Heads up, we have another Horowitz Committee Hearing in the Senate to Ron Johnson’s Committee. This hearing might be far more interesting than ShamPeachment in the House.
Note: This testimony comes after Rosemary Collyer’s strong rebuke of FISA Process AND after Devin Nunes has called for a complete shutdown of FISC Court in the interim.
Join us on CSPAN 3 for the hearing. We’re sure to get a few tasty morsels to drop today.
From Lady P
https://twitter.com/Susan_Hennessey/status/1207035348515201025?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1207035348515201025&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwqth.wordpress.com%2F2019%2F12%2F18%2Fdear-kag-20191218-open-thread%2Fcomment-page-2%2F%23comments
Is the OGC attorney with the misconduct still working? That’s what I’m wondering – Collyer is asking for information from the government regarding two classified submissions – October 25, 2019, and November 27, 2019. Or is the government giving Collyer revised information concerning “other” classified cases that the guy worked on?
Rom Johnson is Repub Senator in charge of this Committee.
We’ve already been through opening statements by Johnson and Minority member.
Horowitz giving opening statement NOW.
He was sworn in.
Again, no documentary or testimonial evidence to BEGIN the investigation.
We concluded FBI policy is NOT sufficient to conduct such operations – no oversight.
Steele info – central and essential to seek a FISA
Heading to work so I can be home to watch the RALLY and AG Barr tonight, but wondering why Fancy Pants Nan isn’t presiding over her House circus today? They are referring to someone else as “Madam Speaker”….did I miss something?
Optics???
I think the pic of Nancy, today, banging a gavel, would only feed the resentment on our side.
She’s crazy, but smart.
May be, but makes her look like chicken 💩. She pushed to get here, she should be front and center. She owns this circus
none of them wants to be the face of this disaster…not her, Schiff or Nadler
I guess they are off somewhere having a solemn prayer meeting🙄
Invoking Beelzebub, no doubt.
She know a flaming bag of shit when she sees one
MAYBE a Republican can start their yammer with, Paging Nanzi. Paging Schitty. Paging Nadsless. …
Nadler had to run hide in New York due to family emergencies
Failed to meet —- obligation that the FISA was accurate.
Fundamental and serious inaccuracies in Woods Procedure.
No meaningful probable cause.
Hold accountable all agents, supervisors, managers, senior staff, who had contact with FISA or Woods Procedures.
He referred the WHOLE chain of command for review and to be held accountable.
Wow!!!! That is great news.
Losing posts on WordPress this morning – dammit.
Not WordPress fault – sensitive computer. Booooooooo hisssssss
A snowflake computer? What ? Dis you misgender it?
Thank you, Daughn!
Hmmmmm, question about Mifsud he would not answer.
Classified 🤔
Unacceptable. “Classified”is Fed speak for nunya bussinss..so our criminal behavior has a veil to hide behind. Move along.
Ongoing investigation?
Yep…. follow X22 Report and IPOT on Youtube for up to date info.
My money on this one.
Ongoing investigation (Durham) SOON to be revealed…along with the FIRST of the Cabal indictments… Probably Monday, but MAYBE Friday…JUST as Congress recesses….and DIRECTLY AFTER ALL the Dems are on the record going along with a SHAM coup lead by TRAITORS who had ALREADY failed TWICE to institute their coup(s) under Russia and Mueller.
Won’t it be WONDERFUL to go home for the Holidays and have to not only answer questions from pissed off constituents on WHY you voted for this sham impeachment, absent a crime, evidence, due process, and an OBVIOUS railroad partisan hit job, but then to top it off have to answer WHY you went along with this SHAM Impeachment by people who are getting INDICTED because of their previous attempts. OH this gonna be GOOOOOOOODDDDDD!.
It may not look like it, but TODAY is the beginning of the END of not only the criminal Cabal of traitors, but ALSO the Dem party as a whole AND the partisan MSM media.
H saw text messages of agents wondering why Carter Page was still a target, why aren’t we reassessing?
BOOM – that’s a big deal – that is also proof that the subversion was at the top – that the rank and file contain some good people. Maybe WRAY is protecting THEM?
Look at the Q post one year ago tomorrow.
https://twitter.com/juliansrum/status/1207319709445771264
But……. that was last year.
Future proves past….several instances of Q post being relevant 1 year later
B I N G O!
Yes, and what we’re starting to see happen are connections to current day activities with 1 – 2 yrs posts (anons call them ‘deltas’, I think.) Future proves past.
Yep, JUST in time for ALL the traitors to go on RECORD. Schumer and the Senate dems will NOT get a reprieve either, there are MANY Cabal members there. After the declass and indictments, AND the House vote on impeachment, the Senate WILL vote 100-0 to DISMISS. It will be Schumer’s ONLY option. and one that will DESTROY him and his base. BWAHAHAHAHAHA!
Daughn – there is some WEIRD STUFF that they are doing to comment on future events. We don’t have to understand all of it – just OBSERVE and VALIDATE that it works. Basically that they can announce dates and later we see what they meant. At the most “anti-woo-woo”, they are simply using highly controlled scheduling as a bona fide. At the most “woo-woo”, they are scheduling and then validating reliability with “looking glass” technology. Either way, it builds TRUST.
McCabe – seemed to be extremely involved in Crossfire Hurricane, memory lapses questionable.
Strzok’s boss did not want him to head Crossfire hurricane because of relationship with Page and his tendency to go around authority. McCabe overruled and wanted Strzok.
Remember those “classified submissions on Oct 25th and Nov 27th of THIS year? What if I told you that FISA’s go BOTH ways…just as Q said. What if I told you that those submissions WERE FISA’s on PROMINANT Cabal members involved in this coup? What if I told you that those people have and have HAD all THEIR communications, meetings, interviews, emails, and MORE under the microscope for a LONG time?
What if I told you that Barr, and Durham have it ALL, just as Q said? Would THAT induce PANIC among the TOP Cabal, because THEY may be IN that surveillance TOO. YEP!. What IF the plans, perpetrators, and actions of those people were REVEALED, after the sham vote of course, to have SET UP, PLANNED, and CONSPIRED on this coup with OTHER Cabal, INCLUDING the MSM?
Would THAT pucker a few sphincters? You BETCHA. The overture is today, the curtain is drawn…the lights are dimmed…it is SHOWTIME. Enjoy the SHOW
Except … I thought FISAs and FISC warrants were only for foreign citizens (spies) or persons acting on behalf of a foreign govt.
So … which country do YOU think is named in those affidavits?
CHINA, Ukraine, the UK, Australia, Canada, NZ, the EU, Pakistan….
Qatar? Iran? UAE? Romania? Malta? Venezuela? Holy See?
https://twitter.com/LaddMcNamara/status/1207369388757643265/photo/1
AS I keep mentioning a ONE YEAR FISA can be had with the agreement between the President and the AG WITHOUT going to the FISA Court. Think Trump’s bashing of AG Sessions AS COVER….
“STEALTH” and “SLEEPY” right? Who appointed Durham again? Who FIRED McCabe again? WHO instituted the “leaks probe, and appointed Huber to look into the CF and FISA abuses again? Oh, right, Jeff Sessions
I always did think McCabe was the boss of that particular operation. Too many things pointed in that direction.
Strzok going around authority is interesting. That’s a new tidbit…and curious since he doesn’t stick to chain of command. What makes him special in that regard?
Strzok is CIA.
Bingo. You beat me to it.
As to the failures which occurred, we didn’t have satisfactory answers……. we couldn’t decide whether it was gross incompetence, which is a hard sell, but I can’t tell you why they did it.
Again, it’s why H referred the whole chain of command.
Is it a problem with the FISA process
No, basic stuff, hard to figure out their rationale (THEY WERE BIASED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!))
Wut?
Now H is doing a whole audit on the FISA process?
Moar Potomac Two Step.
FIB will say. We vigorously investigated FISA process.
– Regarding pass FISA. Mistakes were made. Held those responsible to account. Personnel issues so punishment details can’t be provided.
– regarding future FISA. Moar training. Moar process established. Established a “voice” for targets.
Uh, ^^^ my forecast. AND, it’s all BS. Dismantle FISC. STOP spying on Americans.
FISC will SOON be NO MORE. Wray had BETTER watch his step too.
That’s what I’m hoping for once this is all over.
How about GOOD BY PATRIOT ACT!
Failures range anywhere from gross incompetence (highly unlikely) to intentional but motives unclear (can’t read minds), yet all explanations were UNSATISFACTORY
Ron Paul is up.
H’s words and mincing of words, and LACk of conclusion, H is causing the problem.
Ron Paul – You did find bias with some of the people who were involved in the investigation
H – Yes, that’s true.
RP – but you can’t determine their motivation
H – that’s correct.
H strenuously ridiculously doing word gymnastics to avoid making judgements about the obvious. SMDH
They let Ron Paul question Horowitz? I thought he retired. 😉
Daughn left her glasses in the kitchen.
How did you know???????
RAND Paul
And Ron Paul was a rep, not a Senator, but as we know, Daughn has corrected it to Rand Paul.
OMG –
We have the Vive La Resistance text message from attorney who changed the FISA warrant.
We have evidence of bias
We have malfeasance.
Why can’t you say that’s bias?
H – that’s exactly why I referred him and why I can’t say it is bias.
Wow, there’s a good point by Ron Paul
FISA was designed for foreigners, not Americans.
Lower level of constitutional forbearance.
BUT if the warrant involves an American….. everything changes.
Paul has a problem with secret courts getting warrants on political campaigns.
American citizens were not the target
Chance meetings for George Popadop or were confidential human sources (SPIES) run at him intentionally by our government or foreign governments.
Note: even if this had been a CRIMINAL investigation, no notice to the DOJ was necessary.
Problem.
Remember Daughn, FISC and FISA’s are only HALF the problem. The OTHER 800 lb Gorilla in the room is what was ALSO misused BEFORE the FISA’s and that was 702 searches AND ILLEGAL unmasking by Susan Rice, Samantha Power and other WH officials. We have not gotten to THAT reveal yet (the SOURCE of the dossier that STARTED the FISA need) IT IS COMMING!
Excellent point. Hard to keep all the entry points of corruption straight.
Would be quickr to testify to what the FBI/DOJ/FISC does that is legal and Constitutional. The testimony would be over in under 5 minutes.
Interesting that Horowitz said McCabe had the Dossier 22 days before FBI, he got it from SDNY
It is an EASY answer, under Obama, they did NOTHING legal. ALL was to gather and KEEP power. That MUST change. Without JUSTICE their is ONLY TYRANY and lawlessness. That is why thes people MUST pay for what they did, and PRISON is NOT good enough for the chiefs and enablers.. it MUST be something more PERMANENT.
Question, what would the Founding Fathers have done to this Cabal, the ENTIRE Cabal? I think we ALL know the answer. If it was good enough for them, then it is good enough for US.
Rick Scott is up.
Scott – no oversight
Big Question – what other Presidential campaigns did the FBI spy upon
H – we don’t know and didn’t look
Wholly unacceptable they don’t know if other Presidential campaigns were spied on.
They really, really need to drop the secrecy BS.
What if I told you that ALL the Republican candidates, and Bernie, ALSO had “dossier’s” on them?
You’re a right-wing conspiracy theorist! And you’re probably a white nationalist, too! And a raycisssss …
/s
I say if THAT is all they got, that is so 1990’s, and WEAK sauce. They’ll have to do BETTER than that..by FAR.
Manafort has been keeping “dossiers” on people since Reagan’s first run.
Probably why FIB raided his locker…..
Yep, why they HAD to get Flynn silenced too, he KNOWS where all the bones are buried, ESPECIALLY on Obama.
Dropping the link for this hearing
https://www.c-span.org/video/?467350-1/justice-dept-ig-testifies-origins-fbis-russia-inquiry
Thank you!
H – FBI needs a change in practice and policy, consultation required with DOJ LAWYERS before opening an investigation and/or sending in Confidential Human Sources (SPIES!!!!!!!!!!!)
And when evidence comes about which undercuts assumptions of guilt, then it needs to go to a DOJ Lawyer.
Needs a better process to vet individuals who are (SPIES!!!!!!!!!!!!) human sources.
H – this is a failure of management. Got to make sure Managers know what their responsibilities are. They can’t make all these discretionary judgements on their own.
Scott – was Steele ever polygraphed?
H – no
Scott – surprised by that?
H – hedges, needs to talk to his team
And when a Confidential Human Source is fired, it needs to be added to the Delta System so everyone is on the same page.
In this case, Ohr was still talking to Steele, feeding info through the FBI, and other DOJ atty’s did not know the info was being pushed by Ohr.
Remember, the FBI, by LAW CANNOT spy on foreign soil, just as the CIA CANNOT spy on American soil. BOTH these practices were IGNORED..IE ILLEGAL.
So that means officially Strzok is supposed to be a choir boy, no spying here or abroad, because he works for both?
No spying for you!
I hate to pop anybody’s bubble but there was coordination between the FBI and the DOJ.
Strozk was senior FBI – L. Page was DOJ attorney assigned as liaison to FBI for the specific operation.
Not only did that not do any good as a control, but the two of them managed to make it recreational.
pg – “the two of them managed to make it recreational.” You mean like doing the hokey-pokey?
Betcha Lisa thinks that was Trump’s fault also!
Hey, Pgroup…it’s a dirty job but someone has to do it, right? 😉
Eyeroll
Maggie Hassan, layup question
Please tell us why it’s important for the OIG to be independent.
Wut?
PLEASE tell me this is who Corey Lewandowski is running against in 2020.
Hassan raises the question of — Do you need subpoena power?
In some cases yes, would be helpful
Past employees, grant recipients, private contractors.
We lose testimony and often they are the key witness. In this case Weiner nor Glen Simpson would speak to them.
and Comey only answered what he wanted to…refused to recertify to answer about classified material
Patrick Hawley was great. Up to 8-9 Senior people made false claims to the court and they did it 4 times!! And you don’t know why? I’d say it was intentional.
really? if INTENT and MOTIVE are such a large part of everything, then I can only be convicted if I confess–otherwise how can you KNOW what my motive is? you can guess, you can speculate, but not convict according to H…HOW ABSURD!
I just robbed a bank, got the money in my car, but you can’t tell me why I robbed the bank, therefore you can’t say for sure I even robbed the bank.
Sounds about right to me when it’s a Democrat IG Inspector who gave up his credibility to save his political party.
Hawley was terrific
Remember, he was state Attorney General for a while. He knows the score.
Yep, no bias there right? Horrowitz is a FIGUREHEAD…he is a rug sweeper, he DID, however, provide ALL the evidence that a blind, deaf, dumb, and DEAD man could see, find, and use to prove the bias he SAID he could not see. Horrowitz =SES bureaucrat.
JOSH Hawley.
Yeah, Josh, that’s him. 🤭 Thanks for the correction DP! At least I got the video right!🤓
A couple years ago, when he was running, I asked the local Republican people I know who to vote for in the primary. They told me Hawley with a sort of disdain, but he’s turned out to be really good.
I do need to talk to them some more about it all, but not until their kitchen is redone. They’re doing a complete rip out and replace, so their hands are full.
https://twitter.com/M2Madness/status/1207338921216151552?s=20
(to the tune of Santa Baby…LOL)
Santa AG…
hurry with indictments tonight!
If you listen CAREFULLY, Horowitz TELLS you who knew, and WHY he can’t tell you. He said ” as the IG, we are NOT the IG over the WH, the PRESIDENT, or the executive branch. The Executive branch is ALL he needed to say, yet he EXPANDED to include the PRESIDENT and the Executive branch in his answer…read between THOSE lines.
Meaning bad behavior went all the way up the White House.
Meaning CRIMES and AUTHORIZATION and ENABLING of those CRIMES went all the way to the Oval Office. I wrote that in my book nearly 10 months ago, as TRUE today as it was THEN, even MORE so.
BigMamaTEA
December 18, 2019 at 12:30
IG Horowitz is testifying today to the Office of the Inspector General
U.S. Senate Committee on Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs, Chairman Sen. Ron Johnson…..Here’s Horowitz’s opening statement
https://oig.justice.gov/testimony/t191218.pdf
Q drops on the Open Thread.
They’re filing back in.
Good thing I went on a provisions run earlier in the day.
Never mind. YT channels are on break.
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/no-individuals-have-been-held-accountable-wsj-editorial-board-slams-fisa-circus-theatre
The GoFundMe resistance heroes fabricated evidence and misled a federal court, yet nobody’s gone down…
More Qdrops – 3719 & 3720.
Now up to 3721