quantity of tropical oils should be an occasional special treat for people who already in good shape healthwise.
4.) Cold oil versus cooked oil
Tamilians traditionally use coconut oil for all their frying, including making flatbreads such as dosae. And a fair amount of their diet does seem to be fried, though I don’t know how home-cooked food for a normal family compares to the restaurant food I am familiar with.
They eat uncooked coconut as well, but I’m not familiar with how much of the oil they consume this way.
Punjabis traditionally use ghee instead.

Covadonga

Hi, Roberta,
I wrote a lengthy reply to your replies to my comment above, but it didn’t make it here after 2 tries.
So maybe it is in moderation somewhere?
Hopefully it won’t show up twice.

Covadonga

My comment on the Indian diet was long enough that I pasted it to the notepad and finished it there, before pasting it back to WP.
This is to avoid frustration if my browser or the server somehow gets a coughing fit and loses it before I post.
I know when I would do the same thing on Pamela Geller’s site, Disqus would flag the long pasted comment as spam, and it wouldn’t show up. So maybe WP is doing the same thing now.

churchmouse

Keto is great.
You can eat tasty food, especially fatty meat. Just cut out the carbs, including sugar.

Roberta

Almost took the words right out of my mouth. It was so irrefutably clear to me as my father, then my father-in-law(s), developed the “dis-ease” of diabetes, type 2, that it was (I don’t have a potty mouth, but sometimes I wish I had a string of such words from my Irish/Scottish/Slovak heritage) A SELF-INFLICTED set of symptoms and it could be “disappeared,” almost as if we had a magic wand.
Most of the “diseases” spoken about are simply words to describe a set of symptom, they are not diseases at all.
Once again, it is all about the money and always has been.
Sheep no more.

Covadonga

Hi, Roberta,
I’m replying here, since your replies to my comment did not come with reply buttons.
1.) Coconut oil raw or refined?
This is South India, so in rural areas, I bet a lot of people get their coconut oil like Daughn gets her eggs for baking the fluffiest cakes, from their own coconut palm trees.
However they get it, I don’t expect a big factory being involved. Though there might be one when you buy Indian coconut oil in a big can in a supermarket in the States.
2.) Tamil diet.
You’re certainly right on the mark about this one. A lot of grains, beans, peas, potatoes, and garden vegetables, made tasty with a lot more tropical herbs and spices than we would use.
And of course baked goods using only a flour substitute made by grinding dried beans. Hundreds of types of these are specialties across India.
Spices include turmeric, coriander leaves, (i.e. cilantro, in Spanish or Italian), coriander seeds, black pepper, white pepper, fiery red chilis, saffron, and of course the celebrated kari leaves. That’s the native Tamil word that the British got our word curry from.
Oh, and hing. At least that’s the Hindi word. Sorry, I don’t know the Tamil word, which is different, and the ingredient doesn’t have an English name. The Latin name of the plant is asafoetida. It’s a strong-smelling powdered spice that gives Indian bean dishes their characteristic flavor, and takes the gassiness of beans and onions out, like a natural Beano.
Brahmins are fairly rare among Tamilian Hindus, so consumption of some fish and shellfish may be fairly common in Tamil Nadu, which stretches along the east coast of the tip of the peninsula.
The Panjabi diet, however, has all the same main themes.
The exact ratios of one type of ingredient to another, the particular species involved, and of course the recipes are different. We are talking about two opposite corners of an extremely diverse large country.
But there are still grains, aloo (potatoes), daal (beans), mattar (peas), saag (leafy green vegetables such as turnip and mustard greens, or spinach), other sabziyan (vegetables in general), and herbs and spices.
White rice is not as dominant a carbohydrate source as it is in Tamil Nadu, but it is still a major staple.
There are more chickens, and a lot more (dairy) cattle, in Panjab than in Tamil Nadu. And there are some sheep.
There are fewer vegetarians, but a lot more than in the States or in any Western country.
Chicken is the main meat for the meat eaters, along with some lamb. But meat is usually served as just one ingredient in a dish, along with a bunch of vegetarian side dishes. Overall meat portion sizes tend to be small, and it is not something that normally comes with every meal. A meat eater might only have 3 to 5 meat dishes per week, and it would be the rare family that ever normally served more than one meal with meat per day.
Also, there are vegetarians and non-vegetarians in the same family, so all the dishes that aren’t meat are pure veg. Sabzi and daal side dishes are never flavored with meat or meat byproducts (meat gravy, or au jus, or any type of animal fat) as they would be in the American South. Those are Granny’s and Bahu’s (i.e. Daughter-in-law’s) main dishes!
Pork is unknown.
Sikhs, prominent in the Panjab, might occasionally eat fish, but I’m not 100% on that. Brahmin Hindus, prominent throughout northern India, but less common in Panjab, don’t eat fish except in a few states. And neither Panjab nor Tamil Nadu are among those states. And Panjab is one of the most inland of all Indian states, so only freshwater fish would normally be available..
Vegetarians never eat fish or eggs, but consider eating all milk products to be auspicious, and a religious good deed.
Paneer, cubes cut from sheets of a spongy, sometimes chewy, type of cottage cheese, is common throughout North India, and an iconic ingredient of Panjabi cuisine, along with ghee (clarified butter).
The population density of India is too high for any type of keto or paleo diet to be the norm anywhere, so the grains, beans, potatoes, vegetables, spices theme is always going to be dominant in Indian cooking.
3.) Dietary experts.
The progression in average molecular chain length, and hence melting point, in going from olive oil to chicken fat to pork fat to beef fat to the white solid part of coconut lipids is a well established fact of physical chemistry.
The only question is whether eating lipids that don’t melt at body temperature leads to them floating around in the blood, and precipitating onto the inner surfaces of the blood vessels. If it does, then you should avoid them.
I’m not an expert, but I would guess that anyone with a sedentary lifestyle, or who is overweight, or who has any digestive condition that makes it hard to metabolize fat, or who has indications of dangerous arterial plaque deposits, should regard tropical oils and fat from red meat to be toxins, at least until after lifestyle changes have yielded major health improvements.
And I would further guess that eating any large quantity of tropical oils should be an occasional special treat for people who already in good shape healthwise.
4.) Cold oil versus cooked oil
Tamilians traditionally use coconut oil for all their frying, including making flatbreads such as dosae. And a fair amount of their diet does seem to be fried, though I don’t know how home-cooked food for a normal family compares to the restaurant food I am familiar with.
They eat uncooked coconut as well, but I’m not familiar with how much of the oil they consume this way.
Punjabis traditionally use ghee instead.

GA/FL

Activist groups have politicized medicine and mental health care.
Remember when they tried to make a hero and martyr out of Rock Hudson for coming down with AIDS?!
Naive me, I kept expecting mandatory quarantines like with other communicable diseases in my lifetime…but no.
So, the epidemic of AIDS and STDs spread and spread due to PC, leftist agenda amorality and approval of the alphabet lifestyles.
Now we have gone beyond epidemic to SYNDEMIC status – where many patients have multiple – several concurrent STDs – and treatment is complicated if not impossible. Now we have multiple incurable STDs.
https://daleoleary.wordpress.com/2016/06/25/the-history-of-the-syndemic-of-aids/
Seriously – the current ‘cure’ – involving bone marrow treatment from persons with genetic resistance to HIV won’t be a longterm or permanent cure, due to the rapid mutation of the HIV viruses – and also due to the compulsive/addictive nature of the homo/bisexual (what the CDC calls MSM) population.

Deplorable Patriot

I have a friend who is in lab medicine, and he talked about the “genetic resistance” in the form of not having certain receptors. This is why many people are HIV positive, but do not develop the syndrome, and won’t. It has nothing to do with mutation, but a receptor of some sort.
That would be why this sort of experiment would be attractive. Go the leukemia route, and kill off one genetic set and introduce another. Will it work long term is another question.
Will it be expensive. Yes.

singingsoul

I mentioned my one son who is in medical research finding curers. He quit is job because he said “if we knew about research we would be angry.”
He now creates and works with viruses they sell for use experiments. He regrets having gone into medical research. He woks for a Medical School.

Roberta

Similar to receptors that make virtually all of us addicted to tobacco, sometimes after only one dalliance with it…but that very small portion of humans are not affected at all and can enjoy a cigarette a day, even, and not be craving it if they go without.

michaelh

There’s an entire false mythology around AIDS that is pervasive and rarely challenged. The assertion is that AIDS grew to such epidemic proportions in the 80s due to the inaction and indifference of President Reagan and his administration. Many today still blame Reagan for AIDS.
The reality is much more nuanced. Thank goodness we had a Republican administration in place in the 1980s that could de-regulate and modernize the FDAs over-protective rules and lay the groundwork for innovative anti-viral research.
Ronald Reagan’s Quiet War on AIDS
His FDA accelerated the delivery of lifesaving drugs—providing a template for fighting devastating illnesses today.
Peter W. Huber
Autumn 2016
https://www.city-journal.org/html/ronald-reagans-quiet-war-aids-14783.html
Today AIDS is not the death sentence it once was, but it is big money costing insurers hundreds of thousands over a patient’s lifetime. Trump should be commended for setting a directed goal of eliminating the disease and targeting the government and industry dysfunction that prevents us from crossing the threshold to a true cure. This is far more than Bono and left-wing activists has done.

NebraskaFilly

Question: what was the origin of AIDS? Were there any NGO’s in the area at the time – like the Gates Foundation, perhaps – testing new “vaccines”? Clinton Foundation, perhaps? Hmmmm……years ago, when people used to claim “they” were causing aids, I poohed-poohed the idea. NOT ANY MORE!

michaelh

A lot of people believe that AIDS burst on the scene in the 80s. The reality is that it existed in the 70s under a different name: GRID, or Gay Related Immune Disorder. (From memory, pardon errors.) Remember that the Stonewall Riots happened June 28, 1969 – if Patient Zero is correct (which I believe it is) then we’re talking less than ten year period during which this behavior was becoming more normalized. Anyway, “GRID” was not a politically correct name so it had to be renamed, but quietly so no one would recall the connection. “GRID” disappeared in the media. Suddenly AIDS showed up, with no connection to the former.
About 15 years ago I spoke with a woman, and she believed that there had been a major book printed blowing the cover off a gov’t cspcy to develop AIDS, but the author ahem disappeared, and the only printed lot got stolen off a delivery truck. Don’t know what to think about that but passing it along anyway.
I don’t know of NGOs operating in the 70s. But NGOs and AIDS have been joined at the hip since the early 80s. Bono and the ONE Campaign was relatively recent – very little money actually got to AIDS relief. Religous organizations have also been on the AIDS relief bandwagon, if they aren’t fundraising they’ve been telling young people this is a crisis and that they need to “raise awareness” (sly use of a term originating in marketing). Most of the activity, such as the Gates Foundation, includes carpet bombing Africa with cond/s in the hope it’ll prevent the spread, when what they really need are sterile single-use needles for clinics.
Michael Fumento wrote a book “The Myth of Heterosexual AIDS” takes a good iconoclast look at the subject. A bit dated now but worth a look.

Covadonga

“The Myth of Heterosexual AIDS”
Yes.
One of those banned books that somehow never made it into the window of any bookstore or library that was observing Banned Book Month.

michaelh

“Banned Book Month” – So true! I wanted to my own “banned book month”.

Gail Combs

“….No naming a particular disease but making a specific charge of suppression of a cure.
Well, it would make sense. We all know it’s more profitable to treat the symptoms of a disease than find a cure, right? We also suspect many diseases have been cured, and the cure suppressed, in order to continue the money train. ….”

…….
Well I know of ONE CURE FOR A FACT!!!
My Doctor, Dr Daily, ended up with Rheumatoid Arthritis from a neglected absessed tooth. (She was too busy with patients to have it seen to.) Being hooked into the medical community she was aware there was an experimental drug in Canada. She took that experimental Drug and it arrested and ‘killed’ her Rheumatoid Arthritis.
Her hands looked like this:
http://www.scienceclarified.com/images/uesc_01_img0050.jpg
Like bird claws. But when she came back from Canada the redness was gone and she could rap her knuckles on a desk.
She, with the Canadian Doctor, lobbied the FDA to ALLOW TESTING… they said HELL NO!!
So to pressure the FDA she went on the Joe Pyne Show where the cameras kept zooming in on her hands as she would rap them on the podium to make a point. (If she still had Rheumatoid Arthritis she would have passed out from the pain of hitting the joints like that.)
That was in the late 1960’s — What do we see now?

The main treatment goals with rheumatoid arthritis are to control inflammation, relieve pain, and reduce disability associated with RA.. [NOT TO CURE!]
Treatment usually includes medications, occupational or physical therapy, and regular exercise. Some people need surgery to correct joint damage. Early, aggressive treatment is key to good results. And with today’s treatments, joint damage can be slowed or stopped in many cases.
Drugs for Rheumatoid Arthritis
NSAIDs
As part of rheumatoid arthritis treatment, your doctor will probably prescribe a nonsteroidal anti-inflammatory drug (NSAID). These medications reduce pain and inflammation but do not slow down RA. So if you have moderate to severe RA, you’ll probably also need to take other drugs to prevent further joint damage.
Over-the-counter NSAIDs include ibuprofen and naproxen. Most people with RA need a prescription NSAID as they offer a higher dose with longer-lasting results and require fewer doses throughout the day.
There are many prescription NSAIDs that your doctor will consider. All of them carry a warning about the increased risk of heart attack and stroke. NSAIDs can also raise blood pressure and can cause stomach irritation, ulcers, and bleeding.
https://www.webmd.com/rheumatoid-arthritis/understanding-rheumatoid-arthritis-treatment#1

BASTARDS! there has been a KNOWN CURE for FIFTY YEARS‼️ 😡

NebraskaFilly

To my knowledge, naproxen requires a prescription. I took ibuprofen for years for my arthritis (primarily in my knuckles), then tried one of my Mom’s 500mg naproxen. It worked better so I got a prescription from the VA. I have never been one who likes taking medication, plus I knew of the potential stomach problems, so I only take it when I am really in pain. I think I have only taken it once in the last 6 months or so.
The store where I work will now be selling Hemp CBD oil products – medical MJ/CBD is not legal in NE but hemp is legal now, thanks to the last Farm Bill. One of the products is a creme (similar to Icy Hot) that contains the CBD oil. I am going to try it on my hands – will let y’all know if it works.
But, yes, I think there have been many, many cures that have been hidden from us. Control, control, control!

Kalbo

Naproxen now available OTC.

NebraskaFilly

OK – thanks.

Gail Combs

Naproxen sodium is the generic ingredient in Aleve and several other brands of pain medication. It went OTC several years ago.
I found, with my back pain, cycling through Aspirin, Ibuprofen and Naproxen sodium (NEVER Tylenol) gave the best relief.
I do have osteoarthritis especially in my back and started taking Move free Glucosimine & Chondroitin in ~2005? and have now added Joint Health (Boron since NC has no boron)
I have much better movement and a lot less pain then I did 20 years ago. I have been pretty much completely off pain killers.
…….
From E.M. Smith again: Lectins, Gluten, Arthritis, Heart Disease, and Your Dinner
“This one is a bit messy and long. The reason is pretty simple. Lectins are in absolutely every plant and animal. So if you try to “not eat lectins” that isn’t going to work.
The answer, in my opinion, is that all lectins are not created equal; some are lethal, some do nearly nothing, and some just make you a little off your best. Discrimination between the lectins matters….”

NebraskaFilly

Oh, I know the ingredients are the same – a script used to be required for the 500 mg tablets – that’s what I am talking about. Taking Aleve, which were 220 mg, required 2 pills (which I took for several years), whereas the prescription 500 mg allowed for only one. That was the only reason I switched, since under my VA benefits it cost me nothing. I rarely took more than one.

judipurplejudi

My husband is type II diabetic, with neuropathy in his feet. CBD lotion has essentially eliminated the pain and tingling. We started diet changes this past January, and his need for insulin is rare indeed, and has reduced his meds to just one type of pill. The dietary changes were elimination of sugars/flour/highly processed foods. Oh! And he no longer needs his cheaters (reading glasses) – amazing what REAL food will do for ones body. Praise God for His healing!

NebraskaFilly

And the doctors and yourselves for doing the right things – praise all around! I doubt he would have seen those improvements without those actions.

Deplorable Patriot

There’s a lot of foods that are anti-inflammatory as well. Lent aside, adding salmon on a regular basis, not just as a treat, made a huge difference for me.

Gail Combs

Deplorable Patriot,
The diabetes mess is MADE worse.
At age 19 I was caving with a type one Diabetic. Like an idiot I had waffles (no meat) for breakfast with LOTS of syrup as I have a major sweet tooth.
We head into the cave, caved for about five hours — NO FOOD — And I just about pass out. My partner takes one look at me and states you are going into insulin shock aka — hypoglycemia — Symptoms include: Dizziness, sudden changes in behavior, Shakiness, Sweating and feeling like death warmed over. He whips out the peanut butter crackers he always carries and told me to EAT! 10 to 15 minutes later I am fine.
SO…
I go home for vacation tell Mom and she drags me to the Doctor. Doctor does **ONE glycose test** — normal — and tells me I am TOO YOUNG to be hypoglycemic. 🙄
Luckily I have another very good friend who is a biologist. Both of her parents are Type Two diabetics. She told me the doctor was full of crap. Determine if someone is hypoglycemic, you have to do a glycose challenge test. On an empty stomach drink glycose (Sugar) then take blood tests over time and plot the results. She then told me a chane in diet. Get rid of the SUGAR, or at least eat meats and complex starches with it to keep the insulin ‘busy’ over time.
In a hypoglycemic, the pancreas reacts aggressively to the sugar. It pumps out TOO MUCH insulin and your blood sugar nose dives => insulin shock. You can ‘treat’ the symptoms with more sugar but long term the pancreas wears out and you end up with Type Two diabetes in middle to old age.
Our current diets especially in children is DESIGNED to CAUSE Type Two diabetics.
Fast foods all loaded with sugars, candy machines & soda machines in schools, Parents giving kids sodas instead of milk at meals…
….
And then there is SALT!!!
Were you aware that most store bought food has salt in it AND THAT SALT IS NOT IODIZED! Bread used to have iodine now it has Bromine…
E.M. Smith and his techie following does a deep dive.
Bromine, Iodine, Prostate and Breast Cancer
EM is an Asper and if you think I do deep dives….
EMs family used to run a resturant so he has very good food articles generally on nutrition. They are WELL worth a read if you are interest in your health. Pay special attention to the commenter ‘sabretoothed’ He certainly has a lot of useful information and science studies to share.
I mention this because it gives you the information without spending hours digging it up yourself PLUS these guys are NOT selling anything.
https://chiefio.wordpress.com/category/food-2/
You will have to click on older comments for each year.

Deplorable Patriot

Yes, I know the whole bit about salt in processed food. “Natural flavors” can be MSG as it is a naturally occurring substance. Soy as well as high fructose corn syrup and seed oils can be found in just about everything processed, too. This is why I cook for myself and my processed foods generally are Greek yogurt and aged cheese. From time to time, a good Brie hits the spot.
The thing about iodine is that it is in other foods than as a salt additive. Eggs, yogurt, Russett potato skin, wild ocean seafood. That’s where I get it. Otherwise, I use sea salt and Kosher salt.
I have a friend who is hypogycemic. Talking to her about food is an adventure.
About 8-9 years ago, I was dealing with intolerances that I’ve pretty much determined is gluten. Due to the singing voice, the usual tests are out, but I’ve pulled gluten out twice now, and both times all symptoms disappeared. This was after a research journey that led me to the Weston Price Foundation and a number of other nutritional history informational places.
I know a lot of people who have gone to great lengths using diet and exercise to avoid medical intervention, myself included. Learning more about all of this has led to every major system straightening out.

Gail Combs

“I know a lot of people who have gone to great lengths using diet and exercise to avoid medical intervention, myself included.” BOY ain’t that the truth!
After Dr Daily told us that doctors did not have to take nutrition courses, I have done my own research. She was a really great Doctor who handed you a diet along with your perscription! I really wish there were a lot more like her.
….
I really do not like fish but have started adding sardines, salmon and sometimes tuna to my diet.
On Iodine.
EM commented:

….The “bottom line” (up here near the top…) is that we need about 25 times our present iodine intake here in the USA to have low cancer rates (as the Japanese comparison shows) but instead are getting higher than normal loads of bromine, that competes with our already low iodine levels and causes functional deficit, even when clinically acceptable (if minimal) levels exist. We need to get the Bromine out, and increase our Iodine status…..
This article lists 10 health effects, but I’m only going to quote a couple.
http://www.globalhealingcenter.com/natural-health/10-health-dangers-of-bromine/

1. Disrupts Thyroid Function
Exposure to bromine severely impacts the thyroid gland and causes hormonal issues. Bromine competes with iodine, an essential nutrient that supports the health of the thyroid. Bromine and iodine are absorbed in similar fashion and animal research has found that bromine exposure limits availability of iodine to the thyroid and interferes with hormone production. [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] The flame retardant PCBE, for example, has specifically been fingered as a thyroid and endocrine disruptor. [7] This is a HUGE problem — an impaired thyroid can lead to hypothyroidism, goiter, and hormonal imbalance…..

….But folks in the UK and EU can rest a little easier than us in the USA.
http://www.oasisadvancedwellness.com/learning/bromine-toxicity-destroys-your-thyroid-and-metabolism.html

The United States is quite behind in putting an end to the egregious practice of allowing bromine chemicals in your foods. In 1990, the United Kingdom banned bromate in bread. In 1994, Canada did the same. Brazil recently outlawed bromide in flour products.
[What’s taking us so long? Another case of our government protecting big industry — instead of protecting you.]
Iodine Levels and Cancer Risk
Iodine levels have significantly dropped due to bromine exposure; declining consumption of iodized salt, eggs, fish, and sea vegetables; and soil depletion. In the U.S. population, there was a 50 percent reduction in urinary iodine excretion between 1970 and 1990.
[What’s this doing to our country’s health?]
The Japanese consume 89 times more iodine than Americans due to their daily consumption of sea vegetables, and they have reduced rates of many chronic diseases, including the lowest rates of cancer in the world. The RDA for iodine in the U.S. is a meager 150 mcg/day, which pales in comparison with the average daily intake of 13800 mcg/day for the Japanese.

https://chiefio.wordpress.com/2015/06/23/bromine-iodine-prostate-and-breast-cancer/

A LOT more info. When EM does a dive he writes a disertation… 😁 It is great because he usually gives both sides and that means we do not have to do much digging.
After reading EM’s disertation, I started taking Iodoral and it was like getting a kick in the butt! I had more energy than I had had in YEARS!

Deplorable Patriot

I eat a lot of eggs. Vitamin D is the other one we don’t get enough of, hence my 15 minutes in the sun at midday from April to Sept. Dr. Michael Holick is the big researcher on that one.

Plain Jane

Oh mano, I’ve got a story for later today, but getting ready to get to Mass then the gym now.
Great subject DNW.
This guy’s videos are great.

TakeBackOurRepublic

Dr. Fung is a great speaker whose specialty is intermittent fasting. I learned about him from a website called dietdoctor.com when I started my keto journey about 18 months ago. Anyone who has diabetes (or pre-diabetes) needs to research how removing carbs from their diet can reduce dependence on drugs and in some cases even reverse diabetes.

Plain Jane

For sure. I love him.

Brave and Free

This subject all ties in with my post on the other thread about statins and there over use by lowering the acceptable cholesterol numbers. All to have more people on them equals more $$$ for Big Parm = more $$$ for politicians.

TakeBackOurRepublic

Here’s a link to an article in the Open Journal of Endocrine and Metabolic Diseases (June 2013) called “The Ugly Side of Statins. Systemic Appraisal of the Contemporary Un-Known Unknowns”. It’s not written in layman terms but the point is easily understood that there are considerable risks associated with unwarranted statin use. This was in the abstract “Not only is there a dearth of evidence for primary cardiovascular protection, there is ample evidence to show that statins actually augment cardiovascular risk in women, patients with Diabetes Mellitus and in the young. Furthermore, statins are associated with triple the risk of coronary artery and aortic artery calcification.”
https://file.scirp.org/Html/3-1980073_34065.htm
My 83 year old very physically fit and healthy father has been taking statins for borderline high cholesterol for 30 years. Last October they discovered one right main 90% calcification (blockage) and 3 left main 50% blockages. Fortunately he had a triple bypass and is fine now. Were statins the cause?

Gail Combs

AMEN!
I have blood pressure that spikes if I eat NaCl (Table Salt) and I refuse to take statins.
I went low sugar and carbs and noted that the diastolic fell slowly over a couple of months and has stayed pretty much at 75 -80. (Cleaned out the arteries???)
My systolic pressure is pretty much controled by NaCl/KCl and the ratio between them. It will go from 115 to 170+ if I eat salt.
I also noted that ‘Normal’ used to be 120/80 and suddenly that is now called ” elevated” or “stage 1 hypertension” …. WTF??? Do they want to sell MORE medicine??

Deplorable Patriot

Yes, they do. The women in my family have low BP genetically, and my mother was put on an anti-hyperintensive for BP nowhere close to high. She gets dizzy with it.

NebraskaFilly

As for Gottlieb, take this into account as well – I am disappointed, TBH, to see the Tweets from PDJT praising this guy!
“Four US senators wrote to the head of the FDA, Dr Scott Gottlieb, late last year urging him not to allow Dsuvia, a powerful opioid pill, on to the market because it was “to the detriment of public health”.
Dsuvia is a branded narcotic sufentanil pill, a more potent version of fentanyl, made by Californian pharmaceutical company AcelRx. The signatories included Senator Joe Manchin of West Virginia, whose state has the highest rate of opioid overdose deaths in the country.
“This puzzling and unacceptable course of events is unfortunately reminiscent of previous FDA processes and practices that contributed to the opioid epidemic,” the letter said.”
“Donald Trump’s opioid commission identified the failure of the FDA and other federal institutions to properly regulate opioids and their manufacturers as an important factor in the epidemic.
After Trump appointed Gottlieb, the new FDA chief admitted the agency “didn’t get ahead” of the crisis and promised “dramatic” action. He said he favoured examining not only whether an opioid worked but whether it was needed and whether the risks of it feeding the epidemic outweighed benefits for patients.
But that commitment has been called into question by the slow pace of introducing new practices and regulations – and by the approval of Dsuvia, a potent pill developed with the US defense department.”
“An advisory committee rejected the drug in 2017 over safety concerns. The senators said that they were “deeply troubled” that when Dsuvia was resubmitted for consideration the following year, the FDA excluded members of the agency’s drug safety committee from the hearing. The senators also said they were concerned because the decision was made when Brown, a strong critic of Dsuvia, was absent at a professional conference in San Francisco.
“There’s no question in my mind right that they did that on purpose,” he said. “The FDA has a lack of transparency. They use the advisory committees as cover.”
“Gottlieb has previously defended Dsuvia by saying it is required for use in circumstances where other drugs cannot be administered, such as a battlefield. The FDA chief promised “very tight restrictions” on its distribution to stop the drug appearing on the illicit market. He insisted the FDA had “learned much from the harmful impact” that prescription opioids have had.”
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/jan/24/fda-opioids-big-pharma-prescriptions

A Fortiori

We need to think more clearly about this problem. The problem is not with “costs” per se. Costs are a fluid term. We were told for decades that US manufacturers cannot profitably manufacture small cars; my response to that remains put me in charge of their cost accounting and this problem will go away (but that is a simpler problem). For those of us with business backgrounds, it is obvious that measurement and the accounting associated with measurement drives behavior.
The vast majority of health care in the US is paid for through various risk shifting arrangements whereby the premiums and/or taxes are taken from younger healthier people subsidize the services used by older less healthy people. And the system pays for both maintenance and repairs.
All of these arrangements are measured annually. Our health is a lifelong concern. This simple discrepancy is a huge part of the problem with our system.
Let me illustrate my point with an example. Assume you are employed by company X and company X is large enough to provide health insurance to its employees. Assume further that you have a disease, that it costs $Z to treat the symptoms of the disease annually and that it costs 8 x $Z to cure the disease. The insurance company knows it will have to bear the costs of your treatment, but in considering whether to pay for the cure they also must take into account the fact that if they pay for the cure, and you quit your job at Company X after 5 years they have lost money on you. And if they do this multiple times, some managerial type at Company X is going to recommend a change to a competing insurance provider, who can offer lower premiums because they don’t pay for the cure. Neither the employer nor the insurance company in this situation can be provided the proper incentives to cure the disease unless they know for sure that they are on the hook for more than 8 years, in which case the cure becomes less expensive than merely treating the disease. You, however, have to live with your health for your entire life and have a strong incentive to pay for the cure.
We can complain all we want about how this is immoral, but that doesn’t get us very far. If we push either Company X or the insurance provider to make uneconomical decisions, their competitors will find a way to put them out of business. This is why Hussein promised subsidies to insurance companies in order to entice them into supporting Obamacare. (And to use subsidized insurance to kill off all competing arrangements in order to move everyone to government provided health care.)
We could radically drive down the costs of health care if we all paid for our medical care so that providers needed to respond to us. We could address some of this by first assuming the financial responsibility for our own maintenance and by making medical savings accounts more robust as a mechanism to accumulate funds to cover larger health costs later in life.
The difficulty is how to retain the risk shifting of our current system whereby healthier people to pay for the costs of others. And, of course, this risk shifting mechanism must incorporate decisions on when the money to provide health care runs out.

Deplorable Patriot

Back when hospitalization, anyway, was a charitable affair, fees were padded just a little to care for the indigent. Donations could be made, etc. Of course, a good percentage of nursing staff were nuns, so that was a cost savings.
It’s a mess at this point where everyone would be better served by paying for basic services and annual tests if you get them with catastrophic insurance, IMO. Make health savings accounts a pre-tax deduction and let them be lifetime cumulative. It could work.
I agree

Gail Combs

You missed one point…
I used to work for a company that was ‘self-insured’ They also considered an employee to be a LONG TERM investment. They would bring in young people, help finance their education and these people would move up the management ladder. They had loyalty and dedication and thus repayed the company.
We no longer have that business model. Now people are considered interchangable ‘resources’ and HR deportments are in charge of finding the ‘Round Peg’ to fit in the ‘Round Hole’ and then that ‘Round Peg’ gets tossed a year or two down the road. Over 45? Forget it. You are too ‘Costly’ so you get tossed and ALL THAT EXPERIENCE gets tossed too.

A Fortiori

Yes, the financial wizards who bought, hollowed out and sold thousands of blue chip US companies drove this feature of our society from the landscape.

singingsoul

I am a big fan of the author of the Cookbook “Real Food Heals” by Seamus Mullen.
He had some autoimmune decease and healed himself with food. He is a professional cook
Forward is by Frank Lipman, MD.
I fallow much of his food and is wonderful for my husband’s diabetics. I had an accident with my knee and is so much better.

Roberta

What a great thread this is. Look how much really valuable information it has elicited, with links to research for further education for those who wish. Such a grand community here: thinkers and carers, not just a gaggle of of people who want their two cents in the sun on everything said/written/commented.
Thank you, everyone!

GA/FL

So thankful for what our encouraging, uplifting hosts Wolfie and Flep have built here.
This is a community and the atmosphere here is friendly, joyful and peaceful, just what President Trump says about every MAGA rally – it’s a love fest!
QTH is abounding with gifted researchers and writers, thinkers – very interesting folks!

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

We are indeed a kind of Trump rally! Great analogy.

BoomerCat

Great article, Daughnworks. My ears perked up when you mentioned the money train. This one is not related to pharma, but I think I uncovered a scam aimed at Medicare patients. I received a letter that appeared to come from my medical group and some company called Wellbox in Florida (I am in California.) In the letter, they said that my doctor said I needed Chronic Care Management due to a serious condition I have, and they were offering telemedicine services whereby an RN (in Fla) would contact me by phone and have access to my medical records. For that I would pay them a monthly fee which may or may not be covered by Medicare. I was livid and went on the warpath. I see my doctor once a year, have no such issues and take no prescription meds!! A few days later, they called me, posing as my doctor’s office, to enroll me in the program. For one thing, it is a HIPAA privacy violation for my medical group to give out my contact information to a third party, and another huge issue is that nurses cannot do telemedicine with patients in CA unless they have are licensed in CA. Do I think those nurses in Fla. are licensed in CA? Hell no! I am filing a privacy complaint with my medical group, and reporting it to Medicare as well due to the deceptive marketing practices (posing as my doctor and spoofing her phone number on caller ID.) They messed with the wrong 69-year-old!

Gail Combs

YOU go GIRL!
We get calls trying to sell us “free” medical appliances, braces and such, all the time. What they do not bother to tell you is there is a lifetime CAP on the $$$ from Medicare so buying all this crap you do not need, even if they aren’t scamming your acct, will hurt you long term.

prairie123

Daughn, thanks so much for this thread – great info, I’m learning so much! Thinking now I should try intermittent fasting… going to do more research and decide for myself!
Thanks again!

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

I agree, Daughn – those POTUS comments in the SOTU mean something.

Brave and Free

Just to ad some food for thought to this thread. I have a sibling that works as a director in the health care field. I didn’t realize it but they told me the majority of the meds come from China.
So once again follow the $$$