Need your help, folks. Calling all QTreeps.
Apparently, our little Coronavirus thread, and updated threads, are MILES ahead of the politicians and pundits on MSM (Sure wish we received classified briefings though, can you put in a word for us, Wolfie?) AND, I’ve found, publishing OUR link, along with a message of “We’ve been working on this issue since January. Here are 100’s of links, videos, sources, and hints. Be informed, not fearful”……… shuts down all political opposition. It’s truly stunning how ill-informed the media is on the subject (or they are intentionally misleading the public). The amount of DISINFO presents a hazard.
Nonetheless, our little thread has tremendous value, both as real information for those who are new to the subject or genuinely worried, AND for those who using the virus as a political weapon. I shared our thread today across social media. In the last 7 hours, I’ve received at least 2 dozen private messages of thanks and hundreds of short messages……. people feel better when they have information in their hands. Let’s give them information.
The current thread expires at the end of the month and I’m putting together a new one for the first week of March. Thinking we will update once a week until crisis subsides. Good idea or no?
Please, I need your contributions. Please post here, anything you have. I’ll be happy to sort it out over a long weekend and add to an updated thread. Please include a source/link, where you can and pretty please, DATE the source. I figured out a little too late that dates create a huge problem. For instance, I might type a brief sentence and say “yesterday, Laura Ingraham show”. Well, several days later, I have no idea WHICH day was “yesterday”. See what I mean?
Miss Gail Combs, I was wondering, nudge, nudge, if you could find some spare time, to provide us with a similar update like you did last time. If you can’t get it in by Sunday, I can always edit the post and add it later. Would be most appreciative. Where is Smiley2? I need you, and Aubergine, and the chemist guys, and info about air travel from FG&C, and Bakocarl’s tidbits, and everyone.
People are afraid when they don’t know what they’re dealing with, and we have reams of information. You guys pull items from Chiefio, foreign sources, etc. We always joked that QTree was an amazing collection of expertise, and we’re proving it now, when it counts. We’re fortunate to have different people with varying skill sets (medical- econ- VALUABLE hints from our grandparents- herbal medicine- Heloise-type-hints on how to keep a clean home/office) to add to the post. And it’s the only way to examine the whole problem.
Unless someone has a better idea (and heaven knows, I’m always open to a better idea), we’re going to divide the post into the following categories. If you think we need another category, let me know. This has become, very much, a group project:
- The dashboard from Johns Hopkins which counts “official” cases all over the world.
- Trump Administration response (the timeline and links to various agencies)
- China Responses
- Aggregated responses from other countries (I’m going to tear this one apart)
- Vaccine news and updates https://twitter.com/johnrobertsFox/status/1233156544520507393
- Speculation on how the virus started
- Economic impact and stories
- Hard Data Medical info
- Other medical info to boost immune system, herbal remedies, ways to keep your house clean and NOT spread the virus to others.
- Hard links for OTHER valuable sources/blogs and a brief sentence or two about what they provide
- Media Bias and debunking section, like the great article from AP News https://apnews.com/d36d6c4de29f4d04beda3db00cb46104
- Other news items
You guys are the best. Thank you.
All my love,
D
“Thinking we will update once a week until crisis subsides. Good idea or no?”
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But of course! 👍
The weekly threads will continue until the FAKE NEWS CRISIS subsides.
Beat me, whip me, make me write fake news.
Fifty Shades of The Old Gray Lady…
(with 50 shades working for it…)
Yes, I posted something yesterday that listed the bugs that have been in the “news” every election year for more than the last decade.
This is what I posted yesterday:
Thanks, DPat – I searched high and low without any luck for this after seeing Daughn’s post because it went thru my tweet feed earlier.
ADD H1N1 – 2006
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_spread_of_H5N1_in_2006
That is both eerie and suspicious.
EXCEPT – Ebola was during the Øbominable tenure.
Great idea, Daughn. Much has changed since the very beginning, when it was “bat soup and don’t worry”. We need to FRESHEN THE INFO.
A word to all who come here – you will see responses ranging from people who believe the situation is 90% politics, disinformation, and psy-op at one end, to people who believe it’s the end of human life on this planet.
IT’S OK – THAT’S FREE SPEECH. All points of view are tolerated here.
I try to keep an open mind, so I encourage contributions from ALL TAKES. That’s how we have gotten a lot of great stuff here.
I am proud of the fact that this site was one of the VERY FIRST ADVOCATES of shutting down flights to China – a logical consensus we reached VERY QUICKLY, back when that was considered over-reaction.
I am also proud of the fact that we saw strong evidence of connections to biological warfare very early, and that we continue to believe, for the most part, that it was an accidental or intentional laboratory release – NOT “bat soup” or any other kind of communist hoax.
I am even more proud that we continue to maintain an attitude of logical skepticism at all times, even against our own personal and consensus views. NO THEORY is impermissible here.
THAT is how we stay ahead of the crowd.
Keep it up, people! WWG1WGA
I’ve pinned this up to the top, and I’m going to encourage people to bring their coronavirus information HERE and not into the Daily threads, where it’s getting lost.
Hi when you say post HERE….literally this thread? I’d like to post something but wish to confirm where to post first. Thanks.
Yes, please.
I’m redoing a bigger post, like the updated ones we keep at the side bar.
Ok thanks Daughn!
Daughn,
I will do what I can.
My POV is Be a Boy/Girl Scout, be prepared, take precautions (It is a bad flu season # 3 in the last decade) BUT do not freak-out. Knowledge is our weapon. Also most flu is cold season so this will subside as a ‘threat’ in a couple of months
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hoEVPtVk9nE
Sorry – I pulled this post because I’m trying to stop Daughn from deleting old images, so I just pulled all your recent comments. Now that she’s aware, back to business. I noticed this is on another thread.
Yes, I’d prefer that fresh corona info go on this article / post / whatever as opposed to the daily thread / daily post / whatever you want to call it – Open Thread I guess is the best name. You can post in both, but Daughn is trying to get the latest corona info, and putting it ONLY there, she may miss it.
Hope that makes sense!
As for the other posts, I just want authors to be clear not do delete images, and I didn’t make that clear in the article, so it’s a bit of an emergency, and I pulled your comments until this is thoroughly understood by ALL the authors.
Your example solutions are not easily or properly implemented here on this site, and only two of our authors are IT whizzes (michaelh and T3), so the rest can’t see the unintended consequences of well-meaning but inappropriate solutions.
After clean-up, I’ll consider putting those posts back, but for now, I want to stop the immediate damage.
I understand…. my points were meant for suggestions and discussion – not for an automatic decision. (As are all of my points- I realize that I have a high level of knowledge (actually an SME in image creation and optimizing websites to be efficient) but I’m hindered by not being on the operations team due to where I live ….
How can I best provide my Input without causing confusion? I’m happy to provide my input (I actually get excited because the political details aren’t my forté) but want to help consult to the right place. Let me know – Am available offline @ MA_kswiss@protonmail.com
Are my posts deleted forever ?
Sorry for the confusion Wolfie!
No problem – I didn’t warn about deletions, and a combustible situation ensued! My fault. All over now. I may go back and “unhide” the comments later tonight. I may also recount this story as part of a lesson on the climate change folly. It’s a beautiful metaphor for why we scientists fucked up and FAILED TO WARN about the dangers of doing the obvious thing too quickly (I could have resigned in protest of imposed AGW “science is settled” and did not – we all went along with it – gotta have those pensions).
Just want to make sure that all the authors understand five things:
(1) don’t delete old images
(2) we like images – MOAR IMAGES!
(3) header images only in WQTH media basket
(4) all other images in the author’s OWN media basket
(5) endless new “own” baskets – have fun!
I may never understand my proof of affect here . And that is ok because it is always God given.!
HA! Don’t worry about it. Seriously. 😀
Think of it as me inserting a stop in a multi-platform multi-focal cybernetic program which was cascading out of control, debugging it, and determining my own error. I needed to remove a variable, the effects of which nobody except someone with root access was going to understand.
Someday I’ll explain more deeply, because it’s interesting, but not now – for reasons that will become clear then.
I am super invisible.
Don’t be invisible! BTW, those posts are now visible. EVERYBODY has been warned about deletion.
Lol Ok i won’t! 😀
I think I’m mixing up directives –
Was it my knowledge of images and process or my information of the Suisse shutdown of large events due to the coronavirus…. I assumed you meant the image content maintenance – and if so my last note holds true…. happy to help with my knowledge but don’t want to cause confusion to you!
It’s the image stuff, but it’s not your fault. I just wanted to freeze any further discussion of image file manipulation that was not coming from me and me alone, so that there would be no further confusion (already appears to be a lot).
No, it was my fault. “Duty to Warn” – about not deleting from the media bucket – which I DID NOT PERFORM. Easy for me to blame others, when I rushed out an article without adding the crucial warning – which I then did too late (now at the beginning of the article). In my rush to hide your comments, I hid the one on this article, too.
Wheatie and T3 were the first to discover the problem that the media bucket here is essentially irreversible. First they found that we were duplicating images – multiple copies of the same ones. Then when space started filling up, the idea of consolidation appeared, but we realized there was no good way to track from any given image to its use, and we had already been starting to cite existing images to save space. We were locked into the current images and duplicates, unless we chose to waste a lot of time in checking and editing old posts. No way!
Your image policies are proper for a corporate environment, and are a lot like others I’m aware of, or worked on. The problem here is that we’re essentially disposable, one-time newspaper, but we want to archive the newsprint as well. So we just leave the images up, warts and all, duplicates and all, too big and all, etc. Irreversible, because our greatest conservable is time and effort.
TOMORROW’S NEWS TODAY – that’s our goal! We have some torn papers on microfilm? Too bad. NEXT!!! 😉
I don’t know how your site works or what’s possible, but if images used MD5 hash filenames and went into one Images folder, that would solve the duplicates problem. Eventually. Images are bitmaps and that means at a lower level, they are just “strings in some format. MD5 or SHA hashes are used to encrypt sensitive data. There are generators and decoders so one should get the same result both in and out. There is a difference in line endings between Mac and Windows but I know some programmers who have used this to identify unique files so they don’t have duplicates.
Alas, we can’t do anything sophisticated like that here. Gotta be the vanilla interface, no custom code, no plugins, no money, no payment plan, no ads, no nothing. Authors have to be able to understand everything they do on their own.
It’s OK. The “BYOMB” (Bring Your Own Media Bucket) plan will work like a charm now. 😎
” there was no good way to track from any given image to its use,”
I am NOT any type of pro on this topic. Could a search engine, like bing.com , be used to do an image search w/ a specific image but within wqth to find at least some of the images…
Or is there a date for the image “upload” to the media file…so checking images after a given date only is necessary?
Could you ask the authors to only edit their own posts, but keeping the date thing in mind?
Anyway, leaving everything as is may just be the easiest way because it is just too much (busy) work to “correct” things in the past…
I created a couple blogs to archive my son’s & my carepages.com medical blogs to archive his liver transplant journey from both our perspectives because carepages was going out of business & all the material was going to be deleted. I’ve always meant to go back into those blogs & clean things up but so far it is so low on the task (& motivation) list that they pretty much just continue to exist “as is”.
Sometimes that perfectionism just has to go by the wayside or it seems like nothing can get done!
Thanks for your incredibly wise shepherding of this flock of Q-Treepers Extraordinaire. You are doing an amazing job & honoring us & the Lord in so much that you say & do!!! God Bless YOU Richly.
http://rlv.zcache.com/flock_of_sheep_bible_verse_cards-r9db4ce57f1f44b5ead606aa747484443_xvuak_8byvr_512.jpg
http://ronkelleher.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/121_flock_of_sheep_shepherd_700_x_463.jpg
That wolf in sheep’s clothing (or is it the reverse?) is Truly a Good Thing here at the Q-Tree!
Who needs a backchannel?
Daughn is the news now!
Amen!
As disgusting as bat soup and eating skunk (which was mentioned on tucker tonight) may be, that alone isnt the cause. Too much espionage and the timing is something else! Thin the herd, panic the rest, and bring them back under the thumb of the cabal. Destroy economic gains to make orange man bad for everyone. Its so thin of a veneer over what theyre doing. Im just kicking my cold after 2 weeks. I self sequester when sick. Everyone sleeps alone and toilets, light switches, and doorknobs get extra cleaning.
Prep like the flu and dont touch your face.
AMEN!!!
Gil,
I figure this is excellent training if it is a false alarm (and it is starting to look like it maybe.)
All the information we are digging up can pretty much be applied to flu virus in general so it is certainly not wasted.
Even if it is not particularly lethal, it still stresses our hospitals and costs $$$$ which we all end up paying. 18% of the cases are Serious or Critical according to current data.
What needs to be look at is who is at risk. If you are or have grandparents in the @risk categories, you might want to take extra precautions. Unfortunately with working Moms we now have children from six weeks of age to 18 years in a communal setting sharing germs.
Hubby and I do jobs at day cares and I see these infants in 6 and 8 child prams. We see kids with runny noses…
*http://strictlyforkidsstore.com/assets/images/rt48.jpg
The USA is not as bad as China but slowing any disease down in today’s environment is going to take care.
….
Most recent data:
AGE – DEATH RATE*
80+ years old = 14.8%
70-79 years old = 8.0%
60-69 years old = 3.6%
50-59 years old = 1.3%
40-49 years old = 0.4%
30-39 years old = 0.2%
20-29 years old = 0.2%
10-19 years old = 0.2%
0-9 years old = no fatalities
PRE-EXISTING CONDITION – DEATH RATE*
Cardiovascular disease = 10.5%
Diabetes = 7.3%
Chronic respiratory disease = 6.3%
Hypertension = 6.0%
Cancer = 5.6%
no pre-existing conditions = 0.9%
*Death Rate = (number of deaths / number of cases) = probability of dying if infected by the virus (%).
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
H/T ossqss @ ChiefIO
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I feel the same as dr drew. Its intentional misinformation and panic to herd the herd. Those at risk are always the furst to go, like the flu.
When I first saw that bat soup thing, all I could think of was Col. Bat Guano from Dr. Strangelove.
Or as we like to say around here…”Holy bat crap, Robin!”
*Ahem* I believe “the situation is 90% politics, disinformation, and psy-op”, and I consider myself a moderate on the subject.
And I’m old enough to remember the giant swine flu fizzle of 1976, and have been wondering exactly what the Federal government wants to inject into its citizens’ bloodstreams so badly. If I were inclined to get vaccinated, I might well decide to go to the Bahamas and pay cash rather than blindly accept the Obamacare version “at no cost” in the US.
Swine flu! AH YES…..
This is ALL political, period. As I posted yesterday. The “ never let a crisis go to waste “ people are behind this, they did it in 2007, and we wound up with a nightmare in Obama, this is eerily similar. While I believe the disease is very real, the hysteria is 100% manufactured.
I listed two ways in which Trump could call their bluff, one close the US border ENTIRELY until the “ crisis “ is “ over”. Two, nationalize and or mandate the manufacture, distribution, and stock pile of “ critical “ supplies, resources, supply chains, and distribution lines to 100% made and controlled in the USA. In so doing, the cabal would lose their collective minds, and REVEAL the scam.
ANY “ resistance “ from the cabal, would reveal to the public that either the dems do not care what happens to we the people, or that the dems were simply overblowing the situation in an effort to harm Trump politically. IMHO it is the latter.
I asked a simple question, does no one find it curious that the two countries being used to over blow the situation are China and Iran? Two countries strategically placed to effect the global economy, and two countries where “control “ of the narrative could be silenced, propagandize, and HIDDEN, due to the nature of secrecy of both regimes.
Coincidentally, BOTH countries are in an economic head lock by Trump…coincidence? There are NO coincidences. Secondly, if this were a true pandemic, these countries would be BEGGING at th UN for help $$$$, yet they are NOT. IS IT NOT ALSO “ curious” that most other countries have NOT SHUT THEIR BORDERS EITHER?
IMHO, this is a simple virulent version of the flu, which is being hyped to the max to induce panic and destroy, or allow cabal players to manipulate and destroy the stock markets and global economies, for cabal gain both $$$$ ( billionaires are made after events like this), and political gain to hurt Trumps crowning achievement the economic revival here. Too similar to 2007 for me.
Lastly, isn’t it odd that this happens just after another failed coup attempt in shampeachment, and right as major corruption and corrupt players are being exposed and under the sword of Durhamocles? And after the disaster that is the dem primaries, caucus, and debates? Kind of convenient for the dems in an election year don’t you think?
Nothing to see here, move along, pay no attention to the man behind the curtain. The sky is falling, climate change, pandemic, Russia, no look, SQUIRREL
I am not ruling anything out at this point.
That said, this crisis, manufactured or not, has gotten me off my duff. I’m stocked up again. I’m prepared. Always be prepared. 😀
I concur, prognosticatasaurusrex.
We were out to dinner last night with two other very savvy, like-minded couples and the topic of vaccinations came up (in general, not any specific kind). I mentioned that I would be reluctant these days to get them and much to my surprise, the two other women said…”oh, all of that has been debunked now…they are safe.”
When the researchers who compile data that demonstrate vaccines are most likely the cause of all sorts of neurological diseases that have popped up in the 20th century are either found dead or have their careers destroyed and are forced to sign non-disclosure agreements at gun point (yes, this happened to one woman), vaccines are not safe, and that is being covered up at all levels.
I’m sharing a comment from another blog where vaccines have been discussed a number of times. Also “Stella” is one of the originators of CTH along w/Sundance & a couple of others, iirc. Her corner is a cozy side jaunt from CTH. Here was the post to which this comment was originally directed:
https://stellasplace1.com/2019/01/07/vaccines-their-benefits-and-alleged-and-real-dangers/
God Bless YOU DP!
Valerie Curren says:
January 7, 2019 at 7:35 pm
One of my son Josiah’s doctors runs one of the 3 state “certified” (I don’t know the terminology but it’s a place the state requires people on the autism spectrum to be evaluated by, I believe) “autism centers” in Michigan & she’s worked with my son for more than 2 decades (though was not part of the team that diagnosed him on the autism spectrum). Anyway we’ve loosely touched on vaccines & autism in our conversations a few times.
As I understand it, she believes that there is a link between vaccines & autism but I don’t know that she sees it as causative per se. The concern, as I recall, is the giving of numerous toxic substances so close together in the infant &/or young child, especially when the child may have an underlying pre-disposition toward neuro-biological fragility. It’s like if you overload the child’s system with these toxins/diseases some of them do not have the immunological strength to overcome them…
I cannot fully articulate her perspective but it was Not a view that the people that think vaccines cause autism are conspiracy theorists. If one has autism or ADHD in the family it would be prudent to consider avoiding, delaying, or spacing out vaccines to lower the risk of that neuro-biological nexus of weakness overlapped by toxins/diseases leading to autism spectrum issues–my thought, not a distillation of what the doctor said.
I don’t know for sure if vaccines played a part in Josiah’s autism spectrum issues but I suspect that they did. He received all the recommended shots in the early years, at least up to age 4 or 5, but after being diagnosed on the spectrum I denied further vaccines for him & his siblings as a precaution. We re-entered the vaccination matrix when he was pre-transplant, having him & his siblings receive whatever vaccines the transplant team recommended on the schedule they suggested. However they were all teenagers then so this seemed (at least to me) to be a presumed diminished autism risk from vaccines.
When Josiah was an infant, & I don’t remember him having autism “symptoms” before age 2 or so, he was facing A Lot of health issues. He was premature, IUGR (Intra-Uterine Growth Retarded=very small for gestational age–he was 2# 6oz while his twin was 5# 4oz), had congenital heart defects (for which he underwent surgery at 2 months), & contracted RSV & was re-hospitalized about a week after his first discharge post-heart surgery with that infection & again for the same thing about 10 months later. He also had an unplanned surgery on his inguinal hernias when he was in the recovery period from his first surgery. These were major stressors on a young, premature, & relatively sickly baby. Having included the additional stress of vaccines on his system may have been that proverbial straw that broke that camel’s back.
I agree that much more research should be done on this topic. Autism is such a devastating & lifelong condition that most anything that can be done to reduce the likelihood of becoming autistic should be examined. There are massive burdens on the individual, family, & government support services when autism is involved. Some of those diseases mentioned would be better to risk than autism…
On a final note, there is a local radio personality in Detroit, Bob Dutko, on WMUZ, that has addressed this topic numerous times. He references some research that was done comparing similarly aged populations (some were Amish who didn’t vaccinate at all) to see if autism incidence was higher in vaccinated populations vs non-vaccinated populations. There was basically no statistical difference in the incidence of childhood illnesses between Vaccine & Non-V kids. There was a distinct statistical difference in Autism with the Vaccinated kids having a Much Higher Incidence. I don’t recall if of those people studied (there were thousands of kids’ data analyzed) if any had autism that were not also vaccinated.
Thanks for posting the topic, Stella. Very interesting & important.
As for neurological damage or influence by a vaccine:
Depends on
– whether the drug crosses the blood-brain barrier.
– whether the trauma of multiple shots is emotional or physical/chemical
– the effect of emotions and chemicals on the brain short term or long term
– the child’s own genetic/emotional/physical state
Science has proved that our brains can and do change continually, cumulatively positively and negatively, throughout life by many means, diet, events, actions, interpersonal interactions, medications, addictions, etc. This is called Neural Plasticity.
With modern screening methods, Scientists can see in real time and identify the effects of braille reading, drug and alcohol addictions on the structures and responses of the brain.
Other causes of childhood trauma and mental disorders include:
Lies and misbeliefs, viewing violence between parents, sexual abuse and molestation can also affect mental health of a child throughout live.
Extreme violence in the home is correlated with children developing psychosis, sociopathy and other mental illnesses.
Apathy, abandonment, absence, anger, abuse and addiction act as deadly weapons against a child inside a home.
That is fascinating but mostly not applicable in the early childhood vaccination scenario I was describing with my own special needs son.
However, he & his twin were pre-mature births (his twin in NICU for 10 days & Josiah for 2 1/2 months, home a week then in the hospital for another 2 weeks & a couple months later back for another surgery & week+ inpatient)…
Anyway, I’ve wondered if those early hospitalizations & surgeries may have contributed to his autism presentation. He certainly had severe sensory integration dysfunction in early childhood. On the other hand he was often in his own world but attempting to engage with the rest of us much of the time.
For the first 3 months of his life he only spent 2 days alone in the hospital without family with him at least a few hours each day. Did the less personal attention & care of medical staff & the necessity of more intensive intervention, like after his heart surgery at 2 months of age, lead to a degree of detachment or other dysfunction?
Because they were twins, once Josiah was home we usually placed the twins in the same crib & they always migrated next to each other. Back then, 20+ years ago, there was literature advocating for “kangaroo kare” (skin to skin contact, which many of us employed with him) & keeping twins together to facilitate the development of the sicker child.
Who knows, but God, what the impact of these medical “traumas” & separations might have been for our son, or for other medically fragile newborns. Keeping them on the “typical” vaccine schedule seems problematic at a minimum given all these major “traumas” & uncertainties, not to mention developmental delays (which might be a clue as the body is spending so much time healing/recuperating/fighting off disease as to not address “regular” growth on schedule, neurologically & otherwise)…
Though I have read a moderate amount, I’m not familiar enough with Autism research and statistics to say whether genetics, chemicals in vaccines, chemicals and/or trauma in the gestation or birth process and/or later in infancy and early childhood contribute to the development of autism.
I have not read extensively on this topic either, but have lots of anecdotal experience in raising someone on the spectrum & interfacing w/ many families & professionals in this arena…& I doubt that Anyone has a strong handle on what exactly might cause/contribute to autism! Educated guessing is the order of the day.
Scientific studies where one is double blind testing for only One factor would be difficult, if not impossible, to arrange with great certainty.
We don’t even know if our twins are identical or fraternal…but if Identical, only one is truly on the spectrum…
Correction: Our daughter has a recessively inherited (both parents must carry the gene) progressive neurodegenerative disease called Friedreich’s ataxia (FRDA), named for the German doctor who described the condition. The child has a guanine, adenine GAA repeat on the 9th chromosome – which causes an iron build up in the cells in the cerebellum, affects the cerebellum and kills them through an oxidative process, causing ataxia, which is the term for a loss of balance.
FRDA can cause many other secondary conditions – hypertrophic cardiomyopathy, blindness, speech and small motor coordination difficulties.
All of this is usually slowly progressive in most cases, although males seem to progress quicker and some patients die of severe heart problems in their teens and early 20s.
Our daughter is now 49 and has taken lots of antioxidants and has continued to exercise, with weights, resistance bands, and a hand cycle and she watches her diet. She’s persevered, done valiantly well, despite the disease.
In recent years, she has had problems with lingering longterm infections – sinus due to a cracked tooth that her dentist finally discovered – a dermatitis that we finally got cured and the proper shampoos and soaps to keep away. Then came the sepsis of unknown cause that caused her to spend a month in the hospital – 2 weeks in intensive care, a week on the heart floor, then a critical care facility…. oh man that was scary!
So – we got her home and hired a night nurse to be sure she was ok at night, slept in bed and got her proper rest and the first thing she does was fire the night nurse. Her dad lives on the same large retirement community campus and didn’t object, so he’s taking up the slack. Dealing with a neurological patient is never smooth sailing for long!
Wow, that is all so very intense…& you’ve been facing it for twice as long as we have! Hats off & kudos!!!
I remember after our son had already had 2 heart surgeries (at ages 2 months & 4 1/2 years) when we heard “simultaneously” (it was like back-to-back phone calls a day or 2 apart but Felt like one overwhelming blow at Thanksgiving) that our son had a brain tumor & numerous masses/tumors in his liver, that it was so much it was practically impossible to even think straight, let alone breathe.
After the liver biopsy Christmas Eve, about a month after masses were found, & the brain tumor surgery about a half year later hearing that our son was not a candidate for a liver transplant–thinking whew, what could be worse than open heart surgery & a brain tumor surgery…
Well, a year & a half later when they said that our son now needed a liver transplant & he needed a whole organ & his ideal donor would be a 12 year old gun shot victim…well waiting for some other family’s horrible tragedy to result in the gift of a liver for my son nearly undid me. It was exponentially worse (for me) than either heart or brain surgery ever approached…
And that special needs journey never really seems to end. Ours has become “easier” following the transplant for some of the organ toxicity that built up in our son for the first 17 years of his life was slowly washed away & he’s made significant developmental strides since.
He has come such a long way from when he was an infant & specialists told us he would never walk nor talk, never read nor write…
It’s all so bittersweet, starting near death & facing near-death surgeries &/or illnesses or in what sounds like your case where perhaps your daughter had a brief time in early life where things seemed “normal” & then the nightmare of “what’s wrong” set in & it’s a constant battle to keep ahead of the many challenges & complications…
There is no pain-free pathway & I so want to avoid all that heartache. Special needs is a beautiful gift of brokenness, but we really need His eyes to see & ears to hear & heart to understand just what wonders He’s doing in & through our children & even in & through us.
May the Lord continue to strengthen & sustain you. May He comfort & equip you, encourage your heart, carry your burdens, & show Himself fully as Comforter & Lover of your soul. May He grant grace, joy, healing, & love to you, your daughter, your ex, & all your interrelationships.
Thank you so much for sharing a glimpse behind that very private curtain. In Jesus’ Love…
My heart goes out to you. With our daughter who has a progressive neurodegenerative, there are some distressing and difficult psychological and emotional issues and unpredictable behaviors involved…and it’s been 35 years since diagnosis. GOD’s grace is sufficient, but I don’t know many parents, particularly mothers who havent suffered from depression, and there are many divorces. 80% of parents with children with disabilities divorce. We had at least 5-6 other factors contributing to our divorce, including plain old sin and childhood abuse trauma based immaturity on my part and infidelity on his part. Live is tough, but GOD is good. Psalms 27:10, Philippians 4:13, II Corinthians 1:3-4 and Romans 8:28….are very real and powerfully effective! .
I’m so sorry you had to face these things alone as a parent. Yes, God’s grace is sufficient…but sometimes the pain lingers long after the injury has seemed superficially to have healed.
I don’t know if any of this might minister to you, but I’ve done a bit of writing about PTSD, etc., at my blog especially as connected to special needs parenting. The word of our testimony & all…Here’s a sampling:
https://specialconnections.wordpress.com/2018/09/09/special-needs-parenting-trauma-ptsd/
https://specialconnections.wordpress.com/2018/08/18/complex-ptsd-personal-touchpoints/
https://specialconnections.wordpress.com/2018/09/04/special-needs-parenting-some-ancillary-aspects-encouragements/
https://specialconnections.wordpress.com/2018/10/17/special-forces/
https://specialconnections.wordpress.com/2017/06/13/thoughts-on-i-cant-do-this-special-needs-life/
This next one focuses on God’s gifts flowing through my son in spite of/because of his challenges:
https://specialconnections.wordpress.com/2018/09/05/autism-empathy-christs-indwelling/
This one is a lengthy encapsulation of the transplant journey (if reading other’s experiences might encourage you), adapted from my former carepages blog, it was the first transplant anniversary since starting at wordpress:
https://specialconnections.wordpress.com/2017/07/30/four-years-ago-today-a-transplant-tale/
This one is bathing old wounds in the balm of scripture:
https://specialconnections.wordpress.com/2019/06/25/rewriting-an-old-tape-of-lies/
This was encouragement to another parent, a single mom, struggling w/ special needs parenting:
https://specialconnections.wordpress.com/2016/10/12/commenting-on-caught-in-the-act-of-bad-parenting/
For what it’s worth, I still struggle with “severe depression”, isolation, & unresolved/unprocessed excessive emotional baggage (I hate dealing in the emotional arena & prefer to achieve some level of clinical & analytical detachment to cope with the pain). Sometimes I think some of these things are just my personal cross to bear in the special needs parenting arena.
In a stumbling attempt to conform to the image of Christ there is an ongoing & imperfect approximation of an element of dying to oneself; He must increase & I must decrease; & kernel of wheat falling to the ground & dying so as to bring forth a harvest in our offspring & in the Kingdom…I try to be satisfied & thankful for these blessings & lessons yet often fall far short…
Copied to read later – thank you from the bottom of my heart for your loving response.
Thanks GA/FL. God Bless & keep you & yours
I declined the flu shot – because a church friend got Guillian-Barré syndrome from the flu vaccine one year and nearly died!
I’m against any vaccine that comes from aborted fetal cells or from China.
Guillian-Barre is NO JOKE! I have a cousin whose husband had it 40+ years ago. She had to give verbal permission over the phone for a tracheotomy to be done just to keep him alive at the time. When he could get a French fry to his mouth, there was celebration. This guy has been on crutches and with braces on his legs since he could walk again which was more than five years later.He’s REALLY smart and well read person, and my mom’s cousin, a nurse, has really had a time of it caring for him, God love her.
I also sang with a woman whose husband had G-B. He was much more ambulatory, but what the disease stole from him was his singing voice. The wife said he had a beautiful Irish tenor before he got sick, and afterwards, nothing.
Arrogance reinforces confirmation bias.
Never, and I mean NEVER, rely on the opinion of someone who is arrogant to the point of conceit…
If they can’t explain their position logically, with facts, and if they don’t have the heart of a teacher, they are at high risk of spouting off their own opinions as if they were fact.
Closely related, is flippancy of response, a form of cavalier dismissal.
Just to be clear, there was not a “smidgeon” (my new word!) of arrogance…just a passing comment in a sea of social conversation. But, I do get your point and agree.
LOL Oh no I did not mean you! 😉
Thank you for your commitment to free speech, Wolfmoon.
No problem! NONE AT ALL!
Of the many truths that I learned in both FAKE SCIENCE and REAL PROGRAMMING, one stood out in both. Every failed experiment and every failed program, turned out to be useful for SOMETHING later. Whether it required some breakage, modification, or was usable “as is”, everything that didn’t work immediately for one purpose, would eventually work for something else later.
So it turns out to be with our theories here. They’re all useful – even the ones that seem to fail repeatedly, will eventually have their day, somehow, if only as a beautiful negative proving example.
And this general principle is why PC must inevitably blind us – because we LEARN from errors, if we are allowed to CONSIDER THEM.
Of all the things we’ve thought here, I can’t think of any that I’d pick to throw away now, knowing that I cannot predict how I might regret losing it in the future. Only FREE SPEECH can protect us from this loss!
“Please, I need your contributions. Please post here, anything you have.”
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There is a youtube channel I catch a few times a week while eating dinner, called ‘You Are Free TV’. The host is an interesting and sincere woman (I don’t think she has ever revealed her name) who seems to be aware of most all of the ‘conspiracy theories’ that most people around here talk about regularly, and she follows a lot of the people online who we talk about regularly here.
Her most recent video is not enthusiastic about the Corona virus ‘task force’ because the people involved are decades-long Deep Staters.
She has also been wary of Pence from the beginning, because apparently Indiana is one of the national hubs for child-trafficking, and apparently it would be impossible for the governor to not be aware of this level of activity going on in his state.
In another recent video, she raised concerns (I won’t explain this right) about the possibility that Corona virus was genetically engineered, and is capable of being altered electrically, via Huawei’s 5G network (she has a LOT of health concerns about the implementation of 5G networks).
I don’t know nearly enough about some of these subjects to know whether her concerns are well founded, but she is certainly very sincere, and I’m guessing at least some people here would be interested in checking it out.
The first two minutes or so are usually thanking patrons and advertising a few products for sponsors, sort of like Johnny Carson used to do on live TV, during his show 😁
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OVvf4xrxmf4
Her 5G concerns are not biochemically reasonable, IMHO, but if she dropped that kind of unphysical thinking, she does have a point, that if the virus is DESIRED by somebody, they could keep tinkering. The whole idea of 5G is unnecessary for her more basic concern to be valid – that this was an intentional release, and that it does not stop there.
Even if it’s an accidental release, the same problems arise. WHY are people doing risky science like this?
However, even if there are dark forces at work, it may likewise be possible to “anti-tinker” the virus into a state of complacency and “get-alongedness” with humanity, because THAT IS WHAT VIRUSES DO.
There is much about life that we don’t know.
I remain hopeful, and as always, I strongly believe that putting PENCE in charge of this is as close to asking for the hands of God to be laid on this problem as possible!
I trust Pence deeply and without reservation, just like I trust Trump – knowing that we all TRUST GOD!!!
The answer is in the movie World War Z. The zombies would ignore the infirm and the sick. The ‘hero’ deliberately infected himself and thereby became virtually invisible to the zombies.
OMG – I am so glad I don’t watch ANY of their product any more. But I’m very happy when people tell me about these movies, so THANKS!!!
I trust VP Pence, too. Our President would not have put an enemy a heartbeat away from the presidency.
Scott465, one of my friends follows this woman. She might have some valid concerns, but I don’t know why–I can’t listen to her, but since you do, I might have to reconsider. Also, regarding Pence, my thought is that the child trafficking is so huge, Pence may have thought it had to be Trump feds to shut it down, thus where we are now. I think there were major arrests under Sessions. I guess we’ll see who’s right.
I mean Scott 467. Lol, I can never remember that number.
It was just a randomly chosen number. “Scott” is always already taken, so is “Scott1”, ‘Scott2′, Scott3’, etc.
So after playing that game a time or two, I just started picking bigger numbers, to avoid having to enter all the data over and over again 😁
I should also point out that while she remains hopeful and optimistic, sometimes the weight and volume of all the evil that is going on (which she discusses) is a little overwhelming, so sometimes I cut it short and don’t watch to the end.
I don’t mean it’s overwhelming in the sense that it’s too much to think about, or that it’s too ‘dark’, or that it’s too much for my delicate sensibilities 😁
I mean that men are problem solvers, we can’t just talk endlessly about how broken something is, we have to fix it — or at least try.
And there is no way for me to ‘fix’ some of these things, so talking about how terrible it is for another 10 minutes — which many women are very good at — causes me to start shutting down. Like beating a dead horse. A really dead horse. It’s dead, and we can’t do anything about it.
If I can’t fix it, if I can’t do anything about it, it begins to become overwhelming to just wallow in the helplessness of it all. I have been made aware of it, and I appreciate that… and now I’m going to go work on something I can fix 😁
This remark actually helps me understand my husband’s communication style better. Thanks for the “inside baseball” perspective. Blessings!
You are very welcome Valerie 🙂
It can be simplified even further.
If something can be fixed, and we can fix it, that will make you happy, which makes us happy and feel appreciated.
If something can’t be fixed, or if we can’t fix it or solve it, then we can’t make you happy — so we’re stuck, until we find something else that we can fix or solve to make you happy 🙂
I enjoyed reading these to my husband & hearing his further insights what/who can (& cannot) be fixed around here…Thanks!
“Scott465, one of my friends follows this woman. She might have some valid concerns, but I don’t know why–I can’t listen to her, but since you do, I might have to reconsider.”
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Sometimes she gets a little ‘out there’, and at least a couple times each video I find myself thinking, you need to back that claim up, in order for it to be useful to your viewers, so they could verify it and pass it on with confidence.
But she is very aware of most of the subjects we talk about around here, and follows (and references) many people who are regularly mentioned here, as information sources.
I don’t detect any guile, she comes across as exactly who she is, which seems to be a very genuine, kind and caring person. And hopeful.
And considering the world we live in, that’s a refreshing perspective to experience, a couple or three nights a week 🙂
The fact that Pres.Trump keeps Pence so close is further confirmation to me that Pence can not be trusted. Trump makes a habit of drawing his enemies in and seen to be in close proximity. He builds them up to others to relax and to disarm said enemies. He includes Pence in activities that do not really require his participation at all. I believe Trump wants to know exactly what Pence is doing all the time and gives him lots of visibility while watching for Pence to carelessly reveal his agenda.
Just consider; Rumours and innuendos of major involvement in pedophilia and child trafficking were circulating about Pence from several sources prior to being selected as a running mate for POTUS.
Sexual deviancy is the common link to blackmail and binds together the foundations of evil. It is used to manipulate people to do things that they would not otherwise do.
Pence got sanitized. Both he and his wife were cleaned up in outward appearance.
His religious reputation was expanded and convincing to many of those whose theology is left wanting.
Now, should POTUS be removed by some catastrophic tragedy, Pence is positioned to slide into WH with the least amount of disruption to casual observers but would provide relief to those of administration who oppose Trump.
My text tells me to “test the spirits” and Pence is the best example of that directive.
I have never been happy with Pence.
He is too slick and ‘he wears his religion on his sleeve’
I also do not like the fact he was THE KEY in getting General Flynn Ousted. For a slick politician, he was awfully ‘gullible’ Good grief, OF COURSE Flynn was talking to the Russians and everyone else! How would Pence even know every move that Flynn was making? That was impossible. So why did he ALLOW that urinal-ist to trap him?
Also look him up in Wiki. He is PURE SWAMP!
Older brother a US Congressman, Law school => private practice => ran for office lost => radio show => US Congress the chairman of the House Republican Conference from 2009 to 2011…
NO REAL WORLD EXPERIENCE!!!
I am liking what I am seeing of Pence of late.
However I’m still concerned about his attendance at the 2018 SBC annual meeting. It was a huge distraction (orchestrated?) exploited by the Russell Moore/ERLC cronies to suck valuable time out of the meeting and stage a massive coup to get power from the conservatives back to the leftist wing of the SBC.
“I have never been happy with Pence. He is too slick and ‘he wears his religion on his sleeve’”
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I’m kind of ambivalent toward him, because just as before the 2016, I hardly know anything about him. He doesn’t volunteer much about himself. Most of this is likely attributable to his career as a politician, and career politicians have been the obstacle for our country.
The solution to that obstacle was Donald J. Trump, an outsider.
Pence is no outsider, and therefore, I don’t know how he can ever be trusted. Not saying he can’t be trusted, I just don’t know one goes from ‘career establishment politician’ to ‘trusted MAGA warrior’, because I’ve never seen it done before.
I’ve seen fakers, but not for real.
A career establishment politician is like an abusive parent or spouse. They always promise to change, they always say whatever it is they think you want to hear, in order to perpetuate the cycle of abuse.
Has an abuser ever ‘seen the light’ and fundamentally changed?
I hope so, but I’ve never seen it.
I do know this.
The one sure way to break the cycle of abuse is to escape and/or completely sever ties with the abuser.
The prospects for the success of any other proposed solution is highly doubtful.
And ‘highly doubtful’ is not a good campaign slogan, or a good foundation upon which to build the future.
I agree. I also noticed the fanfare he got at the Bush funeral. The way the swamp fawned over him and his wife, you would have thought he was the second coming. The swamp creatures were so cozy with the Penses, cozy as you are with people you have a past with and spend lots of time with and have similar values. I found it shocking to watch and also shocking to see how they lapped it up.
Now that you mention it, Pence also received an envelope at the Bush Sr. funeral, along with several people you don’t want to have that in common with.
Yes, he did. Karen tucked it away quickly.
After a little searching, I found this interesting theory about the Pence envelope at the Bush funeral:
https://grayseconomy.com/2019/04/29/exclusive-the-why-behind-mike-pence-getting-an-envelop-at-bush-funeral/
“I also do not like the fact he was THE KEY in getting General Flynn Ousted. For a slick politician, he was awfully ‘gullible’ Good grief, OF COURSE Flynn was talking to the Russians and everyone else!”
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As with so many things, was this part of the plan, or not?
If it was Q’s / DJT’s / Flynn’s plan to get Flynn ousted, in order to set things in motion, that would explain why Pence did what he did (and why Sessions did what he did, etc.).
If it was NOT part of the plan, then all bets are off, and Pence is a liability at best or a mole at worst.
We can’t know for sure what the truth is until the truth is revealed, and it is this lack of certainty which causes so much division among Trump supporters.
Trump is a master at gauging people, positioning them and then giving them all the rope they need to do what they can do ….. even if that means hanging themselves. Excellent points Gail Combs
Yes to all of this. He is too “perfect” to me and that seems fake, like an act, not genuine.
HEALTH AND SCIENCE – This is a LIVE BLOG – gets updated periodically –
Coronavirus live updates: New Zealand reports first case, Tokyo Disneyland shuts down
PUBLISHED THU, FEB 27 20207:10 PM EST UPDATED 14 MIN AGO
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/02/28/coronavirus-latest-updates-china-hubei-south-korea.htm
Please see the following for the full video . . . and some context.
Of course, we don’t know the future for WuFlu . . . the impact of newly developed anti-virals and vaccines . . . things they didn’t have for H1N1 in 1918.
Thanks, carl! God Bless You!!!
This is something I just saw tonight about Israel having a vaccine breakthrough:
Although, I have to say I’m not terribly excited about having to have a vaccine. Unless this gets to real pandemic levels, I just might say no.
If we get flu levels of compliance, or better yet 90%, I suspect that the herd will make it go away for the remainder.
Translation – I’ll get the vaccine for the both of us! 😀
[Note to new readers: I’m a vaccination pincushion, despite my support for voluntary vaccination and vaccination exception. Vaccination is a potentially dangerous medical procedure, and NOBODY in a free society should be forced to get it. That said, I love my shots, and have since I got my first polio shot as a kid.]
I trusted all the shots we got as kids, but not the ones out now. And not the way they give tons of them to kids at the same time.
No multiple shots – EVER. That violates the principles of the mechanism on which vaccination “works”, which are MESSY, because they’re an abuse of the system.
REFUSE multiple vaccination. Extremely dangerous.
Multiple vaccinations lead to:
Which one did/caused what?
Our immune system is not the tightest code that it could be. Vaccination is a bit of an abuse of that code. Multiple simultaneous abuses of the code are exponentially more likely to result in unintended consequences. The primary cause of this is a system evolved for serial challenge being given parallel challenges, which then exceed the design by causing instances to clobber each other through shared variables.
Vaccines are really haxxines. They’re awesome, but they’re a HACK. We have to be honest if we want to do better.
I shared some insights about this, in particular the possible connection between vaccines & autism, above in a reply to DP…here’s the link from the timestamp to that comment (hope that works for I’ve never tried this before)…Oh there are a number of vaccine discussions at Stella’s Place, start at the link I provided in my comment & then search “vaccine” at her site for more (lively discussed) info…she’s one of the founders of CTH I believe…
https://wqth.wordpress.com/2020/02/28/20200228-attention-all-qtreeps-need-your-help-please/comment-page-1/#comment-413419
Thanks!!! 😀
You’re welcome 🙂
What? You didn’t go for the sugar cube ? 🙂
I was already a MANLY MAN CREWCUT BOY with a rolled-up sleeve by the time they gave us that SISSY VACCINE! 😉
I’d trust an Israeli vaccination more than I’d trust one pushed by the CDC.
The CDC is total commie-land. It’s a noble purpose if the purpose weren’t just a slogan, but it has become yet another anti-american sinecure.
Oh really? Why? Because they are Jews?
oh my gosh, that was a bad reading on my part. I apologize.
Good morning, Ed. Do have a great day, friend.
Thank you Zoe. Same to you. Life is great these days.
Let’s give credit where credit is due! Israel just happened to have a research idea/process/system that needed testing and they just happened to choose this year’s coronavirus/flu to test their system. And boom – it worked!!!
In science, this is called a serendipitous finding or event.
For people of faith, it’s an answer to prayer, the intervention of a benevolent GOD.
As a 35 year veteran of having a child with a progressive neurodegenerative disease, I’ve seen multiple ‘serendipitous’ events and findings and divine interventions along the way.
Israel has also seen a number of serendipitous interventions by GOD that has enabled their tiny nation to survive in the Islamist middle east.
😉
This is an NPR article, but it has an excellent mix of information about the possibility of the Olympics in Tokyo this summer being affected. Don’t judge by just the title – the situation is actually COMPLICATED. Some people inside the Olympics are keeping cancellation under consideration, even if the official position is that the show must go on. Read for details.
https://www.npr.org/2020/02/27/810154917/olympic-officials-dismiss-speculation-that-coronavirus-could-disrupt-tokyo-games
I haven’t vetted this, posting this info AS IS and FWIW:
Dr. Gifford-Jones: People are dying needlessly of coronavirus
https://www.mpnnow.com/news/20200128/dr-gifford-jones-people-are-dying-needlessly-of-coronavirus
http://www.pno.ca/item/medi-c-plus.html
I took vitamin C during a recent bout of “standard” coronavirus, and it markedly reduced symptoms with every dose.
Linus Pauling advocated large doses of vitamin C when you’re ill. If you can find someone smarter to argue the opposite, by all means listen to them.
YES!
That is why I listed the various vitamins/minerals (with links to science papers) that help your immune system. I just tried the mega dose C with the other vit. & minerals (esp zinc) and it wiped out the cold I was starting to come down with in a day. (Horrible sinus aches)
I am trying a few of the herbals to see if it will help with the allergy/asthma. I am off the almost daily OTC pain killers and anti-histamines for over two weeks and feel better.
Looking at something like this for the kiddos.
ChildLife Essentials Liquid Vitamin C Immune Support for Infants, Babys, Kids, Toddlers, Children, and Teens Natural Orange Flavor Liquid Formula, 4 Ounce
Surprisingly, 1 tablespoon of chopped parsley has the adult daily requirement of Vitamin C.
When our daughter was sick with sepsis, I brought her green smoothies with parsley, spinach, banana, pineapple and oranges, a bit of flax seed and whey, plus a little milk for liquid to make the blender work. She seemed to perk up after that. There are very little fresh raw vegetables and fruit in a hospital diet. Everything is cooked and designed for mass production and legal liability.
The thing about parsley is that it also contains a TON of vitamin A, so it’s wise to be careful, though it’s wise to eat parsely. Bell Peppers also have a lot of vitamin C (and other nutrients); I think Red, then Yello have the most…
My niece makes Tabbouleh (sp?), spending (what seems to be) a whole day chopping parsely, tomatoes, oniions, and whatever else goes into it. Great salad, lots of parsely (and lotsa work, for her). She’s probably got a food processor now (I hope)…
I LOVE Tabouli (Tabouleh) but I usually buy it pre-made.
Add Moussaka, Dolmeh (stuffed Grape leaves) Spanakopita (spinach filled pastry) and finish it with baklava and I am in heaven.
I’m Not a scientist, but my father was a pharmacist, therefore very knowledgeable, and he believed in high-dose C when ill. I also know there is an iv c treatment for sepsis that is said to be very effective, which standard treatments are not. I would try this. I take a lot of c every two hours when I am ill.
My internist of several years ago, until he retired, said the same thing…at least 25 years ago! (He said 1000 mg every hour) I’ve posted it before but in case some didn’t see it, I just wanted to mention it again. I’ve followed that advice since then.
As an aside, another nugget he told me…at first sign of a UTI, start taking L-lysine….stops it immediately.
BTW, he was a believer in chelation therapy (for which the medical community attacked him vigorously), not only to flush out harmful metals but also for things mentioned above such as intervenors Vit C.
I hope he is still alive and takes satisfaction that his beliefs and practices are somehow now becoming “acceptable.”
Have no idea what an “intervenors” is but thought I should clarify the word was suppose to be intravenous!
Linus Pauling…
Styxhexenhammer666 has been doing a “daily coronavirus update” on his Youtube channel ever since this whole thing started. I listen to it each morning. He usually sites current statistics and then throws in his own two cents, common sense info, etc. Be forewarned, his language is very rough, but he has been ahead of the curve on the whole thing, IMO.
Good deal – he red-pills a LOT of people out there – he’s also popular with the libertarian and “long-haired” side of MAGA. Good deal!!!
Wolfie – Yes – he calls himself a Libertarian, but he is fully on the Trump train and just loaded with common sense, if you ask me. He’s also a Vermonter and thinks Crazy Bernie is a worthless commie, based on real life experience as one of his constituents. I listen to him every day.
Styxhexenhammer666 is a good guy, I watched his Utubes on occasion until they got shadowband/censored.
Gail – he’s still there. I watch him every day. He also has a presence on Bitchute and Minds.
Petition to impeach Moon over South Korea handling of coronavirus as cases hit 1,261
PUBLISHEDFEB 26, 2020, 7:49 PM SGT
Chang May Choon | South Korea Correspondent
https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/east-asia/petition-to-impeach-moon-over-south-korea-handling-of-coronavirus-as-cases-hit-1261
SEOUL – More than 730,000 people in South Korea have signed a petition to impeach President Moon Jae-in over what they claim is the government’s mishandling of the outbreak of Covid-19 in the country.
The number of infections continued to surge, hitting 1,261 on Wednesday (Feb 26).
The petition criticised Mr Moon for not banning all visitors from China, where the coronavirus originated, and for sending three million face masks to China. Only visitors from China’s Hubei province are banned from entering South Korea.
Yes, Moon is a bit of a dupe, which I hate to say about a “fellow Moon”, but there you have it. The Koreans could use somebody who gets Moon’s wish to work with Trump for peace with North Korea, but is a bit less of a CHUMP.
He is a liberal like SOX in Canada – Backwards Liberal Thinking is their POX.
LOL your insightful rhyming ROX 🙂
* Giggling *
Weekly updates are needed, IMO. I appreciate all the threads that have evolved as information has become available. And the media is doing a substandard job. Our researchers and reporters are top-notch.
Trump administration response: “Exclusive: U.S. mulls using sweeping powers to ramp up production of coronavirus protective gear” 2/27/2020
From the article:
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President Donald Trump’s administration is considering invoking special powers through a law called the Defense Production Act to rapidly expand domestic manufacturing of protective masks and clothing to combat the coronavirus in the United States, two U.S. officials told Reuters.
The use of the law, passed by Congress in 1950 at the outset of the Korean War, would mark an escalation of the administration’s response to the outbreak…
U.S. health officials have told Americans to begin preparing for the spread of the virus in the United States.
The law grants the president the power to expand industrial production of key materials or products for national security and other reasons. The biggest producers of face masks in the United States include 3M Corp and Honeywell International Inc…
Health and Human Services (HHS) Secretary Alex Azar told lawmakers this week that the United States needs a stockpile of about 300 million N95 face masks – respiratory protective devices – for medical workers to combat the spread of the virus. The United States currently has only a fraction of that number available for immediate use, Azar testified.
During an interagency call on Wednesday, officials from HHS and the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) discussed the possibility of invoking the Defense Production Act for the manufacture of “personal protective equipment” that can be worn to prevent infection, according to a DHS official.
Such equipment can include masks, gloves and body suits.
Azar said at a congressional hearing on Wednesday that China controls “a lot of the raw materials as well as the manufacturing capacity” related to face masks.
“Very little of this stuff is apparently made in the (United) States, so if we’re down to domestic capability to produce, it could get tough,” the DHS official told Reuters.
A White House official confirmed that the administration was exploring the use of the law to spur manufacturing of protective gear. Both the DHS official and the White House requested anonymity to discuss the issue.
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This info was given anonymously. If it is true, I am struck by the administration’s quick response, but also the fact that, even though they are trying to stop the spread here, they think we need all those masks and other equipment. That makes me think they are preparing for the worst and we should, too.
Great info! Some related tweets from over on FLEP’S thread….
I think it is also possible that President Trump isn’t preparing for the worst with coronavirus, but for ANY future outbreak.
It’s possible that Trump was unaware of the critical shortages of PPE in this type of scenario. We expect him to know everything, but that’s just not possible.
I can see him being outraged by this, as he was by the unpreparedness of our military when he came into office. He will correct the deficiency ASAP. This shouldn’t be an issue in the most prosperous country in the world. Also, he is a germophobe, so he must be appalled.
“That makes me think they are preparing for the worst and we should, too.”
Not necessarily. As Daughn explained in her last virus article, China made an aggressive attempt to corner the market on ALL medical stuff, protective equipment, medicines…. President Trump sees the virus as a useful crowbar to pry that market back away from China.
Peter Navarro is already on it. 4 pronged attack. been working on it since late January.
Has an interview with Maria Bartiromo I linked to.
Coronavirus: Japan to close all public schools for a month, starting March 2
PUBLISHED | FEB 27, 2020, 6:07 PM SGT | UPDATED7 HOURS AGO
Walter Sim | Japan Correspondent
https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/east-asia/coronavirus-japan-to-close-all-public-schools-for-a-month-starting-march-2
SMART. Now – here is something to consider.
Trump and Abe are LIKE||THIS. Japan would not be doing this unless it was getting THE BEST information from us, in combination with its own information. So suffice it to say that (1) Japan must have more of a problem than we do, and (2) they are getting ahead of it.
Japan has certain geographic and cultural advantages that have protected it historically. Japan can leverage those advantages HARD to stay clean of the virus for a long time, or eliminate it quickly, and acting FAST and STRONG is the exact way to do that. GET AHEAD OF IT.
If Japan is DRACONIAN, they could even save the Olympics. Make it as hard to come to the Olympics from overseas as it is to get Japanese citizenship! OK, not THAT hard, but maybe as hard as getting a work visa!!! Yes, I’m seeing the strategy here. Get BRUTAL on things and save the Olympics at the same time as the population.
I have no doubt that if Abe and his government want the Olympics, it will happen.
Agree – Abe is no fool – like Trump – he takes decisive action – and has been ‘getting ahead of it’ like Trump –
Wonder if there is a travel ban – or a closed border (Korea) is in the offing – it may be the Chinese have already been prevented from entering – fortunately for Japan – they have no problems with migrants.
Yes, that nasty globalist Christine Lagarde and her IMF buddies were trying desperately to make Japan take migrants.
LOSERS!!!
According to Dave of the X22 Report – Lagarde is being very quiet from her perch in her new globalist job – global finance is in a quandary and hemorrhaging badly. Trump is running roughshod all over the globalist financial market – and they do not like it one bit!
This virus release will be the biggest globalist backfire EVER.
Hahahaha! What I was thinking – we are on the same page with this one.
PT just takes what they throw and turns it to our advantage, every single time.
Release a flu pandemic? Ok, let’s close our borders and expedite manufacturing of meds and medical supplies here at home.
There must be wailing and gnashing of teeth amongst the globalist cabal.
Agree, grandma – notice how Trump has (behind the scenes) prepared us for this – Border Wall – Early Ban – List of counties from where no one is to be admitted (new) – Getting control of the narrative and DS CDC foibles – Team of Experts appointed to Task Force – he was way ahead of the curb BEFORE the DIMS labeled it as a ‘crisis’ – saw in a video the word ‘crisis’ appeared in tweets and MSM reporting – this is no coincidence – they WANT it to be a crisis – and PT wants it MANAGED!
He NEVER panics. Perfect President for our time.
Amen goes right there, grandma!
My Japanese friends have daughter, SIL and grandchild living in Thailand on assignment ….they had reservations to visit family in Japan next month but are now banned to travel.
Sad, Tea, it has come to this!
2.28.20
Takano is a flunky. Orange man bad.
“RIVERSIDE COUNTY, CA — Federal health workers were given inadequate training and protective gear when they were sent to care for Americans evacuated to March Air Reserve Base from the epicenter of the new coronavirus outbreak in Wuhan, China, according to a whistleblower’s complaint.
The complaint, made by a senior official at the Department of Health and Human Services, was filed Wednesday and first reported by the Washington Post.
According to the whistleblower, HHS staff at March ARB in Riverside County, and at Travis Air Force Base in Solano County may have been exposed to the coronavirus due to the lax safety measures.
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The workers had face-to-face contact with evacuees but had no training for wearing protective gear, and were never tested for coronavirus themselves, the complaint alleges, according to the Post.
The workers in question included about 14 personnel from the Administration for Children and Families sent to March ARB, and another 13 sent to Travis AFB. A Solano County woman was reported Wednesday to have the first U.S. coronavirus transmission of unknown origin, a development that could lead to the country’s first outbreak.
The safety risks were dismissed by federal officials, the complaint alleges, who said the whistleblower’s concerns were harmful to staff “morale,” according to the New York Times.
The whistleblower allegations prompted Rep. Mark Takano, D-Riverside to call for an investigation.
“I am extremely concerned and alarmed by the allegations a senior official at Health & Human Services has raised in a whistleblower complaint regarding HHS workers who received evacuees from Wuhan, China, at March Air Reserve Base and other bases in California,” Takano said Thursday.”
https://patch.com/california/banning-beaumont/workers-treated-ca-coronavirus-evacuees-improperly-whistleblower
That’s OK – I think if we GET BRUTAL here, too, then it will blow up on that flunky. Go in there, raise hell, and at the same time investigate the hell out of California’s “virus footsie” with CHYYYNNAA that seems to be angling for money. Treat California like China-occupied territory and send in a bunch of CIA agents along with the HHS and CDC investigators. Fix that place RIGHT UP, just like PR. 😉
Every COMMIE CRISIS is an INVASION AND INVESTIGATION OPPORTUNITY!!!
CA is a mess like no other. Its got significant problems in every aspect of noteworthy topics. Im grateful for the sanity island I live in.
Liz McD was on Fox Biz this morning.
She talked to all kinds of Wall Street types this morning.
THIS “whistleblower” report, almost the exact same verbage in WaPost and NYTimes, was responsible for action in the market this morning.
According to Liz, the brokers don’t have great info and “no confidence” in government response.
Why don’t brokers have confidence? Because they’re listening to the media.
I was a broker.
I don’t know $hit about medicine.
Look at the WB complaint:
—“given inadequate training and protective gear” – subjective analysis by an anonymous person, twig to the word “inadequate”.
—–“may have been exposed to the coronavirus due to the lax safety measures. ” , the anonymous person jumps from a subjective analysis of “adequate” protective gear to make a doomsday assumption about “what COULD happen”.
—– “safety risks were dismissed by federal officials, the complaint alleges, who said the whistleblower’s concerns were harmful to staff “morale,” ………. ya think? What actual federal officials did was dismiss the subjective analysis of an anonymous whistleblower.
—- and of course, we see the call for an investigation by a Dem Congressman from……… wait for it….. California.
—– with almost the exact same report in the WaPost and the NyTimes? Seriously?
We have Liz, on a major biz channel, echoing the the concerns of brokers, who think only 5 places in the USA are testing ( not true ). They are concerned about the lack of testing, only a few hundred (directly in opposition to Azar’s testimony in front of the House committee yesterday discussing almost 4000 tests already done).
They have BAD information….. and they’re listening to CNN and MSDNC.
*****they’re listening to CNN and MSDNC.*****
DING DING DING
Get news from other sources, and perspective changes.
THEY ARE LISTENING TO THE SES ‘RESIST!’ EMBED IN CDC!
I listened to one of her phone update with reporters a couple days before President Trumps conference and it was FULL of mis-information. Nancy Messonnier needs to be removed from that job ASAP!!
I will put my 2 cents in here for my ‘normal’ flu/cold prevention protocols:
I use eye drops and saline nasal liquid twice a day, and ear drops (Debrox) at night before bed. Keeping those pathways clean and moisturized is vital. We often forget to include ‘lubricating’ our ears, but those canals lead right back to our nasal sinuses.
I think it was Michael (?) who mentioned using lotions to keep hands from drying out and getting those skin cracks.
If I’m going to be in a crowd, I put a very small dab of neosporin on the inside edge of each nostril.
When I get home, first thing I do is wash hands with hot water, then cup water in my hands and sniff it up into my nostrils then gently blow my nose. I will also gargle with hot water, or even salt water if others have been coughing/sneezing. Alkolol (OTC In drug stores) is also a very effective gargle liquid.
Stepping up my game for coronavirus … I’m not convinced masks are worthwhile UNLESS you also wear protective eyewear AND have a proven sanitary way to remove the glasses and mask. I will wear protective gloves when in stores (which is best reminder not to touch face) and remove them as soon as I’m back at my car, turning them inside out as I remove them.
Being vigilant about not touching counters; using knuckles to enter data in devices; eliminating a purse when possible; not touching public handrails, etc.
Wash everything we wear more often. Perhaps separate coats that aren’t washable into another closet, and use only coats that wash. The sleeves of garments are germ collectors.
Increase intake of water, hot teas & clear soups; eliminate sugars.
Others have already listed the herbs & vitamins so I won’t repeat those.
That wasn’t me who said it but still good advice 😉
It might have been ForGodndCountry.
It was FG&C.
I mentioned I use petroleum jelly instead. I found that a combo of moisturizer + petroleum jelly mixed in the palm of my hand and then applied to my face before X-country skiing prevented wind burn. I use pure petroleum jelly around my eyes to protect them from pollen and dust. Since doing that I rarely get itchy eyes any more.
Some good tips, Alison. We live in a small town so aren’t as exposed as others might be….I would be much more concerned if I had to take public transportation and that’s definitely when I would wear a mask and gloves, etc. I remember my mother used to out either a dab of Vick’s or Vaseline
Just one other minor idea to consider….spend time outdoors! When my father had lung cancer, we were told that because he was a serious gardener and spent lots of time outside he had prolonged his life by at least a few years. The point being, breathing in good air is a cleanser for your upper respiratory system.
Great tip about fresh air !! And vicks or vaseline ‘barriers’
Hi Alison,
Questions:
What kind of eyedrops do you use?
Are the ear drops prescription or OTC?
Do you make your own saline nasal spray?
Thanks for the tips!
I use either Refresh or TheraTears eye drops.
The ear drops are Over The Counter and are called Debrox Drops – supposedly for ear wax removal, but they are a great lubricator – I lie on my side, pull my ear lobe down to expand opening and put a couple drops in. Your ear will feel ‘plugged’. Lie still for a couple minutes, then turn on other side and let any excess drain onto a kleenex, and wipe inner ear with kleenex. The ‘plugged’ sensation should be gone. Repeat with other ear.
I just buy the drug store or grocery brand of saline nasal spray. It doesn’t really ‘spray’ – I tip my head back holding one nostril closed and squeeze the liquid into my nostril. Some might run down into throat. I do same with other nostril, then bend i
over with head down and turn head side to side before standing back up and GENTLY blowing nose. It’s easier than it sounds and gets the liquid into the nooks & crannies of my sinuses 🤓
Copied – Thanks so much!
Zach Vorhies & Dustin Nemos Discuss Coronavirus Covid19, Fearporn, and What Lurks Beneath
February 27, 2020
Dustin Nemos
https://www.sgtreport.com/2020/02/zach-vorhies-dustin-nemos-discuss-coronavirus-covid19-fearporn-and-what-lurks-beneath/
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Zach Vorhies & Dustin Nemos Discuss Coronavirus Covid19, Fearporn, and What Lurks Beneath
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1&v=hrw0JPGyQ1Y&feature=emb_logo
Can we reuse our face masks?
I’m sure it’s probably optimal to discard them after each use…
But until they are more plentiful…in the interest of conserving them, can we reuse them for several outings?
No, reusing face masks is NOT recommended.
(Source: a video someone posted here within the last week featuring a WHO physician who demonstrated how to put one on and take it off.)
Better advice (British health ministry): wash hands FREQUENTLY. UK experts do NOT advocate face masks.
But why do all the medical workers use them? Is it a matter of lack of training on the part of non medical personnel?
Son of a girlfriend, and a physician, wrote an article which appeared in NE Journal of Medicine in early 2000’s about how ineffective hand sanitizers were.
WASH your hands.
Interesting. Thank you.
Dr. Seagel on Tucker just said Moisturize your hands before sanitizer. Sanitizer dries your hands out, making them crack, which allows more germs in.
However, from what I’m reading…yes without question washing with soap and water is the best but that is not always an option nor even practical. The hand sanitizers are a good back- up for purse or pocket and the wipes are good for wiping down commonly used areas.
We went to a performance earlier in the week and I had some of the wipes in a little baggie…discretely wiped the theater seat arms quickly as we settled into our seats along with our hands after handling doors, railings, etc.
Personal opinion is that I certainly wouldn’t throw away hand sanitizers…they are mainly alcohol and that has been used for decades to sanitize.
Medical workers have many patient bodily fluids they are protecting their faces from, not just viruses.
They are also used to protect the patient from the normal flora that can be breathed out by the healthcare worker, especially around wounds, dialysis shunts, venous access devices, etc. Depending on the setting it is not always for healthcare worker’s protection, but for the patient’s protection
Good points, Volgarian! Health care workers are in a substantially different environment than other public areas.
***Medical workers tend the sick.***
***The environment is the difference.***
General advice is that, if you’re running your errands at the supermarket or the mall, you’re highly unlikely to run into a coronavirus victim.
Even if masks were recommended, I doubt most people could wear one and take one off correctly, then throw it away in a bag to isolate it from other detritus, then wash their hands thoroughly afterwards.
I’ve run into two Asians wearing masks today. One the cloth type and one an N95.
In my little, rural area. 😒
I saw my son today and he shared his insight about the virus with me.
1) wash your hands do not touch your face.
2) get a flu shot if you did not get one.
3) eat a good diet and get proper rest not to get run douwn
4)do not touch doorknobs keep inviroment clean
5)when you feel sick have a fiever go to the doctor
6)no need to wear a face mask unless you are sick.
My son is a research scientist works in the medical center in Ann Arbor has great experiences with viruses and has a PhD .
This was his advice to me but he said each person needs to do what they think but much bad advice out there.
Unless we find out more this was the advice.
He said our medical teams are better our high gene is better and diet
is better than China.
He was upset how the media is scaring people.
Thank you, singingsoul, for passing along your son’s scientific advice. Much appreciated.
There is a lot of bad advice out there. UK media — well, at least two newspapers that I read yesterday — is trying to get the public to panic. The public know better and have been critical of their alarmism.
Yesterday, Prime Minister Boris Johnson issued a 47-second video with subtitles with the hand-washing advice, ‘That is the single best advice we can give’:
I was in London yesterday for lunch. Took the train and the Underground both ways. I saw one person in a mask: an attractive twenty-something woman wearing a black cloth mask. Sorry, that mask is not going to do much, especially as it is not a disposable.
The place where I went for lunch has small dispensers of Purell-type sanitising gel for people to use. One is in the bar area and the others are in the restrooms.
My special needs son has gotten all of his surgeries & most of his clinical care in Ann Arbor at U of M hospitals, which he calls our home away from home. No matter how scary the procedure (& he’s had 2 open heart, brain tumor out through the nose, & a liver transplant plus more than a dozen lesser surgeries) I always feel pretty confident placing his life in the U of M team’s hands. Of course, he’s always in God’s care & has an amazing relationship with the Lord. Glad your son is part of the Ann Arbor area team of pros!!!
Check this out:
Buzzfeed Smear Falsely Accuses Trump and Limbaugh of Saying Deep State Created Coronavirus
February 27, 2020, 12:57 pm by Kristinn Taylor 167 Comments
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Wolf talking….
This is very important. What this means is that there is some chance these folks were actually involved in some kind of plot. This just raised “DS” involvement here by about 10% in my calculations.
A PREEMPTIVE ACCUSATION of a SHOCKING EMERGENT TRUE BELIEF on a NOTABLE OPPONENT is a standard commie way to PROVOKE A HIGH-LEVEL DENIAL.
Allow me to repeat in a different fashion.
Getting an opponent – especially an authoritative one (or two) to DENY something very early, before all the facts are widely known, is a standard leftist way to PROTECT themselves on the issue.
So – based on Buzzfeed trying to provoke a denial – it is MORE LIKELY that DS really did have something to do with this virus release, or that elements in “the deep state” somehow conspired with the communists in China – perhaps to help them GET the virus.
The DS (politicians, media and bureaucracy) are SENSATIONALIZING, MANIPULATING and POLITICIZING this new flu outbreak – just like they do everything else!!!!!
….and if we don’t watch out – the DS/leftists will WEAPONIZE it.
They have no reverence for human life – no sense of fair play – no reticence to create chaos and pain.
…by fair play – I mean what President Trump called ‘working together for the good of the country.’
Look what all they have put our nation through in the last 3 years!!!
Absolutely. They are willing to CRASH this country to fulfill their utopian foolishness. Kinda nuts.
Nuts at best – evil at worst.
Respectfully, They ARE evil, at best.
They = D-Rats, MCM, COC, deep state, globalists… And, Pierre Delecto for good measure 😉
They, are pointedly working, conspiring to destroy America, for their power, their money and their ego.
AND they do not give a damn how many millions they kill to achieve their goals.
Remember they WANT to reduce the human population by 95% to about a 1/2 million.
Perfect example of leftist DS media sensationalizing, manipulating, politicizing, weaponizing:
Search ‘Pence virus’ on Twitter – you will see a massive effort by the Democrat twitter feeds to hype the threat and blame PDJT and VP Pence.
It’s the Russia, Russia, Russia and Impeachment hoaxes all over again!!!
Innoculation of a fake news sort…
Kind of a perverted form of projection… using the truth to foment a lie…
Guilty dog always barks first😉
Yeah. Now I’m convinced. Deep State is behind the Corona virus.
https://twitter.com/Alison4Trump/status/1232738174624907264
“Now we have the coronavirus” – Eric Holder
Pirbright in Canada is origin. Best source outside U.S. jurisdiction -> No U.S. export intercept! Orchestrated delivery to target.
Also DS actor means China has “clean hands” – they didn’t (themselves) release it in Wuhan. So when the propaganda says the U.S. released it . . . they mean the D.S. released it.
“We didn’t do it – was U.S.!” => China paid the D.S. actors to get it, ship it to China, and blame it on the U.S.
Pirbright = Bill “Cow Burp” Gates.
Bill Gates invests $40 million to create a ‘super cow’
https://nypost.com/2018/01/29/bill-gates-invests-40-million-to-create-a-super-cow/
Remember:
WTF: Gates Foundation Sponsored Training for ‘Fictional’ Coronavirus Outbreak That Caused 65 Million Deaths Last Year
https://bigleaguepolitics.com/wtf-gates-foundation-sponsored-training-for-fictional-coronavirus-outbreak-that-caused-65-million-deaths-last-year/
As documented here:
Trump: “They wanna kill our cows! That means you’re next!”
https://wqth.wordpress.com/2020/02/01/trump-they-wanna-kill-our-cows-that-means-youre-next/
PETA getting in on the act with Gates anti-dairy at Starbuck’s:
Idaho Students Protest Starbucks for Not Giving Them Free Vegan Milk
https://montanadailygazette.com/2020/02/28/idaho-students-protest-starbucks-for-not-giving-them-free-vegan-milk/
“The socialist Democrats want to shut down American energy, They support Representative Occasion Cortez – that’s a real beauty . . . that’s a beauty I can’t even believe it but I don’t want to knock it. Because the Green New Deal which would crush our farms, destroy our wonderful cows. I love cows! They want to kill our cows! You know why right? . . . You know why – don’t say . . . They want to kill our cows! That means you’re next!“
VSGPOTUSDJT knew about this Corona viral plot well in advance . . . and positioned himself in front of it
http://digitaldaily.allthingsd.com/files/2007/07/bill-gates_angry21.jpg
“Curse you Villain!”
Yup – I’m totally on the same page. This goes back to the plan Grathwohl heard the EDGES of.
https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2008/10/eliminating_25_million_america.html
70’s radicals. That is where this idea started. They’ve played dupes all the way along for the pieces they needed. Bill “Putty” Gates.
Say what you will about Bill Gates – the man is NOT stupid :-/
As for the Grathwohl testimony, this crew of people are all very connected.
Larry Grathwohl on Ayers’ PLAN for AMERICAN RE-EDUCATION CAMPS and the KILLING of MILLIONS
“. . . the plan of the Weather Underground after taking power. The same Weather Underground headed by Barack Obama’s friends William Ayers and Bernadine Dohrn, the people in whose house he launched his political career, and with whom he has worked and spoken on the subject of educational reform.
“Confederate Yankee discovered a video clip of testimony given by former Weather Underground member/FBI informant Larry Grathwohl, in which he speaks the following chilling words:”
Please check the spam bin, thx!
Nothing of yours there.
Oh and BTW, we know the Democrat’s (DS) plan. Levin tipped us off to what the Democrats have been putting in plain sight:
Mark Levin: The Last People I Want Playing Doctor Are Chuck Schumer and Nancy Pelosi
https://www.breitbart.com/clips/2020/02/28/mark-levin-the-last-people-i-want-playing-doctor-are-chuck-schumer-and-nancy-pelosi/
OMG, yes – I can see it now – they would double-weaponize this sucker (which was supposed to happen under Cankles, since I’m convinced now they’ve been plotting this since the 70’s). They would say that medicine needs to be MORE socialized – MORE controlled – etc., etc., after the virus epidemic. So they wipe out all the old reactionaries, per the Weather Underground radical plans, but then they play it the other way for tighter control.
Oh, this was well thought-out.
Also don’t skip over the “Massive Taxes” part. We’ve heard that SO MUCH from the Dems for years that we are desensitized to it. Yes, it’s part of their plan. A BIG PART. And no not just for the cash grab – which we know doesn’t work.
*https://wqth.wordpress.com/2020/02/29/dear-kmag-20200229-open-thread/comment-page-1/#comment-413385
Want to point this out real quick.
Why do Democrats want “Massive taxes”?
Well, why did Democrats oppose the Trump tax cuts?
What were the Trump tax cuts designed to do?
* Give back money to the middle class (Dems want crushed, enslaved, controlled, info limited)
* Repatriate America dollars, businesses, and jobs
The reduction in the corporate tax rate was to get the U.S. corporate tax down, so it would be competitive with the rest of the world.
Why do they want to raise taxes back up and higher still?
Drop the assumption that the Democrats are doing anything in the U.S. national interest.
The reason, of course, is that they WANT America to be economically uncompetitive with the rest of the world.
They want all the money, wealth, and wealth creators to flee.
It would be just like Venezuela, and all you would need to do is to increase taxes.
And just like that, you could crush the American economy.
And then what?
See above, Levin reveals the DS plan.
Feb 19, 2017, 12:40am
Bill Gates Warns Of Epidemic That Could Kill Over 30 Million People
Bruce Y. Lee
Senior Contributor
https://www.forbes.com/sites/brucelee/2017/02/19/bill-gates-warns-of-epidemic-that-will-kill-over-30-million-people/
Gates
And
Bruce
Yeah giving Rush the Presidential Medal of Freedom at SOTU was genius.
* Honored Rush Limbaugh publicly as the American hero he is
* Properly drew attention to him and his fight with cancer
* Forced the Democrats to watch
* Deputized Rush on his side
* Coded message from Trump directed toward Obama and DS – coded, but heard loud and clear. Obama strategically abused his power to give the Presidential Medal of Freedom – Biden, Gates, others of his cronies. Did he abuse it to deputize people to his operation? If so, Trump is hijacking their messaging and intentions. “You take their game and you shove it right back in their face. The team that is finally willing to do this is the team that has a chance to put them down.”
Now DS is on the attack against Rush – he’s a live threat again, not just an annoyance.
Wasn’t Buzzfeed one of the early “sources”/recipients of the Clinton/Steele “dossier” (pack of lies)? Would that be relevant some how?
Relevant? Yes. Buzzfeed is a weaponized FAKE NEWS front.
When the MCM can’t push a story directly to the mainstream, they use an outfit like Buzzfeed as a convenient news feeder.
On the dossier no MCM outlet would touch it. Only when Buzzfeed reported it did CNN pick it up.
So it’s actually Faker Fake News!
LOL Yes exactly!
Yes – they have a real agenda. I give them ENORMOUS side-eye!!!
An important observation is that all the major players are dancing around this origin issue. No one is going to come out and say it is DS. Most likely the MCM already has their marching orders on this and are ready to pounce on anyone with the “muh conspiracy” talking points. That’s why this is being baited, and/or bait and switch to get a denial. Either option is fine – it’s a WIN/WIN to get this accusation out there.
* EITHER get Rush et al. to go on record DENYING it . . .
* OR get Rush et al. in a media ambush when they AFFIRM it.
Backchannel knows playbook, must remain silent. It’s ok, we are ready.
There will never be a clear confirmation – only coded messages.
And there have been coded messages . . .
*https://wqth.wordpress.com/2020/02/26/20200226-alex-azar-and-other-govt-officials-testifying-on-coronavirus/comment-page-1/#comment-411712
. . . Listen to Azar during the briefing . . .
He said “well calibrated”
36:55 actions taken with the strong support of
36:57 his scientific advisors have proven to
37:00 be appropriate wise and well calibrated
37:03 to the situation we’re grateful for the
Now who was it who introduced us to this usage of the word “calibrated”? July 24th 2009?
This morning
60 – CoV19 patients in USA
42 – from the Diamond Princess cruise ship
15 – mostly from travel to China
Johns Hopkins map:
https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6
We have to consider and recognize that the news coverage is adding to the alarm.
IF they did the same global map for normal winter flu, that map would look a lot worse.
Similar maps for drug ODs, STDs, auto accidents or abortions would also be extremely alarming.
Re: STDs in USA and Western nations – there is all too frequently a Syndemic situation – where the patient has multiple concurrent STDs.
In a sense, this is worse than an epidemic or pandemic from the attending physician’s point of view – because having multiple diseases complicates and even prevents some treatments – because medication for one STD can exacerbate/aggravate the other STDs and their symptoms.
On top of that – several STDs are incurable (HIV, HPV, Herpes, Hepatitis, Super-gonorrhea) so only the symptoms can be treated.
On top of that, these patients are often unwilling to cease and desist from spreading the disease, unwilling to take medications due to lack of discipline, lifestyle problems such as drug/alcohol addiction, mental health issues, or the unpleasant side effects.
Addendum:
This morning
60 – CoV19 patients in USA
42 – from the Diamond Princess cruise ship
15 – mostly from travel to China
1 – secondary infection of close family member of China traveler.
1 – unknown cause case in California, being called ‘community spread’ though that has not been proved.
Sorry – Just to be clear – The last 2 are included in the total of 60 US cases.
Concerning the last three numbers. 6 are recovered.
Good point — I’ve neglected to check that out.
As I understand it, one, is in a bad way. I think those were President Trump’s words at the press conference. I read, in a bad way to be pneumonia, ICU… Hopefully the person was in reasonably good health, non-smoker…
And HOW do they know about that “community acquired” one….WHY did they test THAT person who, by all accounts, was not considered to be at high risk.
Maybe she showed the symptoms and asked to be tested…?
Because the University of California -Davis hospital RAISED HADES after the very ill woman was transferred to THEIR hospital! (Think Janet Napolitano….) It still took three days to get the testing and results.
Yes. President Trump made the point at the opening of the press conference a couple days ago, annual flu kills 29K – 60k every year. Well, numbers sort of like that.
The concept is the point. The comparison. Keep it in perspective. Gotta stop Corona. Not catch the flu. Yada, yada.
Folks here get it. MCM ignores the obvious, to promote hysteria and TRY to destroy President Trump.
Exactly right!
I’m one of the “this is being conflated to effect the election” sorts here. However, due to one of my regular activities being vocal music (if I’m sick, I can’t sing), avoiding getting sick is kind of a way of life, even if it isn’t for the other members of this household. From everything I understand once the science data and other forest type trees are digested, and we get to the bottom line, it sounds like the way to beat this bug is the same way we’ve beaten all the others with mega doses of vitamin C being added to the zinc lozenges if one actually does start to feel not well.
So, how to keep well when not a member of the medical profession where far more drastic measures need to be taken as described on these threads.
Get plenty of sleep, and avoid getting over tired
Avoid sugar, grains, legumes, boxed foods, and stick to whole foods with a lot of fruits and veggies thrown in
Avoid crowds, and that means going to the grocery store NOT on Saturday
Always wipe down grocery carts with sanitizing wipes. I carry a travel packet in my purse as well as hand sanitizer
Wash hands, wash hands, wash hands – repeat as necessary
Stay moisturized – personally I use cocoa butter, and other natural oils and cuticle creams
Nasal irrigation daily – neti pot or nasal saline to rinse out the passages blowing the nose to get anything collected in there out, especially after being in a crowd
Wash clothes, clean the house, etc.
During non-election years, you don’t hear about it much, but where I live, a lot of times we do have so much “crud” as all the cold and flu bugs are known, that schools will close for a few days to get kids well and for the adults to have the time to wash down everything in them – desks, floors, door knobs, etc. – with Clorox. One time, a car service place we frequent suspended that service because so many of the mechanics were sick, they closed the shop for a few days to get everyone well.
I see the same thing happening here with magnified publicity, and travel bans. Common sense stuff. This can be beaten if we keep our cool and do our part in every day life. Just remember that the human race has survived epidemics for centuries.
All good advice. I would add to your list keeping a can of Lysol by the front door, and giving your shoes a spray when you come inside. Even if you take them off in a foyer or mudroom, they are still huge germ carriers. And we touch them every time we put them on.
The other thing is to avoid stressful situations if possible. Stress always compromises me. I know darn well and good it is not completely avoidable, but reducing stress helps the body in more ways than we can imagine.
Also, while I’m thinking about it, wipe down equipment at public gyms if that is where one exercises. Those places are nasty incubators.
STAY OUT OF PUBLIC RESTROOMS!
E.M. Smith calls them viral exchange facilities. He mentioned that when you flush feces the fomites can hang around in the air for 20 minutes. It is now know the virus is in pee and feces.
Avoid crowds, and that means going to the grocery store NOT on Saturday
^^^ We’ve adopted 8PM to 6 AM.
Actually, my local groceries, Target, etc….on Saturday morning before ten they are dead as a door nail. Mid-STL County tends to sleep in. The afternoon, OTOH, good luck finding a parking spot.
But, I generally go during the week.
Another thing to consider when shopping is that your grocery store has had its best cleaning over night and this goes for most services everywhere.
2.28.20
Update on North CA woman with UO of virus.
“The California patient who tested positive for the coronavirus days after being hospitalized is in serious condition and intubated, California Rep. John Garamendi told CNN’s Erin Burnett.
The Solano County woman has puzzled health officials, who say they have not been able to trace where she contracted the virus. The patient didn’t have any relevant travel history, exposure to another known patient and wasn’t one of the evacuees repatriated from China, officials said.
“This does appear to be a person who genuinely did acquire their illness in the community,” Solano County Public Health Officer Dr. Bela Matyas said in a news conference Thursday.”
ttps://ktla.com/news/california/solano-county-woman-with-unknown-origin-of-coronavirus-is-in-serious-condition/
https://ktla.com/news/california/solano-county-woman-with-unknown-origin-of-coronavirus-is-in-serious-condition/
Well, California has had the earliest and the most cases of CoC19 of any other state.
California is also a prime environment for spreading bacteria and viruses.
Thanks to the open borders, dirty streets, drugs, licentious sexual behaviors, people camping out on the streets, pooping, peeing, barfing, all over the place, etc.
About the Solano County woman…
Ah. That definitely makes a quick connection.
I am going on the assumption that exposure to this virus eventually is inevitable. So with that in mind, the time is NOW to boost your immune system as much as possible to help you ward it off or have a mild case when you are exposed.
This is a list of some supplements and foods that are immune boosting. There are others, these are just the ones I use regularly. Remember, a good diet is a good immune system, supplements alone won’t do it! Lots of my go-to list are foods:
Elderberry
Echinacea
Reishi mushroom
Cinnamon
Holy basil/Tulsi
Siberian ginseng (helps with stress, which causes illness)
Garlic (fresh/raw is best)
Vitamin C – foods are best, but I supplement, too. Eat an orange with your vitamin C, it will help absorption
Probiotics and fermented foods
As Deplorable Patriot mentioned above, avoiding stress is helpful. Stress reduces immunity.
Get enough sleep! Your body systems heal in your sleep. Develop a nighttime routine that helps you fall asleep easily. One reason I think many people don’t sleep well now is screen time; you need at least an hour or two without a screen (or you need blue-light blockers) before bedtime. Chamomile tea, valerian, or melatonin can help. Also, make sure you are getting enough magnesium, it assists with deeper sleep.
Most of us will be fine, even if we contract coronavirus.
Put a sprinkling of cinnamon on top of your coffee grounds before brewing. Tastes great, helps with tummy, and gives you added immunity.
It does taste great, and it makes the house smell good, too!
You guys know we have a B&B, right?
For 20+years, I put a 1/2tsp of cinnamon over the coffee grounds.
People think I’ve traveled the world to find exotic coffee beans, and create my own “blend” of roasted beans.
So funny, because my daughter told me about it, and she got it from the owner of a B&B she was staying at! 😁
So there was a special council meeting held to day in Bern (the ipso facto capital of Switzerland), and they made a large decision to ban ALL large scale events over more than 1000 people until March 15. Swiftly the Geneva Car Show has been canceled (right on the CH/FR border)
LINK: https://www.admin.ch/gov/en/start/documentation/media-releases.msg-id-78289.html
Coronavirus: Federal Council bans large-scale events
Bern, 28.02.2020 – An extraordinary meeting of the Federal Council was held today, 28 February. In view of the current situation and the spread of the coronavirus, the Federal Council has categorised the situation in Switzerland as ‘special’ in terms of the Epidemics Act. Large-scale events involving more than 1000 people are to be banned. The ban comes into immediate effect and will apply at least until 15 March.
For perspective: Switzerland effectively has the population size of NYC (~9.5million), but is smack in the middle of Europe, and is a crossroads. That said, the market has been parking money in the CH Franc as a safe space while the chaos settles
A common sense work around to avoid canceling large events which might take a physiological leap, is for the event to issue cheap toss away face masks or shields and only allow people in to the event that will wear them. It’s not to protect you per say but so that you don’t emit excessive vapor expulsions. Such a constriction need only take place in localities where the spread of the virus is clearly on a more dramatic rise.
If you have ever seen a video of some one who vapes and see those large clouds of vapor that extend out a couple to several feet and then drift, those vape clouds are what we normally emit while breathing normally except you don’t have the steam to put your breath in contrast so you can see it..
A face mask will force those vapor clouds to dissipate closer in around the one foot mark as opposed to spreading three or four feet out helping to make it less likely you can pass a virus through the air.
Such a concept could be practiced at home if you have someone with the flu by having them dawn a mask or face shield when someone is going to be with in a five or six feet of them.
Do I think people would adopt this? No. Not unless you sat everyone down and had them do some vaping on their own or had them watch someone vape. Even then, because it’s out of sight and out of mind it would take reinforcement before it became a norm but then again we don’t want to create a bunch of germaphobes and keep it relegated to enforcement at certain venues only when necessary.
Moderna
It was reported earlier this week, that Masschuettes-based biotech company, Moderna, released an experimental vaccine for the virus that it has been released to officials at the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, part of the National Institutes of Health. The vaccine will go through a round of testing and comparing before it will be discharged to the public. It is not entirely clear how long that will take.
Gilead
California-based biotech company, Gilead, announced on Wednesday it will be initiating “two Phase 3 clinical studies to evaluate the safety and efficacy of remdesivir in adults diagnosed with COVID-19 (novel coronavirus). The program will enroll 1,000 patients across Asia starting in March.”
The drug remdesivir was used to treat symptoms of the Ebola virus.
Novavax
Earlier this month Novavax, announced they would spend the next three months creating a vaccine for the virus, slicing through the estimated 3-year timeline the vaccine typically takes. The Maryland based clinical vaccine company, president, Gregory Glenn explained on a Washington, D.C., radio station WTOP that they will use a coronavirus gene to model the current outbreak’s vaccine. He added that the team is working “24/7” to make it happen before November. The goal is for Novavax and five other companies to combine for 150 million doses of the vaccine.
AIM Immunotech
AIM Immunotech, started its development of a coronavirus vaccine earlier this month with its Ampligen which was used to treat SARS in animals. The Florida based immuno-pharmacy company quickly moved to file three patent applications for Ampligen so that it can be used as a therapy for coronavirus internationally. Ampligen is a prophylactic and protective drug that was rated a perfect 100 survival rate when animals received human dosages for SARS.
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/coronavirus-drugmakers-race-treatments-vaccines-232746299.html
Great info, thank you, Bakocarl.
From Arun Malik,
PS: I left off the medical article citing possible mechanism by which smokers might be at greater risk for coronavirus infection.
Bulk and single-cell transcriptomics identify tobacco-use disparity in lung gene expression of ACE2, the receptor of 2019-nCov
Guoshuai Cai
doi: https://doi.org/10.1101/2020.02.05.20020107
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.02.05.20020107v2
“Together, this study indicates that smokers especially former smokers may be more susceptible to 2019-nCov and have infection paths different with non-smokers.”
DISCLAIMER: I am just a guy who can use scholar.google.com and pubmed. I am not a doctor. The following information is intended for educational purposes only and does not constitute medical advice. Only your PCP who knows your medical history, current medical prognosis and prescription list can give medical advice and you must seek your PCP’s advice before implementing any actions that may impact your health.
There is a great deal of interest in measures that can be used to lower your risk of contracting the latest coronavirus and reducing the virulence of any infection. I have spent the past month skimming the medical literature collecting abstracts and papers with the goal of preparing a short 50,000 word annotated bibliography of the medical literature.
Obviously I was not the only person to do this. The following article was published in The Journal of Medical Virology on Feb 13,2020.
Potential Interventions for Novel Coronavirus in China: A Systematic Review
Lei Zhang, Yunhui Liu
doi: 10.1002/jmv.25707
The Abstract: https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1002/jmv.25707
The PDF: https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/epdf/10.1002/jmv.25707
My research overlaps this paper by about 75% but I am just a guy with google-fu. So I highly recommend anyone interested in common sense measures read this paper’s section on nutritional interventions that anyone can implement just by changing your diet. The Authors of the paper consider their advice might be useful for reducing your risk on contracting the virus and for what to eat after contracting the virus.
For example: Selenium deficiency in the infected host can cause the virus to mutate to a more virulent form so people infected with the virus may – after consultation with their PCP – choose to follow the advice in the paper: “Therefore, selenium supplementation could be an effective choice for the treatment of this novel virus of COVID-19.”
However the paper does not mention three behavioral changes that could be beneficial as most doctors realize that most people will not follow their advice in these areas. First is to stop smoking. The second is to strengthen your immune system and improve your base-line health by losing weight if you are over weight or obese. And the third is to start exercising at a level consistent with your current health. Again, I am not a doctor and you should consult with your PCP before starting an exercise regimen or going on a diet.
Percent of [American] adults aged 20 and over with obesity: 39.8% (2015-2016)
Percent of [American] adults aged 20 and over with overweight, including obesity: 71.6% (2015-2016)
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/hus/2018/021.pdf
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The following paper published last year gives hospitalization rates for people infected with influenza and coronavirus. I consider the hospitalization rate a useful proxy measure for severity of the infection.
Influenza Other Respir Viruses. 2019 Jan; 13(1): 3–9.
Published online 2018 Dec 4. doi: 10.1111/irv.12618
Underweight, overweight, and obesity as independent risk factors for hospitalization in adults and children from influenza and other respiratory viruses
Joe‐Ann S. Moser, 1 Arturo Galindo‐Fraga, 2 Ana A. Ortiz‐Hernández, 3 Wenjuan Gu, 4 Sally Hunsberger, 1 Juan‐Francisco Galán‐Herrera, 5 María Lourdes Guerrero, 2 Guillermo M. Ruiz‐Palacios, 6 John H. Beigel, 4
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6304312/
Takeaway quotes from the Abstract:
“Adults with influenza were more likely to be hospitalized if they were underweight (OR: 5.20), obese (OR: 3.18), or morbidly obese (OR: 18.40) compared to normal‐weight adults. “
“ In adults with coronavirus, metapneumovirus, parainfluenza, and rhinovirus, participants that were underweight (OR: 4.07) and morbidly obese (OR: 2.78) were more likely to be hospitalized as compared to normal‐weight adults. “
And for people who want proof that exercise helps boost your immune system a review article summarizing the current state of research as of 2018.
Published online 2018 Apr 16.
doi: 10.3389/fimmu.2018.00648
Debunking the Myth of Exercise-Induced Immune Suppression: Redefining the Impact of Exercise on Immunological Health Across the Lifespan
John P. Campbell* and James E. Turner*
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5911985/
Summary: If you are worried about the latest outbreak of coronavirus, practical measures to improve your overall health may be the single most effective strategy any individual can follow.
DISCLAIMER: I am just a guy. Consult your PCP as only your PCP knows your medical status and can provide sound medical advice.
Thank you, Arun.
Perfect example of disinformation which spreads panic in general population, being pushed by a Dem congressman and repeated by the Media.
More media speculation and sowing seeds of doubt in gov’t response.
Here, a man was under quarantine but released.
Coudrey calls attention to how he is still coughing.
When I get a cold/fever/cough – the tickley cough is the last to go.
This year, it was really bad. I coughed straight through December and most of January. it was almost two months before my singing voice felt normal. Real laryngitis is usually six weeks for me to get the full range back. This year, it was longer, I’m sure.
Messed up your singing at Christmas? So sorry.
Yes. Singing at Christmas was not what it should be. The low range and the super high were effected. My wheelhouse (G4-B5) was fine, and the octave below the register known as the passagio which begins at C#4 were okay to sing, but not ideal by any means.
Well, a lot of people have coughs from allergies, Etc.
That’s me…chronic deep cough…every test you can imagine. Pretty much determined to be allergy but unknown. I have to assure people it’s an allergy cough…nothing that’s contagious.
Same here, Teagan. I’ve had it for at least 40 years. Doctors mystified, except it’s allergic. It started when I lived in California desert, but continued in Illinois. It stopped once when I was in Vegas for two days.
Perfect example of Schumer criticizing President for his travel ban on Chinese citizen entry to USA on February 5th, and now criticizing Trump for not acting earlier.
Insane politicization of a deadly virus.
https://twitter.com/Summer_Of62/status/1233381683258249217
Despicable.
https://twitter.com/BScolo/status/1233473331296428032
Wow – I checked – that Tweet is GONE.
In 1997, Kimberly Clark bought a large American face mask company, closed it, moved to China, costing 2000 American jobs.
2 Americans bought the factory which runs at modest rate, with about 125 employees.
For 20 years, the have gone back and forth with the government bureaucrat and talking to any congressman who would listen…..to no avail.
Now, it’s a problem?
Congress created the problem.
We lost our last aspirin plant in 2004
We can’t make penicillin anymore
We can’t even make Vitamin C
I hope we can keep Hawley in the Senate an additional term. The way things are going, we might need him for governor at some point.
I wouldn’t use Lysol. There is SNiPer, a hospital grade disinfectant and odor illiminater, or the less powerful but still superior Nok-out.
Nok-out as in what my vet had me spray to deal with flea eggs, or is there something else with the same name?
You can read about them here:
This sounds awesome: “It is a smart cleaning and disinfecting system that far exceeds other green cleaning products. SNiPER’s® efficacy is second to none. Its proprietary formulation is designed to ensure that toxins will not become immune to treatment and SNiPER® will deliver exceptional results every time.”
It’s probably the same thing. That’s good to know.
Translation: We understand that you are manipulating your situation. If this is not so, and if you are telling the truth, you simply need to ask and we will come running with assistance. Should you however choose not to respond, we will simply anticipate that we are in possession of the full facts on this matter.
Whoops – wrong place
Again, in the NE Journal of Medicine.
Paraphrasing.
“we don’t know what this is, but let’s assume the worst”, with headline of “once in a hundred years pathogen”
Stoking fear, and the media pushing it like crazy.
The “once in a hundred years pathogen” line is pretty ridiculous.
It’s not any different than a “once in a hundred year flood” – which is a STATISTICAL statement.
It does NOT mean that a certain category of flood can only occur once in a hundred year time period, because nature doesn’t follow the rules that our mind extrapolate. It is about the statistical probability of a flood, and how much wealth needs to be accounted for across that period to mitigate risk.
It has as much to do with insurance than anything else.
But insurance doesn’t sell itself without fear, now does it?
Notice how the Dems want MOAR MONEY??? Now $8B?
And Gates is pushing for a warfare-level government response to pandemic risk?
I don’t think the motive is JUST the MONEY . . . but the cynical response should be considered:
What precisely do they want all that extra MONEY and extra GOVT programs for?
P.S. someone else can explain the Prob&Stats around this – I was up too late and I’m still bleary-eyed 😛
GOOD WORD!
President Trump retweeted:
https://twitter.com/BrandonBeckham_/status/1233405662123585536
Text: “🇺🇸 Dr. McCormick @RichforGA, a Medical Doctor & Decorated US Marine @USMC provides a much needed perspective concerning #Coronavid19
➡️ President @realdonaldtrump’s Admin has appropriately responded!”
Moderna vaccine ready for human trials
Israeli company has another vaccine which has already gone through THREE human trials.
Over 20 companies globally working on vaccines for coronavirus.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/coronavirus-vaccine-moderna-human-testing/?fbclid=IwAR0vOKJEskweBLVMppd6QQq1ZG0AelSnvBVem7F9j6jRluk_ZVHmbKG6ilg
For the past several days, they have been gearing up in MSM, which includes FAUX to push this as the latest crisis to befall us. Today they have gone full bore in trying to create panic for the stock market and POTUS….really pushing the limits. They are gonna overplay this like they do everything else they throw at POTUS. Some of the low infos are gonna fall for it, but I think a lot more of the country is giving the side-eye. In a country of what…. 350M people….there are 60 cases….. Keep a healthy outlook and prepare by all means, but perspective is important. There will be more cases, no doubt, but this is by no means an epidemic YET
I read somewhere tonight in my surfing that it well might be as many as 115,000 that viewed the Charleston rally, live.
The importance is getting the message out regarding the virus, the precautions, etc. as well as educating people not to just accept what the media wants you to hear.
This is why Bernie mocks POTUS for being at the rally…he knows the effectiveness of them.
From what I am seeing various places, it is mostly the ones afflicted with terminal stages of TDS that are doing the REEEEEEEEEEE routine….as usual. Everybody else is 🙄 wash your hands….this is good, I think
Thug Life
I read this article and came away thinking that they are going to try to cut out any kind of independent check on the veracity of the checks by keeping them at the State and Local level wanting no one to be checking their work. Which means certain states, California in particular, is going to try to sit on the numbers like they do for vote counting. The system needs to be ‘trust but verify’. Anything else is going to be pure fantasy.
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/cdcs-coronavirus-test-bogged-down-by-questions-over-accuracy-and-availability-2020-02-28?mod=home-page
Well so far the testing sucks rocks.
There seem to be more that one test (different countries) and I see numbers like a KNOWN infected patient shows a positive test 30% to 50% of the time to a positive 70% of the time. (Different reports)
A long ‘Dig Here’ by E.M. so I am going to show a bit and then provide a link to his essay. seems there is an alternate method that can be done by hospitals with the equipment already in house. (Long discussion by the guys follows)
Globalist social engineering & meddling must stop. In 2014, the Obama administration discouraged the use of antibacterial soap. I did not believe it then or now. Was it part of a plan to make Americans more susceptible to viruses? Time will tell.
Wow….I didn’t remember that. To me it’s very much like saying hand sanitizers are ineffective so don’t bother.
Could it be……..the first virus sequence China sent to the USA was not correct.
https://twitter.com/BenKTallmadge/status/1233533525342576640
Rectification is communist for “disciplining”, and can include everything from reprimand to “liquidation”.
Not good.
Wolfie, I think I am getting tossed in Da Bin 😱
Last two posts with links have not shown.
Will deal with it soon.
For the chemists among us. Here is a site that explains how to make aspirin. https://www.thoughtco.com/how-to-make-aspirin-acetylsalicylic-acid-606315
Daughn,
E.M. Smith aka gave me permission to ask you to post his comment as an article:
https://chiefio.wordpress.com/2020/02/27/27-feb-2019-ncov-sars-cov-2-covid-19-diagnostic-of-pandemic/#comment-125853
Take a look when you have the time and see what you think.
ALSo to show President Trump or support, March 2 would be a GREAT time to go on a shopping spree.🙃
And just like that one of our local cases they talked about just got better???
https://lostcoastoutpost.com/2020/feb/28/humboldt-county-coronavirus-patient-well-again-and/
I dont buy it…
Coronavirus: Now they get it. WHO says 1% mortality.
http://joannenova.com.au/
Overnight, people woke up to the real threat and markets crashed appropriately. Unless we take massive action immediately, the exponential curve is about to lift off. And if we don’t act now then massive action is coming anyway in a month, along with major disruption, pandemonium, and worse.
There are now 5,300 cases outside China. If it doubles every 5 days (as it just has) then 40 days from now 5 million people will be infected.
What does massive action look like? A bit like this:
Japan closes all its schools til early April
5 million people in Hakkaido in Northern Japan are told to stay home
South Korea is preparing to test 200,000 people
UK schools and offices are warned they could close for up to two months
EasyJet and British Airways canceled many flights to Italy
Iran has cancelled Friday Prayers in Tehran
Italy has quarantined 11 towns
Switzerland cancelled the Geneva Car Show
UAE Canceled the rest of their bike race.
In Japan some are in uproar — they’re the ones who don’t understand how 226 infections becomes a national hospital crisis in weeks. Japan (like most nations) is theoretically only 19 doublings away from 100% infected.
Here’s what not to do: disorganised mayhem communist style
Anonymous from Wuhan, Epoch Times,
Lies are killing people in Wuhan. We don’t know the real situation, not even the situation of our own residential building. But we deserve the right to know everything, which can only help us to control the contagion. We were told that buildings with red tape indicate that no residents are infected by the virus, but the ones with white notices posted outside indicate infections. But our building has no such notices, and we have no way of knowing who’s infected.
On the lockdown:
The first problem, however, is that the rules for the isolation facilities have been loosely applied, which I can still observe today [Feb. 18] from my apartment, a high-level unit. The second problem is that security measures have turned out to be a mere formality. I saw with my own eyes that security guards were often absent from their posts. Many of them let people through…
WHO says 1% mortality rate in China
The high mortality rate is not the tip of the iceberg – it is the iceberg.
At the start of an outbreak the apparent mortality rate can be an overestimate if a lot of mild cases are being missed. But this week, a WHO expert suggested that this has not been the case with Covid-19. Bruce Aylward, who led an international mission to China to learn about the virus and the country’s response, said the evidence did not suggest that we were only seeing the tip of the iceberg. If borne out by further testing, this could mean that current estimates of a roughly 1% fatality rate are accurate. This would make Covid-19 about 10 times more deadly than seasonal flu, which is estimated to kill between 290,000 and 650,000 people a year globally.
A virus with a 1% case fatality rate– that’s ten times worse than The Flu — could kill 70 million people.
The WHO is rarely worth quoting, (because of this kind of conflicts of interest) but they’ve been playing this disaster down. When the team run by an apologist for Xi says “1%” and it matches the shocking stories on #Covid2019, it’s time to pay attention.
As bad as it is, its a relief after weeks of watching this build while leaders were asleep the wheel. Finally, some action. If a few major economies launch into action — others will suddenly follow. Like fish flipping from “don’t want to look alarmist” to “don’t want to look inept”.
https://twitter.com/JenPal4U/status/1233160650869833733
IF IT BLEEDS, IT LEADS…
It used to be the press had some morals and integrity and would not compromise safety or security. That got tossed on the trash heap in the 1960s.
https://twitter.com/neuro7plastic/status/1233572948516016128
https://nypost.com/2020/02/28/israeli-scientists-claim-to-be-weeks-away-from-coronavirus-vaccine/
We also have an American vaccine ready for trials too. As of Feb 24, Moderna had a new vaccine ready for human trials.
This looks at Moderna from the POV of an investment and has decent info on the competition too.
https://www.fool.com/investing/2020/02/24/modernas-new-covid-19-vaccine-ready-for-human-tria.aspx
More general information on development.
Several groups started working on a vaccine. Both Inovio Pharmaceuticals Inc. and Moderna Inc. said they will have a vaccine ready for testing in animals in one month as of January 30, 2020.
https://www.healthline.com/health-news/how-long-will-it-take-to-develop-vaccine-for-coronavirus#Faster-vaccine-development
USA Vaccine Product Approval Process:
https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/basics/test-approve.html
https://twitter.com/BenKTallmadge/status/1222104513923829760
https://twitter.com/BenKTallmadge/status/1222105763612463105
https://twitter.com/BenKTallmadge/status/1222109586146000897
Israel Makes ‘Exciting Breakthrough’ In Race For Coronavirus Vaccine
February 28, 2020
by Ryan Saavedra, Daily Wire
https://www.sgtreport.com/2020/02/bds-this-israel-makes-exciting-breakthrough-in-race-for-coronavirus-vaccine/
Israeli scientists are reportedly only a few weeks away from having developed the first vaccine to combat the coronavirus, which originated in China, and could have the vaccine available 90 days after that.
“Congratulations to MIGAL [The Galilee Research Institute] on this exciting breakthrough,” Science and Technology Minister Ofir Akunis said, according to The Jerusalem Post. “I am confident there will be further rapid progress, enabling us to provide a needed response to the grave global COVID-19 threat,” Akunis said, referring to the disease caused by the novel coronavirus.
A team of scientists at MIGAL had been working for years on a vaccine against an infectious bronchitis virus (IBV).
[Excerpt] Read more at the link above…
Coronavirus #Wuhan #TheEpochTimes
Coronavirus: Shocking Footage Reveals Police Brutality
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DQwIVJ6sQoY&feature=em-uploademail
“Contagion”: How Disaster Movies “Educate” the Masses
Published 8 years ago
on March 8, 2012
By Vigilant Citizen
https://vigilantcitizen.com/moviesandtv/contagion-or-how-disaster-movies-educate-the-masses/
“Hollywood movies are usually presented as a form of entertainment, but their plots often conceal a specific agenda. “Disaster movies”, films about the end of the world through various mass crises, are particularly interesting as they all follow the same basic formula and glorify the same entities. In this article, we’ll look at the disaster movie ‘Contagion’ and how it “teaches” its viewers who to trust and who not to trust during a crisis.”
Pandemic movies and TV shows
https://bestsimilar.com/tag/5755-pandemic
(Not intended to be a comprehensive list . . .)
Patient Zero (2018)
Genre: Action, Drama, Horror, Sci-Fi
Country: UK
Duration: 93 min.
Story: After an unprecedented global pandemic has turned the majority of humankind into violent “Infected,” a man gifted with the ability to speak the Infected’s new language leads the last survivors on a hunt for Patient Zero and a cure.
Style: tense, suspenseful, captivating, rough, surprise ending
Plot: infected, pandemic, patient, survivor, end of the world, virus, infection, zombie, science, professor, survival, transformation …
It Comes at Night (2017)
Genre: Horror, Mystery
Country: USA
Duration: 91 min.
Story: Secure within a desolate home as an unnatural threat terrorizes the world, a man has established a tenuous domestic order with his wife and son, but this will soon be put to test when a desperate young family arrives seeking refuge.
Style: suspense, suspenseful, psychological, brutal, rough
Plot: post apocalypse, infected, pandemic, fear, paranoia, violence, darkness, hopelessness, nightmare, forest, cabin in the woods, survival …
Pandemic (2016)
Genre: Action, Horror, Sci-Fi, Thriller
Country: USA
Duration: 91 min.
Story: In the near future, a virus of epic proportions has overtaken the planet. There are more infected than uninfected, and humanity is losing its grip on survival. Its only hope is finding a cure and keeping the infected contained. Lauren is a doctor …
Style: suspense, serious, rough, disturbing
Plot: virus, pandemic, survivor, infected, apocalypse, violence, rescue, scientist, teenage girl, survival, school bus, food shortage …
Time: near future
Place: los angeles
Pandemic (2007)
Genre: Action, Drama, Thriller
Country: USA
Duration: 169 min.
Story: The outbreak of a strange, deadly virus aboard a passenger plane sends Los Angeles into a panic in this terrifying TV movie. As the virus spreads across the city and the death toll rises, Dr. Kayla Martina (Tiffani Thiessen, FASTLANE) fights to …
Style: serious, suspenseful, suspense, exciting
Audience: boys’ night
Plot: quarantine, plague, pandemic, race against time, airport, rescue, deadly, fighting the system, danger, confined, save the day, survival …
Time: contemporary
Place: australia, usa, los angeles, california
The Stand (1994)
Genre: Adventure, Drama, Fantasy, Horror, Sci-Fi
Country: USA
Duration: 361 min.
Story: The human race is wiped out by a government invented super flu. The remaining survivors take sides in the forces of good and evil. A mysterious old woman who is a servant of God and a powerful and deadly man who might be the devil himself. A gas …
Style: scary, atmospheric, serious, rough, tense …
Audience: boys’ night
Plot: apocalypse, plague, end of the world, good versus evil, supernatural, pandemic, race against time, psychic, deadly virus, survival, danger, survivor …
Time: 20th century, 90s, 1990s
Place: usa, pennsylvania, indiana, oregon, connecticut …
Cargo (2017)
Genre: Drama, Horror, Sci-Fi, Thriller
Country: Australia
Duration: 105 min.
Story: After being infected in the wake of a violent pandemic and with only 48 hours to live, a father struggles to find a new home for his baby daughter.
Style: apocalyptic, suspenseful, exciting, suspense, bleak
Plot: zombie, post apocalypse, pandemic, aborigine, father daughter relationship, boat, community, houseboat, australian, baby, infected, cargo …
Time: near future
Place: australia, south australia
Zoo (2015)
Genre: Drama, Mystery, Sci-Fi, Thriller
Country: USA
Duration: 42 min.
Story: Set amidst a wave of violent animal attacks sweeping across the planet, a young renegade scientist is thrust into a race to unlock the mystery behind this pandemic before time runs out for animals and humans alike.
Style: serious, suspenseful, realistic, captivating, tense
Plot: dangerous animal, extinction, mutation, save the world, experiment, pandemic, survival, partners, veterinarian, cure, safari, reporter …
Time: 21st century, contemporary
The Last Ship (2014)
Genre: Action, Drama, Sci-Fi, Thriller, War
Country: USA
Duration: 60 min.
Story: Their mission is simple: Find a cure. Stop the virus. Save the world. When a global pandemic wipes out eighty percent of the planet’s population, the crew of a lone naval destroyer must find a way to pull humanity from the brink of extinction.
Style: suspenseful, serious, stylized, tense, captivating
Audience: boys’ night
Plot: navy, save the world, survival, military, apocalypse, danger, plague, heroes, quarantine, shooting, ocean or sea, chaos …
Time: 21st century
Place: battleship
Train to Busan (2016)
Genre: Action, Horror, Thriller
Country: South Korea
Duration: 118 min.
Story: Martial law is declared when a mysterious viral outbreak pushes Korea into a state of emergency. Those on an express train to Busan, a city that has successfully fended off the viral outbreak, must fight for their own survival…
Style: tense, suspense, emotional, bleak, bloody …
Plot: zombie, zombie apocalypse, train, quarantine, survival, pandemic, father daughter relationship, violence, apocalypse, self sacrifice, runaway, living dead …
Time: 2010s
Place: south korea, korea, seoul
Maze Runner: The Death Cure (2018)
Genre: Action, Adventure, Sci-Fi, Thriller
Country: USA
Duration: 143 min.
Story: Thomas leads his group of escaped Gladers on their final and most dangerous mission yet. To save their friends, they must break into the legendary Last City, a WCKD-controlled labyrinth that may turn out to be the deadliest maze of all. Anyone who …
Style: tragic ending, suspense, captivating, tense, exciting …
Plot: maze, desert, cure, battle, scientist, murder, teenage hero, pandemic, trial, terminal illness, vaccine, imprisonment …
Time: future
Absolon (2003)
Genre: Sci-Fi, Action, Thriller
Country: UK, Canada
Duration: 96 min.
Story: In the near future, a virus has infected everyone on the planet, and Absolon is a drug that everyone must take to stay alive. One corporation controls the drug. Murchison is the leader of this firm. A scientist who was researching the virus is found …
Style: bleak, rough, serious, suspenseful, tense
Audience: boys’ night
Plot: pandemic, danger, uncover truth, fighting the system, disorder, undercover, plague, chaos, life is a bitch, heroic mission, experiment gone awry, dishonesty …
Time: future
Resident Evil: Retribution (2012)
Genre: Action, Horror, Sci-Fi, Thriller
Country: Germany, Canada, USA, France, UK
Duration: 95 min.
Story: The Umbrella Corporation’s deadly T-virus continues to ravage the Earth, transforming the global population into legions of the flesh eating Undead. The human race’s last and only hope, Alice, awakens in the heart of Umbrella’s most …
Style: stylized, rough, futuristic, suspenseful, exciting …
Audience: boys’ night, teens
Plot: zombie, plague, post apocalypse, female assassin, future dystopia, pandemic, virus, chase, survival, bio weapon, genetic engineering, hand to hand combat …
Time: future
Place: moscow russia, washington d.c., tokyo, russia
Carriers (2009)
Genre: Drama, Horror, Sci-Fi, Thriller
Country: USA
Duration: 84 min.
Story: Four friends fleeing a viral pandemic soon learn they are more dangerous than any virus.A deadly virus has spread across the globe. Contagion is everywhere, no one is safe and no one can be trusted. Four young attractive people race through the back …
Style: suspenseful, scary, suspense, melancholic, realistic …
Audience: boys’ night, teens
Plot: survival, virus, infection, biohazard, desperation, trust, life is a bitch, post apocalyptic, deadly virus, friendship, danger, road trip …
Time: contemporary, 21st century
Place: usa
BrainDead (2016)
Genre: Comedy, Drama, Horror, Sci-Fi, Thriller
Country: USA
Duration: 44 min.
Story: A young fresh-faced Hill staffer gets her first job in Washington, D.C. and discovering two things: 1. The government has stopped working, and 2. alien spawn have come to earth and eaten the brains of a growing number of Congressmen and Hill …
Style: captivating, tense, suspense, ironic, tricky
Audience: teens
Plot: alien, government, female protagonist, conspiracy, political satire, exploding head, alien invasion, paranoia, senator, manipulation, father daughter relationship, scientist …
Time: contemporary
Place: washington d.c., usa, russia
The Lottery (2014)
Genre: Sci-Fi
Country: USA
Duration: 40 min.
Story: Set in a dystopian future when women have stopped having children, “The Lottery” reveals a world staring down the barrel of impending extinction. Remarkably, 100 embryos are successfully fertilized and a national lottery is held to decide …
Style: futuristic, thought provoking, bleak, atmospheric, serious …
Plot: lottery, pandemic, scientist, infertility, life is a bitch, chaos and mayhem, future dystopia, society, urban, human nature, government agency, extinction …
Time: future
I Am Legend (2007)
Genre: Drama, Sci-Fi, Thriller
Country: USA
Duration: 101 min.
Story: Robert Neville is a scientist who was unable to stop the spread of the terrible virus that was incurable and man-made. Immune, Neville is now the last human survivor in what is left of New York City and perhaps the world. For three years, Neville …
Style: suspenseful, atmospheric, exciting, scary, rough …
Audience: boys’ night
Plot: apocalypse, survival, zombie, loneliness, post apocalypse, future dystopia, plague, experiment, danger, isolation, chaos, infected …
Time: future, 21st century, year 2012, near future, 2010s
Place: new york, usa, manhattan new york city, vermont
Exam (2009)
Genre: Mystery, Thriller
Country: UK
Duration: 101 min.
Story: The final candidates for a highly desirable corporate job are locked together in an exam room and given a test so simple and confusing that tension begins to unravel.
Style: mind bending, psychological, tense, surprise ending, serious …
Plot: mind game, manipulations, psychologist, plot twist, ambition, human nature, rivalry, surveillance, confinement indoors, intrigue, room, mystery …
Time: future
Collateral (2018)
Genre: Crime, Drama, Mystery, Thriller
Country: UK, USA
Duration: 57 min.
Story: When a pizza delivery driver is shot dead in south London, a tenacious detective goes after the people traffickers behind his murder and unravels a conspiracy that goes to the top.
Style: futuristic, tense, suspenseful, captivating, twists and turns …
Plot: conspiracy, murder investigation, intelligence agency, law enforcement, crimes, danger, female detective, murder, scientific experiment, rescue, border, lookalikes …
The Walking Dead (2010)
Genre: Drama, Horror, Thriller
Country: USA
Duration: 44 min.
Story: Sheriff’s deputy Rick Grimes awakens from a coma to find a post-apocalyptic world dominated by flesh-eating zombies. He sets out to find his family and encounters many other survivors along the way.
Style: tense, captivating, suspenseful, bleak, scary …
Audience: boys’ night
Plot: zombie, survival, apocalypse, zombie apocalypse, plague, post apocalypse, supernatural, walking dead, future dystopia, fear, death, chaos …
Time: future, 21st century, 2010s
Place: usa, georgia
Branded (2012)
Genre: Drama, Fantasy, Thriller
Country: USA, Russia
Duration: 106 min.
Story: In a dystopian future, where corporate brands have created a disillusioned population, one man’s effort to unlock the truth behind the conspiracy leads to an epic battle with hidden forces that control the world.
Style: suspenseful, serious, disturbing, enigmatic
Plot: uncover truth, buried truth, corporate crimes, behavior control, society, future dystopia, life is a bitch, dishonesty, marketing, advertising agency, fat woman, fast food …
Time: future
Place: moscow russia
Helix (2014)
Genre: Horror, Mystery, Sci-Fi, Thriller
Country: USA, Canada
Duration: 40 min.
Story: Helix is an intense thriller about a team of scientists from the Centers for Disease Control who travel to a high-tech research facility in the Arctic to investigate a possible disease outbreak, only to find themselves pulled into a terrifying …
Style: serious, atmospheric, suspenseful, scary, tense
Audience: boys’ night
Plot: scientist, immortality, deadly virus, uncover truth, quarantine, virus, zombie, danger, deadly, dna, secret place, save the day …
Time: contemporary, 21st century
The Girl with All the Gifts (2016)
Genre: Drama, Horror, Sci-Fi, Thriller
Country: UK
Duration: 111 min.
Story: In the future, a strange fungus has changed nearly everyone into a thoughtless, flesh-eating monster. When a scientist and a teacher find a girl who seems to be immune to the fungus, they all begin a journey to save humanity.
Style: dark, suspense, surprise ending, suspenseful, clever …
Audience: kids
Plot: zombie, zombie apocalypse, blood, little girl, apocalypse, eaten alive, infection, virus, survival, children, military, bunker …
Time: future
Twelve Monkeys (1995)
Genre: Mystery, Sci-Fi, Thriller
Country: USA
Duration: 129 min.
Story: In the year 2035, convict James Cole reluctantly volunteers to be sent back in time to discover the origin of a deadly virus that wiped out nearly all of the earth’s population and forced the survivors into underground communities. But when …
Style: psychological, atmospheric, mind bending, bleak, surreal …
Plot: time travel, plague, paranoia, time loop, social misfits, post apocalyptic, changing the past or future, save the world, apocalypse, alternate reality, insanity, future dystopia …
Time: future, 20th century, 21st century, 90s, year 1917 …
Place: philadelphia, baltimore, usa
Daybreakers (2009)
Genre: Action, Fantasy, Horror, Sci-Fi, Thriller
Country: Australia, USA
Duration: 98 min.
Story: In the year 2019, a plague has transformed almost every human into vampires. Faced with a dwindling blood supply, the fractured dominant race plots their survival; meanwhile, a researcher works with a covert band of vampires on a way to save …
Style: futuristic, suspenseful, tense, scary, intense …
Plot: vampire, future dystopia, epidemic, immortality, supernatural, cure, starvation, scientist, vestiges of humanity, survival, experiment, transformation …
Time: future, 21st century, 2010s, near future
Contagion (2011)
Genre: Action, Drama, Thriller
Country: United Arab Emirates, USA
Duration: 106 min.
Story: As an epidemic of a lethal airborne virus – that kills within days – rapidly grows, the worldwide medical community races to find a cure and control the panic that spreads faster than the virus itself.
Style: tense, suspenseful, bleak, suspense, emotional …
Plot: plague, quarantine, epidemic, infected, scientist, virus, fate of humanity, vaccine, chaos and mayhem, death, paranoia, hysteria …
Time: 21st century, contemporary, 2010s
Place: asia, usa, hong kong, minneapolis minnesota, atlanta georgia …
Children of Men (2006)
Genre: Drama, Sci-Fi, Thriller
Country: USA, UK, Japan
Duration: 109 min.
Story: In 2027, in a chaotic world in which humans can no longer procreate, a former activist agrees to help transport a miraculously pregnant woman to a sanctuary at sea, where her child’s birth may help scientists save the future of humankind.
Style: atmospheric, bleak, futuristic, rough, captivating …
Plot: future dystopia, chaos, apocalypse, heroic mission, survival, redemption, birth, mission, protest, faith, dying, human existence …
Time: future, 21st century, 2020s
Place: europe, london, england, poland, seattle washington
World War Z (2013)
Genre: Action, Adventure, Horror, Sci-Fi, Thriller
Country: USA, UK, Malta
Duration: 116 min.
Story: Life for former United Nations investigator Gerry Lane and his family seems content. Suddenly, the world is plagued by a mysterious infection turning whole human populations into rampaging mindless zombies. After barely escaping the chaos, Lane is …
Style: suspenseful, serious, epic, rough, tense …
Audience: teens, boys’ night
Plot: zombie, apocalypse, zombie apocalypse, deadly virus, save the world, scientist, infected, chaos, plague, un, self sacrifice, vaccine …
Time: future, year 1973
Place: new jersey, jerusalem, south korea, philadelphia, israel …
Survivors (2008)
Genre: Drama, Sci-Fi
Country: UK
Duration: 60 min.
Story: Survivors was a British science fiction television series produced by the BBC. It depicts the lives of a group of people who survived a virulent unknown strain of influenza which has wiped out most of the human species. According to the producers, …
Style: serious, captivating, tense, stylized, atmospheric …
Plot: apocalypse, virus, plague, survival, deadly virus, group of strangers, danger, chaos, politician, scientist, ex convict, doctor …
Time: contemporary, 21st century
Place: england, europe
80,000 Suspects (1963)
Genre: Drama
Country: UK
Duration: 113 min.
Story: A doctor’s already-shaky marriage is tested to an even greater extent when he has to contend with a smallpox epidemic.
Plot: epidemic, pandemic, disease, plague
Rabid (2019)
Genre: Horror, Sci-Fi
Country: Canada
Duration: 107 min.
Story: When a young woman is left scarred beyond recognition following an accident, she undergoes a radical untested stem-cell treatment. And while the procedure turns her into the belle of the ball, the experimental transformation comes at a price…
Style: suspense, bleak, disturbing, macabre
Plot: blood, change, job, treatment, experiment, mockery, accident, fashion, disfigured face, female protagonist, murder, rabies …
Bill Gates thinks a coming disease could kill 30 million people within 6 months — and says we should prepare for it as we do for war
Kevin Loria
Nov 29, 2018, 7:00 AM
https://www.businessinsider.com.au/bill-gates-warns-the-next-pandemic-disease-is-coming-2018-4
Backup Link:
https://www.sciencealert.com/bill-gates-thinks-a-coming-disease-could-kill-30-million-people-within-6-months-and-we-re-unprepared
N.B.: In the Youtube video, the simulation assumes Patient Zero in China.
Gates speaks out of both sides of his mouth, as ususal:
Gates is more interested in KILLING CHILDREN (and the rest of us). He could have reversed the sense of that sentence to more closely reveal his agenda:
“Gates acknowledged that he’s usually the optimist in the room, reminding people that we’re getting better at eliminating children and lifting diseases like polio and malaria around the globe.”
Gates was part of the Event 201 hosted at John Hopkins Hosp. along with a bunch of other big named people on October 18, 2019. I was wondering why no one has held him accountable for what is going on.
http://www.centerforhealthsecurity.org/event201/
Event 201
The Johns Hopkins Center for Health Security in partnership with the World Economic Forum and the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation hosted Event 201, a high-level pandemic exercise on October 18, 2019, in New York, NY. The exercise illustrated areas where public/private partnerships will be necessary during the response to a severe pandemic in order to diminish large-scale economic and societal consequences.
Statement about nCoV and our pandemic exercise
In recent years, the world has seen a growing number of epidemic events, amounting to approximately 200 events annually. These events are increasing, and they are disruptive to health, economies, and society. Managing these events already strains global capacity, even absent a pandemic threat. Experts agree that it is only a matter of time before one of these epidemics becomes global—a pandemic with potentially catastrophic consequences. A severe pandemic, which becomes “Event 201,” would require reliable cooperation among several industries, national governments, and key international institutions.
Thank you, Michael H, been looking for this one.
Media is focused on Gates and “forgets” to present the 2018 rework of SOP’s to counteract a contagion in the USA.
A new Wu-Flu infection 30 miles from my home. 18 y/o kid with no travel history.
https://www.doh.wa.gov/Newsroom/Articles/ID/1103/Additional-Cases-of-COVID-19-in-Washington-State
OK, Silly Wild Ass GUESS time.
I will bother to look up links later but I want to get the idea down before I head for bed (again)
1. E.M. Smith was certain the Wuhan virus could not be a bioweapon because it had all the wrong characteristics.
2. Others, including Dr. Boyle point to papers by Zhengli-Li Shi of Key Laboratory of Special Pathogens and Biosafety, Wuhan Institute of Virology, that certainly support the possibility of bioweapon research.
3. Theft of dangerous pathogens also support the possibility of bioweapon research.
So back to E.M.
One of his problem is viruses mutate rapidly. SEE:
hhttps://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7041255
HOWEVER what if that is actually a feature? If you release a highly lethal virus on an enemy, wouldn’t you want it to decay to a less lethal form before it could migrate back to you? If it mutates fast, then the need for a vaccine or anti-viral medicine is pretty much eliminated.
Could this explain the panic we saw in China?
The high level of SO2?
The incinerators?
Could it explain the rapid change in lethality numbers? Who’s reluctance to call it a Pandemic. The DemonRats about face.
Could it also explain President Trup’s September 2019 EO on vaccine research. His rapid move to shut down travel and his dismissive attitude to the virus at this point?
ADDITIONS and REFERENCES:
Adrian Bond published a VERY DETAILED WELL REFERENCED article that was taken down. It points to Professor Zhengli Shi and indications of bioweapons research in China. This includes a January 24, 2020 Washington Times article referring to a USA State Department Report and a Israeli biological warfare expert. Since he names and details the ‘bio-weapon’ type papers you can go there to see them.
[INTERESTING THAT THE USA and ISRAEL are the FASTEST TO A VACCINE.]
Article: Coronavirus Exposed, Part 1: Communist Coverup, or Pandemic Bioweapon of Mass Destruction?
*https://web.archive.org/web/20200203110836/https://medium.com/@realAdrianBond/coronavirus-exposed-part-1-communist-coverup-or-pandemic-bioweapon-of-mass-destruction-229ad482c0d3
TWO Laboratories? I thought there was just one?
Virus-hit Wuhan has two laboratories linked to Chinese bio-warfare program
*https://web.archive.org/web/20200203131608/https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/jan/24/virus-hit-wuhan-has-two-laboratories-linked-chines/
Dungue fever is important.
Zerohedge got permanently banned from twitter for drawing attention to Professor Zhengli Shi
Zerohedge: Is This The Man Behind The Global Coronavirus Pandemic?
*https://www.zerohedge.com/health/man-behind-global-coronavirus-pandemic
Harry Chen PhD@IsChinar Tweeted:
Coronavirus contains bits of HIV, prob.not random: Scientific Paper “The finding of 4 unique inserts in the 2019-nCoV, all of which have identity /similarity to amino acid residues in key structural proteins of HIV-1 is unlikely to be fortuitous in nature”
That Preprint paper out of India was ferociously attacked and withdrawn.
Indian Scientists Discover Coronavirus Engineered With HIV (AIDS) Like Insertions
*https://greatgameindia.com/indian-scientists-discover-coronavirus-engineered-with-aids-like-insertions/
Dr Boyle is responsible for drafting the Biological Weapons Anti-terrorism Act and taking the idea all the way to the United Nations so a treaty was signed by China. This is the guy Alex Jones had on the show that is now called ‘fear porn’.
Dr Boyle mentions a second group of scientists looked at the Wuhan virus and they agree with the Indian paper. ”scientists: three from Marseilles, France and one from Montreal clinical research laboratories that agrees with the Indian paper.”
He also mentions two papers in the literature, listing Professor Zhengli Shi as an author, indicating China had done the research enabling the insertion mentioned in the above papers. I looked at one of the two papers by Professor Zhengli Shi he talked about and found the information he quoted was accurate. The other I do not have access to.
PAPER: “A SARS-like cluster of circulating bat coronaviruses shows potential for human emergence.”
*https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26552008
LINK to my comments on that paper.
>>>>>>>>>>>
‘FEAR PORN’
WHO and China are REPORTING lethality (Death rates) at or below 1% to 2%.
DR BOYLE:
Sorry I missed adding a / to close one of the block quotes.
So the big takeaways:
#1. The virus is VERY CONTAGIOUS
Ro is the number of people an infected person infects. The World Health Organisation believes the RO is between 1.4 and 2.5.
Chris Martenson (PhD in pathology), who has been covering the situation says a study coming out of China reports says Ro of 4.1.
Jan 31, 2020:
The Ro is not a fixed number and will change depending on precautions taken and the number in the population who have already been infected. Population density and ‘social distance’ are also going to be factors. It spreads via formites you breath/sneeze/cough out, and in the feces and urine. It can remain live on surfaces. A study determined the related MER and SER ” viruses can live on surfaces and remain infectious for up to nine days.”
#2. It is mild among children which makes them IDEAL SUPER SPREADERS. We stuff babies and preschoolers into day cares and older kids into schools. If those schools do not have very good air filtration you are going to be circulating the virus once the first child picks up the virus but remains an asymptomatic spreader.
#3. Retirees are more likely to get it. (20.6%)
#4. It mainly kills people over 60 years of age:
60 – 69 years = 3.6%
70 – 79 years = 8.0%
80 or<80 years = 14.8%
#5. It Kills those with underlying disease (% of deaths)
High Blood pressure = 12.8%
Diabetes = 5.3%
Heart disease = 4.2%
Chronic respiratory disease = 2.4%
Above stats from CHINA: February 17 2020
Vital Surveillances: The Epidemiological Characteristics of an Outbreak of 2019 Novel Coronavirus Diseases (COVID-19) — China, 2020
The Novel Coronavirus Pneumonia Emergency Response Epidemiology Team
*https://web.archive.org/web/20200219142101/http://weekly.chinacdc.cn/en/article/id/e53946e2-c6c4-41e9-9a9b-fea8db1a8f51
Pulling this over from Flep’s thread:
https://wqth.wordpress.com/2020/02/29/2-29-20-news-roundup-another-massive-win-for-pdjt-pdjt-is-the-first-black-president-according-to-jack-brewer-if-you-dont-want-to-be-shot-dont-come-to-the-polish-border-1200-new/
Coronavirus – Are we overreacting?
Friday, February 28, 2020 | Chris Woodward, Steve Jordahl (OneNewsNow.com)
https://onenewsnow.com/science-tech/2020/02/28/coronavirus-are-we-overreacting
Stock-market expert says what many are thinking as Dow sheds 3,600 points in a week: ‘This market is not normal’
Published: Feb 29, 2020 12:16 a.m. ET
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/stock-market-expert-says-what-many-are-thinking-as-dow-sheds-4100-points-in-a-week-this-market-is-not-normal-2020-02-28
. . . Continued . . .
like I said yesterday, fear porn. Supply chains will be disrupted but not to the extent that should cause a massive market sell-off. I suspect people will be buying right back into this when the market opens on Monday.
Good time to rebalance an IRA!
I think Monday will be an intense rally
Yes, the Cabal LOVE these moments.
Sell High, Buy low
IIRC weren’t people like the co-founder of Crowdstrike and others selling off tons of stock a few weeks ago?
And all those CEOs resigning will have cashed out their options/gifts at a high or guaranteed rate, depending on their contracts, etc.
It’s nice (not) to be ‘leet…
(in other words, erm, numbers, 1337 won’t get you to Heaven)…
https://twitter.com/BenKTallmadge/status/1233175687759925248
Yes it is CRAP!
You look at the denier of the fabric used two to three decades ago vs now and you find the stuff is like tissue paper. (Much lower shipping cost.)
I use fake fur to make saddle pads. The stuff sold now is so cheap I can hold it up and SEE THRU IT! I traveled all the way up to the Boston area and just about bought out a mill end store. 😋 The trunk and back seat were stuffed with fabric and our pockets were much lighter but now I have my stock.
https://twitter.com/BenKTallmadge/status/1228424661009977349
https://twitter.com/BenKTallmadge/status/1230407803086356480
https://twitter.com/BenKTallmadge/status/1230412569711542273
https://twitter.com/BenKTallmadge/status/1230454198484926464
https://twitter.com/BenKTallmadge/status/1230971454654537728
“Maybe Global Supply Chains Were a Bad Idea”
Yup!
They were *always* a bad idea for the US!
We shouldn’t let ourselves become dependent on other countries…especially a communist country!
Some countries have no choice.
But we do!
Made in America never sounded so good now, right?
Maybe Global Supply Chains Were a Bad Idea
NO SHIT Dick Tracy!
…
Global Supply Chains
Just-In-Time
ISO-9000 & offshoring = NO INSPECTION by incoming or the Government.
World Trade Organization
…
Looks like the Globalist Oligarchs 1/2 century of planning just crashed into Ma Nature.
Couldn’t happen to a nicer bunch of nasties.
OOPs forgot the other idiotic idea:
Sole Sourcing.
As a QC engineer I watched the USA go from high quality to CRAP. Especially as regulations and off shoring drove many many small and midsized US companies out of business and consolidated whole lines of production into the hands of a few.
Then you had vertical integrating where a company like Cargill integrated from farm, to production, to shipping and even to Cargill Investor Services.
Last I checked less than ten companies controlled 80% of the global food market.
The crazy thing is that America does not need that kind of trade to survive in a profitable way. People are getting redpilled because of coronavirus.
https://twitter.com/BenKTallmadge/status/1231740344926007298
WOW! That from BLOOMBERG?
Maybe the Oligarchs are finally seeing the threat that China is.
12% source
https://twitter.com/BenKTallmadge/status/1231804550438252549
35.7% manufacturing sentiment indicates severe contraction in China
https://twitter.com/BenKTallmadge/status/1233592639787651072
First incident in UK.
Iran
https://twitter.com/HeshmatAlavi/status/1233669187610071040
COVID 19 in our dogs???????????
This is not good!
For several reasons!
Yup. Not good.
OTOH, this may be a blessing in disguise. What if vaccine technology can move forward faster this way?
Japan – PM Abe’s latest presser.
South Korea, hundreds more cases overnight.
A press conference in Hubei????? Beyond propaganda?
Trump Chopper Presser slamming media coverage of coronavirus
Feb 28th
Larry Kudlow comments on econ impact of CoronaV
Feb 28th
Pence interview with Hannity after being named as the
Compilation of MSM misleading the public on CoronaV
Dr Drew blasts ignorant media on their coverage of CoronaV
More media reaction.
Includes Australia plans for battling virus
More from Dr. Drew
More media, foreign policy mag is now a specialist in medicine.
No, Trump did not fire people from the CDC
No, Trump did not fire pandemic expert from CDC, Rear Admiral Timothy Ziemer. He quit after John Bolton was appointed and disbanded the unit.
Cuts to CDC were proposed but never implemented.
https://www.breitbart.com/health/2020/02/25/fact-check-no-trump-did-not-fire-pandemic-specialist-or-defund-cdc/
Interview with Alex Azar, expanded testing capability after testing kit approved by FDA.
Tracking the epidemiology of the Case in California and how she contracted the virus.
Expansion of testing facilities
Jimmy Li, head of Apple News, pro democracy leader in Hong Kong arrested on Feb 27th by CCP.
Mark Simons, English director of Apple News in Hong Kong arrested.
4:00 minute mark in video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4pogUZEQiRo
Holy crap. You think ChiComs will use the epidemic as a pretext or cover to annex Hong Kong?
I’ll almot put money on it. They are SO FUCKING EVIL. Why not?
“Yes, America! You public no support send troops into virus ha ha. We take Hong Kong no problem!”
Fucking evil. Worse than using this just to stop a democracy movement at home – they can use this to roll the tanks. Hitler with a shit-eating grin!
We extracted data regarding 1099 patients with laboratory-confirmed Covid-19 from 552 hospitals in 30 provinces, autonomous regions, and municipalities in China through January 29, 2020. The primary composite end point was admission to an intensive care unit (ICU), the use of mechanical ventilation, or death
The median age of the patients was 47 years; 41.9% of the patients were female. The primary composite end point occurred in 67 patients (6.1%), including 5.0% who were admitted to the ICU, 2.3% who underwent invasive mechanical ventilation, and 1.4% who died. Only 1.9% of the patients had a history of direct contact with wildlife. Among nonresidents of Wuhan, 72.3% had contact with residents of Wuhan, including 31.3% who had visited the city. The most common symptoms were fever (43.8% on admission and 88.7% during hospitalization) and cough (67.8%). Diarrhea was uncommon (3.8%). The median incubation period was 4 days (interquartile range, 2 to 7).
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2002032
Mexico.
More Mexico
https://www.breitbart.com/border/2020/02/28/mexico-confirms-first-case-of-coronavirus-warns-of-likely-second/
Coronavirus:Truth China is hiding from the world
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NO8iZ0wWB6g&feature=em-uploademail
CDC Director says Dr Nancy Messonnier “misspoke” about the CoronaV
(and triggered a 4.5 trillion dollar selloff in the stock market?)
https://twitter.com/Inevitable_ET/status/1233603320721367040
CDC Director Robert Redfield told Capitol Hill lawmakers Thursday that Dr. Nancy Messonnier’s statement Tuesday belied the fact that risk remains low.
“I think what Dr. Messonnier was trying to say — I think it maybe could have been done much more articulately from what the American public heard — was she was trying to say it’s also a good time for us to prepare if we have to go to more mitigation,” Redfield told a House subcommittee.
He added: “We’re still committed to get aggressive containment, and I want the American public to know at this point that the risk is low.”
https://nypost.com/2020/02/27/cdc-director-downplays-claim-that-coronavirus-spread-is-inevitable/
Dr. Nancy Messonnier statement
https://nypost.com/2020/02/25/cdc-urges-americans-to-prepare-for-coronavirus-outbreak-this-might-be-bad/
She should be fired immediately. Massive mistake.
Definitely get those exit papers in *perfect* and unquestionable order. They have enough to blow past SES status. Cross all the T’s, dot all the I’s
Concerning the John Hopkins site numbers on Cornovirus which drives much of the news.
Hopkins #s US.
US now at 64
44 Unassigned Location (From Diamond Princess but we only know about 14 that were transferred to Omaha, NB. Where are the others? Still out of country?. No account of their status as to recovered or not.
20 from various 1’s 2’s and 3’s in various cities across the US .
Of those 20
1 of 1 in Phoenix AZ is recovered.
1 of 1 in San Diego, CA is recovered.
1 of 3 in Santa Clara is recovered.
1 of 1 in Seattle is recovered.
2 of 2 in Chicago, IL are recovered.
1 of 1 in Boston, MA are recovered.
So we are talking about a real number of 13 that are still infected plus the Diamond Princess of 40 of whom we can only account for 14.
Observation. The Data on the John Hopkins site overstates the problem. What would be correct would be to show the current numbers of infected and then present the historical or dig down numbers below the current numbers.
This same problem is duplicated with other countries where if you subtracted the recovered many countries would not show up because the persons are recovered and other numbers in many cases would be halved or quartered.
We are getting a distorted picture. The media use these numbers to gin up fear. What should be done is put the current infected numbers up front and bury the historical data below or adopt a new color code if you want an accurate picture of what the current status of the problem is.
I will repost this to the new virus page when it becomes available.
para59r
The latest figure I heard per radio reports is 64 infected persons in the U.S.
There are 15 persons at the University Tower hospital in Omaha, according to Dr. Mark Rupp, who works there.
2 of the 15 are in the BSL-4 Biocontainment Unit there (the unit that handles Ebola Virus cases).
The other 13 persons apparently are in a “step-down” unit close by, probably a BSL-3 level unit. If any of them get sicker, they will transferred to the BSL-4 unit there.
Anything less than a BSL-3 level unit is likely NOT acceptable. This would mean, in essence, ANY hospital unit like a general Isolation unit, an ICU, or a BSL-2 level unit.
That begs the question of WHERE ARE the other 40+ Wuhan Coronavirus infected persons in the U.S?
And regarding the persons who were discharged as “recovered” — there is evidence that the virus remains in the body and can “re-activate” itself to create a secondary infection: which in people who get this secondary infection, can well result in death.
According to the Presidential Press briefer yesterday afternoon (29th) one of the experts gave an emphatic no about secondary infections, saying it does not happen. But yes, have heard what you said. Time tells. Other info on the BSL 3/4 is good to know. But on the other 40 I’m thinking they’re in Japan, part of the initial people who fled the country and then were hospitalized there where they remain, but we’re counting them because their US citizens, but that’s just a guess.
Although the Johns Hopkins site is prettier, I prefer to use https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ for WuFlu status. It’s in a simple table form with all the pertinent data all showing on each line. Below the table is a Latest Updates section with more info.
Actually just found that site when I was trying to track down that one chart posted earlier today that gave the percentages in millions for deaths. Yes agrees. Much better. Much more in the chart and lots of extra info going on below though their are no maps and the timeline only starts on 30 Jan.
Johns Hopkins is IMO dysfunctional…much like a Federal web site…limited data and generally not useful.
Like the running narrative in Worldometers. But, would like it moar if they included moar US based information.
Oh Noes – Panic – Panic – Panic
Panic buying strips store shelves as people stockpile amid coronavirus outbreak with one woman turning her basement into a ‘supermarket’ and a man buying a YEAR’S supply of food which includes 192 tins of SPAM
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8056301/American-supermarket-shelves-stripped-bare-coronavirus-panic.html
Supermarket shelves are starting to be stripped bare as Americans prepare for the spread of coronavirus
People have been panic buying items ever since health authorities warned that Americans should start preparing for domestic acceleration of the virus
Supplies have been flying off the shelves with people posting photos on social media showing the lack of products available in some stores and pharmacies
In California, some Walgreens stores had been completely depleted of cough medicines, cold and flue medications, vaporizers, masks and thermometers
Shoppers in Hawaii were buying up flatbeds of canned goods, bottled water, toilet paper and paper towels from a local Costo
A supermarket aisle in Virginia had been stripped of non-perishables like pasta
U.S. stock indexes fell sharply again at the open on Friday as the coronavirus outbreak raised the alarm for a possible global recession
It comes as thousands of people were buying up face masks and the U.S. government said it is planning to stockpile 300 million masks
There are now 60 confirmed cases of the coronavirus in the U.S. and the first case where the origin of the disease
is unknown was confirmed on Wednesday
By EMILY CRANE FOR DAILYMAIL.COM
PUBLISHED: 10:18 EST, 28 February 2020 | UPDATED: 16:55 EST, 28 February 2020
Can you imagine getting stuck with 192 bins of SPAM?
Nope – and I am not interested in finding out what it is like, either – LOL
Mmmm…very popular in…..Hawaii. Maybe she can sell on eBay & hype that Zippy grew up on it!
mmmmmmmmmmmmm . . . spam musubi!
The Daily Mail, stoking fear and loathing? AGAIN? LMAO!!!!
Yeah.
Yup – and others – think I saw another article with the same supermarket surprise…
Saw a meme where somebody caught the Fake News STAGING, so they used their phone and backed up so you can see the store people stacking the food away from the empty shelves for the photo shoot.
I’ll try to find that one again.
Oh, My – that is a bit desperate – then, again – easy to get a pic of an empty shelf after you have ‘removed’ all of the items – Geesh!
Yeah, pretty much describes the fake news.
My wife went out shopping today and saw NOTHING unusual!
More likely than not – many others did, too!
Yep. The Daily Fail, feeding the sheeple…
Folks over here are buying stuff like crazy (Hamsterkauf).
Same thing as Gore-Bull warming. They (Satan Soros, Beezle-Billy, Merde-Kuh, et. al.) want to keep us all in a state of perpetual panic. Far easier to get desperate people to follow your “solution” [remember “the Final Solution” proposed by Hitler] than to motivate contented people to follow your evil plans…
Italy = 650 cases = 15 deaths Milan is essentially a ghost town during Fashion Week.
Greece = First 3 cases, all of them contracted illness from CLOSED activity at fashion week in Milan.
Iceland = 1st case contracted via Italy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4pogUZEQiRo
Nigeria = 1st case = came from Italy
Mexico 2 cases = came from Italy
Brazil’s first case (2 days ago) came from Paris.
Wonder if the, erm, amorous proclivities of those in the high-fashion industry (read: gay coupling) might have some effect on the spread of the virus, in view of the segments (of Corona) containing AIDS RNA, and the means of exposure, etc. (trying to say this without being graphic, disgusting, or both)… Promiscuity is not a mode of behavior that would be helpful in situations like this…
😷
Politicians and media are irresponsible when reporting information about the coronav
https://twitter.com/jeffgiesea/status/1233769598933258240
First hand report via WaPost
Bad media.
Let’s make no mistake, the XIvirus started in China by at least mid-November of 2019.
China’s CCP jailed physicians who tried to warn of the danger of the virus. The CCP has consistently covered up statistics, refused to allow entry to Wuhan for international medical teams, AND censored all their citizens from discussing the virus on-line.
Thousands of people are dead, hundreds of millions are under some kind of quarantine, and trillions of dollars LOST, because CHINA lied and hid the truth from the world.
To blame the President of the USA for OVER-reacting in late January when he assembled the task force, declared the health emergency, cancelled flights, imposed mandatory quarantine of 14 days on Chinese citizens from entry to the USA, and imposed self-quarantine of 14 days on those who traveled to China, was a hyper-partisan attack by Democrats seeking political gain in the midst of a medical crisis.
Those same Democrats now attack the President for not doing enough, which is absurd, and the media is intentionally pushing panic to wreck the economic gains of the Trump Admin. It’s the very definition of a malicious press which does not serve the best interests of the public.
I’m left wondering WHY the media is not blaming XI and the CCP for the global problem of Coronavirus. If we need to point a finger……. point the finger at XI. It’s China who created this problem. The corrupt CCP used to only be a problem for the Chinese people. Today, the inept CCP has created a problem for the entire world.
At what point do we discuss Xi’s resignation?
1st death in US is confirmed but I cant find an article yet.
Excellent comments. THIS is the key. FOCUS on CHINA and the LAUNCH.
This may not be directly related, but I have a hunch about “China” + “hack” + “Anthem” + “‘medical’ records”
Two people indicted for massive Anthem health data breach
13 MAY 2019
https://nakedsecurity.sophos.com/2019/05/13/two-chinese-hackers-indicted-for-massive-anthem-breach/
Check out this slide
Anthem Data Breach Affects Millions, China to Blame?
15 May 2015 (updated)
https://www.pcrisk.com/internet-threat-news/8662-anthem-data-breach
There’s that CROWDSTRIKE again. Be aware of FAKE LOGOS, “deep panda” does not have a “logo”. It’s a marketing/fear tactic Crowdstrike uses.
Insurance giant Anthem hit by massive data breach
by: CNNwire, Jessica Bates
Posted: Feb 5, 2015 / 11:11 AM EST / Updated: Feb 5, 2015 / 01:28 PM EST
https://fox8.com/news/insurance-giant-anthem-hit-by-massive-data-breach/
There’s a slide on this page that claims to show what data was and was not taken in the Anthem breach. Not sure that this information is accurate.
This may not work:
Remember the Anthem Data Breach that Affected UC?
https://uclafacultyassociation.blogspot.com/2017/06/remember-anthem-data-breach-that.html
Put aside Anthem for a moment.
Why would China want medical records, or even just insurance claims?
They are a very accurate record of data mineable information about the medical condition of the general public.
In the instance of Anthem, this would include a huge volume of data about the population of California.
One could discover a population’s diversity, strength area, and where they have demonstrable vulnerabilities.
In terms of the Lockheed-Martin Cyber Kill Chain, this would be the RECONNAISSANCE phase.
Yes, this would give them a much more accurate prediction of the progress and outcome of biological wargames, wouldn’t it?
They know who their weapon kills, they have a vaccine (secretly), they give us all this bullshit drama – it all makes sense to me.
I didn’t buy “bat soup”, and now I’m not buying “oops”, either.
Data mining = Google
Cyber Response = Crowdstrike
Clarification:
Data mining = Google
Cyber Response = Crowdstrike
Google owns Crowdstrike.
Let me spell it out.
China wanted figure details out.
Google has the technology (and apparently, the business desire) to assist China. (Separate discussion).
But Google would need data.
Where is the data? In the U.S. medical firms.
China can get the data – they have APTs already staged for ops. Leave a couple of their patsy’s out there who have no real idea of what’s going on, let them get nabbed later. Typical clean trail BS.
Big name medical company is breached. Oh noes!
Who sweeps in to the rescue? Crowdstrike.
Who can do the mop up operation? Crowdstrike.
Who has the LOGOs? Crowdstrike. They can assert attribution, but in the case of China, why do they need to hide it? They already have a logo for the chosen APT.
Most businesses will stop at ATTRIBUTION. They won’t go looking for MOTIVE. At least, they won’t go looking deep – CEOs are running a business, they aren’t criminal investigators.
Besides, MOTIVE is hidden deep and protected by several layers of organizations and plausible deniability.
Meanwhile, China now has its data.
Drop it into the PRE-BUILT DATA LAKE, and start using some U.S. company’s AI/ML.
If you really want great results, wait until AFTER action on the target, and then perform another exfil event.
Then you have a spectacular data-rich before and after picture, which provides incredible granular data on the nuanced effects and indicators for lessons learned for improvements.
POTUS previously spoke of Corona case in Washington hospital that wasn’t doing so well. Fox News just alerted that that person has died. Probably why POTUS is having news conference in 15 minutes.
http://www.msn.com/ is running a story on this from the AP. The article does NOT say if the person who died is the same one who was in the Washington State hospital for over 2 weeks and was released as “recovered”.
The AP story has a photo of a locked gate in front of an RV PARKING AREA in Washington State that has RV’s being used as QUARANTINE SPACES for people suspected of having the virus. RV’s!
POTUS on now. He looks serious. Has VP Pence, Dr. Fauci with him.
Just saw that the person who died was a Diamond Princess passenger. RIP.
If this person was that sick, were they in a BSL-3 or BSL-4 unit? Does Washington State have a hospital with those facilities?
High risk patient female in her 50s is who died.
Really? I read it was a very elderly woman. Rumors, rumors!
Same…“community spread” (origin unknown) or former cruise ship passenger.
Sure wish there was fact check on these things and people would stop being so vaguely politically correct.
I just repeated what pence said. Now i saw an article on dm saying its a man, baby. So dunno who is correct.
AUSTRALIA
billinoz says:
29 February 2020 at 7:42 am
How’s this for government stupidity !
There is a mass outbreak of this epidemic in Iran with hundreds dying and thousands of graves dug ready for the fallen. It would be commonsense to closed the Aussie borders to Iranians and make Australians coming here from Iran, spend 14 days at least in Quarantine.
Instead our beloved dopey Australian government has done the opposite and allowed free entry for Iranians and anyone else coming here via Iran.
so now we have an Iranian woman who flew in a week ago and then started work again as a beautician in a beauty parlour on the Gold Coast. She gave 40 odd women facial massages in a couple of days. And then felt ill and went to the hospital. And yes she is ill with COVID 19.
Now that the poop is on the carpet our dopey dumbnut minister for Health greg Hunt, has decided to stop Iranians coming here without staying in a third country for 14 days. And Aussies coming back from Iran must self isolate for 14 days.
Ummmmm !
Was this predictable : Absolutely !
Is Hunt’s fate predictable ? Absolutely ! he will be hunted form office as a complete bloody dodo !
PS : great post about Iran by Jo Nova here : http://joannenova.com.au/2020/02/iran-coronavirus-crisis-the-new-epicentre-of-the-world-australia-still-importing-deadly-disease/#comment-2283238
VP Pence takes over from POTUS. Condolences to the family of the woman in Washington State who died of the virus.
New actions:
More travel restrictions: NO travel to Iran. NO people allowed into the U.S. who was in Iran for the past 14 days.
Italy and South Korea: Level 4 Advisory against travel to these places.
Working with other countries to set up and get running, medical screening facilities for foreign nationals who want to travel TO the U.S.
Make sure that state / local medical facilities have the resources they will need.
More supplies: “Average American does not need to go out and buy a mask.”
Protect our healthcare providers.
43 MILLION masks on hand; 3M to provide millions more per month. Other medical supplies are in the process of being acquired.
Provide “seamless” planning between medical facilities.
“All Hands On Deck”
Sec. Alex Azar takes over from VP Pence.
“Risk is Low and remains Low — but it can change rapidly.”
Reminded that he said the virus would spread. Most people would have only milk symptoms. Stay at home and treat it like a very bad cold.
Lower amount of travel to and from the most impacted areas.
Dr. Fauci takes over from Sec. Azar.
Situation is evolving.
“Community spread” — state and local health + CDC need to cooperate to trace and contact.
U.S. as a whole is still at low risk BUT situation is evolving.
Addressing the new challenge of Community Spread:
POTUS gets credit for shutting off travel to/from Communist China.
Contain from within and without.
New person (unknown) takes over from Dr. Fauci.
New cases being evaluated aggressively. Early case recognition / contact tracing / isolation and quarantine.
Re-emphasized that the risk to the U.S. public in general is low.
Questions now from the “Press”
First question — trying go bash POTUS over calling the virus as a “hoax”. He shut that down.
Next — “Dr. Fauci was being muzzled” — POTUS shut that down. DR. FAUCI GOES TO THE MIC AND SAYS THAT HE WAS NEVER SHUT DOWN OR MUZZLED.
Next — Close the southern border? POTUS — “considering it very strongly”
Next — how do Americans prepare? Dr. Fauci — ” go on with their normal lives”
Next — U.S. troops in South Korea? POTUS — in touch in the generals and their government
Next — ANOTHER one trying to bash POTUS over “hoax” — POTUS shut is own AGAIN — word was abused by the DemComs
Next — People going about their normal lives — what about you and VP Pence? POTUS — we’re going to be in good shape. We’re getting around.
Next — to Dr. Fauci: what about morbidity? Dr. Fauci — look at the totality of the cases: 75 % – 80% do well. 15 % – 25 % will need more care: these people are elderly and/or have chronic underlying conditions. HOWEVER — you’ll see a “one-off” once in a while. This happens with influenza once in a while. Questions: Any “variants” — a person gets the virus, recovers, and gets it again? Dr. Fauci — he believes this will not happen.
Next — Taliban deal? POTUS — Everybody wanted this to happen. The Taliban wanted it to happen. We’ll see how it all works out. They have big incentives to make it work out. Time for our people to start coming home.
Next — Similar measures in U.S. like there are going on in China? POTUS — Xi is working very hard in China. Starbucks open again, Apple back to production.
Next — The woman who died: no evidence to link to travel. // restricting travel WITHIN the U.S.? — we’ll communicate what is decided.
Next — closing the southern border since there are only 2 cases in Mexico? POTUS — we may have to consider closing all borders, are communicating with both neighbors.
Next — trying to use John Bolton comments to bash POTUS. POTUS shuts it down
OK, I’m leaving the feed.
Thanks – very good summary
Nicely summarized, and it probably only raised my diastolic and systolic by a point apiece. If I’d watched the circus, myself, I might be in a dangerous spike.
Inslee declares State of Emergency in Washington.
On one death?
No because more cases showing up with no China contact.
Coronavirus cases of unknown origin found in California, Washington and Oregon
“A second case of COVID-19 with an unknown origin was identified in Santa Clara county, California on Friday, and two other potential cases of unknown origin were identified in Oregon and Washington state. This indicates to health experts that the novel coronavirus — which causes the disease COVID-19 — is likely spreading through more than one community in the US.
Predictable. Community spread starts in California, and then the west coast states. Is anyone surprised?
FWIW – I’ll be waiting for more confirmation.
BTW – Thanks Gail for the heads up!
Frees up government to streamline some of the bureaucracy, processes, probably frees up money otherwise they couldn’t use.
IF it is done right with explanations, should not be a big deal. Limited or no hysteria…assuming D-Rats and MCM act appropriately.
The ‘Your are Free TV’ lady has William Binney (former technical director of the NSA and whistle-blower) on for her guest today:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NfZWdaokO1c
We have the first case of covid here in Oregon this morning. It’s up north in Clackamas, a school teacher at Forest Hills elementary .they shut the school down yesterday and are in the process of notifying the parents. I live an hour and half from there down in southern oregon.i did stock up on vitamin C and and extra TP, I buy food for a month every month ,I don’t like shopping every week.getting meat tomorrow from a local ranch, extra bread all going into chest freezer. Bought 50 pd each of beans and rice ,won’t go hungry on those.been calming my kids down all week telling them to stop watching the news and helping them get extra food in.
We live rural ,so we are going to be ok.we have eggs and a few roosters we can butcher.we have a generator and well water. We can use a goat or sheep for food if needed. So glad I grew up on a farm. We put in a garden every year and this year daughters and I are canning.i think we’re covered here on the farm.going to start self isolating although I basically do that anyways.health issues keep me home most of the time which I’m now thankful that I like being out here and have no problem with staying away from people lol
Same here.
https://twitter.com/patton6966/status/1233890870069469187?s=20
Ebola erupted during the Øbominable administration.
H1N1 was 2006.
There have been many, many Ebola outbreaks recorded as far back as 1976.
2013-2016 – there were 28,646 cases.
The largest single year Ebola outbreak was 2019 – but there were 3,874 between 2018-2020
https://www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/ebola/drc-2019/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Ebola_outbreaks
The biggest Ebola scares in the USA were during Øbama’s tenure.
Looks like someone is trying too hard to be a modern-day prophet. The dates and research don’t hold to this.
I spent decades in charismatic non-denominational churches….folks can go crazy looking for secret knowledge (gnosticism), prophets to guide them, healings, signs and wonders, gold dust, worship highs/ecstasy….and such.
This was something Mark Taylor retweeted, but his original “prophecy” has been pretty accurate.
Ground report today, local Food Lion:
I wore an N-95 mask. Good thing I did — people were sneezing / coughing in the store. Many did not cover their mouths / noses.
I used the wipes the store puts out to wipe down shopping carts to also wipe down the items I bought.
Paper products in short supply.
Vitamin C in all forms bought out from pharmacy aisle.
Ditto for hand sanitizer.
Ditto for masks / bandages.
I bought canned / frozen fruit and vegetables — I thought it was safer.
We’ve started using those sanitizing wipes BOTH when we enter the store AND as we depart.
Sanitizer on table in garage next to door prior to entering house.
Bottle of moisturizer / lotion on counter in kitchen. HT FG&C.
Yes, I have a bottle of lotion on the kitchen counter. My hands are in dishwater a lot…although, of late, I’ve been using rubber gloves to keep my nails from getting dried out.
I’m using cheap bottles of 91% alcohol from Walmart with paper towels, bleachable white washcloths as wipes.
I bought Equate hand wipes and like them because they are cheaper and don’t leave a sticky residue on my hands like Wet Ones™, but the 91% alcohol will probably kill more germs on the car keys, steering wheel, car door, house door and cabinet knobs, faucets, toilet flush handles and my hands. Alcohol also sterilizes implements, etc.
Gail Combs posted a study about hand sanitizers and cleaners:
https://wqth.wordpress.com/2020/02/18/20200218th-29th-coronavirus-update-thread/comment-page-5/#comment-412774
“How long does coronavirus live on surfaces?
One of their primary goals was to assess how long does coronavirus live on surfaces, and whether there are any effective measures that can be taken to lower the risk of infection. This information is especially valuable to healthcare providers, who face the highest risk of infection. It is also valuable to anyone who has been in close contact with someone infected with 2019-nCoV.
The research team evaluated studies of the MERS and SARS viruses. They determined that the viruses can live on surfaces and remain infectious for up to nine days. The average survival rate was four to five days, but low temperature and high humidity increase their lifespan.
The study also evaluated different cleaning solutions at different concentrations and their effect on the lifespan of the viruses.
The solutions were made from alcohol, hydrogen peroxide, bleach, benzalkonium chloride, or chlorhexidine di-gluconate.
The researchers found that solutions of 62-71% alcohol, 0.5% hydrogen peroxide, and 0.1% bleach were the most effective at disinfecting surfaces from the viruses.
Solutions of 0.05-0.2% benzalkonium chloride and 0.02% chlorhexidine di-gluconate were NOT as effective at killing the virus on surfaces and preventing further spread of the infection.”
“…Now is when it is easy to buy some extra groceries and then the store can get more delivered for the last minute folks Once a city is closed it is too late….”
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FOOD
Buy NOW! buy the stuff you will eat and that is cheap if you are low on cash.
QuickOats: Oatmeal + cinnamon +cloves+ nutmeg+ allspice, some walnuts + sugar/sweetner if you wish. Grits is another option and even cheaper.
That makes a cheap, quick breakfast that takes little room. 3 pak of 42 oz canister is $7.00 & a lb of walnuts for $7.00. You probably already have your favorite spices in stock or need to buy them anyway. Sugar is a $1/lb = $15 for breakfast for weeks or months or more.
Peanut butter, you can get a big jar for $5.00 (jelly is the same) to put some protein on E.M.’s simple sour dough bread.
Flour – you can get walmart ‘great value’ self-rising for $1.28/5 pounds.
So $20 for lunch for a couple of weeks.
You can also go with ramen noodles for a change of pace.😋
20# bag of rice is under $10 and not hard to store. Add canned meats + veggies and you have dinner
Beans are the same but a bit more expensive
Buy a couple bags of onions, carrots… and you can survive for a couple weeks even without the meat.
The big bottle of olive oil will set you back ~$15 to $20 but it lasts even for me and I use it every day. The cheap veggie oil is less than $5
Noodles/pasta is a bit more expensive ~$5 to $10 per package. As are your sauces in a can or jar. However they are a nice change from the beans and rice.
Powdered and canned milk is a bit pricey too but the powdered will store fine in the freezer. I use the powdered milk with cocoa to make salt free cocoa in the winter and store what I do not use in the freezer over the summer.
The only thing that is really going to cost $$$ is the canned meat. Canned veggies not so much.
Don’t forget the canned fruit and a bag of apples and oranges.
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So you can spend ~ $50/person and have enough to eat for 2 to 3 weeks if you want to skimp on the meat. At least you will not starve 😁 And you won’t be fighting the last minute types.
Just in case you were not aware, Walmart allows you to search and price items.
https://www.walmart.com/search/?page=2&ps=40&query=canned+vegetables&typeahead=canned+veg
If you are on a tight budget you can get you ball park pricing.
FYI just got back from Walmart. Already seeing signs of a run on rice, dry beans, cleaners, cold/flu meds, Advil/Tylenol, disinfecting wipes, rubbing alcohols, disinfecting hand soap, hand gloves.
Flour was running a bit low, a lot of BIG bags were left. Had not been wiped out yet.
Immunity supplements had NOT had a run yet.
Only thing we weren’t able to get were alcohol wipes, but really we can make due other ways, they’re just extremely handy to have.
CVS said they were wiped out of hand gloves, Purell, and face masks. Given the option I wouldn’t shop with them, hopefully your prescription drug plan is better than mine.
Lowe’s is running short on pre-emergent. Plenty of weed and feed but that’s not what we need. North Texas is DUE NOW, Neil Sperry says it must be applied within the next two weeks or it’s too late.
Harbor Freight, Carson City, NV had full shelves of disposable gloves when I was there a couple days ago. $8 for 100, 50 pair. Good selection sizes and thickness (mils).
Probably available online. 20% couple most always available to download at their website.
*https://www.harborfreight.com/5-mil-nitrile-powder-free-gloves-100-pc-large-light-blue-68497.html?_br_psugg_q=nitrile+gloves
^^^ Coupon. Not couple.
I do love a man who understands the concept of “pre-emerge”.
Hey when there’s an outbreak you have to be prepared!
One doctor said to have anti-diarrheal, and don’t forget the kids. We picked some up.
Yup….updated all OTC adult and kid.
Both Walmart’s Carson city today. OTC had a run. Most stuff still available. Equate brand may be gone, but name brands mostly available. Vitamins, pain meds, diarrhea, allergy, ointments, band aids.
MANY HOLES AND GAPS on shelves. Both stores, zero isopropyl alcohol, hydrogen peroxide and sanitizer.
Did notice huge holes in bar soap and body wash.
Got an email from my Japanese friends who live about 100 km north of Tokyo.
In addition to schools closed, most indoor activities are as well. She volunteers as a children’s story time, in English, at the city library and that has stopped. Husband plays in a couple of local bands…stopped.
Husband’s mother (90+) is recovering from broken knee and visitors are now banned to enter the facility in Tokyo.
Daughter was exhibiting her art in a well-known gallery in Ginza, it is now closed down.
No toilet paper or paper products on the shelves.
Note – Nursing homes in the USA are generally closed to visitors during a local flu outbreak.
This is for the protection of fragile seniors and visitors alike.
I called the local Chinese take-out restaurant. No answer.
I’ve picked up extra meat each trip to the store. In the last couple weeks, steak and chicken have been reduced.
Looks like we are starting to see in country cases spring up. That is why I posted the food stuff above.
https://www.theverge.com/2020/2/28/21158429/california-coronavirus-covid-19-santa-clara-unknown-source-second-case
BIRTH OF A VIRUS …
FEBRUARY 27, 2020
https://regiehammblog.wordpress.com/2020/02/27/birth-of-a-virus/
GREAT post!
I am so thankful for US medicine, public health and sanitation practices/standards!
So true! Best sanitation in the world! B/c we take it seriously!
America learned a lot with the typhoid fever outbreak/s – learning to require ‘ 6 foot holes – ‘privies’ rather than allowing human waste to wash into streams.
We have modern sewage, water treatment, hospitals – but the Democrats seem to want to go back to the 16th-18th century with raw sewage in the streets and 3rd world diseases.
Baltimore’s sewage system in early 1900s was a marvel of modern engineering and ahead of its time. Has not been significantly rearchitected for the 21st century. Go figure.
For the same health reasons – US armies in the field dig latrines!
COVID-19: Facts for the Everyday Person
February 28, 2020 | Dr. Caroline Crocker
https://www.ramblingruminations.com/2020/02/28/covid-19-facts-for-the-everyday-person
From the reading and research I have done, that looks accurate.
I would also add having a 2 week to a months supply of food on hand even if it is only oatmeal, grits, rice, beans, nuts, flour, sugar, peanut butter, jelly, tea and/or coffee, and what ever canned goods you are willing to buy and can afford.
EM Smith has a blog post Prepper Cuisine where he shows how to make simple bread out of flour water & salt. He also has several other food type articles. His parents ran a restaurant.
As E.M. put it. BUY NOW, you will use it and if you beat the rush the stores will have plenty of time to restock.
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Given what I do, I keep in my truck a small squeeze bottle of soapy water and a large bottle of clean water. Realemon bottles are perfect for the task after I use up the lemon juice to make no-sugar lemonade. The metered tops mean you can wash your hands without getting everything all over you and in a pinch handle the task alone. Since we have a cranky well pump, I have bottles at every sink. I hate my hands full of soap and NO WATER. In this situation I would add a few drops of bleach.
Another trick is to keep an old bleach bottle, fill it mostly with water and then add some bleach to make a dilute solution. (Label the bottle DILUTED) this solution can then be used to wipe counters and other surfaces. It can also be added to paper towels and those then stuffed in a zip lock bag for disinfecting groc. carts.
SEE: Disaster Preparedness and Purifying Water by Clorox to get an idea of the amount. (I keep a printed copy of the chart handy)
COPPER: Using copper to prevent the spread of respiratory viruses
So a pocketful of copper pennies makes a good in-store dry hand sanitizer. Treat them like worry beads. 😁
I wonder if a drop or two of bleach in the alcohol hand sanitizers would increase their activity against viruses sufficiently to be useful. Also, depending on the proteins, hydrogen peroxide and bicarbonate (which oxidizes mercaptans) used similarly should get nasty on some proteins, as well as skunk juice! 😉
So, here we are, three weeks ago and an astute QTreep poster or two said now was the time to take action to stock up on food, medical supplies and, perhaps, water and electricity (a generator) if you think they’re necessary. Stock up for at least a 2-3 week quarantine period in case you get exposed to the WuFlu or maybe for as long as 5-6 months if you want to isolate yourself so you’re not exposed.
Of course, three weeks ago the flu is a few thousand miles away, tearing the crap out of China, and slowly spreading through nearby Asian countries. Also, the President is saying that we’ve got this flu thing well under control. We should just go on living our normal lives, perhaps with a few prudent precautions. And the CDC comes out to say (rather poorly worded) that we are currently at very low risk . . . but that could change.
So, now it’s changing. The flu has reached our shores and what’s worse, our communities. The people that held off getting prepped for quarantine or isolation are now starting to take action.
Then we’re told that we’re not really listening. A heavy majority (80%) of flu cases will be minor, sorta like a regular flu with a cough.
Uh-huh. But 20% of the flu cases will be serious to severe and will require hospitalization, and probably oxygen therapy. And a non-trivial percentage of those severe cases will die. Especially the more seasoned folks with age-lessened immunity capabilities, those with circulation and respiratory conditions, and those with already compromised immune systems. Let’s also not forget the occasional outlier, that hale and hearty college student or your neighbor’s young daughter who, although apparently totally healthy, ends up suddenly dead.
So what do we see? Some empty shelves and certain items out of stock in selected stores. Of course we are seeing that. That’s what happens when the possibility of a future threatening event becomes a probability and then, even a certainty.
What we see is PANIC!!! PANIC right here in River City!!!
No, we don’t. All we’re seeing is a percentage of the population realizing that being prepared to endure or avoid the WuFlu is a very good idea . . . now that it’s happening in our country.
There’s at least a couple of morals to this fear coming true.
1. If we’re going to prep, we should have at least started our preps three weeks ago so we wouldn’t be caught totally flat-footed in the full-blown rush. And it’s not even full blown, yet . . . but it certainly might be coming.
2. We’ve got to listen carefully to official announcements about the flu. “It’s totally under control, now”, “We’re at low risk, now . . . but that could change.” These announcements may be based on sound preparations, but sound preparations do not guarantee that the flu won’t spread rapidly, or that the flu itself or that public quarantine actions won’t seriously impact our lives to the negative.
3. No real need to repeat this here, but don’t listen to the distorted or non-existent facts, faulty assessments and nonsensical conclusions of the MSM.
We’ve each got to decide now what steps we’re going to take when the flu comes to our home towns. And we need to take practical, common sense actions to accomplish those steps.
There’s no way around this. The WuFlu experience might be lighter or more severe than anticipated, but we will go through it and either shake it off or pick up all the broken pieces, and move on with MAGA, KAG and the application of justice to those who so richly deserve it.
Nicely put bakocarl.
It is stupid not to be prepared just because there is more uncertainty than with a hurricane or a blizzard.
When I lived in Rochester NY, I got laughed at a lot because I always had a ‘winter kit’ packed in my car trunk. A 50# bag of sand over each tire, shovel, warm cloths, sleeping bag, backpacking stove and food.
Then a blizzard hit and a semi skidded and ended up blocking the entire entrance to our factory. I yanked out my handy shovel and bags of sand and got him unstuck. Everyone quit laughing…
We can hope this is a nothing burger BUT
“Hope is not a strategy” — E. M. Smith
I agree.
Hope for the best, prepare for the worst.
Hope = Counter-PsyOps. Reject ALL despair, panic, fear, fatalism. Rebuke the spirit of fear.
Worst = It is probably impractical to prepare for the absolute worst case scenario – none of us have the resources to retreat to our underground bunkers in Denver or New Zealand like all the Hollywood elite have been building in the past decade. But Gail’s real, practical steps are exactly in line with what can and should be done.
One of the best things we can do, IMO, is use RECOVERED people as volunteers to help protect the non-exposed. I don’t know the best way to do that, but I know that once people have it and recover fully, and are not shedding virus, they become very useful for being able to work without fear.
Except that there’s been a case of someone coming down with it…for a 2nd time.
😬😕
It was in Japan, iirc.
Yeah, I don’t know if they’ve ruled out false recovery on that one yet – biphasic illness – etc. Eventually, however, you get immune people. That’s who I’m talking about. How you get them is details.
Yep…it’s not uncommon to get relapses with regular flu.
Fauchi said in the presser there is absolutely no indication of anyone catching it a second time.
Good. Creation of a persistently short-term reinfective virus (any mechanism of action, mutative or not) would be very bad news, and would (IMO) evidence bioengineering at understanding levels “not done by us” (COUGH).
Sobering and spot on.
My preps, perhaps many, most or all here have been for BOTH Corona and supply chain disruptions.
Past month or so we’ve pondered supply chain breaking down or simply not being as reliable as we are accustomed to.
In addition to prescriptions, OTC meds, food, paper goods, cleaning stuff, some may choose to consider moar preps.
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Carl mentions generator above. Further into the weeds…
My planning assumptions include reliable electricity, gas, water, sewage and trash service. Fully believe city, county, state and Feds will push hard for those expected services to be online.
But do consider the effect of losing one of those services and what we may do to mitigate it. Guessing short interruptions may occur.
– IF for no other reason than utility system repair parts stocked in limited quantities locally or regionally. RESUPPLY parts normally sourced from China.
– Guessing work around may be applied. Local engineers and machinists may be able to repair broken parts / components.
– Dunno where chemicals for waste treatment plants originate. Hmmm.
^^^ Just as the Feds are working medical related supply chain, positive they are working ^^^. Military planners are really good at this stuff. Civilian Feds know this. They are engaged where necessary.
BUT, IF electricity interrupted. Water interrupted? Gas (heating, cooking…) interrupted.
– What would one use? Generator and fuel availability. Hand held lights powered by battery, solar, hand crank? Siphon to pull gas / diesel out of a vehicle tank.
– Even a clean flowing river should be filtered if possible. Yea, as a kid I drank out of plenty of rivers.
Today, not so much. I’ll filter it. Bottled water. Life straw or that family of products, like products. Tablets to purify water.
– Heating? Fire place (wood, pellets, gas…). Portable heaters.
– Propane for BBQ. Charcoal for BBQ. Coleman stoves with fuel.
– Ponder one’s daily routine and what may become short supply, no supply…
IF it fits, plan a mitigation strategy. May not require any action now. Minimizes surprises, in the event something pops up.
Not suggesting big expenditures or looking for a cliff, just suggesting some of this may be worth contemplating.
There is NO ONE SIZE FITS ALL when planning is created and executed. It’s 100% situational to each person.
Yes, the supply chain interruption is certainly something to think about. I already ran into the iodine tablets I normally buy being back ordered.
For water purification check the Clorox link I posted above.
Daughn’s virus threads already have lists of vitamins, minerals & herbals that help support the immune system. It is worth reading.
Buy extra oil filters.
Texas Governor Greg Abbott:
Austin Public Health Operations Center:
Governor Abbott Receives Briefing On Coronavirus, Provides Update On Precautionary Measures In Texas
February 27, 2020 | Austin, Texas | Press Release
https://gov.texas.gov/news/post/governor-abbott-receives-briefing-on-coronavirus-provides-update-on-precautionary-measures-in-texas
Ground report from greater Seattle and Seattle
Yesterday we had to have my husband admitted to the hospital for mobility issues. His vitals are excellent, especially considering his age and his spirits are good. After praying for some guidance, I was led to Job chapter 12. Anyway, when I got to the hospital, it was interesting. There were signs all over the place in English and Chinese. One of the check in counters was blocked off and being sanitized. It was in the evening and wasn’t very busy. Later, my daughter and son in law were there and apparently there was a woman at the desk that was being told to go home, and that area also got sanitized. There were even fewer people then.
Today, (hubby got moved in the wee hours), we went in to see him, and it was pretty normal at that facility. Again there were similar multi language signs, chinese, I don’t think there was Korean, but am not sure. On the way home my daughter wanted to stop at Costco to pick up cat litter, and it was PACKED, like it would be at Christmas. Most people had carts full, and the lines were long and we had to wait. Also, as we went into the store, they sanitize the handle, and they had disposable glove and masks displayed.
When we got home, she turned her TV on and found that another person had passed away, and came and told me. So in combination with the other cases showing up, people were prepping. We’ve been prepped for a while, so on that score we are okay. We were really hoping that we could deal with my husband’s problems at home, but that turned out to not be possible. I did worry, but after reading Job 12, I am TRUSTING in Him. It doesn’t mean that I won’t take care, but all is in His hands.
I was just now thinking about one of the nurses we were chatting with, and told us, while cleaning an area to do a sterile procedure, the area is cleansed 3 separate times, and then disinfected 3 times. She said it had been clinically proven to really reduce the chance of infection. The other thing we talked about was how to remove gloves. I told her I had watched a video about it. She said she had done training with gloves multiple times, but the best training was when the instructor had them cover their gloves with shaving cream before removing them because you could see very easily if you were doing it properly or not.
I need the video on glove removal – lost it
This is a different one, but the guy uses BBQ sauce so that you can see if you remove gloves properly.
Dispatches from the Front
You are the News Now.
Handle w/ care patriot.
Ground level update from the Diamond Princess
[For obvious reasons I’ve scrubbed a lot of the personal and medical details.]
Update from the family . . .
Husband and wife on-board Diamond Princess were allowed to leave the ship in Japan where they were taken to separate hospitals for treatment for the Coronavirus.
She seems to be improving and it’s apparent that he is feeling better.
One of her treatments is coming to end in one more treatment. She is feeling better and brought to tears by the letters her grandchildren wrote her.
He should be getting his test results today.
Also a bed in the room next to her could be open today and there is a possibility that he may get to transfer to her hospital.
[The wife would probably be doing better in her recovery with her husband at her side.]
The husband is a “squeaky wheel”. There was a conflict in medical testing protocols between the US and Japan. He went to work on it and just reported the following:
“Test protocol revised.
I have been contacting the US Embassy with the conflict between CDC protocol and Japan government refusal to comply.
I emailed our CDC headquarters and was called back from office in Maryland.
I pushed for resolution of the differences between US and Japan.
By end of day the CDC emailed me a copy of the new protocol both countries approved.”
Thank you LORD!
You can’t tell me our Creator God does not answer our prayers.
Please continue to pray for their complete return to health and to their home.
Update 2/28:
He just reported this morning (Fri 2/28) that his wife has finished both courses of the drug treatments. Her appetite is much improved.
For him, the test results show that he still has the virus.
His move to her hospital was denied.
Overall, things are good and we will keep storming the gates of heaven with our prayers of thanksgiving and petitions for tender mercies.
I stole this for Daughn and Wolfie.
Communist donkeys will have sex with anything!!!
No need to be gross about it!
I swear…………
Russian hybrid warfare: what are effects-based network operations and how to counteract them
2015/01/17 – 15:24
Article by: Vitalii Usenko and Dmytro Usenko
http://euromaidanpress.com/2015/01/17/russian-hybrid-warfare-what-are-effect-based-network-operations-and-how-to-counteract-them/
Not going to get sidetracked with all the semantics in this article. Here’s the key ideas I’m looking for on Hybrid or Irregular warfare:
It is not strictly necessary to use these specific categories – other configurations are possible and one’s situational awareness of the enemy’s tactics should be dynamic and flexible to the conditions of the threat landscape.
http://www.asianwarrior.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/hw-hybrid_warfare-001.jpg
*http://www.sott.net/image/s13/279047/full/Hybrid_warfare.jpg
The result of this flexibility, however, is that the term is less useful and provides less insight into Russian tactics than it should.
Russian Hybrid Warfare and Other Dark Arts
Michael Kofman
March 11, 2016
https://warontherocks.com/2016/03/russian-hybrid-warfare-and-other-dark-arts/
From my perspective, the genie is out of the bottle. The Russian-Ukraine conflict of 2014, which we now know included significant U.S. foreign interference, was the prototype for this style of conflict moving forward. Or was it? Regardless, every nation is fully aware of the significance of hybrid warfare tactics.
And now, also non-nation political actors.
. . . because this was an insurgency, folks, this was run like an insurgency. This was irregular warfare at its finest, in politics. ~ General Michael T. Flynn
[PLACEHOLDER]
Scattered thoughts on Coronavirus as Hybrid Warfare and/or Hybrid Warfare Experiment
Bill Gates:
Assigned Pandemic orchestration
Ground prep for academic plausibility and discourse
Create groundwork for later media hysteria
Assigned role of weakening Food Supply, particular Beef and Dairy
+Famines? Locusts?
Instigate market Crash
George Soros:
Assigned inbound immigration/refugee influx – Open Borders Plan
Pandemic Amplification
NGO activity in Central/South America
Infiltrate and Undermine Religious Opposition
+ Reduce Trump base
Other Actors:
Barry
+Venezuela (Hugo Chavez)
News Media Actors
Hollywood
DS actors
+CDC link to [RR]
…add others…
Hybrid warfare categories:
Bio:
Release engineered nCoV
Observe effects ground level Wuhan
Monitor response, identify weaknesses
Gather before and after data, determine efficacy of attack
Prop & PsyOp:
Hollywood ground prep – endless pandemic films, post-apocalyptic film, sold to masses
News Media – Hype, fear pr0n, blame-cast to Trump
Economic:
Dramatically shake up supply chains
Monitor impact on supply chains
Trigger massive stock sell off
Profit from bear market
Trigger 2020 recession pre-Election – undermine Trump achievements/vote
Worldview:
Soros target to infiltrate and support open borders plans
* Catholic Church
* SBC via ERLC
* PCA via Tim Keller
* UMC (currently in split)
* Others (Episcopal/Anglican, Lutheran, etc.)
Targeted doctrinal change:
– Promote Refugees via EIT
– Support social justice causes (manipulated toward Soros ends) and undermine gospel
– Undermine pro-life support, confuse pro-life with social justice
– Split Evangelical + Catholic vote from Trump
– Push Dem support. Make Trump unthinkable, make Democrats seem moral
– Use LGBT issues as a wedge in the church, ie. “Revoice”
– Transgenderism – undermine and stop opposition
CO-PROP: GOD WINS!
DS Follow up Plan
Democrat Clown Car:
– Massive Taxes (Venezuela Model)
– Destroy Healthcare options
– Destroy U.S. medical/vaccine/research
– Above prep for future exploit
Pandemic Test / BioW Experiment
Phase 1: nCoV, massive real world experiment
(Real world trial. Similar to China intentionally crashing its own satellite.)
Phase 2, after results gathered
CALI Gov’s in on plan
Pelosi a key player – Pink Tie signaling from Trump?
Hybrid Proxy wars (Trump puts end to “endless wars”)
Revelation 6:1-8 – Four Horsemen
Conquest
War
Famine
Death
I like this. This fits in with Soviets having a much smarter and larger worldview than their pet 60’s/70’s radicals, but those radicals LEARNED quickly during the 80’s and then re-emerged under Clinton in the 90’s to prepare for Obama in 2008. Now they have a sophisticated communist viewpoint similar to the Soviets who created them.
Arguably we are in WW4 right now, post-Soviet cold war, all world powers in alignments in heightened state of irregular warfare. The old “Soviets” are not around per se but all the players – China, P3rs1a, including the NGOs, including the U.S. political actors (Dem+Green) and DeepState+SES – are all aligned. Post-Soviets are Old Soviets looking for payback.
Yup. Bezmenov called it – socialism was “in the wild”.
Note: I did not mention the Cyber domain of Hybrid warfare in the prior comment – that’s discussed on the prior page:
*https://wqth.wordpress.com/2020/02/28/20200228-attention-all-qtreeps-need-your-help-please/comment-page-2/#comment-413704
Great series of posts, Michael H!
Exactly what we’ve been talking about at the beginning.
It’s not conventional warfare anymore.
Thank you, Arun!!!!!!!
Most effective strategies for preparing for the coronavirus outbreak
[NOTE: I posted some of this information earlier – a link to one of the papers – but after posting to this site I decided to expand upon the information in one of the abstracts and add citations to an additional paper and database. I also posted this to a newly created blog: [link removed for security reasons]
I do not know the site-specific etiquette concerning linking to an external blog. If that violates this site’s policy, please delete this entire Note and just leave the text below. In addition, my spell check did not catch the misspelling of the word coronavirus in my previous two posts. If you intend to include those posts in your updated thread on information concerning COVID-19 I would appreciate if you could correct the misspelling.
Also, if you find this information too technical (or irrelevant) for your post on the latest information on the COVID-19 outbreak, please let me know and I will cease posting information to this site.
Thank you, Arun Malik ]
This post is intended to highlight that for 39.8% of the American population, losing weight (under their primary care physician’s supervision) over the next 90 days may be the most effective strategy to prepare for the novel Coronavirus outbreak.
And the most effective strategy for those American adults with hypertension (33.2%) whose blood pressure is not controlled (51.5%) may be a visit to their primary care physician to discuss treatment methods to bring their blood pressure under control. Measures that may include losing weight under their doctor’s supervision.
These strategies are based on one database from the CDC (Center for Disease Control) and two papers, the first from the WHO (World Health Organization) and the second paper from the journal Influenza and Other Respiratory Viruses Published by John Wiley & Sons Ltd.
NCHS, National Health and Nutrition Examination Survey. See Appendix I, National Health and Nutrition Examination Survey (NHANES).
Table 21. Selected health conditions and risk factors, by age: United States, selected years 1988 -1994
through 2015-2016
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/hus/2018/021.pdf
Report of the WHO-China Joint Mission
on Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19)
16-24 February 2020
https://www.who.int/docs/default-source/coronaviruse/who-china-joint-mission-on-covid-19-final-report.pdfhttps://www.who.int/docs/default-source/coronaviruse/who-china-joint-mission-on-covid-19-final-report.pdf
Moser JS, Galindo-Fraga A, Ortiz-Hernández AA, et al. Underweight, overweight, and obesity as independent risk factors for hospitalization in adults and children from influenza and other respiratory viruses. Influenza Other Respir Viruses. 2019;13(1):9. doi:10.1111/irv.12618
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6304312/
First, it is a sad fact that the vast majority of American adults (71.6% ) are either overweight (31.8%) or obese (39.8%). [CDC Table 21].
The paper by Moser listed above and published in 2019 gives hospitalization rates for 4778 people (1530 pediatric and 3248 adults) infected with four bacteria and 19 viruses including the following four coronaviruses HKU1, NL63, OC43, and 229E. I consider the hospitalization rate a useful proxy measure for severity of the infection.
I am excluding all pediatric patients from the remainder of this post as the WHO paper published Feb., 2020 states that the infection rate amongst children is so low.
“Data on individuals aged 18 years old and under suggest that there is a relatively low attack rate in this age group (2.4% of all reported cases). Within Wuhan, among testing of ILI samples, no children were positive in November and December of 2019 and in the first two weeks of January 2020.”(WHO page 11)
The takeaway data from the paper by Moser is that adult patients who tested positive for coronavirus, metapneumovirus, parainfluenza, or rhinovirus, were 4.07 times more likely to be hospitalized if they were underweight and 2.78 time more likely to be hospitalized if they were morbidly obese.
Adult patients who tested positive for influenza were 5.2 times more likely to be hospitalized if they were underweight, 3.18 times more likely to be hospitalized if they were obese and 18.4 times more likely to be hospitalized if they were morbidly obese.
Within the medical literature there are several possible mechanisms by which individuals whose BMI is not considered normal could be at risk for either higher rates of infection or greater risk of complications once infected, or both.
For the purposes of this post the exact mechanism is not relevant. What is relevant is that individuals have some measure of control over how much they weigh. According to the paper by Moser, both populations, overweight and underweight adults, would benefit from undertaking measures to achieve a normal weight.
What is more, there are comorbid conditions that increase the crude fatality ratio(CFR) of those who are infected and hospitalized with COVID-19 in China. Patients with diabetes had a crude fatality ratio of 9.2%. Patients with hypertension had a crude fatality ratio of 8.4%. Patients with no comorbid conditions had a crude fatality ratio of 1.4 % . ( WHO, page 12)
American adults over 20 have a 16% rate of diabetes and 33.2% rate of hypertension. And 51.5% of those with hypertension have uncontrolled high blood pressure. (CDC, Table 21)
So one possible method of reducing the risk of hospitalization for American adults infected with coronavirus would be for the majority of American adults diagnosed with hypertension to speak with their physicians immediately about what measures they could undertake to control their high blood pressure.
And losing weight may be one means by which some American adults with Type II diabetes and hypertension can reduce the severity of these underlying conditions and reduce their odds of being hospitalized if they are infected with COVID-19.
DISCLAIMER:
This post does not constitute medical advice. Speak to your qualified medical care provider about any concerns and questions you may have concerning COVID-19 and what treatment options you should consider based on your personal medical history and underlying medical conditions.
Gov Jay Inslee declared a state of emergency in Washington state. We lost the one patient. More are reported infected. One city had a couple of people at a nursing home who have the virus, I believe, and now that city has a fire station closed and it’s staff under quarantine. I apologize I don’t have links. I saw this/heard this on local network news and I was in and out of the room so I know I didn’t get all of what they were reporting.
I can see, now, how easily the system can get overwhelmed. Can you imagine losing one fire station and it’s crew to quarantine? Just imagine a little bit………and you can see how easily our emergency services, hospital staff, etc., can become unavailable to us just when they are needed most. It’s a sobering thought.
Oh, and a worker in a South King County post office processing center is sick. They don’t handle mail there, they handle packages. I think they are closing that facility to disinfect it……and then I can’t remember now if they are quarantining them or what……..
Absolutely great series of posts, Michael H.
PROCLAMATIONS
Proclamation on the Suspension of Entry as Immigrants and Nonimmigrants of Certain Additional Persons Who Pose a Risk of Transmitting Coronavirus
HEALTHCARE
Issued on: February 29, 2020
https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/proclamation-suspension-entry-immigrants-nonimmigrants-certain-additional-persons-pose-risk-transmitting-coronavirus/?utm_source=link
Reports of over 500 deaths in Iran from the COVID19 virus.
Wheatie I heard/read there’s something like 23,000 cases of the WuFlu in Iran……and they aren’t restricting travel.
Sounds like it’s getting bad there.
I’ve been reading so much I can’t remember where I saw it. But I did wonder……how do they know? How on earth would they be able to make any kind of a reasonable estimate in Iran???? I’d love to know how they arrived at it.
Yep, it’s like with China…how do we trust anything that the Iranian govt says?
The tweets I posted are from ‘resistance’ people, Iranians who are against the mullahs.
Heshmat Alavi just tweeted this:
https://twitter.com/HeshmatAlavi/status/1234051582418935809?s=20
Heshmat Alavi tweeted this out a few hours ago…a video showing a boy collapsing on the street.
I will unpack it so the video will play here.
Reminiscent of China early February? . People collapsing or collapsed on the street.
More from Heshmat Alavi.
Looks like the Iranian authorities are ‘staging’ a fake sterilizing of a public area.
😬😕
https://twitter.com/HeshmatAlavi/status/1234026424090099713?s=20
What’s up with that? Propaganda to keep the regime in power? Sick!!!
Yup. Exactly.
Put simply, P3rs1a is engaging in outbreak amplification.
We’re SAVED! The Clown Car has arrived!
E.M.Smith says:
“The only good news on USA testing is that Trump & Pence look to have kicked some CDC Butt so now 40 labs can test and Dr.s can order it w/o CDC saying no.
I expect testing to rise exponentially. Unfortunately, I fear cases will rise exponentially as they find out how much they really missed.
S. Korea, from one suoerspreader, seems to have blossomed to 3000+ in about one week. We’ll have a better idea how much we are in the soup in about a week.”
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Power Grab says:
“I just saw a post on Twitter about tent cities being set up to send the homeless to. There is a link to a map showing the locations. It comes up on my phone, but when I tried to bring it up on the computer, it is an empty map of the US.
Gov. Newsome did an EO to set them up. Story is, there is pushback saying many of the locations make no sense.”
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E.M.Smith says:
Try this :
https://www.sfchronicle.com/politics/article/California-will-open-vacant-state-land-for-14957993.php
Gail – Who is EM Smith and who is Chief IO?
An old internet friend from the ‘Climate Wars’ He has had guest posts of his data analysis up at WUWT.
He is an Asper and very very good at grabbing a topic and digging up facts. Degree in Economics and works in IT
He tells a bit about his background here:
https://chiefio.wordpress.com/2020/02/27/27-feb-2019-ncov-sars-cov-2-covid-19-diagnostic-of-pandemic/#comment-125853
Latest virus post:
https://chiefio.wordpress.com/2020/02/29/29-feb-2020-covid-19-lockdown/
The guys are mostly Techies/scientists
Rud Istvan – who has science and law background/expertise – also posts at WUWT – are they friends?
I am sure they know each other over the internet.
The set of blogs I have see Rud at are:
*https://wattsupwiththat.com/
*https://realclimatescience.com/
Other possibles are:
*http://joannenova.com.au/
*https://notrickszone.com/
(Remove *)
We all pretty much know each other. I have even met some of the guys in person.
Thanks. :8-)
W/O CDC saying so is good. But the verify must come from CDC, me saying that, Deblasio and Newsom both want to freeze CDC out of the verifying process. Why? Duh. If the doctors on ground have the info they can take appropriate steps and wait for the independent verify. Hurts nothing and turn around on data is at longest 2 days normally one day or same day.
M Simon says:
Key Missteps at the CDC Have Set Back Its Ability to Detect the Potential Spread of Coronavirus
https://www.propublica.org/article/cdc-coronavirus-covid-19-test
“As the highly infectious coronavirus jumped from China to country after country in January and February, the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention lost valuable weeks that could have been used to track its possible spread in the United States because it insisted upon devising its own test.“
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EXACTLY what I have been screaming about for weeks. The SES STRIKES AGAIN!
I can see both sides – CDC wants the tests to be standardized – to protect their statistics and scientific processes.
However – all medical center hospitals and lab testing centers – should be able to test for 2019CoV or whatever they call it.
All it takes is to grab the test already available and check them out. Pick the best of the bunch AND START USING IT. Meanwhile you can play around trying to get the ‘Perfect’ SES Messonnier wants.
Since they DID over 400 tests, obviously they HAD a test. Sending out DEFECTIVE reagent is criminally negligent.
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I am sorry but this was clearly ‘RESIST!’ embeds using the virus in an attempt to oust President Trump. SES Messonnier’s WELL PUBLICIZED press conference and the simultaneous stock market crash makes that very clear.
Now Washington State is going to take draconian measures BUT STILL NOT TEST!!! 🙄
IT IS POLITICAL!
Trump, Pence, Azar and CDC Director Redfield will straighten out the CoV19 testing business.
Messonier will have no authority over that.
I would dearly love those 29 members of the SES in the CDC to be sent to Californicate to test the homeless in the camps Noisome is setting up. And maybe some marines in full hazmat gear with machine gons to keep them honest.
I would also LOVE that!
Reading about the couple who adopted a Chinese baby who encountered 3rd world sanitation/unine/poop in the streets makes me so thankful for US public health and sanitation!!!!
Democrats are promoters of 3rd world economic, security, health and sanitation conditions.
SPIT!!!!
Send them to China and Iran too!
Just to put in my two cents. . .
If there’s “more than one side” to this story, it will bubble up into the info provided by Pence as part of the official information. Any semi-official statements that do not come from Pence I consider highly suspect.
On Maria, he kinda brushed by this by saying 1) they have tested over 47,000 at airports and 2) locals are testing now. He specifically said he doesn’t want to participate in recriminations or blame. I agree, now is not the time. We need to work the problem and resolve. M&M should be done afterwards.
Maria will have part 2 of his interview tomorrow am.
Very smart. I expect nothing less from VSG 😉
They started the temp checks and questioning on Jan 21st. Started first at 5 airports, then 20 airports, then more.
The money also had to be worked out. Final test has a 20% royalty????
Surgeon General’s office says NOT to buy masks:
https://twitter.com/Surgeon_General/status/1233725785283932160
Replies to the tweet:
https://twitter.com/AltinhoRJ/status/1233936984214790144
Use social distance 3 to 6 feet MINIMUM, self quarantine as much as possible, shop at odd hours if you must shop, clean hands and surfaces you must touch.
DO NOT TOUCH YOUR FACE.
DO NOT USE PUBLIC TOILETS!
A pocket full of copper pennies are a good in store dry hand sanitizer.
Using copper to prevent the spread of respiratory viruses
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2015/11/151110102147.htm
Thanks, Gail.
The copper penny idea is superb. Never knew that.
I went up to London on Friday. There’s no social distance on the train or Underground. 😉 Did people seem worried? No. I saw only one woman in a mask.
The place I went for lunch had anti-bac gel in dispensers. One was in the bar. The others were in the lavatories.
I’m not worried about this, personally, but all the preventive tips are most helpful.
WSYR am radio, Paw Talk ~11:00 a.m. Sunday. Veterinarians pleading with people to stop buying masks. Animal surgeries may have to be scheduled according to how many masks they have on hand. They are having trouble getting the masks too.
Thank you!!
Breaking: Washington officials say they are not going to be testing all cases. They will need to triage the most high-risk and most sever #Coronavirus patient. The public is going to need to accept this and realize they will need to prepare and accept various NPI measures.
FROM this video (6 minutes) NPI is non-pharmaceutical interventions aka quarantine, go home and take 2 Tylenol…
Clarice Feldman has also been digging for information. She is an attorney in DC, IIRC and links to sites you guys probably already mention elsewhere. Still, more info is good. https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2020/03/coronavirus_when_all_else_fails_try_reason.html
^^^This puts out the facts on the coronavirus scare – presents a good common sense perspective.
This should be read and re-read multiple times.
From Chiefo…
I read this twice, as slow guy here, “Warning Will Robinson” rang on first pass… bold added below
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“In Daegu, 1900 Shincheonji Church members have been tested for coronavirus.
1300 had symptoms & 600 did not.
Among those 1300 with symptoms, 87.5% were confirmed with the virus.
BUT out of the 600 WITHOUT symptoms, 70% were confirmed with
the virus.
Over 80 percent infected, and moving towards 100 percent, false negatives plus time. Really illustrates the absence of immunity of a brand new virus, whereas there is natural immunity in the population to the common flus.
Imagine what is happening in China at those group quarantine bed facilities and at thousands of group elderly care facilities. ( And we are suppose to believe their numbers)”
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My takeaways…
1) Asymptomatic is an understated problem.
2) Need for social distancing, is an understatement.
3) While testing is essential, we need reliable test kits. False negatives perpetuate the problem.
Asymptomatic is the MAJOR problem.
With SARS they could use temperature to easily screen people for that flu. With Wuhan it doesn’t work.
That means ALL the screening using temperature at the international airports was ~50% USELESS!
Now add on the 14 day quarantine (Need up to 27 days) and the REFUSAL TO TEST, and the idiots in the CDC need to be fired IN MASS at minimum.
WE knew this information weeks ago. So where the heck were those oh so intelligent ‘doctors’ at the CDC??
Mom Evelyn’s wisdom: first, change the bedsheets. It was the best thing ever when I had a fever to climb in my own bed and feel cool, clean sheets. 🙂
And it’s the best thing to do after a bout of cold/fever/virus!
Wash all laundry, sheets, towels and clean bathroom, kitchen!
AND USE CLOROX!!!
I just bought a bunch of flour sack towels for ~ $7/ 10pak. Hubby does not like them so I also bought plain white hand towels too (more expensive). They can be tossed into a laundry basket each day and then washed with Clorox.
Using paper towels is better but I do not want to run out.
Yep – Bleach is a staple at my house.
I’ve been using all white bleachable towels in bath and kitchen for decades. I love bleach as a sanitizer for linens. I have all white pillowcases and quilted pillow covers too.
I do the same. I MIGHT use one role of paper towels in about 6 weeks.
We buy 200 barmop towels ever Christmas. It’s Santa’s gift to the house.
I wash them in hottest possible water, bleach, AND a scoop of oxiclean.
Bleach and oxy do some kind of chemical reaction and it’s magic.
SUPER white.
As white as Our VSG President’s shirts???
I buy hotel-grade towels by the dozen – they are durable and last nearly forever – now that I have learned to dilute the bleach before putting it in the washer.
Riteway Linens
https://ritewaylinens.com
Sales@ritewaylinens.com
1-772-380-8583
There are others – but this company will ship just one dozen – and is in my state!
I love their bath sheets and all the towels.
TIP – Always wash new towels with vinegar to get them soft and fluffy!
Coronavirus handshakes
https://twitter.com/TheSpeaker2018/status/1233798724167487490?s=20
Here’s Everything You Need to Clean After the Flu (and How to Disinfect Your Home)
Better Homes and Garden – 11/06/19 – Great article with video!
https://www.bhg.com/homekeeping/house-cleaning/tips/flu-season-cleaning-home/
The One Disinfecting Step You’re Probably Doing Wrong
“To correctly disinfect a countertop, for example, the surface needs to be visibly wet for four minutes. That will probably take more wipes than you’re used to using while you clean. Sanitizing, on the other hand, only requires the surface to be visibly wet for ten seconds. In both cases, you should let the surface air dry.”
https://www.bhg.com/news/disinfecting-mistakes/
Link to FDA list of Prescription Drug shortages, updated in February 2020. Many injectables. There’s also a link where they’ve extended expiration dates on several drugs. Still looking for OTC list, haven’t found yet.
https://www.fda.gov/drugs/drug-safety-and-availability/drug-shortages
Another source:
https://www.drugs.com/drug-shortages/
Of the myriad of theories floating about concerning WuFlu, there’s one that claims that –
1. The WuFlu really isn’t such a big problem this year, but
2. The Dimms and their media buddy conspirators are trying to make it look like the WuFlu is piling up dead bodies in cities and towns all over the world, so that
3. Those same Dimms and their media buddy conspirators can claim that PTrump is incompetent and ineffective, his efforts being premature or too late, overreactive or too little, too focused or too broad, etc., to try to tarnish him for the 2020 election.
DW says she heard this theory espoused by Graham Ledger on OANN.
I agree with parts 2 and 3 above, but to me, part 1 is unbelievable.
Just looking at the consequences of the WuFlu in China, I don’t see how part 1 could be remotely believable.
The only reason China has become a world power is because of its trade. Xi is very invested in the scope of China’s trade . . . it’s his lifeblood.
Recently, PTrump jerked China and Xi back to reality by imposing large tariffs on certain Chinese goods because of unfair trade practices. This has stunted China’s trade and put Xi, personally in a very uncomfortable position, with attendant losses of billions of dollars of current trade revenue.
Now the WuFlu hits. Trade grinds almost to a standstill in China. Manufacturers are moving their factories out of China or developing alternative sources for the manufactured goods and source materials with Vietnam, Taiwan, India and others. The future of trade in China and Xi himself now are threatened.
Xi is ordering his workers to go back to their factories with not an overwhelming current success.
We’ll have to see how this progresses in the near future, but if the WuFlu was really no big deal, China and Xi would be anywhere near the large, deep hole they’ve dug for themselves and are currently living in.
Additionally, numerous countries other than China are shutting down very profitable festivals and shows, closing off transportation and segregating whole communities at great negative impact to those countries.
Something is going on with the WuFlu that is not apparent in the gross numbers of those infected or died. With roughly 90,000 total cases, and 3,000 total deaths, the WuFlu is dwarfed by the seasonal flu numbers of 600,000,000 infected and 350,000 deaths, but countries aren’t shutting down, stopping trade and transportation and forcefully quarantining communities because of the seasonal flu.
So, what is it about the WuFlu that we don’t know that is causing this massive reaction in many countries? I don’t think it’s all because of a Dimm/MSM plot.
^^^ What is it about WuFlu?
Perfect storm of sorts. But, in a really, really bad way. A number of random thoughts…
– No WuFlu vaccine.
– WuFlu death rate higher than regular flu. Using numbers post above. If my math is close. WuFlu death rate ~3.3%. Everyday flu <0.06%. Hope my math is wrong.
– WuFlu highly contagious. General population NOT immune to catching WuFlu.
– WuFlu test kits not accurate.
– ChiComs stifled WuFlu news from the onset.
– ChiComs quarantined or otherwise locked down entire cities. Largely shutdown China’s economy. 10% world population locked down or quarantined. Draconian!
– ChiComs numbers obviously BS. Locking down entire apartment buildings, welding building closed, crematoriums burning 24/7, 40 portable crematoriums… Pure evil!
– ChiComs NOT letting WHO to be on scene. Yea I know WHO = UN = BS.
– ChiComs NOT letting CDC to be on scene.
– Chicoms economy piss poor before WuFlu.
– Chicoms knew about WuFlu. Yet the bastard ChiComs met with President Trump and his team in January.
Below information posted further up thread and from Chiefo. Absolutely alarming to me.
South Korea church where WuFlu exploded on scene seven to ten days ago.
– 80%+ of the entire 1,900 population, group are infected.
– – 87.5% of 1,300, those with symptoms are infected.
– – 70% of remaining 600, with NO symptoms, are infected.
– – Dunno percent of negative tests that may in fact be positives.
Personally have shifted to believing ChiComs INTENTIONALLY released WuFlu. Dunno about the bioweapon aspect. Certainly possible.
WuFlu death rate is currently 6.4%, likely UNDERSTATED due to
• Under-Reported Deaths
• Over-Reported Recoveries
Calculation can ONLY be based on Deaths as a share of “Resolved Cases”
= Deaths / (Deaths + Recoveries)
This also ignores the potential for MORE Deaths from “Reinfections” that are unlikely to be subtracted from “Recoveries”.
Source Data: https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6
At White House press briefing – they said there is no danger of reinfection.
Maybe relapse if you get too active or a secondary bacterial infection, etc.
Still wondering whether …
• a “recovery” might often be a premature declaration
• a “recovery” leaves a person with a weakened system that later fails or becomes compromised by something else
• the virus may mutate and “reinfect”
• what the practical difference between “reinfection” and “relapse” might be.
Absolutely correct. Took a short cut for simplicity to show huge difference in deaths between WuFlu and regular flu. Correct numbers far better to use and accurate. Thanks for fixing.
😉
Awaiting the next-level analysis that segregates DEATH RATES for those with zero underlying issues (below age 60 vs above age 60) and those with issues (recoverable gastro/colds vs serious/chronic conditions).
Ya. Many of us are quite interested in seeing those data break outs.
Would very much like moar data regarding the 1,900 South Koreans. Age, gender, smoker, health issues…
Tell me what you think about this…..
I think we’re flying blind on data from China.
Garbage in, garbage out.
For instance, if we’re only evaluating “death rate” by the 15-20% which enter a hospital, ignoring the other 80-85%, then our 6.4% rate collapses to 1.3% or lower.
Backed up by the stats release from NE Journal of Medicine.
On the other hand, can we really know death rate in China?
Agree on China: GIGO.
Seems like the variation in receptors based on genetics … and the effectiveness of early detection and treatment … make COUNTRY-SPECIFIC STATS the only truly useful gauge.
Jo Di stats from Italy may become our best baseline.
You know it’s BAD when China doesn’t trust (their own?) U.N. WHO to report the ground situation to the party’s liking!!!
It is likely Western countries will NOT see the same death rate as Asian and 3rd world countries.
For these reasons:
– Most viral respiratory flu outbreaks originate in and wreak the most havoc in Asian countries.
– One study seemed to indicate a physical – ethnic – vulnerability – more ACE2 receptors. – https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.01.26.919985v1.full
– Western countries have much better sanitation and health care systems.
Yes. AND, hoping we WuFlu less contagious.
RE: Xi is ordering his workers to go back to their factories with not an overwhelming current success.
Reports now say he’s resorting to using Uyghurs as Factory Slave Labor instead of Citizens
… for Xi’s “Win-Win”.
Congrats to Nike and Apple for their SLAVE TRADE.
CoronaVirus “PANIC SOLUTION”:
Show the public a USA Map that plots a Blue “Location-Dot” for every Flu-Season Death and an Orange one for every COVID-19 Death.
• Repeat this on a separate map for each State.
• Repeat this on maps for Sanctuary Cities versus Non-Sanctuary Cities/Towns.
Show Posters of these Maps at EVERY COVID-19 BRIEFING.
• Everyone will instantly understand that the “Press Panic” is a HOAX.
• Every briefing will contribute – like nothing else could – to the Destruction of FAKE NEWS.
Fear is contagious, though.
The one good thing I see of all of this is perhaps Americans will step up personal hygiene habits that will help the rest of us out during a regular cold and flu season.
I’ll have to tour the local stores next week and see if there’s been a run on anything. People around here are “I’ll believe it when I see it” sorts, so I really haven’t seen much of a change.
Visit Costco: There’s a run on everything for Preppers.
I don’t even know where the closest Costco is. I would be more worried about supplies from Walgreens.
So long as we have water and gas, my house is good. Our grill is in ground with a gas line. Somehow, I don’t think natural gas is going to be a problem.
Food…we’re always overstocked.
No run down here in the San Antonio area. Shopped today at a big store and it was packed out. Shopped at two other big stores two days ago and they were packed out. Where there are holes in the shelf the alternate brands are still full.
BEARS REPEATING: “Being commercially dependent on nations with appalling health regulations (if any) is a disaster waiting to happen.”
Gail, you might want to look at this. Ozzytrumper posted this today from Wyatt.
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1233267797473611776.html
This has to do with our friend Prof. Zhengli from the Wuhan Institute of Virology, China’s only Bio Lab, concerning his bat studies back in 2014-15 and many more of his activities more recent. While Wyatt’s information is extensive, it does not overlap the information from Dr. Boyle which means it adds to the record. Key things missing are Zhengli’s BSL-3 biowarfare lab work at the University of North Carolina and interactions with Australian Universities. Essentialy it looks like Wyatt is not aware of Dr. Boyles effort but Wyatt has a lot of other stuff on our China Professor.
Home made Hand Sanitizer Recipe
Ingredients
1 TBSP rubbing alcohol
1/2 tsp vegetable glycerin (optional)
1/4 cup aloe vera gel
10 drops cinnamon essential oil
10 drops tea tree essential oil
Distilled water (colloidal silver/ionic silver adds antibacterial power if available)
other essential oils (just for scent)
Instructions
To make, mix aloe vera gel, optional glycerin, and rubbing alcohol in a small bowl.
Add cinnamon essential oil and tea tree oil along with a drop or two of any other oils you want to add for scent. Lemongrass, orange, lavender, and peppermint are good choices.
Mix well and add distilled water (or colloidal/ionic silver) to thin to desired consistency.
Transfer into spray, squeeze or pump bottles.
Use as you would any other type of hand sanitizer.
NOTES:
– Rule of thumb – the more alcohol – the higher potency.
– All those scented oils are not necessary, though tea tree and cinnamon may have slight antibacterial properties.
– I’m just going with straight 91% rubbing alcohol for high risk circumstances, such as after going to hospital, clinic, Walmart, handling raw meat, etc.
– For general use and for children’s tender skin, adding glycerin and aloe might be better.
Repeated from article above:
“Can we kill viruses?
A virus outside the host (you or me) can be inactivated by things like heat, bleach, or formaldehyde.
Some viruses are covered by a membrane, and those may be inactivated by lengthy exposure to high concentrations of alcohol, as well.
Antibiotics do not work on viruses.
A quick spritz of hand sanitizer does not inactivate most viruses.”
Link – https://www.ramblingruminations.com/2020/02/28/covid-19-facts-for-the-everyday-person
Well—
http://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/north-koreas-first-confirmed-coronavirus-patient-shot-dead
Wonder how Ukraine has escaped any cases?
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/locations-confirmed-cases.html
Some countries like Ukraine, North Korea and Saudi Arabia do not seem to be reporting any cases.
Whether they decided not to or they are clear, is not known.
The WHO sent 25 international experts to China and here are their main findings after 9 days
The WHO has sent a team of international experts to China to investigate the situation, including Clifford Lane, Clinical Director at the US National Institutes of Health. Here is the press conference on Youtube and the final report of the commission as PDF after they visited Beijing, Wuhan, Shenzhen, Guangzhou and Chengdu. Here are some interesting facts about Covid that I have not yet read in the media:
When a cluster of several infected people occurred in China, it was most often (78-85%) caused by an infection within the family by droplets and other carriers of infection in close contact with an infected person. Transmission by fine aerosols in the air over long distances is not one of the main causes of spread. Most of the 2,055 infected hospital workers were either infected at home or in the early phase of the outbreak in Wuhan when hospital safeguards were not raised yet.
5% of people who are diagnosed with Covid require artificial respiration. Another 15% need to breathe in highly concentrated oxygen – and not just for a few days. The duration from the beginning of the disease until recovery is 3 to 6 weeks on average for these severe and critical patients (compared to only 2 weeks for the mildly ill). The mass and duration of the treatments overburdened the existing health care system in Wuhan many times over. The province of Hubei, whose capital is Wuhan, had 65,596 infected persons so far. A total of 40,000 employees were sent to Hubei from other provinces to help fight the epidemic. 45 hospitals in Wuhan are caring for Covid patients, 6 of which are for patients in critical condition and 39 are caring for seriously ill patients and for infected people over the age of 65. Two makeshift hospitals with 2,600 beds were built within a short time. 80% of the infected have mild disease, ten temporary hospitals were set up in gymnasiums and exhibition halls for those.
China can now produce 1.6 million test kits for the novel coronavirus per week. The test delivers a result on the same day. Across the country, anyone who goes to the doctor with a fever is screened for the virus: In Guangdong province, far from Wuhan, 320,000 people have been tested, and 0.14% of those were positive for the virus.
The vast majority of those infected sooner or later develop symptoms. Cases of people in whom the virus has been detected and who do not have symptoms at that time are rare – and most of them fall ill in the next few days.
The most common symptoms are fever (88%) and dry cough (68%). Exhaustion (38%), expectoration of mucus when coughing (33%), shortness of breath (18%), sore throat (14%), headaches (14%), muscle aches (14%), chills (11%) are also common. Less frequent are nausea and vomiting (5%), stuffy nose (5%) and diarrhoea (4%). Running nose is not a symptom of Covid.
An examination of 44,672 infected people in China showed a fatality rate of 3.4%. Fatality is strongly influenced by age, pre-existing conditions, gender, and especially the response of the health care system. All fatality figures reflect the state of affairs in China up to 17 February, and everything could be quite different in the future elsewhere.
Healthcare system: 20% of infected people in China needed hospital treatment for weeks. China has hospital beds to treat 0.4% of the population at the same time – other developed countries have between 0.1% and 1.3% and most of these beds are already occupied with people who have other diseases. The most important thing is firstly to aggressively contain the spread of the virus in order to keep the number of seriously ill Covid patients low and secondly to increase the number of beds (including material and personnel) until there is enough for the seriously ill. China also tested various treatment methods for the unknown disease and the most successful ones were implemented nationwide. Thanks to this response, the fatality rate in China is now lower than a month ago.
Pre-existing conditions: The fatality rate for those infected with pre-existing cardiovascular disease in China was 13.2%. It was 9.2% for those infected with high blood sugar levels (uncontrolled diabetes), 8.4% for high blood pressure, 8% for chronic respiratory diseases and 7.6% for cancer. Infected persons without a relevant previous illness died in 1.4% of cases.
Age: The younger you are, the less likely you are to be infected and the less likely you are to fall seriously ill if you do get infected:
Age % of population % of infected Fatality
0-9 12.0% 0,9% 0 as of now
10-19 11.6% 1.2% 0.1%
20-29 13.5% 8.1% 0.2%
30-39 15.6% 17.0% 0.2%
40-49 15.6% 19.2% 0.4%
50-59 15.0% 22.4% 1.3%
60-69 10.4% 19.2% 3.6%
70-79 4.7% 8.8% 8.0%
80+ 1.8% 3.2% 14.8%
Read: Out of all people who live in China, 13.5% are between 20 and 29 years old. Out of those who were infected in China, 8.1% were in this age group. This does not mean that 8.1% of people between 20 and 29 become infected. It means that the likelihood of someone at this age to catch the infection is somewhat lower compared to the average. And of those who caught the infection in this age group, 0.2% died.
Gender: Women catch the disease just as often as men. But only 2.8% of Chinese women who were infected died from the disease, while 4.7% of the infected men died. The disease appears to be not more severe in pregnant women than in others. In 9 examined births of infected women, the children were born by caesarean section and healthy without being infected themselves. The women were infected in the last trimester of pregnancy. What effect an infection in the first or second trimester has on embryos is currently unclear as these children are still unborn.
The new virus is genetically 96% identical to a known coronavirus in bats and 86-92% identical to a coronavirus in pangolin. Therefore, the transmission of a mutated virus from animals to humans is the most likely cause of the appearance of the new virus.
Since the end of January, the number of new coronavirus diagnoses in China has been steadily declining (shown here as a graph) with now only 329 new diagnoses within the last day – one month ago it was around 3,000 a day. “This decline in COVID-19 cases across China is real,” the report says. The authors conclude this from their own experience on site, declining hospital visits in the affected regions, the increasing number of unoccupied hospital beds, and the problems of Chinese scientists to recruit enough newly infected for the clinical studies of the numerous drug trials. Here is the relevant part of the press conference about the decline assessment.
One of the important reasons for containing the outbreak is that China is interviewing all infected people nationwide about their contact persons and then tests those. There are 1,800 teams in Wuhan to do this, each with at least 5 people. But the effort outside of Wuhan is also big. In Shenzhen, for example, the infected named 2,842 contact persons, all of whom were found, testing is now completed for 2,240, and 2.8% of those had contracted the virus. In Sichuan province, 25,493 contact persons were named, 25,347 (99%) were found, 23,178 have already been examined and 0.9% of them were infected. In the province of Guangdong, 9,939 contacts were named, all found, 7,765 are already examined and 4.8% of them were infected. That means: If you have direct personal contact with an infected person, the probability of infection is between 1% and 5%.
Finally, a few direct quotes from the report:
“Much of the global community is not yet ready, in mindset and materially, to implement the measures that have been employed to contain COVID-19 in China. These are the only measures that are currently proven to interrupt or minimize transmission chains in humans. Fundamental to these measures is extremely proactive surveillance to immediately detect cases, very rapid diagnosis and immediate case isolation, rigorous tracking and quarantine of close contacts, and an exceptionally high degree of population understanding and acceptance of these measures.”
“COVID-19 is spreading with astonishing speed; COVID-19 outbreaks in any setting have very serious consequences; and there is now strong evidence that non-pharmaceutical interventions can reduce and even interrupt transmission. Concerningly, global and national preparedness planning is often ambivalent about such interventions. However, to reduce COVID-19 illness and death, near-term readiness planning must embrace the large-scale implementation of high-quality, non-pharmaceutical public health measures. These measures must fully incorporate immediate case detection and isolation, rigorous close contact tracing and monitoring/quarantine, and direct population/community engagement.”
Didn’t realize the web addr would print the article!!!
That’s fine 😉
Reddit threads often disappear.
Carl – It is likely that Chinese response to virus is much more severe than Western countries.
Western countries will likely NOT see the same death rate as Asian and 3rd world countries.
For these reasons:
– Most viral respiratory flu outbreaks originate in and wreak the most havoc in Asian countries.
– One study seemed to indicate a physical – ethnic – vulnerability – more ACE2 receptors. – https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.01.26.919985v1.full
– Western countries have much better sanitation and health care systems.
Agree. I’m itchin’ to get some initial Ro and severity data from Western countries!
In a way, we are seeing it in real time.
ALERT: Did The CDC Order U.S. States To HALT All Coronavirus Testing?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZIJuh0qn3Cc
From anonymous conservative
Corona virus stats : 86,980 confirmed cases worldwide, including 2,979 fatalities. Yesterday was 85,665 confirmed cases worldwide, including 2,933 fatalities. 1.5% increase in cases, 1.6% increase in deaths.
At the above link, South Korea has 3,526 confirmed cases, and 17 deaths. Yesterday was 3150 total with 17 deaths. 12% increase in cases, no increase in deaths. Right now cases are emerging from before everybody panicked and went into containment mode. In a couple of weeks we will see how fast cases are rising in a fairly honest country with good stats once people are in containment mode. If it is low enough it may be possible to hold things off until the summer. The question that should be looked at for future pandemics is, does it pay to panic the population early, before things start to take off, to trigger containment mode, and give authorities a little time to get on top of fewer cases, early on, to contain the disease? Might you even want to hire actors to play sick and drop in the street, and hire containment crews to pick them up and carry then away, just to feed the panic? The alternative may be to avoid panic, and end up with thousands of cases suddenly showing up, and so many potential contacts it is impossible to track everyone down, and then still have panic, only then you’d have a justified panic and an genuine outbreak you couldn’t stop. Now I am wondering if China might have tried that, and maybe those videos could have been staged to make everyone hole up and give the government more power and authority. Probably not, though I thought it strange that in such a monitored and controlled society there was so much video flowing out.
An interesting article on the 1918 flu. basically a highly contagious virus with a 2% mortality rate. Four interesting points – in mid day the streets of major cities were entirely empty, even of cars. It only had a two or three day incubation period, and then it hit like a ton of bricks, and it had the same, maybe a little less mortality than Corona. And it hit developing world nations much harder and had a much higher mortality there than it did in first-world nations. I have been thinking, if Vitamin D were to be a factor, imagine African migrants in winter, in Europe, who would naturally have much lower Vitamin D levels. And finally, the first year wave was the mild one. It was year two when it mutated and then swept through and really got to work. My guess is when it hits, as in China, you apply counter measures like fever detection and quarantine, and it selects for strains that evade detection and have longer incubation periods to overcome quarantine, so in the second wave your protective measures are useless. To say nothing of the fact it will spread unusually easy in cities:
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/journal-plague-year-180965222/
Thank goodness for modern medications and improvements what we know about taking care of ourselves, preventing serious problems.
Thank goodness for modern hospital care as well!
Back then, there were no antibiotics, no aspirin, ibuprofen, naproxen and Tylenol, etc.
Or antivirals
Are antiviral drugs in general use ?
Zovirax for cold sores are otc ( over the counter). Orals are prescription. IV are hospital setting
When our daughter was in the hospital with sepsis that caused serious heart arrhythmia, she was on 17 different medicines, including an IV flu vaccine which I guess was an anti-viral just in case that was the cause.
They were never sure of the cause, but covered all bases and saved her life.
Yep. It takes a while for cultures and sensitivity to come back so you hit it with broad spectrum everything till you can “personalise” the pain for the bug involved
Most of that was heart meds. They never cultured out anything specific, but doctor son-in-law said that 50% of the time, the cultures don’t reveal anything.
True. Control the arythmias. Hit with heavy duty antibiotics, antivirals. Ride out the storm. Treat symptoms as they arrive
If needed a temp pacemaker but last resort as preexisting infection
A big issue is how many drugs are manufactured in China. Ffs they can’t be trusted with formula for their own babies and we outsource meds common serious ailments? They just stop producing or stop supply and kill millions? Navaros right. Got to get the pharmaceuticals to repatriate
Iranian protesters takinjng a hardline approach to quarantine
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/02/report-iranian-protesters-torch-towhid-bandar-abbas-clinic-where-coronavirus-patients-were-being-quarantined-video/
This is an excerpt from a much longer article . . . interesting reading.
https://medium.com/@amwren/forget-about-the-death-rate-this-is-why-you-should-be-worried-about-the-coronavirus-890fbf9c4de6
The Problem
The danger doesn’t come from the virus, it comes from our under-prepared, fragile healthcare systems.
Western governments are responding by saying that they are prepared and ready to deal with the crisis, that it’s similar to the flu.
A recent paper suggested 80% of all cases are mild but 20% of those infected required hospitalization and 14% of those hospitalized require intensive respiratory treatment. 10
Can you guess the number of people that have contracted the flu this year that needed hospitalisation in the US? 0.9%
Let’s use Belgium as an example.
On the 26th of February, a minister answered a question about the preparedness of the country by saying
In Belgium, we have enough beds and sufficient treatment capacity. When we compare it to a winter flue and the number of elderly patients who are hospitalised, the situation is identical
In response, Dr Marc Wathelet, the expert I mentioned earlier wrote a letter to the Belgian government yesterday morning noting that the infectiousness and hospitalisation rates are much higher than the flu.
In my file, I cited the WHO, which on February 10 estimated that 16% of symptomatic patients were in a condition serious enough to require hospitalization. Influenza? 0.2% of cases.
The WHO released a report yesterday stating we now have more precise figures for symptomatic patients: 80% of mild cases, 13% of severe cases (hospitalization), 6% of critical cases (intensive care).
If the proportion of symptomatic cases due to the new coronavirus reaches 1% of the population, we would be on the verge of a hospital crisis due to lack of beds
Humans are pretty good at understanding threats to ourselves. We evolved to be on the lookout for prehistoric predators, and in the modern day we understand that the chances of being hit by lightning, or dying in a plane crash are pretty unlikely.
Evolving to be observant of direct dangers to ourselves seems to have left us terrible at predicting second and third-order effects of events.
When worrying about earthquakes we think first of how many people will die from collapsing buildings and falling rubble. Do we think of how many will die due to destroyed hospitals? How many will die because medicine can no longer be delivered on damaged roads?
The average mortality rate of 2% is with the caveat that our healthcare systems can manage severe cases.
We know that if the virus becomes widespread, they can’t.
We think the virus might be much more infectious than the flu, but let’s assume that only 8% of the UK population gets infected, the same as a severe flu season.
The UK population is 67 million people, that’s 5.4 million infected.
Currents predictions are that 80% of the cases will be mild.
If 20% of those people require hospitalization for 3–6 weeks?
That’s 1,086,176 People.
Do you know how many beds the NHS has? 140,000
If the present data about the virus is correct, even at conservative estimates we are going to have hundreds of thousands of people needing hospitalisation and intensive care. The strain that this will place on the healthcare system cannot be overstated. We are not prepared to deal with a pandemic.
The potential for the healthcare system to be overwhelmed is very real.
If our hospitals are overwhelmed how many will die from unrelated conditions because they can’t get access to healthcare?
How many will die because of shortages of medication?
The limited availability of beds in Wuhan raised their mortality rate from 0.16% to 4.9%
This is why the Chinese government built a hospital in a week. Are our governments capable of doing the same?
The virus is not the main danger, our unprepared medical system and fragile supply chains are.
How many people are going to be prevented from going to work because of quarantine?
The FDA this morning reported the first Drug Shortage in the US caused by the coronavirus.
Who is Adam Wren?
Wren link – https://medium.com/@amwren
Is this the same guy? – https://www.facebook.com/adam.wren.31
Or is it this guy?
https://patstedman.com/2015/03/11/adam-wren-interview/
If I’m understanding correctly, the number of people who need hospital care due to respiratory symptoms is higher with COVID-19 than the flu, and that could overwhelm hospitals.
I keep reading that more people die from the flu every year than COVID-19, and it seems that that is being reported to downplay the seriousness of COVID-19. But if more people need intensive medical care, then it is serious, both because of the disease itself and because of overwhelmed hospitals.
If it is “just the flu,” why did a 30-something Chinese doctor die from it? Did he have other underlying conditions that made him more susceptible?
His problem was stepping into the fiery furnace with a little nudge. The penalty for exposing to the world.
Carl – make sure that this information is on Daughn’s new thread – either in the post or repeated as a comment.
This is absolutely KEY.
This is why I’m pushing rapid discovery of outpatient REPLACEMENTS for hospitalization which reduce the chance of hospitals turning into transmission hubs.
Heck – I’m going to check myself now…..
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I’m wondering if all the thousands of ‘Coronavirus’ cases world-wide have actually been tested accurately, officially, positively.
Count me suspicious cat on this.
IMO, they couldn’t have been tested accurately…just too many variables. 😼
Here’s a plain talk article on boosting your immune system from Harvard Medical School –
https://www.health.harvard.edu/staying-healthy/how-to-boost-your-immune-system
OAN chimes in:
14 FOODS TO EAT WHEN YOU HAVE A COLD
These foods and drinks fight congestion, coughing, fatigue, and other annoying cold and flu symptoms.
https://www.health.com/condition/cold-flu-sinus/what-to-eat-when-you-have-a-cold
Coronavirus May Be Spreading So Quickly Due to Fecal Transmission, Says New Research
LINK – https://www.health.com/condition/infectious-diseases/coronavirus-fecal-transmission
“Essentially, COVID-19 can pass from person to person “if an infected person does not wash their hands properly after using the bathroom,” Jeremy Brown, MD, director of the Office of Emergency Care Research at the National Institutes of Health and author of Influenza: The Hundred-Year Hunt to Cure the Deadliest Disease in History, tells Health. He adds that lots of infections—including Hepatitis, cholera, and viruses that cause gastroenteritis—are also transmitted this way. “
Hi Folks,
The new Coronavirus thread is up and running.
I’ve been working on it all day long.
It’s re-ordered, by section and by date.
I’m beginning to sift through the hundreds of comments to add to the existing structure now, but wanted to get it to you.
Can’t thank you enough for all your help.
You guys are the best.
Promise, I am sifting through every single one of these comments posted here + the fifth thread.
Daughn,
First if you use my stuff please remember to remove the [*] in front of each link. I use it to ‘de-activate’ the link so I do not have to worry about getting booted.
Second, I suggested to Wolfie that perhaps at this point we need to separate the information into categories:
Nutrition hints
physical preventatives
science
politics
Pepper ideas/recipes
LAST:
LOOK AT JO NOVA’s article!
Doc explains how Coronavirus kills. Jo points out obvious: Stop the Flights or Close the schools, lockdown everyone.
http://joannenova.com.au/2020/03/69670/
Goes along with:
Coronavirus: England only has 15 beds for worst respiratory cases
NHS says system will struggle if more than 28 patients need artificial lung treatment
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2020/feb/27/coronavirus-england-only-has-15-beds-for-worst-respiratory-cases
This is why SLOWING the spread is so vital.
MQ – Do you want to add the official webpage for drug shortages to new post?
Link to FDA list of Prescription Drug shortages, updated in February 2020. Many injectables. There’s also a link where they’ve extended expiration dates on several drugs. Still looking for OTC list, haven’t found yet.
https://www.fda.gov/drugs/drug-safety-and-availability/drug-shortages
Another source:
https://www.drugs.com/drug-shortages/
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[Please remove * in front to make URLs ‘alive’]
PREVENTATIVE TIPS
If you must shop, shop early in the morning after the cleaning crew is done, the shelves are stocked and there are few people in the building.
PERSON TO PERSON TRANSMISSION
CDC – ”People with flu can spread it to others up to about 6 feet away. Most experts think that flu viruses spread mainly by droplets made when people with flu cough, sneeze or talk.” EXCEPT CDC IS WRONG!!!
NEW STUDY:
HAND SANITIZING
A pocket full of copper pennies are a good in-store dry hand sanitizer. That is why door knobs are often made of brass, a copper alloy.
Using copper to prevent the spread of respiratory viruses
*https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2015/11/151110102147.htm
HAND WASHING
(From memory from Patriot Nurse) Use water as hot as you can stand wash for 20 secs that is the same as singing happy birthday through twice. 😋
TIP: A small bottle of soapy water and a large bottle of clear water can travel in the vehicle with you. I use Realemon bottles I flip the restrictor out with a pocket knife and then replace it after filling. However the squirt top of an old alcohol bottle fits on a large or small soda bottle too.
How to Wash Your Hands
https://www.thoughtco.com/top-reasons-to-wash-your-hands-4043996
Hand Sanitizers vs Soap vs Plain Tap Water
*https://www.webmd.com/cold-and-flu/news/20050311/which-hand-washing-cleansers-fight-germs-best#1
Do Hand Sanitizers Work and Does Hand Sanitizer Kill Coronavirus
*https://whatkillsit.com/virus/do-hand-sanitizers-work-and-can-they-kill-human-coronavirus/
The above recommendations are from studies on surfaces and not on actual hands from what I understand. That is why the discrepancy. Different agents require different dwell times to kill viruses. Alcohol requires a 10 minute kill time. Ethanol is more lethal than isopropanol (Rubbing alcohol.)
The Truth About Disinfectants: Q&A With An Expert
https://thesurvivalmom.com/truth-about-disinfectants/
SANITIZING SURFACES:
How long does coronavirus live on surfaces?
https://medicalnewsbulletin.com/how-long-does-coronavirus-live-on-surfaces/
LAUNDRY
General look at cleaners:
*https://foodsafety.wisc.edu/consumer/fact_sheets/Cleaners_Sanitizers.pdf
WHEN YOU USE BLEACH TO SANITIZE USE IT ALONE AFTER CLOTHES ARE CLEAN FOR BEST RESULTS!
How to Disinfect Laundry for Bacterial and Viral Infections
https://www.thespruce.com/disinfect-laundry-for-bacterial-viral-infections-2146333
”…the scientists at Cornell University’s Cooperative Extension Yates Association have done the research and provided the information necessary on how to kill bacterial and viral infections in your home laundry….
These four categories of products are safe for fabrics and are available at local stores. They are recognized by microbiologists at the USDA Textile and Clothing Laboratory. Follow the product’s directions…”
There is a lot more information at that site.
OOPS!
Forgot one:
MONEY!
You can use a credit card keep it in a plastic bag, use rubber gloves when using the keypad and try to sanitize everything OR you can use exact change in cash.
YOU CAN WASH BILLS!
I just tried it. I placed a dollar bill in a small fine mess lingerie bag. I then tossed it in with my white towels in an old ‘rip the heck out of your clothes’ agitator washing machine on HOT cycle WITH BLEACH. I now have a nice clean dollar bill. 😋
You can get cash from the bank in a sleeve and then launder it at home if you wish.
Gives a whole new meaning to laundering money. 🙃
Look out the Secret Service and FBI may come after you for money laundering!
“To correctly disinfect a countertop, for example, the surface needs to be visibly wet for four minutes.
That will probably take more wipes than you’re used to using while you clean. Sanitizing, on the other hand, only requires the surface to be visibly wet for ten seconds.
In both cases, you should let the surface air dry.”
https://www.bhg.com/news/disinfecting-mistakes/
I wouldn’t clean countertops with wipes, but rather with a disinfectant and paper towels or a clean washrag.
PS – I buy bleach-able white hotel grade wash cloths and towels by the dozen from Riteway Linens.
https://ritewaylinens.com
Sales@ritewaylinens.com
There are other companies – but this company will ship small quantities – even just one dozen – and is in my state!
I love their Signature bath sheets and all the towels.
TIP – Always wash new towels with vinegar to get them soft and fluffy!
China virus comment II
Statistics out of China, February 17 2020
*https://web.archive.org/web/20200219142101/http://weekly.chinacdc.cn/en/article/id/e53946e2-c6c4-41e9-9a9b-fea8db1a8f51
NUTRITION, CHRONIC INFLAMMATION & a mini test:
Patriot Nurse pointed out in one of her Wuhan Virus videos that the comorbidity factors that increase the possibility of death were all CHRONIC INFLAMMATORY CONDITIONS.
I am a good ‘test subject’ since I have three of those conditions: High blood pressure, pre-diabetes type II and asthma/allergies.
After extensive reading I decided to try some of the vitamins minerals and herbs. I normally take multiple vitamins , Move Free, selenium, iodine and I had started taking Turmeric-Curcumin for back pain. (I get plenty of vitamin D3)
After a week on:
2,000-3000 mg of Vit. C
2,500 mcg of B12
1000 mg cinnamon
435 mg Nettle
450 mg Licorice root.
I am off my anti-hystamines that I have been on almost daily for 60 years. 😲😁
My blood oxygen went from 92-93% up to 95-96% 😁
My need for melatonin as a sleep aid DECREASED.
Seems melatonin has an influence on the immune system that might reduce the potential for a cytokine storm… At lease if you are a mouse .
And my blood pressure that I have been battling for years went from 147/76 (average of four readings) to 122/59. (Getting rid of carbs gradually brought the diastolic down and stabilized it below 80 but I have been fighting my systolic and losing. The only other time I could get it below 132 was when they put me on steroids… HMMMmmm.)
Which brings me to this that I forgot to add to the old nutrition comment:
Note: I also started taking CBD oil three months ago along with the Turmeric. I am now pretty much off NSAID pain killers despite lifting five 50lb feed sacks off the floor a couple times a week AND goat roping today. Have you ever tried to rope a goat… with horns… that weighs as much as you… with a right handed lariat when you are left handed? GROAN…
INFLAMMATION, CYTOKINE STORMS, and FLU VIRUSES
………….….THE SCIENCE
This11 Minute video is very good and gives an understandable explanation of why inflammation is the ‘enemy’
Acute lung infection from viruses can result in a ‘cytokine storm’ where the immune system causes damage to alveoli and lung tissue results in the lethality seen in more severe flu viral infections. In the worse cases the damage can also be to the kidneys, heart and other organs.
Much discussion on vitamins and herbals and MAJOR INFO FOR THOUGHT at that website…
Such as:
Back to inflammation…
I think this is why my CBD (hemp) oil works on my back pain, arthritis and asthma.
Cannabinoids as novel anti-inflammatory drugs
*https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2828614/
Translation:They found that the OTHER compounds, in marijuana (and also hemp) suppress inflammatory responses.
Note: ”… downregulate cytokine and chemokine production….” and the word cytokine
The cytokine storm of severe influenza and development of immunomodulatory therapy
*https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4711683/
Cytokine storm and sepsis disease pathogenesis
*https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/28555385
Cytokine storm plays a direct role in the morbidity and mortality from influenza virus infection and is chemically treatable with a single sphingosine-1-phosphate agonist molecule.
*https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24728596
The cytokine storm of severe influenza and development of immunomodulatory therapy
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4711683/
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Very interesting. So even talking about Iron Nitrogen Tantalum Nitrogen Yttrium Lanthanum Minus “a” might trigger a block.
E.M. Smith aka ChiefIO
ENGLAND
Groniad: Coronavirus: England only has 15 beds for worst respiratory cases
AUSTRALIA
Jo Nova explains WHY we NEED TO PREP!
Jo points out obvious: Stop the Flights or Close the schools, lockdown everyone
As a reader wrote to me yesterday: It’s not practical to close the borders. My reply: It’s not practical to kill 100,000 people either but one or the other may happen. Do the maths, WHO estimates 1% CFR (Case Fatality Rate. Let’s be optimistic, call it 0.5%. Deaths in the next six months: Australia, 125,000; Canada, 175,000; New Zealand, 25,000, USA, 1.6m; UK, 300,000. Geddit?….
As a long time frequenter of Jo’s blog, I have great respect for Jo.
From her ‘about’ page:
“…A prize-winning science graduate in molecular biology. She has given keynotes about the medical revolution, gene technology and aging at conferences. She hosted a children’s TV series on Channel Nine, and has done over 200 radio interviews, many on the Australian ABC. She was formerly an associate lecturer in Science Communication at the ANU.
She is married to Dr David Evans, the Stanford PhD in fourier analysis, former leading carbon modeler for the Australian Greenhouse Office…”
David has a lot of other degrees BTW. A very formidable pair.