This very special
SAFETY & SECURITY SUNDAY open thread
is VERY OPEN – a place for everybody
to post whatever they feel they would like
to tell the White Hats, and the rest of the MAGA world.
Say what you want, comment on what other people said,
comment on people’s comments.
Keep it civil. Treehouse rules, but expect lots of QAnon.
See the January 1st daily thread for the rules of the road,
which are few but important.
Remember – your greatest gift to President Trump is FIVE WORDS:
I AM PRAYING FOR YOU
Safety & Security Sunday
While our Lion, President Donald J. Trump, fights for our safety and security here at home, the very same media that was fully outraged by (maybe) shootings in mosques in New Zealand is giving absolutely zero coverage of oppression on a scale we may find difficult to comprehend.
New Attack in Burkina Faso—Christians in Hiding, Schools and Churches Closed
A day after militants ambushed a church and killed six, another attack in northern Burkina Faso targeting Christians has left four dead, including a church leader. These attacks on the church in the West African country, as well as others in the last few weeks, have invoked a state of panic among Christian communities in the region.
:
In the last 12 months, the increasing violence across Mali and Niger, as well as Burkina Faso, has led to a five-fold rise in the displacement of the local population. More than 330,000 people have left their homes, in addition to 100,000 refugees —creating what some news outlets have called an “unexpected humanitarian crisis.”
https://twitter.com/winmatt53/status/1122296929122123777
What a marvelous mystery. How can it be, for those who believe, that both our Nation’s security and the horrors endured by the persecuted church around the world, the path from darkness to light is the same? Prayer. Turning our hearts to God to find the courage to live true to our convictions and His leading.
“They called the apostles in, had them whipped, and ordered them never again to speak in the name of Jesus; and then they set them free. As the apostles left the Council, they were happy, because God had considered them worthy to suffer disgrace for the sake of Jesus.”
Acts 5:40-41
For the first couple hundred years of the Church the persecution was intense. There were no “career clergy” looking for a comfortable job with nice benefits. In fact, those dedicated to obedience to Christ in a leadership role were the first to be arrested. To be physically harmed. To be killed.
And so it is to this day in most of the world we live in. Even in America those who live by their convictions are the first to discover the cost of standing by them. And so we come back to our courageous world-changer President, Donald J. Trump.
He stands tall and fights even when he knows it’s placed him in danger of experiencing all of the above. Thank God for this man who lives by his convictions and is not afraid to enter into the battle space we find ourselves in.
Not only to fight, but to WIN a victory we all need dearly.
Think*3
Marica May 18, 2019 at 00:46
Wolfie’s Tree is like the Giving Tree!! Every single person here gives so much of their Heart and Soul!!
Alison May 18, 2019 at 01:00
So true, Marica. We are, indeed, blessed by the presence of so many creative patriots here in the QTree.
Shebythesea May 18, 2019 at 01:53
Hi Alison, Hi Marica!! Yes, we are blessed. I’m uplifted every time I come here. . . . the great articles/memes/poems/comments I come across here!
A wealth of denizens perch in QTree,
Working together – a big family.
Most contribute to spread the word:
The truth, the facts, now seldom heard.
A few worked the hardest to grow our tree:
Planting and feeding and trimming were key:
Writing Intros, News Roundups, Threads to read,
And managing the flock, so we succeed.
Some are skilled writers, masters with the pen,
Explaining the complex, beyond our ken.
Others search the internet, looking to find
Videos and articles, then expertly mined.
A few find GIFs or maybe make memes;
Visual humor for MAGA dreams.
A handful contribute a rhyme or two,
Making their points from a different view.
Still others add their comments to the mix,
Exposing the Dimm’s dirty politics.
Many choose to stay behind the scenes,
Sampling our fare like haute cuisine.
All contribute, giving in their own way,
But perhaps, most of all, those who pray.
When we acknowledge God in all we do,
He’ll straighten the paths for what ensues.
So now we see in our tree in the dell,
That those who come here to perch or dwell,
Give something of themselves for truth and peace,
For MAGA and justice, that they never cease.
We should feel blessed and give thanks for QTree,
For those that work hard to keep our world free,
For our leaders for quiet, peaceful lives,
All to God above, through Whom we thrive.
Amen and Amen bakocarl.
Amen Bakocarl…
It’s a Great day to be alive
And I love that you keep reminding us, Rodney. When I read your declaration, it makes me pause and say to myself…”yes, indeed, it is!”
It sure is
Excellent!
Wonderful!
These are the hymns for our daily bread err thread.
Thank you Bakocarl!
Amen, Bakocarl.
And thank you for another wonderful Poem!
That is beautiful.
😍😊
*cough*
That choked me up.
😹
I’m thinking we need to collect all these most excellent Works of Bakocarl…and put them into a Works of Bakocarl Thread.
And put it in the sidebar.
I’d be happy to set up the thread, but I would need everybody’s help in rounding up your Poems.
Wolfie would have to be the one to put it in the sidebar.
That is…if he agrees.
I don’t have his superpowers to do that.
what a great idea wheatie…
poems are meant to be read and re-read…
what do you say Wolfie, can we add a sidebar thread for bakocarl’s wonderful poems !?
Sure – If Wheatie makes the thread, I’ll add it into the sidebar.
BTW – I just BACKED UP THE SITE so that we can open it up somewhere new if needed.
More coming on that whole issue soon.
Cool.
On both! 😊
I will wait to hear back from Bakocarl on the idea…because it is really his call to make, on whether to create a thread of his Work.
! am really glad that a number of QTreeps like some of the rhyming lines that I’ve written. “Glad” is a gross understatement, but words like “honored” are used so much and so insincerely these days that I just couldn’t say that.
I had to wait and think a bit before I addressed this subject. I feel it deeply and appreciatively when an individual might respond that in some way what I’ve written has helped build them up as a Christian or encourage their Christian life, or have even felt the truth of some matter in a stronger sense or expressed in a way that is particularly meaningful to them.
However, having a spotlight shine, in general, on what I’ve written is a daunting thought. I am the antithesis of a person who would enjoy being in front of a group to bask in the warm glow of their approbation. I waived my Navy retirement ceremony just for that reason.
I am not averse to there being a thread that collects some decent stuff that I’ve written. But, I’m positive I’ve written some cringeworthy material in the past, and will surely do so in the future . . . stuff that misses the mark whether it be the topic or the way of expressing it. It’d be great if you could have a handy “reject” stamp readily available to you. I really don’t want to and think that I have to step up to posting something only if it meets some standard.
Also, what about some of the good rhymes that some other QTreeps may have written or will write? As you may decide to reject some of my poor posts, could you also decide to include someone else’s posts that you have appreciated?
Also, the stuff I’ve written that is positive, uplifting or sentimentally memorable might be worthy of being included, but, frankly, I’m kinda past writing the “Hellery and Obozo are rats” kind of stuff. They may have been appropriate and humorous at the time of writing, but I don’t look back at those posts with any positive feelings.
As far as collecting stuff I’ve posted, I have everything I’ve posted on my hard drive. I will, as time goes by, probably be reposting or updating a significant number of posts from the past.
Anyway . . . I’ve rambled on long enough here.
Wheatie, can you give me some of your thoughts on this matter? Thank you!
I completely understand your reticence in having a thread to curate your Work, Bakocarl.
My main thought on suggesting it…was that it would be a way for those who may have missed the postings, to see your Work.
And also a way for everyone to revisit them.
I am only suggesting that we collect and curate the Poems that you have posted here on the Q-Tree…and they have all been stellar!
You would have total say on any others that you might want to add.
There is No Pressure on this.
At all!
And I am sorry for putting you on the spot about this.
It was just a thought.
Just think about it for a while.
It could even be called “Poetry Tree” or something like that…and you could be the one to post your Work, as you see fit.
That way, it wouldn’t be limited to just your Work.
Think about it…and please feel free to continue this conversation later, at any time.
😌🙂
This is m
This is me picturing Wolf driving a huge truck, Q tree shining in the back, and throwing it into reverse!!!
🤔🤔🤔🤔😄😄😄😄
bakocarl that was wonderful.
It made me think of an opposite story – “The Ungiving Tree”:
https://wqth.wordpress.com/2019/03/18/dear-maga-20190318-open-topic/
It is the nature of a tree to GIVE.
When a tree fails to GIVE, it, and everything that depends on it, dies.
Reject the tree of death, and choose the tree of life.
Very cool!
Just lovely, Bakocarl. Thank you for sharing your work with us.
Very nice. There are some great secrets of our success in there, which you’ve astutely captured!!! 😀
When I wrote the poem for today, I gave short shrift to the real beginnings of The Q Tree because I lacked any knowledge of those beginnings, but I just wrote a few stanzas on that and if reasonably accurate, and with your approval (please feel free to use your red pen liberally), I’ll add them at the very beginning. To add:
The Q Tree
Plantings need passion, a reason to be,
A need for the fruit from a future tree.
MAGA is our passion, it’s all we need;
Free speech is the means by which to proceed.
A few higher thoughts guide us each day:
Forgiveness of others, and the need to pray,
In God we trust (we must learn to depend),
And “Glory to God” sums up our chief end.
In the beginning, the site was prepared.
Our Head Arborist, with utmost care,
And a small team, conversed and agreed,
Then all together, they planted the seed.
so happy you found us here bakocarl!
everyone brings their gifts to share here…we appreciate you sharing yours with us!
bakocarl again a beautiful poem. I make this tree even more special than it is 🙂
I love poems.
Beautiful verse about our treasured Qfamily, BakoCarl. The power of our prayers is mighty, indeed.
Beautiful, Bakocarl.
I meant to share this on one of my News Roundups. I hope and pray for this family that our President does pardon Matt.
https://twitter.com/baba9773/status/1129004562172588034?s=21
https://twitter.com/baba9773/status/1129953414362869767?s=21
https://twitter.com/baba9773/status/1129953419110866947?s=21
War is a mean beast,kill or be killed…..Bottom line.
Seems some on our side don’t get it!
They don’t get it. They are willfully ignorant. It’s not about the rules of engagement it’s about attacking and demoralizing our military, burdening life or death battlefield decisions with legal wrangling far removed from the realities of war.
I do believe the patriots in America will show, when the time comes exactly why America and America are a force not to be fucked with.
We patriots are the bread and butter to our fine lady…
Fuck with one of us you fuck with us all…
Doesn’t help to have a Muslim potus
War can cause good men to do the unthinkable.
Flep,
thanks for posting this… praying for Matt…
Thanks for posting this, Felice.
I noticed you tweeted this at the Trump Family. Might I suggest you add:
Tweets by LaraLeaTrump
As I’m sure you’re aware she’s active in the campaign. I don’t tweet or I’d do it.
When we send men to war to kill how can we expect them not to kill the enemy when they strike our men and make bombs?
How many civilians are killed in every war when the top brass decides innocent civilians need to pay the price? How come they are not jailed. Dresden was bombed and they knew innocent people where in the city and in Japan the nuke was dropped an innocent people.
This was not a innocent man who got killed what is wrong with military leadership? Who are the evil men who decide a soldier should be jailed? What are there names? They should be shun and ostracized from society.
I like peace but if there has to be a war do not tie their hands behind their back and let the men do their job.
I pray that President Trump parents these men who are paying a price for leadership stupidity.
Does that young girl have a hand grenade under her dress? Does that kid have an IED in his cart? Is that woman pregnant or wearing 20 pounds of HE? Is that man selling fruit going to kill marines tonight?
Waging war among a functioning civilian population is extremely difficult and dangerous, especially when the courts weigh in and try to treat the individual details of the encounters of war as crimes, violations of law, and thereby subject to reasonable suspicion, probable cause, rules of evidence, guilt beyond a reasonable doubt, etc.
Delay a split second decision or ignore a gut feeling to act and you and maybe a lot of people around you might be dead. Letting the bombmaker walk free because he doesn’t have a backpack full of wires, batteries, timers and C-4 may result in numerous dead tonight or later.
Yes. War, literally, is hell on earth.
T3,
Thank you for remembering those persecuted. It’s not front and center in the news anywhere. Prayers for them.
Speaking my thoughts Jane… Amen
How are you doing Jane? Praying for you and your family.
Thank you PR.
SIL had open heart surgery yesterday. She is doing as well as can be expected. Thank you all for prayers for her.
I saw the GI on Thursday, and he wants more tests AND a biopsy of swollen glands in my neck. DH and I believe they are from an infection that hasn’t been eradicated. So, no. No biopsy until I see the UroGynecologist downstate at the end of next week.
Was to have the test Sat morning, but he didn’t write the script correctly, so the hospital called and said no test.
The Gyn up here that I saw 4 weeks ago, commented and prescribed an antibiotic without growing a culture ???
So had it with a medical sad-go-round.
Glad I have You all and wqth to keep my mind off it all.
However, when I see what’s going on with the vets, the persecuted Christians, and Our man and his people in DC, I remember that my stuff is trivial in comparison, and thank God for my small cross.
Still Iappreciate the prayers and love here.
Prayers
Thank you Rodney.
I will keep praying Dear Jane!!! Your “stuff” is important!!! Hugs sweetheart!!!
Thank you Merica.
Good report on SIL… will con’t praying for a good recovery
Take care of yourself… praying for resolution for you.
God bless you and your family.
Thank you PR.
Jane, reading through your remarks, and getting a feel for what you’re relating.
FYI. It’s not uncommon to order a round, even two rounds of antibiotics for swollen lymph glands if they’ve been swollen for several weeks without decreasing in size. It’s the first non-invasive move to make if not resolved absent any other clear diagnosis or viral or bacterial infection. Ultimately, if the lymph nodes don’t “go down” in your neck, then it would be reasonable to have them biopsied. It would need to be done to confirm no serious disease process. Lab tests (blood) don’t always tell if there’s infection or some other issue with the lymph system.
Keep us posted. Prayers for your SIL smooth recovery.
LP, I understand, but pointing out the lymph glands was me to the GI trying to tell him I still had an infection the Gyn had not taken care of completely. So within two minutes of making him aware of this, he had me possibly having lymphoma AND a possible fistula of bladder to colon, but real problem is vag bleed. It’s convoluted. LOL
Ok, but I’d keep an eye on the neck lymph glands.
I will, this morning what seems to be happening is a raging cold with sinus drainage on the same side as the swollem glands !!! Much more preferable than lymphoma.
((((Plain Jane))))
Hugs back Amwick. TY.
I appreciate the update on you and your SIL. I continue to keep you both in my daily prayers.
Thank you Sylvia.
Plain Jane thoughts and prayers are with you.
THANK you Singing Soul..
Here is a typical recent thread on a similar subject at the Ray Peat Forum. You could also read Ray Peat’s articles at his own site. His paradigm of metabolism and health turns conventional ideas upside down. He is a true humanitarian and does not seek profit.
https://raypeatforum.com/community/threads/need-advice-cancer-diagnosis.28456/#post-423957
Good luck.
TY Queens. Same side as root canal gone bad, molar pulled two years ago, after thousands of dollars of work on a tooth that didn’t bother me at at all begin with. Also same side, the porcelin coat of a metal bridge crumbled from the phony middle tooth of a bridge. The bridge was durable for 35 years. Very interesting. thanks.
You’ve got them, PJ – lots and lots of prayers from all of us here. God Bless!
Older and wiser, thank you bunches. Love you all.
Yes, isn’t it crazy that in the last 10 years, the persecution of Christians worldwide has increased exponentially and you hardly hear a word in the MCM about it. Boko Harem is terrorizing Christian communities all over Africa, killing hundreds at a time, and hardly anyone knows. But it isn’t just Africa – it’s all over. Sometimes I think that it could have been here as well if Hillary had won. We dodged a lot of different bullets when POTUS won.
Oh Linda, you said it right.
If you skipped over it, the 3 minutes would be well worth it!
T3, yes, I did skip over it. You are correct, it is very well worth the 3 minutes. He beautifully said a gospel of truth in that short a time. TY.
I just subscribed to Voice of the Martyrs. It details the lives of Christians all over the world who suffer for the faith. It’s free,but also worth donating to.
There is a film out about the founder of VOM, who spent 14 years in a communist prison in Romania.
https://www.persecution.com/2019-03-19-tfc-movie/
I first learned about the suffering church from Open Doors, but the work of Voice of the Martyrs is worthy of our attention. Open Doors seems to have the images and text I’m looking for more often than VoM for whatever reason. Not lifting one up over the other.
Open Doors looks wonderful.
I used to follow VOM a while back. Igot upset with one publication they put out once when they put something in about praying about global warming or something. Can’t remember exactly, but it was political and against my grain. I then figured they got infiltrated.
Good to know. I will keep an eye on that.
It floored me.
The infiltration is everywhere.
OMG – that 2020 dollar bill is just COOL!!!
You never know what you’ll find if you troll the twister comments in places that Qanon are to be found. 😉
Absolute must watch!
https://twitter.com/baba9773/status/1129934043875823621?s=21
I wonder what Judge P. looks/sounds like when she gets mad. /s
Amazing!
The silent one?
methinks the Judge means you Obama… Soetoro … Davis ———— whatever your name is…
and she’s right that soon, they’ll all be pointing their fingers AT YOU…
btw… hemp is legal now so they tell me.
His name is Legion.
I watched this myself. She did not name a name, but she said that basically everything points back to BO!!!
Way to go Jeanine!!!
Ahhhhh Sweden…..
Swedish Municipalities Head: Chain Migration Causing New Migrant Crisis
https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2019/05/18/swedish-municipalities-head-chain-migration-causing-new-migrant-crisis/
comment are very interesting… click tweet
Hmmmmm telling
Comments are ‘very interesting’ — nothing from the feminists.
That’s because they will conveniently use the get-out clause: different culture, different norms.
T3,
I believe strongly in the power of prayer… esp. when ‘two or more are gathered’
Another reason I appreciate this Qtree and my branch… so glad you are focusing on this persecution of our brothers and sisters in Christ. In the turmoil of the times often forget others are not safe.
Thank you for being you. God bless you and yours.
pR and T3,
I believe the Globo-Socialists have a new strategy to get us to accept global control by getting us to accept global control of people movements (fake migrations) used to alter governments to their desires.
They want to create CHRISTIAN REFUGEES NOW. CHRISTIAN MIGRANTS. That is how they want to get us to embrace their FAKE, CREATED, GOVERNMENT-CHANGING and GOVERNMENT-CONTROLLING “MIGRATIONS” (old Stalin trick, actually).
That is their emerging strategy. China will likewise begin persecutions of Christians, too, IMO – the CCP has been making anti-Christian noises.
They have discovered that their infiltration of churches on the receiving end is not enough – they need to HIT CHRISTIANS to make them move so that we have to embrace them, then embrace Muslim migrations as part of the package.
Globalists are quite evil in their calculations.
FYI, China has long been persecuting Christians. We just don’t hear a lot about it because…it’s China.
Oh, yes – I’m well aware. I think it’s going to get worse. A LOT worse. The recent statement was something along the lines of Christians being “a danger to China”. It sounded a bit like what was said about the Falun Gong before they started arresting them – the kind of set-up that happened before the authorities started arresting them en masse.
A repeat of the “organ spree” after the Falun Gong mass arrests is what I’m worried about. If there ARE arrests, it could then be a kind of military preparation as well.
Tbh I think China sees Muslims as more problematic,(oh really!) .i think they will replace falcon gong as the organ donors soon. Plus they’ve gotta be running out of falcon gong
Oh, yes – they are almost out of them. the graphs are CHILLING.
Wolf, thank you for that insight. I’ll be pondering that.
I don’t know if you were keeping an eye on the drafts, but figuring out the right touch for the Open was harder this week.
Everything began to click after seeing Martin Geddes’ latest “The Internet is Just a Prototype — the world in hyperlinks #62” bring attention to the tweet above. Martin is careful to disclose that he does not consider himself a Christian, but he seems to “get” that there’s a problem when persecution of the Church is a censored subject.
Full section from newsletter:
My first aim for the theme of posts is to cover what is not getting any coverage in the MCM or even in the #MAGA media without self-editing the scriptural foundations that inform my world. And to do it in a way that attempts to send an arrow to the heart of a lie or to rip a veil from our eyes. (Pretty ambitious, but the mentorship of the Q treepers has lit a fire in my belly.)
Good work!!!
Go get ’em!
I wish I could do more but I have to remember that I’m doing what I can and I’m doing what no one else can do on my behalf. Fight the battle that’s in front of you. Whatever hill you see, GO AND TAKE IT.
AMEN!
Very true. But they also hate Christianity. Many of them are Satanists, as Q has told us.
Yes – I believe that to be the case – that there are many Satanists and Luciferians up at the top of the Globalist cabal.
Wolf, I would suggest that the raison d’etre for Globalists IS Luciferian / Satanist.
I reckon a globalist never watched a cat take a shit in a sandbox, this is America. If you shit in my sandbox, imma bury you like a cat bury’s a turd
LIKE!!!
America is their problem. And I intend to do everything in my power to make it MORE OF ONE. 😎
Amen,Amen,AMEN
$#!+.
The usual suspects (Christian Post, Christianity Today, ERLC, etc.) have been posting on this lately. Even saw Mouw come out of the woodwork to guilt-whip Evangelicals that the stories of persecution in the states aren’t real (dismissing the attacks on faith in the U.S.) while promoting the idea of persecution internationally and the need to help other believers. You know full well that Mouw would love to see Evangelical churches pushed hard down the Fuller path of Christian progressivism. Meanwhile I would not be surprised at all to see Al Mohler, Russell Moore, and J.D. Greear push this soon, trying to look like they are all doing this independently rather than in coordinated fashion – whatever it takes to get control of the SBC against the will of convention… Greear will come out and preach about “the Gospel” and how we are called to aid others merely as a mechanism to promote the invade and compromise agenda, so predictable…
I’m barely scratching the surface on this. So many others know so much more than I do on this leftist coup to sabotage American Christianity.
It’s going to go like this… “Do you want a free ticket to America? Come now, the door is open! When you go in, lie and say you are a Christian and that you are seeking religious and political asylum. Boom, whammo! You’re allowed into America!”
A lot of unscrupulous people will be happy to claim to be Christian if it gets them in the door. It’s not like the U.S. government is going to run them through catechesis for confirmation.
Yup. You’re seeing it, too. The left’s LOVEFARE is almost as devious as their LAWFARE.
Did you just coin that term “LOVEFARE”? That does put it into sharp focus.
And the globalists are guilting us into accepting the invasion. Yes, we are supposed to harbor the harborless, and not ask questions, but when the laws are not followed, that should be questioned. Even in the St. Vincent de Paul food pantries, when the people running them compared notes, they discovered a group running a scam. These were Americans, not foreigners, but still, there are people who are going to take advantage of naive Christians who don’t use their heads.
Useful idiots come in all forms – evil, shifty, blows with the wind, loving, and extra loving!
You did it sweet friend!! (thank you for including me 😘 humbled) Your poem is one of the most authentic Posts ever! “All to God above, through Whom we thrive.” Just PERFECT! ( cannot find an emoji that celebrates you!) Bakocarl= Treasure…
Praying Medic @prayingmedic
17m17 minutes ago
Retweeted Donald J. Trump
[They] want us divided.
Divided we are weak.
United we are strong.
For every baby killed because he/she was a product of rape or incest, I want the rapist killed as well.
If society is not willing to kill the rapist who impregnates his victim, then we don’t kill the baby either.
A woman who gets raped and becomes pregnant will still live whether she kills the baby or not. Equality under the law says that it is unconstitutional to treat the baby less than the mother OR the rapist.
Stop killing babies for fun & profit, America.
“Stop killing babies for fun & profit, America.”
Would make a great bumper sticker.
Agree. The only reason why POTUS is tracking this direction is that he has to have something to work with, at least a starting point where he can get the majority of people to agree. Despite the fact, and you’re right, of course the innocent child should not be murdered due to how they were conceived, there has to be some “give” on where we can take them on. If we demand the extreme, it’s quite possible we’ll not get anything – but this “compromise” brings the rest to the table.
I’m not saying I agree, but this approach is one way of getting the majority of abortions stopped. We also need to enforce PP reporting rapes – which they obviously don’t do, so the rapist continues on.
BTW, with several states passing more restrictive abortion laws, this is going to go the Supreme Court… they’re are going to “hear” the one that makes the most sense for them to try and overturn Roe v Wade – at least the Conservatives on the Court. They can pull any case they want and they’re going to careful about which one they take.
Legally and Constitutionally, the narrowest way (remember, the SC does things narrowly) they’ll deal with an abortion ruling – and most of us won’t be happy – will be to return it to the states. IOW, overturn the R v W decision that decided a woman had a “constitutional” right to abortion.
I want them to rule on the issue of Life and that abortion is murder, but it likely won’t be that direction. Returning it to the states, gives them their heartbeat bills, which at least is a major improvement.
I’m still looking for going after New York, and the other states who are passing legislation accepting infanticide.
Keep in mind that I was only stating my view. I was most certainly NOT saying that any laws should be passed matching those views, although I would be happier if they were.
Exactly. We have to be smart AND honest. That approach seems on the surface to be harder than smart and devious, but in the end it really is the easiest and BEST way.
“As most people know, and for those who would like to know, I am strongly Pro-Life, with the three exceptions – Rape, Incest and protecting the Life of the mother – the same position taken by Ronald Reagan.”
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I understand why many people choose those exceptions, but it makes for a bad (untenable) logic argument. Like building your house on quicksand.
It’s trying to find a ‘third way’, trying to ‘straddle the fence’, but what it does is leave an opening, a chink in the armor, an inconsistency for the enemy to attack and exploit.
Simply stated, pro-life is either pro-life, or it isn’t.
Simply stated, the conceived child is either innocent, or the child isn’t.
If it is, then every life is precious, every life is valuable, and every life — at least in this country — must be afforded equal protection under the Constitution.
Regardless of how the child was conceived, if the child is innocent — then by what reason of LOGIC can the child be executed?
That is where the logic breaks down.
By what reason of LOGIC is that child deprived of his or her God-given inalienable Rights — most especially the Right to LIFE?
When we seek to carve out exceptions, do we not necessarily contradict the foundations of our own professed worldview, and expose inconsistency in our reasoning?
So let’s take a look at these three exceptions, to see whether they can withstand scrutiny. It should be a simple thing to do.
In the case of rape:
1) is the child a ‘life’ or not? If the answer is “no”, then we’re done here.
But if the answer is “yes”, then:
2) is the child guilty or innocent? If the child is guilty, then we’re done here.
But if the child is innocent, then by what Authority does anyone put an innocent child to death, without violating the Constitution and every foundational principle upon which the Constitution is based?
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In the case of incest, it is the exact same argument:
1) is the child a ‘life’ or not? If the answer is “no”, then we’re done here.
But if the answer is “yes”, then:
2) is the child guilty or innocent? If the child is guilty, then we’re done here.
But if the child is innocent, then by what Authority does anyone put an innocent child to death, without violating the Constitution and every foundational principle upon which the Constitution is based?
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In the case of the life of the mother is in danger:
This is the only one of the three that can be argued either way, because if the life of the mother is in legitimate jeopardy, then by consequence, both lives are in jeopardy.
In such a tragic situation, saving one life is plainly better than losing two. So the decision becomes which life to save. Hopefully the chances of survival for one is clearly better than the other, so the decision would be, relatively speaking, less difficult.
For example, if there are complications such that the mother is not likely to survive no matter what happens, it would seem the best hope is to do whatever can be done to save the child.
And if there are complications such that the child is not likely to survive no matter what happens it would seem the best hope is to do whatever can be done to save the mother.
If the odds of survival do not meaningfully favor the mother or the child, i.e., if there is roughly a 50/50 chance for the survival of either the mother or the child, then that would seem to make for the most difficult decision of all. Extenuating circumstances come into play, e.g., does the mother already have other young children whose lives depend on her? Or, perhaps, is this her first and only chance to have a child, and that means more to her than anything else? Who can answer such questions, besides the mother (and if part of the picture, the father)?
Under the case of the mother’s life being in danger, no matter which of the three potential scenarios outlined immediately above, who can possibly make the decision, besides the mother and father, or the mother by herself, if the father, for whatever reason, is absent?
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So it would seem that the only exception which can be logically defended is in the case where the life of the mother is in danger.
The other two (rape and incest) necessarily punish an innocent life, by terminating that life — the ultimate punishment — without due process or any legitimate Lawful authority to do so.
Man can legislate to himself ‘legal’ Authority to do anything, and Man often does just that, to our great shame. Just look at Roe v. Wade.
But just because something is ‘legal’, that does not make it ‘Lawful’ — not by the Constitution, and not according to our Creator.
I understand, and sympathize, with the desire to create exceptions for rape and incest.
I just don’t know how to defend those exceptions, logically or rationally.
And if we cannot defend them without resorting to some kind of ‘appeal to emotion’ (a textbook logical fallacy), then how can we prevail?
edit / correction: clearly Roe v. Wade was not legislation, but a terrible judicial decision.
I should have said “Man can
legislategrant to himself ‘legal’ Authority to do anything, and Man often does just that, to our great shame. Just look at Roe v. Wade.”You were right the first time. Roe v Wade WAS legislation.
Yes, similar to Justice Roberts writing Obamacare law where there was no legislation.
The SC twisting themselves into pretzels is a sight to behold – and not pretty. Justice Scalia was correct when he remarked about wearing a bag over his head when the homosexual “right” to marriage came to pass. I don’t remember that being legislation either. Congress would never have been able to “pass” the legislation. I’m pretty sure that none of those would have passed as a Constitutional Amendment – which is why the Founders enshrined that as a safety net. Now the Justices themselves go around even that.
Now we have the Constitution defining marriage as other than what basic Laws of Nature dictate – and thus we’ll have pedophilia, incest, and whatever the transgenders can take over. Ironic that it’s the women who are going to be most harmed by the transgender crazies.
We’ve had the Highest Court of the land legislating.
Logic fails us when we are not factoring in all the facts.
Fact:
No two rapes are alike.
Rapes range from consensual ‘Statutory Rape’ when the girl is under the age of consent…to gang rapes…to rapes so brutal that the victim is left clinging to life in a ditch.
So ‘rape conceptions’ happen in a wide variety of circumstances.
Ignoring this does a disservice to the rape victims.
Fact:
We each ‘own’ our own genetic material.
A rapist is essentially stealing the genetic material of the victim and forcing it to be combined with his own.
Does the victim not have the right to ‘repossess’ her own genetic material and dispose of it if she wants to?
If the answer to this is ‘No’…then are we establishing the precedent that ‘We do not own our own genetic material’?
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Scott, you mentioned “quicksand” in your opening remarks.
This whole subject of the Rape Exception is quicksand.
And as Wolf rightly said in our discussion below…it is a minefield as well.
Wheatie, you just expressed the best argument for the rape exception I have ever heard, or read.
I agree. Victims of CRIMINAL rape (which includes both forcible and malevolent / malignant forms of statutory rape) AND women who regret abortions are BOTH extremely psychologically damaged. The rape exception says that a woman who is traumatized by [real] rape – the psychological equivalent of nearly losing a LIMB – something devastating that cannot be undone – has freedom to choose among the bad choices of how to heal.
It’s a horrible choice. We are not honest by saying abortion fixes it – it does not. I’ve known women damaged by abortion to the point of suicide. But rape does similar damage. How to heal that is not MY bad choice – it is the victim’s.
Is a woman allowed the option of cutting the attacker out of the rest of her life by a morning after pill or early abortion? Those who have an “instantaneous” view of the universe can very effectively argue that THEIR CHOICE to abort a pre-enervated “future human” is on morally solid ground per THEIR morality of freedom to affect their own future and disownership of “future humanity” that only exists (to them) in a possible future that never exists because of their own choice. They do not share MY view of time and choice and imperatives across the multiverse, let alone that of more orthodox Christians. Cells with future possibility is many things to many people, and our perspectives on life and death differ.
Trump is smart on this, because he gets what preserves FREEDOM – the Constitutional imperative of NO PRIOR RESTRAINT – and how this relates to the abuse of the rape exception.
The Constitution does not restrict based on the POSSIBILITY of crime. The blatant abuse of the rape exception IS a LIE and a CRIME, but that crime is on those who commit it, NOT the innocent who don’t abuse it. We still grant FREEDOM even though we know it will be abused. That is core AMERICA.
Wolfie, what a great post. Carefully considered, clearly stated. Thanks for thinking this through and taking the time and effort to share it with us.
Same here. Very impressive.
“Logic fails us when we are not factoring in all the facts.
Fact:
No two rapes are alike.”
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That is true, but how is it relevant to whether the resulting conception is:
A) a life?
and
B) innocent?
This is the problem which many appear to lose focus of. Or maybe the focus is shifted 100% onto the mother, and 0% on the baby. I understand the emotional pull to side with the mother, because that is the person to whom we as adults can best relate. But who is going to side with the innocent child — the one who cannot speak for or defend him or herself?
For purposes of example, regardless of HOW conception occurred, it has happened.
There is a living child in the womb.
How can we ignore or dismiss that child’s life, and that child’s right to live, based on… anything?
What circumstance, which led to the creation of the child, can be blamed on the child, and laid at the child’s feet, to justify ending that child’s life?
And if we can ignore that child’s right to live, then we can ignore yours and mine, too… right?
Is it not the same Constitution that guarantees and protects all three?
“who is going to side with the innocent child — the one who cannot speak for or defend him or herself?”
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I will…….. and DO!
I do too, but it was probably an unfair point, since I’m confident nearly everyone here would, and I was not meaning to imply that anyone here wouldn’t.
I don’t think that you implied that anyone here did not agree. You just stated a sound and COMPETENT defense of the CHILDREN.
And I for one THANK YOU!
“Rapes range from consensual ‘Statutory Rape’ when the girl is under the age of consent…to gang rapes…to rapes so brutal that the victim is left clinging to life in a ditch.”
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Okay, but what does that have to do with the price of beans in China?
We need to understand the argument if we are to have any hope of defending our position.
Approaching the argument from the perspective of how the conception occurred is 100% emotion-based, but does not address the core issue of how the baby is responsible for how the conception occurred.
And if the baby is not responsible (not guilty) for how the conception occurred, and if the baby is a ‘life’, and if the baby is innocent, then how can that life be taken?
How can the child be punished for the deeds of another?
How do we rationalize and justify that, morally OR lawfully?
I’m not trying to be difficult, I’m just pointing out the logic problems with the argument.
Either those logic problems can be answered (logically resolved), or they can’t.
If they can be resolved, then we ought to do it now, here, where we can work these things out, so that we are prepared to address these arguments ‘out there’ in the world.
But if they cannot be resolved, then does intellectual honesty not compel us to reconsider our view based upon facts and logic?
“So ‘rape conceptions’ happen in a wide variety of circumstances.
Ignoring this does a disservice to the rape victims.”
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But I am not ignoring it, I am asking how it is relevant to the life of the child. In order to take a life, we must have a reason, a lawful cause.
So the first question to be answered is this: is the child a ‘life’?
Obviously it is.
The second question which must be answered then is this: if the child is innocent, then by what logic, by what authority, by what Law is that child’s life taken?
You see, none of these questions have anything to do with how the child was conceived.
The way in which the child was conceived has no bearing, no connection of which I am aware, to how the life of the child is addressed.
If I am wrong, then I want to understand why I am wrong, so I can explain it to others.
How am I wrong?
You are NOT “wrong”!
I stand side by side with YOU……
and YOUR reasoning.
Thanks
Scott…a child is a ‘product’ of emotion.
Whether it is the emotion of Love…or Lust…or just wanting to produce offspring…a child is the product of those emotions.
I brought up the wide range of rapes because the more horrific the rape, the more traumatized the rape victim is.
Here again, emotion plays a part.
The more traumatized the rape victim is…the more her emotions will play into her decision to have an abortion.
The rape victim who was brutally assaulted has already been punished by that assault.
Do we punish her further by forcing her to give birth to the child that is a product of that assault?
God Bless the women who can forgive their rapists and decide to have their babies.
But not all rape victims are able to that.
You claim that the “way in which the child was conceived has no bearing” on how the life of the child is addressed.
You are free to make that claim…but then you are not a rape victim.
Emotion is a big factor in our reproductive process.
It is not logical to ignore this fact.
“Fact:
We each ‘own’ our own genetic material.”
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A property rights argument.
Okay, does that fact not apply to the baby as well?
If the baby does not, then the argument is inconsistent, and therefore faulty.
And if the baby does own his or her genetic material, if we are consistent in our reasoning, then by what reason of logic or morality or Law does anyone deprive the baby of that right of ownership?
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“A rapist is essentially stealing the genetic material of the victim and forcing it to be combined with his own.”
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So the rapist, by raping and stealing and forcing, has committed crimes which must be addressed.
But what crime has the baby committed?
And if the baby has committed no crime, then by what reason of logic, morality or Law is the baby to be punished and deprived of his or her life?
I’m not suggesting there are not valid, logical answers to these questions, I’m just saying that I don’t know what they are. We need to know what those answers are, if we are expected to be able to defend the position, yes?
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“Does the victim not have the right to ‘repossess’ her own genetic material and dispose of it if she wants to?”
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I don’t know… does the act of repossession involve violating the rights of someone else, depriving another living being of his or her life, without due process?
If so, would that not be wrong?
If I remember correctly, it was Abraham Lincoln who said that no one has the right to do wrong.
How does one dispose of a human life — logically, morally or lawfully — according to ‘want’?
If ‘want’ is the qualifier, is that not the exercise of will, without consideration for others?
I may ‘want’ to punch someone in the nose… they might even deserve it… but does that ‘want’ bestow upon me the authority to commit assault and battery?
I do not see how ‘want’ can be a ‘qualifier’ that can withstand scrutiny.
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“If the answer to this is ‘No’…then are we establishing the precedent that ‘We do not own our own genetic material’?”
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Again, does the baby not own the baby’s genetic material, as surely as you own yours?
If the baby is a life, then it does.
If the baby is not a life, then it does not.
Which is it?
Does the answer to that question not answer your own question?
The precedent is that life is precious, it is valuable, and therefore Law has existed throughout time to protect life and to punish those who take the life of another unlawfully.
In order to lawfully take a life, there are clear conditions which must be met:
A) self-defense
B) due process, as in a crime was committed, the perpetrator was given a trial, the jury found him guilty, the sentence was death, and the life is terminated by the State
If there is another circumstance in which a life can lawfully be taken, it does not occur to me at the moment.
Which one applies to the baby?
It cannot be ‘B’, the baby has committed no crime.
It might be argued that ‘A’ is applicable, if complications from the pregnancy threaten the mother’s life, but that falls under the category of ‘health of the mother’, not under the category of ‘rape’.
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“Scott, you mentioned “quicksand” in your opening remarks.
This whole subject of the Rape Exception is quicksand.”
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Very much agreed, which is why I am trying to be very careful in how I proceed.
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“And as Wolf rightly said in our discussion below…it is a minefield as well.”
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Agreed again, but we must successfully negotiate this minefield, somehow, in order to come out on the other side, yes?
I am trying to negotiate the minefield.
I am probing the ground, to see where logic prevails, and where emotion prevails.
Where I find emotion, I move laterally, and probe again.
Where I find logic, I move forward one step, and probe again.
How else shall we get through the minefield?
This whole “Abortion” (MURDER) argument can be settled with two words:
SELF CONTROL.
“Abortion” as a means of “Birth Control”. is a fallacy.
“Globs of cells” do NOT have a Heartbeat!
Aspirin still seems to me…. to be the BEST form of “Birth Control”……
Put an aspirin between your knees, and don’t let it hit the ground.
Play the “Game”…. Pay the PRICE!
The CHILD is INNOCENT in ALL cases.
I believe POTUS is focusing attention on the fact that recent Alabama bill with ONLY exception to save mother’s life.
Trump is a master strategist. People need to listen to him on this. This is why he was smart on bump stocks, and the NRA stood with him. Bump stocks were not DEFENSIBLE, and Trump has an intuitive sense for what is or is not defensible.
So a baby conceived by rape or incest is sacrificed for the sin of the father and that is okay? God allowed that baby to come into being. I find it difficult to defend the option of baby dies, as in killed in womb, because of circumstances of conception. Especially after hearing women tell stories of how going through this type of pregnancy brought healing to their hearts.
https://wqth.wordpress.com/2019/05/19/dear-maga-20190519-open-topic/comment-page-1/#comment-151878
I’m still surprised that anyone in that situation who doesn’t think they can raise that child doesn’t give them up for adoption. There are so many people who want children and can’t have them who would be wonderful parents. But they can’t find babies to adopt.
Linda, I was surprised by that also, but after all the years in pro-life, I learned of many reasons abortion was chosen. The reason that was the most legitimate in her eyes, came from a woman who had a horrible youth of incest and being shared with his friends. She did not want her baby to possibly face the same life.
And that is one reason why we don’t punish the mother-to-be. Not to be too cynical about it but overturning Roe means it is up to the states. And there will always be states that allow abortion. Interstate travel is a bit difficult but Planned Butcherhood can use some of its money for transportation costs from prohibition states if it wants to facilitate abortion procuring.
Yep.
Time for some patented ….
Wolf’s Brutal Honesty! 😉
Personally, I think that the rape thing is a dodge anyway, IF there is the 8 week window given to kill the fertilized egg / zygote / fetus / baby / individual / choose your term as the child advances (being blunt here).
With an 8 week window, what we are saying IN LAW is that a CONCEIVED BABY can be aborted up to 8 weeks old. What this means is that – in reality – ALL children of REPORTED FORCIBLE RAPES will either be kept as desired or GONE as fertilized eggs or zygotes (small clumps of cells of the new individual).
Reported forcible rapes get the morning after pill if the woman wants it. If not, she can have any child that results. In Alabama law, she has two months to decide. Thus, real, forcible rape is basically a non-issue in terms of actual pregnancy under the Alabama law, but we have to be very blunt about it to make the argument.
Forcible rape pregnancy DOES become an issue for a woman who decides to keep the baby and then changes her mind after 8 weeks. IMO, 8 weeks is plenty of time to make a decision, and if you went 8 weeks saying “LIFE”, then after that time, the BABY wins the argument going forward.
There is also the question of STATUTORY RAPES and UNREPORTED RAPES. But again, the 8 week window basically says that ANY REASON is OK in the window that an unreported rape pregnancy will be discovered. And STATUTORY RAPE PREGNANCIES (what I like to call “Planned Parenthood rapes”) are basically creepy boyfriends leaning on women to get abortions. These are not “real” rapes. They are STATUTORY or not even rapes at all. I don’t see any problem with an 8 week cut-off, like all the other pregnancies.
But before I sum up by saying that I think the Alabama law actually IS defensible (because I do, SORT OF), we need to address the whole conception thing, because the argument you are making leads to getting rid of the 8 weeks. THAT is even more dangerous than what Trump is talking about, IMO. It’s getting dangerously close to banning contraception.
Now if you are talking about getting rid of post-fertilization contraception, Trump is right, and all the gains on life will be lost. Wolf “Machiavelli” Moon is just being honest. This nation was founded at a time when women believed they could “deter a pregnancy” prior to “the quickening”, and that is roughly what modern contraception and very early abortion does, too. Renege on that, and the issue is handed back to the commies on a gold platter. The fact is, contraception is popular. If that is next, TROUBLE.
Just Sayin’. Perfect will kill good again, and we will all stand at the graveside of Life going “what went wrong”? Except perhaps a few of us head-shakers getting a beer until the next time. 😉
Again, I personally think an 8 week window plus life of mother after that is defensible, but people on our side will have to get very dirty and make the rape arguments that “8 weeks is good” loudly and crudely. Prepare to be “Todd Akined” if you’re not extremely careful to say exactly what you mean, and not back down.
Now – is Trump right on this? He may well be. We TRIED HARD to make the arguments for Judge Roy Moore, when Alabama went against the advice of Trump on Luther, but it was not enough, and after that, WE ALL SAID “LISTEN TO TRUMP NEXT TIME”.
Well, THIS IS NEXT TIME.
Trump was RIGHT on pre-existing conditions, trust me. We would be up SHIT CREEK if we had not listened to him on pre-existing conditions.
Trump was RIGHT on bump stocks, and put the kibosh on one of the most stealthy and insidious plans against the Second Amendment that was ever conceived. It was CUNNING and they murdered 58 people to try to make it stick. EVIL. Trump BEAT IT by saving good from the perfect Obama “gift”.
Trump was RIGHT on Luther. We LOST on that one.
I suspect Trump is right here, too.
I don’t feel like our side is up for getting bloody and making the necessary rape arguments. I just don’t see the WILL of good people like you, to assure the women who NEED that 8 weeks of baby-killing (literally). What I see is people on our side who would prefer instead to convince the target market to bear a rapist’s child, which is simply not realistic in political time, or even antithetical to actually winning.
These people need that 8 weeks of FREE BABY KILLING which you cannot sell, to work for RAPE, which it does. But good people will try to bait and switch them to keeping the baby – a position they will never accept, or only YEARS from now.
Good people will UNSELL THE PRODUCT.
In other words, we don’t have the political will to sell the compromise as it is – 8 weeks of free baby-killing is enough – it can be effectively argued. But the argument that SAVES the Alabama bill is one that most on our side cannot make, much less make in good faith.
Trump is speaking in the language of political realism.
I see one other way past this. Give the woman MORE TIME on rape – maybe 12 weeks to decide. This subconsciously sells my argument by making people think about women needing time to consider what to do with a child of rape.
But remember – our side wants to sell ZERO WEEKS. Which cannot sell to that segment of the market without years of more media (films like the one that helped to sell 8 weeks).
This is WOLF’S BRUTAL HONESTY, just being honest.
Well you explained it much better than I did, Wolfie. But the takeaway, and brutal yes,
“Trump is speaking in the language of political realism.”
We have to start somewhere, and calling for the extreme doesn’t give any room at the negotiating table – where most people would be comfortable is what you laid out.
I personally think life begins BEFORE THE UNIVERSE, but I’m not even sure I could sell that one to the Pope! 😉
Yes – we have to negotiate PLAUSIBLY with the concerns of the other side, in their language.
I’m frankly shocked that we’re down to 8 weeks. That is a BREATHTAKING VICTORY. I almost feel that 8 weeks is so much of a victory, that adding a REPORTED RAPE exception (see my arguments why this would be unused) would be my first offering as a nothingburger concession.
I really want to GUT the “Planned Parenthood Fake Rapes” thing. REPORT IT or accept the “8 weeks, no questions asked” grace period. So I totally understand getting rid of the highly abused rape exception after the 8 weeks. But how can we get past the psychological hostage drama that the left has constructed around the need for the exception? Requiring REPORTING for the exception may be the answer. An essentially unused exception is as good as not having one.
And what about the woman who is … shall we say … rather free with her charms who has many partners (or even just a few partners) and then is raped (or is it rape when he already had her and then wants her again and she says no, which he ignores).
She gets to use abortion as birth control.
Oh God help me but I am sick of this subject. STOP KILLING BABIES!!!
“I personally think life begins BEFORE THE UNIVERSE”
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And…. I also believe SALVATION also occurs before the Universe….
I 100% AGREE! (Most do not)
Jeremiah 1:5
Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations.
AMEN!
I tend to agree with this.
From The Moment of Conception is unworkable for a number of reasons, not just popularity of conception, and the Other Side would just love to see Pro Lifers die on that hill.
It’d be the flip side of refusing to ban the killing of abortion survivors.
That symmetry is an excellent point.
Know when to hold ’em. Know when to fold ’em.
“would love to see Pro Lifers die on that hill” – SteveInCO
“political realism” – wolfmoon1776
Yes, we have to have wisdom to see what is possible now (what the steps in the right direction are) vs. what will kill our cause altogether. Our Founders did not overtly abolish slavery in the Constitution because they knew the time was not right and that it could not be borne, but they provided a document that paved the way for the belief in freedom for all individuals to become reality. In my opinion, we are now in a similar battle that must be fought wisely and without legalism.
Also similar, in my opinion, was the 2016 battle between conservatives who wanted a Christian “ruler” (anathema in America) vs. those who could see that now-Pres. Trump was a once-in-a-lifetime man of the hour, exactly what we need at this time. Not perfect, not a Sunday School teacher, not overtly Christian, but the person who could help save our country and advance Christian, moral, Constitutional principles. We have to fight battles carefully and strategically. Pres. Trump is a perfect example of this — both in his election and the way his executes his duties in office.
Well said. Your description of Trump as a flawed fighter for “morality in reality” is not only a description of myself, but also certain abolitionist leaders I admire, who – had they not had to contend with John Brown, might have led us OUT of slavery without civil war. Trump is concerned with the same problems I am – the problems of PEACE.
There is a part of me that admires John Brown and Sitting Bull – who preferred to fight rather than compromise – and a part that remembers the UNSUNG HEROES who fought peacefully, advanced causes to victory, and saved many lives from bloodshed. And for all my griping about England, I will never cease to admire that THEY got rid of slavery PEACEFULLY.
Very wise analysis.
TTT, see my response (to pgroup) slightly upthread. I agree with you, likely we all do, but I addressed why POTUS’ approach makes sense right now.
“God allowed that baby to come into being.”
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I love you, TTT…and I love it that you are fighting for the Unborn.
But God ‘allows’ a lot of things to happen.
Wars, murders, plagues and famines…all happen.
Are we to think those things are good because God let them happen?
God has allowed a lot of abortions to happen.
Are we to think that those were good because God allowed them to happen?
The subject of a ‘rape conception’ is far more complicated than we want it to be.
So I agree with our President, that there should be an exception for it.
The law makes a lot of “artificial” distinctions with huge consequences, and one of those distinctions is what constitutes a “person.” The prohibition or restriction of abortion necessarily implicates government coercion and control. In the realm of government coercion and control, considerations of practicality, reasonableness, individual freedom, and civil stability are all factors.
Life is too big and too messy to be comprehensibly addressed by government, even on matters of basic morality. Many bad and evil things have always happened and always will happen. The first “resort” (and IMO the Christian resort) is the individual conscience. The second “resort” is government punishment. And in either case life will remain big and messy, with a lot of bad and evil.
VSG has too many battles to waste time on futility. Maybe when our society (many years from now, we hope, if ever) has a deeper understanding of reality then government punishment as a means of addressing evil will conform more closely to the ideal.
We have a lot of cultural work to do. And yet we are already seeing the results of the cultural work we did just by supporting Trump. It is ASTOUNDING what has happened in just TWO YEARS.
Daughn’s post on “Bohemian Rhapsody” was one of those things that literally changed my life. The EXPANSE of cultural possibility that Trump has opened our eyes to is like the American frontier at that time – almost incomprehensibly vast. It is like space NOW – amazing possibility for the future. All we need to do is BELIEVE in it, and in OURSELVES.
Can we advance to a time when we AGREE about human life and freedom and think that arguments about abortion are as silly as arguments about slavery or genocide? BELIEVE IT POSSIBLE – just don’t demand it without AMERICAN EXCEPTIONALISM, HARD WORK, and FAITHFUL EXPLORATION.
Ditto x 1000. VSG x 1000. The man understands exactly where “we” are, and he is patiently leading it (1000 x) in the right direction.
The irony is that the “conservative” pov is the actual “progressive” pov.
BTW daughn and wheatie are astonishing in their understanding and explication of things.
Funny, but on QTH women (and there are MORE) are the leading intellectual/polemical/spiritual voices. Let me throw in creative.
LOL … this site puts male chauvinism to shame!
We’re CONSERVATIVES! And we CONSERVE the benefits that FREE WOMEN, living as they please – typically AS WOMEN – demanding equality but not identity with men – bring to our society! 😀
Daughn (as usual) had the BEST Intentions in that post.
I was saddened to see her treated the way she was.
I have not seen her post since?
I miss her and her comments and Articles.
We all have to learn to live with free speech again. Every day I try to teach that here. We don’t all agree, but we all make an effort to understand, and to LEARN from each other. THAT is the strength that will make America, and the WORLD, great again.
We don’t deceive each other, even by silence. I am very glad people spoke their minds both ways. I could not have seen the WHOLE TRUTH any other way.
Daughn usually gets pure adulation here, but if she’s going to publish that book, she will need to go full Daughn, even with her friends here, and embrace disagreement and criticism with STYLE!
Don’t worry about that! Nobody who grabs a child-abuser over a church pew in the middle of a service is going to be put off by a minor disagreement over MUSIC! 😉
And the differences in “understanding” between Q Treepers is a good thing!
I too, am for “Free” speech…..
even IDIOTIC liberal speech.
Differences in thought SHOULD cause self reflection. I am pretty sure of what I think I KNOW…
Yet, I listen to differing “Opinions” and weigh those “opinions” with an open mind. I KNOW that I am NOT always correct….. but one must PROVE where I am in error.
Thanks again for this AWESOME site.
God allowed…
The world, the flesh, and the devil are committing all these atrocities on earth, every since the fall of Adam.
God gave us fee choice, He does not control us.
God’s Word is true. He will not/cannot change it or He would be a Liar.
He cannot come down here and interfere with man and the choices man makes.
The ONLY exception, pre-ordained and prophesied in His Word, is sending Jesus to save us and reconcile us back to Him.
God keeps His Word.
It looks like God allows and condones, but He does not. He keeps HIS WORD.
It breaks God’s heart, but he can do nothing to stop….for now.
⭐️Our only defense/offense is prayer and the Word of God. He sends His Angels to take charge over us. His Angels harken to His Word.⭐️
⭐️What the devil meant for harm, God works out together for our good⭐️
⭐️PRAY THE WORD⭐️ Our 2edged sword, the weapons of our warfare, mighty for pulling down strongholds⭐️
When Jesus comes back, IT WILL ALL CHANGE. Come quick Lord Jesus!!
I respectfully disagree with the “Free will” concept.
I (nor anyone else) can tell God what to do.
HE…. is Not sitting in Heaven WAITING on “us” o do the right thing.
HE Planned ALL, and HIS will is going to be done!
My (And anyone else’s) “free will” would surely RUIN his PROPHESY!
Saul was KILLING Christians …..
GOD grabbed him by the eyes and CHANGED him into Paul.
It was nowhere stated in the Bible where Saul’s “Free Will” changed him.
JMHO
Romans 8:28
And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.
“So a baby conceived by rape is sacrificed”….my answer is yes, if that raped victim is an 11 year old impregnated by an illegal invader with criminal record! She is but a child herself…absolutely no concept of carrying a baby, and heartbreaking for her family to witness.
Or, when an orderly continually rapes a brain-damaged young patient and impregnates her.
Only a couple of recent examples…
There comes a point when common sense needs to be taken into consideration. My opinion only, of course…
Yes – “common sense” literally means that it is common to Americans. Trump has been quite brilliant at determining where common sense IS, and where it is GOING, and moreover where it SHOULD GO – even on the most divisive issues. We dispense with his judgment at our peril.
I realize you are a Christian and I’m not. However I have in fact been raped and you have absolutely no right to impose your religious beliefs regarding whether or not I carry a child that is a product of rape to term. None. Nada. Zip.
Trump is right in this scenario. And let’s be honest here, and quit arguing over stupid details. The fact is, the honest fact, is that 95% plus of abortions are performed because the child isn’t convenient. Because the parents were not responsible either in their sexual choices or in their sexual behavior. THAT is the crux of the issue. Not rape.
Liberals want abortion available because it keeps them from having to deal with the product of their irresponsible behavior. And while we’re at it, let’s keep in mind that, by a narrow majority, it’s mostly white women having abortions. Followed by blacks. So one could even say it’s a form of genocide, or population control, for these groups.
Brother Andrew started smuggling Bibles into communist countries oh so many years ago and experienced miracle are miracle allowing him to get the Bibles in and to believers in hiding. He has the heart of a lion!
BTW, has anybody seen OUR brother Andrew (Andrew1979)?
Haven’t seen any of his posts lately. Hope he’s okay.
Has anybody else seen the short video that Isaac Kappy apparently released shortly before his death? It depicts two very young girls scantily dressed in what appears to be Roman slave outfits in some type of temple/bath house pouring pitchers of water over some kind of alter. This location looks like it cost a few bucks to build. In the background are two more young girls in bathing suits with their backs to the camera. Their are no adults on screen and no audio…although one of the girls seems to look at the person filming as though taking directions. The children do not appear to be in distress…at least from what can be discerned from this short clip. But it is disturbing nonetheless.
It is only about six seconds long and looped to replay. I would post the link here…but I can’t verify its authenticity as to what it is or where it came from or if it was indeed released by Mr. Kappy. And I wouldn’t want to do so if it brought negative attention to this site. It has been making the rounds on the internet and being taken down in most places.
I have not seen it. Not sure I want to. It sounds like it’s not child porn, but perhaps close. Makes me wonder if it’s Satanist.
Speaking of VERY odd videos (and very odd performers), the Eurovision Song Contest was held in Tel Aviv this year, amid very heightened security, and very “MK’d” performances. Germany’s entrant came in 24th (out of 27). Considering all the great music having come from Germany, maybe that’s not a bad thing, as the ESC is a musical joke (and not funny, at that). And to top it off, Madonna (with an emphasis on MAD, i.e. crazy) showed up to stir the witches brew…
Indeed “Madonna” caused more than a little stir with her act, and her outfit which, untypically, showed almost nothing as it was covered with MK and Illuminati symbolism. Then, to add Satanic fuel to the fire, two of her man-slaves, erm, dancers, had flags on their backs (only in the performance, not in rehearsal, no-on knew) of “Palestine” and Israel.
And she is considered “Queen” of the music industry (at least by the elite). Her outfit had the one-eye “X” look on it, which is also discussed in the article below at vigilant citizen.
THIS is what the elite and the globalists celebrate and worship. And it is most certainly not of GOD. I think it’s time that more people are woke to this, as the moosehead outfits don’t seem to get their attention. These people are NOT NORMAL, indeed they’re of the Devil himself, and they must be turned, or else rendered powerless.
https://vigilantcitizen.com/musicbusiness/the-meaning-of-madonnas-madame-x-persona-and-the-video-medellin
And to think this is the stuff aimed at our children; an us, at the Superbolw halftimes and the various “Award” shows…
Madonna: A vile lizard who doesn’t want to age gracefully. Anything for attention.
they are sirens…luring people in with their music without revealing their true natures until you crash on the rocks…
“THIS is what the elite and the globalists celebrate and worship.”
It is literally their religion.
And here’s the outfit that Madonna wore. Wizardess (or Witch) of ODD:
Hard to say being that it is only a six second clip of something probably much longer. The only reason I went ahead and watched it was because the youtuber who provided the clip assured that it was not graphic. There is nothing graphic about the observable clip other than the very strange, inappropriate outfits and the bizarre setting. The anons are all over it trying to determine the location of this setting.
It was a very shocking video indeed.There is alot we will never know about Kappy I do know he said he was not suicidal, I really think the deep state had him Arkancided.
Looks like it’s getting quiet around here.
See y’all tomorrow!
Thank you for another stellar thread T*3!
Do rapists have rights?
There was a discussion a while back…about how fathers of the Unborn should have rights.
Namely, the right to say whether the mother should have an abortion.
While I agree with those who say “Yes, a father should have a say”…it made me think of the rapist ‘fathers’.
Does a rapist have the right to demand Joint Custody of the child that he sired by force?
Or…to even demand Sole Custody of the child?
I didn’t say anything about this back when the discussion about fathers’ rights was taking place…I just observed.
But now that our President has weighed in on the topic of Rape being an exception for abortions…I decided to bring this up.
We are seeing a lot of rapes happen by muslim men, who think that they have the ‘right’ to rape Western Women because those women are going outside uncovered.
Do these muslim rapists have the right to claim rights to the children they sire by brutal force?
Do they have the right to demand that those children be given to them so that the children can be raised as muslims?
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Personally, I’m thinking “No”…rapists do not have rights.
A rapist basically *steals* a woman’s genetic material and forces it to be combined with his own.
Rape is a brutal and evil act.
I do not think that the rapist has any rights whatsoever to the child.
I have heard a rape victim say that the man who brutally raped her was evil and twisted and that she didn’t want to bring his evil spawn into the world.
That is why she had an abortion.
She felt that God would forgive her…because she was doing the world a favor.
Wolf talked about the 8 weeks time period being sufficient to allow for rape victims to have an abortion…if they choose to have one.
There are cases, though, where the rape victim was injured so badly in the brutal attack…that she was in a coma for weeks, or required hospitalization for weeks afterward.
What if a rape victim in a situation like that, is pregnant from the rape?
In a case like that…she may not be physically able to have an abortion within the allotted 8 week time.
Tough questions. This is one reason I think the exception has persisted. The questions are a minefield!
A minefield, indeed….they truly are.
We’ve talked about how our enemies have “weaponized our compassion” to use against us.
They are also “weaponizing our faith” to use against us.
As you said…we should not let Perfect be the downfall of Good.
There is a reason why our President has been playing the song ‘You Can’t Always Get What You Want’, at his rallies.
😏😉
It is a very complicated issue… It is one that has a foot in religion and a foot in government.
Good point, Wheatie. Alarming to think a rapist would have rights to a child conceived via rape.
I recall a case where the rapist did, indeed, win custody rights some time ago. That is just wrong, pure and simple.
Rapists should be gelded, IMO.
Of course, such a provision in law would be the fastest way of ensuring that they kill their victims to remove the witness.
Their DNA bears witness that is more irrefutable than the victims.
…than the victims’ testimony.
Did a little search and found this from 2012:
“In the wake of Todd Akin’s comments about pregnancy rarely resulting from “legitimate rape,” lawyer Shauna Prewitt highlights a reality for women in that situation in a column on CNN: In a majority of states, attackers are afforded the same rights as other fathers.
Prewitt, herself a rape survivor who gave birth to a daughter as a result of her attack, explains that 31 states have no laws that bar rapists from seeking custody or visitation rights. For Prewitt that astounding fact is personal. Her rapist attempted to get custody of her daughter, “but thankfully I got lucky and his visitation rights were terminated,” she said, according to a profile of her by The Am Law Daily’s Brain Baxter. She added: “I’m not sure I would have made the decision I did had I known I might be tethered to my rapist for the rest of my life.”
In a paper published in the The Georgetown Law Journal in 2010 — when the number of states without such laws were even greater — Prewitt argued that the absence “stems from the images and other societal rhetoric that depict the prototypical raped woman as hating her unborn child and as viewing her rape pregnancy as continuing her rape trauma.” In her CNN piece, she blames it on “ignorance”: Some believe that women don’t raise children conceived from rape, others can’t fathom a rapist wanting parental rights.”
https://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2012/08/31-states-grant-rapists-custody-and-visitation-rights/324369/
This begs the question: if the rapist father is forced to pay child support, should he have access to the child? According to this judge, no:
“A Michigan judge on Tuesday stayed his order that had granted a convicted sex offender joint legal custody of a child born to a woman who says she was raped by the man when she was 12.
The woman’s attorney raised an objection late last month after the judge signed an order granting sole physical custody of the boy to the 21-year-old mother and joint legal custody to Christopher Mirasolo, 27, who was ordered to pay child support.”
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/michigan-judge-stays-order-granting-rapist-parental-rights-victim-s-n809621
And then you have those situations where it is questionable, at best, whether a rape actually occurred. We have someone on this board whose son is suffering right now from a false accusation and I had a co-worker whose son also spent years in prison over a false accusation – he is now 30 years old now and still struggling to get on with his life. When there is no proof or eye witness testimony, who is to say who is lying?
The first principal should always, how can possible abortion be avoided.
There are certain situations where this cannot be avoided, but these should be considered carefully on a CASE by CASE basis.
It should not only be: if it is rape so abortion should be allowed in general.
If the child can be saved through adoption it should always be one of the possible solutions.
so sick of the left trying to deny our history and rewrite it!
FTA:
Sodomite presidential candidate Pete Buttigieg was questioned about one of America’s founding fathers, Thomas Jefferson, and whether or not his name should be erased from certain events that are celebrated. Buttigieg responded, “It’s the right thing to do.”
Appearing on The Hugh Hewitt Show on Friday, the South Bend Mayor, who is at war with our Creator who gave us our rights, which Thomas Jefferson wrote about in the Declaration of Independence, said that renaming Jefferson-Jackson Dinners to remove Jefferson’s name simply because he had slaves.And yet, he did,” said Buttigieg. “Now, we are all morally conflicted human beings.”
No! Say it isn’t so Mr. “If you have a problem with me engaging in sodomy, you have a problem with my Creator”!
“It’s not like we’re blotting him our of the history books or deleting him from being the founding fathers,” he said in an attempt to not give away the store, but everyone knows exactly where all of this is going to erase American history.
“But, naming something after somebody confers a certain amount of honor,” he said. “The real reason I think there is a lot of pressure on this is the relationship between the past and present that we’re finding in a million different ways that racism isn’t some curiosity out of the past that we’re embarrassed about but moved on from. It’s alive, it’s well, it’s hurting people and it’s one of the main reasons to be in politics today is to try to change or reverse the harms that went along with that. We better find ways to live out and honor that principle.”Well, part of that is to remember the past. If we don’t learn from it, we tend to relive the same mistakes from those that did.
Obviously, Buttigieg could use some history lessons himself. I suggest maybe he and President Trump have an actual Bible study on Genesis 19 with a competent man of God teaching them and I’d suggest he honor that principle of not blaming God for his own depravity, but rather man up and repent in a manner he seems to want to pontificate on the way Thomas Jefferson should have regarding slavery.
However, the hypocrisy is absolutely astounding with this guy.
As Mac Slavo reported less than two weeks ago, Buttigieg was pushing for “voluntary” forced slavery in the US.
While complaining to MSNBC‘s Rachel Maddow about what he sees as the United State’s lack of “social cohesion,” Buttigieg called for one year of national service as a solution. That’s forced labor, or gulags, or slavery no matter how you decide to slice it up. The USSA seems a more appropriate acronym to use when democrats discuss ideas.
https://thewashingtonstandard.com/pete-buttigieg-remove-thomas-jeffersons-name-because-its-the-right-thing-to-do/
I am already quite sick and tired of Buttplug. I hope he washes out along the way kind of like Beto and we don’t have to hear about him anymore. What an annoying little man-boy.
Talkin bout “Alfred E. Neuman will never be President” Buttigieg?! Or shall we call him Alfred E. Buttigieg for short?
That was priceless. It’s almost worth having him in the public arena just to call him that!
This man, Beelzebubba Buttplug, will never be President now, THANK GOD. By choosing to “go soft on Jefferson” (COUGH), Buttplug is now a HAS-BEEN.
Our GENIUS President stood strong on his Charlottesville statue comments for a reason, and THIS IS WHY. Jefferson and WASHINGTON. Our VSG has long-term vision and COMMON SENSE.
In contrast, BRITISH SUBJECT BUBBA BUTTPLUG (the “Rhodes Scholar” / British MK victim) simply does not have any clue about AMERICA.
HE IS GONE. Trump was right. NO THREAT.
Fudge Packin Booty Judge from South Bend Over Indiana?
How far have we fallen?
Sodom and Gomorrah deserves an apology?
wow…a really, really long article linking antidepressant medications with violence…
FTA:
Researchers concluded that violence against others was a “genuine and serious adverse drug event” and that of the 484 medications, the drugs that were most consistently and strongly associated with violence were the smoking cessation medication, varenicline (Chantix), and SSRIs.
The list includes five SSRI antidepressants:
Fluoxetine: Prozac increased aggressive behavior 10.9 times
Paroxetine: Paxil increased violent behavior 10.3 times
Fluvoxamine: Luvox increased violent behavior 8.4 times
Venlafaxine: Effexor increased violent behavior 8.3 times
Desvenlafaxine: Pristiq increased violent behavior 7.9 times
In one 2001 case, Cory Baadsgaard, a 16-year-old who attended Wahluke High School in Washington, was first prescribed Paxil, which caused hallucinations, and then was switched to Effexor. He started at a 40 mg dosage that, over the course of three weeks, increased to 300 mg. On the first day of that high dose, he woke with a headache and returned to bed. He then got up, took a rifle to his high school, and held 23 classmates hostage.
Baadsgaard’s testimony claims he has no recollection of the event, or of his principal convincing him to put the gun down and release the hostages.
In 2002, the BBC aired the documentary Panorama, which focused on paroxetine. The producers received 1,374 emails from viewers, the majority of whom told stories of violence or self-harm while taking the medication, particularly when starting and when increasing the dosage.
What’s more, in 2009, after investigating the connection between SSRIs and violence, the Japanese Ministry of Health, Labor, and Welfare revised the label warnings on these drugs to read: “There are cases where we cannot rule out a causal relationship [of hostility, anxiety, and sudden acts of violence] with the medication.”
Yet after each mass shooting tragedy, the media fills with psychiatrists who say that the individual didn’t seek the help they needed and that with the proper treatment, the tragedy may have been prevented. But research doesn’t support that philosophy.
In fact, depression, in particular, doesn’t lead to violence, yet since the increase in SSRI antidepressants being widely prescribed, the rise in mass shootings has increased right along with it. And evidence shows that many mass shooters were either taking or had recently taken SSRIs.
https://gunsinthenews.com/prescription-for-violence-the-corresponding-rise-of-antidepressants-ssris-mass-shootings/
Aside from the increased aggression/violent behaviors, SSRI’s also keep an individual from feeling “anything.” It’s that lack of feeling which leads to indifference – one of the Columbine shooters (Harris and Keibold) was on significant SSRI (I think Luvox) and immediately that numbness came to mind. They feel nothing when carrying out violent acts.
in the article, they detail several cases of acts of violence where people didn’t even remember the acts or felt nothing at all…scary!
Antidepressants in general appear to facilitate the MK phenomenon of mental partitioning.
One way to explain this is DREAMING. Another way is SLEEPWALKING.
People sometimes remember their dreams. Most of the time, they don’t. Likewise, sleepwalkers typically don’t remember how they got to where they did, but they clearly were able to OPERATE CONSCIOUSLY to get there.
I believe that this has been studied far beyond what is generally known to the public. I know for a fact that all intelligence agencies have been intensely interested in pharmacological research, and remain so.
By getting these drugs into general use, it meant that millions of people were half-way to a state of induction into drugged hypnotic programming.
I believe that this has been known since the 1950’s, when early antidepressants were studied beginning with mental patients who were generally psychotic.
Those early antidepressants were CNS-depressing in general, meaning they typically induced SLEEP at useful dosages. People had to take them at night, so that after sleeping the antidepressant (meaning against the psychiatric symptoms of “depression”) effects would operate on the WAKENED mental state in the MORNING and during the next day. The substances were useful for treating almost all of the negative effects of “depression”, including nervousness and anxiety (which shows just how physiologically unfortunate the term “depression” actually is).
SSRIs became huge hits because they were CNS-stimulating and not CNS-depressing. They “woke people up” and kept people in a conscious state (good for people AT WORK), yet it would appear that SSRIs retain the mental partitioning capabilities of older antidepressants – particularly during initial administration and DOSAGE ELEVATION.
An excellent indication that these drugs are “suspicious” to those “in the know” is that only FOUR antidepressants are allowed for pilots and air traffic controllers, and even then, the medical context is tightly controlled in what (to me) looks like elimination of either or both openings for MK or spontaneous mental programming (“their own demons”) that is often ATTRIBUTED to MK:
https://web.archive.org/web/20170503112620/https://www.faa.gov/about/office_org/headquarters_offices/avs/offices/aam/ame/guide/app_process/exam_tech/item47/amd/antidepressants/
Note that the 4 ALLOWED drugs are ALL SSRIs. What they are eliminating are (1) the older MK-usable antidepressants, and (2) all other SSRIs, which one will note are the exact same ones often named in the context of school shootings.
In my MAGA opinion, if we told schools that they could only allow mainstreaming (low security) of kids who were on antidepressants approved for PILOTS and AIR TRAFFIC CONTROLLERS, we could largely eliminate the school shooter problem. ALL students on other drugs would need to be in a high-security environment – NOT mainstreamed.
Also…… Hypnotism.
I have a friend that was hypnotised years ago……
It was supposedly all in fun?
He was to get the biggest ASS BURN when he heard or thought about…
Johnny Cash’s song “Burnin’ ring of fire”.
To this day, that song’s mention causes him ASS BURN.
Fascinating.
I sincerely hope that MK is broken wide open as part of the Great Awakening. The world deserves to know the truth about what was done to it.
And add in hours of playing first-person-shooter video games…and you have ticking time bomb.
And all a part of the Communists’ long-term plan!!!!!
AMEN!!!
It is all laid out quite clearly in the Communist Playbook. How anyone can ignore that alone is beyond me!!!
Programming and self-programming. TRAINING.
As of April 2018:
“The following information is the most accurate and documented data available on psychiatric drug usage in the United States. The information is from IQVia (formerly IMS Health), a company that provides information, services and technology for the healthcare industry. It is the largest vendor of U.S. physician prescribing data. The following data was taken from the IQVia Total Patient Tracker Database for Year 2017, extracted April 2018. To see drug regulatory agency warnings, studies and documented side effects of the psychiatric drugs prescribed to children, click hyperlinks below in blue (i.e., ADHD Drugs, Antidepressants, Antipsychotics, etc).
Drug Class: Age Group: Number of People:
All Psychiatric 0-5 Years 622,723
Drugs
Breakdown:
0-1 Years 125,361
2-3 Years 202,319
4-5 Years 306,079
6-12 Years 3,259,955
13-17 Years 3,419,633
Grand Total 0-17 Years 7,213,599 kids on psychiatric drugs
ADHD Drugs 0-5 Years 80,235
Breakdown:
0-1 Years 328
2-3 Years 1,919
4-5 Years 77,396
6-12 Years 2,119,343
13-17 Years 1,524,381
Grand Total 0-17 Years 3,655,472 kids on ADHD Drugs
Antidepressants 0-5 Years 38,534
Breakdown:
0-1 Years 6,687
2-3 Years 10,957
4-5 Years 21,299
6-12 Years 574,090
13-17 Years 1,503,185
Grand Total 0-17 Years 2,100,315 kids on antidepressants
Antipsychotics 0-5 Years 85,143
Breakdown:
0-1 Years 3,913
2-3 Years 27,001
4-5 Years 53,750
6-12 Years 467,500
13-17 Years 646,215
Grand Total 0-17 Years 1,194,805 kids on antipsychotics
Anti-anxiety 0-5 Years 389,558
Breakdown:
0-1 Years 102,960
2-3 Years 148,894
4-5 Years 143,692
6-12 Years 484,612
3-17 Years 577,259
Grand Total 0-17 Years 1,445,509 kids on anti-anxiety drugs
https://www.cchrint.org/psychiatric-drugs/children-on-psychiatric-drugs/
From 2013:
“The number of children taking powerful antipsychotic drugs has nearly tripled over the last 10 to 15 years, according to recent research. The increase comes not because of an epidemic of schizophrenia or other forms of serious mental illness in children, but because doctors are increasingly prescribing the drugs to treat behavior problems, a use not approved by the Food and Drug Administration (FDA). And a disproportionate number of those prescriptions are written for poor and minority children, some as young as age 2.”
https://www.consumerreports.org/cro/2013/12/are-too-many-kids-taking-antipsychotic-drugs/index.htm
That is an insanely high dose of Effexor. The maximum dose for an ADULT is 225mg daily. And it’s linked with crazy emotional outbursts at that dose in many people.
looking for crowd size–Biden’s campaign estimated 6,000…the reporter estimates less than that…lol
FTA:
A short time later, Biden and his aviator sunglasses bounced onto the stage to Elton John’s “Philadelphia Freedom,” knowing he had a message that this particular crowd wanted to hear. “I believe Democrats want to unify this nation,” he said, nearly washed out in sunshine. “That’s what we’ve always been about. Unity.”
But if you listened more closely to Biden, you could hear the contradictions that may grow louder in the coming months. If the goal of the campaign is national unity, how come the biggest applause lines were his harshest put-downs of Trump, like when he said the booming U.S, economy “was something he inherited … just like everything else in his life”? And if Biden knows how to cross the aisle and work with the GOP to get things done, then why did he also boast his biggest achievement with Obama was passing the Affordable Care Act — “without any Republican votes!”
Wait, what?
https://www.philly.com/opinion/joe-biden-president-2020-philadelphia-rally-who-attended-20190518.html
“Biden’s campaign estimated 6,000”
Yeah…I’m guessing that they added an Obama (a zero) to the end of that number.
Truly awe inspiring! /sarc
i was looking all over trying to see what the “estimated number” was gonna be–cuz PA, my home state, is also Joe’s…and I wanna compare it to POTUS’s rally tomorrow night…
Hmmm. Washed-out.
That says it all…
Philadelpha freakdom, joltin’ Joe “Hands” Biden…
the more you know…
FTA:
Biden is an unethical bully. I watched him on C-Span as he interrogated Lt. Kayne Robinson during a Senate committee hearing on “cop killer bullets”. The hearing took place on March 7th, 1984. Kayne was unflappable. Biden gave him a compliment by saying he could make it in politics. It was months later that I heard the rest of the story.
I was at the NRA annual meeting in Milwaukee in May 1984. Lt. Kayne Robinson was giving a small session talk. Seating was limited to about 60 people, as I recall. I saw an attractive woman in the front row by herself and suspected that she had a connection to Lt. Robinson.
I struck up a conversation and found that she was his wife. I told her to compliment him on his Senate Committee testimony, and she said that I did not know the half of it. After Lt. Robinson had testified, Biden had a staffer call Robinson’s police department to apply pressure to try to get Robinson fired.The ban was never about protecting police officers. No officer was ever killed by an “armor piercing pistol bullet” being shot through an armor resistant vest. It was a made up controversy to create the precedent the government could regulate the type of ammunition used by the citizenry.
https://www.ammoland.com/2019/05/joe-biden-is-corrupt-1984-lt-kayne-robinson-and-abuse-of-power/?utm_source=Ammoland+Subscribers&utm_campaign=6f7c98c1fb-RSS_EMAIL_CAMPAIGN&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_6f6fac3eaa-6f7c98c1fb-21782955#axzz5oDrFSxJ7
Note to Wolf… this morning I was on twitter and I saw live tweets from Mr. Crossthread. I hope you don’t mind if I mentioned Qtree to him… he tweeted this, and I thought it was pretty cool.
https://twitter.com/Crossthread8D/status/1130058447922319360
Crossthread! Please give him our love, Amwick.
Hope you are still having lots of fun, good seafood and rest on your vacation!
We are home now in GA.. Drove down to Lakeland FL to see my step son’s new townhouse… and where he works…. Long drive for just a two day visit… It was fun though,,,,
You packed a lot into those two days!
Ahh, yes, the Sunday morning worship in the church of politics.
Seriously, they can’t do this any other time of the week?
Sunday morning. Like it’s supposed to be a religious experience.
Sorry, can’t watch. Gotta walk the dog and get ready for Church. A REAL Church.
Commies in church with Bishop Stephanopoulos!
He and Chris Wallace wish.
After watching Steffi during the Clinton administration, I wonder how ANYONE can possibly take him seriously as a news guy! He is such a total joke!
Fake News. We let THEM be the ones who decided their own worth.
Fake Entertainment. We let THEM award THEMSELVES on their performance.
Fake Science. We let THEM control THEMSELVES, until neither WE nor THEY controlled themselves.
Fake. It was all FAKE.
Fake consumer protection.
Fake medical practice oversight.
Fake pharma regulation. Fake pharma results.
Fake church leadership.
Fake scientific methods.
Fake peer review.
Fake Fake Fake
Fake peer review really gets my goat.
WHO controls WHO controls WHO reviews is WHO controls the SCIENCE.
Everybody thought that the LEFTISTS who took over science orgs were not going to affect the science itself – just the glad-handing of the press.
WRONG!
Yesterday, in my excitement to assemble my work bench, I put two of the drawers together kinda backwards… glue and all. We had to take off the slider tracks and reverse them.. but it all worked out. Almost. The next project will be moving it from the cabin, to the little garage…
Funny thing last night, my back was all kinds of sore…hmmmmmmmmmmmmm
Somewhere I have a cartoon of an Indian carving a canoe from a log. He pauses, and looks back to see the other half, carved upside-down…
some morning funnies
https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2019/05/the-week-in-pictures-train-wreck-edition.php
Thanks for reminding me, I have this site bookmarked but often forget to pull it up. Bout spit out my coffee on this one 🤣😆
yeah, some good ones this week!
my fav… and it’s NOT funny…
What do you wanna bet that all of those gropey/sniffy Joe Biden compilation videos that were so ubiquitous on youtube for the past several years mysteriously start to disappear one by one over the coming days and weeks.
I predict that by the end of the month you’ll be hard-pressed to find a single one that has survived.
Let’s hope Brad Parscale had one of his keyboard wizards scoop those up and save them!
The UK and Canada have behaved despicably against free speech and thought in the last several years on behalf of Islamists.
I’d call this persecution by both the moslems and the government.
https://twitter.com/KTHopkins/status/1129990259360636929
MOST Christian persecution and deadly atrocity today are committed by Islamists.
Graph – attacks by ideology –
There has been an average of 5-6 documented deadly Islamic terrorist attacks since 9/11/01
Only abortion kills more human beings which is committed by liberal leftists.
Communist China, NK and South Africa are not far behind.
Does it happen here? Remember how police in Charlottesville herded the protestors into an ambush by the Antifa thugs?
Virginia has a lot to answer for electing such disgusting leadership – Governor, Lt. Governor, Senator, local officials…
Edit: Only abortion, committed by communists and liberal leftists around the world, kills more human beings than Islamists.
Very interesting that Russia, once a leader in abortions, has reversed that policy, and is bribing citizens to have families. However, Russia has damaged its soul and many citizens are devoid of parenting skills and humane tender life-loving hearts. Same in the US – here in the US, child abuse has risen over 600% since Roe v Wade.
The Islamists perpetuate this, as well (hand-in-glove with the Communists) with their treatment of their women and children as just so much livestock. Life is very cheap to them – as BiBi has said – there will never be peace until they value life over death.
Amen!
Those arent police over there. No honor, no loyalty, no integrity. They are as much thugs as the muzzies.
Amen, Gil!
In the UK – no hymns made it into the top 10 choices for funeral music. That’s how lost the UK is these days and how ineffective, apostate, syncretistic and heretical is the UK church.
https://www.mercatornet.com/above/view/hellish-hymns/22432
Sadly, that’s been true for about 20 years now.
Parscale reports that PDJT’s approval numbers are going up with rustbelt Dems and swing voters.
I was unaware of this hearing with constitutional experts–would have been interesting to watch…
FTA:
Democrats had called for Mueller to appear before them on Wednesday. Mueller did not show, despite Barr showing a willingness to have him testify. Instead, the committee called for a hearing with constitutional experts to discuss the executive privilege claims raised by the White House. I was one of those experts, and the hearing did not exactly turn out as the Democrats planned. They have insisted that President Trump had already waived privilege to undisclosed evidence shown to Mueller. The committee witnesses, however, agreed that there is no such waiver.
Worse, the witnesses agreed that Barr could not release the “full and unredacted report” to Congress including any grand jury, or Rule 6(e), evidence. That is in direct contradiction to weeks of demands for the unredacted report along with a subpoena that demanded disclosure of the entire report. The committee maintained that “neither Rule 6(e) nor any applicable privilege barred disclosure of these materials to Congress.” Yet, the expert witnesses it called on have now testified that is not true.
https://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/444382-democrats-are-running-out-of-stunts-to-pull-from-impeachment-playbook?amp
Simeone gonna get cantored!!!
We all know about his families ties to China… a tool company that they own… Never Trumper,,, grrrrr
Oh yes, the guy who owns a tool company where is “made in USA” tools are in fact MADE IN CHINA….yes, we absolutely should be listening to him. /sarc/
Oh yeah, baby!
The 14 yr old girl Soph who has made the controversial bitchute videos is being threatened by the press, students, and school admin. She should contact Robert Barnes.
https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/bqgbzf/imagine_your_principal_coordinating_a_bullying/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share
Leftists and their uncontrollable hatred are primed to provide a path to riches for savvy young patriots. Kinda wish my kids were still teenagers
more “toxic masculinity” at work…feel good story!
FTA:
“I had no idea this was going to happen to me,” Bokstrom said in a statement. “I had faith and believed that God knew my struggles, but I never expected this. Receiving a car has changed my world. And Logan is now getting the help he deserves. I’m so grateful. Burly Man Coffee has changed our lives for the better.”
A news release explains that Burly Man Coffee’s goal is to donate 100 cars to single mothers as a way to fight the “dangerous agenda to shame American men with a message on ‘toxic masculinity.’”
“There are single moms barely staying afloat because some men have abandoned ship. Burly Man Coffee has stepped up to fill in the gap and provide relief by meeting their most critical needs,” Tiana Wiles said. “This is an opportunity to demonstrate what real men do: they take care of those in need. If we can change the life of a mother and her child for the better, then we are doing something right.”
Jeremy Wiles assured that not all men are “barbaric, sexist, misogynistic, racist monsters.”
“We associated the term being ‘Burly’ with being a man who is brave, kind, generous, and patriotic. Our brand represents every hard-working American whose virtues have more value than the toxic agenda being shoved in their faces,” Wiles stressed.
https://www.christianpost.com/news/christian-coffee-company-donate-100-cars-struggling-single-moms.html
the pictures with the article show some amazing workmanship imo
FTA:
Hundreds of feet below the surface of the earth, hundreds of years ago, the Knights Templar—a Catholic military organization founded in the 12th century that went on crusades across Europe—built expansive tunnels to help their soldiers get around undetected in the Middle East.
The secrets of their networks are still being uncovered, even to this day. While their castles have been used for generations, some of the tunnels they carved out underground are still left to be discovered down the line. Take, for example, the Knights Templar tunnels discovered under the modern-day Israeli city of Acre.
https://www.theepochtimes.com/amazing-knights-templar-tunnels-under-israeli-city-unearthed-after-700-years_2828656.html
Wow…those were some men who knew their crafts..Amazing. Thanks Pat. :0)
Alpparently his retinas didnt develop. He will see with his heart then wont he?
https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/bqhjr0/my_little_dude_was_born_7_weeks_ago_with_eye/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share
Oh what a beautiful baby. Prayers for all of God’s children.
Is Amash taqiyya at work?
https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/bqhcpw/exposed_in_2013_loser_justin_amash_dined_with/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share
..
http://www.wbdaily.com/wp-content/uploads/Norquist_Amash-e1476399021241.jpg
2nd try.
http://www.wbdaily.com/wp-content/uploads/Norquist_Amash-e1476399021241.jpg
Lots of detail.
http://www.wbdaily.com/conservative-movement/anti-trump-republican-elected-officials-are-tools-for-muslim-brotherhood/
wow hard to choose who to go first…too many smug, sanctimonious sobs to choose from!
who’s your favorite to go first phoenix?
Brennan …
and he may have tempted the Fates by his recent action
https://twitter.com/kbq225/status/1130005304115159040
THREAD, mostly comments… if you’re interested, click tweet
Eh?? The only guy to have his security clearance revoked is the one briefing them??
I’m with ya Phoenix! 1. Brennan 1a. Comey. Either order actually!
WELLLLLLLL……
Put it this way. The DEMS can’t invite Iran’s main backers PUTIN and XI without giving up the game.
I say go by height.. tallest to smallest…. yup… that works..
I’d be happy with any one of them, but if I were picking, I’d start with Brennan or Sally Q. Yates. Everyone votes for Brennan. Yates has a level of self-righteous sanctimonious pride that even Comey can’t match.
First round, all except hussein, hildabeast, holder and slick willy. ALL solitary confinement.
As the rats sing, many in unison…let the cards fall where they may…
Ultimately, holder will sing. Don’t think he is a tough guy. More likely a Gumby at heart.
When hildabeast goes down, she’ll drag along slick willy and hussein.
About the winning filly’s name, Covfefe – it ain’t Arabic after all, but Yiddish!
“A few people have asked me about President’s Trump’s tweet in which he used the word “covfefe.” Most people think he meant to write “coverage” and they have had quite a bit of fun with it, but actually it is a real word of Yiddish origin, meaning “a futile search” or “a pointless and false quest.” It was originally transliterated from the Hebrew as “kabfefe,” whose etymology is “kab”—relating to the mystical Qabalah—and “fefe,” which is a word for “butterfly.” What Trump was actually saying in Yiddish tweet-speak was, “We are doing great things despite the press’s negative and pointless search, aka fake news.”
For those who are interested, the idea of “covfefe” comes from an old Yiddish tale about a foolish Sephardi rabbi who believed he was called to find and destroy the mythical and rare butterfly known as Benshariza, or “Lucifer butterfly”—a name that comes from “Helel ben Shahar,” meaning “shining star” (see Isaiah 14:12; also see Ephesians 2:2, where Satan is called the “prince of the power of the air”). The rabbi claimed that the Benshariza was recognizable by a unique and disturbing pattern on its huge wings, which looked like the moon and star symbol of the god Ba’al-Hadad. He was convinced that this ominous creature housed “the spirit of Satan” and that if he could destroy it, he would free the world of evil.”
Note, Islam uses the Ba’al moon and star symbol and its adherents behave like Ba’al worshippers (rapists, polygamists, misogynists, pedophiles, slavers)
Ridding the world of evil is futile for a man or group – that is something only GOD can do. (see Isaiah 30:15-31:9).
Obeying GOD’s Word/Law/Commandments, and being constantly watchful of our own hearts (Proverbs 4:19-21) will certainly help.
Oops – forgot the link. The word, covfefe is not Arabic, but Antidiluvian Hebrew/Yiddish.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/covfefe-arabic-antediluvian/
Then again…..found this further down the thread below the portion you posted:
“Isaac L. Bleaman, a PhD candidate and Yiddish scholar at New York University’s Linguistics Department added:
It is obviously a typo for “coverage.”
I see no clear (or even unclear) connection to Yiddish. As for the legend cited, if you Google the string “kabfefe” there are only 45 results and all are either typos, or related to the covfefe incident. Nothing found in Google Books. So chances are it was made up.
The only Yiddish word “covfefe” brings to mind is kopveytik ‘headache,’ but that would not make sense in the context of the tweet, and it is not an especially common borrowing into Jewish English. So Trump probably has never heard the word, and certainly wouldn’t use it in his English.
We know from Trump’s use of “schlonged” in 2015 (a verb that he took from the Jewish English word for ‘penis’ that ultimately derives from the Yiddish noun shlang ‘snake’) that his use of Yiddish borrowings can be rather idiosyncratic. But I don’t think this is one of those Yiddishisms.
I’d sooner look for a Russian connection.”
Oh well. Thanks for digging deeper. Maybe our PDJT got it from a traditional colloquialism used by the Kushner family.
Could be but, you know what? It doesn’t really even matter! It created yet another movement! I don’t believe for a second it was an accident, either. Brilliant marketing mind there!
Ding, Ding… we have a winnah !!!!!!
That’s why we call him VSG, right Nebraska Filley ?
Bingo! What a master!!!!
The Miss Preakness filly race winner was Covfefe! She won by Secretariat lengths and set a track record!
I watched the Preakness yesterday and was rooting for the riderless horse to win…laughing as he circled the track what, twice? before they caught him.
let’s see, we had the disqualification in the Kentucky Derby, a riderless horse in the Preakness, what the heck is gonna happen during the Belmont?
thanks for the meaning behind covfefe tho!
It’s been quite a year in racing.
There were no irregularities in the Preakness filly race, however…and our little filly, Covfefe was a winner of Secretariat proportions, setting a track record!
It would be a triple blessing if she was a Nebraska Filly!
Wouldn’t THAT be grand??!!?? And she was hand-ridden, no whip needed! Reminded me of Ruffian!!!!
Personally, I was rooting for the Maryland-bred with the woman school-teacher trainer.
That horse looked like he was having fun, and I was rooting for him, too. I saw one clip where a rider was sent onto the track to corral him, but he ran back toward the rest of the field and the rider had to pull back to keep from interfering with the race. I wonder what would have happened if he had won.
Fefe = 🦋🦋🦋😍😍😍🦋🦋🦋☺️☺️☺️
Re-posting this from yesterday’s daily thread because it’s important to know – imho
Here’s link to Article Dave refers to in video
The Hammer
http://theamericanreport.org/2019/05/12/comey-launched-trump-russia-investigation-day-after-general-exposed-the-hammer/
THIS. IS. BIG!
Going back to February 2013….
The only thing about this that I have wondered all along is who would be dumb enough to tell Mad Max about the Hammer? SMH.
That’s exactly what I said in another comment here. Mad Max has no idea when to keep her mouth shut.
IKR? perplexing how she found out, but it sure sounds like she found out somehow!
This also came up this morning in relation to it all.
https://youtu.be/zeRWWNhRNwA
Thanks for the posts D.P.,
We’ll probably never know the full extent of the damage to our Republic and to humanity in general that eight years of zero as president and four years of debeast as SoS created (and is still creating).
Watergate = an ant hill
FISA abuse = Mountain
Operation HAMR = The whole mountain range.
Is this the first thing we’ve seen definitively linking the separate tracks?
What that the operation started in the first Obama administration, it was run somehow by Brennan and Clapper, and the info was then passed onto the FBI? Probably.
BUT, there’s still some dates in there that make the head go, umm……
James Clapper, ODNI, 2010- Jan 2017
John Brennan, CIA Director, Aug 2013-Jan 2017
James Comey FBI Director July 2013 – May 2017
Mad Max’s interview happened before two of the trio were in the overhead position. Previous to that Brennan was Homeland Security Advisor, and Comey was working in the private sector even if it was Lockheed.
Conclusion: there’s more people who were involved in setting it up. Look for these names to surface in relation to the project:
Dennis Blair, ODNI 2009-2010
David Gompert, ODNI just prior to Clapper
Leon Panette, CIA,
Mike Morell, CIA
David Patraeus, CIA
Hayden also, maybe. None of them may come up, but they were also agency heads in the Obama years. As well as, of course, Bob Mueller.
People are going to eventually understand the larger strains of history into which this stuff fits, and that is when they will make LEAPS and BOUNDS in understanding the NEAR-CAPITULATION of our FECKLESS DC LEADERSHIP to international socialism, the only concession from which was to EASE THE PAIN by letting us FALL ASLEEP, rather than making us BITE THE PILLOW and THEN WATCH THE JACKBOOTS ARRIVE.
Watching the TIMINGS OF THEIR REACTIONS is one of the surest ways to know that you’ve actually found something that scares them. THAT is why I have NO DOUBT that Dave Janda is correct on this. Numerous times, I have FINALLY encountered sudden attacks of an obvious nature when I SEE and ANNOUNCE ONLINE some kind of revelation that SCARES THE COUP.
MY CONTENTION:
Discovery of any kind of historical link that GROWS THE SCANDAL BACK IN TIME will TRIGGER ACTION for a larger move to regain control of the American People.
THEY SMIRK WHEN YOU COMPARE IT TO WATERGATE.
THEY REACT WHEN YOU CONNECT IT TO WATERGATE.
I just put another thought into print on this thread. Somehow, I can’t help but think Valerie Jarrett is in the background on the Hammer. The database itself goes back to the first Obama Administration. Remember all the chiefs of staff she ran out?
Yeah, Watergate was nothing in comparison, but when Barr said that the operations were handled by the officers, not the rank and file, the concept that the fewer people who know about something the less likely it is to come out comes into play. Which begs the question why anyone would tell Maxine Waters who is too dumb to know when to keep her mouth shut.
While watching the rats react as bomb fuses are lit is fun, the reality is keeping dates straight in order to pin the right name on the crime is important. That’s why I bring this up.
First the Maxine question. I believe she picked it up by “telephone” from some other black communist who knew another who knew another who got the word from somebody who actually understood what Obama and his closest communist cadres (Jarrett, Axelrod, others unknown) had through Brennan and foreign allies.
I do not believe Mad Max was authorized to know about that. Somebody ELSE made a mistake letting that information go. Eventually it got to “Stupid”.
Now – as to the surveillance abuses – it’s going to go much earlier. Jarrett has been with them as long as Obama has been with them.
From the UBL affair, we know that Valerie Jarrett – core commie and IRAN WONK (very important), had – among her many hats – TWO in specific. They are both related.
ONE is the one you mention – COMMUNIST COUNTERINTELLIGENCE. She was responsible for identifying and then eliminating all “patriots”. What she did was classic CI, as if she was WORKING FOR MOSCOW.
TWO was acting as a saboteur / blockade of anything that was obviously logical but contrary to their plan. Many things Obama could not legitimately oppose. Valerie Jarrett, in contrast, could be “unreasonable” as a way of stiff-arming things that needed to be done, but they didn’t WANT to be done.
Now – HERE is the story on the dates. The most important dates, in my opinion, were 2006, 2007, and 2008.
ALL SIDES were fighting for control of surveillance data which SPIKED in 2001, according to the communist plan behind 9/11, BUT was also potentially used AGAINST THEM if they were not careful. This is the KEY to understand. It is, in some ways, the SOURCE of the UniParty idea and its downfall. Not only a uniparty of Republicans and Democrats, but also a uniparty of SOLDIERS and SPOOKS. It is the gradual, sneaky cooptation of that uniparty by the LEFT and FOREIGN FORCES that leaves us where we are now.
The NSA was not fully under control, and figured out that it was being dragged into the spider’s hole.
The HOUSE flipped in 2006, and this allowed the Democrats to help set up the economy to elect Obama in 2008. It also allowed them to perform final subversions at DOJ that helped Holder hit the ground running in 2009 with corporate shakedowns and final takeover of the media using DOJ leverage. The economic debacle of 2007-2008 also FED the careers of players like Weissmann, as recorded for posterity and eventual justice by Sidney Powell.
BRENNAN – who was a PLAYER for the plot in 2001 – fits into this through Montgomery and their clandestine, off-the-books, contractor intelligence operations in that same pre-2008 time period, which gave CIA contractors and KGB-CIA elements access to NSA-type deep data with no mechanisms to guarantee that it was handled responsibly.
THIS IS THE SOURCE OF THE COUP’S LEVERAGE. It will (IMO) affect the validity of the 2008 election. THIS is why public discussion of Montgomery is so dangerous to the Comey-Brennan-Obama axis.
NOW – to fit all of this into context, one needs to realize that there has been an intense FIGHT over surveillance between “patriots” (real ones) and the crypto-socialist axis. The UniParty is actually somewhat brittle at the place where it gets its power.
Ask WHY these three people:
Mueller
Comey
Wray
…just happen to be the THREE PEOPLE who were involved with the famous “Ashcroft incident” in MARCH 2004…
https://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-pol-mueller-comey-ashcroft-domestic-surveillance-20170517-story.html
Christopher Wray has a great quote at the time in the story.
But there was another Justice Department official who offered to resign alongside Comey and Mueller. As those two were drafting resignation letters, Christopher Wray, then the assistant attorney general in charge of the Justice Department’s criminal division, pulled Comey aside in a hallway at the agency’s headquarters and told him, “Look, I don’t know what’s going on, but before you guys all pull the ripcords, please give me a heads‑up so I can jump with you,” according to The Threat Matrix, a 2011 book about Mueller’s FBI.
https://www.newsweek.com/christopher-wray-fbi-director-nominee-hearing-comey-mueller-635224
Wray has undoubtedly seen enough to realize who was fighting and what they were fighting over – the POWER of INFORMATION and the CONTROLS of who is subject to investigation.
I personally think Wray has done a great job. I also think we may be seeing him “off the leash” at the time of POTUS’ choosing. HOWEVER, just as it was RIGHT and SMART to replace Sessions with Barr, it may be right and smart to put a LAWMAN in Wray’s office. However, that time may not be yet. There is much kabuki right now. Much we do not know. So I just call it AS I SEE IT on Wray.
None of this started during Obama. Personally, I believe that the points of greatest “start” were the CARTER and CLINTON administrations.
9/11/2001 and the preparations DURING the Clinton administration are critical, IMO.
Brennan rode along with Obama. To see THAT part of the story, track Montgomery and all the things Brennan did BEFORE the 2008 election.
Okay, I can fit a lot of that in. I still think there’s an aspect of revenge to all of it that is driving some of the players.
BTW, John Ashcroft. He was our state AG and Governor before running for Senate. Sometimes we all questioned what he did, but the man is honest to a fault, and I doubt blackmailable. It’s just not him. He is not Kit Bond who was blackmailable. Just throwing that out there that he was in the hospital when the infamous Oval Office meeting happened. He wasn’t there to back his guys.
There’s so many twists and turns, it does make your head hurt.
My read on that incident is that Comey and Mueller (remember – they helped set up 9/11 by misleading investigations) were very concerned that over-reaction to 9/11 by the RIGHT PEOPLE (especially patriots in NSA) looking at the right things (why things were missed, who missed them) and the right people (who did or didn’t do what when) would put it all together.
COMEY (who let off Cankles multiple times – REMEMBER) likely had aides WATCHING Ashcroft to make sure that the 9/11 surveillance “problems” for the left were shut down a.s.a.p.
It is a small group, as you say. Only a very small group have full knowledge of what was allowed, WHY it was allowed, and what was SUPPOSED to happen at all points.
The rest of the brainpower on these plans is overseas.
I have a different take on a lot of it. I’ll wait to see how it shakes out, though. Yes, 9-11 was pivotal, but I think there’s more to it, and I’m not so sure who was compromised when. I honestly think threats to family were involved,
A few more names for the mix in the Organizing for Action move from their Wikipedia page (Jim Messina and David Axelrod?):
The formation of Organizing for America was announced by then-President-Elect Obama on January 17, 2009.[4]
The group officially began operations on the third day of the Obama administration, January 23, 2009. On the same day, it was announced that Mitch Stewart would serve as the first Director. Jeremy Bird, a former Obama for America field operative, was named Deputy Director.[5]
In mid January 2013 the organization was transformed into a nonprofit group Organizing for Action. The president’s 2012 campaign manager, Jim Messina, was announced as the group’s national chairman, and White House official Jon Carson will leave the administration and become the executive director. Campaign senior adviser David Axelrod will serve as a consultant.
Axelcommie. Oh, wow – THAT one is all tied into the whole giant plot at a very deep level.
Wolf the discussion on this thread really needs more eyes-on attention… maybe a full post…
(Not that I’m one to talk – since I’m totally over-committed on my time right now!)
It will happen organically at some point. Just wait for a HUGE PIECE to drop into place during the next few weeks – I’m sure it will happen. People will all go WTH, and we can drop it into the larger VLWC stuff.
I believe the Dark State goes back many years before Obama – otherwise they would not have been able to get him elected. Not as a senator nor as president.
Obama’s election was years in the making…
Yes, I agree the deep, dark state has been in place for decades at least, but the Hammer was not. That was new under Obama, and it was done in the first term.
DP is on the trail! Good work! This is good to know and important to reference going forward.
Thank you. I may have to start keeping a timeline as a lot of this surfaces. The trio of heads are being kept in the headlines for some reason. It’s like a feeding frenzy. When that happens, there’s always another angle or two that’s being kept in the dark on purpose.
Good idea about the timeline. I was thinking the same thing.
Somewhere near the beginning of that time line should be Hillary and her supposed FBI files used for black mail.
The other thing that occurred to me while I was out just now….
I doubt the whistleblower who took the info to Comey was the only one who knew and took info somewhere. There were A LOT of White House chiefs of staff and other personnel who were Dems, but not really team Obama. Valerie Jarrett ran them all out. She could be a name that surfaces as she said that the people against them would pay.
Seriously, keeping the dates straight of who was in what office when is going to be a full time job.
It is the first I have seen, but that doesn’t mean much 🙂
Thanks pR, I finally sat down to watch the video. It was really good. It brought together bits and pieces of stuff I’ve heard about before but in a well ordered way so that it made sense. I really appreciate it.
Is Dennis Montgomery the whistleblower that Victoria Toensing is representing? Probably not…seems like the one she has for a client is involved with Uranium One, maybe…and Montgomery was represented at least originally by Larry Klayman, I think.
It would be terrific if the truth about the Hammer did come out.
Soph’s back in the news over at GWP. Seems she’s being harassed at school now.
(I mistakenly posted this on Fleps news page late last night. Thought I was on today’s open.)
Oh my goodness too… she lives in the Bay area. No wonder why she swears so much having to deal with living in the epicenter of decadence and bastion of insanity.
Story here: https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2019/05/buzzfeed-attacks-14-yr-old-conservative-youtube-star-now-shes-getting-threats-and-spit-on-at-school/
banned vid here:
https://vimeo.com/336238062
And because that seems to only have her banned vid, this would be her youtube channel where reside her unbanned and equally provocative vids. All quite good. So if you’ve seen the above vid, by all means watch one from her channel. You won’t be disappointed.
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCT7BLBDnD-wEXeqZSg24aJw
Bakocarl’s poem:
Big Fur Hat at I Own The World Report put upan excerpt from Bakocarl’s poem up, as a lead in to a thread to other original poems. Yea.
https://iotwreport.com/a-poem/
We have lots of lurkers. TY people!
There are some awesome responses, too!!!
Roses are red,
violets are blue,
Touch our freedom,
And we have bullets for you.
OK, PATRICK HENRY!!! OK!!!
LOL. There are some funny, crusty old smartarses there most of the time, but when it comes to really serious issues, the brilliance manifests.
H/T Full Spectrum Domino
he’s another of these career politicians who cannot name anything of merit they accomplished while in office…
Accomplishments…
1. He convinced Jill to marry him.
2. (still thinking… gimme a minute willya?)
Clogs like Biden is why the swamp is so difficult to drain.
On the bright side… most of the time sht floats. so it should be easy to scoop up….
How is that for optimism??
It floats for awhile, eventually sinks and is thickened by subsequent layering……………..necessitating forceful removal.
Liquid Plumber for Hair works Fantabulously!! 👏👏
CLOG BE GONE!!!😎🤩😎
How is that for optimism?? ~ amwick
‘Mary Sunshine’ level ?
Seriously… he’s been in office as long as my daughter’s been on this planet, and she’s a grandmother… for the second time ! Folks don’t even hold a job that long. (Well, QE 2 maybe… but she too could be a clone for all we know 😉 )
He’s apparently still part of the Shadow Gov’t we didn’t know we have (wonder if he was in the loop wrt “The Hammer” (HAMR) ? Nah, he’s a loose cannon when it comes to info…
His biggest accomplishment? The MIC is his “buddy.”
Biden created gun-free zones in schools, before the shootings started. He also introduced the Clinton crime bill. BOTH OF WHICH Trump had to UNDO.
Just sayin’. Those USED TO BE “accomplishments”.
“Right Wing Extremism”
_______________
Oh… well, in that case, I’m all for it 😁
What has this guy done that he wants the president be removed so desperately????
Does he have something to hide?
Is he afraid that he also may be caught and convicted in some of the Deep State crimes?
He’s ambitious, thinks if Pence becomes president… he, Romney could become VP and … rinse, repeat, viola… he becomes (don’t even think it !!!!!!!!!!!!!!)……..
Et tu Brute ?
I have posited that Romney was blackmailed to throw the race to Obama–remember how he caved in the debate…
Whatever that iinfo is on him –HE DESPARATELY WANTS TO KEEP HIDDEN. “Some people will not be able to walk the streets again”–
I don’t know that he was blackmailed to throw 2012, but something definitely went on behind the scenes. And now he’s playing NoName’s part in the play.
It’s getting interesting.
My feelings about Romney are what my cat, Tiger Lily used to do when we presented her majesty food she didn’t like. She would turn her back and scratch her paws like she was burying excrement.
He’s really of less worth than sh-t – he’s useless – at least manure is good for fertilizer.
Romney’s only use is to steal, lie, destroy – a wolf in sheep’s clothing. Matthew 7:15-20
SPIT!!!!!
Ugh to think I voted for him against O…. I feel dirty just thinking about it. GO away mittens.
You know when I see how mittens treated his dog ie putting the dog on the roof of the car that is all I need to know.
Romney is as never Trump as it gets.
Yet he is NOT on board with impeachment after reading the Mueller report.
SAYS VOLUMES.
Comment from GWP: “Ardent Patriot Chris331 • an hour ago
The only Democrat in Washington DC who hasn’t announced a presidential run is Mitt Romney..”
Romney is Democrat as all get out. He governed Massachusetts left of Ted Kennedy. Heck, ruinous Romneycare in MA was the lab experiment for Øbominablecare.
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So many things I want to say just bubbling up and I am having to bite my lips so hard they are bleeding. I will not get Wolfie into trouble, I will not. Will not.
I’m just going to go work in the yard. Viciously yanking up weeds and sharpening my shovel will help.
🤐😬🤫🤐
Hang tuff Miss Sylvia, We Love You! 💕
A bit chilly for me to do that here so I will make do by watching the All Star Race I recorded yesterday.
Ooops…the magic wand got in there too…
🙂 🙂 🙂
https://cdn1.lockerdome.com/uploads/5f42f9acb14c11a38a67818034a02602cf810fff5800a04906cf2cc081440bd0_large
Since when do we allow a profile in cowardice lecture us on courage?
Amash is the back drop from which Romney tries to look reasonable and sane. Much like AOC tries to push the envelope for the left.
Coordinated?
Regardless it’s not going to work.
Spit for both of them.
Treepers, It is time to rethink regulations. This is great!!
Conservative Fresh Start: All Regulations Cancelled in Idaho
Bill Whittle
Published on May 15, 2019
Elizabeth,
I LOVE IDAHHHHO!!!!!!!
Thanks for posting…….
PR It is stunningly beautiful. We went through there around 1985. I kept the 8 County phone book for years. It was about the size of a Readers Digest. It even included the yellow pages.
After driving for hours on mountain roads, the road curved and there in front of us was Bear Lake. It was breathtaking.
I love it too.
Let’s hope they keep it a secret Elizabeth 😉
Bear Lake is really pretty. My sister and I found it accidentally on a trip a while back that no fiction writer could ever dream up.
One side—our side—of the political discourse risks shunning, censure, loss of employment, loss of education, loss of promotion, and even…if the demonization continues and amplifies to a culmination in (ultimate goal?) loss of life.
This is a reason why we must stay all in on the side of righteousness and continue to speak the truth when and while we can. WWG1WGA
The sword of truth will pierce the wall of lies and disinformation used against us by the left to justify the evil of the left. It will help us protect one another and MAGA.
Gowdy on Maria B.
All FBI Informants are wired, All phone calls have transcripts. Exculpatory evidence exists, not shown to court, Gowdy and Radcliffe have seen it (FBI and PapaD). Dossier, something Natl Enquirer would blush. Officials Need to look at December 2016 material (He previously mentioned comms between Brennan and Comey, that’s where the Golden Goose Egg is, IMO)
https://twitter.com/HeshmatAlavi/status/1130168458572902401?s=20
https://twitter.com/HeshmatAlavi/status/1130172017402155009?s=20
https://twitter.com/LisaMei62/status/1130192249894129670
Assuming these rockets are Iranian – and – this is Iran challenging the USA to war.
According to what I’ve read, these rockets and launchers have been around since about 1940, yup, 1940. About 10,000 were built (Soviet) and they’ve been used and sold all over. Lousy accuracy.
I’m not talking about the type of launchers, but their location and the perps launching them.
Exactly what Pompeo warned Iraq about. Get your Shia militias out of your government and under control. Guess they didn’t. Bridge area was a safe zone?? This WILL NOT go unanswered. Chocolate Cake, Mullah time?? 🎂 🚀🚀
I don’t know who this guy is, but this sums up the reaction ordinary people around the world have.
It is a reaction to the results of the Aussie elections.
Very Good Summary!!!
The tide is turning, isn’t it Patrick ?
I have so much more hope for my grandchildren and their world than I did four years ago…
People got ‘woke.’
Just not the ones that were planned on.
The fraudsters can’t cover their tracks like they used to be able to, even with all the help they get from their fellow travelers.
Article….
Why Did the Anti-Trump Conspirators Throw Their Lives Away?
https://townhall.com/columnists/williammarshall/2019/05/13/why-did-the-antitrump-conspirators-throw-their-lives-away-n2546229
Excerpts:
“…..the point is that all the people engaged in the subversion of our country would be considered the crème de la crème of American society. Yet they risked it all to avert Donald Trump’s election.
What could possibly be the reason?
A fascinating new book called “The Red Thread”, by Diana West, a leading expert on the history of American communism, offers some intriguing insights into the anti-Trump conspiracy and suggests a possible answer. Did you know that James Comey described himself as a Communist when he was in college? Although he claimed to have “moved on” from his college politics, he would forever subscribe to the teachings and philosophy of Socialist theologian Reinhold Niebuhr.
West informs us that John Brennan, who voted for the Communist Party USA candidate for president, Gus Hall, in 1976 was, according to former CIA chief of station Brad Johnson, “the target of a successful Saudi intelligence operation to convert him to Islam during Brennan’s stint, circa 1996, as CIA station chief in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia.”
Ms. West teases out other highly interesting, and disturbing, facts about many of the anti-Trump conspiracy players. But more importantly, she lays out a larger framework in which to view the philosophical drivers of many of the conspirators, who fall into the Marxist/globalist/collectivist political camp.
This is in direct opposition to the capitalist/nationalist/individualistic political camp led by Donald Trump. Trump was anathema to these individuals because he represented an existential threat to the globalist enterprise which has been so long in the making.”
Yup. American “progressivism” was more radical, conspiratorial, and FOREIGN-SUPPORTED than anybody realized. Anybody except maybe Diana West, who was VIGOROUSLY SUPPRESSED by Twitter.
I believe they had to be Never Trump or conspire against Trump because of the dirty deeds they did as members of the Dark State long before Candidate Trump arrived on the scene. I believe there was a conspiracy involved with sanitizing and hiding Obama’s past. One of their greatest fears is likely the fact that what they knew and did about getting Obama into the presidency will be exposed.
Just my two cents.
The Epoch Times video. ~18 minutes. Listened in as I review posts…
7 Reasons Why the Uranium One Scandal Won’t Go Away.
Easy to follow review / summary of the Uranium fiasco.
*https://www.theepochtimes.com/7-reasons-why-the-uranium-one-scandal-wont-go-away-2_2928029.html
https://twitter.com/KAG4All/status/1117537767733563393?s=20
Let her tend bar in Cuba or Venezuela.
https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1130132533088333825
Apparently he is Palestinian and his family’s tool business does big bucks with China.
the reeducation of Biden continues…LOL
A person’s behavior can be modified.
But their nature, ………………can’t be.
Problem with Biden is – no woman or father has had the courage to slap the sh-t out of him or deck him for his behavior.
I’m waiting for a woman to “accidentally” get off balance, necessitating her heel to come down hard on his foot, or maybe her knee to impact a sentivive area, followed by profuse apologies, but with each player knowing exactly what had taken place.
My naturally blond daughter would do it in a heartbeat, but if you saw her, you’d know Biden wouldn’t let go even with a heel in his instep and a knee in his privates.
File this idea under “Campaign Enders”.
I think that was his wife. Notice she knew to remove his hands.
Even GWB was known to pat his wife’s rear in public.
Agreed – that was Jill Biden he was hugging.
Now knowing it was his wife, the way she removed his hands was as subtle as a slap IMO. That was an instinctive body language response that can’t be rehearsed and suggests she is repulsed by her husband.
She’s done it before, that’s for sure. Repulsed? IDK about that.
Handsy its cutesy language for molesty. Imagine if he won. Pizza and hot dogs flown in from chicago weekly.
This is a very interesting phenomenon as men approach “end of life”. I have seen it too often. Better men will do things like tell women they’re beautiful. Men like Biden – well – they just grab it.
I think there is a legit question of whether Joe Biden would actually make it back into the White House. I think that may actually be the PLAN – “cop and drop”. His VP is the REAL candidate. They need a switcheroo, or maybe even a double swiitcheroo, to get who they need into place. The VP is also likely to be the person elevated for 2024, to be followed by UniParty moves to impose a SCHMUCK like Romney back on us as “its” opposition.
Yes.
With “Bite Me” running, more than once I have figured deep state wants “Bite Me” to get them across the finish line & inaugurated. Then surprise, one way or another “Bite Me” is finished. VP elevated and deep state wins.
Me thinks Mittens will be roundly rejected by vast majority of Republicans. Many have commented as Mittens run for President neared culmination, he laid down and basically let hussein run him over.
Thinking Independents know this, and have witnessed Mittens back stabbing President Trump numerous times over the past three years or so. Mittens character is lower than cry’n Chuck and Nitwit Nancy.
Me thinks you are correct Wolfie.
Was that his wife? He’s allowed to linger over her. Notice she knew what to do.
I think that is his wife…..
https://twitter.com/FaithGoldy/status/1129833276720504832
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-05-19/rapid-dna-testing-reveals-third-migrants-lying-about-family-relationship-children
Sunny Sunday Florida excitement: State Patrolman stops to help barefoot, shirtless guy walking on side of road. Guy steals police car….ends up with a dozen felony counts.
https://twitter.com/Breaking911/status/1130174485540290560
MOAR Sunday funnies:
Quote:
“Unfettered leftist government pretty much sums up de Blasio’s time in office as mayor. And it is awful. We need the rest of the country to shoulder some of this nonsense and madness. I’ll give you a few examples of de Blasio’s unfettered leftist government.
One of his first signature acts as mayor was to weaken restrictions on public urination. This perhaps suggests a potential campaign slogan: “De Blasio 2020, If You Gotta Go, You Gotta Go.” The result has been a more fragrant city, around every which corner some fine fellow may be relieving himself. This is not a burden that New York City deserves to bear alone. If people are peeing with amnesty on the Bowery, so should they also on Main Street.”
I heard somewhere on tv that AOC would make a great replacement for Deblasio. Unbelievable!
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1130196064491978752
Steve is great – good for him for getting this interview!
Agent Penis reassigned after CIA intruder blows his cover
https://www.duffelblog.com/2019/05/agent-penis-reassigned-after-cia-intruder-blows-his-cover/
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Pee pee jokes??
Bwahaha. The write up is funny. Reads like The Onion.
Ha, ha!!! I thought this was funny, too.:
https://www.duffelblog.com/2019/02/pentagon-swear-jar-funds-entire-border-wall-after-one-week/
https://twitter.com/IslandTime39/status/1130085138568753153
Zero Hedge has been reporting all those lies about BP sending refugees to FL. Never will believe them again!!!
ZH gets some things right, others wrong.
I don’t quote their info without verification from elsewhere.
Well, apparently Gov. DeSantis believed this because he responded to it. Pretty sad if this was all fake news. Despicable, really.
https://twitter.com/StormIsUponUs/status/1130191647197675520
https://twitter.com/StormIsUponUs/status/1130209974410330112
Certainly hope and pray Joe M is right!!!!
Daddy’s Pizzed! 😡
C_A black ops like NK…and everything in the past
https://twitter.com/CarrollQuigley1/status/1130231799010009090
IIRC, after Brennan’s clearance was cancelled, Brennan should have been debriefed.
So, Brennan is no longer authorized to discuss classified information he retains in his brain.
Additionally, his audience may not have clearances for whatever he retains to this day.
So, if Brennan has a discussion with D-Rats, and states classified information, Brennan IMHO has broken another law.
A corollary is all of the cool classified stuff I used to work on, witness, etc., can never be discussed by myself with anyone. Same is true for anyone who has had a clearance.
The only caveat, may be if specific information was declassified.
Did Di Fi Chi Spy urge the Iranian regime to challenge President Trump?
She is likely guilty of illegitimate interference, sedition and Logan Act interference in US foreign policy.
Would not surprise me. The AXIS OF WEASEL includes Democrats, Iran, and all Democrat-colluding countries named Russia and China that deeply back Iran.
Seeing your picture of the 2020 bill reminded me of what many are doing when shopping
It will be interesting to see how many of these bills made from 20s will circulate around the US.
https://twitter.com/GracieLovesUSA/status/1130193752205611009
Gettin ‘ my marker out now!
This is going to be a very fun year LOL
kay Kay please see my comment below. Are you seeing the same? Trump supporters in hiding, but willing to speak up when they see 👀other supporters here in WA or OR?
I haven’t worn my hat since 2015 when I brought my car in Portland, Ore. I am one of the lucky ones cause where i work and live is 90% redneck, which I am proud to call my self…. However I am still scared to wear my hat .
Now I will go down to your post.
OK Kalbren–I can seem to find it or did I already respond…
*can = can’t
So I was reading up on this Justin Amash character since I never heard of him before. I found this thread interesting, what a loser.
https://twitter.com/BenKTallmadge/status/1129869215068901376?s=19
Amash is another Romney/McCain RINO….his voting will reveal a Democrat and globalist at heart.
I can’t take these sellouts 🤬
GA/FL – you mean another irrelevant congress critter? I see….
Amash is of Palestinian descent. No surprise on where his sympathies lie.
They were Palestinian Christians and he’s an Antiochian Orthodox Christian. However, he’s a Romney/McCain Republican in name only.
Yeah, apparently 😳, I never heard of him before. He’s a member of the freedom caucus? Wtf?
Democrats are out of order.
Ok— NOw this is getting ridiculous!! Arrest him already!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
AMEN…
testing
Well? How did you do?
Hi, Scott……
Hello, friends!
Late to the party: household projects this weekend.
Brexit Party news. Remainer activists are erecting FAKE Brexit Party hoardings (billboards) and posters with anti-minority memes.
First, though, on Friday, May 17, Nigel had a very successful rally in Edinburgh, Scotland’s capital:
https://twitter.com/Soulsisterjen/status/1129448841038716928
The same thread has photos of the fake — and offensive — hoardings:
Another thread has individuals holding up fake — and offensive — BP posters:
https://twitter.com/IronCurt10/status/1129721529267306496
The ‘Order-Order’ story, by political commentator Guido Fawkes, says, in part (emph. mine):
https://order-order.com/2019/05/17/anti-brexit-billboard-campaign-massive-apparent-breach-electoral-law/
“Anti-Brexit campaign ‘Led By Donkeys’ have been busy racking up the FBPE retweets for a fresh swathe of billboards they’ve put up around the country. The billboards are branded as Brexit Party adverts with a fake Brexit Party web address and feature phrases like “Attack the NHS” and “Target Gay People”. They’ve now said they’re taking down the “Target Gay People” billboard after a major backlash, Guido hears the Brexit Party are also considering legal action…
“As Led By Donkeys are no doubt aware, as they’ve put a small imprint on their posters, the UK is in a regulated election period for the EU elections. Under Electoral Commission guidance Led By Donkeys clearly qualify as a non-party campaign. This means they are subject to legal spending limits …
“Even though Led By Donkeys are yet to appear in the Electoral Commission’s database, Guido will give them the benefit of the doubt and assume they are in the process of registering. This means they have the following spending limits which have been in force from 23rd January …
“Led By Donkeys have helpfully catalogued every billboard they put up between February and April, counting 255 in total …
“Even the first 8 posters which they say were “guerrilla operations” they put up themselves and around a dozen outside England, this means that by their own count they have spent well over £230,000 since January. They put up the 8th “guerilla” poster on January 23 itself, all the others appear to have been put up after this. This puts them over £70,000 over the legal spending limit and in massive breach of electoral law…”
Just wondering, are there any election fraud or “impersonation” laws that would apply as well???
Putting up deceptive billboards, regardless of cost, should be a crime (goodness knows, there are plenty of other statutes)…
Someone said that Ann Widdecombe (former long-serving Conservative MP now Brexit Party MEP candidate) could sue for libel, because her words were taken out of context. Apparently — according to a commenter on Guido’s Order-Order thread — she was citing Catholic doctrine in a speech, not necessarily her own views. She is a devout Roman Catholic.
We will see what happens. If I notice an update, I will post on it here.
Meanwhile, here’s Guido’s site, if you see those updates before I do 🙂 …
https://order-order.com/
… and Twitter account (remove *):
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Tweets by GuidoFawkes
The truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth….
There’s something to this.
More than that.
If he knew about it (and he did), and he did nothing about it (which he didn’t), then he is equally culpable in her WILLFUL illegalities.
Could very well have been a cabal voice in books.
“Could very well have been a cabal voice in books.”
DP, would you elaborate on that? I don’t understand your meaning. Thanks.
The Winds of War, and it’s successor kind of romanticized WWII. I didnt read him, but my mother did. I’m just suspicious about best selling authors who write glowing things about some subjects.
Hmm… Okay, I can really understand being suspicious of best selling authors! For good reason in these times.
I’ve read a bunch of his novels like The Caine Mutiny and Marjorie Morningstar.
I have read and reread the Winds of War and War and Remembrance several times throughout the years because I enjoy the accurate historical detail and the character studies.
From my point of view these were profoundly anti-war novels. As a child of the late 60s and 70s I was disgusted by the hippies in the streets with their anger and their signs. That brand of overt anti war excess repelled me.
The themes carried through both books over and over were of the pain, death, and futility of wars and the cost to individuals, families, civilization. But the way he wrote about these themes was not anti-American or military-hating which was how I saw the anti war movement of my childhood.
Other major themes in WoW and WAR include American exceptionalism, the warrior ethic, honor, duty, faith. There’s also a minor but recurring theme that touches on American commercialism and greed, also.
I’m sure there’s more but it has been a number of years since I’ve read them.
I was sorry to read he had passed away.
Agree with Syl 1,000 percent! Especially the two, Winds of War and the follow on, W&R are just excellent, right down to the ground level storytelling. RIP, Mr. Wouk …
<3 <3 <3
Good! Calling out Chrissy!
And, thus, our President’s favorable mention of OANN of late. Faux better get their act together or they are going to be on the downside of things quickly. If this “town hall” coverage had any ratings at all, I am 100 percent sure it was out of curiosity, not support for this loon. Their coverage of Petey boy was ridiculous, and POTUS is right – they just want in – like the little kid who has been put down by the bullies all his life and suddenly sees his way to getting on their good side by joining in with the bullying. Pathetic.
Olderwiser–I totally agree with your post!!! Petey boy– you are so very spot on regarding the bullied lil dude.. Here’s the thing– As much as we sympathize with an underdog… America DOES NOT WANT an underdog in charge of our Country,,, Just don’t tell him..😂😂😂
Dr David Bull, a physician who has appeared numerous times not only on British television but also on the US airwaves, is a Brexit Party candidate for the North West of England:
Either here or OT within the last year, there was a discussion about new doctors taking the Hippocratic Oath. Nearly 20 years ago, Bull said, having qualified in 1993, that the oath is a mere formality in our day and age. The oath and its significance go unexplained. Newly qualified physicians merely repeat it as instructed. End of story. I posted to that effect in the discussion thread. My source was Dr Bull, who said it on The Wright Stuff television talk show, which ran for several years.
After he made his comment, Dr Bull was a bit surprised that the general public were unaware of the lowly status of the Hippocratic Oath. Host Matthew Wright (worldly wise), the panel, the live audience and the callers were all shocked. This must have been nearly 20 years ago. Dr Bull agreed that this was — and is a — very sad state of affairs.
First rule: ‘do no harm’. Out the window now.
Electoral Commission says complaints about Brexit Party logo are unfounded. Logo is fine. Thank goodness:
The image in full is below. Mr Hobson’s complaint is that the arrow points directly to the tick box on the voting form:
Others also complained about the same thing.
They also did not like that the space in ‘EX’ in ‘BREXIT’ indicates an arrow. (Good grief. File under ‘Grasping at Straws’.)
The London Evening Standard reported on it. From Friday, May 17:
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/brexit-party-logo-cleverly-designed-to-tell-voters-to-back-farage-a4143706.html
‘”You don’t have to like the Brexit Party to give them their due in terms of organisation. Having an arrow as a logo that points directly at the box in which people vote for them is a stroke of genius. Hadn’t cottoned onto that until I saw it in situ,” Edwin Hayward added.
‘Clinical psychologist Richard Bentall said he had complained to the Electoral Commission about the logo, calling it an “obvious cue to vote for the party” and an “unfair advantage”.
‘Others pointed out that another arrow could be seen between the E and X of the font.
‘Mark Wallace wrote: “I’ve only just realised the white arrow in the Brexit Party’s logo is the space between a blue capital E and X of BREXIT.”
‘The Electoral Commission said: “After our robust and thorough assessment process, we came to the opinion that this emblem was not likely to mislead a voter.
‘”This is consistent with other decisions we have made about party emblems. Part of our consideration was that, if at all, the emblem directs voters to the correct place to cast their vote for the party and does not encourage or discourage voters from casting their vote for other parties, or in any other way not to cast their vote correctly.”‘
I guess to the snowflakes, deep-state, and remainers (but I repeat myself, twice) it would be a *cough* Hobson’s Choice…
(Ducks flying copies of the Oxford Unabridged, pans of Haggis, and chunks of peat)…
This x 1000!!
Thank you, CC!
Leave MEP mourns Grumpy Cat’s passing:
https://twitter.com/DanielJHannan/status/1129647859962470401
EU election / Brexit polling follows.
EU elections take place on Thursday, May 23.
Two-thirds of Conservative voters support No Deal:
Just under half of LABOUR LEAVERS intend to vote for Nigel’s BREXIT PARTY. WOW:
https://twitter.com/election_data/status/1129286775061602304
YouGov has a good thread on polling published on Friday, May 17:
Note first tweet:
https://twitter.com/election_data/status/1129286775061602304
Okay, that’s it from me for now.
Lots of reading to catch up here! 🙂
Hope everyone has a great week ahead! MAGA! BREXIT!
Arrgh!!
That was not the tweet intended. Here it is. It’s about the preferred Brexit outcome and voting intentions:
Wow. Great infos, Churchmouse!
Boris would be interesting. Down here (or actually, even further south) in Tübingen, there is a “Green” Burgermeister, Boris Palmer, who is actually pretty good, and not a simpering SJW snowflake.
The Greens want to throw him out of the party, probably because he makes too much sense (for the most part). Tübingen is a (great) University town, so to have such a “woke” mayor is interesting. (My son was going to Uni Tübingen until “Stuttgart 21” [the IDIOTIC railroad project] made it so he’d have to get up at 4:00 to get to his 7:00 class (!). DB (Deutsche Bundesbahn) snatching defeat from the jaws of victory, yet again)…
Kind of funny, I have to say, watching the Greens twist, turn, and squirm every time Boris opens his mouth 🙂 I guess Boris isn’t Badenov for them anymore…
😆
Best of luck to your Boris. Please keep us updated.
Am surprised to read about DB’s poor rail project. Had expected them to keep trains running steadily round the clock.
Thanks, I will. DB, like the old grey mare, ain’t what it used to be.
They wanted to put it on the stock market, so Hartmut Mehdorn, the head of DB at the time, shuffled funds around to make the numbers look better.
Wayyyy better.
Unfortunately, a lot of those funds came from maintenance of right-of-way and phyiscal plant budgets, not to mention personnel (read: people who REALLY knew what they were doing got let go – organizational knowledge thereby depleted).
Now with their parade project(s), Stuttgart 21, they’re over budget, late, and things are going pear-shaped in a big way. Not your typical German “Grundlichkeit” (thoroughness) by a long shot… Speaking of shot, that’s what would have happened (figuratively) to Mehdorn 30 years ago. Nowadays, he gets sent packing to head up the equally-if-not-more-FUBAR BER (Berlin new airport) project. Also late, over budget, rife with problems. Somehow I detect a pattern there… Before those two *cough* projects, he was head of Heidelberger Druckmaschinen AG (formerly famous and successful printing press company). He drove them into the ground, too…
There was a character in “Catch-22” (Colonel Cathcart?) who, as a civilian, was hired to drive companies into the ground. Everywhere he worked; failed. Sounds like Labour and the DEMONcRATs…
Thank you for all the information!
Good grief. What a disaster!
This is a bit difficult to process from the nation that gave us Audi’s ‘vorsprung durch technik’:
https://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/vorsprung-durch-technik.html
Who would/could have thought that any of this would have happened in Germany, of all places?
Then again, Arbeit macht Frei….
Just kidding.
As George Carlin once said, “It’s a big club. And we aren’t in it”…
That Dutch Financier, Ronald Bernard, saw it all. And I just wish more people could see that, and understnad that: that the hyper-rich and their minions would just as soon we be dead… too many mouths to feed…
(Now where did I put my Nicholas Nickleby DVDs…)…
Yes, I saw Bernard’s video some time ago. That must have been a difficult period in his life, because he had to question his whole career, his friends and associates, then create his future outside of that structure.
On your other point, it is mystifying that everyday citizens cling to the EU. The same principle applies: the EU elites — and their minions — do not care. They just want our money to fund their lifestyles.
New matrix point for the dossier.
https://twitter.com/Jim_Peoples_/status/1111636639133192193
QUOTE:
“My source tells me that the intelligence community, Obama’s intelligence community Brennan, Clapper, Comey, they were frustrated because they had this Russian dossier but nobody believed it was real… they couldn’t get anything out of it,” the Kentucky Republican said on “Fox & Friends” Thursday.
Paul also implicated former President Obama in his claims about the dossier.
“I believe at that time they did talk to President Obama about it. I think they all should be asked ‘when did President Obama learn about this, what was his recommendation? He is in charge of the government. Did he recommend that you try to spread the dossier throughout the government?’”
Rep. Peter King accused Brennan of “rigging” the investigation against Trump and of “going out of his way to slant the report against the president.” The New York Republican told Fox News on Thursday that Brennan “has been an evil force” and should appear before Congress.
Brennan, who has been a vocal critic of the president, has frequently slammed Trump in unprofessional tweets and comments in interviews that seem surprising coming from a former CIA director. He was so sure, like many on the left, that Mueller’s investigation would lead to the president’s downfall.
After claiming there was evidence of contacts between the Trump campaign and Russians during his May 2017 testimony before Congress, Brennan has now backtracked to admit he might have been given “bad information”.
“For him to say the president’s guilty of collusion, of treason, that for me is evil to say unless he had absolute proof. Turns out he had none,” Rep. King said on Fox News. “John Brennan has been the evil force here.”
BOLSHEVIK BRENNAN SAY WHUUUUUUT?
The C_A has been running the government, even telling the president what to do… since before JFK and up to President Donald J. Trump. It’s not an agency, it’s a disease. It’s accountable to NO ONE.
Hopefully Ms Gina is dismantling it… but that’s to be seen.
I agree. It’s a disease. The last lingering stench of FDR’s treasonous affair with STALIN.
Brennan will not rat out Jarrett and Obama. The real question is whether their covert communications were ever intercepted by mechanisms which can survive revelation of those communications.
No biggie.
We can get Obama on Hillary’s illegal email server. Besides, we already have him vis-a-vis the Strzok/Page texts (ie. “POTUS wants to know everything we’re doing”)
Agreed. He’s going down. I would just love to see him go down so hard, he really does leave for Kenya.
Gov’t has zero, Brennan and Clapper on HAMR (The Hammer)
Montgomery turned over millions of pages of documents, proof enough
That alone is HIGH TREASON…
You know – I just remembered something – that is very analogous to what Dave Janda discovered RE the cabal freaking about the Montgomery stuff going public with the generals, and Janda’s contention that THAT is why the Comey-Brennan cabal went after Trump (Janda’s theory) the very next day.
Didn’t SCHIFFTY hit Nunes with that ridiculous ethics thing right after NUNES was confronted with the Montgomery stuff? Wasn’t that at almost the exact same time as Nunes being shocked by whatever he saw in the SCIF when Coates gave him access to the relevant documents?
Or perhaps that shock at the SCIF stuff was Nunes’ HANDY EXCUSE for being shocked by the Montgomery stuff.
Well, you tech folks might have something to say on this.
I have to ask Huawei would ANYONE buy a bugged Chinese phone like that…
And yet the idiot, Merde-Kuh-controlled MCM (yep, we have ’em too) have issued nary a peep. At least until so far (it’s the middle of the night here, 1:40 or so).
I’d like to see ALL electronic manufacturing return to the USA, and for us across the pond, back to Europe. Just driving through Böblingen, for example, one sees the empty husks of what once were glorious, innovative, and highly-productive manufacturing facilities for IBM, HP, and others. HP used to have around 7,000 people in BBN, IBM (IIRC) even more. Now, if Daimler (Mercedes) in Sindelfingen gets kicked by the Diesel “fakirs”, it’s all over for “Süddeutschland”. And the Chinese are laughing all the way to the bank, building three or four coal-fired power plants per week, to fuel THEIR manufacturing at OUR expense…….
OK, just showed up on “Focus”, from Handelsblatt (our version of “Financial Times” or “Wall Street Journal”).
Just looked at Handelsblatt, not much info there, either. Basically they’re blaming President Trump, but have utterly nothing to say about, erm, Huawei there is a problem…
Kind of funny, as I recall Mutti Merkel was displeased that we had her cell phone tapped. (Wasn’t that BO?) But it is apparently just right as rain to have the Chinee listening in to every word.
Ah well. Germany. We spent a lot of blood and treasure to build it up into what is rapidly starting to look like an unpleasant stranger rather than an ally. I can remember being so happy when the Berlin Wall fell and wondering why anyone would think it would be a bad thing for Germany to reunify. Sometimes I can’t believe I was so young and wide-eyed.
The problem is, the wall fell in the wrong direction, and the “Soviet Empire” never really went away, it just went underground. So instead of the East (DDR) reforming and becoming like the West (BRD), the West has lurched a bit toward what the East used to be. An inordinately large number of former “Ossies” have been in the West-German government the last 20-or so years, coincident with the Monetary (actually political) joining of the EU.
Other countries of the former East Bloc smell a rat (or many) in Brussels, and want no part of it. A great (and un- or under-reported) many here in the West are fed up, too. The EU elections should really be something to see. I just hope and pray that any and all election fraud (read: Soros) will be found and quashed before it can do any damage…
hope so, too
As much as I hate to congratulate the KGB and Stasi for what they did, making the West think it “won” the Cold War was frigging genius. If there is anything the American Fake News media should hang for, besides helping the Kennedy assassins get away blameless, it’s their integral part in the world-wide deception.
Theres a zh article on mercedes just parking 1000s of large suvs in storage lots not listed for sale. They wont say why either just that its temporary.
They’ve just gotten nailed about the fake Diesel (engine control system) manipulation scam. Could be those are all Diesels…
Ironically, all of this so-called Diesel (feinstaub/particulates) BS started witn Øblowhole’s EPA. The one headed by the twerp who used private email for government business, so she wouldn’t be subject to FOIA requests. Lisa Jackson?
Btw, if the globalists, Merde-Kuh, and the Klintoon Kommunistas manage to kill the auto industry over here, Germany is over. Maybe that’s what they want…
Except for a few decades in the 1900s, Germany has been a great country (OK, city-states, duchys, and such). I really don’t want to have to move again, at least at my age…
(and learning Polish is beyond me… reverse Polish notation is as close as I’ll ever get 🙂 )…
I say damn good and FUCK YOU CHINA you bastards should have thought that OPM hack might actually cost you something.
We don’t appreciate you taking over Hollywood and you will PAY DEARLY for everything you and your Soviet friends and DEMOCRAT TRAITOR ALLIES did.
Oh. And have a nice day. 😀
Saturday night joke from Ace of Spades:
The Saturday Night Joke
A man was telling his buddy : “You won’t believe what happened last night.”
My daughter walked into the living room and said : Dad, cancel my allowance immediately, forget my college tuition loan, rent my room out, throw all my clothes out the window, take my TV and my laptop.
Please take any of my jewelry to the Salvation Army or Cash Converters. Then sell my car, take my house key away, and throw me out.
Then disown me and never talk to me again. And don’t forget to write me out of your will and leave my share to any charity you choose.”
“Holy Smokes,” replied the friend, ” – she actually said that?”
“Well, she didn’t put it quite like that. She actually said :
“Dad, meet my new boyfriend, Mohammed. We’re going to work together on Elizabeth Warren’s Presidential Campaign.”
http://ace.mu.nu/archives/381333.php
Oh that provoked an instant belly laugh!!!
Damn did mittens grow a brain…(Still ashamed that I voted for him, but will not lie) I do believe that Mittens purposefully did not fight when he asked Obama about Benghazi at the last debate.
This is a snake saying what he needs to say in order to keep his GOPe camouflage in place.
I don’t think I will ever trust Romney, regardless of what he says or does .
I know I never will.
https://twitter.com/CarrollQuigley1/status/1130236250676502530
click on Huber’s tweet for his THREAD
Well, it depends on what “IS” is…
Damn & I thought the murdering of full-term humans after birth was bad..DAMN
Does the left have any brains left.
SMH
CombsHisHairWithBallons is a sad excuse for a person.
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-05-19/more-footage-discovered-bernie-sanders-honeymoon-ussr
“As Politico explains, the footage could become a problem for Sanders as Democratic Primary voters worry about the footage being used by Republicans in attack ads.”
Yeah, and his wedding song (processional) probably went something like this 🙂 :
https://twitter.com/iamjumpingin/status/1130252626992480256
Great tweet!!!
Joe Zucker Biden
click on Ben Riley-Smith for THREAD
Above is propaganda being put out by the Brits to cover their butts when POTUS releases DeClass…
Surprised PM didn’t say so…
CRAP !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
It’s probably worth noting that PM May’s former job included supervising and controlling MI5, MI6 and the intelligence services, so she was “all in” whether she wanted to be or not. In other words, she had to have known…
Phoenix–PM called it “damage Control”–which I interpreted to mean propaganda…😊
Thanks Marica…
I’ve gettin’ dumber every day… and grumpy 😉
Maybe cuz Grumpy cat died…😪🤗😘
Yeah, a SAD DAY for us lovers of GRUMPY CAT!!!
Awww…However– Maybe it’s now time for Joyful Cat?!!! I am certain somebody can Post one of those???? hmmmm🤔🤔😏
http://www.somepets.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/grumpy-cat-meme.jpg
Darn it Wolfie!! I took a sip….It gone…🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Hang on Guys looks like they making 2020 Election a mess already
Sheryl Sandberg: Facebook Working with FBI Ahead of 2020 Elections
https://www.breitbart.com/tech/2019/05/17/sheryl-sandberg-facebook-working-with-fbi-ahead-of-2020-elections/
Sheryl Sandberg: Facebook Working with FBI Ahead of 2020 Elections | Breitbart http://bit.ly/2YAjzBA via @BreitbartNews
What an evil, miserable, execrable, and decrepit wench.
Sedition and treason. Sparky’s waiting, Sheryl, Zuck, Brennan, Ø, Klintoons, and others… Local warming, indeed….
More and more of my conservative friends on FB are getting time outs, with some getting some very long suspensions
Sounds like Facebook is working with the FSB faction of FBI.
Oh yea….I am scared to even post in the groups I thought was private cause they now or have been monitoring them. Got a video about the Illegals carrying guns censored in a private group.
So now I just post about family military and religion. Bet religious posts will be getting censored soon, unless you Muslim.
People really need to start populating the alternatives:
gab.com
freetalk.app
spreely.com
I’ve got $10 that says POTUS, Rogers, & Flynn have something cooking for the Big Tech censors…just waiting until they get their necks stretched out really good and long.
Any takers?
All I have to say is Voter ID and something done with the censors
I agree. The censors are going down. It’s only a question of WHEN the payload DROPS.
I would NEVER bet against you…But I’ll add $10 !!! This tree of Patriots wouldn’t take that bet…I think you might be “barkin up the wrong tree? LOL!!!!
The real question is whether WRAY has stepped up FBI’s game, to where Russian NARRATIVE ASSISTANCE to their uranium-donating Democrat allies is being spotted and tracked. Or are they forever STUCK on the bogus distraction of “direct” assistance.
https://twitter.com/QTAnon1/status/1130269358851121153?s=19
ME TOO Driller!!!!!! Mr. Marica would actually say that!!!!🤣🤣🤣🤣
I read it to drillerwife, she tried so hard not to burst out into laughter 😆🤣
But she did–didn’t she? LOL!!!! I didn’t want to laugh either–but…HA!!!😂😂😂😂
Yep 😆
Give her a “High five from me!!! LOL!! #can’thelpit😂😂🖐🙌
It’s the sofa for you for the rest of the month 🙂
Lol, if I’d have actually said that to her it’d probably be the sofa for a lot longer than that
And you’d be duking it out with DrillerDog for sofa priviliges 😀
Ha, more likely she’d have him laying up in my spot in bed just to spite me. Although, … she may not want him to loose his privilege to be at this coveted spot on the drill 😉
The great thing about this joke is it’s unisex….just swap who is saying what. 😉
THis question by Chrissy is the EXACT reason VSGPDJT won’t give him the time of day–and neither will any of his supporters…
Chrissy crawled up Pete’s ass, and got real comfortable; didn’t he………………………….
Yes he did Patrick!! His tingle wasn’t just down his damn leg if ya ask me!!!
My taco is suddenly roiling around in my stomach. Blech. Not sure if I need Pepto or X-Strength Mind Bleach. Chrissy as Richard Gere’s gerbil is just—‘scuse me………….
Kudos for, Chrissy as Pete’s gerbil!
As always, it is your fault.
You made me see it.
I’m scarred for life.
I love responsibility!
🙂 🙂 🙂
Lil’ bitch Wallace luvs him some gay mayor, huh? It’s just so….so…..well, I mean….shocking, isn’t it?
/s
Betas gonna beta.
Here’s my reply to Brit Hume tonite…I hope this posts correctly…
Oh snap!
Thanks!!! LOL!!!!
Oh good! I thought perhaps you were a bit harsh until I clicked on and read Brit’s tweet. He’s lucky I didn’t have my shovel in hand. How DARE he stick up for that ridiculous twit Chris Wallace? Spit.
Go get ’em Marica, I’m right behind you!
Thank you my famous Red Head Shovel Wielding Warrior Patriot Friend!!!!😘😘
His ratings should thud.
Wth is he doing on fox anymore anyway?
Fox is MCM too!!! Just a handful of decent People/shows left…
They’re Disney now, aren’t they?
’nuff said.
They’ll be all behind Buttplug and his ilk…
About 4 million a year, at last report.
Truly hes not a good interviewer and hes just nasty. This is hius version of a thrill up his leg. If hes msm DS, then butt guy guy is his cup of tea.
Shep will have him on ‘The Rear View,’ next.
Patrick–Sheps gotta be DROOLING right now–But the 4 views he gets at that “fantastic” 3:00 hour–IDK..Even Mayor Pete might see that spot as as useless at a female hooker at his bachelor party…
I don’t think Pete would pass up any chance to girl talk with one of his homie-O’s, and kiss his husband in public.
“I miss my husband right now…” LOL Mayor Pete is a tool–plain and simple…
I have no doubt Shep and Butt will have a real love fest giggling and simpering together.
Two dog stories:
Disabled dog saves newborn baby:
Illegal kills dog in the most heinous way:
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/05/19/illegal-alien-convicted-raping-dog-death-released-sanctuary-state/
More about Amash:
https://twitter.com/RealCandaceO/status/1130207534675968000
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=qhlsllPptCw
THREAD
Comments interesting… Pelosi
Don’t forget this…too
https://twitter.com/kbq225/status/1128751911597936646
Oh my my– Always belived from 2008 that many many Democrats were birded &/or blackmailed
Ones needed kept around &. others like Edwards, Blagojevich, Rezko & etc were thrown under bus.
JUDAS GOAT INDEED!! 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 WHAT?
Ha ha ha! I was wondering when she would confess. Her whole story never made a bit of sense.
Ummm,….that article is from Jan.30 2018
So….. 👎
Wait–I actually remember that article a year an a half ago– THe trouble was Media didn’t cover–She ended up having to pay legal fees…See Unseens whole thread…
And still the left persists in saying that he did it.
SMH… The MCM can’t be taken down soon enough…
I never believed it. I just couldn’t fathom that someone who is germophobic would engage physically with someone who is the human equivalent of a public restroom. Unless you were wearing a HazMat suit.
If he wanted a woman, he could have his pick of gazillions of women with less, er, mileage.
So under reported…
She also caused Melania and Barron and others a lot of pain and public humiliation….
However–Phoenix– If she was a true “Judas Goat”–Melania and Barron KNEW ahead of time… And if not–THey had to die laughing that she was ordered to pay POTUS legal bills!!!
Phoenix…I am hearing you (I some ways I’m a bit “grumpy too) Chin up!! Chest out!! We WILL WIN!!!! NO DOUBT!!! Stay away from EEYORE Places and thoughts!!! GOD ALWAYS WINS!! It’s just been so long that we had a MORTAL fighting for GOD”S SIDE!!! 😘😘😘
Deja Vu…..
https://twitter.com/Breaking911/status/1130203252790898688
“I’M BAAAAAAACK!!!” 😉
Whoot!
Yes!!!! Fearless Warrior!!! Leonidas LIVES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
WP functions, wonky right now.
Affecting several of their sites, including The New York Post
I caught this Patrick… LOL!!!! Good one!!!😜😜
Did anyone watch PDJT on the Steve Hilton show tonight? The Next Revolution on FOX? I’m just now watching it. It’s a whole hour long.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KxNRa1Q_7o0
I hope this is the whole interview. I just saw SD has the video up OT so if this isn’t right you can go there.
Steve asked him if it’s true PDJT authorized a cyber attack on Russia during the mid term elections last year to keep them from hitting us. PDJT wouldn’t confirm (but you can tell, anyway).
I had not heard that before. Have I been living under a rock?
Not yet. Im just wondering why he is choosing Hilton. Is Judge Jeanine a no go?
I’m very surprised, but it seems PDJT really likes Steve Hilton’s show. I’ve only watched it a time or two and didn’t care for it. I guess I’ll have to give it another chance.
For my California friends check this out
https://twitter.com/KernUnited/status/1130651990558593025
You might want to repost in current day’s thread. 🙂