My 21yr old son, Gunner, was talkative last night. For over three hours, moving through topics with the greatest of ease, he drifted from gun ownership, to Antifa, to cheating in college, dating in the age of feminism, the hiring process, Russian submarine disaster, big tech, Microsoft versus Linux systems, H1B visas, and Fed Monetary Policy…. along with a LOT of anecdotal engineering (his discipline) stories thrown into the mix. He was animated and persuasive. Mostly, Big T and I listened.
Understand, my husband, when in law school, placed 2nd nationally for mock trial and was a Boston trial lawyer for 23yrs = highly verbal. I was a statewide debate and extemporaneous speaking champ = highly verbal. You have to FIGHT to get a word in edgewise in our house, AND with four stepsisters, Gunner had plenty of competition. Last night, however, he took the floor. When he went to bed, I was left…….. impressed. Kind of like that moment when you see your kids as an adult – it’s spooky.
He’s going to be fine. As far as his readiness to enter the real world, he’s like a casserole with only 5 minutes left on the oven timer….. almost done…. bubbling with possibilities……. and the delicious aroma of his potential makes my mouth water with anticipation.
During the conversation last night, my son expressed concern about various particular students and their struggles with money…. not the pizza and beer money…. but the money for an apartment/dorm, tuition and books. He wondered why they did not have scholarships or plan their future …. more prudently. Objectively, he acknowledged his viewpoint may be unfair, because our family was extremely focused on paying for college, both in saving money and applying for scholarships. Many families are not so keen to the idea. He didn’t however, think it was an excuse for the students, who are ultimately responsible. In his opinion, “Who the hell signs onto a $200K debt or committment with no plan to pay it back?” He couldn’t understand why more students did not hunt and apply for scholarships to ease their financial burden.
We’re not talking about average students either. These are kids over a 30 Composite on the ACT and in the 700’s on SAT’s. These are the kids who should have many scholarships and be in honor societies, no reason not to have them. He reasoned, if they worked so hard to excel in their studies, they should have thought more about the expense of college. To be reasonable however, some of them came from less fortunate families, or are first in their family to attend a university.
One of Gunner’s best friends, Kenny (not his real name) is a black male with super-high test scores. Kenny is an academic unicorn – a rare treasure, and my son loves him like he’s his own brother. Kenny had to drop out of college, flunked out, because he could not handle the social pressures, a Chem major, and the physical requirements of ROTC. In my son’s opinion, “The world needs guys like Kenny and we’re ALL worse off because Kenny didn’t make it.” My son emphatically stated, “If Kenny had been in our family, his real brother, with support, little bit of discipline, and consequences, Kenny would have finished successfully.” Unfortunately, Kenny had no one to count on, and no one to whom an answer was required. My son was correct, however, we all are worse off because of the failure.
The real reason Kenny failed = Kenny just wanted to be popular, for once, and not the egghead. Kenny partied too much….. flunked out…… and now works light construction…. when he can find work. Once full of hope, a provost scholar, and a rising star, Kenny is now desolate, no longer welcome in his mother’s home. It’s his own fault and he knows it. Tough lesson to learn…..lots of time and opportunity…… lost.
Again, our feeble attempt at solutions came back to finances, scholarships, and stability/security knowing the bills would be paid, even while on academic probation,….. and not overly burdensome upon graduation. To avoid the social pressures, Gunner suggested a stronger honor society, more work programs at school, friendships and mentoring, adopt-a-parent who will listen, within that group, to encourage good practices….., and a home cooked meal every now and then, instead of $1 shots on a Tuesday night. I know – I know, they’re supposed to be adults by age 18….. right?
And then, Gunner referred back to the FRC Scholarship problem, and how few applications were submitted, and what a mess the scholarship process has become. I nodded and remembered the fights and time spent on the process. It’s true, and I was dumbstruck by the low response for scholarship applications on a national level.
Here’s my story:
Gunner was in 9th grade. Our school had a little robotics team, first year, small robot, and a mini-grant for it, with a Robotics Advisor who actually stood up in church and said, “Technology is the Great Satan” Nahhhhh, it didn’t go over well with the kids. He also had a bad habit of looking down the girl’s blouses… for decades. In their first regional competition, they came in dead last— and landed at our house to graze food and organize a parent pickup. The boys, all of whom I had known since they were two years old, were furious and humiliated. I had never seen them so angry, and all angry at the same time. I asked them if they hated robotics and/or the competition, or if they were only angry because they didn’t know what they were doing. Unanimous vote, they wanted to stay, and win, AND be competent. Well then….. we had work to do.
Big T and I got involved in a major way. Team won state championship and placed #11/389 nationally in Orlando, and won the leadership award = big trophy we brought home. From 9th grade, with their success, the kids wanted to continue to another bigger team in 10th grade – but no advisor, no team, no nothing. Can’t take it away now, they were on a roll. We looked for options.
FRC was the granddaddy of robotics. They have thousands of teams all over the world. Their national championships are held in places like the Edward Jones Dome in St Louis or something like the Superdome in New Orleans, with teams from over 50 countries. It’s a big deal. The Black Eyed Peas played for halftime about 7yrs ago. Okay, sounds good, right? Gunner thought that was what we needed and I agreed. Why not? Yet, it’s expensive to buy in, $7-10K for first robot “kit” and a lot of manpower, facility to meet, tools to assemble, etc. I was convinced I could talk ex-husband into being the mentor, we just had to find the money.
Gunner learned NASA provides about 10 grants a year for FRC. Alrighty then, we had to win a grant……. a NASA grant….. among thousands who would compete. Big T wrote the first grant but it sounded like “Cause for War Declaration in the Middle East” – highly technical and boring. Gunner re-wrote (I helped) the grant and we won! We won a NASA grant, made the front page of the local paper. We also won another grant for a smaller robot for the Jr High, to mentor younger students and develop a “bench”. One thing led to another, Gunner became an Ambassador for NASA, manager of several pit crews (they have robotic pit crews like NASCAR), we traveled like crazy, and the advisor to NASA tucked us under his wing. Good guy to know. He changed my son’s life…..
Along the way, the USA Southeast Regional Chairwoman presumed I was somehow her competitor, …..smelled me breathing heavy at her heels. Huh??? She decided to throw me a bone and made me the Regional “Scholarship Chairman” for about 7 states and about 4500-6000 kids. I was honored, but clueless to her animosity…. never saw it coming. The kids were great, though! These students were science/tech focused, high performers, supported by their parents enough for travel and an expensive extra-curricular. She threw me a ‘Scholarship manual’ and a “Good luck with that”, and walked away. She dissed me out of the blue. I was blind-sided but miffed. Note taken. Payback is a bitch.
The guys and students worked on robots for months. Big T, the lawyer, who never touched so much as a weedeater before he met me, learned ALL ABOUT electrical wiring and socket wrenches with my ex-husband, the general contractor, who was at home in his wheelhouse. Oh my, …… what a travel team they were. I gave them both credit to rise to the occasion for the kids. It was dicey at times. Me to Big T, “Honey, does it feel a little awkward checking into a hotel with my ex-husband?” His response, “Yeah, ya’ think?” That man is a blessing. At least they had different rooms.
Meanwhile, I dug into my new FRC volunteer position while working on the stone company and B&B. For good or bad, my personality is the very embodiment of a self-starter. With a little bit of authority, I can be dangerous….. but I am a benevolent dictator. Now, I was a Scholarship Chairman….. and I ran with it.
The kids on OUR team, we had about 50 by then, knew FRC offered 26 million dollars in scholarships at 168 top notch universities. Our kids were desperately looking for scholarships. Since we’re next door to the school, kids landed in my office (or kitchen) after school all the time, to talk about their future dreams, hopes, college, etc. My job was to connect student and university. Of course, Gunner was interested in obtaining a possible scholarship, BUT the program was a mess.
All that money, 26 million dollars, for kids who desperately needed it, and no easy way to connect them. After a few phone calls, I figured out the list was outdated, old contacts, bad phone numbers, etc. First thing to do was update the list — so I called 168 universities — and boy-oh-boy were they surprised to hear from me. Vast majority had not received a contact from our org in years. MOST were disappointed at the number of applications for scholarships their university was offering. Texas A&M reported 4 applications last year. Ga Tech, 7 applications and most unqualified. Brandeis, Cornell, NYU, UPenn, MIT, Lehigh, to Cal Poly, and Caltech, on and on it went.
The college admissions execs were keen for good applicants. They WANTED our kids. They wanted to figure out an easier way to get to the pool of our kids. Yet, if the scholarship is for electrical engineering, they didn’t want a humanities major to apply. The admissions officers were a little frustrated as well. We needed better matching of kid to scholarship and a higher profile for the program. “Okay sure”, I thought. I can do that!
Sooooooooo, I invited all 168 schools to our big regional in New Orleans for 3 days, and set up space for a college recruitment “row”. I printed elaborate invitations and followed up personally with phone calls. I didn’t ask for permission beforehand, but waited until I had 28 universities, with hotel and plane reservations confirmed, to casually “mention” the idea to my Chair, the witch. I wrecked her nerves. To be fair, she had enough to do with main organization of the event. I had “My portion under control, no worries.”, I said, but that just made her spit and stomp.
Big T and I also booked a suite at the hotel convention facility and offered to wine and dine the college recruiters the night before kick-off. Of course, I made Gumbo, lots of hors d’oeuvres, and the liquor flowed. It went VERY well……..
On day two, I was told, a college row “like this one” had never been done before….. “normally just a couple of locals”….. but I didn’t know that. Whoopsie Daisy! We had stacks and stacks of brochures and info from all 168 universities – and a few college mascots as well. It was great!
But then, there’s the important part……..
In prior months, I noticed a problem with the kids and their expectations about college – just at the local level, our kids, for our own school. They had so many questions, and no idea where to begin. Parents were confused as well. The misperceptions led to students ‘settling’ for less than their ideal choice, which is a shame. No reaching for a brass ring. Something had to be done.
To focus the kids, debunk the myths, and figure out what they really needed, I developed a “statistical study” as a starting point. I asked about 30 questions, single sheet of paper, open-ended, and printed up 4000 copies, distributing them to all entrants at our main event. I thought I might get lucky…… was hoping for 100 responses from the kids for a bigger sample …….. I received over 1200 returned surveys. Wow.
Like lightning striking, with a big clap of thunder, we were onto something bigger than I realized.
Kids and their parents swamped my table with questions……, even following me when I went to the bathroom, like I was the new Obi Wan Kenobi and carried the keys to college money. I wasn’t and I knew it. It was time for me to up my game. I was no college counselor – but I knew a 168 people who could point us in the right direction. Over three days, we practically rubber-stamped over 800K in scholarships and saved one scholarship worth $25K a year. Not bad ….. not bad at all…..
After I got home, I collated the results of the 1200 responses. I spent a weekend and manually entered 30 answers – and their notes, for all 1234 responses, to tabulate percentages and reach conclusions. I was stunned by the results. I produced what I thought was a fairly professional report on the raw results and conclusions I drew. Then, I sent the summary/report/raw results spreadsheet to several who were interested at the home office of FRC, all regional board members, and my bitch of a Chairwoman. Got a LOT of phone calls from the home office and a strong hint of job offer with a transfer BACK to Boston. Funny that!?!
Well, I was fired from my ‘volunteer’ job the following year by the Chairwoman. Wonder why?!?
BUT……. momma’s no fool. I kept my lists and contacts with college admission officers. We walked our kids through the process and dozens of them received scholarships. Gunner landed a few as well. He’s flush with cash and sitting pretty.
Almost a decade later, I still talk to some of those college recruiters. My list has worn edges but I still keep it handy. Team mentors who became friends still call me. Every now and then, a kid knocks on my door for help. I’m still no pro, but reading the scholarship directions carefully and making a phone call to an admissions officer is worth thousands of dollars to those kids. We…. someone….. simply needs to take the time to listen to our kids, and match the students with the scholarships….. and many of them would no longer slip through the cracks. We need to find a way to hang onto the Kenny’s, for the benefit of us all.
It would help us build a better country.
PS – I wanted to add a pic to this post but didn’t want to include photos of student minors and other people who might object. So, here is a picture of the shrimp po boy I had for lunch in New Orleans. Q Tree loves good food. Nothing better than a “dressed” po boy.
Debt-Free U: How I Paid for an Outstanding College Education Without Loans, Scholarships, or Mooching off My Parents – August 31, 2010
by Zac Bissonnette
http://d.gr-assets.com/books/1355103283l/8840704.jpg
Paperback: 304 pages
Publisher: Portfolio; 1 edition (August 31, 2010)
Language: English
ISBN-10: 1591842980
ISBN-13: 978-1591842989
Product Dimensions: 5.4 x 0.7 x 8.4 inches
Another good trick I learned as a college student, especially for buying textbooks but good for any book:
AddALL The book search engine that allows you to comparison shop more than 40 online bookstores including Amazon, Barnes and Noble, and Borders.
You can expect the most complete book search and the best price Internet-wide when you use AddAll
http://addall.com/
WOW. I’m just – WOW. Tales from GEEK WARS! And a side of it that NOBODY ever sees! Very cool story.
And last but not least – NO GOOD DEED GOES UNPUNISHED. Right there!
My personal version, for the purpose of double entendre:
“NO GOOD DEEDS GO UNPUNISHED”
Whereas:
“NO-GOOD” deeds (i.e. “EVIL” deeds) go UNPUNISHED;
AND
No “GOOD DEEDS” ESCAPE PUNISHMENT.
We got in DEEP, Wolfie. It was a geek war, alright.
The SE Chair witch was merely an event planner hired to do the conference, long ago, instead of local weddings. The “gig” was good for her and she wanted to protect her turf.
She had nothing to do with robotics – at all.
The first time I met her, she sat down next to me on a gym riser, while we were watching the kids. She introduced herself. She was from New Orleans and so was I, but she didn’t know my connections to the city. She told me the high school she went to — a girl’s school, well known in New Orleans for having LOOSE women. When she said the name of the school, I lurched backwards involuntarily.
She narrowed her eyes at me and said, “And NO, I am not a SLUT!”
We kind of got off on the wrong foot……..
She was young and single and actively husband hunting. I didn’t like her. It was more about her than the kids, the job she was supposed to be doing.
I was more worried about my kids and our kids.
By May of his junior year, Gunner was top 10 recruit for “heavyweight crew”. Hey, I used to date the crew guys but had no idea what that meant, until….
One day, I got a call from the MIT Heavy-weight crew coach, who wanted to talk to my kid about attending MIT.
I damn near died. Thought it was a joke. Conversation went on for 45 minutes and he was serious.
Reluctantly, I gave him Gunner’s cell phone number and cried on Big T’s shoulder —- how the hell were we going to pay for MIT? The scholarships were a saving grace.
All three of the grandkids who are now in college or grad school got from a full rides to $30K, and jobs x 3. We are so grateful to God for that. Hopefully all the other kids will make out also.
You are correct DNW, seeking out and knowing how to apply is a key. The HS counselors need to be on the ball with information also. There are too many kids who do not have parents who have a clue, time, nor incentive to help the kids. None of the kids had the financial “needs” that some scholarships require, and most people think that just because parents are fairly well heeled, they won’t be eligible anyway. Not so.
You did well, Plain Jane, and have every right to be proud.
I was shocked how inept our counselors were at local high school. At our state’s math and science school, where Gunner really graduated, he had a brand new counselor. His transcript was sent to the academies, but his college credits from the joining university were never sent – it cost him entry to West Point, and it was a simple mistake. It was the ONLY thing in his entire application not in his control and the only thing which was screwed up. The school let him down – changed his life forever.
He was devastated.
Oh my, that is horrible. Has he overcome and forgiven? Hard to do.
Small world. GS was all accepted to either Annapolis or West Point, I can’t remember which. Wanted to be a fly boy. Had been saturated in aviation, war games, engineering, since a baby.
The zero military administration knocked him out because of a minor surgery at age 4. The surgery was the equivalent of a baby tooth extraction.
This child was adding, subtracting and multiplying negative numbers in his head when he was 5. Daughter and I weren’t very unhappy with the decision because neither of us wanted him to be doing the dirty work of Zero and the UN. We didn’t see PT on the horizon. God has other plans for our babies.
It was devastating to him. I honestly thought we were going to have to pick him up in a body bag, there, for a while.
Short story.
Gunner had about 22 hours of college credit from Univ associated with his math and science school. He had another 12hrs of Univ Mandarin from a scholarship offered by NSA for desirable languages. College credit worth an additional 10pts on academy application.
He wanted to serve, didn’t matter which branch.
He applied to summer session for all three. Out of 26K applications, only about 100 are accepted to all three for summer session. Gunner was accepted to all three.
Only about 50 kids attend all three – he did. 14 airports that summer.
Congressional/Senate nominations were required – Gunner broke a record and had SEVEN.
USMA – According to recruiter – Gunner was #1 recruit in the state.
USNA – the recruiter invited him to Thanksgiving dinner, Gunner was also a pilot and had been recruited by their crew team. One of top two in our region.
USAFA – the recruiter – this is amazing……. Gunner had a hard time getting in touch with the recruiter for USAFA. The school he attended only allowed phones to be used at certain time. So, I called and left a message, as a mom, which I am not supposed to do (supposed to be candidate who calls), and tried to explain why it was me that was calling.
Well, out of 3.7 MILLION people in our state – the USAFA advisor/recruiter – just happened to be Gunner’s Calculus Professor.
She adored my son.
Go figure.
His resume was unreal. We had sent him all over, earlier, because he had to boost his resume to get into the Math and Science School by 11th grade. Unusual in that most kids do a summer session between 11-12grade.
He was all lined up.
At the last minute, his high school counselor advisor quit.
New counselor.
His high school transcript was sent in, but not the accompanying university transcripts. He lost 10 crucial points.
It looked like he had never taken a college class or received college credit for anything.
By the time we figured out what happened, USAFA was the only one left who had not decided. His counselor called, personally, and it was too late.
Thus, at the last minute, we had to scramble to get him into a state university, and wait a year. He began his application again but this time only to USMA. Received the same nominations from Senate/Congress. Deadline was Nov 18, and he would not submit.
I called him, WTheck are you doing? He hung up on me. Would not come home for thanksgiving – did not speak to me for about 6 weeks.
Over Christmas, my Senator called me, “Daughn, do you want me to talk to him?” yes – please.
USMA left his application open until Dec 28 – they knew what happened and wanted him. He still could not get all the new letters of rec done in time.
I got another call from USMA – open until Feb 18
And then another call from USMA – he did not have to submit ANY additional info, no new letters of rec, they had his whole record already, they wanted him – open offer until March 25th.
I was informed they normally don’t do that kind of thing.
Well, by that time, Gunner had one year of college under his belt when he walked out of high school.
He just finished another year of college – all the physics done, done with Cal IV, he was ready to enter the college of engineering.
He would have had to enter USMA as a freshman – losing 2yrs. He could have been placed in higher classes, sure, but you see what I mean?
He decided to stay in local state college.
It broke my heart.
And no, it affected him deeply.
Everyone in his life told him ONE thing, and they were all wrong, because of a small mistake, he was screwed.
AND – the two other kids he helped to apply, with much lower stats, they both were accepted.
I was terrified he would not get back up on his horse – and I’m still not convinced he has.
Our GBs had a bunch of college creds under their belt before HS grad also. Those classes are priceless. Good HSs.
So sorry Gunner had to go through all that. I really wonder what God has up His sleeve for him. I hope it is awesome, and I believe it is.
Our oldest niece had somewhat of similar experience. She worked hard through high school, did all the extra curricular, and university level classes. Got accepted to the AFA and wanted to be a flight surgeon. Got to the academy and when doing push ups for PT, her arm and chest wall began to tremble and would not stop. She was medically waived, was given a year to seek medical help and return the following session. She did, and the trembling began all over again. She had to drop out and go onto another career. Now a human resources person for a national grocery chain. Like Plain Jane says God has different plans for us and our children. Finances and lack of knowledge as to what is needed to get or how to get money for college is a barrier to young people to get into or adults wanting to return to college. Daughn you are a treasure to your family and the town where you are. Blessings be upon you.
BBSS, thank you for your kind words.
I worry about him.
Then again, close a door….. open a window.
That’s what our niece said, she knew God must have a different plan. But, it is devastating to know he had it and one mistake cost it for him. Yah, has a better plan, I hope he pulls out of it too. It breaks a Mom’s heart to see our children so devastated. He had a strong up bringing, he will rally Daughn.
Our HS counselors sucked. There was no other way to put it. Because of my math grades, I was pushed to science/math fields. However, no one ever asked about other talents, like, uh, an operatic level voice, not that the music teacher would ever have mentioned it. Oh, no.
Really, I should have gone to a conservatory in Barcelona or Florence for voice performance, or at that time Indiana, but no. My family didn’t have it to send me there, and they didn’t think in terms of the arts as being a profession.
In the end, I worked at a university and one of the benefits was half price tuition to the night school. I have a piece of paper that says I spent a lot of time in a classroom and a lot of money. BS in communications. BUT, the upper level public relations and marketing classes have come in handy spotting all sorts of this conspiracy stuff.
And I also got real world experience at the age of formation. That’s one of the reasons I think apprenticeship would be more valuable for kids than straight up college and the hyper competitiveness. Skill development is more important than book learning, IMO.
Very true.
Given a choice, many of us would have ended up in different fields. Hard to pick one when we’re only 18 though.
Exactly. I am actually convinced, given my own experience and those of people with true vocations in the religious life, that if we were left alone to make the decision, it comes at age 15-16. The first thing that I wanted to do was write. My mother thought I was nuts. But, here I am making money as a blogger and author.
Amazing, isn’t it. Wow.
And just think, Dep. Some people never find what they love to do.
You were exceptional in that you had a gift.
I had a music teacher who was jealous is what I had. I was not known as a singer in high school, even with a vaunted choral program. Once I started training, my voice didn’t blend – and I have to hide it now or I will cover choirs, choruses, and 80 piece orchestras – and this woman was what I call a “blendite.” It was a thing in music programs in the 70s and 80s. Honestly, I sang a funeral last year, and afterwards a HS classmate had waited for me. She was floored. She had no memory that I was a singer. Same thing happened at the last reunion when I told people I sang professionally.
One of the pitfalls of being in an all-girls school with women teachers. They play favorites. I was not one of the music teacher’s. She was not a religious, either. I got along better with the nuns.
Ugh, the personal politics kills the ambition of so many. People who are jealous, uncomfortable in their own skins, should never be teachers.
Well, and this woman was young, too. In her 20s. She had an unusual combination of teaching credentials and so was valuable at the school. Her choruses and concerts were good, but she SUCKED as a Scripture teacher.
Too young to deal with your natural talent, and yes, she was jealous. It’s a shame.
And I didn’t go to her for training, either, but the grand old lady of the local music scene, God rest her.
A voice like yours is a gift, to be treasured – you should have been bubble-wrapped and protected.
Gunner came home with first real girlfriend. She was fluent in 4 languages, and had a true photographic memory. She had to have been on the Asperger spectrum, had a previous boyfriend who treated her badly and then latched onto my son — he was the great protector. She stuttered for a while. Hard time with eye contact.
Gunner brought her home every weekend for a long time. Pretty soon, the stutter was gone, she was self-assured.
SHE – was one of the smartest people I’ve ever met in my life —- she needed bubble-wrapping and protection — just like you did with your voice.
🙂 If I told you the number of times competition judges and directors yelled at me to NOT stand in third position…. “YOU ARE NOT A DANCER!” Sorry.
Hehe, now you’re making me laugh. Mom FORCED me to stand in 5th position for photos. Heck, I STILL do.
I still stand in third or fourth when I sing. The balance is just better. My knees don’t like it, but…
I’m so glad that voice CAME OUT finally.
Think of all the kids who are smooshed – permanently. Who would never sing, or try a discipline where they had natural interest.
What a loss.
And that’s what makes me mad about seeing the arts as extra. It’s not. Not at all. Just as an example, we talk about why Catholics don’t sing, and all kinds of things are thought up about the basic reason why, but the truth is, it was not our tradition, and no one ever taught the young ones how. Now that the priests want it to be, and the pros start up programs, we get, “Oh, no, not the highbrow stuff” which was considered junk when it was written.
I could go on.
Gotta sing, loudly.
Even if you cannot sing, gotta sing!
And then there’s the sculptor, and painters, etc. It’s a real problem, IMO.
Can’t believe you just said that one – sculptors and painters.
11th grade, son made it into the math and science school for our state, ranked #5 in the country – golden ticket.
I received his schedule.
He took a dimensional art class.
Huh?, I thought. He said it was something he always wanted to learn. Okay, son.
Next year, a sculpting class.
I looked at Big T and thought, what the heck????
He did well, the bust is sitting in my office.
Not bad.
School was focused on science and math, big time, but the music and art programs were also stellar —– there has to be a connection there somewhere.
Oh, yes. Math and music go hand in hand.
We’ve heard about the connection for a long time. He picked up the guitar and piano while there – then joined a hiphop competitive dance group. I never would have thought about it.
Along with the trebuchets, rockets, 7yrs of math and science.
It’s amazing what kids will learn when we let them run………
DP, I sure do get what you say. I myself was screwed over in HS. My mom was brilliant, but had to quit school after only 2 years of HS because of the depression.
My dad as very well educated in Italy. When he died when I was 10, she had to goto work, and concentrate on keeping us in food, clothing and housing. She didn’t have the stamina to watch over our education, and didn’t know my potential.
The HS was a private Catholic HS that didn’t offer me opportunity except a good training in secretarial discipline. The HS, because I had to work full time to save money for the university stuck me in a study hall every semester instead of offering succeeding years of math and science along with the secretarial practices. When I got to the university, I didn’t even know how to light a bunsen burner, and had to play catch up on math ( couldn’t quite do such a crash study so I just got by). With math tutoring from DH, when I got to statistics, I aced the class. Sarc…Thanks HS counselors..study hall B S.
You need to write that story Plain Jane. I would savor every word.
There’s a LOT more there.
If it could possibly change stupid practices in the HS s and their “counseling,” I would, but not even that HS is interested – still. Last year I tried to tell PR people who are hired by that HSbut it went in one ear and out the other. I donate a small amount yearly to their in house – university coordinated STEM scholarship, but I do it half heartedly.
Not ONE student was advised to go out of state by our counselor.
WTHeck?
We had one get into Stanford, and I gotta tell ya’, being white male from Mississippi with high test scores, was equal to being a black/eskimo/lesbian/Wiccan on the minorities priority list.
Colleges were clamoring for our kids to fill out the “rising freshman from all 50 states” brochure claim.
Wow. Wouldn’t it be nice if counselors were really trained in counseling. Just gonna get worse, because I’m guessing most of them are now getting saturated with psych stuff in their training from the lib universities, rather than the studies and planning aspects.
Amen.
My mom tells a similar story of her own HS which was my grandparents’ choice (it was close and it was Catholic). The nuns there did not push the girls toward college. They were guided to secretarial options and streams. They were Mercy sisters.
My HS was taught by different orders, one that actually has a university here. From the inception of the school, it was always higher educated oriented. A lot of us graduated with college credit hours, but couldn’t type. I taught myself.
In retrospect, Mom probably would have been better off where I went, but education wasn’t the main priority in their house. Putting food on the table was.
Times change but the realities of life take priority.
Yes, needing the basics of survival left a lot of people and talent in the weeds. Mom was a fantastic pianist. Had to stop lessons during the depression and I think, sell their piano. Lost grandma’s business also. The stories from that era are heartbreaking.
My grandmother taught piano lessons. Mom played by ear. Me = 7yrs of piano lessons. Finally decided I wanted to be a cheerleader.
I made all our kids take lessons. I took lessons for about 3 months when my dad died and the teacher moved and city busses didn’t go to his town. Mom didn’t drive.
My sister outgrew all local teachers and started taking lessons at a university in Chicago and got there by train. Since she was so advanced, my mom thought my sister could teach me. We pushed each other off the piano bench once too often. I gave up lessons.
I excelled in clothing construction and it was much needed in our matriarchy. So I got my kudos from that.
Since I already knew notes and basic timing, I picked up again as a teenager, but on my own just for fun…no teacher.
I see that Gunner has some thoughts about Linux v. Microsoft systems, but didn’t see any development in the post. As a usual commenter-to-commenter thing, we could go ’round and ’round.
Daughn — and regarding this issue only — it is OK to break the fourth wall and have Gunner contact me at the listed email address. Or contact me yourself. This is not for everybody regarding everything — I’ve burned my email down before and can do it again (and this is not my only email).
Honored Cthulhu. I shall. Thank you!
Here’s the back story.
In ’94, a local company, the largest publisher in the USA, was also a client of mine. It was the yr we opened the B&B. The company paid to have a T1 line come in so they could have a website/internet. Since we were physically ahead of them in the line, our website was the first in the state.
I hired a 16yr old kid to deal with the new technology. I knew his parents and we all went to the same corner church where I was baptized and married. THAT kid went on to the Air Force Academy. Became very successful.
After wandering the world, he came home for his dad’s funeral and to settle the estate, help his mom for a little while. He ran into another young woman, gorgeous, the smart one, who also worked for me when they were both teenagers. They married and now have 3 beautiful children and live at the country club. He is a VP for big software developer in Florida. She is a math teacher. SHE was in the delivery room, 2hrs before Gunner was born.
These two “kids”/students/young adults are like my own kids – now, all grown up.
Of course, he still handles our tech.
He configured Gunner’s laptop in Linux when he left for the last two yrs of high school at our state’s Math and Science School. His desktop was still configured to Microsoft. Only place Gunner really had problems was with Excel spreadsheets…. because he could not use compatible on Linux and talk to a professor about the assigned homework on his laptop. The school had a Linux system for something, not sure, above my paygrade, and somehow, Gunner ended up solving problems for that system on occasion.
Gunner’s current girlfriend, the newly graduated 5’10” honeypot Geo-Engineer, was having problems inspecting a hydro-dam in eastern Tennessee and copying the 1600 line program — because, somehow, Excel only had 1500 lines (???) and kept crashing – and somehow, Gunner solved her problem and saved her hours of frustration.
Gunner was a little jealous his girlfriend has graduated and out in the world. He was feeling out of sorts and glad he could help her solve a big problem.
My son is now far more adept at Excel – anything tech – than I am. He whistles through commands and shortcuts, prefers to build his own computers and servers – as most kids his age do. Gheez, sometimes they do build parties here.
THESE are the kids who told me about “Q” and 8Chan, back at Thanksgiving break, 2017, right after Q started posting. They have scary skills.
Lulz I bet Gunner would have a blast with me at a party! Sounds like he’d do most of the talking!
Michael, I bow to your expertise.
IMO – Gunner won the lottery when the parents were chosen! And so did his parents!
Sounds like the world will be very blessed by what is to come from young Engineer Gunner!
….and I’m counting Big T in the equation too!
At times, he would vehemently disagree but I love him.
Of course he loves you all too….there’s going to be a little smoke and fire as his rocket lifts from its moorings. Then swoosh!!!
Kenny is still part of my son’s friend group. He still shows up for various weekends and bunks in with my son. If I had enough money, I would adopt that kid. He needs parents. He’s a rough diamond that could polish so easily.
Great story Daughn.
So very, very good Kenny has Gunner for a friend. Following stuck out while reading your story, “Kenny is now desolate, no longer welcome in his mother’s home.” Guessing, Kenny’s father is not in his life either. Sad.
I do so hope, Kenny has family roots as he finds his way in life. Intelligent kid(s), OK, Kenny is an adult, like all kids, need good reliable family roots.
Bless you for securing a quality education for your son and others in an increasingly challenging environment.
The inflated condition of higher education is a condition afflicting our country. Too many are in pursuit of pointless degrees leading to unrelated jobs. All of this offered up on a plate by communist inspired lefties whose goal is to inculcate hatred for the United States in young impressionable minds.
The glut of students seeking useless degrees makes the cost for those seeking serious scholarship greater. This glut, with a few exceptions, also increases the size of the institutions and in turn increases the tax dollars going to these institutions.
Here’s hoping the President will succeed in increasing the viability of vocational education. This emphasis will need a change in the emphasis drift that has happened in early education.
Ooo, don’t get him started about the glut of students who should not be there. He rants about it.
On voch-tech, you will laugh. He’s spending summer working with ex-husband, contractor, lots of different jobs. Ex-husband is a treasure trove of real skills but he is bad teacher. Son is learning to weld. GOOD!
Welding is a WONDERFUL SKILL!
The Obama Admin guarantee of student loans pushed tuition up and put way too many kids in college.
You’re right, ColdDeadHands.
We need better plumbers.
Had my HVAC fixed = $800 bill. $500 for freon and a charge of $125/hr for service call.
$125?????????
And it didn’t work. No cold air.
The problem? It was a breaker.
Daughn excellent topic.
Observation over the years America has the greatest opportunity for kids because all is free in school except University.
American kids are innovative bright but often lack self discipline. Many bright kids lack maturity and we keep them children way longer than our parents were kept. In the past people had to grow up faster than kids now. We spoil them coddle them until 18.
Not everyone but many what I have seen. They get everything without having to work for it.
I do not always blame teacher mine were not allowed to blame teachers but we knew what they learned in school and sublimated at home with books from the library.
My husband was hell bend that they had to go through High School the way he had in NYC in the Fifties. End result 2 had partial scholarships. Daughter in science had full scholarship. Keeping the scholarship was their responsibility. They kept them and 2 received free ride for their Master one at Northwestern the other in Kansas. The one in Medical School had to take up loans.
This is the best country ever just not to many Americans know it and embrace it and pass it on to their kids.
Of course all of you here know it 🙂
OK, Daughn, cough up the location of that where you got that po boy!! It looks very familiar. I’m assuming Leidenheimer’s, right?
The Gulf Coast (Ocean Springs over to Long Beach) is not what it used to be. We were disappointed. It frankly –to us, at least– looks like they have never recovered from Katrina, lo these 14 years later. On the 3d and 4th of July the beaches were deserted. They had the annual fishing rodeo going on, but man-oh-man it was d.e.a.d.
Oh, should have left this for everyone not familiar with New Orleans …
“George Leidenheimer came to New Orleans from Deidesheim, Germany, and founded the bakery that bears his name in 1896. The bakery was located on Dryades Street, but in 1904 it moved to the handsome brick building on Simon Bolivar Avenue where Leidenheimer’s descendants still operate the family business.
“Originally Leidenheimer baked the heavy, dense brown breads of his native Germany but it was by producing New Orleans French bread, with its crisp crust, that Leidenheimer found fame. Leidenheimer bread is still unique because over a century later it continues to be made using the same time-honored process. In a city like New Orleans, where eating is almost a religion, producing the perfect French bread is a sacred mission to the employees of Leidenheimer Baking Company.”
—
“In a city like New Orleans, where eating is almost a religion…” Not sure I wouldn’t edit out the word, “almost” … just sayin’ … 😉
You will laugh.
When I met Big T, he stuck his nose up in the air and thought Boston Food was best.
Heh.
I took him to New Orleans, all my old haunts fro high school and college. Then, I put a muffuletta in his hands.
It was like he was having sex with a sandwich.
At Central Grocery, I’m sure!! Olive salad to die for …
STOP!! I’m getting hungry and I’m 500 miles away … 🙁
Have you EVER been to Felix’s Oyster Bar in the Quarter?
He sat and watched a baseball game, we ate 7 dozen oysters and pitchers of beer.
He still talks about it – like he was in REAL heaven – if only for an afternoon.
I never understood the power of good food until I moved to New Orleans.
There, food is a social event.
Dad gained 35 lbs in the first few months he transferred.
Parran’s Po Boys on Veterans Blvd. NW side of Vet’s and Cleary – in Metairie.
It’s where I used to eat lunch every day as camp counselor. Never had a better Po Boy.
Family owned.
Astonishingly good.
https://www.parranspoboys.com/
Know it well!!