2020, March 9th-16th: Coronavirus, COVID19, XIvirus, WuFlu ~ 7th Weekly Update Thread

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Welcome to our seventh thread on the Coronavirus/COVID19. We’ve collected and shared information from hundreds of sources around the world since mid-late January and published a thread (roughly) weekly. We will continue to do so until the crisis subsides. Along the way, we’ve debunked conspiracy theories, analyzed complex medical peer-reviewed studies, examined economic data from every possible angle, and shared common sense household practices to help keep your family safe. We have learned a great deal. Instead of being fearful, we believe in being informed.

Since the international press turned their attention to the story of COVID19, we’ve been surprised by the dissemination of disinformation. Please don’t necessary assume bias by the media, as it could be we are merely 6-7 weeks ahead of their learning curve…. or already debunked a particular conspiracy theory. COVID19/ Wuhan Virus/ SARS2 doesn’t care about politics and strikes without discrimination. That said, as in any crisis, there will be those who seek to use the crisis for political advantage.

Please note, our thread will never be complete. It can’t be. New information breaks daily, and we update constantly in the comment section found below. If you have information, please share it in the comments, and please, include the date and source. We appreciate all sources.

Our thread will be subdivided into the following subjects, for individual ease of use:

  • Primary update links. The dashboard from Johns Hopkins which counts “official” cases all over the world, the CDC, and WHO, and includes the links for our past threads.
  • Hard Data Medical Information- Explanation about testing, reliance on China for drugs, analysis of NE Journal of Medicine results and other published papers.
  • Vaccine and theraputics (new/old drugs to alleviate symptoms) news and updates 
  • Trump Administration response (the timeline and links to various agencies)
  • China Responses, timelines, research, attempt to cover actions, or secrecy in results discovered.
  • An aggregate of info/responses from other countries, listed by country.
  • Economic impact from around the world. A change in economic activity will indicate a “return to normal”.
  • Speculation/debunking on how the virus started
  • Media Bias, political response, and debunking section, like the article from AP News, overt bias from Politico, inflammatory headlines, etc.  
  • Other medical info to boost immune system, herbal remedies, ways to keep your house clean and NOT spread the virus to others. Excellent information to incorporate into daily lifestyle.
  • Hard links for OTHER valuable sources/blogs and a brief sentence or two about what they provide
  • Other news items

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*****HARD DATA MEDICAL INFORMATION*****

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Why Washing Your Hands Works to Kill a Virus: A man named Palli Thordarson is an expert in supramolecular chemistry and the assembly of nanoparticles. He’s from Iceland. Here, he gives an absolutely fascinating read on how a virus is assembled, how soap kills the virus, and it’s easy enough for a kindergartner to understand. In fact, it should be turned into a Public Service Announcement and taught in schools. Well done, Palli!!! https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1236549305189597189.html

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1236549305189597189.html

***** Addressing the issue of TESTING. Let’s get this out of the way, asap.

Were the original test kits from CDC incorrect? Yes, reagent was bad. Whether President Trump should be personally blamed SEEMS to depend on your political affiliation. Yes, it would have been better to have one national clearing house, the CDC, for test results. The Obama Administration thought the same thing during the Ebola outbreak. Yes, 50 Governors and powerful city Mayors, all running state labs creates too many Chieftains. We have to be able to act nationally, cohesively…… and calmly.

The media is driving much of the panic in the USA over this virus, but in our opinion the media is being unfairly criticized as is the Trump Administration. We’re all human. When we are uncertain, we assume the worst. To be FAIR to the media and the politicians, the problem is China’s secrecy. China is to blame for this global problem. Lack of accurate information from Communist China compounds the problem in the general public (which is why people are buying toilet paper and Campbell’s soup) and the slide in global Stock Markets. For instance, for months, we thought we had a death rate of over 4%. Now, the death rate, for those who actually developed pneumonia which is far closer to 1-2% and early indications of .4%, only slightly greater than a regular flu, and the rate will probably go lower as more people in western democracies are tested. Remember, over 80% of people who test positive, never even go to a hospital. We’re talking about 2% pneumonia cases in the 20% of serious cases, which is 4/10ths of 1% or one person in every 250 who test positive…. and those are rates for China, not western democracies with excellent health care systems. https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMe2002387

In another article in the Journal, Guan et al.5 report mortality of 1.4% among 1099 patients with laboratory-confirmed Covid-19. We’re narrowing in on real results.

If one assumes that the number of asymptomatic or minimally symptomatic cases is several times as high as the number of reported cases, the case fatality rate may be considerably less than 1%. This suggests that the overall clinical consequences of Covid-19 may ultimately be more akin to those of a severe seasonal influenza (which has a case fatality rate of approximately 0.1%) or a pandemic influenza (similar to those in 1957 and 1968) rather than a disease similar to SARS or MERS, which have had case fatality rates of 9 to 10% and 36%, respectively.2

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMe2002387

Therefore, when the President says he believes, or “has a hunch” the “death rate” will be far less than 1%, and Sec Azar agreed with him at the CDC presser of March 6th, and Sec Azar stated that assumption is in line with these results published in the NE Journal of Medicine, the President was correct. https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMe2002387 And when Chris Hayes of MSNBC criticizes the President’s “hunch”, insists the President is stupid and should “go play golf for a month” and let the grown ups handle the problem……….. people like Chris Hayes are incorrect, spreading panic and disinformation, distrust of government, for political means and corporate profit.

Not everyone in the USA needs a test for COVID19, once a week. The idea that any government could flip a switch and make available testing for 350 million people on a daily request is patently absurd…………. AND Pundits screaming “I need a test NOW”, when they aren’t even sick, is intentionally designed to create more panic, more financial loss, for all countries. The media has become hyperbolic, the public is being unreasonable, and we all need to calm down and use a little common sense.

March 6, 2020: The Chinese government sent the sequence of the virus to the USA in the beginning of January. The CDC developed a test based on the sequence but had no live virus for samples. There was nothing wrong with the CDC test, this is a media myth. The CDC test was/is accurate and always has been. Any physician or public health official who needed to conduct a test was allowed to submit to CDC for results. Presidential Press Conference, March 6, 2020, at the CDC.

In the beginning of our virus issue …. shipping the samples to Atlanta for testing caused a delay of a day or two. Yet, it’s vital for a national government to be able to accrue results, look for hot spots of infection, so they can take quick and decisive action to close borders/business/issue advisories, shut down ports, etc. in various regions of the country. Does not matter if the administration would be Dem or Repub. The ability to make decisions at the highest levels, as quickly as possible, cannot be hindered.

Months later, we needed to make testing easier and closer to physicians in the field. Yet, if “Dr. Drew” developed ONE test in Hollywood, and “Dr. OZ” developed a different test in NYC, we would have no reliable data, right? We had to make sure all states issued the same test. States’ labs needed to submit to FDA for approval so we have the same protocols across all states. This regulation existed under the FDA protocols established for the Ebola Outbreak under the Obama Administration. President Trump’s Admin cleared/removed red tape for necessary approval of “everything” submitted to FDA and streamlined the process (once a lab was checked and approved, they were fine to proceed). This is not a partisan criticism of the Obama Admin by the Trump Admin, it was merely a fact, and the process was altered to suit the threat we now face. Of course, the media headlines went something like, “Trump blames Obama for COVID19 problems.” Not helpful and inserts politics into a medical problem.

While trying to get the states health departments up to speed, some did well on first pass (with FDA) but a few did not. All states now complying. Additionally, the Trump Admin enlisted the private sector, Quest Diagnostics and other Labs, to process as many tests as we may need……. this means tests can be done as fast as humanly possible, within a doctor’s office, very soon. In the interim, testing is still available from CDC or state’s public health offices,…. must be referred by a physician.

Please know, this particular virus has been difficult to detect in ALL countries, and we list below a litany of sources detailing the problem of diagnosing COVID19. False positives created more “community spread”, meaning, someone who was tested and thought to be free of COVID19 then traveled or spread the disease to many people in their own circle of contacts. In some cases, drastic measures were necessary, CT Scans were required to detect the virus, which hides deep in lung tissue … or the problem of a more complicated test of lung sputum, which then indicated 11% more incidents of presence of COVID19.

As the physicians from CDC explained in presser of March 6th linked above, a drive through, cotton swab, pregnancy type test….. and sampling the general public, as was done in South Korea, is not really helpful when it comes to identifying particular circles of contacts which spread the disease. (Yet, it might be helpful to test healthcare workers before beginning a shift or to determine community spread.) President Moon was widely criticized and over a million people people demanded his resignation due to his slowness in shutting down the border with China. First, there were problems with those tests in South Korea, and second, the gov’t needs to allocate efforts to tracing contacts to isolate those who might be infected.

Social media accelerates the problem of panic. Example: Young female New Yorker reads a story about a citizen who tested positive in NYC. She coughs at work that day and goes to visit her doctor seeking a test for COVID19 for reassurance she does not have the virus. Doctor asks her questions, but refuses her test. Woman goes home and takes a day off work, spending the day on the couch, surfing social media. She is now convinced she was refused a $1400 COVID19 test available via her private insurer, because there are not enough tests, the President is awful, all Asian people are infected, and she thinks she will die…… which she explains to all her friends on social media….. creating further panic, flooding doctor’s offices and state and local health departments.

Any objective person can see where this would create a problem of overloading our health care system, create bigger problems by limiting supplies for healthcare workers, who need to treat the truly sick, AND possibly MORE illness/death created by spending valuable time on those who were never sick……… but just nervous. Below, we detail a story of Veterinarians pleading with people to stop buying masks because they don’t have enough to operate on our pets.

Additionally, there is a financial component on testing. Below, we provide links to sources claiming cost of up to $1400 per test (virus has to be extracted, a reagent is required, rather complicated). Private labs who operate “for profit” offered their version of “tests” locally to hospitals, to get around a delay of a few days at CDC, and leaked to media the “ease of their operation” which of course, came at a price….. Media complied, and yes, over-hyped the concern about the virus, leading to states demanding MORE control over testing, which would be more convenient, yet the Governors also demanded the Federal Government to pay for an ever increasing number of differing tests, using different protocols, which created bad data to get a real picture of the virus spread in the USA. We needed one accurate test, to which everyone adhered.

Trump Admin met with private health insurers and all co-pays will be provided free of charge. Medical care will be approved per Sec Azar. On gov’t side, all testing is free, per Administrator of HHS Verma.

*****Hard Data Medical ~ America’s Vulnerability to China for Pharmaceuticals and Medical Supplies

Yes, the USA is dependent on China for many pharmaceuticals as well as the ingredients to create these pharmaceuticals. Part of the 4-pronged approach of the Trump Admin is to address the immediate need for these supplies………… as well as look at long term national security implications of shipping all our health theraputics (manufacture of common medicines) overseas for the past 30yrs. Below, we list several articles on this topic, as well as the Peter Navarro interview. Navarro and now others, are in charge of addressing this problem.

  • February 12th, 2020: Valuable information is found in Pandemic Episode 15. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aS7c_vqU4M4
  • Rosemary Gibson, Senior Advisor to the Hastings Center, took three years to investigate the state of Americas pharmaceuticals, culminating in the book “China RX”. 
  • Did you know the last aspirin factory in the USA closed down in 2004?
  • Did you know that the USA can no longer MAKE Vitamin C?
  • Did you know the USA no longer makes penicillin?  
  • Did you know tainted Heparin from China cause many deaths of American citizens….. it was Made in China. And did you know that our politicians have known about the problem/national security/health security for decades?
  • Also within this program is an interview with Mike Bowen, Senior VP and owner of Prestige Ameritech, the last manufacturer of N-95 Medical Grade Masks in the USA. It’s an interview which will make most Americans scream in frustration, and cry because of the ineptness of our bureaucrats and trade policies……. The facility used to supply about 79% of the market in the USA until purchased by Kimberly Clark….. shut down and shipped overseas, losing thousands of jobs and endangering Americans. It’s a must watch.
  • February 20, 2020: According to new research from the Chinese Center for Disease Control and Prevention (CCDC), those with confirmed cases of the novel coronavirus (aka, COVID-19) have live virus in stool specimens. That means, in addition to spreading via close contact with the respiratory secretions of patients (aka, droplets produced by coughing or sneezing), COVID-19 can also be transmitted via a fecal-oral route. https://www.health.com/condition/infectious-diseases/coronavirus-fecal-transmission
  • February 26, 2020: Senator Josh Hawley introduces legislation to bring our supply chain of medical supplies back to the USA. https://www.theepochtimes.com/josh-hawley-introducing-new-legislation-to-reduce-us-reliance-on-chinese-medical-supplies_3251050.html
  • March 2, 2020: Breitbart. Dr Marc Siegel. The coronavirus outbreak illustrates the need for America’s economy to decouple from China, assessed Siegel. “We’re relying on China for 90 percent of our ingredients for pharmaceuticals,” Siegel remarked. “That hopefully will change as a result of this because we’re going to end up with tremendous shortages of basic drugs, including antibiotics and blood pressure medication if this continues much longer in Wuhan.” Siegel concluded, “This is a wake-up call that we must make more of our pharmaceuticals here in the United States.” https://www.breitbart.com/radio/2020/03/01/dr-marc-siegel-on-coronavirus-ive-never-seen-an-emerging-contagion-handled-better/

The Trump Admin has a 4-prong approach to their task force dealing with Wuhan Flu. ONE portion of the problem relates to immediate procurement of drugs and supplies which are no longer made in the USA. Peter Navarro was tasked with this problem in Mid-January, slightly ahead of the official designation of the task force on January 31, 2020. Since then, Steve Mnuchin Sec of Treas, and others have been added to the Task Force as well as various aides.

February 23, 2020: Peter Navarro interview with Maria Bartiromo. He discusses China, Taiwan and India banned the export of face masks to reserve them for desperate residents. https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/02/trump-trade-adviser-navarro-china-put-export-restrictions-on-n95-face-masks-then-nationalized-a-us-factory-that-produces-them-there-video/

Maria my job at the White House during this crisis is to review the supply chains we need to treat corona. There’s over 30 different elements just for that alone. And what I’ve learned so far and not surprisingly is that we’ve offshored far too much of our supply chain not just for corona but also for the essential medicines we need… In terms of the immediate issue face masks, the N95 face masks. China put export restrictions on those masks and then nationalized an American factory that produces them there. So we’re dealing with that in Trump time.

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/02/trump-trade-adviser-navarro-china-put-export-restrictions-on-n95-face-masks-then-nationalized-a-us-factory-that-produces-them-there-video/

*****FDA list of Prescription Drug shortages, updated in February 2020. Many injectables. There’s also a link where they’ve extended expiration dates on several drugs. Still looking for OTC list, haven’t found yet. https://www.fda.gov/drugs/drug-safety-and-availability/drug-shortages Another source: https://www.drugs.com/drug-shortages/

*****Hard Medical Data: WHAT WE KNOW ABOUT THE CHINESE CORONA VIRUS******

The following sources detail many different published papers from all over the world. We’re looking for real and reliable information.

February 5, 2020: SARS-CoV-2 Cell Entry Depends on ACE2 and TMPRSS2 and Is Blocked by a Clinically Proven Protease Inhibitor https://www.cell.com/cell/fulltext/S0092-8674(20)30229-4

Highlights
• SARS-CoV-2 uses the SARS-CoV receptor ACE2 for host cell entry
• The spike protein of SARS-CoV-2 is primed by TMPRSS2
• Antibodies against SARS-CoV spike may offer some protection against SARS-CoV-2

Summary
The recent emergence of the novel, pathogenic SARS-coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) in China and its rapid national and international spread pose a global health emergency. Cell entry of coronaviruses depends on binding of the viral spike (S) proteins to cellular receptors and on S protein priming by host cell proteases. Unravelling which cellular factors are used by SARS-CoV-2 for entry might provide insights into viral transmission and reveal therapeutic targets.
Here, we demonstrate that SARS-CoV-2 uses the SARS-CoV receptor ACE2 for entry and the serine protease TMPRSS2 for S protein priming. A TMPRSS2 inhibitor approved for clinical use blocked entry and might constitute a treatment option.
Finally, we show that the sera from convalescent SARS patients cross-neutralized SARS-2-S-driven entry. Our results reveal important commonalities between SARS-CoV-2 and SARS-CoV infection and identify a potential target for antiviral intervention.

https://www.cell.com/cell/fulltext/S0092-8674(20)30229-4

TCells/Biology 101 and why they are important: Let’s say you get a cut on your finger. Within a few days, the area becomes swollen and pussy. The white puss is dead T Cells (Lymphatic system) who died in honor of saving your body from the localized infection brought on by the cut. T Cells are the soldiers in your body who hunt down cells which should NOT be in your body and attack them. If T Cells are weakened, permanently, then you are vulnerable to disease. Body’s natural defense is compromised. Formal explanation: https://medium.com/@edwardnirenberg/sars-cov-2-and-the-lessons-we-have-to-learn-from-it-e2017fd5d3c

February 18, 2020: Patients who recover from Coronavirus may have problems with T-Cells. “CONCLUSIONS T cell counts are reduced significantly in COVID-19 patients, and the surviving T cells appear functionally exhausted. Non-ICU patients, with total T cells, CD8+T cells CD4+T cells counts lower than 800/μL, 300/μL, and 400/μL, respectively, may still require aggressive intervention even in the immediate absence of more severe symptoms due to a high risk for further deterioration in condition. https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.02.18.20024364v1

Alveoli Sacs/Biology 101 and why they are important: Alveoli sacs collect oxygen in the lungs and deliver oxygen throughout the bloodstream. Lack of oxygen causes organs to die. COVID19 seems to cause damage to the Alveoli sacs, triggering an excess of mucus production, and impairs the transfer of oxygen to other organs. Formal explanation: https://medium.com/@edwardnirenberg/sars-cov-2-and-the-lessons-we-have-to-learn-from-it-e2017fd5d3c

Now that we understand how T cells function throughout our body and how Alveoli Sacs convert oxygen in our lungs to keep other organs healthy, read the following article below on autopsy results from COVID19 victims.

February 29, 2020: Global Times, important article: Valuable information discovered in the autopsies of deceased victims of Coronavirus. https://www.globaltimes.cn/content/1181121.shtml

Autopsies show severe damage to COVID-19 patients’ lungs and immune system, according to a doctor in Wuhan reached by the Global Times, who called for measures to prevent fibrosis of the lungs at an early stage of the disease. (this is KEY!!!!)

“The influence of COVID-19 on the human body is like a combination of SARS and AIDS as it damages both the lungs and immune systems,” Peng Zhiyong, director of the intensive care unit of the Zhongnan Hospital of Wuhan University in Wuhan, told the Global Times on Friday. Peng …. talked to Liu Liang, a forensic specialist from the Tongji Medical College at Huazhong University of Science and Technology. Liu’s team has reportedly conducted nine autopsies on deceased COVID-19 patients as of February 24.

“The autopsy results Liu shared inspired me a lot. Based on the results, I think the most important thing now is to take measures at an early stage of the disease to protect patients’ lungs from irreversible fibrosis,” Peng noted. If irreversible damage is done, other measures, like those to prevent patients from oxygen deficit, will not be of much use, he said.

Liu’s team published a paper on an autopsy they conducted in the Journal of Forensic Medicine on Tuesday. The paper said there was apparent damage to the patient’s lungs. An excess production of mucus spilled out of the alveoli, indicating COVID-19 causes an inflammation response that damages deep airways and pulmonary alveoli. The patient, an 85-year-old man, exhibited similar pathological changes to those caused by SARS and MERS. Fibrosis in his lungs was not as serious as was seen in SARS patients, but an exudative reaction was more apparent, possibly due to the short course of his disease. News about the paper went viral on Chinese social media platforms on Friday.

Some news reports said that Liu’s team’s autopsies showed that sputum bolt is one the main reasons that caused COVID-19 patients’ deaths. Some medical staff have used sputum aspirators for patients based on the results, which led to a decline by half in the number of deaths in Wuhan on Wednesday.

The National Health Commission (NHC) said Wuhan reported 42 deaths on Tuesday and 19 on Wednesday. However, Peng doubted the reports, saying that he believes the decline was due to the improving situation and shrinking patients pool. “Even if the autopsy results are helpful, the effectiveness would not come out so quickly. It takes at least one week to observe,” Peng said. He warned that the number of deaths may rebound as he knows many critical patients in Wuhan have held out for one month but are still in danger and could die anytime. There were 6,775 critical patients in Wuhan as of Thursday and the number of deaths Wuhan authority reported on Thursday was 28, according to NHC.

The patient mentioned in the paper was hospitalized in January for a cerebral infraction, the death of tissue in the brain resulting from inadequate blood supply. He was confirmed to be infected with novel coronavirus 13 days later and died after a further 15 days. The autopsy was conducted within 12 hours of his death. No apparent pathological changes were found in his digestive system, spleen or brain, the report said. Liu’s team conducted the first on February 16, about a month after the outbreak. Liu previously told media that he and his team had proposed to the Wuhan government to conduct autopsies soon after the outbreak.

The government and local hospitals agreed on the necessity of autopsies but could not provide proper locations. They also worried about risks of viral transmission during such autopsies. Yang Zhanqiu, deputy director of the pathogen biology department at Wuhan University, explained that preparation and risk evaluation of the autopsy of COVID-19 patients is crucial, as it may cause containment of the hospital or medical members. Also, Chinese traditional thoughts of preserving the body of the deceased may hinder the autopsy process, which requires family consent, Yang told the Global Times.

https://www.globaltimes.cn/content/1181121.shtml

How do we get ahead of the virus? How do we prevent fibrosis in the lungs?Here is great practical advice from a local infectious disease physician: By the time they have fever and/or cough and go to the hospital, the lung is usually 50% Fibrosis and it’s too late = patient will require Intensive Care and we need to keep as many people as possible OUT of our ICUs. Follow items below:

1. If you only have a runny nose and sputum, you have a common cold
2. Coronavirus pneumonia manifests a dry cough with no runny nose.
3. This new virus is not heat-resistant and will be killed by a temperature of just 79/80 degrees. It hates the Sun.
4. If someone sneezes with it, it takes about 10 feet before it drops to the ground and is no longer airborne.
5. If it drops on a metal surface it will live for at least 12 hours – so if you come into contact with any metal surface – wash your hands as soon as you can with a bacterial soap.
6. On fabric it can survive for 6-12 hours. Normal laundry detergent will kill it.
7. Drinking warm water is effective for all viruses. Try not to drink liquids with ice.
8. Wash your hands frequently as the virus can only live on your hands for 5-10 minutes, but – a lot can happen during that time – you can rub your eyes, pick your nose unwittingly and so on.
9. You should also gargle as a prevention. A simple solution of salt in warm water will suffice.
10. Can’t emphasize enough – drink plenty of water!

THE SYMPTOMS of COVID19:
1. It will first infect the throat, so you’ll have a sore throat lasting 3/4 days.
2. The virus then blends into a nasal fluid that enters the trachea and then the lungs, causing pneumonia. This takes about 5/6 days after that.
3. With the pneumonia comes high fever and difficulty in breathing.
4. The nasal congestion is not like the normal kind. You feel like you’re drowning. It’s imperative you then seek immediate attention.

Follow a simple health test every morning which Taiwan experts provide:
Take a deep breath and hold your breath for more than 10 seconds. If you complete it successfully without coughing, without discomfort, stiffness or tightness, etc., it proves there is no Fibrosis in the
lungs, basically indicates no infection.

Excellent advice by Japanese doctors treating COVID-19 cases: Everyone should ensure your mouth & throat are moist, never dry. Take a few sips of water every 15 minutes at least. Why? Even if the virus gets into your mouth, drinking water or other liquids will wash them down through your throat and into the stomach. Once there, your stomach acid will kill all the virus. If you don’t
drink enough water more regularly, the virus can enter your windpipe and into the lungs.
That’s very dangerous.

  • February 29, 2020: New England Journal of Medicine. Wohan flu. We extracted data regarding 1099 patients with laboratory-confirmed Covid-19 from 552 hospitals in 30 provinces, autonomous regions, and municipalities in China through January 29, 2020. The primary composite end point was admission to an intensive care unit (ICU), the use of mechanical ventilation, or death. The median age of the patients was 47 years; 41.9% of the patients were female. The primary composite end point occurred in 67 patients (6.1%), including 5.0% who were admitted to the ICU, 2.3% who underwent invasive mechanical ventilation, and 1.4% who died. Only 1.9% of the patients had a history of direct contact with wildlife. Among nonresidents of Wuhan, 72.3% had contact with residents of Wuhan, including 31.3% who had visited the city. The most common symptoms were fever (43.8% on admission and 88.7% during hospitalization) and cough (67.8%). Diarrhea was uncommon (3.8%). The median incubation period was 4 days (interquartile range, 2 to 7). https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2002032?query=RP
  • February 29, 2020: Hong Kong. A dog tested positive for Coronavirus. https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/dog-in-hong-kong-tests-positive-for-coronavirus
  • March 1, 2020: “Undiagnosed and asymptomatic persons infected with coronavirus are not captured in data for quantifying mortality rates, explained Siegel, “Mild cases that are being undiagnosed make [coronavirus] seem more deadly.” In other words, only extremely sick people presented themselves at a hospital for medical care making the fatality rate appear higher. https://wqth.wordpress.com/2020/03/01/2020-march1st-7th-coronavirus-covid19-xivirus-wuflu-6th-update-thread/comment-page-1/#comment-414981
Comparing Coronavirus to Ebola/SARS/MERS, etc. 10 minute video
  • March 3, 2020: Full Presser with Chair of WHO, found on Periscope here: https://www.pscp.tv/WHO/1zqKVloPyawJB
  • March 4, 2020: Gene sequencing by Beijing Ditan Hospital found coronavirus in the cerebrospinal fluid of a 56-year-old confirmed #COVID19 patient with encephalitis, which provides evidence that COVID19 can invade patients’ nervous systems, just like SARS and MERS. https://twitter.com/globaltimesnews/status/1235178507820347392
  • March 5, 2020: Although Coronavirus/WuFlu is a respiratory illness effecting the ACE2 receptors deep in lung tissue, please take risks to cardiovascular health. Details found here: https://www.nature.com/articles/s41569-020-0360-5#author-information
  • March 6, 2020: REGULAR FLU SEASON IN THE USA ~ From NBC. At least 34 million Americans have been sickened with the flu so far this season and an estimated 20,000 people have died from it, with the illness taking a higher-than-expected toll on children, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention reported Friday. As of Feb. 29, there also were 136 flu-related deaths in children reported this season. That total is higher than every season since reporting began in 2004-2005 with the exception of the 2009 pandemic, the CDC said.
  • March 6, 2020: From Japan, a study of results in treating the patients from the Diamond Princess Cruise Ship: ““The Japanese Association for Infectious Diseases (JAID) have published a report on their website detailing the symptomatic improvement and recovery seen following administration of inhaler-type medication used in the treatment of asthma to patients suffering from pneumonia as a result of the novel coronavirus.” Original source in Japanese found here: http://www.kansensho.or.jp/uploads/files/topics/2019ncov/covid19_casereport_200302_02.pdf Translation of report found at Reddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/COVID19/comments/fcohpi/japanese_clinical_group_publishes_case_studies/
  • March 6, 2020: Small study of 103 cases within China showing the virus can and has mutated. “In the study, a group of researchers in China analyzed the genomes of coronaviruses taken from 103 patients with COVID-19, the disease caused by SARS-CoV-2, in Wuhan, China, the epicenter of the outbreak. The team found differences in the genomes, which they said could be categorized into two “strains” of the coronavirus: the “L” type and the “S” type, the researchers wrote in the study, which was published Tuesday (March 3) in the journal National Science Review. Repeated here https://www.livescience.com/coronavirus-mutations.html
  • March 19, 2020: Dysregulation of Immune Response in Patients with COVID-19 in Wuhan, China, 18 Pages, Posted: 2 Mar 2020 https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3541136&fbclid=IwAR1uXGzYq6w5ROrrcTKFglNsxiiVsMOl_AqaY3DQnAS2Z0X7SMcpxAfi1fM
  • Background: In December 2019, a novel coronavirus, severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2), emerged in Wuhan and rapidly spread throughout China. The immune response is likely to be highly involved in the pathological process of coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19). However, information on specific changes of immune response in COVID-19 are limited.
  • Methods: Demographic and clinical data of all confirmed cases with COVID-19 on admission at Tongji Hospital from January 10 to February 12, 2020, were collected and analyzed. The expression of lymphocytes, lymphocyte subsets, infection related biomarkers and inflammatory cytokines were analyzed and compared between severe cases and non-severe patients.
  • Findings: Of the 452 patients with COVID-19 recruited from January 10 to February 12, 2020, 286 were diagnosed as severe infection. The median age was 58 years and 235 were male. 201 patients had chronic diseases and a higher percentage in the severe cases. The most common symptoms were fever, shortness of breath, expectoration, and fatigue. Severe cases tend to have higher white blood cell and neutrophil lymphopenia ratio (NLR), as well as lower percentages of monocytes, eosinophils, and basophils. Most of severe cases demonstrated elevated levels of infection-related biomarkers, and inflammatory cytokines. The numbers of B cells, T cells and NK cells was significantly decreased in patients with COVID-19, and more severely decreased in the severe cases. T cells were shown to be most affected by SARS-CoV-2, and more hampered in severe cases. Both helper T cells and suppressor T cells in patients with COVID-19 were below normal levels. Helper T cells tend to be more affected in severe cases. The percentage of naïve helper T cells increased and memory helper T cells decreased in severe cases. Patients with COVID-19 have lower level of regulatory T cells, and more obviously damaged in severe cases.
  • March 27, 2020 – Posted from an ER MD in New Orleans: VALUABLE INFO

“I am an ER MD in New Orleans. Class of 98. Every one of my colleagues have now seen several hundred Covid 19 patients and this is what I think I know.

Clinical course is predictable. 2-11 days after exposure (day 5 on average) flu like symptoms start. Common are fever, headache, dry cough, myalgias(back pain), nausea without vomiting, abdominal discomfort with some diarrhea, loss of smell, anorexia, fatigue.

Day 5 of symptoms- increased SOB, and bilateral viral pneumonia from direct viral damage to lung parenchyma. Day 10- Cytokine storm leading to acute ARDS and multiorgan failure. You can literally watch it happen in a matter of hours. 81% mild symptoms, 14% severe symptoms requiring hospitalization, 5% critical.

Patient presentation is varied. Patients are coming in hypoxic (even 75%) without dyspnea. I have seen Covid patients present with encephalopathy, renal failure from dehydration, DKA. I have seen the bilateral interstitial pneumonia on the xray of the asymptomatic shoulder dislocation or on the CT’s of the (respiratory) asymptomatic polytrauma patient. Essentially if they are in my ER, they have it. Seen three positive flu swabs in 2 weeks and all three had Covid 19 as well. Somehow this ***** has told all other disease processes to get out of town.

China reported 15% cardiac involvement. I have seen covid 19 patients present with myocarditis, pericarditis, new onset CHF and new onset atrial fibrillation. I still order a troponin, but no cardiologist will treat no matter what the number in a suspected Covid 19 patient. Even our non covid 19 STEMIs at all of our facilities are getting TPA in the ED and rescue PCI at 60 minutes only if TPA fails.

Diagnostic CXR- bilateral interstitial pneumonia (anecdotally starts most often in the RLL so bilateral on CXR is not required). The hypoxia does not correlate with the CXR findings. Their lungs do not sound bad. Keep your stethoscope in your pocket and evaluate with your eyes and pulse ox.

Labs- WBC low, Lymphocytes low, platelets lower then their normal, Procalcitonin normal in 95% CRP and Ferritin elevated most often. CPK, D-Dimer, LDH, Alk Phos/AST/ALT commonly elevated. Notice D-Dimer- I would be very careful about CT PE these patients for their hypoxia. The patients receiving IV contrast are going into renal failure and on the vent sooner.

Basically, if you have a bilateral pneumonia with normal to low WBC, lymphopenia, normal procalcitonin, elevated CRP and ferritin- you have covid-19 and do not need a nasal swab to tell you that.

A ratio of absolute neutrophil count to absolute lymphocyte count greater than 3.5 may be the highest predictor of poor outcome. the UK is automatically intubating these patients for expected outcomes regardless of their clinical presentation.

An elevated Interleukin-6 (IL6) is an indicator of their cytokine storm. If this is elevated watch these patients closely with both eyes.Other factors that appear to be predictive of poor outcomes are thrombocytopenia and LFTs 5x upper limit of normal.

Disposition I had never discharged multifocal pneumonia before. Now I personally do it 12-15 times a shift. 2 weeks ago we were admitting anyone who needed supplemental oxygen. Now we are discharging with oxygen if the patient is comfortable and oxygenating above 92% on nasal cannula. We have contracted with a company that sends a paramedic to their home twice daily to check on them and record a pulse ox. We know many of these patients will bounce back but if it saves a bed for a day we have accomplished something. Obviously we are fearful some won’t make it back.

We are a small community hospital. Our 22 bed ICU and now a 4 bed Endoscopy suite are all Covid 19. All of these patients are intubated except one. 75% of our floor beds have been cohorted into covid 19 wards and are full. We are averaging 4 rescue intubations a day on the floor. We now have 9 vented patients in our ER transferred down from the floor after intubation.

Luckily we are part of a larger hospital group. Our main teaching hospital repurposed space to open 50 new Covid 19 ICU beds this past Sunday so these numbers are with significant decompression. Today those 50 beds are full. They are opening 30 more by Friday. But even with the “lockdown”, our AI models are expecting a 200-400% increase in covid 19 patients by 4/4/2020.

Treatment Supportiveworldwide 86% of covid 19 patients that go on a vent die. Seattle reporting 70%. Our hospital has had 5 deaths and one patient who was extubated. Extubation happens on day 10 per the Chinese and day 11 per Seattle.

Plaquenil which has weak ACE2 blockade doesn’t appear to be a savior of any kind in our patient population. Theoretically, it may have some prophylactic properties but so far it is difficult to see the benefit to our hospitalized patients, but we are using it and the studies will tell. With Plaquenil’s potential QT prolongation and liver toxic effects (both particularly problematic in covid 19 patients), I am not longer selectively prescribing this medication as I stated on a previous post.

We are also using Azithromycin, but are intermittently running out of IV.

Do not give these patient’s standard sepsis fluid resuscitation. Be very judicious with the fluids as it hastens their respiratory decompensation. Outside the DKA and renal failure dehydration, leave them dry.

Proning vented patients significantly helps oxygenation. Even self proning the ones on nasal cannula helps. Vent settings- Usual ARDS stuff, low volume, permissive hypercapnia, etc. Except for Peep of 5 will not do. Start at 14 and you may go up to 25 if needed.

Do not use Bipap- it does not work well and is a significant exposure risk with high levels of aerosolized virus to you and your staff. Even after a cough or sneeze this virus can aerosolize up to 3 hours.

The same goes for nebulizer treatments. Use MDI. you can give 8-10 puffs at one time of an albuterol MDI. Use only if wheezing which isn’t often with covid 19. If you have to give a nebulizer must be in a negative pressure room; and if you can, instruct the patient on how to start it after you leave the room.

Do not use steroids, it makes this worse. Push out to your urgent cares to stop their usual practice of steroid shots for their URI/bronchitis.

We are currently out of Versed, Fentanyl, and intermittently Propofol. Get the dosing of Precedex and Nimbex back in your heads.

One of my colleagues who is a 31 yo old female who graduated residency last may with no health problems and normal BMI is out with the symptoms and an SaO2 of 92%. She will be the first of many.

I PPE best I have. I do wear a MaxAir PAPR the entire shift. I do not take it off to eat or drink during the shift. I undress in the garage and go straight to the shower. My wife and kids fled to her parents outside Hattiesburg. The stress and exposure at work coupled with the isolation at home is trying. But everyone is going through something right now. Everyone is scared; patients and employees. But we are the leaders of that emergency room. Be nice to your nurses and staff. Show by example how to tackle this crisis head on. Good luck to us all.”

https://www.reddit.com/r/China_Flu/comments/fplo2j/travel_nurse_networkthe_gypsie_nurse/

1. China does not have enough tests kits to document all suspected cases. The test can easily show a negative for people with the disease. Politically, China has good reason to lie. Also since it is a deep lung infection a cheek or throat swap can give a false negative. Coughed up sputum gives 11% more positives.

2. The virus attaches to ACE2 expressers deep in the lungs.
Men have 4 times as many ACE2 expressers as women and are 3 times as likely to get it.
Asians have 5 times as many as Africans/Europeans.One study seemed to indicate a physical – ethnic – vulnerability – more ACE2 receptors. – https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.01.26.919985v1.full

In early stats, (Jan2 – 41 people) less than half had underlying diseases BUT it does affect those with chronic inflammatory diseases including diabetes, hypertension, and cardiovascular disease (probably asthma too.)

3. Those without symptoms or with very mild symptoms can spread it. It can be spread via coughs, contact surfaces and with feces. Diarrhea is one of the possible symptoms. (Not good for San Fran-feces.)

Surface Survival of the Virus
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EQCd7TEUUAAOxw_.jpg

4. We do not know how many without symptoms may have come over on early flights. Running a temperature many not appear immediately after contact with the virus.
”mean incubation period to be 6.4 (5.6 – 7.7, 95% CI) days, ranging from 2.1 to 11.1 days”
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.01.27.20018986v2

Revised: 6.4 –> 5.2 days. (~5 to 7 days) https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.02.02.20020016v1

”….time in hospital prior to death 10+ days I think for most of them….
…I have seen several references that said about 25% of confirmed cases get serious complications and something like 15% end up in ICU.” – Larry L.

76% of the confirmed 2019-nCov cases from 1 hospital in Wuhan required oxygen therapy.

5. According to MedCram US CDC/hospitals are using a SWAB (throat?) and 11 out of 178 tested positive. The problem is a throat or cheek swab while simpler to obtain, give false negatives while sputum samples are more reliable.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4187748/
https://www.who.int/csr/disease/coronavirus_infections/LaboratoryTestingNovelCoronavirus_21Dec12.pdf

6. The first victim here in the USA required a long hospital stay of at least 2 weeks. He was still coughing after two weeks and therefore probably still infectious.

7. People the most at risk are 50 years and over with pre-existing chronic inflammatory diseases. (Patriot Nurse)

Mortality by age comparison between MERS, SARS and 2019-nCoV
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EPezgqvXkAExryP.jpg

TAIPEI (Taiwan News) summed it up this way:

…the Wuhan coronavirus has three features:

♦️ it is an RNA virus that mutates easily,
♦️ it is more contagious than SARS,
♦️ and it can spread from an asymptomatic person.

This means that even someone who has recovered from the virus can transmit it, making it more difficult to curb its spread.

As a result, Hsieh said it is possible that the virus could stay dormant in the body after recovery and come back to haunt the host in winter or when their immune system is weakened…. *

https://www.taiwannews.com.tw/en/news/3869848

******HARD DATA ON MASKS AND GLOVES******

MASKS
”There is a minimum effective infectious dose. Greater doses increases the likelihood of infection. This also affects the incubation period. The lower the exposure, the longer the time needed for the infection to get going internally; and with that, the longer it will be before that person becomes infections and/or shows symptoms. Recall that most symptoms are due to activation of the immune system, and not from the infection itself.” — cdquarles 

Masks don’t work like you think: “…..It’s no surprise that face masks are in short supply—despite the CDC specifically not recommending them for healthy people trying to protect against COVID-19. “It seems kind of intuitively obvious that if you put something—whether it’s a scarf or a mask—in front of your nose and mouth, that will filter out some of these viruses that are floating around out there,” says Dr. William Schaffner, professor of medicine in the division of infectious diseases at Vanderbilt University. The only problem: that’s not effective against respiratory illnesses like the flu and COVID-19. If it were, “the CDC would have recommended it years ago,” he says. “It doesn’t, because it makes science-based recommendations.” https://time.com/5794729/coronavirus-face-masks/

For the painter/farmer masks: (N95 or N100)
3m has p100 filters with no sorbents, such as #2091, and then I saw ‘improved’ version #2291 I think. The 2091 are bright fuscia. I think I’ve seen people ambulating near Stanford hospital sporting these as facial fashion. Much easier to breath, and very comfortable with the 7502 ‘faceplate’. I had no sense of ‘rebreathing’ or claustro.

How to properly wear a mask- short video in link: https://twitter.com/i/status/1221247891714514945

https://www.healthline.com/health/cold-flu/mask#4

How to Put on and Remove a Face Mask 

Larry Ledwick  has a HOW TO
for homemade mask:
https://chiefio.wordpress.com/2020/02/01/ghe-2019-ncov-corona-virus-outbreak/#comment-123794

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*****VACCINE NEWS AND UPDATES******

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Explaining the vaccine process: USA Vaccine Product Approval Process:
https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/basics/test-approve.html

A robust research effort is currently under way to develop a vaccine against Covid-19.10 We anticipate that the first candidates will enter phase 1 trials by early spring. Therapy currently consists of supportive care while a variety of investigational approaches are being explored.11 Among these are the antiviral medication lopinavir–ritonavir, interferon-1β, the RNA polymerase inhibitor remdesivir, chloroquine, and a variety of traditional Chinese medicine products.11 Once available, intravenous hyperimmune globulin from recovered persons and monoclonal antibodies may be attractive candidates to study in early intervention. Critical to moving the field forward, even in the context of an outbreak, is ensuring that investigational products are evaluated in scientifically and ethically sound studies.12

February 28, 2020 New England Journal of Medicine https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMe2002387

Remdisovir, an AIDS drug is being discussed and we have some reports of success. Peter Navarro of the Trump Administration indicated approximately 100K doses would be available by the end of February as manufacturer of the drug, Gilead Sciences gears up production.

Other experts woefully admit it will be difficult to create a vaccine for Coronavirus, and even if they could, if everything went perfectly, it would be at least November before a vaccine would be available. Here are a few sources discussing the issue:

  • February 28, 2020: Coronavirus outbreak: Vaccines/drugs in the pipeline for Covid-19: https://www.clinicaltrialsarena.com/analysis/coronavirus-mers-cov-drugs/
  • February 28, 2020: The first Covid-19 vaccine in China is expected to be ready for clinical trials by the end of April, according to Xu Nanping, China’s vice-minister of science and technology. Health officials from WHO have noted that Gilead’s remdesivir has demonstrated efficacy in treating the coronavirus infection. The US commenced clinical trials in humans at the University of Nebraska Medical Center to test the safety and efficacy of the drug. The first patient to be administered the drug is an evacuee from the Diamond Princess cruise ship. https://www.clinicaltrialsarena.com/analysis/coronavirus-mers-cov-drugs/
  • February 28th, 2020: The National Medical Products Administration of China has approved the use of Favilavir, an anti-viral drug, as a treatment for coronavirus. The drug has reportedly shown efficacy in treating the disease with minimal side effects in a clinical trial involving 70 patients. The clinical trial is being conducted in Shenzhen, Guangdong province. https://www.clinicaltrialsarena.com/analysis/coronavirus-mers-cov-drugs/
  • Very encouraging, February 28, 2020: Over 16 companies are working on vaccines., over 30 companies are working on treatment sofor symptoms. Dozens of universities and countries are working on treatments and vaccines. Here is the entire list and description of each. https://www.clinicaltrialsarena.com/analysis/coronavirus-mers-cov-drugs/
  • February 28, 2020: Ryan Saavedra, Daily Wire Israeli scientists are reportedly only a few weeks away from having developed the first vaccine to combat the coronavirus, which originated in China, and could have the vaccine available 90 days after that. “Congratulations to MIGAL [The Galilee Research Institute] on this exciting breakthrough,” Science and Technology Minister Ofir Akunis said, according to The Jerusalem Post. “I am confident there will be further rapid progress, enabling us to provide a needed response to the grave global COVID-19 threat,” Akunis said, referring to the disease caused by the novel coronavirus. A team of scientists at MIGAL had been working for years on a vaccine against an infectious bronchitis virus (IBV).
  • February 28th, 2020: Interview with Dr. Anthony Fauci, testing on vaccine will take place over next two months.

Always check Lancet Magazine, British publication, one of the most highly regarded institutions on subject of Coronavirus, discrediting rumor that this virus is anything but natural. AND rumors to such will make the problem more difficult to resolve….. (which sounds like a political statement).

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*****TRUMP ADMINISTRATION and RESPONSE in the USA*****

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  • February 28, 2020: Larry Kudlow gives a presser in the White House Briefing Room on Ecnomic Impact of Coronavirus.
  • February 29, 2020: President gives a Saturday Presser in the White House on Coronavirus. More travel restrictions: NO travel to Iran. NO people allowed into the U.S. who was in Iran for the past 14 days. Italy and South Korea: Level 4 Advisory against travel to these places. Working with other countries to set up and get running, medical screening facilities for foreign nationals who want to travel TO the U.S. Make sure that state / local medical facilities have the resources they will need. More supplies: “Average American does not need to go out and buy a mask.” Protect our healthcare providers. 43 MILLION masks on hand; 3M to provide millions more per month. Other medical supplies are in the process of being acquired. Provide “seamless” planning between medical facilities. (See USA Today video link below)
  • Sec. Alex Azar takes over from VP Pence. “Risk is Low and remains Low — but it can change rapidly.” Reminded that he said the virus would spread. Most people would have only milk symptoms. Stay at home and treat it like a very bad cold. Lower amount of travel to and from the most impacted areas. (See USA Today video link below)
  • Dr. Fauci takes over from Sec. Azar. Situation is evolving. “Community spread” — state and local health + CDC need to cooperate to trace and contact. U.S. as a whole is still at low risk BUT situation is evolving. Addressing the new challenge of Community Spread: POTUS gets credit for shutting off travel to/from Communist China. Contain from within and without. (See USA Today video link below)
  • New person (unknown) takes over from Dr. Fauci. New cases being evaluated aggressively. Early case recognition / contact tracing / isolation and quarantine. Re-emphasized that the risk to the U.S. public in general is low. (See USA Today video link below)
  • February 29, 2020: VP Pence gives and interview after being placed in charge of the Coronavirus task force.
  • February 29, 2020: CDC reports first death from COVID19 in Washington State. https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cases-in-us.html
  • February 29, 2020: Governor Inslee declares State of Emergency in Washington State, following first death of Coronavirus. Coronavirus cases of unknown origin found in California, Washington and Oregon “A second case of COVID-19 with an unknown origin was identified in Santa Clara county, California on Friday, and two other potential cases of unknown origin were identified in Oregon and Washington state. This indicates to health experts that the novel coronavirus — which causes the disease COVID-19 — is likely spreading through more than one community in the US.
  • February 29, 2020: First case of COVID19 found in Oregon. Ground Report ~ “We have the first case of covid here in Oregon this morning. It’s up north in Clackamas, a school teacher at Forest Hills elementary .they shut the school down yesterday and are in the process of notifying the parents. I live an hour and half from there down in southern oregon.i did stock up on vitamin C and and extra TP, I buy food for a month every month ,I don’t like shopping every week.getting meat tomorrow from a local ranch, extra bread all going into chest freezer. Bought 50 pd each of beans and rice ,won’t go hungry on those.been calming my kids down all week telling them to stop watching the news and helping them get extra food in.”
  • February 29, 2020: Proclamation on the Suspension of Entry as Immigrants and Nonimmigrants of Certain Additional Persons Who Pose a Risk of Transmitting Coronavirus https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/proclamation-suspension-entry-immigrants-nonimmigrants-certain-additional-persons-pose-risk-transmitting-coronavirus/?utm_source=link
  • March 1, 2020: Washington State ~ Ground Report. A worker in a South King County post office processing center is sick. They don’t handle mail there, they handle packages. I think they are closing that facility to disinfect it. Additional Ground report ~ Per the local news (Seattle) at 11:30pm there are 13 confirmed covid 19 cases in Washington (includes the two dead) and 5 schools will be closed tomorrow. We have 7 first responders and a fire station closed. ‘A US Mail distribution center had a virus employee. They closed it to bring in “deep cleaning specialists, ” with the plan being to open it again when done.
  • March 1, 2020: NYState reports first case of Coronavirus. Female in late 30’s who recently traveled to Iran. https://nypost.com/2020/03/01/first-case-of-coronavirus-confirmed-in-manhattan/
  • March 2, 2020: Texas, San Antonio. Ground Report ~ “I heard today that the ones brought in to San Antonio from the cruise ship and some from China have been in self quarantine for 14 days with no positives and have been released.” Can anyone confirm with source?
  • March 2, 2020: NYSE rises to highest single point gain ever, up 1,293 points on the day.
  • March 3, 2020: FED announces a 1/2 point rate cut to help the economy. Caused by Coronavirus issue. G7 finance ministers met last night.

March 3, 2020: CDC and NIH Briefing and visit from the President. CDC-NIH Briefing with PDJT – starts @ 55:00 – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tbr8gP4edfE

March 3, 2020: Dr Fauci and other health experts testify to the Senate on the issue of Coronavirus. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H1pbYEVQG7g

March 3, 2020: On this day, protocols for testing of COVID changed and expanded to respond to the death in California and the Washington state nursing home incident of several deaths. Heretofore, those tested were restricted to those who were coming in to the USA from overseas. The incident in CA and WA indicated to us there WAS coronavirus on the ground AND we had community spread. This means more people need to be tested and very soon, we won’t be able to track those who may potentially have had contact with an infected person. BEFORE this point, tracking of contacts was vitally important to STOP the spread. Once the virus is in the USA, it’s almost impossible to track and there are not enough bureaucrats in the world to create the spiderweb of our daily interactions. “Today we will issue new guidance from the C.D.C. that will make it clear that any American can be tested, no restrictions, subject to doctor’s orders,” Mr. Pence told reporters at the White House. Coronavirus Updates: U.S. Will Drop Limits on Testing, Pence Says. https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/03/world/coronavirus-live-news-updates.html#link-79b1dbc8

March 3, 2020: CDC did not have a perfect test when tests were first shipped to state labs. The reagent was flawed and discovered after only a few hundred had been sent. “The C.D.C. botched the first attempt to mass produce a diagnostic kit, a discovery made only after hundreds of kits had been shipped to state laboratories. A promised replacement took several weeks, and still did not permit state and local laboratories to make final diagnoses.” and “Right now, I’d say we’d need more capacity,” Dr. Hahn said at the White House briefing. https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/03/world/coronavirus-live-news-updates.html#link-79b1dbc8

March 4, 2020: Task Force Presser led by Pence: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r20K2YshFlo

March 5, 2020: Pence and other members of the Task Force travel to 3M, maker of the N-95 Mask: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WbttQeqPXbQ

March 5, 2020: The US Army holds a presser on the Coronavirus. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_AOqA4Gphw0

March 6, 2020: Press conference at the CDC in Atlanta. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yxoPQMauQTs

Friday, March 6, 2020: Vice President Pence holds a task force presser.

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*******Not an American response although Americans are involved. More like a Davos response from the UK countries working with American Pharma.

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March 6, 2020: In a highly alarming video, Dr. Richard Hatchett, CEO of the Coalition for Epidemic Preparedness Innovations was interviewed in the UK, and this video has been viewed over a million times in 36 hours. He refers to fighting the virus as a “war” in China, compares it to WW2. Reporter wonders if it’s impossible in the UK because “we” are too capitalist/globalist……. His statements of “virus fatality is over 1%”, or later on “between 1% to 3%”, goes against BOTH studies done in China, (the one for 1099 people and the 475 people, signifying a fatality rate of 4/10ths of 1% in China as opposed to American seasonal Flu of 1/10th of 1%), and the published results in the New England Journal of Medicine.

Hatchett later admits COVID fatality COULD be less than 1%, and admits Wuhan normally has a death rate of 1500 from seasonal flu, and in this case we had 2400. He is pushing confirmation bias, and is “extremely concerned about the spread” in the USA “because they (uses the word “they” even though he is an American) don’t have a unified healthcare system because of “embedded inequities and injustices in the USA” – worried about “those who don’t have health insurance” and “those who depend on the government to provide meals for their schoolchildren.” NOTE: The Coalition for Epidemic Preparedness Innovations is located in Oslo, Norway, and accepts DONATIONS. They study and develop vaccines for profit. Implies we need 7 billion vaccines and the virus will be with us for years. The reporter NOTES he has a vested interest…… and Dr. Hatchett insists he has been working dispassionately, “we’re only trying to secure funds for the vaccine for (this disease)”, and states he has oversight from the World Bank for grants, and/or will happily return any funds left over……….. while at the same time insisting it is “scarier” than SARS or MERS.

Think of it, CEPI was founded in 2017, and they already have loans from the World Bank.

Background on the Coalition for Epidemic Preparedness (2017): ” The idea for CEPI was first outlined in a July 2015 paper in The New England Journal of Medicine, titled “Establishing a Global Vaccine-Development Fund”, that was co-authored by Jeremy Farrar, a Director of the UK-based Wellcome Trust.[3] The concept was further developed at the 2016 World Economic Forum (WEF) in Davos as a response to the problems encountered in developing and distributing a vaccine for the Western African Ebola virus epidemic.[1] Co-founder and funder, Bill Gates ……” Here is their WIKIpedia link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coalition_for_Epidemic_Preparedness_Innovations

In January 2020, CEPI funded three teams working on a vaccine for SARS-CoV-2, being: Moderna, Inovio Pharmaceuticals, and the University of Queensland (UQ).[18][19] By February 2020, Inovio announced that it had produced a pre-clinical DNA-based vaccination to fight COVID-19 at its lab in San Diego.[20] Inovio collaborated with a Chinese firm to speed its acceptance by regulatory authorities in China for human trialing.[21] The strategy of the UQ team is to develop a molecular clamp vaccine that genetically modifies viral proteins to make them mimic the coronavirus and stimulate an immune reaction.[19][18]

In January 2020, CEPI announced a fourth SARS-CoV-2 project in a collaboration with their existing partner CureVac, to develop and manufacture a vaccine.[22] CEPI’s CEO, Dr Richard J. Hachett said in an interview with the FT that CEPI expected to have human trials within 16 weeks, but cautioned “All these timelines are aggressive and aspirational. As circumstances unfold there may be opportunities to reduce the timing but it is critically important that any new vaccine is safe and effective”.[8]

In February 2020, Bloomberg News, citing virologists, identified CEPI as a “key player in the race to develop a vaccine”;[2] a status other media outlets have attributed.[23][8] In reviewing vaccine development on the virus Vox said: “CEPI is a large part of why there are already dozens of Covid-19 vaccine candidates making their way through animal and human trials, as well as platforms to develop more”.[24]

(This is the interview linked above) In March 2020, Hachett gave an interview to Channel 4 News saying that “war is an appropriate analogy”, for the steps needed to counter the virus, and that “this is the most frightening disease that I have ever encountered in my career”, due to the virus’ unique combination of lethality and infectiousness.[25] Hatchett told The Daily Telegraph that coronaviruses are the most serious threat to public health since the Spanish flu, and that a vaccine will take up to 18 months to deliver at a cost of STG 1.5 billion.[26] Hatchett told Reuters that its funds for fighting the virus would be fully allocated by the end of March in its four existing projects, and that CEPI was launching a new funding call for USD 2 billion to support fighting the virus.[27][28][29]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coalition_for_Epidemic_Preparedness_Innovations
  • March 24, 2020: (Special Update) On this day, Governor Andrew Cuomo held a press conference where he blasted the Trump Administration for not sending him enough ventilators. He asked for 30K ventilators and the Trump Admin sent 2,000 this day, and will send another 2,000 tomorrow. Cuomo responded, “What am I going to do with 400 ventilators (he meant 4K)” and then “Are you going to choose the 26,000 who are going to die?” Well, this is a horrible statement. Background shows Governor Cuomo was negligent and chose NOT to by the number of ventilators recommended to him to prepare for a pandemic.
  • The Silver Bullet for hyper-partisan Dracula Governor Andrew Cuomo.
  • Cuomo was advised to buy 16K ventilators in 2015 for his state to properly plan for a pandemic, but instead put together a “death panel” to ration use of the ventilators should there be a pandemic “similar to he Spanish Flu of 1918”. He didn’t spend the 576 million at the time.
  • Instead, he did things like a “Buffalo Boondoggle” investing 750 million in “green energy” ideas which resulted in failures.
  • This article was written by the former Lt Governor of New York.
  • https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2020/03/18/new_yorks_ventilator_rationing_plan_142685.html?fbclid=IwAR1wF2ITh_md1poawfrPgoP1g2W7jq47-WEqn3P2lxlB0O9HNE7H38RM_aY
  • Here is the actual report from New York on how they chose to ration care: Ventilator Allocation Guidelines https://www.health.ny.gov/…/…/docs/ventilator_guidelines.pdf

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*****CHINA’s RESPONSE*****

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Map of the provinces of China will help us get oriented. The province of Hubei and it’s capital of Wuhan are located the center of the country.
  • December 8th-9th, 2019: Taxi Cab drivers and physicians reported the problem in Wuhan as early as December 8th-9th. Dr. Li Wenliang died after contracting the virus while treating patients in Wuhan. In December, Li sent a message to fellow medical professionals warning of a virus he thought looked like SARS.Many have taken to posting under the hashtag “Can you manage, do you understand?” – a reference to the letter Dr. Li was told to sign when he was accused of disturbing “social order”.have taken to posting under the hashtag “Can you manage, do you understand?” – a reference to the letter Dr. Li was told to sign when he was accused of disturbing “social order”. He was told by police to “stop making false comments” and was investigated for “spreading rumors”. News of Dr. Li’s death became the top trending topic on Chinese social media, garnering an estimated 1.5 billion views. His death has also brought demands for action, with “Wuhan government owes Dr. Li Wenliang an apology” and “We want freedom of speech” among the hashtags trending, the BBC reported. Both hashtags were quickly censored. When the BBC said it searched Weibo early on Friday, hundreds of thousands of comments had been wiped. Only a handful remain. “This is not the death of a whistleblower. This is the death of a hero,” read one comment. https://www.worldtribune.com/coronavirus-the-latest-crisis-to-threaten-xi-jinpings-china-century/

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*****GLOBAL RESPONSE BY COUNTRY******

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Australia:

Azerbaijan:

  • February 28th, Azerbaijan has reported its first case of Covid-19. The patient was from Russia who arrived from Iran.

Bahrain:

Denmark:

Finland:

Georgia:

India:

  • February 27, 2020: The Ministry of Civil Aviation, India, announced multiple preventive measures against the Wuhan coronavirus initially at 11 airports including Chennai, Vishakapatnam, Bengaluru, Bhubaneswar, Hyderabad, Cochin, Delhi, Mumbai, Amritsar, Kochi, and Kolkata. Thermal screening was extended to 20 airports with the infection spreading to other countries quickly. Arriving passengers that traveled to Chinese cities such as Wuhan in the preceding 14 days and having symptoms of the viral infection are being asked to provide a self-declaration, while international passengers from China and Hong Kong are being screened at the pre-immigration areas of the airports. Thermal cameras have been installed and airport signage being displayed at all the airports. Kerala is the state with the highest number of coronavirus suspects in India. https://www.airport-technology.com/features/coronavirus-measures-world-airports/

Iran:

March 8, 2020 update on Iranian Officials infected.
  • March 9, 2020: About 4:30pm Eastern time, the Italian government announced a complete quarantine of Italy. All 60 million citizens on lock down, no one allowed to travel unless health or security related or some vital industries.

Iraq:

Israel:

Italy:

  • February 27, 2020: Restrictions on Euro travel to area of Italian outbreak. Prague airport in the Czech Republic has designated separate gates for all passengers arriving from Italy. Airport employees have been directed to closely monitor passengers arriving from Italy and report any signs of respiratory disease to airport security. Frequent disinfection of arrival gates, buses and other areas handling passengers from Italy are also planned. Bratislava airport in Slovakia has implemented strict screening measures for passengers arriving from Italy, who are required to fill out a questionnaire to enable officials to identify any suspected cases. Similar screening measures have been implemented at Marco Polo Airport in Venice, and airports in Bosnia, Serbia, Croatia, Moldova, and Albania for passengers arriving from China and Italy. Bulgaria has cancelled all flights to Milan, Italy and implemented screening measures at the Sofia airport.Budget airlines such as EasyJet and Ryanair are operating their flights as usual, despite the spike in cases in Italy. The airlines are not providing an option for cancellations although several passengers have criticised the operators for their policies. https://www.airport-technology.com/features/coronavirus-measures-world-airports/
  • March 4, 2020: The Italian government is to close all schools and universities around the country until mid March because of the coronavirus outbreak, Ansa news agency reports.
  • March 7, 2020: Dr. Faris Durmo MD., BSc.@Dr_FarrisD
  • 10 % Lombardy doctors are infected
  • AT least 1060 self-isolating at home
  • AT least 2394 hospitalized
  • AT least 462 intensive care
  • Of 197 at least 49 are ages (62-95 yo)
  • 4636 total cases 197deaths
  • Death ratio of 4.25 % from 2.5%
  • Approxim 9% admitted to ICU.

It’s actually 9% of the 20% who end up diagnosed, or about 2% of overall who have the virus. Fatality rate of 4/10ths of 1% agree with these numbers. Regular flu is 1/10th of 1%.

  • March 7, 2020: The Independent, reveals the scale of the impact on hospitals in Italy where 5,883 patients have been infected with the virus and 233 people have died as of 6pm on Saturday. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/health/coronavirus-italy-doctors-intensive-care-deaths-a9384356.html?utm_source=reddit.com
March 7, 2020. Italy’s borders closed 16 million in quarantine.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qr4mfonaeAU
March 8, 2020, from 12:00-21:00 full discussion of Italy Quarantine.

Japan:

Lebanon:

Mexico:

Monaco:

North Korea:

Norway:

Romania:

San Marino:

March 1, 2020: Officially known as the Republic of San Marino, it’s a tiny country located within Italy, and east of Florence. San Marino has an unusually high number of cases of Coronavirus. 8X’s the amount of a NYC. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019%E2%80%9320_coronavirus_outbreak

Saudi Arabia: Mecca is empty as Saudi Arabia bans pilgrimage amid Coronavirus.

Singapore:

  • February 27: All passengers arriving in Malaysia are being screened for symptoms of coronavirus. Airline operators are also issuing Health Alert Card (HAC) to passengers to indicate their health status. Malaysia Airlines has cancelled many of its flights to Shanghai, Beijing and Hong Kong. Temperature screening has been introduced for all flights arriving at Changi and Seletar Airports in Singapore. Healthcare teams are screening passengers who look unwell at the aerobridges for inbound flights from China. Singapore Airlines and SilkAir have announced a reduction in services across their network due to weak demand, following the coronavirus outbreak. https://www.airport-technology.com/features/coronavirus-measures-world-airports/

South Korea:

  • March 2, 2020: Ground Report ~ “In Daegu, 1900 Shincheonji Church members have been tested for coronavirus. 1300 had symptoms & 600 did not.Among those 1300 with symptoms, 87.5% were confirmed with the virus. BUT out of the 600 WITHOUT symptoms, 70% were confirmed with the virus. Over 80 percent infected, and moving towards 100 percent, false negatives plus time. Really illustrates the absence of immunity of a brand new virus, whereas there is natural immunity in the population to the common flus. Imagine what is happening in China at those group quarantine bed facilities and at thousands of group elderly care facilities. ( And we are suppose to believe their numbers)”

Taiwan:

  • December 31, 2019: Taiwan restricts flights from Wuhan. https://www.voanews.com/science-health/coronavirus-outbreak/why-taiwan-has-just-42-coronavirus-cases-while-neighbors-report
  • January 21: Taiwan reports first case of COVID19 https://www.pharmaceutical-technology.com/features/coronavirus-outbreak-responding-china-wuhan/
  • March 4, 2020: Taiwan only has 42 cases of COVID19. Why? Well, Taiwan had experience from SARS, where 73 people in Taiwan were killed from spread of disease from mainland China. The government first took notice of the virus in December as people in China began talking about it informally and started screening passengers. In response, the Centers for Disease Control (in Taiwan) started onboard quarantine of all direct flights from Wuhan on December 31. The centers said on its website that by January 9 it had “inspected” 14 flights with 1,317 passengers and attendants. The island’s only death, for example, was described as a taxi driver in his 60s with two existing medical conditions.
  • The USA was not informed by China at all until January 6, 2020, and the USA started medical screening at airports(over 42K of them) on January 21, 2020. USA formally restricted at the end of January (for which the Trump Admin took much criticism).
  • A perfect example of how China’s secrecy and disinformation has cost thousands of lives and trillions of dollars across the world.
  • Parliament approved a $1.96 billion stimulus package last month for companies shaken by the outbreak. President Tsai Ing-wen’s approval rating to 68.5% in February up from 56.7% in January and on par with what she polled right after taking office in 2016, a Taiwanese Public Opinion Foundation poll showed February 24. Local television network TVBS gave the government an 82% approval rating for its handling of the outbreak. https://www.voanews.com/science-health/coronavirus-outbreak/why-taiwan-has-just-42-coronavirus-cases-while-neighbors-report

Thailand:

Turkey:

United Kingdom:

USA:

  • March 24, 2020: (Special Update) On this day, Governor Andrew Cuomo held a press conference where he blasted the Trump Administration for not sending him enough ventilators. He asked for 30K ventilators and the Trump Admin sent 2,000 this day, and will send another 2,000 tomorrow. Cuomo responded, “What am I going to do with 400 ventilators (he meant 4K)” and then “Are you going to choose the 26,000 who are going to die?” Well, this is a horrible statement. Background shows Governor Cuomo was negligent and chose NOT to by the number of ventilators recommended to him to prepare for a pandemic.
  • The Silver Bullet for hyper-partisan Dracula Governor Andrew Cuomo.
  • Cuomo was advised to buy 16K ventilators in 2015 for his state to properly plan for a pandemic, but instead put together a “death panel” to ration use of the ventilators should there be a pandemic “similar to he Spanish Flu of 1918”. He didn’t spend the 576 million at the time.
  • Instead, he did things like a “Buffalo Boondoggle” investing 750 million in “green energy” ideas which resulted in failures.
  • This article was written by the former Lt Governor of New York.
  • https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2020/03/18/new_yorks_ventilator_rationing_plan_142685.html?fbclid=IwAR1wF2ITh_md1poawfrPgoP1g2W7jq47-WEqn3P2lxlB0O9HNE7H38RM_aY
  • Here is the actual report from New York on how they chose to ration care: Ventilator Allocation Guidelines https://www.health.ny.gov/…/…/docs/ventilator_guidelines.pdf

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*****ECONOMIC IMPACT FROM AROUND THE WORLD*****

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  • January 22, 2020: US CDC reported the first case of 2019-nCoV in the US, causing the benchmark S&P 500 index to slide 0.3% on the stock market, according to the Financial Times.
  • January 23, 2020: From Bloomberg. Wuhan, epicenter of Coronavirus outbreak, had a GDP of $213B in 2018, bigger than New Zealand. Lockdown casts economic cloud over China’s version of Chicago. It was moving into areas from chip-making to biomedicine & attracted Investment from 230 Fortune 500 firms. Honda Motor Co. is planing to evacuate staff & family from Wuhan. France’s PSA Group- Peugeot Cars & other brands, will also evacuate staffs. H&M has closed a total of 13 stores in the region. McDonald’s & Starbucks have closed locations without providing details. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-01-24/wuhan-virus-lockdown-casts-economic-cloud-over-china-s-chicago
  • January 27, 2020: Japan Times. Wuhan ranks #13 out of 2000 cities most important to China’s Supply Chain. Over 44 American companies have facilities in Wuhan including PepsiCo and Siemans. https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2020/01/27/business/wuhan-virus-impact-business-travel-china/#.Xl0WDZ2SmM8
  • February 7, 2020: Airlines status update: Tara Donaldson reported for Sourcing Journal that FedEx announced “adjusted” service in “many provinces in China,” and said Friday that customers “might experience delay.” UPS cancelled 22 flights to China. American Airlines cancelled all flights to China through March 27, and Delta did the same through April 30. British Airways, Lufthansa, United Airlines and Virgin Atlantic, among others, have all made similar moves, and Cathay Pacific, which has its main hub at Hong Kong International Airport, said it will more than halve its flight capacity to mainland China through the end of March, Donaldson reported. https://geostrategy-direct-subscribers.com/informed-consensus-on-wuhan-virus-indicts-chinese-communist-party/

February 7th, warning (of course, we already knew):

“This is going to be a significant disturbance in the supply chain,” said Sean Maharaj, managing director of global management consultancy AArete. “We compare this to the impact of SARS (severe acute respiratory syndrome), but the export capability and global merchandise manufacturing was significantly different in terms of not only the volume coming out of China, but the complexity of the supply chains.”

Taking transportation alone, any goods coming out of China will face export challenges. “This is going to be a major issue in terms of shipments. Longshoremen, cargo ships are going to be short of volume, there’s going to be way too much capacity…and excess capacity is pushing down already fragile rates,” Maharaj said, adding that this comes on top of tariffs that have already weighed on costs. Air freight quotes have already gone up.

“This will go all the way through to warehousing and everything we do to get production on shelves,” he said. With companies like FedEx and UPS already making moves to halt service, delays may be the least of the supply chain’s concerns. “Once providers like that go into crisis mode, we’re looking at more than delays,” Maharaj said. “We’re talking about cancellations and non-shipments. I don’t think we know where the bottom is on this.”

https://www.worldtribune.com/coronavirus-the-latest-crisis-to-threaten-xi-jinpings-china-century/
February 13, 2020. Satellite image of a half-dozen oil tankers idling off the coast of Shandong as oil delivers have slowed to a crawl in China. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-02-13/oil-tankers-idling-off-shandong-show-depth-of-demand-destruction
  • February 21, 2020: Auto Sales in China, down 92% in February, according to Gordan Chang/FOX Biz. https://www.zerohedge.com/economics/half-china-locked-car-sales-plunge-92
  • February 22, 2020: From Bloomberg. Coronavirus isn’t just about a short term supply chain problem. It exposes the weakness of globalism. Globalization Comes Under Fire Amid Xivirus Stress Test – “Do we..still depend at the level of 90/95% of the supply chain of China for the auto,drug,aero.. industry, or do we draw the consequences of that situation to ..be more independent & sovereign? https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-02-22/globalization-comes-under-fire-amid-coronavirus-stress-test
  • Adidas and Reebok in Germany reporting sales down 90% in China. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PaH79AEXMf8
  • Coal usage in China is down 50%. China gets 70% of electricity production from coal…. per Professor Christopher Balding, Fulbright Univ in Saigon, Vietnam – one of the world’s leading authorities on REAL measurement of China’s economy. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RYG8nglcx_o
  • Real Estate sales almost completely shut down. Gov’t revenue is highly dependent on real estate tax on sales. In a city of 20 million, we might see 5-10 sales a day. Professor Christopher Balding, Fulbright Univ in Saigon, Vietnam – one of the world’s leading authorities on REAL measurement of China’s economy. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RYG8nglcx_o
  • Local Transportation cars/trains running at 15-20% of normal, China economy flat-lining. Professor Christopher Balding, Fulbright Univ in Saigon, Vietnam – one of the world’s leading authorities on REAL measurement of China’s economy. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RYG8nglcx_o
  • Food Inflation up 10%, pork inflation up 100%. One of the biggest fears in China is famine. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RYG8nglcx_o
  • February 23, 2020: 85% of Chinese businesses on the brink and running out of cash. https://www.zerohedge.com/economics/it-will-be-really-really-bad-china-faces-financial-armageddon-85-businesses-set-run-out
  • February 24, 2020: Chinese consumption of crude oil falls to 12% of what it was one year ago. https://www.scmp.com/business/companies/article/3051784/shipping-lines-face-troubled-waters-oil-tankers-container
  • February 24, 2020: Amazon taking drastic action to get materials out of China and hold steady on Supply Chain (per Fox Biz, )
  • Feb 24, 2020: market opens down 997 points, begins slow slog back on fears of Coronavirus spreading outside China.
  • Toy Manufacturers concerned about Christmas items (last of our concerns right now)
  • February 24, 2020: Containers already in route to USA, carrying medical supplies, latex gloves, masks, surgical kits, etc., ordered returned to China. (FOX Biz)
  • February 24, 2020: Yield on the 10yr US Treasury bond almost hits all time low at 1.37% as foreign investors flood into safety of US Treasuries
  • February 24, 2020: Oil prices down, on report of oil use DOWN in China, we knew it weeks ago.
  • February 25, 2020: another 900+ points, down. Over-reaction and media pushing fear.
  • How many factory workers can survive 6 weeks without a paycheck?
  • Layoffs have begun in China to save the businesses
  • Chinese students in the USA report they cannot return home because mom/dad can’t afford to bring them home (not working), even if they could get a flight.
  • Hotel occupancy in Hong Kong is in single digits https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V1Hud-ijzEo
  • 20% of Hong Kong restaurants expected to fail. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V1Hud-ijzEo
  • January Chinese auto sales are down 20%+
  • Lumens (the measurement of light) at night from satellites over China is down 30-35% year over year https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V1Hud-ijzEo
  • Railroad traffic, measured by satellite is almost at a standstill https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8BvyBTMBR5c https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V1Hud-ijzEo
  • Reefer Units (a container which carries refrigerated goods) is plugged in when it arrives at port to maintain temperature. As of today, there are no more “plug-ins” available in the entire country. Shipping is at a standstill. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8BvyBTMBR5c
  • Oil shipments have shut down. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8BvyBTMBR5c
  • Approximately 80% of China’s export economy is shut down.
  • Farmers are having problems getting trucks to take their food supplies into towns for deliver…… system shutdown.
  • Under pressure from leadership, the Apple factory reopened…. but only 10% of the workforce showed up for duty. Other province governors have barred companies from reopening.
  • China agreed to “half” their tariffs on US goods, looking for economic relief from the USA
  • Japan’s economy contracted 1.6% as they face Coronavirus (and a dumb idea about imposing a higher local sales tax more responsible for Japan lag in economy than COVID-19)
  • South Korea shut down their Hyundai plant due to lack of parts manufactured in China.
  • Statistics and information coming out of China are highly questionable.
  • Feb 24th, 2020: northern Italy shuts down. Milan described as a “ghost town”. Venice Carnival is cancelled. Schools, museums, theaters, religious events, all closed until March 1st, and re-assess. 55% of Italy’s GDP comes from this region.
March 9, 2020. OPEC thought they had a deal to cut production but Russia backed away, leading to a freefall in oil prices Monday morning. Goldman Sachs says we might go to $28 a barrel during Coronavirus as demand subsides.

March 9, 2020: And then, the President came out and took the podium. Economics Looking for a payroll tax cut Will be helping certain industries, cruise, airlines, hotels. Hourly employees may receive benefit for lost wages, looking at it. Small business loans. Big deal. Fiscal policy shift Dow futures swung 400 points while he was talking. https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=5527&v=j1XwFboi7bE&feature=emb_logo

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*****HOW DID COVID-19 START? SPECULATION AND DEBUNKING*****

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We heard all kinds of rumors about the origins for COVID-19. First it was bat-soup, then Pandolins, but almost immediately we had a “conspiracy theory” about a bio-weapon accident/escape from a Level 4 lab in Wuhan, coincidentally close to the wet market. Did Coronavirus COVID-19 originate in Chinese bio-weapon lab? To this date no one knows the origin of the COVID19. Some scientists believe killer this strain may have begun in research facility within 10 minutes of the Wuhan wet fish market. Senator Tom Cotton raised the possibility, was criticized, and proven plausible by a study released on Feb 21st. Chinese Ambassador did not directly answer question in mid-February. Immediately the CCP media called out to discredit Senator Tom Cotton. Odd…… Here are articles discussing the possibility:

Chinese scientists believe the deadly coronavirus may have started life in a research facility just 300 yards from the Wuhan fish market. A new bombshell paper from the Beijing-sponsored South China University of Technology says that the Wuhan Center for Disease Control (WHCDC) could have spawned the contagion in Hubei province. ‘The possible origins of 2019-nCoV coronavirus,’ penned by scholars Botao Xiao and Lei Xiao claims the WHCDC kept disease-ridden animals in laboratories, including 605 bats.  It also mentions that bats – which are linked to coronavirus – once attacked a researcher and ‘blood of bat was on his skin.’

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8009669/Did-coronavirus-originate-Chinese-government-laboratory.html

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*****EXAMPLES OF MEDIA BIAS, POLITICIANS USING CRISIS FOR ULTERIOR MOTIVE, DEBUNKING SECTION*****

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  • January 31, 2020: Dan Diamond of Politico writes article about the scale up and unprecedented response of the Trump Admin to combat and contain Coronavirus. https://www.politico.com/news/2020/01/31/trump-weighs-more-evacuations-of-americans-from-china-over-virus-109910
  • February 2, 2020: Immediately after ordering travel bans for those entering the USA after traveling in China, the criticism and charges of “racism” came from the media. “Sun Feb 2, the Trump Admin ordered U.S. travelers to China’s Hubei province to be held in a mandatory quarantine for two weeks, the anti-Trump article by @AliceOllstein at Politico quoted “healths experts” who said this will make it worse because people will hide their symptoms.”
  • February 4, 2020: Politico writer Dan Diamond (among many other MSM pundits) criticizes the Trump Admin for restricting travel from China….. because it’s racist. ” “The Trump admin’s quarantine and travel ban in response to the Wuhan coronavirus could UNDERCUT international efforts to fight the outbreak by antagonizing Chinese leaders, as well as stigmatizing people of Asian descent, according to public health experts and lawmakers.” The same Politico writer would later criticize the President Trump for not acting quickly enough on March 7th.  https://www.politico.com/news/2020/02/04/coronavirus-quaratine-travel-110750
  • February 4, 2020: “WHO chief @DrTedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus said Tuesday (Feb 4, 2020) that widespread travel bans and restrictions weren’t needed to stop the outbreak and could ‘have the effect of increasing fear and stigma, with little public health benefit.'” – https://www.politico.com/news/2020/02/04/coronavirus-quaratine-travel-110750

February 25, 2020: On this day, Dr Nancy Messonnier, Rod Rosenstein’s sister, issued a statement from the CDC, and triggered perhaps the greatest and fastest selloff, market cap loss, in Stock Market history. Her boss’ boss’ boss, The Director of the CDC, would testify to Congress three days later, and said Dr. Nancy Messonnier “misspoke”. Here is the entire language of her dire statement:

It’s only a matter of time before the deadly new coronavirus spreads throughout the United States — and Americans should brace for the outbreak to upend their daily lives, federal health officials warned Tuesday.

“It’s not so much of a question of if this will happen in this country anymore but a question of when this will happen — and how many people in this country will have severe illness,” said Dr. Nancy Messonnier of the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. “We are asking the American public to prepare for the expectation that this might be bad.”

So far, only 57 cases of COVID-19 have been confirmed in the US — the vast majority people who have been evacuated from an infected cruise ship in Japan and are being held in quarantine. But the virus has now infected more than 80,000 people worldwide — killing 2,708 — since emerging in China last year, and Messonnier warned that it won’t stay contained in the US.

“As more and more countries experience community spread, successful containment at our borders becomes harder and harder,” said Messonnier, the director of the National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. She urged families, schools, businesses and communities to ready themselves.

“I had a conversation with my family over breakfast this morning, and I told my children that, while I didn’t think they were at risk right now, we as a family need to be preparing for significant disruption of our lives,” Messonnier said.

In a severe outbreak, mass gatherings would be canceled, schools would be closed and companies would have to let their employees work from home, she said.

“The disruption of daily life might be severe,” Messonnier said. “We want to make sure the American public is prepared.” She said she contacted her children’s school district to ask about its plans for online learning, or “tele-schooling,” should the buildings need to shutter, as they did during the 2009 H1N1 outbreak. She urged other parents to do the same. “These are things that people need to start thinking about now,” Messonnier said. “You should think about what you would do for child care if schools or day cares closed.”

Health care professionals are also gearing up for the crisis to grow. Researchers are scrambling to create a cure and officials announced Tuesday that the first clinical trial in the US for a possible treatment is underway at the University of Nebraska Medical Center. Patients who are hospitalized with the disease and show at least moderate symptoms will be eligible to join the study, which will eventually include 400 patients at 50 locations around the world.

“The goal here is to help the people that need it the most,” said Dr. Andre Kalil, who will oversee the study.

https://nypost.com/2020/02/25/cdc-urges-americans-to-prepare-for-coronavirus-outbreak-this-might-be-bad/
  • February 26, 2020: AP Fact Checks Bloomberg and Biden and lies told on the campaign trail about Coronavirus, blaming President Trump. https://apnews.com/d36d6c4de29f4d04beda3db00cb46104
  • “He’s proposed cuts but Congress ignored him and increased financing instead. The National Institutes of Health and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention aren’t suffering from budget cuts that never took effect.” https://apnews.com/d36d6c4de29f4d04beda3db00cb46104
  • MIKE BLOOMBERG: “There’s nobody here to figure out what the hell we should be doing. And he’s defunded — he’s defunded Centers for Disease Control, CDC, so we don’t have the organization we need. This is a very serious thing.” — debate Tuesday night. https://apnews.com/d36d6c4de29f4d04beda3db00cb46104
  • JOE BIDEN, comparing the Obama-Biden administration with now: “We increased the budget of the CDC. We increased the NIH budget. … He’s wiped all that out. … He cut the funding for the entire effort.” https://apnews.com/d36d6c4de29f4d04beda3db00cb46104
  • THE FACTS: They’re both wrong to say the agencies have seen their money cut. Bloomberg is repeating the false allegation in a new ad that states the U.S. is unprepared for the virus because of “reckless cuts” to the CDC. Trump’s budgets have proposed cuts to public health, only to be overruled by Congress, where there’s strong bipartisan support for agencies such as the CDC and NIH. Instead, financing has increased. https://apnews.com/d36d6c4de29f4d04beda3db00cb46104
  • The CDC Grant Program is declining …… but that decline was set in motion by a congressional budget measure that predates Trump. Here is the entire article https://apnews.com/d36d6c4de29f4d04beda3db00cb46104
  • February 27, 2020: CDC Director Redfield testifies to Congress. Says Dr Nancy Messonnier (Rod Rosenstein’s sister) “misspoke” when she said “it’s not a question of if, but when”. Dr. Nancy Messonnier gave a dire statement on Tuesday which helped to trigger the stock market loss of over 3 trillion dollars. AND as soon as her statement was issued, a quick check showed 53 MSM articles pushing her statement and widespread panic. https://nypost.com/2020/02/27/cdc-director-downplays-claim-that-coronavirus-spread-is-inevitable/

The director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention on Thursday downplayed a fellow CDC official’s warning that spread of the COVID-19 coronavirus in the U.S. is inevitable, saying she misspoke. CDC Director Robert Redfield told Capitol Hill lawmakers Thursday that Dr. Nancy Messonnier’s statement Tuesday belied the fact that risk remains low.

“I think what Dr. Messonnier was trying to say — I think it maybe could have been done much more articulately from what the American public heard — was she was trying to say it’s also a good time for us to prepare if we have to go to more mitigation,” Redfield told a House subcommittee.He added: “We’re still committed to get aggressive containment, and I want the American public to know at this point that the risk is low.”

Messonnier, director of the National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases, had warned: “We expect we will see community spread in this country. It’s not so much a question of if this will happen anymore but rather more a question of exactly when this will happen and how many people in this country will have severe illness. … Disruption to everyday life might be severe.”

President Donald Trump contradicted Messonnier in a press conference from the White Housing briefing room Wednesday, telling reporters: “I don’t think it’s inevitable. It probably will. It possibly will. It could be at a very small level or it could be at a larger level.”

The president reportedly fumed about Messonnier’s warning, blaming it for the economic repercussions that ultimately saw the stock market lose over 3,000 points this week……

https://nypost.com/2020/02/27/cdc-director-downplays-claim-that-coronavirus-spread-is-inevitable/
  • February 28, 2020: Compilation of horrific media reporting a panic where there is none:

February 29, 2020: At a rally in South Carolina, the President talked about the disgraceful way the media has handled the threat of Coronavirus. He referred to the MEDIA hoax, which the media then immediately portrayed as “Trump is not taking Coronavirus seriously, he thinks it is a hoax” Not true, and this sentiment was re-iterated at his Presser over the weekend. Congressmen and Pundits jumped onto the pileup provoking this comment, “Everyone from Bill Kristol to Ted Lieu is spinning this as if Trump was saying that the corovirus itself is a hoax. Even Politico is jumping in. “At what point does this constitute a disinformation campaign, as opposed to media spin?” is a question we should all be asking.” ~~~~~ Here is the video clip. Decide for yourself:

https://twitter.com/jeffgiesea/status/1233769598933258240?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1233769598933258240&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwqth.wordpress.com%2F2020%2F02%2F28%2F20200228-attention-all-qtreeps-need-your-help-please%2Fcomment-page-2%2F%23comments
Washington Post, completely irresponsible headlines during a medical crisis.
  • February 29, 2020: Did the market over-react? Trying to find a sense of humor in a 3600 point sell-off is difficult but here, we find it. Author posits the reason * A significant change in economic fundamentals * A significant increase in ‘risk’ to the fundamentals * The market’s financial plumbing is breaking down * A meteor or alien invasion to end global existence has been spotted but its arrival is unknown (or a virus pandemic) Nothing is wrong with the economy, so, we’re expecting the aliens to land on the White House lawn. https://www.marketwatch.com/story/stock-market-expert-says-what-many-are-thinking-as-dow-sheds-4100-points-in-a-week-this-market-is-not-normal-2020-02-28
  • February 29, 2020: Article reeks of political bias, creates division, and promotes fear within the public. Headlines such as “Trump’s Coronavirus Response Bedeviled by Missteps, Raising Risk” (Implying the Virus belongs to Trump or was caused by Trump, and that his actions threaten the public), which is from Bloomberg News, when Mike Bloomberg is running against President Trump (although the 2500 global Bloomberg journalists are prohibited from covering Mike Bloomberg for President). Within the article, the authors attempt to paint every part of the Trump Administration as inept. “Most crucially, President Donald Trump and the government’s health-care authorities have appeared in contradiction about whether the country should regard the outbreak as a threat. (When the Trump Admin declared a Public Health Emergency a month prior) “The president has repeatedly said the risk is low, even assuring Americans that they’re unlikely to die from an infection. While that’s true, the CDC has said an American outbreak would likely cause widespread disruptions in everyday life, including closed schools and canceled business meetings. (Note the use of “would likely cause” – author is speculating, and assigning blame to the President for what MAY BE necessary steps to keep the population safe. How would this be a “misstep”, and wouldn’t the administration be negligent if they did not take precautions?) https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-02-29/trump-s-coronavirus-response-bedeviled-by-missteps-raising-risk

February 28, 2020: Dr. Drew, furious with the media for their panic-style reporting on the threat of COVID19.

  • February 29, 2020: President holds a presser with his task force members on Coronavirus. Media asks many questions. Good chance to debunk much of the false information in the media.

Questions now from the “Press”
First question — trying go bash POTUS over calling the virus as a “hoax”. He shut that down.
Next — “Dr. Fauci was being muzzled” — POTUS shut that down. DR. FAUCI GOES TO THE MIC AND SAYS THAT HE WAS NEVER SHUT DOWN OR MUZZLED.
Next — Close the southern border? POTUS — “considering it very strongly”
Next — how do Americans prepare? Dr. Fauci — ” go on with their normal lives”
Next — U.S. troops in South Korea? POTUS — in touch in the generals and their government
Next — ANOTHER one trying to bash POTUS over “hoax” — POTUS shut is own AGAIN — word was abused by the DemComs
Next — People going about their normal lives — what about you and VP Pence? POTUS — we’re going to be in good shape. We’re getting around.
Next — to Dr. Fauci: what about morbidity? Dr. Fauci — look at the totality of the cases: 75 % – 80% do well. 15 % – 25 % will need more care: these people are elderly and/or have chronic underlying conditions. HOWEVER — you’ll see a “one-off” once in a while. This happens with influenza once in a while. Questions: Any “variants” — a person gets the virus, recovers, and gets it again? Dr. Fauci — he believes this will not happen.
Next — Taliban deal? POTUS — Everybody wanted this to happen. The Taliban wanted it to happen. We’ll see how it all works out. They have big incentives to make it work out. Time for our people to start coming home.
Next — Similar measures in U.S. like there are going on in China? POTUS — Xi is working very hard in China. Starbucks open again, Apple back to production.
Next — The woman who died: no evidence to link to travel. // restricting travel WITHIN the U.S.? — we’ll communicate what is decided.
Next — closing the southern border since there are only 2 cases in Mexico? POTUS — we may have to consider closing all borders, are communicating with both neighbors.
Next — trying to use John Bolton comments to bash POTUS. POTUS shuts it down

  • February 29, 2020: Ill-informed media and public anxiousness has led to a “run” to buy surgical masks. According to the US Surgeon General, the mask is a waste of effort (unless you are the sick person) and panic buying is creating shortages for hospital staff who really needs masks.
https://twitter.com/Surgeon_General/status/1233725785283932160
  • February 29, 2020: Patient with corona virus describes what to expect from a hospital visit. He is high risk because of a previous organ transplant. So far, he had to drink a ot of Gatorade but not as bad as anticipated.
https://twitter.com/TrumpLadyFran/status/1233840778415427584?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1233840778415427584&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwqth.wordpress.com%2F2020%2F03%2F01%2F2020-march1st-7th-coronavirus-covid19-xivirus-wuflu-6th-update-thread%2Fcomment-page-1%2F%23comments

(((( Update on the man above. As of March 8, 2020 he is completely recovered and did an interview on FOX))))

  • March 1, 2020: Though Trump said the threat to US citizens from Covid-19, claiming more than 2,800 lives to date globally, is very low, the director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), Nancy Messonnier, pointed out in a press conference on Tuesday that it is only a matter of when, not if, the coronavirus will start spreading more widely in the US. The CDC itself is facing criticism for slow testing protocols and not providing enough virus testing kits, resulting in very few tested cases in the US. However, the ongoing influenza and cold season make diagnosing the new coronavirus more difficult. https://www.pharmaceutical-technology.com/features/coronavirus-outbreak-responding-china-wuhan/
  • March 1, 2020: Dr Marc Siegel. “Asked about news media conduct regarding coronavirus, Siegel said, “They’re certainly not helping because they’re hyping, and the hyping leads to hysteria.” https://www.breitbart.com/radio/2020/03/01/dr-marc-siegel-on-coronavirus-ive-never-seen-an-emerging-contagion-handled-better/
  • March 1, 2020: Dr Marc Siegel. Siegel praised the Trump administration’s personnel selection for its coronavirus task force, headed by Vice President Mike Pence. “The task force are really top players,” said Siegel, noting the task force’s inclusion Dr. Anthony Fauci, director of the National Institute of Health’s (NIH) infectious disease. Fauci is “one of the top infectious disease experts in the country,” he noted. Siegel noted the coronavirus task force’s inclusion of CDC Director Dr. Robert Redfield, a virologist, and Dr. Nancy Messonnier (Rod Rosenstein’s sister), an expert in vaccines. “They’ve been doing exactly what they’re supposed to be doing,” said Siegel of the Trump administration’s measures towards protecting Americans from the coronavirus. “[They are] restricting travel, isolating patients who are sick and, trying to cut down on contact. It’s a very hard thing to do when people are pouring in from all over the world.” https://www.breitbart.com/radio/2020/03/01/dr-marc-siegel-on-coronavirus-ive-never-seen-an-emerging-contagion-handled-better/

March 5, 2020: At times, the media reporting has been completely opposite of advice from the CDC or the White House Task Force, and the President finds it necessary to personally and directly correct the false reporting:

March 5, 2020: Pennsylvania is going to test for coronavirus at its Exton lab. This prompted me to look into who runs the Exton lab. It’s run by a Dongxiang Xia, MD. It wasn’t easy to find information about this man, but a medical conference he attended in 2017 had a short biography about him. “Dr. Xia received his Medical Degree at Nanjing Medical University and his PhD in microbiology at the Fourth Military Medical University in China.” https://www.wgal.com/article/pennsylvania-begins-coronavirus-testing-at-state-owned-lab-in-exton/31214431

March 6, 2020: Extortion from China is our real threat. Holding pharmaceuticals. How could we have been so stupid? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IqDrZYNafAg

  • March 7, 2020: Dan Diamond from Politico, the same writer from the same outlet who criticized Trump Admin for their early and unprecedented response to Wuhan Flu now claims the Trump Admin is late to respond. There have been many media reports which promote disinformation and reek of bias, but the Politico article from March 7, 2020 is an award winner in this category and blames the President for making the problem worse. https://www.politico.com/news/2020/03/07/trump-coronavirus-management-style-123465 Comparing and contrasting the articles from one reporter, Dan Diamond, at a single outlet like POlitico, has been noted example of media bias and disinformation promulgated by the media to harm the Trump Admin, rather than doing the job of reporting facts to the general public, see here the compare/contrast: https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1236535783605121026.html

March 9, 2020: Dan Purser and his wife were passengers aboard the Diamond Princess which was quarantined in Japan. In this video he talks about the process for he and his wife and gives first hand information on what to expect from the Coronavirus from someone who had it. Very informative:

https://twitter.com/DGPurser/status/1236727259408588801?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1236728578500210688&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwqth.wordpress.com%2F2020%2F03%2F09%2F3-9-20-news-roundup-they-would-love-to-kill-pdjts-rallies-democrats-have-an-enthusiasm-problem-compared-to-republicans-doug-collins-interview-reveals-that-a-clean-fisa-reauthorization-does%2F

March 24, 2020: Story comes out about an Arizona couple who read the story of Chloroquine and searched the house for items containing the drug. They drank a cleaner meant for restoring koi fish ponds. Husband died and wife in intensive care……. blaming President Trump. The entire media jumped on the story. Axios removed their original article blaming Trump because it did not present the whole story, but many outlets persisted with the wild story. AND the Governor of Nevada signed an order BANNING the use of Chloroquine until it could be tested more thoroughly. Foolish and ill-informed.

  • March 24, 2020: (Special Update) On this day, Governor Andrew Cuomo held a press conference where he blasted the Trump Administration for not sending him enough ventilators. He asked for 30K ventilators and the Trump Admin sent 2,000 this day, and will send another 2,000 tomorrow. Cuomo responded, “What am I going to do with 400 ventilators (he meant 4K)” and then “Are you going to choose the 26,000 who are going to die?” Well, this is a horrible statement. Background shows Governor Cuomo was negligent and chose NOT to by the number of ventilators recommended to him to prepare for a pandemic.
  • It would be the Silver Bullet for hyper-partisan Dracula Governor Andrew Cuomo and any aspirations he may have to replace Joe Biden as the Dem Nominee for President in Novemeber.
  • Cuomo was advised to buy 16K ventilators in 2015 for his state to properly plan for a pandemic, but instead put together a “death panel” to ration use of the ventilators should there be a pandemic “similar to he Spanish Flu of 1918”. He didn’t spend the 576 million at the time.
  • Instead, he did things like a “Buffalo Boondoggle” investing 750 million in “green energy” ideas which resulted in failures.
  • This article was written by the former Lt Governor of New York.
  • https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2020/03/18/new_yorks_ventilator_rationing_plan_142685.html?fbclid=IwAR1wF2ITh_md1poawfrPgoP1g2W7jq47-WEqn3P2lxlB0O9HNE7H38RM_aY
  • Here is the actual report from New York on how they chose to ration care: Ventilator Allocation Guidelines https://www.health.ny.gov/…/…/docs/ventilator_guidelines.pdf
  • In fact, Governor Cuomo put together a death panel to decide who would die during a pandemic, because he chose to spend taxpayer dollars on his Green Agenda…. which failed.

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*****Secondary MEDICAL INFO TO BOOST IMMUNE SYSTEM, HERBAL REMEDIES, LIFESTYLE HACKS ON KEEPING A CLEAN HOME, REDUCING TRANSMISSION TO OTHERS*****

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Important Tips on How to Properly Use Bleach: https://sheltermedicine.vetmed.ufl.edu/files/2011/10/Guidelines-for-Using-Bleach-updated.pdf

Better Homes and Gardens: Here’s Everything You Need to Clean After the Flu (and How to Disinfect Your Home) Better Homes and Garden – 11/06/19 – Great article with video! https://www.bhg.com/homekeeping/house-cleaning/tips/flu-season-cleaning-home/

The One Disinfecting Step You’re Probably Doing Wrong “To correctly disinfect a countertop, for example, the surface needs to be visibly wet for four minutes. That will probably take more wipes than you’re used to using while you clean. Sanitizing, on the other hand, only requires the surface to be visibly wet for ten seconds. In both cases, you should let the surface air dry.” https://www.bhg.com/news/disinfecting-mistakes/

List of effective cleaners and disinfectants from AmericanChemistry.com: https://www.americanchemistry.com/Novel-Coronavirus-Fighting-Products-List.pdf?mod=article_inline

For the chemists among us. Here is a site that explains how to make aspirin. https://www.thoughtco.com/how-to-make-aspirin-acetylsalicylic-acid-606315

Home made Hand Sanitizer Recipe

Ingredients
1 TBSP rubbing alcohol
1/2 tsp vegetable glycerin (optional)
1/4 cup aloe vera gel
10 drops cinnamon essential oil
10 drops tea tree essential oil
Distilled water (colloidal silver/ionic silver adds antibacterial power if available)
other essential oils (just for scent)
Instructions
To make, mix aloe vera gel, optional glycerin, and rubbing alcohol in a small bowl.
Add cinnamon essential oil and tea tree oil along with a drop or two of any other oils you want to add for scent. Lemongrass, orange, lavender, and peppermint are good choices.
Mix well and add distilled water (or colloidal/ionic silver) to thin to desired consistency.
Transfer into spray, squeeze or pump bottles. NOTES – Rule of thumb – the more alcohol – the higher potency.

Do Hand Sanitizers work?: https://whatkillsit.com/virus/do-hand-sanitizers-work-and-can-they-kill-human-coronavirus/

NUTRITION TO OPTIMIZE IMMUNE SYSTEM
High dose Vit C for anti viral activity. Nutritional Treatment of Coronavirus

Orthomolecular Medicine News Service, Jan 30, 2020 recomends, VERY HIGH levels of Vitamin C.Please read the whole article. At the bottom are references and recommended reading.

In summary:

What dosage?
Vitamin C fights all types of viruses. Although the dose should truly be high, even a low supplemental amount of vitamin C saves lives. This is very important for those with low incomes and few treatment options. For example, in one well-controlled, randomized study, just 200 mg/day vitamin C given to the elderly resulted in improvement in respiratory symptoms in the most severely ill, hospitalized patients. And there were 80% fewer deaths in the vitamin C group. [7]
…The sicker a person was, the more ascorbic acid they would tolerate orally without it causing diarrhea. In a person with an otherwise normal GI tract when they were well, would tolerate 5 to 15 grams of ascorbic acid orally in divided doses without diarrhea…..
But to best build up our immune systems, we need to employ large, orthomolecular doses of several vital nutrients. The physicians on the Orthomolecular Medicine News Service review board specifically recommend at least 3,000 milligrams (or more) of vitamin C daily, in divided doses. Vitamin C empowers the immune system and can directly denature many viruses. It can be taken as ascorbic acid (which is sour like vinegar), either in capsules or as crystals dissolved in water or juice. It can also be taken as sodium ascorbate, which is non-acidic. To be most effective, it should be taken to bowel tolerance. This means taking high doses several (or many) times each day. See the references below for more information….

Magnesium: 400 mg daily (in citrate, malate, chelate, or chloride form)…..

Vitamin D3: 2,000 International Units daily. (Start with 5,000 IU/day for two weeks, then reduce to 2,000)…..

Zinc is a powerful antioxidant and is essential for many biochemical pathways. It has been shown to be effective in helping the body fight infections. [20,21] A recommended dose is 20-40 mg/day for adults….

Selenium:100 mcg (micrograms) daily…..

B-complex vitamins and vitamin A: A multivitamin tablet with each meal will supply these conveniently and economically…..
Nutritional supplements are not just a good idea. For fighting viruses, they are absolutely essential

What Does Taking Massive Amounts of Vitamin C Do to Your Body?
https://healthyeating.sfgate.com/taking-massive-amounts-vitamin-c-body-6719.html

https://www.livestrong.com/article/413359-what-are-the-benefits-of-mega-dosing-vitamin-c/

Debunking of side effects:
https://www.approachwellness.com/vitamin-c-side-effects.html

From a fellow Q-Treeper (sorry I did not keep the Id) I have added the studies verifying the claims.

A VERY over-simplified version of how viruses work, immune boosting, and what you can do NOW. This is esp helpful for at risk age groups, but good for everyone.

Those spikes you see on virus pics allow it to puncture your cell wall and use the inside of your cell for food. Immune boosters help strengthen your cell wall, among other things.

Details on Vitamin D – a bit on Vit-D from a clueful M.D. Thesis that Vit-D might help avoid cytokine storms and protects in respiratory disease. May cut risk of infection in half with REGULAR supplements. Not big bolus.”In other words DO NOT TAKE TOO MUCH VITAMIN D3. Too Much is worse than useless!! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gmqgGwT6bw0&w=640&h=360

Additional Vitamin D information about how it helps protect immunity (COVID19 specifically attacks TCells which protect immunity): https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=2&v=W5yVGmfivAk&feature=emb_logo

ELDERBERRY SYRUP – (Sambucus n.) Strengthens your cell walls, and is shown to bind to flu viruses, preventing them from invading cells and replicating.

The Effect of Sambucol, a Black Elderberry-Based, Natural Product, on the Production of Human Cytokines: I. Inflammatory Cytokines
V Barak 1, T Halperin, I Kalickman
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PMID: 11399518
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/11399518/?fbclid=IwAR28JNN7O3c7z0SWUMe7ceUbjXPbXR5FhzaYbfB-zKLSV5t9aP_sRDqogmQ

Abstract
Sambucus nigra L. products – Sambucol – are based on a standardized black elderberry extract. They are natural remedies with antiviral properties, especially against different strains of influenza virus. Sambucol was shown to be effective in vitro against 10 strains of influenza virus. In a double-blind, placebo-controlled, randomized study, Sambucol reduced the duration of flu symptoms to 3-4 days. Convalescent phase serum showed a higher antibody level to influenza virus in the Sambucol group, than in the control group. The present study aimed to assess the effect of Sambucol products on the healthy immune system – namely, its effect on cytokine production. The production of inflammatory cytokines was tested using blood – derived monocytes from 12 healthy human donors. Adherent monocytes were separated from PBL and incubated with different Sambucol preparations i.e., Sambucol Elderberry Extract, Sambucol Black Elderberry Syrup, Sambucol Immune System and Sambucol for Kids. Production of inflammatory cytokines (IL-1 beta, TNF-alpha, IL-6, IL-8) was significantly increased, mostly by the Sambucol Black Elderberry Extract (2-45 fold), as compared to LPS, a known monocyte activator (3.6-10.7 fold). The most striking increase was noted in TNF-alpha production (44.9 fold). We conclude from this study that, in addition to its antiviral properties, Sambucol Elderberry Extract and its formulations activate the healthy immune system by increasing inflammatory cytokine production. Sambucol might therefore be beneficial to the immune system activation and in the inflammatory process in healthy individuals or in patients with various diseases. Sambucol could also have an immunoprotective or immunostimulatory effect when administered to cancer or AIDS patients, in conjunction with chemotherapeutic or other treatments. In view of the increasing popularity of botanical supplements, such studies and investigations in vitro, in vivo and in clinical trials need to be developed.

ASTRAGALUS – Helps increase the bodies production of interferon, and, reduces water retention.

ECHINACEA p. – Provides inulin, which improves white cells ability to fight in part by increasing properdin, increases and activates white cells, signals the body to release interferon.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4058675/

VITAMIN C – Helps the red blood cells transport oxygen thru the body.
Your lymphatic system runs along (mostly) the same paths that your blood vessels use. However, your lymph system doesn’t have a “pump” the way your blood vessels have your heart to move things along. Your lymphatic system helps with your blood system to drain out the debris from your dead cell walls, dead virus cell, and white cells, etc. Keeping your lymphatic system clear of debris is why you are told to drink lots of fluids when you get sick. That junk needs to be urinated out, to keep the lanes clear for more white cells to attack the virus. There are also simple excercises that “pump” your lymphatics. These are all online. If you catch a virus, there are more things to add that may help.

So, if you get sick:
INCREASE YOUR IMMUNE BOOSTERS!!! like, every couple hours or so.
Drink LOT of fluids

Add STEROIDS to help reduce inflammation if necessary. This can be prescribed or LICORICE HERB (not the candy, sorry!) can be used.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/27650551
https://www.greenmedinfo.com/blog/can-licorice-save-world-next-pandemic-infection

NETTLES – Anti-histamine, anti-inflammatory, and diuretic. Is helpful with drying up runny noses, too!

…Phenolic compounds could be defined as biologically active and herbal and have positive effects on health. The scientific researches are increased about the positive effect of phenolic compounds into coronary heart disease and high blood pressure, diabetes, cancer, inflammative, viral and parasitic disease, psychotic disorders…

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3349212/

DANDELION – A strong diuretic, has Vitamin C and potassium. (Most diuretics take out potassium along with the urine.)
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3265450/

For fever, Tylenol or Motrin. Some people don’t do fever control, as the higher temperatures help kill the virus, but I have seen seizures happen from this, so I think fever control is a good thing. Also, if your body is fight aches and fever, those are cells which can be helping fight the virus instead.
Again, very over-simplified, but some steps you can be taking NOW, and some herbs you can look into to see what may work for you and yours.

There are a lot of sites like this:
15 Foods That Boost the Immune System
https://www.healthline.com/health/food-nutrition/foods-that-boost-the-immune-system

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From the Doctor’s MOM ~ ~ ~ I saw my son today and he shared his insight about the virus with me.
1) wash your hands do not touch your face.
2) get a flu shot if you did not get one.
3) eat a good diet and get proper rest not to get run down
4)do not touch doorknobs keep environment clean
5)when you feel sick have a fever go to the doctor
6)no need to wear a face mask unless you are sick.
My son is a research scientist works in the medical center in Ann Arbor has great experiences with viruses and has a PhD .
This was his advice to me but he said each person needs to do what they think but much bad advice out there.
Unless we find out more this was the advice.
He said our medical teams are better our high gene is better and diet
is better than China.
He was upset how the media is scaring people.

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*****OTHER NEWS ITEMS*****

A New Kind of Warfare, a Bio-War, or Sudden Contagion:

The idea of a “Bio-Corridor” upon entry into the USA is being openly discussed within the halls of Congress. This is an entirely new way of thinking and we need time to wrap our heads around the idea. Our goods go through a Customs screening but systems need to be updated and adapted for medical risk. Recently, we’ve seen illegal immigrants bringing measles, smallpox, polio, tuberculosis into our country, diseases which were eradicated in the USA. A virus like COVID-19 is similar in in RO factor to Measles, but far more hazardous in risk to our citizens and economy. This makes LEGAL border adherence and a strict immigration policy mandatory…… just like those who came through Ellis Island long ago.

Health security has become national security and a globalist economy which only pursues short term profits has left us woefully unprepared. We can’t manufacture penicillin anymore nor Vitamin C. Our last aspirin factory left the USA in 2004. We have ONE factory which makes surgical masks and sterile disposable operating room kits. And did you know a Chinese manufacturer recalled 9 million surgical kits exported to the USA………. because they were contaminated.

With President Trump, we rebuilt a depleted military to fight conventional wars. We also turned our attention to the new war for the 21st century, the cyber war. Our enemies, specifically China, don’t need to devote billions to R&D and testing when they can merely steal our weapons systems for pennies on the dollar. Yet, how do we prepare for this war, the bio-war? Our supply chain and food supply must change. The USA is an MEGA exporter of Agri-products, BECAUSE our procedures and safety protocols are the best. We need country of origin labels on our food. Our ability to manufacture medicines must change. And China’s balance sheet and CCP subsidies must be dealt with, severely.

Here’s how the problem was created: Since China joined the WTO, they have successfully targeted entire industries to become the manufacturer to the world. In the USA, the “west”, and even India, companies operate on a profit/loss statement. They have to make money, otherwise, they go out of business. To gain dominance, China offers subsidies to their industries in the form of free energy, free water, capitol to build a factory, free land, or the most common way…. rolling of their bank loans. Remember, a rolling bank loan carries no loss. With this amount of subsidy, no private company in the USA/Belgium/ or India or Canada could possibly compete….. which is why Wall Street sent our factories to China.

Most economists believe China is carrying about 40-45 trillion in debt, about 3.5x’s their annual GDP, an amount equal to the USA having an 88 trillion dollar debt load. Everything ticks along nicely in China as long as the debt never comes due……….. With COVID-19, the debt is coming due. President Trump must balance the contagion threat to our citizens while trying to make sure China ‘s economy does not collapse.

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February 29, 2020: Bigger Problem of Overloading our Healthcare System. Excellent article from Adam Wren, heavily sourced. Big picture strategy. https://medium.com/@amwren/forget-about-the-death-rate-this-is-why-you-should-be-worried-about-the-coronavirus-890fbf9c4de6

The potential for the healthcare system to be overwhelmed is very real.
If our hospitals are overwhelmed how many will die from unrelated conditions because they can’t get access to healthcare?
How many will die because of shortages of medication?
The limited availability of beds in Wuhan raised their mortality rate from 0.16% to 4.9%
This is why the Chinese government built a hospital in a week. Are our governments capable of doing the same?
The virus is not the main danger, our unprepared medical system and fragile supply chains are.
How many people are going to be prevented from going to work because of quarantine?
The FDA this morning reported the first Drug Shortage in the US caused by the coronavirus.

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Problem with Different Political Systems and Sanitation/Hygiene in Other Countries

As I watched my neighbor put her dog’s poop in a single-use plastic baggy, I thought about split pants in China. When my wife and I got off the plane, 18 years ago, to adopt our first daughter, we were taken aback by the split pants. Split pants are (or at least were, back then) pants the children wear that are open in the crotch area. That allows them to urinate or defecate unobstructed, onto the street or wherever they may be. The theory is that eventually they will learn to “aim it at the toilet” or something to that effect.

Either way, I distinctly remember my brand new Nike slip-ons (probably made not far from where I was standing) sloshing into a mix of urine and who knows what else, and continuing to do so for the next three weeks. As I started feeling the cough coming on, I remember one of the women in our group saying, at one of the airports (as she too, stepped into urine) “The people in this country probably have built up antibodies inside them our bodies have never even thought about.”

I replayed that line in my head for the next three weeks, as I descended into night sweats, fevers and a cough like I’ve never experienced.

. . . Then, my wife and I had to rush our newly adopted, 8-month-old daughter to the public hospital…and suddenly it all started making sense. As we stepped in more urine, took our number from the print-out machine, walked past the line of children whining and crying from the scalp IVs in their heads, then rushed to clean up blood and mucus (left by the last patient) on the plastic table they were now laying our baby on, then waited on the ONE overworked doctor (attending to no less than three hundred people) try to round up a basic anti-biotic to administer to my daughter (right there on site – no refills) it dawned on me what I was seeing and what I had been seeing this whole time. . .

I was witnessing the kind of maximum, almost brutal efficiency a society must develop when the state is the master and the individual is merely a subject. Why would a Communist country not have an effective FDA? Because who are you going to complain to if you get tainted food? The government? They don’t answer to you. The press? They are owned by the government. And again, they don’t answer to you.

. . . “Yes, communism is bad, Regie. We get it,” I hear you saying, through your screen. But it is much deeper than surface ideology for me, personally. As our group was sloshing through the stuff on our shoes, we all speculated as to what new viruses we might be bringing back to the States with us. Well, even during SARS, none of us brought any viruses back. But my family did bring back one of the rarest genetic disorders on planet earth. . .

What we know, without a doubt, is that she would not have survived had she not gotten out of China; out of that system. . . . As this virus is doing whatever it’s doing, we are also having a heated debate over our own politics as a nation. We are literally discussing the merits of “democratic socialism” in the context of a Presidential election, in the United States, in 2020. I don’t think this is an accident.

. . .The thing about free-market solutions when it comes to healthcare, is that if they don’t work, you can always trash them and go to a public option. But once you nationalize healthcare, there is no going back. And that terrifies me. I’ve seen the natural conclusion of what happens when only one buyer is purchasing gauze and morphine; when one source pays the doctors and nurses.

. . . I’ve seen what happens when the choices are taken away. And what happens ends up being a place where new viruses can spread too easily, to too many people, and aren’t contained quickly enough.

And that ultimately affects us all.

FEBRUARY 27, 2020
https://regiehammblog.wordpress.com/2020/02/27/birth-of-a-virus/

Great article from Smithsonian on the Spanish Flu of 1918: https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/journal-plague-year-180965222/

Very interesting paper from 2011 on history of Spanish Flu history of 1918: The epidemic came in three waves. The Lancet, the British medical journal, reported in October 2011 that the 1918-1920 Spanish Flu Pandemic came in THREE WAVES: the first, which had established itself by the fall of 1918, had a far greater infection rate and consequent death rate, in the elderly and the frail of any chronological age.
The second wave, which hit around the time of the 1918 Armistice, was FAR DEADLIER and attacked BOTH YOUNG AND OLD.
The third wave, of the winter of 1919, was smaller and had a death rate similar to the first wave.
(Lancet Infect Dis 2011 Oct;11(10):793-9)

February 21, 2020: From Bloomberg. “Maybe Global Supply Chains Weren’t Such A Good Idea”. The irony is rich, coming from Bloomberg News. https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2020-02-21/coronavirus-forces-a-rethinking-of-supply-chains

February 22, 2020: From Bloomberg. Coronavirus isn’t just about a short term supply chain problem. It exposes the weakness of globalism. Globalization Comes Under Fire Amid Xivirus Stress Test – “Do we..still depend at the level of 90/95% of the supply chain of China for the auto,drug,aero.. industry, or do we draw the consequences of that situation to ..be more independent & sovereign? https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-02-22/globalization-comes-under-fire-amid-coronavirus-stress-test

February 29, 2020: Comment ~~~~ Let’s make no mistake, the XIvirus started in China by at least mid-November of 2019. China’s CCP jailed physicians who tried to warn of the danger of the virus. The CCP has consistently covered up statistics, refused to allow entry to Wuhan for international medical teams, AND censored all their citizens from discussing the virus on-line.

Thousands of people are dead, hundreds of millions are under some kind of quarantine, and trillions of dollars LOST, because CHINA lied and hid the truth from the world. To blame the President of the USA for OVER-reacting in late January when he assembled the task force, declared the health emergency, cancelled flights, imposed mandatory quarantine of 14 days on Chinese citizens from entry to the USA, and imposed self-quarantine of 14 days on those who traveled to China, was a hyper-partisan attack by Democrats seeking political gain in the midst of a medical crisis.

Those same Democrats now attack the President for not doing enough, which is absurd, and the media is intentionally pushing panic to wreck the economic gains of the Trump Admin. It’s the very definition of a malicious press which does not serve the best interests of the public.

I’m left wondering WHY the media is not blaming XI and the CCP for the global problem of Coronavirus. If we need to point a finger……. point the finger at XI. It’s China who created this problem. The corrupt CCP used to only be a problem for the Chinese people. Today, the inept CCP has created a problem for the entire world.

At what point do we discuss Xi’s resignation?

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Wuhan University: Well, this is an interesting tidbit. Wuhan University is a prominent institution. It was the 60 Iranian student who returned from Wuhan U to Iran who were thought to carry the virus and cause spread in Iran. https://irannewsupdate.com/news/human-rights/6907-the-irgc-and-the-coronavirus.html From Wikipedia: Wuhan University… is a national research university located in Wuhan, Hubei. It is one of the most prestigious and selective universities in China, and was recognized by the Chinese Ministry of Education as a Class A Double First Class University. It was one of the four elite universities in the early Republican period and is also one of the oldest universities in China. Wuhan University is located at Luojia Hill, with palatial buildings blending Chinese and Western styles. It is regarded by many as one of the most beautiful campuses in China.

Famous Alumni ~ Xiaolin Wu, computer engineer, invented programming line algorithm, co-developed neural network facial recognition system (with Xi Zhang), twice featured in MIT’s “Technology Review”, member of Institute of Electrical and Electronics Engineers[32][33][34]

WUHAN UNIVERSITY: Master’s in Radiology and Nuclear Medicine
The Master’s in Radiology and Nuclear Medicine y is a 3 year program taught in English to international students. Students can start the program in September each year.
https://www.china-admissions.com/wuhan-university/programs/masters/masters-radiology-nuclear-medicine-wuhan-university/
WUHAN UNIVERSITY: Master’s in Nuclear Power Engineering
https://school.cucas.cn/Wuhan-University-22/program/Nuclear-Power-Engineering-54600.html

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Good News. While it may take a yr or more for millions of vaccines to be approved and distributed, the theraputics (medications to ameliorate the symptoms of disease) are quite promising. Gilead is in TWO – Phase Three trials of Remdesivir as of February 26, 2020. https://www.gilead.com/news-and-press/press-room/press-releases/2020/2/gilead-sciences-initiates-two-phase-3-studies-of-investigational-antiviral-remdesivir-for-the-treatment-of-covid-19 Read the following, below:

17 Reasons Why I’m Confident Gilead’s Remdesivir Will Work Against COVID-19
*https://seekingalpha.com/article/4327745-17-reasons-why-confident-gileads-remdesivir-will-work-against-covidminus-19

FTA –
. . .there’s no conclusive proof Remdesivir will work against COVID-19 in humans. But the odds are getting better by the day as more information surfaces:
1. Gilead is a virus specialist. For decades they have thrived on their HIV (a Lentivirus) therapy. Remdesivir has been used to treat humans against Ebola (a Filovirus). Remdesivir specifically attacks a part of the virus that’s common to all coronaviruses including COVID-19.
2. Bioinformatically, the target of Remdesivir is very similar to that in the SARS coronavirus, 99% similar and 96% identical.
3. Remdesivir has already proven effective in lab tests against a range of coronaviruses.
4. Remdesivir worked against various coronaviruses in mice.
5. Remdesivir has been shown to prevent and cure monkeys (rhesus macaques) afflicted with the MERS coronavirus.
6. Remdesivir worked against even the most divergent coronavirus called Porcine deltacoronavirus.
7. Remdesivir has been proven to work against every coronavirus tested against whether in lab or animals.
8. A U.S. patient and a French COVID-19 patient both recovered after being administered Remdesivir on a compassionate use basis. The French article wasn’t easy to find but it said the following (translated with Google translate): “The 48-year-old patient infected with the new coronavirus and released from the Bordeaux University Hospital on Thursday, after 22 days of hospitalization, was treated with remdesivir, a “promising” antiviral, said his medical team on Friday.”
9. It’s a promising sign that this patient was treated after 22 days and still recovered. Typically, if you are in the group that gets really sick by that time you’re in intensive care. One question with vaccines/therapies like this is how effective they are once you already are sick. Giving a vaccine in a preventive manner is the lowest bar for a treatment to beat. Being administered on a compassionate use basis to patients that are 22 days in and appearing to be effective is a much higher bar. Admittedly, we can’t derive conclusions from two patients that seem to have improved (if you know of any documented compassionate use cases please PM me) but it’s something. Especially in combination with the commentary from the medical team: “…It is “today in the state of knowledge the most convincing promising candidate for an evaluation,” he added, adding that the choice of this drug had been made “collegially at national level, in consultation with WHO ”(World Health Organization)…”
10. CDC officials told the medical team treating the infected man in Washington about Remdesivir after his condition worsened. Meaning both WHO and CDC are currently recommending this as a last resort compassionate use option.
11. Gilead stated it’s building up manufacturing capacity. Over the last couple of weeks, it already has coordinated with contract manufacturers to start producing Remdesivir. The company also stopped production of one of its approved products to churn out more of the stuff. This exudes confidence and perhaps also indicates the company expects COVID-19 to spread widely.
12. A Chinese company called BrightGene has started to manufacture Remdesivir as well. BrightGene’s share price went up ~70% to a ~$4 billion market cap.
13. Two studies of Remdesivir already are underway in China. Two-thirds of enrolling participants are given the real drug, which is quite unusual.
14. In the U.S. a trial for COVID-19 on humans has started as well.
15. National Economic Council Director Larry Kudlow: “Gilead will probably come up with a vaccine faster than most people realize.” Kudlow is no expert on vaccines but he is likely to be well informed in a crisis situation, although his political agenda needs to be considered.
16. Dr. Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases: “We expect we will see community spread in this country,” “It’s not so much a question of if this will happen anymore, but rather more a question of exactly when this will happen and how many people in this country will have severe illness.” This is not unexpected to me as I’ve been researching COVID-19 since January 22 but it’s definitely unwelcome. Economically Gilead (by my estimate) is most sensitive to spread as opposed to the average price per dose of Remdesivir.
17. Gilead has been granted 3 patents on Remdesivir in China as of today. Another good sign after some earlier patent shenanigans where a Chinese research center applied for a patent.

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While we complain of waiting in line for toilet paper, or sitting at home instead of going to a party, we would do well to remember those on the front lines of this virus war. Pray for the physicians…… From Italian physician Dr. Danielle Macchini, an ICU Physician in Bergamo, Italy. This is an important and stirring first hand account from the front line of the virus war. We should all listen:

Full text of translation here: I may be repeating myself, but I want to fight this sense of security that I see outside of the epicenters, as if nothing was going to happen “here”. The media in Europe are reassuring, politicians are reassuring, while there’s little to be reassured of. This is the English translation of a post of another ICU physician in Bergamo, Dr. Daniele Macchini. Read until the end “After much thought about whether and what to write about what is happening to us, I felt that silence was not responsible.

I will therefore try to convey to people far from our reality what we are living in Bergamo in these days of Covid-19 pandemic. I understand the need not to create panic, but when the message of the dangerousness of what is happening does not reach people I shudder. I myself watched with some amazement the reorganization of the entire hospital in the past week, when our current enemy was still in the shadows: the wards slowly “emptied”, elective activities were interrupted, intensive care were freed up to create as many beds as possible.

All this rapid transformation brought an atmosphere of silence and surreal emptiness to the corridors of the hospital that we did not yet understand, waiting for a war that was yet to begin and that many (including me) were not so sure would ever come with such ferocity. I still remember my night call a week ago when I was waiting for the results of a swab. When I think about it, my anxiety over one possible case seems almost ridiculous and unjustified, now that I’ve seen what’s happening. Well, the situation now is dramatic to say the least.

The war has literally exploded and battles are uninterrupted day and night. But now that need for beds has arrived in all its drama. One after the other the departments that had been emptied fill up at an impressive pace. The boards with the names of the patients, of different colours depending on the operating unit, are now all red and instead of surgery you see the diagnosis, which is always the damned same: bilateral interstitial pneumonia.

Now, explain to me which flu virus causes such a rapid drama. [post continues comparing covid19 to flu, link below]. And while there are still people who boast of not being afraid by ignoring directions, protesting because their normal routine is”temporarily” put in crisis, the epidemiological disaster is taking place. And there are no more surgeons, urologists, orthopedists, we are only doctors who suddenly become part of a single team to face this tsunami that has overwhelmed us.

Cases are multiplying, we arrive at a rate of 15-20 admissions per day all for the same reason. The results of the swabs now come one after the other: positive, positive, positive. Suddenly the E.R. is collapsing. Reasons for the access always the same: fever and breathing difficulties, fever and cough, respiratory failure. Radiology reports always the same: bilateral interstitial pneumonia, bilateral interstitial pneumonia, bilateral interstitial pneumonia. All to be hospitalized.

Someone already to be intubated and go to intensive care. For others it’s too late… Every ventilator becomes like gold: those in operating theatres that have now suspended their non-urgent activity become intensive care places that did not exist before. The staff is exhausted. I saw the tiredness on faces that didn’t know what it was despite the already exhausting workloads they had. I saw a solidarity of all of us, who never failed to go to our internist colleagues to ask “what can I do for you now?”

Doctors who move beds and transfer patients, who administer therapies instead of nurses. Nurses with tears in their eyes because we can’t save everyone, and the vital parameters of several patients at the same time reveal an already marked destiny. There are no more shifts, no more hours. Social life is suspended for us. We no longer see our families for fear of infecting them. Some of us have already become infected despite the protocols.

Some of our colleagues who are infected also have infected relatives and some of their relatives are already struggling between life and death. So be patient, you can’t go to the theatre, museums or the gym. Try to have pity on the myriad of old people you could exterminate. We just try to make ourselves useful. You should do the same: we influence the life and death of a few dozen people. You with yours, many more. Please share this message. We must spread the word to prevent what is happening here from happening all over Italy.”

I finish by saying that I really don’t understand this war on panic. The only reason I see is mask shortages, but there’s no mask on sale anymore. We don’t have a lot of studies, but is it panic really worse than neglect and carelessness during an epidemic of this sort?

https://mobile.twitter.com/silviast9/status/1236933818654896129

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Concerned Virginian
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daugnworks247
WOW
WOW
Fantastic comprehensive summary!
Now — per 700WLW and ABC News:
Rep. PAUL GOSAR, along with Sen. Ted Cruz, will self-quarantine as the result of interacting with the attendee at last month’s CPAC convention who later tested positive for the Wuhan/SARS2 coronavirus.

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grandmaintexas
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Stunning job from Daughn, I agree!
Best on the internet, hands down.

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Sylvia Avery
#363546

I agree……….everything I want to know is all right here. Thanks Daughn!

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daughnworks247
#363583

Hey, I’m just the editor. Amazing what you all have accumulated since we started this project.

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michaelh
#363413

“Don’t look for any information in coming days about how to best protect yourself from contracting COVID-19 because all you will find online is “Blame coronavirus on President Trump”!”
Why Democrats and Media Never Talk About The Real Killer Flu
By Judi McLeod
March 9, 2020
https://canadafreepress.com/article/why-democrats-and-media-never-talk-about-the-real-killer-flucomment image

Nobody—particularly the Democrats, mainstream and social media—talks about how each year’s seasonal Influenza is both sickening and killing people by the tens of thousands.
They’ve never admitted that The Flu can kill you.
That’s because they’ve never “weaponized” the Flu like they have the Coronavirus.

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Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy
#363414

This will be our job!

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Thomas
#363475

Judy Macleod is a top-rate investigative reporter/blogger and the founder of Canada Free Press which is a top notch blog that gets less attention than it deserves.

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michaelh
#363480

I agree – excellent source. They’re usually so dead on right that, ironically, I don’t need to read them!

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MAGA Mom
#363415

“The quarantine, which applies to all members of the family, is expected to last 14 days after the patient has stopped showing any symptoms of COVID-19.”
Act out of wisdom, not fear…but act. Stay healthy, take precautions, prepare for possible illness and possible
quarantine. Quarantine is possible for yourself if you have come in contact with an infected person at work, church, meeting, etc. Quarantine possible if your neighborhood or town or county or region reach a certain number of infections. Quarantine for 14 days to make sure you are not sick + the time if you are sick + 14 days for your household after the last person is well.
What measures are in place to help people suddenly quarantined for 2-6/8 weeks? Work? household needs? If one gets sick but not ill enough to be hospitalized and is told to go home…prepared?
Use wisdom, calm, intentional, wisdom.
Yes, makes sense to stock up on a little extra TP! (Note: not truckloads to sell, just a little extra.)
Slowing the spread to pace that can be handled by the medical system is important for those who develop complications.
At one point last week, we didn’t have a couple of things on hand that I thought we should have on hand and several sources were already out. I felt panicked! (resolved now and the things I wanted were probably not on most peoples list) I get how some people are going to feel when the situation gets real to them if the spread is not contained but even then we have to stay calm and act intentionally and with thoughtfulness.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8090759/Missouri-school-closed-father-States-coronavirus-patient-broke-self-quarantine.html

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MAGA Mom
#363416

Current US cases that are verified through testing.
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/us/coronavirus-us-cases.html

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GA/FL
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GLOBAL – STATE – COUNTY CASES – Johns Hopkins Interactive Map
https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6
US CASES – CDC – https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cases-in-us.html
FL CASES – FL Dept of Health – http://www.floridahealth.gov/diseases-and-conditions/COVID-19/index.html
Check your state health department for similar lists/tips/help
I asked the FL to make us a map of counties with persons with coronavirus, but you can find it on the Johns Hopkins map.
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MORE sites:
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
https://www.trackcorona.live
https://www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2019
https://www.cnet.com/news/heres-how-to-track-the-coronavirus-spread/

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kea
#363418

Great thread!
Here’s the time line for MO
https://www.kmov.com/news/st-louis-county-coronavirus-patient-timeline/article_8002816a-61a8-11ea-a506-6f2d99a005ba.html
Instead of staying at home lets go dancing! Really people really?

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Deplorable Patriot
#363422

I’m telling you, it’s the Villa people.
Oh, this is going to be so much fun.

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kea
#363472

AND now they got a lawyer. LOL oh this is getting good.

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Deplorable Patriot
#363424

Well, the docs at Mercy let her go home. This is Mercy we’re talking about. Level 1 trauma center and all that. One of the better hospitals in the metro. They probably were reassured by that.

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kea
#363447

That was my thought as well about Mercy.
They also are withholding where the father went on the weekend so a coffee place just got the word and had to clean…
I mean its going to spread just like the flu.

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Deplorable Patriot
#363455

Maybe not given all things considered. But the family WILL be confronted by their social circle. I can tell you that anyway. It will be civil but WHAT WERE U Thinking will come up. I mean these are the movers and shakers we’re talking about.

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MAGA Mom
#363516

We have 4 cases in TN and NYtimes still has updated from 3.

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cthulhu
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I wonder how well that map correlates with the “counties that voted for Clinton in 2016” map……

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GA/FL
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Well – I was out and about this morning and listened to (drama voice) Glenn Beck while I was in and out of the stores.
MAN IS HE EVER PUSHING INEVITABLE INESCAPABLE GLOBAL FINANCIAL CHAOS/CRASH/HORRORS due to the coronavirus – and blame for DJT if he doesn’t do everything GB thinks he should.
SPIT, SPIT, SPIT.

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Concerned Virginian
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My opinion, part one: part of Glenn Beck’s deal is that he is a Mormon. I believe this ties into at least a certain amount of what Beck thinks. Mormons put a high value on human agency — which can be defined as the ability of humans to make decisions and to act on them. Mormons believe that life on this earth is a “passage” to another life; and that life on earth can and will include all sorts of “adversity” — hence the Mormon teachings regarding being prepared.
My opinion, part two: in Glenn Beck’s particular case, there is also the possible damage that may well have been done to his being from his self-confessed “issues” of various types over the years.

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plateaufortrump
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Let’s not forget that they own a huge portion of the freeze dried food industry for prepping. The church has a huge stockpile for emergencies and pandemics.

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Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy
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YUP.

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Dora
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Deplorable Patriot
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Recovering from the flu, I will challenge going to the doctor if you have a fever. Patient zero in my family CALLED her doctor, and based on a battery of questions and matching symptoms, they were able to call “flu”. If you’re running a fever, doctors don’t want you in the office. Even our vet doesn’t want us in the office and Yang has some kind of stomach thing and may need to be seen..
Also in prepper stuff, may I suggest getting a box or two of juice popsicles. There’s several brands out there in a variety of natural juices. It really helped me in the last few days, especially with stomach involvement.

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daughnworks247
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I freeze orange juice ice cubes and add Diet Sprite, with a lime and an umbrella.
Gotta be festive when sick!

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Deplorable Patriot
#363443

Umm…. Citrus has been a disaster with stomach upset. Apple and cherry juices have the vitamin c o e would get out of orange.

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daughnworks247
#363453

Upset stomach? Try freezing Coke. Then, add Diet coke to cut the sugar.
Something about the syrup really does calm the stomach, and the ice helps an inflamed throat.
Maybe?

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Deplorable Patriot
#363463

That was the benefit of the cherry popsicles.
And I can’t do aspartame. So, there we are.

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ozzytrumpster
#363549

And bourbon?

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Sylvia Avery
#363547

good tip re popsicles

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Sadie Slays
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GA/FL
#363426

THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT!!!

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kea
#363446

Bravo!!! Finally someone said it.

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Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy
#363484

Very simple. Keep the Chinese Communist HIV-Weaponized Flu away from the elderly, who it was designed to kill.

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singingsoul1
#363503

Bingo

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kalbokalbs
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Scope and depth of information, simply the best! Thank you!
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Ground report. drove into Carson city, NV. Both Walmart’s nearly empty customers. It’s early monday, so to be expected I would think.
Zero gloves, masks, isolpropyl alcohol and hand sanitizer.
Minimal vitamin C.
EVERYTHING else enough stock. Gaps and holes, yes, But stuff is available. Including paper goods, cleaning stuff, rice, beans, frozen, chill, canned…
Smith’s (super market) Dayton. With the exception of the few outages cited above, things normal.
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As an aside, for those areas looking for paper goods or other short supply cleaning items, Home Depot, Lowes, Office supply stores commonly carry that stuff. Not a broad selection, but they are typically carried.
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Neighbor came over a few minutes ago. Asked what I thought of the increased Corona, stock market diving, Trump being blamed..yada, yada…
Talked rationally with him, used facts, logic… A few minutes later he left to work in his yard 😉

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Cuppa Covfefe
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Bacardi 151??? That’s 75.5% alcohol (goodness knows what the 24.5% is 🙂 )…
Same situation here in (formerly) beautiful downtown Deutschland, although the YSM/MCM are doing their best to fan the flames. We have shortages on bottled water (!?), TP (what are people going to do with it all), and some shelf-life-stable foods (noodles, etc.)(wonder about buying Italian pasta, etc.???).
Ahhhh, Sheeple.
Thank GOD the USA has VSG President Trump. If only we had someone even close to that…
(Hmmm. Do y’all need a 51st state 😀 ? )…

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Sylvia Avery
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NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
Bacardi 151 is too good to use for anything other than drinking!!!!

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cthulhu
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Back in college, around 1981, our dorm hall discovered that you could easily pour layered drinks by slipping lower proofs under higher proofs. So you could pour a little Bacardi 151 into a shotglass, then slowly pour 100-proof peppermint schnapps underneath it, then slowly pour 80 proof green creme de menthe under them both. It helped if all liquids had been kept in the freezer and were ice cold.
That gave you a shotglass of layered colors that tasted very minty and averaged out to about 110 proof. We nicknamed it “The Green Death”. People, especially attractive young ladies, were amazingly eager to try them. They could be made in advance and stored in a freezer if you had enough shotglasses.

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Sylvia Avery
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LOL…………glad I didn’t know you in college! I might have succumbed to The Green Death!!!

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cthulhu
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The problem with using 151 as a hand sanitizer is that you smell like a drunk for the rest of the day.

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GA/FL
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I posted this yesterday – In this US study conducted by or at the DoD, the Flu shot did not give protection against coronavirus and a certain kind of pneumonia virus – bold mine.
FLU SHOT INCREASED RISK OF CORONAVIRUS
“Study of flu vaccine and its effect on incidence of viral respiratory illness.”
Vaccine. 2020 Jan 10;38(2):350-354. doi: 10.1016/j.vaccine.2019.10.005. Epub 2019 Oct 10.
Abstract
PURPOSE:
Receiving influenza vaccination may increase the risk of other respiratory viruses, a phenomenon known as virus interference. Test-negative study designs are often utilized to calculate influenza vaccine effectiveness. The virus interference phenomenon goes against the basic assumption of the test-negative vaccine effectiveness study that vaccination does not change the risk of infection with other respiratory illness, thus potentially biasing vaccine effectiveness results in the positive direction. This study aimed to investigate virus interference by comparing respiratory virus status among Department of Defense personnel based on their influenza vaccination status. Furthermore, individual respiratory viruses and their association with influenza vaccination were examined.
RESULTS:
We compared vaccination status of 2880 people with non-influenza respiratory viruses to 3240 people with pan-negative results. Comparing vaccinated to non-vaccinated patients, the adjusted odds ratio for non-flu viruses was 0.97 (95% confidence interval (CI): 0.86, 1.09; p = 0.60). Additionally, the vaccination status of 3349 cases of influenza were compared to three different control groups: all controls (N = 6120), non-influenza positive controls (N = 2880), and pan-negative controls (N = 3240). The adjusted ORs for the comparisons among the three control groups did not vary much (range: 0.46-0.51).
CONCLUSIONS:
Influenza vaccination and respiratory virus interference among Department of Defense personnel during the 2017-2018 influenza season.
Receipt of influenza vaccination was not associated with virus interference among our population. Examining virus interference by specific respiratory viruses showed mixed results. Vaccine derived virus interference was significantly associated with coronavirus and human metapneumovirus; however, significant protection with vaccination was associated not only with most influenza viruses, but also parainfluenza, RSV, and non-influenza virus coinfections.”
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/31607599

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scott467
#363536

“Vaccine derived virus interference was significantly associated with coronavirus and human metapneumovirus; ”
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Oh that’s just perfect…
And I was all set to trust the government and the pharmaceutical industry, too!

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ozzytrumpster
#363550

As if!

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MAGA Mom
#363429

Wow! Can you imagine going to church last week or this week, your pastor now being identified as being infected and now you have to self quarantine for 2 weeks?! This morning life was normal and now you and your family are quarantined or 2 weeks…wow.😲
We are focused on staying healthy (washing hands, eating healthy) but our concern is more about quarantines of ourselves and others and the affects of quarantines of large numbers of people than we are of the actual illness. Concerned about supply lines, access to stores/shopping, etc.
I realize the quarantines are to help slow the spread so that our medical system can handle the percentage of complications but outside of the rapidity of the spread and the potential for large numbers of illness and therefore high numbers with complications all at once …. the complications of quarantine will be incredibly disruptive to the economy and society in general.
https://dailycaller.com/2020/03/09/georgetown-dc-priest-coronavirus/
“Through DC Health’s investigation, in consultation with the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), all visitors to Christ Church, Georgetown Episcopal on February 24th, and between February 28th and March 3rd could have been exposed to the virus that causes COVID-19, and DC Health is recommending that anyone who visited Christ Church, Georgetown Episcopal on those dates isolate themselves at home for 14 days from the last time they visited the church. Isolating at home includes not going to work or school, and not attending any large or public gatherings, or using public transportation or ride-sharing. DC Health may also be reaching out to certain individuals who are more likely to have been exposed with further guidance.”
https://coronavirus.dc.gov/release/dc-health-statement-regarding-christ-church
meanwhile, President Trump is not avoiding people…I love the blonde lady’s reactions! I would be just as excited and don’t think I would remain as calm! 🙂

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Cuppa Covfefe
#363433

Time to bring back Bishop Fulton J. Sheen…

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MAGA Mom
#363435

I am not even Catholic but liked listening to him when we had cable for a few years.

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Cuppa Covfefe
#363467

Yep, same here. I remember him from long, long, long, long ago. Back when there were only three channels, and they all shut down between midnight and 6:00 AM… Those were the days…
And if the TV picture (always black-and-white) started having problems, the local Thrifty Drug Store, along with having great ice cream, had wonderful (and fun, at least to me) Tube Testers… especially the one for “capped” tubes, with the wire you’d pull out to put on the cap… never realized it could have been a shocking experience…

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singingsoul1
#363511

My husband just got an alert Email from The University that two students possibly have the virus.
All people who had contact with these students have been informed. This is S OH . Today was the first day back from spring break.
My gran daughter’s friends from school are two weeks in London through the school. People are traveling.
My husband had been resisting buying more TP and Clorox and hand disinfection. My daughter talked to him and that did the trick. I know nothing ( rolling eyes)
He came back yesterday bringing grand daughter to the airport with big packs of TP, 4 bottles 62 OZ each hand disinfection, paper towels, 3 gallon Clorox 3 cases water and other stuff. He spend $500,
Talk about hording?
He told me that Costco Cincinnati was out on some stuff and he had to go to Wal-Mart for some things and last to Kroger in town where shelves were fully stocked..

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MAGA Mom
#363430

batman building in Nashville TN (nickname due to profile of top of building) is closed due to 4th came of virus in TN
https://www.bizjournals.com/nashville/news/2020/03/09/at-t-tower-closed-after-confirmed-coronavirus-case.html
https://www.tennessean.com/story/news/health/2020/03/09/tennessee-confirms-fourth-case-coronavirus/5000737002/

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cthulhu
#363564

I always think it needs the glowing eye of Sauron on top.
I don’t know if it still is, but it was officially AT&T Tower.

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Sadie Slays
#363431

Cross-posting this from the open thread since the article speculates the rallies may have been cancelled out of concerns over WuFlu.

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Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy
#363494

My immediate speculation is that it isn’t about the virus – it’s about EVADING A MEDIA TRAP.
Look at the events page:
https://www.donaldjtrump.com/events/
No rallies now, but lots of “MAGA Meet-Ups” and training events. My suspicion is that we are now seeing COUNTER-PSY-OPS.
This is MATH – it’s STATISTICS. All it takes is one coronavirus attendee at a rally, and even though at most 4 or 5 people will likely be exposed, you don’t know who they are. All the Dems have to do is send ONE sickie student in, like PLAID SHIRT BOZO, and they can stoke a panic among ALL of the THOUSANDS of Trump supporters, including those wonderful Dems and independents.
The fucking ChiComs and the Dems planned this. They knew it. Trump led them on and pulled out at the last minute.
Nope – this is SMART COUNTER-PSY-OPS. Yet Trump says there will be rallies. And there WILL be rallies. At the exact moment of Trump’s choosing.
WATCH WHAT THE MEDIA DOES. They will try to push Trump into rallies they can FRAME or monger on his not having them.
Very smart. VERY smart. We are now engaged in media combat with Soviet ChiCom Dems and their Soviet Fake News.

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Sadie Slays
#363517

Yeah, after Typhoid Mary forced a bunch of prominent CPAC attendees into quarantine, I figured that a similar false flag was planned for a Trump rally. (This is assuming that the CPAC thing wasn’t simply cover for certain Trump-supporting Republicans to stay at home for security reasons–I’m on the fence about either possibility).

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Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy
#363522

That’s a good theory that CPAC could be a cover op. We may find out soon, if somebody actually gets sick.
I’m curious if “CPAC ZERO” was a journalist or media pass of some kind, or some other type of sketchy.

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Sadie Slays
#363523

The reason why I lean toward “cover op” is because Ted Cruz was the first to self-quarantine. Ted Cruz—the Obama Administration’s other FISA target. “Quarantine” is good cover for keeping Ted out public sight and somewhere secure in case there are any security threats or secret tribunals to attend. It’s reminded me of how Mitch McConnell announced he was going “work from home” last summer right after the El Paso/Dayton shootings happened.

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kinthenorthwest
#363434

The Below is from a FB friend…A good piece if you have seen it yet
Wise words from Infectious Disease MD, Dr. Sharkawy on COVID-19:
“I’m a doctor and an Infectious Diseases Specialist. I’ve been at this for more than 20 years seeing sick patients on a daily basis. I have worked in inner city hospitals and in the poorest slums of Africa. HIV-AIDS, Hepatitis,TB, SARS, Measles, Shingles, Whooping cough, Diphtheria…there is little I haven’t been exposed to in my profession. And with notable exception of SARS, very little has left me feeling vulnerable, overwhelmed or downright scared.
I am not scared of Covid-19. I am concerned about the implications of a novel infectious agent that has spread the world over and continues to find new footholds in different soil. I am rightly concerned for the welfare of those who are elderly, in frail health or disenfranchised who stand to suffer mostly, and disproportionately, at the hands of this new scourge. But I am not scared of Covid-19.
What I am scared about is the loss of reason and wave of fear that has induced the masses of society into a spellbinding spiral of panic, stockpiling obscene quantities of anything that could fill a bomb shelter adequately in a post-apocalyptic world. I am scared of the N95 masks that are stolen from hospitals and urgent care clinics where they are actually needed for front line healthcare providers and instead are being donned in airports, malls, and coffee lounges, perpetuating even more fear and suspicion of others. I am scared that our hospitals will be overwhelmed with anyone who thinks they ” probably don’t have it but may as well get checked out no matter what because you just never know…” and those with heart failure, emphysema, pneumonia and strokes will pay the price for overfilled ER waiting rooms with only so many doctors and nurses to assess.
I am scared that travel restrictions will become so far reaching that weddings will be canceled, graduations missed and family reunions will not materialize. And well, even that big party called the Olympic Games…that could be kyboshed too. Can you even
imagine?
I’m scared those same epidemic fears will limit trade, harm partnerships in multiple sectors, business and otherwise and ultimately culminate in a global recession.
But mostly, I’m scared about what message we are telling our kids when faced with a threat. Instead of reason, rationality, openmindedness and altruism, we are telling them to panic, be fearful, suspicious, reactionary and self-interested.
Covid-19 is nowhere near over. It will be coming to a city, a hospital, a friend, even a family member near you at some point. Expect it. Stop waiting to be surprised further. The fact is the virus itself will not likely do much harm when it arrives. But our own behaviors and “fight for yourself above all else” attitude could prove disastrous.
I implore you all. Temper fear with reason, panic with patience and uncertainty with education. We have an opportunity to learn a great deal about health hygiene and limiting the spread of innumerable transmissible diseases in our society. Let’s meet this challenge together in the best spirit of compassion for others, patience, and above all, an unfailing effort to seek truth, facts and knowledge as opposed to conjecture, speculation and catastrophizing.
Facts not fear. Clean hands. Open hearts.
Our children will thank us for it.”

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churchmouse
#363497

Excellent perspective from the doctor.
Thank you very much for posting it.

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kinthenorthwest
#363508

I found it quite interesting.
I know the virus can be dangerous to some people of age, and fragile health. However, I believe too many are in overboard panic.
People need to understand the demographics of China & nations being being affected the most.

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churchmouse
#363591

I can’t (yet) work up a panic about it, either.
Demographics, demographics, demographics.

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singingsoul1
#363515

Fear drains our energy we need to stay healthy. Common sense is the best to overcome this.
I believe this will not be the last biological created virus it has much power look what is happening to our economics and fear around the world.
In my mind this is war created by Chinese to effect what? They have an evil regime.

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churchmouse
#363592

‘Fear drains our energy we need to stay healthy. Common sense is the best to overcome this.’ Completely agree.
You are right. This wont be the last biologically created virus. We should all learn how to deal with it sensibly and calmly.

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bakocarl
#363529

Good advice . . . not to overreact. However . . .
Since I am 74, as the good doctor said, I am “rightly concerned for the welfare of those who are elderly”. My preparations ensure that I will be able to stay isolated for a significant period of time if and when the WuFlu proliferates in my general area.

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kinthenorthwest
#363533

I am 70 but don’t have extra medical issues.
However I trust in the lord, Wash hands and don’t temp faith by being where there could be issues, extra large crowds, hospitals, ERs and some other places.
Take similar precautions one took for the flu, especially considering that the flu vaccine was not really working for the flu last year.

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piper567
#363535

same here carl…I have one friend who is compromised…but v smart.
we both, along w several friends, hit Costco and local Rxs as soon as the president announced closed flights.
we are prepared for the duration. minimal outside contact.
going in and out requires simple steps to keep as “clean” as possible.
vigilance and consistency seem to be the key…mental preparation and follow through.

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michaelh
#363438

If you go back and check the prior Coronavirus thread, on the first page it was noted that no reports existed in New York City or State, a fact that was considered suspicious. Based on this we exected that the NY cases would appear suddenly and spike upward dramatically.
Well sunnuvabitch . . . cases spiked radically!
Also on cue, Gov Cuomo is freaking out about Corona virus and declaring a state of emergency, criticizing the President’s response to the virus and blah blah inaction blah, even going so far as to claim they aren’t getting enough tests to get data.
Azar of course on Fox News disputes this, says that NY has been provided with all the tests they needed, and that they tried to ship MORE to them but they were refused. They also have now the ability to test at the state labs and have all the testing capacity that they should need.
Clearly Cuomo planned to do some advanced DISINFO on this . . .

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daughnworks247
#363439

I KNEW if we turned this into a states issue, we would have 50 Chieftains all screaming about different things and NO reporting back to grand elder Trump so we can shut down ports/airports/cities if absolutely necessary.
Yet, the cities and states screamed loudly enough. Wanted tests closer to them. Wanted control of the tests.

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michaelh
#363442

Yeah notice a theme?
* Obama FDA wanted to control tests
* CDC SES wanted to control tests
* Dem states want to control tests
🤔

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SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA
#363440

It has arrived in my home county (though apparently the one case so far is in the eastern, rural area, not Colorado Springs). Unfortunately, I do drive by that location from time to time!
Yesterday Sam’s was completely out of toilet paper. I can’t fathom why people find that to be the most urgent thing to stock up on, but there is an irony here: I don’t get to Sam’s very often at all. And the last time I did go, I didn’t get any TP, so of the big staple items I get when I go there; I’m actually lowest on TP, and that clearly didn’t change! (Over 27 rolls left though, so I’m not terribly concerned, yet.)
And now I’m wondering if I’m coming down with a cold…or it’s just psychosomatic from reading about COVID all morning.

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🦋🤸‍♀️🦋bflyjesusgrl🦋🤸‍♀️🦋
#363520

That psychosomatic thing is real. I swear my throat hurt(that never happens) and my allergies flared up when I was in the store around people. If I spend a lot of time on this, my sinus headache worsens, so I have to stop and detach. In my defense I do have allergies, I take zyrtec every day and somedays I need to add several sudafeds, somedays I need none. Plus our weather has been CRAZY!! 2-3 days Heater on, 2 days need AC, back to heat, back to AC, repeat, for the last 3+ weeks!!! The cold always makes my nose run. Got symptoms the other night when I found out there were 2 cases in my section of the county. It’s BS and I know it. I mean if you have a sore throat, it’s gonna be all day and night and several days in a row. Not every 3 days for 5 minutes at 5:30pm when you check virus stats! Battlefield of the mind! Keep pushing those thoughts down.

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SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA
#363527

I took standard precautions for the start of a cold.
At the moment I feel OK except for a very slight headache; maybe it was nothing; maybe my home remedy paid off.

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Sylvia Avery
#363551

Steve………….there is something about thinking about going through the end of the world as we know it or the zombie apocalypse or whatever without TP. There aren’t even Sears catalogs as an alternate…….
I hope you don’t have a cold! Get some rest.

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GA/FL
#363441

Update emailed to me from FL Dept. of Health COVID team:
The Florida Department of Health issued a press release early this afternoon providing more information on the current status of COVID-19 in Florida.
The link is here: http://www.floridahealth.gov/newsroom/2020/03/030920-department-health-covid19-update.pr.html
The overall county, age, sex, and known history of international travel. More information will be publicly released when made available.
COVID-19 (confirmed) Cases
Florida Residents Diagnosed in Florida
County – Age – Sex – Known History of International Travel
1 – Manatee – 63 – Male – No
2 – Hillsborough – 29 – Female – Yes
3 – Santa Rosa – 71 – Male – Yes
4 – Broward – 75 – Male – No
5 – Broward – 65 – Male – No
6 – Lee – 77 – Female – Yes
7 – Lee – 77 – Male – Yes
8 – Charlotte – 54 – Female – Yes
9 – Okaloosa – 61 – Female – Yes
10 – Volusia – 66 – Female – Yes
11 – Manatee – 81 – Female – Yes
12 – Broward – 67 – Male – No
COVID-19 Testing Results
18 Florida cases (17 Florida residents)
12 diagnosed in Florida
5 diagnosed and isolated in another state
1 confirmed positive non-Florida resident isolated in Florida.
115 tests in state results pending
140 negatives
1,104 people monitored to date
302 of 1,104 are currently being monitored

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NYGuy
#363444

A local infectious disease doctor assembled an interesting summary of novel coronavirus. I have not seen this anywhere so I hope you find it helpful and sorry for the length.
How can one know if he/she is infected?
By the time they have fever and/or cough and go to the hospital, the
lung is usually 50% Fibrosis and it’s too late……….
1. If you only have a runny nose and sputum, you have a common cold
2. Coronavirus pneumonia manifests a dry cough with no runny nose.
3. This new virus is not heat-resistant and will be killed by a temperature of just 79/80 degrees. It hates the Sun.
4. If someone sneezes with it, it takes about 10 feet before it drops to the ground and is no longer airborne.
5. If it drops on a metal surface it will live for at least 12 hours – so if you come into contact with any metal surface – wash your hands as soon as you can with a bacterial soap.
6. On fabric it can survive for 6-12 hours. Normal laundry detergent will kill it.
7. Drinking warm water is effective for all viruses. Try not to drink liquids with ice.
8. Wash your hands frequently as the virus can only live on your hands for 5-10 minutes, but – a lot can happen during that time – you can rub your eyes, pick your nose unwittingly and so on.
9. You should also gargle as a prevention. A simple solution of salt in warm water will suffice.
10. Can’t emphasize enough – drink plenty of water!
THE SYMPTOMS
1. It will first infect the throat, so you’ll have a sore throat lasting 3/4 days.
2. The virus then blends into a nasal fluid that enters the trachea and then the lungs, causing pneumonia. This takes about 5/6 days after that.
3. With the pneumonia comes high fever and difficulty in breathing.
4. The nasal congestion is not like the normal kind. You feel like you’re drowning. It’s imperative you then seek immediate attention.
The Stanford hospital board also provided their feedback for novel coronavirus:
Novel coronavirus may not show sign of infection for many days.
How can one know if he/she is infected?
By the time they have fever and/or cough and go to the hospital, the
lung is usually 50% Fibrosis and it’s too late.
Taiwan experts provide a simple self-check that we can do every morning.
Take a deep breath and hold your breath for more than 10 seconds. If
you complete it successfully without coughing, without discomfort,
stiffness or tightness, etc., it proves there is no Fibrosis in the
lungs, basically indicates no infection.
In critical time, please self-check every morning in an environment
with clean air.
Serious excellent advice by Japanese doctors treating COVID-19 cases:
Everyone should ensure your mouth & throat are moist, never dry.
Take a few sips of water every 15 minutes at least. Why?
Even if the virus gets into your mouth, drinking water or other liquids will wash
them down through your throat and into the stomach.
Once there, your stomach acid will kill all the virus. If you don’t
drink enough water more regularly, the virus can enter your windpipe
and into the lungs.
That’s very dangerous.
I found it very informative but I am no expert.

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NYGuy
#363448

One more thing. This doctor also adds that we should be cleaning our cellphones very, very frequently.

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kea
#363450

Good advice.

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Alison
#363451

Thank you, Ed. Very helpful!

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kalbokalbs
#363468

^^^ Great information, with one big question….
“By the time they have fever and/or cough and go to the hospital, the
lung is usually 50% Fibrosis and it’s too late.”
^^^ Too late for what? Kiss it good bye? Were gonna die? Pneumonia is assured? For a quack to use those words is something less than helpful.
Certainly not in the camp of jumping off a cliff or having anxiety over Corona.
Beyond that one question, seems like many good nuggets of information.

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NYGuy
#363471

He means you are going to be hospitalized.

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churchmouse
#363499

Thank you for this, NYGuy. It is most helpful.
I haven’t read anything this detailed about symptoms and timeline. Excellent content.

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Sylvia Avery
#363553

Thanks Ed. Good stuff.

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daughnworks247
#363585

Adding. Good advice. thank you, NYGuy!

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MAGA Mom
#363445

So, I am not one that thinks this new virus is nothing but no way is it what the media is making it …
Would have rather have seen a reduction in air travel from Italy, etc., v. mass quarantines now that it is here.
Friend just shared her perspective that this may/may not be a a bioweapon…
–>>however, does it matter if it was an accidental release, natural occurrence/mutation or a purposeful release?
NO – it Only matters if it is used/results in the same affect.
If a new virus shows up and it is USED the same, receives the same coverage in the media, if it causes economies to collapse and wide spread panic, etc., then they have won without even actually having to use a real/purposeful bioweapon!
She referenced a tv show called “Leverage” that created a win in the gov by manipulating perception v. reality.

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kea
#363449

I was on bing and it lists where the infection is vs deaths and truth be told you’ve got to take out China and Iran since we know those numbers are wrong. Again people are panicking why?
The negative thinking doesn’t help either.

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NYGuy
#363452

Some more information. Here are a list of products to buy to properly disinfect your area. If it is not on this list, do not buy it. These are the ones that work.
https://www.americanchemistry.com/Novel-Coronavirus-Fighting-Products-List.pdf?mod=article_inline

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daughnworks247
#363454

That’s it. I quit. We’ve officially passed into The Twilight Zone.
I did a whole thread on this one.

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daughnworks247
#363456

Yep, it’s the Twilight Zone, alright.
At least he is an antiseptic flaming bagpipe player riding a unicycle.

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Sadie Slays
#363457

Congressional Democrats are calling for a recess because of “coronavirus.” Wonder what’s coming down the pipeline that they’re trying to effectively shut down Congress via self-quarantines and recesses.

https://www.newsmax.com/politics/congress-coronavirus-disease-outbreak/2020/03/09/id/957453/

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kalbokalbs
#363469

G R E A T NEWS….let Congress shutdown.
FISA DIES in four or five days 😉

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NYGuy
#363458

Of course, the most important thing you will watch. An Italian grandma’s suggestions on how to deal with coronavirus

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michaelh
#363459

Daughn, I’m incredbly impressed, AGAIN. I’ve checked all the usual folks who have been tracking info and gathering links, official notices . . .
WE HAVE THE BEST DATA ANYWHERE.
At least, the best UNCLASS data!
It’s incredible how on the ball we are – not having to “guess” about what’s happening like so many people are.
And these are GREAT BLUEBERRY MUFFINS!!!

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daughnworks247
#363470

You guys have been terrific. I add very little data on my own, mostly a tear down of a specific piece or something like that.
What I’m mostly doing is just sifting YOUR comments here, things you guys found, and then adding them to a timeline.
I loved and laughed at your Empire report and litany of articles, but for instance, I did not add every day. I’m thinking people get the idea.
I’m stunned by the stories you guys can dig up.
Bakocarl is downright amazing. Does he read medical journals all day long??? Wow, he brings great sauce.
Gail, everyone here is bringing good stuff.
It’s really a team effort on this one.

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Gail Combs
#363474

Daughn,
IMPORTANT INFORMATION
From ChiefIO:
“a bit on Vit-D from a clueful M.D. Thesis that Vit-D might help avoid cytokine storms and protects in respiratory disease. May cut risk of infection in half with REGULAR supplements. Not big bolus.”
In other words DO NOT TAKE TOO MUCH VITAMIN D3. Too Much is worse than useless!!

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Gail Combs
#363476

ANOTHER IMPORTANT BIT of INFO.
GUIDE LINES FOR USING BLEACH
https://sheltermedicine.vetmed.ufl.edu/files/2011/10/Guidelines-for-Using-Bleach-updated.pdf

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daughnworks247
#363485

Thank you, Miss Gail!!!

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daughnworks247
#363486

Added!

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daughnworks247
#363487

Gotcha, adding now!

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daughnworks247
#363491

Added!!!

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michaelh
#363479

Yeah the Empire Report really does better with a laugh track 😉

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churchmouse
#363500

Thank you, Daughn, for the EXCELLENT compilation of links and information. Have bookmarked.

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Alison
#363460

Thank you, Daughn. This is all so valuable. I hope you are remembering to hydrate while you are on the computer! We need you in top form 💖💖💖
Ground report from Mon aft grocery shopping West Denver suburb. Store fully stocked except toilet paper and clorox wipes, although there were plenty of lysol & clorox liquid cleansers on shelf. Grocery store was fairly busy; no one wearing protective gear, and no one coughing or looking unusual. We joked with the clerk about balancing the stockpiling vs the hyper spin in the media, and he responded by holding his arms out as far as he could reach and said one end is reality and the other end is the media!! Went on to say how “off the charts” our local tv stations have been.
He said THE MEDIA is the reason the store was swamped over the weekend!!!!
The clerk then told the couple behind us ( who had two 4-packs of toilet paper) “You know your limit is one roll at a time.” The couple laughed, and the husband said, “I’m remembering all those rolls of toilet paper we wasted in high school TPing houses.” We all chuckled.
I think ONE of the reasons for the run on toilet paper is, unlike food items which we most likely can judge usage by thinking of meals or buying patterns, we don’t know how to judge our TP usage. I couldn’t tell you if we buy TP once a week or monthly or even how often we refill the holder. It’s just always rolls in the cupboard when I need it. Unlike dish detergent or laundry detergent, which we also might be unaware how to judge usage and which we can DELAY needing if we suddenly run out, we cannot delay the need for toilet paper. When you gotta, you gotta go!!

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churchmouse
#363501

In my house, we — two people — go through one roll a week.

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Deplorable Patriot
#363513

I can tell u in my house TP is purchased by the case. No running out in crucial situations.

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Dora
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daughnworks247
#363593

News of the whole country ban leaked before the official announcement.
It was a nightmare as parents tried to get to their kids, pick up grandparents in nursing homes, or entire families tries to break out and leave Italy in an instant.

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CM in TN
#363464

Posted over on Parler and Gab. Thanks for the great info!

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Nor'easter
#363465

“Buy the dips and wash your hands.”
( h/t: https://aim4truth.org )

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Sylvia Avery
#363554

*smiling*
I like it………very succinct!

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Nor'easter
#363646

😉

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Gail Combs
#363466

We know the Chinese LIE so lets look at Italy.
ITALY
16 days after the beginning of the outbreak
Total…………New……Total…….New……..Total…….Active…Serious..tot cases/
Cases……….Cases….Deaths…..Deaths…Recovered…..Cases…..Cases…..Pop.
9,172…….+1,797…..463……..+97………724………..7,985……733…..151.7
WHY??
Because of ONE ASS-HOLE!
From Nancy & John Hultquist @ ChiefIO
*https://chiefio.wordpress.com/2020/03/08/7-march-2020-covid-19-california-quarantine-exponential-math/#comment-126260
“I had wondered why Italy, specifically the northwest inland area, was a center for the coronavirus.
….Pavia, Italy has been identified as “ground zero” of the coronavirus outbreak. Geographically this doesn’t make much sense. This is Nowheresville compared to Rome, Paris, or Seattle. So why Pavia?
The story is here:
Patient Zero in Italy “
Quote from that source:

The man believed to be coronavirus patient zero in Italy is a Pakistani migrant refused to self-isolate after testing positive for the virus and continued to deliver food.
Health authorities asked the man to quarantine himself at his home in the Pavia area for two weeks, but he ignored the request and continued to work at a Chinese restaurant.
He then compounded the risk of spreading the virus by making home deliveries of Chinese food.

So it looks like ONE typhoid Mary caused about 10,000 illnesses and 500 deaths IN SIXTEEN DAYS!!!

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kalbokalbs
#363473

A lighter moment of sorts… 😉
Catturd ™ @catturd2
If you’re short on toilet paper – just subscribe to the New York Times.
They’ll deliver it right to your door.
2:55 PM · Mar 9, 2020·Twitter Web App

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🦋🤸‍♀️🦋bflyjesusgrl🦋🤸‍♀️🦋
#363477

A certain well known Conservative someone has been angrily tweeting at CPAC leader all weekend demanding the infected attendee be named…on TWITTER! So now a British outlet has outed who they believe the man is and said angry person and another reporter are tweeting it. I just don’t think this DOXXING is cool. Patients deserve their privacy, it wasn’t the leader’s place to reveal. The patient did give a list of folks he talked w/ and those folks were notified. Even some of the Diamond Princess people in quarantine have reported they’re getting death threats. Other countries have had attacks and riots.
I don’t know if said person even went to CPAC. IMO, The anger seems over the top, using the excuse that the public needs to know. Sensing other deeper reasons for hostility???
If anyone that attended has symptoms, then State will surely allow test because there’s a confirmed case already and they want to track spread. If no symptoms, hopefully they’re ok, but if unsure, then self quarantine. Just like our responsible Congressmen are doing. Tests for All are being manufactured and distributed as fast as possilble, but until they’re available, triage is necessary.
I wish MAGA peeps would be responsible, work together, help and protect one another and try to get along! WWG1WGA

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MAGA Mom
#363509

Why is it a BIG deal to Know the person’s name? Because retracing the person’s steps is only by memory. EVERYONE who was exposed deserves to know that they were exposed! Plus, right now tests are limited to those with severe symptoms or a direct connection. No one can get tested unless they are notified they were in contact with this person or they can state that they were. Right now, CPAC is letting the people know who the patient (who is now hospitalized) is remembering they had contact with or the CPAC staff remembers they had contact with. Not really fair to everyone who attended as those who might have their own memories of interacting with him might want to be tested. He was a high level donor who bought a backstage access pass and that is why so many big names are isolating and why CPAC says he was not in the general room – he is a big donor with an expensive backstage pass.

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🦋🤸‍♀️🦋bflyjesusgrl🦋🤸‍♀️🦋
#363526

DOXXING someone on TWITTER IS NOT COOL!!! To angrily, publicly, scream, bully, and disparage the leader and the conference on Twitter all weekend long is NOT the way to handle the situation.
At this point it’s been 10 days. You either got infected or you didn’t and Having a name makes NO difference.
IF you were infected the only way you’ll know for sure is if you develop symptoms. Then you follow the procedure. For now, Since there are so few tests available you must have symptoms and have either travelled or been in the vacinity of a confirmed case. If you have no symptoms you’re just going to have to wait until testing for worriers becomes available, which may be this week? That’s all we got right now.

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churchmouse
#363504

‘Interesting statistic that I just learned during the press conference’: Absent Dad must have missed that memo about the under-60s.
Where has he been the past few weeks?
Surely, his father must have made that clear from the beginning.
It is old (no pun intended) news here across the pond.
Sorry, Plumnelly, I’m not getting at you — only him.

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plumnelly1
#363588

I found it strange and posted it for input as always…so you did what you should Churchmouse…questioned.

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churchmouse
#363590

‘I found it strange’: good!
Thanks!

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daughnworks247
#363602

He’s probably just stressing the reality of those infected and trying to present a better perception.

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daughnworks247
#363481

No Youtube video as yet, will add when we receive the clips. At the Task Force Presser, the VP and team updated Medicare efforts with elderly, all 8000 inspectors deployed to address infectious disease compliance, particularly at nursing homes. Included is inspecting and testing those who ENTER nursing homes. Medicare as of 18 months ago pays for elderly to telecnference with with physicians. Details of of those leaving cruise ship in California.
And then, the President came out and took the podium.
Economics
Looking for a payroll tax cut
Will be helping certain industries, cruise, airlines, hotels.
Hourly employees may receive benefit for lost wages, looking at it.
Small business loans.
Big deal.
Fiscal policy shift
Dow futures swung 400 points while he was talking.

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Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy
#363543

Testing entrants is a great idea!

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Volgarian8301
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daughnworks247
#363594

This one nursing home will be an interesting case study one day.

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Volgarian8301
#363609

Makes you wonder about their protocol. Life Care doesn’t have the best reputation, but this is sad

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ozzytrumpster
#363488

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Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy
#363537

Oh, this is good! We must use this one BIG LEAGUE!!!

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ozzytrumpster
#363489

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ozzytrumpster
#363490

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churchmouse
#363505

Excellent. Thanks, ozzy!

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ozzytrumpster
#363492

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daughnworks247
#363595

Bwwhahhaaaaaaaaa

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ozzytrumpster
#363493

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GA/FL
#363507

That’s a MEME, right?

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Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy
#363539

BWAHAHAHAHA! Oh, that’s CRUEL!!!

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ozzytrumpster
#363495

At least they wouldn’t be grumpy frogs
NEWS MARCH 09, 2020
The French government actually had to tell people that cocaine isn’t a cure for coronavirus after the fake claim spread online
‘No, cocaine does NOT protect against COVID-19.’

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ozzytrumpster
#363496

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Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy
#363540

LMAO!!!

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ozzytrumpster
#363498

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GA/FL
#363506

Very surprising the hospital didn’t have infectious disease protocols and proper equipment!
What city was this?

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MAGA Mom
#363514

Don’t want to blast in more details than I included as it is not my story to tell and don’t want to get anyone fired. Regret even saying the state.
Point of sharing? a) true story/ground report that demonstrates the seriousness of the illness; b) reminder to not go to hospital during this situation unless absolutely necessary a hospitals are where the sick people/germs are! and c) even hospitals are not properly prepared for this situation so calmly, purposefully and intentionally take wise actions and then carry on

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daughnworks247
#363519

Valuable report, however. I agree with you, MagaMom. It’s time to get ahead of this thing.
We need outside triage.
We need PSA’s announcing procedure to public.
DO NOT walk into an emergency room and potentially infect 20-40 healh care workers.
No reason whatsoever for hospitals not having disinfectant materials = time to spin up supply and commandeer some $hit.

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Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy
#363541

Yes – valuable report – gonna leave it up as is.

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GA/FL
#363577

It’s very important to me as a mother of a disabled patient IN FL who nearly died last year due to sepsis.

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GA/FL
#363579

If I didn’t need that information, I would not have asked. LINK and LINK
However, if you still do not wish to disclose the city or hospital, I will understand.

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MAGA Mom
#363648

I was 100% foolish in the above post. I realized how foolish over time. Creativity has Zero place in this situation.
1) I omitted details and substituted details do try to obscure for the sake of discretion. Not everyone lives in places that are as free as we are. I regret saying a specific state. My thought process was to be thoughtful and not reveal specifics while getting the message out. You know how in novels names are changed to protect living people if it is “inspired” by real events or a real event is told but names are changed?
However, that was the wrong thing to have done. I was wrong to have written the story the way I did. It did not want/intend to deceive or to cause alarm or to do damage…but intentions are good enough. I should have been 100x more responsible.
After thinking long and hard about it, with very little sleep & not able to eat as I don’t want to cause more trouble, I would rather admit this than do further damage to others. It is much better to ruin my credibility and welcome here than to let the post stand and do any damage to others.
I ought to have simply been vague rather substituting one of our states for the location in which this happened. I deeply regret stating “Florida” and some of the other details to drive home true points.
2) What is the core truth of the above story based on a story?
a) That medical staff are sometimes being surprised with patients walking in medical offices/facilities with the virus.
b) That same were, in some locations, running low on certain supplies and those supplies were, at the time back ordered and not always locally available.
3) Why did I post this story?
a) prepare wisely but don’t hoard to sell or price gouge so that those who need supplies can restock to for immediate use….but do prepare!
b) if you have symptoms, don’t just walk into a medical facility/office as you will then expose all working staff and visiting patients. Call your healthcare provider and/or local health department. Then follow directions.
We have seen in Italy (and other countries) what happens when the medial are exposed, immediately taken out of circulation/work rotations for their own now mandatory quarantines. Or aren’t immediately quarantined and then become carriers/spreaders throughout the medical system and to other patients.
Travlers coming from international locations are being told to not go to the doctor if they develop symptoms but to call instead. All of us should do same if we are concerned.
c) Assume that the hospitals are busier than usual and that hospitals are locations where the sick are…therefore higher risk. this is always true. longer you are in the hospital, greater the risk of cross infections, etc.
d) ask your doctors and your hospitals what they are doing when someone presents or is admitted with Wuhan Flu. If they are not prepared…take note.
e) Only upside to my own HUGE mistake is that best if we all keep in mind that the scenario could happen at any hospital if someone just walks in off the street presenting with flu symptoms. Be aware when/if going to the hospital and inquire v. assume what they are doing. Don’t take it for granted…trust but verify.
f) be grateful that our US medical care has been consistently higher standards than described in the “story” and that our patient death rate is much slower/less with much better treatments that extend life giving the body time to heal than found in the “story” above.
Again, I am very sorry to have posted an inaccurate post to communicate “truth”. The principles, the message stand. Take personal responsibility when seeking medical attention – so that you are not a spreader and so that you are properly cautious.
I realize I have deservedly and regrettably ruined my credibility here. I will still be a ready but too embarrassed to be more than a quiet lurker. BTW, there is no deep plot – I wasn’t try to gin up fear or panic, just trying to promote intention actions, awareness, wisdom and precautions based on stories and events elsewhere. Take care and thank you to all of the writers and commenters here.

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GA/FL
#363649

MAGA Mom – Are you saying it wasn’t a hospital in FL?
PLEASE stay with us – each and every QTreeper has made mistakes here and embarrassed ourselves to a fair-thee-well! I’ve posted some ill-thought, low-down stuff and have just learned a lot about my own frailty and fallibility and foolishness on this and other blogs.
Saying I’m sorry is enough.
We ALL LOVE YOU and do not want you to ‘go away’ – please, please stay with us…we are all human and that means forgiving and pressing on together.
WWG1WGA!!! ❤️❤️❤️ YOU!!!

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MAGA Mom
#363652

I am always too wordy.
Simple Point: I lied in this thread. Please take the point as seriously as if I had not lied in this thread.
Will treasure your words.
Prayers for you, your family, all of us treepers, our families, our President and our country.

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GA/FL
#363659

We still love you very much! You are cherished and valuable to us. Your honesty about this is a lesson for us all. We all need to hold fast to the truth – as GOD has commanded, for our own sake and others.
Love you!

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daughnworks247
#363670

MAGA Mom, as I was able to read all details……… don’t worry about it at all. I completely understand why you did what you did. Total pass on this one.
Pass me a muffin, please.

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MAGA Mom
#363651

Specifically to GA/FL:
My personal opinion (which may have Zero credibility with you at this point and that I would understand) is that, despite the above story now having zero validity in reality, you ought to check every facility you take your daughter to for what their procedures are and then stay very aware if/when you are in the medical facility.
I think you do this anyway as you seem to be a Very aware, detailed and informed person.
I am not a democrat and so will not plead “intention” but will instead say that what I did in that post was wrong and I have learned many lessons, lessons I wish I had learned from other’s experiences v. my own gross errors in judgement.
I am sorry that I did mislead readers in these posts…intentions (reasons, excuses) do not matter…I have mislead and made misleading statements and have created a false impression. I apologize for my foolishness and weakness…these last two posts were the only way I know to fix the errors. I humbly apologize and take full responsibility for my own posts.
But I do hope that we stay informed, cautious, aware and prepared and that the point is not lost in the irritation, disappointment, frustration or even anger at my misleading posts.
prayers for you, for your daughter and for you as her caretaker. you are special lady. Take care.

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daughnworks247
#363673

You’re fine. I get it.
We all love Ga/Fl daughter.
Your thread was fine.
What are we cooking for dinner?

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Deplorable Patriot
#363510

Latest from the land known as Creve Coeur or broken heart. Trust me, some dad got on the phone and made this happen.
https://www.ksdk.com/mobile/article/news/health/coronavirus/villa-duchesne-to-remain-closed-for-rest-of-week-for-hospital-grade-cleaning/63-f4974ad7-fa00-4a0c-a0c4-b6fec84ba680

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MAGA Mom
#363512

Do I think the media and the Dems are using this wuhan flu for everything possible advantage? YES, YES and YES!
Do I think that quarantines are going to be incredibly disruptive with Zero help from Dems and media? Yes!
Do I think that this virus is WAY more contagious than we are being told? YES!
And do I think death rates are higher than being stated? Yes…look at Italy’s numbers which are true numbers v. China & Iran. But in US, as long as medical system not overwhelmed, will be lower, esp. for younger, healthier people.
The panic is unwise and unnecessary but what I see as panic is the emotionalism v. the action. I see action as wise and intention based on facts.
Look at the Lawyer in NY: how many cases from just that 1 man? Many cases are not serious…good. But still, consider how many from 1 man. Also, the CPAC patient seems to have caught it from the NY Lawyer (synagogue) and then took it to CPAC where many of our nation’s conservative leaders, our VP and our POTUS were potentially exposed! POTUS was exposed to people who were exposed to CPAC patient even if he didn’t meet the CPAC patient. Huge numbers of exposer and straight to our VP and POTUS from 1 NY Lawyer in a matter of the weeks from it hitting US shores.
Stock market? Wuhan being here or the reality of Wuhan in China + Russia/SA oil war?
We are still leaving the house and meeting with others and going to group events. Not panicked. But wise and cautious and taking this Seriously. I am not making fun of others who are taking it seriously and yet with don’t think its the end of civilization. We will have peak numbers and then all will begin to calm and the economy will recover.
But is a serious situation.

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bakocarl
#363532

Right on, MAGA Mom!!!

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daughnworks247
#363518

At Approx. 2:00minute mark in video.
Iran released 70,000 prisoners into the streets. Having trouble controlling virus in prisons.
Will continue to release prisoners as long as it does not adversely affect population.
??? Huh????
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xDp44blfIu0

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Sadie Slays
#363521

Reminder that Iran jailed thousands of political protesters after the whole Soleimani thing. Let’s hope they’re letting the political prisoners out and not actual criminals.

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MAGA Mom
#363524

Vanderbilt canceling classes because some students had encounters with #4 TN Wuhan flu patient diagnosed in Nashville.
https://www.tennessean.com/story/news/education/2020/03/09/vanderbilt-cancel-classes-coronavirus-concerns/5006443002/

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MAGA Mom
#363525

Quarantines…very disruptive. Less disruptive than many sick at once + higher death rates because health system overloaded or quarantines more disruptive than letting it hit hard and fast? Which is kinder to most people? Which is more humane?

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Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy
#363542

Every smart person I’ve heard on the problem says that slowing it down and stretching it out with quarantine is the smart way to go. They all say the fast burn is way worse.

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ozzytrumpster
#363552

Plus buys time to get antivirals Production rampted up

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daughnworks247
#363597

Yeah, the Remdesivir is really looking good, too.

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Sylvia Avery
#363557

Yes. Same here. Helps (not prevents probably) but helps reduce strain on our health care system. If our hospitals are overwhelmed, no empty beds and medical staff are sick, the heart attacks and gunshot wounds and strokes and cancer patients won’t get the kind of care they need………..

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daughnworks247
#363581

On the other hand, I anticipate a sharp decline in crime.

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GA/FL
#363580

Quarantine buys time which is doubly, triply significant with a SEASONAL illness!

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🦋🤸‍♀️🦋bflyjesusgrl🦋🤸‍♀️🦋
#363528

Majority of hospitals in Houston area have implemented new visitor protocols. 1-2 visitors a day, all must be pre-screened and temp checked. Good to see proactive measures.
https://www.khou.com/article/news/health/coronavirus/houston-hospitals-update-visitation-policies-over-coronavirus-concerns/285-dc38dbf1-f364-45b7-9bf2-bf684c7c98bd

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bakocarl
#363534

“Good to see proactive measures.” . . . Totally agree, but since it seems there is a infectious period without symptoms . . . they’re gonna get in sooner or later!!!

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Gail Combs
#363569

Temperature check is worse than useless since it gives a false sense of security.
….
I wish they had a better handle on HOW IT TRAVELS.
✅ Coughing & Sneezing
❔ Breath, aerosolize – probably
✅ Surface contamination – 48 hours (some papers)
❔ Surface contamination – months (other papers)
✅ infected til symptoms – 14 days – CDC
✅ infected til symptoms – 24 days – DOCUMENTED
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/about/transmission.html

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GA/FL
#363596

How long are people contagious after contracting disease, after symptoms appear, after symptoms are gone and ostensibly well?

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GA/FL
#363582

ALSO – patient or family can request NO VISITORS or only family – normal INTENSIVE CARE unit rules

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daughnworks247
#363530

Our grocery stores are still stocked.
I was wondering how come we hadn’t been hit yet……
I started to make a list, and realized there’s nothing I really had to have.
Funny thing……… before all this panic hit……. and this is no lie… everyone I know already had at least 50 rolls of toilet paper and at least 4 gallons of bleach, super size box of laundry detergent AND a back up box. Ammonia, de-greasers, PineSol, no problem. We buy DAWN dish soap by the gallon, Windex by the gallon and use refill bottles. Everyone I know has at least one gallon bottle of vinegar, 20-30 bars of soap for a shower.
We all buy tuna fish or Campbell’s soup by the case but only the cream of mushroom for recipes or tomato soup for the kids.
We get twitchy if there is not 5lbs of cheese in the fridge at all times and my house does not RUN unless there is a stockpile of 20lbs of butter, both salted and unsalted.
Same thing with coffee.
Same thing with bacon.
Same thing with chocolate chips.
An entire section of the pantry devoted to canned tomatoes, sauces and paste.
And we are fortunate to have friends who make incredible jams, jellies, and local honey.
There’s probably 150lbs of pecans in the freezer, but only because the pecan trees didn’t do so well last year.
And, Lord knows,……… Daughn has blueberries frozen.
Naturally, I have a 20lbs bin of flour but wheat and weird flours for breads too, and probably 30lbs of sugar, refined, confectioners, superfine, and light/dark brown.
Can’t remember the last time I only had 5lbs of sugar – it’s been at least 25yrs.
Rice and beans? You’ve got to be kidding. I don’t know anyone who does not have at least 10lbs of rice and at least 5lbs of dried beans to make soups and that’s a conservative estimate.
And when I go to friend’s homes, I am the lightweight when it comes to a pantry. They can vegetables and will “put up” 500 ears of corn at a time, or when the peas and beans come in. Some of them have pickle crocks and make their own cheeses. We don’t freeze meats and instead, buy our meats the day we make something. Yet, when we lived in New Orleans, it wasn’t odd to have 200lbs of shrimp in the freezer.
Now, is it strange? Maybe. We all live within a mile of three LARGE grocery stores, anything available, 24 hours a day, and we go to the store at least every other day. Yet, a well-stocked pantry is a given in this area. And I’m still not sure why……
With 5 lbs of chicken and a few good steaks, Big T and I could sit at home for a month fairly easily….. but we might run out of milk. We would have to make a trip out to the farm.

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Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy
#363556

I was talking to a very level-headed prep expert. Showed me his stuff – good for maybe 6-9 months if he needed to suddenly use it. He rotates through it on a daily basis. He would have no change of lifestyle other than not getting fresh veggies, eggs, milk, etc., and substituting canned and powdered.
I suspect you have more than he does.

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Gail Combs
#363570

I think E.M. Explained it.
Our parents/ grand parents went through the Great Depression and they were of the generation who had gardens and canned their own veggies. A friend’s mother would literally can an entire cow when they slaughered one. To NOT have a stocked pantry was unthinkable.
It is only the recent generation who is used to fresh & frozen foods available 24 hours a day who are bewildered at the idea of a full pantry. Also pantries take up SPACE. The Agenda 21 goal of 200 sq ft apartments have no room for storage. Even before that apartments made kitchens smaller and smaller.
We had our house built (modular) and I went round and round with the MALE architect trying to get the door to the under stairs broom closet shifted to one side so I could put in shelves. He also shit canned my floor to ceiling upper kitchen cabinets and the builder not only did not put in the premium quality cabinets we PAID FOR, the TYPE of cabinets I ordered, they charged us $3000 for sheetrock furr downs over the kitchen cabinets!!!
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It has been 25 years and I am STILL ANGRY about that loss of storage space I desperately need.

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daughnworks247
#363578

Ohhh, Miss Gail, you are so right.
When we moved in, I casually mentioned to my builder husband that I would “sure like some shelves in the utility room” which was next to the kitchen. It wasn’t a full week when the shelves showed up. We have 12′ ceilings and the transformation was nothing less than a miracle.
They used over two cases of caulk when originally installed, before final painting.
Besides the washer/dryer, I had a extra frig/freezer/ another freezer, extra double ovens, large armoire and small armoire I was using as food pantry space, in the room. They filled in shelves around those items all the way to the ceiling. Even bookshelves for cookbooks!!
It was like magic to me, like heroin to an addict.
Best thing they did was shelving for a narrow space behind a door. Floor to ceiling shelves maybe 7 inches deep, which was otherwise wasted space. It’s perfect for jams/jelly/honey, and the tomato sauce stuff.
Then, the too small old breakfast room was turned into a dish pantry, using old mahogany sheet music cabinets, Stanley tool chests for all the good silver flatware, and open shelving for dishes. It was amazing.
Brilliant engineering and use of space.

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GA/FL
#363584

Even in my senior citizen house – I did not do furr downs or open top dropped down in the kitchen cabinets that the builder wanted to do. I hated losing that storage space and the dust on top of those cabinets. They did sneak in open tops in the LR and master bath. Grrr.
I also hate the quick dry cheap chipping lacquer finish they put on my cabinets. I’ve had to sand, paint and touch up the bottom doors, drawers, and touch up the uppers in kitchen and bathroom where it has chipped. Cabinet people love the quick dry part. Time is money. If I ever build another house, I’ll make arrangements for a painter to do the finish coat on my doors and drawers.

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GA/FL
#363586

Note – now that I’m officially over the hill, I’m looking to buy one of those new fangled ladders with hand rails!

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daughnworks247
#363572

You know, the onions/garlic will keep, but we’re going to have to have fresh green pepper/mushrooms for the spaghetti.

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SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA
#363721

No garlic and onions in the sauce?
HERESY!!!!

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kalbokalbs
#363612

Bags, cans, boxes are either numbered 1, 2, 3… or dates exp/best by date written in sharpie on containers. FIFO – First In, First Out. Stuff on shelves is rotated to assist FIFO. Dates on packaging are monitored. Can stuff don’t worry about much, if at all. Box stuff dates matter moar, but not definitive. Rarely have to toss stuff.
Twice a year, first of June and December, I go through OTC meds and first aid stuff checking dates. Always buy bulk or larger pain and the like meds. Much gets tossed. But cost isn’t that much IF it is ever really needed. Same change out dates for HVAC and fridge filter. IF Corona perks up locally, HVAC, will go to every two months.
Reserve fuel rotated into vehicles every three months to keep it fresh.

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Gail Combs
#363565

Here is another very good video on Vitamin D. He runs through a meta-data study. (combined data study of ~10,000 people) and finds daily doses of Vitamin D are best. NO ADVERSE EFFECT FROM TOO MUCH VITAMIN D.
What is interesting is at the very end, he mentions that vitamin D PROTECTS against massive immune response that is the killer with this Wuhan Virus.

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daughnworks247
#363599

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Gail Combs
#363658

Thank you Daughn.
There are so many studies that contradict each other and the CDC recommendations. I really wish CDC would have used the quarantined people to do some STUDIES!
Do the tests every day or every other day along with temperature and symptoms. It was a great chance to GATHER NEEDED INFO and instead Nancy Messonnier was concern that quarantine was so HARD on people. 🙄

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daughnworks247
#363662

I’m with you on that one.

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🦋🤸‍♀️🦋bflyjesusgrl🦋🤸‍♀️🦋
#363544

I might venture out for a few things this week, gonna wait til at least Thursday to hopefully to give stores time to restock from the previous weekend in preparation for the coming one. Sams still has no toilet paper!!

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🦋🤸‍♀️🦋bflyjesusgrl🦋🤸‍♀️🦋
#363545

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Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy
#363555

Here is something useful to put the PRIMARY DANGER in perspective.

Now, however, we get to the REAL problem. It is the SECONDARY DANGER that is great. We have to keep this shit away from elderly people until there is a vaccine. And if you did not do that BEFORE you got it, then you likely gave it to them.
It runs RAMPANT in nursing homes. CHECK THIS OUT!!!! 19 out of 22 deaths in Washington are at this ONE nursing home!!!
https://www.chron.com/news/education/article/Washington-virus-deaths-hit-22-3-more-from-15117719.php
We have to be FAR MORE PROACTIVE to protect OTHERS.
Italy’s problem was that damn MUSLIM PAKISTANI ASSHOLE who in my opinion needs to be EXECUTED. He didn’t care about others, broke quarantine, and KILLED PEOPLE. I don’t call him a “migrant”. He was a damn INVADER who did not care for the people around him. He might as well have shot hundreds of people.

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Sylvia Avery
#363558

Washington state has another nursing home/elderly person testing positive for WuFlu as of tonight. This nursing home is about 15 miles from away, so confirmed cases are getting closer to me.
I agree……..what that invader did to Italy should be punishable by death. I hope it wakes them up to immigration issues.

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Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy
#363559

How long could you stay at home and not go out right now?
I really think we need staff in nursing homes volunteering to LIVE ON SITE for extended shifts. Basically lock them down very heavily until there is a vaccine.

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Sylvia Avery
#363560

Realistically………….I could probably go six weeks. Maybe longer. I have enough freeze dried emergency good for six months. I’m not sure how long the dog food would last. Of course, if it was dire, I could share people food with her, but I don’t want to do that if I don’t have to.
But there’s stuff, like dishwasher detergent, laundry detergent, cleaning products. I didn’t take those into consideration and now I wonder about the supply chain and availability, and do I have enough of this stuff? Probably I have sufficient for this situation. But I may go out, AGAIN, and get a couple more bags of dry dog food. Not her favorite, but it will keep her alive and healthy.

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Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy
#363561

Or have it delivered. Dog food delivery is not bad at all. Prescription dog food delivery is the gateway to that world. It’s so easy, it begs you to do it for the non-prescription stuff.

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Sylvia Avery
#363566

Hmm………..last time I checked I don’t think Chewy’s carried her food, but I should check again and check other places because you’re right……that would be a no brainer solution! TY!
And for that matter, I can order cleaning products I think I might need from Walmart, so yeah……..I don’t need to go out. (But Wolfie, the thought of staying home suddenly makes me want DESPERATELY to go out!!!!!!! How perverse human nature is!!!! LOL!)

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Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy
#363568

Oh, I hear you, but a good staycation quarantine is a great life experience. Something to tell the kids.
“Oh, yes, back on 2020, before you were BORN, we had a QUARANTINE!”
“REALLY???!!! WOW!!!”

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kalbokalbs
#363613

Posted here QTree, a blurb from Proctor and Gamble a couple weeks ago indicated very heavy reliance on China chain. It jostled me to stock 9 month supply soaps, shampoos, cleaning and laundry stuff.
Surely the good capitalists, (used in a complimentary manner;-), are working alternative sourcing. But I’d rather not be part of the group wishing for moar, if shelves go empty.
FTA bold added
P&G Says 17,600 Products Could Be Affected By Coronavirus In China, Highlighting Supply Chain Risk
Consumer goods giant P&G, joining a chorus of companies including Apple, Adidas and Starbucks, warned Thursday that its sales and profit in China, its second-largest market, would be hurt by the coronavirus outbreak there. But the risk goes beyond that.
“We access 387 suppliers in China that ship to us globally more than 9,000 different materials, impacting approximately 17,600 different finished product items,” Jon Moeller, Procter & Gamble’s chief operating officer and chief financial officer, said Thursday at a conference in New York. “Each of these suppliers faces their own challenges in resuming operations.”
*https://www.forbes.com/sites/andriacheng/2020/02/20/chinas-coronavirus-outbreak-threatens-to-send-global-supply-chain-into-a-tailspin-pg-alone-has-17600-items-that-could-be-affected/#3ad2a56f156f

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daughnworks247
#363619

Added to economic impact section, thank you, Kalbo!

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Sylvia Avery
#363736

Thanks………this escaped me at the time. I’m going to make a list and order this stuff online so I’m ready. 👍👍👍

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foxglovemeadows
#363688

Confirmed case in Whatcom today, quarantined at home, Sylvia. Is that the same one?

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Sylvia Avery
#363693

No, it’s not. The one last night was in Stanwood……Thanks for letting me know. Any in BC?

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foxglovemeadows
#363697

There is 5 in BC, none close to me. I’m more concerned about Whatcom. I know there are some being tested in the hospital too.

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Sylvia Avery
#363699

I’m in Skagit, so…….. Close, close, close.

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foxglovemeadows
#363701

Yes its all very close now.

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Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy
#363571

We are caught between two dangers:
(1) OMG, we’re all gonna die if we don’t prep for doomsday
(2) It’s all a hoax, there’s nothing to worry about

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Gail Combs
#363573

E.M.Smith says:
8 March 2020 at 6:03 am
“4 off the batch from disembarked Diamond Princess passengers (S.F. ship) have tested positive in Canada. What about the majority who scattered across the USA? No testing so crickets….”
Grand Princess is the newest ship that just got off loaded.
I STILL want to kick Nancy Messonnier’s butt!

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Gail Combs
#363574

Another tidbit from the Chiefio blog.
Bill In Oz says:
9 March 2020 at 7:49 am
“This is worth thinking about :
The virus causes the body to lose potassium and become hypokalemic.. In this Chinese study from Wuhan all 175 patients stricken with COVID 19 were potassium depleted….And responded well to potassium supplementation.
As it happens i already take potassium supplements each day. 1020 mg tablets of Potassium Bicarbonate . from Iherb.”
https://www.thailandmedical.news/news/covid-19-research-updates-chinese-study-reveals-that-hypokalemia-present-in-almost-all-covid-19-patients
……
I use NoSalt (KCl) (by French’s) instead of regular NaCl salt. I also dump a couple packets of HerbOx sodium free boullon in my rice when I make it. And I use a couple packets in a mug of hot water for a hot drink. I add dried chives or parsley for a change of pace. It comes in beef, chicken or veggie.
https://healthyheartmarket.com/products/herb-ox-chicken-bouillon-50-packets-sodium-free-7-05-oz
…
If you get leg cramps especially in the calf muscles you may be low in potassium.

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GA/FL
#363603

CAUTION – DOCTOR IN FAMILY just emailed me that too high serum potassium can cause SEVERE HEART PROBLEMS.

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Gail Combs
#363631

My problem down here in the south is WAY TO LOW in K. I sweat it out my pores. (Mom did too.) If I get low on K my blood pressure shoots up, I get leg cramps and then migraines. If I take K as boulion or in an Atkins shake the migrane is gone in 10 to 15 minutes. My friend with the same problem passes out. I have had to haul her into the emergency to get intravenous K twice.
(I am allergic to many fruits and veggies which are rich sources of potassium.)
Your kidneys secrete K so if you are drinking a lot esp caffeinated beverages you secrete K.
>>>>>>>>>>
And yes if you want to kill someone, K does a very nice job and leaves no evidence.🙃
>>>>>>>>>>
Potassium
Fact Sheet for Health Professionals
https://ods.od.nih.gov/factsheets/Potassium-HealthProfessional/

….Potassium is absorbed via passive diffusion, primarily in the small intestine [2,4,5]. About 90% of ingested potassium is absorbed and used to maintain its normal intracellular and extracellular concentrations [3,5]. Potassium is excreted primarily in the urine, some is excreted in the stool, and a very small amount is lost in sweat. The kidneys control potassium excretion in response to changes in dietary intakes, and potassium excretion increases rapidly in healthy people after potassium consumption, unless body stores are depleted [2,6]. The kidneys can adapt to variable potassium intakes in healthy individuals, but a minimum of 5 mmol (about 195 mg) potassium is excreted daily in urine [3]. This, combined with other obligatory losses, suggests that potassium balance cannot be achieved with intakes less than about 400–800 mg/day.
Normal serum concentrations of potassium range from about 3.6 to 5.0 mmol/L and are regulated by a variety of mechanisms [3,7]. Diarrhea, vomiting, kidney disease, use of certain medications, and other conditions that alter potassium excretion or cause transcellular potassium shifts can cause hypokalemia (serum levels below 3.6 mmol/L) or hyperkalemia (serum levels above 5.0 mmol/L) [3,5,7,8]. Otherwise, in healthy individuals with normal kidney function, abnormally low or high blood levels of potassium are rare.
Assessing potassium status is not routinely done in clinical practice, and it is difficult to do because most potassium in the body is inside cells. Although blood potassium levels can provide some indication of potassium status, they often correlate poorly with tissue potassium stores [3,9,10]. Other methods to measure potassium status include collecting balance data (measuring net potassium retention and loss); measuring the total amount of potassium or the total amount of exchangeable potassium in the body; and conducting tissue analyses (e.g., muscle biopsies), but all have limitations [9]…..

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Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy
#363696

Good stuff. I respect having good potassium levels! Electrolytes! Very important. Leg cramps are an excellent canary on that stuff.

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Gail Combs
#363707

THAT is my point of view. If I get leg cramps time for a cup of KCl bullion or an Atkins shake. If I ignore the cramps then I get the flashing lights/blind spots signalling an on coming migraine about four to six hours later.
I ignored the cramps early this morning and sure enough I got the flashing lights before noon. (DUMB DUMB DUMB…)

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GA/FL
#363575

As of this morning, the Johns Hopkins world map no longer shows US cases by county, and the US CDC only shows the number by state. The site was malfunctioning last evening and had to be revamped during the night.
At my request*, the FL Department of Health added an ongoing list of FL cases with county, age, sex, and whether they had a history of foreign travel to the coronavirus webpage – http://www.floridahealth.gov/diseases-and-conditions/COVID-19/index.html Note – 9 out of 13 Florida cases had a history of foreign travel. 2 of the Florida patients have died – one in Lee County and the other unknown.
As of this morning, there are 6 confirmed and 11 presumptive cases in GA. https://dph.georgia.gov I have requested*, and hopefully, the State of GA will add a county list to their webpage.
However, at this point in both states, many more are being tested and quarantined.
The list of counties with coronavirus cases is helpful to people with serious health conditions and their caregivers, in deciding whether to cancel/postpone doctor and dentist appointments, etc.
If you would like your State Department of Health to post a county by county list, you can contact them via phone or email.
LINKS:
GLOBAL – US – STATE CASES – Johns Hopkins – https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6
US – STATE CASES – CDC – https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cases-in-us.html
FL CASES – http://www.floridahealth.gov/diseases-and-conditions/COVID-19/index.html
GA cases – https://dph.georgia.gov

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GA/FL
#363576

*Our daughter has a serious health condition and nearly died last year due to sepsis. I really appreciated the state of FL adding the more detailed information to their list, since 2 of the cases are in neighboring counties.

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daughnworks247
#363600

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kalbokalbs
#363643

Disappointed JH gave up on county numbers. Thought it was helpful proximity information. Will pursue county data from NV bureaucrats. Looked awhile ago and they were updating weekly with total numbers. looks like I’ll be a squeaky wheel to get like data you are getting from FL.

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GA/FL
#363644

So far no response from State of GA – but they are in PC crippled Hotlanta.

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Dora
#363587

https://twitter.com/TheTrumpPage1/status/1237208319070068736

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daughnworks247
#363601

????????????? He just started!!!!

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churchmouse
#363605

CPAC attendance?

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kalbokalbs
#363614

Ya, handful CPAC attendees. Cruz, Gaetz, Meadows, couple others I can’t recall.

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churchmouse
#363617

Exactly.

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Dora
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GA/FL
#363598

The most striking thing I have noted from all the coronavirus websites is the low number of ‘recovered’ cases.
Evidently, like the flu, coronavirus takes around 3-4 weeks for recovery.

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kalbokalbs
#363616

USA has been stuck at 15 recovered for awhile. Should start creeping up soon. Then rise along parallel path as new cases did. At that point, “the sky is falling” crowd, along with MCM and D-Rats will cease their doom speak.

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churchmouse
#363604

HAND WASHING — USEFUL INFORMATION:
1/ Soap hygiene illustrated:

2/ Why soap and water work (long thread — 39 posts — from an Icelandic chemistry professor who teaches in Australia):
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1236549305189597189.html

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Gail Combs
#363660

Very good info. I passed it along to the Chiefio blog.

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daughnworks247
#363665

I added above as well. What a great thread. So easy to understand.

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churchmouse
#363743

Excellent. Thanks very much.

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GA/FL
#363606

NOTE – After the WHO came out against PDJT’s China and other US travel restrictions – the WHO people have NOT been invited to participate in the WHITE HOUSE CORONAVIRUS Press Briefings.
HA!!!

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kalbokalbs
#363618

Have not viewed WHO as an honest broker…part of the solution.

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daughnworks247
#363620

I saw one article with WHO director praising President but it was gone in a flash.

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Gail Combs
#363607

From ChiefIO
E.M.Smith says:
10 March 2020 at 12:04 am
Latest data has doubling time of cases outside China at 4 days. Lets match that exponential to the calendar for the USA (EU countries are in much deeper doo on this, starting over 1000 and population about 1/5 or less for even some of the big countries. So the EU will be a week or two ahead on this. So here I start at the very conservative 500 starting cases, then double it in the first column. The second column steps up by 4 days per doubling.

500     now  (March 9)
1000    4 days
2000    8
4000    12
8000    16
16000   20  days (March 29th)
32000   24  (April 2)
64k     28
128k    32
256k    36  (April 14)
(hospital system full and collapses)
512k    40
1 million  44   ( April 22)
(Can we bury 50,000 to 100,000 in 4 days?)
2 M
4 M     April 30
8 M     May 4
16 M
32 M
64 M
128 M   May 20
256 M   May 24
-Effectively all of the USA is in the doo.
512 M -EXCEEDS 100% US POPULATION )

The good news is we can slow this down with massive testing, quarantines, banning group meetings, stopping flights & cruises, masks, gloves, and lots of social distancing.
The bad news is we are not presently doing that.
So mark your calendar and make your plans.

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Gail Combs
#363610

I would also add the ‘start’ number is artificially low due to CDC – Nancy Messonnier’s refusal to TEST. Only now do we actually have tests and the ‘PERMISSION’ to test people who were not in China and did not have contact with an infected person. I expect, once testing is actually started we will see the number of infected sky rocket.
WORSE the symptoms are not very clear. Lymphocytopenia is the condition of having an abnormally low level of lymphocytes (white cells) in the blood plus an abnormal chest scan are seen in most cases. However those will not show until the disease has progressed. Fever is NOT always seen.

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GA/FL
#363608

HERE IT IS – The Coronavirus Guidance Page shown at yesterday’s White House Coronavirus Task Force press briefing.

PS – love the way VP Pence handles the press. Man is he ever good at it!!!

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Sylvia Avery
#363737

He does VERY well!

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michaelh
#363611

Your daily dose of panic from New York – doing their part to compete with California as America’s P3rs1a . . .
Empire Report (NY State)
*http://empirereportnewyork.com/
http://empirereportnewyork.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/andrew-2-e1583834561122.png
NY LEADS NATION IN CONFIRMED CASES
*https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/health-news/new-york-becomes-state-with-most-coronavirus-cases/ar-BB10X1f9
MTA: AVOID SUBWAYS!
*https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8092525/Uber-Lyft-price-surge-New-Yorkers-urged-avoid-subway.html
CUOMO INTRODUCES STATE HAND SANTIZER!
*https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-03-09/new-york-state-to-make-its-own-hand-sanitizer-cuomo-says
PORT AUTHORITY HEAD TESTS POSITIVE
*https://patch.com/new-york/new-york-city/port-authority-head-tests-positive-coronavirus
WATCH CUOMO MONDAY PRESS CONFERENCE
*http://empirereportnewyork.com/cuomo-press-conference-monday-3-9-2020/

http://empirereportnewyork.com/wp-content/themes/nyempirereport/images/logo.png
http://empirereportnewyork.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/andrew-3-e1583834636406.png
CUOMO CONFIRMS 142 CASES,,,
*https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/09/ny-gov-cuomo-identifies-new-rochelle-as-hot-spot-for-the-coronavirus-in-new-york.html
CUOMO: SCHOOLS MAY BE CLOSED FOR WEEKS…
*https://nypost.com/2020/03/09/coronavirus-in-ny-schools-may-be-closed-for-weeks-cuomo-says/
DE BLASIO: NYC QUARANTINE POSSIBLE…
*https://nypost.com/2020/03/09/de-blasio-says-a-citywide-quarantine-a-possibility-as-are-limited-school-closures/
NEW JERSEY CALLS STATE OF EMERGENCY…
*https://nypost.com/2020/03/09/new-jersey-declares-state-of-emergency-over-coronavirus/
NASSAU COUNTY CASES DOUBLE OVERNIGHT…
*https://nypost.com/2020/03/09/coronavirus-in-ny-confirmed-cases-in-nassau-county-nearly-double-overnight/
NYS NURSES CALL FOR TEMPORARY EMERGENCY STANDARDS…
*https://www.whec.com/news/nurses-coronavirus-safety-precautions/5668744/?cat=565
WATCH COLBERT Roast Trump, De Blasio Response…
*http://empirereportnewyork.com/watch-colbert-president-trump-golfs-while-markets-tumble-and-health-officials-rush-to-produce-coronavirus-tests/
Elon Musk thinks the coronavirus panic is ‘dumb.’ A million Twitter users liked his tweet…
*https://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/2020/03/08/coronavirus-tesla-elon-musk-dumb-panic-silicon-valley/4994870002/
Warren County calls 400 in relation to CVS pharmacist infected…
*https://www.timesunion.com/news/article/Warren-County-calls-400-to-notify-them-of-CVS-15117425.php
Erie County’s 100-plus quarantined residents asked to use private bathroom, keep temperature log…
*https://news.wbfo.org/post/erie-county-s-100-plus-quarantined-residents-asked-use-private-bathroom-keep-temperature-log
North country gets ready to deal with COVID-19…
*https://www.wwnytv.com/2020/03/09/north-country-gets-ready-deal-with-covid-/
Fordham, Princeton suspend classes…
*https://nypost.com/2020/03/09/fordham-princeton-suspend-in-person-classes-amid-coronavirus-outbreak/
St. John’s University Vacates Dorms…
*https://nypost.com/2020/03/10/st-johns-university-asks-students-to-vacate-dorms-amid-coronavirus-outbreak/
Skidmore suspends classes…
*https://www.news10.com/news/local-news/skidmore-suspends-classes-delays-return-to-campus-amid-covid-19-outbreak/
OFFICIAL: Transmission in NYC could last until September…
*https://nypost.com/2020/03/09/coronavirus-transmission-in-nyc-could-last-until-september-official-says/
NYTIMES: Took Me 3 ER Visits to Get a Coronavirus Test in NY…
*https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/09/opinion/coronavirus-testing-new-york.html
Katie Couric saw Rick Cotton Saturday before coronavirus diagnosis…
*https://pagesix.com/2020/03/09/katie-couric-saw-rick-cotton-on-saturday-before-coronavirus-diagnosis/
Central Park Conservancy president has coronavirus…
*https://nypost.com/2020/03/09/central-park-conservancy-prez-elizabeth-smith-has-coronavirus-nonprofit-says/
http://empirereportnewyork.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/shake-e1583830069658.png
WHITE HOUSE: TRUMP HAS NOT BEEN TESTED…
*https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/09/politics/donald-trump-coronavirus-test/index.html
Trump’s new Chief of Staff Meadows To Self-Quarantine After Potential Contact…
*https://www.huffpost.com/entry/mark-meadows-coronavirus_n_5e66ec53c5b68d6164595cf9
Congressmen exposed to coronavirus shook Trump’s hand, flew on Air Force One…
*https://nypost.com/2020/03/09/congressmen-exposed-to-coronavirus-shook-trumps-hand-flew-on-air-force-one/
CPAC chair who shook Trump’s hand had contact with coronavirus-stricken attendee…
*https://nypost.com/2020/03/09/cpac-chair-who-shook-trumps-hand-had-contact-with-coronavirus-stricken-attendee/
POLITICO: While market sinks, Trump tweets on Obama, ‘fake news’ and Dem primary…
*https://www.politico.com/news/2020/03/09/donald-trump-obama-fake-news-tweets-124320

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Dora
#363615

https://twitter.com/Michael_J_Matt/status/1237116032239767552

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bakocarl
#363621

Graphical depiction of most recent CDC WuFlu prediction:comment image

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GA/FL
#363623

Carl – that is not in any way accurate according to the task force briefings and statements I have heard!

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bakocarl
#363625

Just an experiment in the humor of exaggeration to represent the reaction of many toward the CDC’s use of old (24 Feb) flu data during a period of rapid spread to prematurely generate low mortality and predict an even lower mortality in the future as flu data becomes more complete.

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Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy
#363698

This is my plan!!! 😉

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GA/FL
#363622

FLORIDA Department of Health has published a Coronavirus Tool kit:
http://www.floridahealth.gov/diseases-and-conditions/COVID-19/covid19-toolkit.html

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GA/FL
#363624

HOPE PRESIDENT TRUMP makes the receipt of Federal Funds contingent upon CDC confirmed cases – because it’s mighty suspicious that the top 3 most radical most insolvent and lawless states have the highest number of ‘coronavirus’ cases.
https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6
The CDC has many fewer cases listed than the Johns Hopkins University site has listed. However, JHU is a very liberal institution.

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🦋🤸‍♀️🦋bflyjesusgrl🦋🤸‍♀️🦋
#363638

Not sure, but although they are letting the states do their own testing, are they making states forward info and possibly retest so they can verify?? That could explain lag. Also saw on CDC website where they said their numbers are no longer accurate because states are doing their own testing. But CDC IS mapping all cases and collecting data so they can surveil and predict community spread. Who knows? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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GA/FL
#363640

SOMEBODY needs to require submission of specimens to CDC for verification!!!
Can’t have faux coronavirus hoaxes like Pallywood and Fake Victims, Fake Indians, Fake Women in the Olympics, Fake News!

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Dora
#363626

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Concerned Virginian
#363678

Fantastic that the U.N. has closed to the public, etc.
Now, KICK THE U.N. OUT OF THE U.S.

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bakocarl
#363627

Terrifying insight of Italian doctor on the front lines
https://mobile.twitter.com/silviast9/status/1236933818654896129?s=20
Full text of translation here:
I may be repeating myself, but I want to fight this sense of security that I see outside of the epicenters, as if nothing was going to happen “here”. The media in Europe are reassuring, politicians are reassuring, while there’s little to be reassured of.
This is the English translation of a post of another ICU physician in Bergamo, Dr. Daniele Macchini. Read until the end “After much thought about whether and what to write about what is happening to us, I felt that silence was not responsible.
I will therefore try to convey to people far from our reality what we are living in Bergamo in these days of Covid-19 pandemic. I understand the need not to create panic, but when the message of the dangerousness of what is happening does not reach people I shudder.
I myself watched with some amazement the reorganization of the entire hospital in the past week, when our current enemy was still in the shadows: the wards slowly “emptied”, elective activitieswere interrupted, intensive care were freed up to create as many beds as possible.
All this rapid transformation brought an atmosphere of silence and surreal emptiness to the corridors of the hospital that we did not yet understand, waiting for a war that was yet to begin and that many (including me) were not so sure would ever come with such ferocity.
I still remember my night call a week ago when I was waiting for the results of a swab. When I think about it, my anxiety over one possible case seems almost ridiculous and unjustified, now that I’ve seen what’s happening. Well, the situation now is dramatic to say the least.
The war has literally exploded and battles are uninterrupted day and night. But now that need for beds has arrived in all its drama. One after the other the departments that had been emptied fill up at an impressive pace.
The boards with the names of the patients, of different colours depending on the operating unit, are now all red and instead of surgery you see the diagnosis, which is always the damned same: bilateral interstitial pneumonia.
Now, explain to me which flu virus causes such a rapid drama. [post continues comparing covid19 to flu, link below]. And while there are still people who boast of not being afraid by ignoring directions, protesting because their normal routine is”temporarily” put in crisis,
the epidemiological disaster is taking place. And there are no more surgeons, urologists, orthopedists, we are only doctors who suddenly become part of a single team to face this tsunami that has overwhelmed us.
Cases are multiplying, we arrive at a rate of 15-20 admissions per day all for the same reason. The results of the swabs now come one after the other: positive, positive, positive. Suddenly the E.R. is collapsing.
Reasons for the access always the same: fever and breathing difficulties, fever and cough, respiratory failure. Radiology reports always the same: bilateral interstitial pneumonia, bilateral interstitial pneumonia, bilateral interstitial pneumonia. All to be hospitalized.
Someone already to be intubated and go to intensive care. For others it’s too late… Every ventilator becomes like gold: those in operating theatres that have now suspended their non-urgent activity become intensive care places that did not exist before.
The staff is exhausted. I saw the tiredness on faces that didn’t know what it was despite the already exhausting workloads they had. I saw a solidarity of all of us, who never failed to go to our internist colleagues to ask “what can I do for you now?”
Doctors who move beds and transfer patients, who administer therapies instead of nurses. Nurses with tears in their eyes because we can’t save everyone, and the vital parameters of several patients at the same time reveal an already marked destiny.
There are no more shifts, no more hours. Social life is suspended for us. We no longer see our families for fear of infecting them. Some of us have already become infected despite the protocols.
Some of our colleagues who are infected also have infected relatives and some of their relatives are already struggling between life and death. So be patient, you can’t go to the theatre, museums or the gym. Try to have pity on the myriad of old people you could exterminate.
We just try to make ourselves useful. You should do the same: we influence the life and death of a few dozen people. You with yours, many more. Please share this message. We must spread the word to prevent what is happening here from happening all over Italy.”
I finish by saying that I really don’t understand this war on panic. The only reason I see is mask shortages, but there’s no mask on sale anymore. We don’t have a lot of studies, but is it panic really worse than neglect and carelessness during an epidemic of this sort?

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daughnworks247
#363677

Thank you for sharing BakoCarl. Most valuable and what we all fear most….. overloading our hospitals.
I’m guessing we have about 10-15 days before it hits the USA.
We know it’s coming.
Time to get ready, and pray for the doctors and nurses.

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Concerned Virginian
#363694

daughnworks247
I agree that there is likely a 10 – 15 day window in the U.S. before the SHTF.
A search on amazon today reveals that items like toilet paper, “Kleenex”, etc., are either in short supply or showing the “currently unavailable — we don’t know when or if the item will be back” message.
Ditto with certain types of freeze-dried and powdered foods, like freeze-dried vegetables.
Amazon Pantry will deliver — some products coming from Whole Foods, which Amazon now owns.
How long will deliveries be able to keep going once the SHTF in the U.S.? That’s an open question.
Point is — if households are in “mop-up” mode now, filling in gaps in their home supplies, they may be OK.
Households that are jus now starting to gather in supplies, making contingency plans for keeping children at home, etc., may well be “behind the 8-ball”….not that these can’t still be taken care of, but there may be a scramble….

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Concerned Virginian
#363683

Interstitial pneumonia apparently attacks every part of the lungs. One of the hallmarks is scarring of the walls and alveoli. Bilateral means both lungs are involved.
According to http://www.merckmanuals.com/professional/pulmonary-disorders/intersititial-lung-diseases-acute-interstitial-pneumonia
By the time the patient gets to the doctor with the dry cough, labored breathing, etc., the scarring has already been going on. At that point, over 60% of the affected patients will die. It appears that most people attacked by this disease are over the age of 40.
It would appear that interstitial pneumonia, BEFORE the Wuhan/SARS2 coronavirus, was quite rare and usually associated with either prolonged exposure to asbestos or some other chemical that was inhaled over a period of time; or was a co-condition with pulmonary fibrosis.

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Concerned Virginian
#363628

And from the Chiefo blog:
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-vatican/vatican-reports-first-case-of-corconavirus-in-vatican-city-idUSKBN20T13O
It appears that the person who is the first confirmed case of the Wuhan/SARS2 coronavirus in Vatican City ALSO attended a large conference several blocks from the Vatican. This was an international conference on AI. “Top executives” of MICROSOFT and IBM were there.

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smiley2
#363629

FLORIDA …..gasp !
BROWARD COUNTY now…at least 4 new cases…from a cruise ship docked at Port Everglades…plus in Lee County (Ft Myers)…I’m in Collier Co….wedged in between those 2 counties…just a matter of time..
Florida and California and NY State and Washington State now leading the way..
plus… first 3 cases now confirmed in OHIO …Cuyahoga County (Cleveland)…DeWine has declared a State of Emergency there…
no links.
if you insist, I’ll provide them.
I am a Germ Phobic even under the best of circumstances so I am now OCD ab everything…
ordering stuff to be delivered to me by local Publix…LOTS of Older People here along the Gulf Coast of which I am one…but the Immune System is paramount….hoping mime is intact !
imo, self quarantine is the ONLY way to reduce the community spread in all areas at risk from this crud…until a vaccine has been developed….
this is NOT “like the flu”…
it is a highly infectious fast-spreading coronavirus that kills…and it’s new…ppl have not yet built up a resistance to it (like The Flu)…
Be Prepared
it enters first and most easily thru the nose .

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smiley2
#363630

mime=mine

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GA/FL
#363639

That the Broward cases worked for the cruise line means every single FL case was connected to foreign travel and/or the cruise lines!
All but one are seniors.
http://www.floridahealth.gov/diseases-and-conditions/COVID-19/index.html

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smiley2
#363632

BROWARD COUNTY Declaring An Emergency due to 4 new cases…Port Everglades..
article link with video newscast…
https://www.nbcmiami.com/news/local/3-of-4-broward-coronavirus-cases-from-company-at-port-everglades/2203213/
=today..

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smiley2
#363633

more about that, here..
article link…
https://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/politics/fl-ne-port-everglades-coronavirus-cases-20200310-zxgdmbtshffg5hlibqzxp5kpuu-story.html
a very fluid situation developing there in Broward…some confusion …seems the 4 infected ppl worked for companies who service the various cruise lines and/or work at the docks there..
more about it all, at the link …plus other related links imbedded.
not good when this crud hits Miami area…

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bakocarl
#363634

Some hope . . .
A study showed that WuFlu likes 47˚F best and spreads slower and is more vulnerable at higher temperatures. Maybe a good, hot Florida summer will help your situation.

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smiley2
#363635

well…while I can appreciate what yr saying, to keep downplaying it as “flu-like” is way off-base…it’s the spreading of it and the way that will impact the economies affected by it that matters, imo…
it is a time machine …
here is a good article on that, BTW…worth the read…
https://www.zerohedge.com/health/virus-time-machine?utm_campaign=&utm_content=ZeroHedge%3A+The+Durden+Dispatch&utm_medium=email&utm_source=zh_newsletter
..and, as for the UV sunlight theories, that’s all well and good…maybe…but keep in mind : the germs aren’t sitting on surfaces that are out in that sunlight getting those UV rays at 90 degrees in the Florida summer …those germs are inside in air-conditioning under artificial light being passed around like mints…
yes…we <i.hope for the best …but I try to avoid magical thinging when the reality on the germ-infested ground says something very very different.

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smiley2
#363636

wow…love those nerve-wracked typos !
see if you can find them, lol….sheesh.
sorry ab that. 🙂

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🦋🤸‍♀️🦋bflyjesusgrl🦋🤸‍♀️🦋
#363637

Nothing like headline grabbing hysteria!!
Then this…..
New York National Guard troops have already been dispatched to a health department command post in New Rochelle “to assist with the outbreak,” according to a slide he presented at a news briefing.
“We have moved from a containment strategy to more of a mitigation strategy,” NY state Health Commissioner Dr. Howard Zucker said.
Cuomo stressed that the state isn’t restricting people from leaving the area. “You’re not containing people, it’s facilities. Somebody who lives in that containment area could be in this room today. There’s nothing you can do about that,” he said.
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/10/new-york-gov-cuomo-to-deploy-national-guard-to-new-rochelle-establishes-containment-center-to-stem-coronavirus.html

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kalbokalbs
#363657

Maybe Fredo’s brother, Andrew Cuomo the guv, has plans to save the Country…run for President when Too Slow Joe bails out.

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Gail Combs
#363641

VP Pence tweeted these chartscomment imagecomment image

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GA/FL
#363642

OK – it’s time for SUSPICIOUS CAT!
Thanks to Smiley – We now know that every Florida coronavirus case, except the Manatee county case, has now been connected to foreign travel or worked for the cruise lines.
The 5 Broward cases worked for a company that serviced the cruise lines. http://www.floridahealth.gov/diseases-and-conditions/COVID-19/index.html
Manatee county is near Tampa bay – it is likely there is a connection to the cruise lines with that person also.
Links:
https://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/politics/fl-ne-port-everglades-coronavirus-cases-20200310-zxgdmbtshffg5hlibqzxp5kpuu-story.html
https://www.nbcmiami.com/news/local/3-of-4-broward-coronavirus-cases-from-company-at-port-everglades/2203213/
Suspicious Cat is wondering about the rest of the US cases.
How many other State’s cases are connected to foreign travel or cruise ships?
One cruise ship holds 2000-7000 people.
8 CRUISE SHIPS have been found with infected/exposed passengers – https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_coronavirus_outbreak_on_cruise_ships
Cruise ships could and maybe should be considered potential bioweapon battle groups.

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kalbokalbs
#363656

Cruise ships should NOT be allowed to sail. Cancel cruises for sixty days. Cruise ships ARE a big problem. IF not the biggest problem. IMO.

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Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy
#363700

We have neighbors who fell for the ridiculously low prices. Two sets, actually. Very much hoping that they get quarantined with luxury accommodations, since I suspect that getting 14 extra days for free was part of their plan! 😉

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Sylvia Avery
#363738

I don’t have a link to offer, but my brother read today that most of Washington State’s cases connect back to someone traveling to China and returned to Washington State, ill. Came through SeaTac airport, took a shuttle bus home. Went to an ER in one city, treated and released. Hospitalized in a different city shortly thereafter.

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GA/FL
#363744

From what I read – the nursing home was one of the centers of infection and had the most deaths – was traced someone age 35 who traveled to Wuhan visited there and infected one or more the patients and it spread.

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Sylvia Avery
#363745

Yes, that’s what I heard too.

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daughnworks247
#363758

I use to live about a mile south of the entrance to Port Everglades, worked in downtown Ft Laud for a while.
In general, people who work on cruise ships are young and foreign, often having different cultural mannerisms to hygiene and in types of food they eat and how they prepare it.
In the USA, we grew up in a world with PSA’s on afternoon television from Smokey the Bear and the Crying Indian. As kids, our mom’s insisted on stopping at Stuckey’s with the blue roof, while traveling, because they had the cleanest restrooms….. you just thought it was because we wanted the burgers and pecan rolls. Gosh, I’ll never forget my first Mexican road trip as a teenager. That first restroom was NOTHING like Stuckey’s.
And while It would be antithetical to someone like me to throw a Burger King trash bag out of a moving car……… I was mortified when I saw recent immigrant families on a Florida beach leave their spot….. and not take their trash with them….. didn’t even think about it. Recent immigrants come from countries who have different attitudes to pollution….. or bathing….. or going to the bathroom.
And even if the cruise industry has rigorous training………. they also have historic turnover.
Combined with crew quarters on a cruise ship, which are often spartan and small, the entire situation is a perfect recipe for a pathogen……….. both through air born transmission and/or food born illness.

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GA/FL
#363760

Cruise ships are perfect vehicles for intentional delivery of pathogens, drugs and illegals.

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GA/FL
#363645

WELL, Y’ALL…. here’s a conversation on a topic we haven’t covered…. the refrigerator being the proper temperature to preserve the virus:
Lisa Baginski@baginski_lisa
Mar 8
Replying to @PalliThordarson
I wonders the grocery store where we get things that have a moist surface like a milk carton or a salad. Can those surfaces carry the virus even into our refrigerators?
Mario Kovac@kova_mario
Mar 8
Yes
Wojtek Gałązka@GaWojtek
Mar 9
Freezing the virus destroys its structure so it will no longer be active anyway.
Mario Kovac@kova_mario
Mar 9
Actually, studies have shown that the ideal conditions to keep the closely related SARS virus viable for up to 28 days were 4 degrees C at 20% relative humidity. Last time I checked that would be the environment of a refrigerator.
Wojtek Gałązka@GaWojtek
Mar 9
This is above water freezing point. What happens at -4 C degree when water turns into ice?
Mario Kovac@kova_mario
Mar 9
I haven’t seen any data that shows the affect of sub zero temperatures on virus viability. Long term storage is done at cryogenic levels, so well I don’t know.
Wojtek Gałązka @GaWojtek
Mar 9
Hmm, the bad news is that a kitchen fridge cannot destroy the virus.
Mario Kovac @kova_mario
Mar 9
No, but the good news is that viruses are loosely held together by lipids and are easily disassembled by many methods soap being the cheapest and easiest to deploy. Just give things a spritz with soapy water.

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Gail Combs
#363666

Flu Viruses like cold best:
https://www.nih.gov/news-events/nih-research-matters/flu-virus-fortified-colder-weather
Wuhan Corona Virus also has this lipid outer membrane. That is why washing with soap works so well.

…The outer membrane of the influenza virus is made chiefly of molecules known as lipids. Lipids—which include oils, fats, waxes and cholesterol—don’t mix with water. The NIH researchers used a sophisticated technique called magic angle spinning nuclear magnetic resonance, which was developed and previously tested in NIAAA’s laboratories, to investigate how the virus’s outer membrane responds to variations in temperature. Their findings were published online on March 2, 2008, in Nature Chemical Biology.
The researchers discovered that at temperatures slightly above freezing and below, the virus’s lipid covering solidified into a gel. At about 70 degrees Fahrenheit, much of the lipid was still in gel form. At warmer temperatures, however, the gel melts to a liquid phase. At temperatures of about 105 degrees and higher, the coat was all in liquid form.
The virus’s rubbery outer coat, the researchers believe, allows it to withstand cooler temperatures and travel from person to person. In the respiratory tract, the body’s warmth causes the covering to melt so that the virus can infect the cells of its new host….

I saw another paper about viruses surviving over long times when frozen

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GA/FL
#363667

“I saw another paper about viruses surviving over long times when frozen” – now that is scary!
Reminds me of those movies where frozen creatures that came to life when uncovered by a thousand years of ice….

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Gail Combs
#363669

Yeah, like the Spanish Flu from the bodies unearthed in Alaska…

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GA/FL
#363672

O.M.G. – are you serious?

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Gail Combs
#363679

YES!!!
Dogged scientist unearthed Alaska victims of horrific flu pandemic to help pinpoint cause
“…The revival of the virus responsible for the 1918 Spanish flu, the most devastating epidemic in world that left up to 40 million dead, was the end of a long journey for Johan Hultin. Hultin, 90, twice retrieved samples of the virus from the lungs of flu victims preserved by permafrost in an Alaska village. Molecular pathologists used the latter of those samples to reconstruct the virus and discover that it jumped from birds to humans….”
>>>>>>>>>>>
I now know a heck of a lot more about viruses then I ever wanted to. 🙄

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Sadie Slays
#363647

It seems like they’re using this “pandemic” as an excuse to test how far they can push the public.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/10/us/coronavirus-nursing-homes-washington-seattle.html

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Gail Combs
#363682

So you would rather see several hundred or several thousand more retirees dead?

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Sadie Slays
#363686

If this was truly about “saving lives,” then they would have these security measures every year during flu season, which has killed tens of thousands more elderly Americans this season than the WuFlu. No, this is about testing how far they can disrupt, control, and demoralize the public with nothing more than media fear-mongering. “Sorry Johhny, grandma has to die alone because someone in a different state tested positive for coronavirus.” “Sorry Mary, you can’t visit your daughter for weeks until this corona stuff calms down. Better hope the foreign nursing staff doesn’t neglect her too much until then!”
And people just buy this injustice like sheep because OMG CORONAVIRUS. It reminds me of when the PATRIOT ACT all over again. We must give up all of our rights and liberty because of the big bad scary thing on TV!!! Handing over control will save lives!!!

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Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy
#363690

I love that both of you are pushing both ends of the argument, because both of you are right, IMO.
I am acutely aware of this BECAUSE OF NURSING HOME VISITS. I spend time every week with people who this stuff would likely kill at a total rate of 50% by my estimation. This included veterans of every war back to WWII.
Assuming we’re not getting lies about lethality from Washington, then this stuff is very deadly once it gets inside a nursing home.
Based on the numbers, I have a double-digit chance of dying myself. My wife, similar.
We always keep the flu out of nursing homes, but the fact is that those people get the flu vaccine as part of their contract, and flu epidemics generally don’t move fast through nursing homes, even in bad years.
But yeah – how much disruption are we going to tolerate? An excellent question. There MUST be pushback for REGULAR CITIZENS.
I will tell you this – there was a bad flu season LAST WINTER (2018-2019) locally, and they closed the same nursing home to outsiders for a couple of weeks for FLU at the height of the local epidemic. This is not unprecedented.
I felt somewhat put off that I could not visit during that time, but all the people I know there lived. None got the flu.

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Gail Combs
#363706

I think Wolfie, the problem is WE DO NOT HAVE DATA and therefore can not make reasonable decisions.
And yes this is a BAD flu season. #2 for hospitalizations in the last decade:
https://www.cdc.gov/flu/weekly/#S9
If Nancy Messonnier had gotten off her ass and done her JOB, we would be able to determine the risks, but to quote Dear Nancy M. from her phone interview with the media on Feb 21st:
”We obviously would not want to use anything but the most perfect possible kits, since we’re making determinations about whether people have COVID-19 or not. So that is still where we are.” She also told the media they are having to REFORMULATE the reagent in the test kits and are waiting on the FDA to make sure the tests are ‘PERFECT’
https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2020/t0221-cdc-telebriefing-covid-19.html
It was not until VP Pence took over from that witch, that test kits finally became available in any quantity.
So Hubby and I are in our 70s. (Hubby is 77) We have gigs booked for birthday parties and church festivals in NC coming up in the next few weeks and we are arguing about whether or not to cancel.
To say Nancy Messonnier is among my least liked people right now is an understatement.
I WANT THE DATA DARN IT! Not the pablum that the CDC is putting out.

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Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy
#363713

I wish you the best and will pray for your protection! Yes – you need to be concerned. Keep an eye on local spread, IMO. That will be a good guide as to how much asymptomatic carrier risk there is in your area.

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kalbokalbs
#363714

“…WE DO NOT HAVE DATA and therefore can not make reasonable decisions.”
^^^ THIS, I’ll bet is the first thing President Trump, VP Pence and a few others latched onto a week or so ago. Totally FUBAR what CDC handed President Trump…America. Totally inept. 100% did not need to be this way. Accountability will have to wait until Corona is US subsides.
It is the same thing we all have been looking for. Really difficult to make informed decisions without reliable data. ChiCom numbers have been and are BS since this goat rope started. (Not picking on goats Gail 😉
Usable sufficient US data, which is what we really need is probably six to ten days out, I’d guess. Not a statistician. Tests are being done. Data has to be gathered to analyze, forecast likely way ahead… Ya’ll know this a hell of a lot better than I. So frustrating.

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GA/FL
#363650

White House coronavirus task force briefing – 5:30 pm
White House – *

Fox 10 – *

Golden State – *

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kalbokalbs
#363715

Watched a replay of the presser. President Trump, VP Pence are doing a great job. So much of the situation sucks so badly. Good to see clear headed leadership forging a way ahead. Generating solutions, sane simple information in a calm manner.

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Sylvia Avery
#363739

I agree. I can’t help but be impressed. Knowledgeable people doing their best. We are truly blessed.

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kea
#363653

So I want to Aldi today. They have TP. Everyone was commenting on how ridiculous it was this run on TP. One person said Cosco was sold out.
Most inline agreed this is hysteria.
There were two ladies who had on masks. Clearly because OMG we trust the MSM. Everyone was just giving them this look of really? They had 3 carts full of items aka food, water (?) and TP.
At target also saw one person with a mask.
So you can see who’s buying into this hype and who isn’t.

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Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy
#363702

Excellent report!!!
Agreed about the hysteria, and very glad people are seeing it. It means we’re honing in on the REALITY.
We have to understand that we don’t all have the same situation.
I will not sneer at a 70-year-old with a mask, or a caregiver or child of one. This stuff is Russian roulette with 2 bullets for low 70s. One empty for low 90s. Fully loaded for all WWII vets.
Guaranteed 4 fresh SCOTUS vacancies for Trump, IMO, if we’re not careful. Pelosi is a goner if she gets it.
We have not won on this unless RBG dodges the bullet!!! Isolation of the vulnerable from asymptomatic carriers is key!

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Gail Combs
#363710

It is the asymptomatic carriers that are the big problem. We have zero idea of how contagious they are but that Pakistani ASS HOLE in Italy gives you a pretty good idea as does the Church Lady in South Korea.
Now we are coming into the spring sneezing season (allergies) and that is going to make everything that much worse.
>>>>
And yes I can see where Sadie is coming from. The Commies are going to push the limits with this crisis as they do with all the others.comment image

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Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy
#363711

Yup. I think it’s important to PUSH BACK so that SECURITY STATE BULLSHIT doesn’t take. We want the “nanny” stuff to wrap tightly around those at risk, IMO, meaning OLD PEOPLE.
By focusing our efforts to mitigate risk on THEM, we insure God’s protection, but that is a more subtle argument for a different time. Just think of them right now and we will all be OK.

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kea
#363654

Just got this email from target:
A Note to Our Guests About the Coronavirus from CEO Brian Cornell
Over the past few days, so many of you have been in our stores and on our website stocking up on all the essential things you need to keep your families healthy and safe.
I want you to know that your health and safety is our first priority, too.
We’ve always taken great pride in our clean and well-run stores, and we know this is more important than ever right now. On top of our daily cleaning procedures, we’re adding hours to each store’s payroll to make our routines even more rigorous. This means more time will be spent cleaning our stores, including cleaning surfaces like checklanes and touchscreens at least every 30 minutes. Like many others, we’re taking guidance from the CDC, which recommends regular cleaning as one of the most important preventive measures we can take. And, out of an abundance of caution, we’ve temporarily stopped food sampling in our stores.
We’re also staffing up our teams to support in-demand services like Order Pickup and Drive Up.
And of course, we’re committed to taking care of our team. For weeks, we’ve provided them with up-to-the-moment guidance and information so they can keep themselves and their families safe. We’re encouraging sick team members to stay home and asking our teams to travel only if it’s business critical. And, to help support our team in real-time, we’ve set up a forum where we’re sharing information and taking questions 24/7.
Speaking of our team, they are working around the clock to make sure that the products you want are available when you need them. As demand for cleaning products, medicine, pantry stock-up items and more remains high, we’re sending more products to our stores as quickly as possible. And this weekend, we started to limit the number of key items per purchase, which will allow more guests to get what they need.
At the center of our company’s purpose is a commitment to help all families, and it’s something we take to heart in good times and bad. This is why we’ll be working hard to keep our stores open so we can be there to support you and your families.
Brian Cornell

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kea
#363655

And now bestbuy? Really where’s the worry about the FLU?
To our customers,
Like so many of you, we have spent the last several days and weeks learning about the coronavirus (COVID-19) and how it is impacting our world. For Best Buy, that means understanding how it affects our employees, customers and communities, and then making the necessary adjustments to our work and operations.
We have one simple objective that guides us: keeping you and our employees safe. This has been at the center of our conversations every step of the way. With that in mind, we have made several moves in our business in response to the threat of the coronavirus.
We have ramped up cleaning services at our stores and are adding hand sanitizer at the front entrances and at all cash registers. Sanitizing wipes are near workstations and counters so that employees can keep them continuously cleaned.
We are closely following the Centers for Disease Control’s (CDC) guidelines and recommendations on the steps we can take to help prevent the spread of the virus. We have shared specific instructions with our employees on the importance of washing their hands and staying home if they feel sick or are returning from an area of the world identified as posing a coronavirus-related risk. Per CDC recommendations, we will ask employees who have traveled to such locations or have been exposed to others who have traveled to such locations to self-quarantine for 14 days.
A strict travel policy for our employees is in place, and we have canceled meetings with large gatherings, again to do what we can to help prevent the spread of the illness.
If you don’t feel well, or choose not to visit one of our stores, of course we are ready to serve you at BestBuy.com or through the Best Buy app.
We know that many of you have scheduled in-home consultations, deliveries, installations or repairs with us. If you have any concerns, we will be happy to partner with you to reschedule your appointment at no additional cost. Simply call 1‑888‑BEST‑BUY, and we will take care of it. For in-home consultations, we offer options for phone or video conversations with our experts if you so choose.
We will continue to closely monitor the situation and do all we can to protect you and our employees.
Thank you

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GA/FL
#363661

Just hope all this CLEANLINESS will reach Nancy Pelosi, Maxine Waters and California Governor Newsom…. to tackle the very real disease and sanitation problem in California – where Coronavirus is only one of many health problems – they have rats, poop and many 3rd world diseases!!!

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Gail Combs
#363681

AND lots of Chinese traveling back and forth between China and the USA…
Nasty Piglosi toured Chinatown in San franFeces around 2/24/2020 We should know if she contracted a disease within the next few days.
https://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2020/02/24/coronavirus-speaker-house-nancy-pelosi-tours-san-franciscos-chinatown/

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GA/FL
#363685

The 4 states with the most cases are EXTREME LEFT SANCTUARY STATES – WA, NY, CA and now MA has moved ahead.
Next come the 2 Princess CRUISE SHIPS!
That has to tell us something!

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daughnworks247
#363663

Per Alex Azar this morning on War Room Pandemic, the million + tests which have gone out are being supplied by private manufacturers and there is no way to measure results BACK at the CDC or some national entity like NIH.
This is the exact reason the Obama Admin took such drastic protocols to restrict testing to CDC only during the Ebola crisis. It did make sense.
Sec AZAR indicated the Task Force was working hard to work out a “reporting mechanism”.
We have to have the statistics to protect citizens.
Yet, with this virus, we have media spinning out of control, and a great amount of disinformation. Obviously, waiting 2 days for a CDC test was not good enough and the tests needed to be closer to the communities. Okay fine, tests created and distributed….. but the reporting mechanism stinks.
Of course, the media still is giving people the impression if they watch “Contagion” on a Friday night, they can wake up on Saturday morning, wander into a Medi-Lab, and get a free China Virus Test.
The media makes this problem so much worse.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-0IQuUivhrQ

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kalbokalbs
#363664

Yesterday, I heard, don’t have link/reference, that positives would be reported to CDC. Then and now, this is not enough. Also need negatives. Along with details such as test location, age, gender…
Rather sure CDC will mandate this. Thinking CDC knows the data need is real, and working to that reality. Process will be created, format, data fields, transmission…

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Gail Combs
#363684

Actually the protocols are already in place and have been FOR YEARS.
Food Borne disease was reported to the CDC. Just take that protocol and do a quick modification.
Heck the CDC ALREADY has a Flu reporting system.comment image
https://www.cdc.gov/flu/weekly/#S8

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kalbokalbs
#363689

Thanks.

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Gail Combs
#363668

DECONTAMINATING Fresh fruits and veggies.
This is mandated in the USA. Even road side farm stands use this. (I have talked to them and that is how I knew to look for the information.)
“…Ohio State University, USA, instructs to soak produce for 15-20 minutes in a chlorine bleach solution. The amount of bleach to add to water depends on the percentage of chlorine it contains. For 2% chlorine, use 3/4 tablespoon per quart of water. For 4% chlorine, use 1 teaspoon per quart of water. For 6% chlorine, use 1/2 teaspoon per quart of water. Rinse thoroughly with safe drinking water….”
https://kathleeniscookinginmexico.wordpress.com/2010/05/24/how-to-clean-and-disinfect-fruits-and-vegetables-in-mexico/
ACTUAL:

Wash Water
Preventing microbial contamination of water is preferred over corrective actions after contamination has occurred. However, antimicrobial chemicals, such as chlorine, in processing water are useful in reducing microbial build-up in water and may reduce the number of microbial organisms. The effectiveness of an antimicrobial agent depends on water temperature, acidity (pH), contact time, resistance of pathogens, and the nature of the fruit or vegetable surface. Chlorine is commonly added to water for post-harvest treatment of fresh produce, with a contact time of 1–2 minutes. Considering that the best compromise of activity and stability of chlorine is achieved by maintaining a water pH between 6.5–7.5, wash water should be chlorinated to levels between 50 ppm to 500 ppm depending on the sensitivity of each fruit and vegetable crop. (See http://www.gaps.cornell.edu.) Tools and equipment having contact with fresh produce should be sanitized with a 200 ppm total chlorine solution just prior to start-up and periodically during the day. Note that one tablespoon of household bleach (5.25%) in one gallon of water is equivalent to 200 ppm chlorine (6)….
https://ohioline.osu.edu/factsheet/ANR-25

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GA/FL
#363671

Today – 3/10/20 – WH coronavirus task force briefing:

VP Pence is the best twitter feed for all things regarding this task force.

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GA/FL
#363676

VP MP is completely unflappable. He is so quick and smooth and focused – that he slips by the Press keeps on point and delivers his message with precision every time. I’ve never seen anything like it.
I already feel sorry for whomever old Biden or old Bernie pick for Democrat VP.

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GA/FL
#363674

WELL, Y’ALL – I was reading the ingredients on the Elderberry syrup tonic – and one of them was an old South favorite – kudzu!
When I was growing up, I used to think the whole of the State of GA would eventually be covered with it. Folks tried burning it with flame throwers, flammable liquids, nothing would stop its Sherman-like march across GA.
Southern Living once touted Fried Kudzu Leaves as a substitute for potato chips (it is not!) – I think they were trying/hoping to win our battle with kudzu.

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GA/FL
#363675

Continued….
So now, I guess they think all the Southerners and seniors are going to drink up all the kudzu in our coronavirus immune system tonics and that will stop it! Hah!

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Gail Combs
#363691

Just turn the cows and goats loose.comment image

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GA/FL
#363680

GOOD NEWS – there were no new FL coronavirus cases confirmed today – total still 15! http://www.floridahealth.gov/diseases-and-conditions/COVID-19/index.html
As we noted earlier – all the cases except the Manatee county near Tampa bay – were connected to foreign travel or cruise ships. Likely that one was also connected.
As Scarlett O’Hara said, “Tomorrow is another day.”

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Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy
#363692

Containment (or is it decontainment? maybe exclusion?) is WORKING!!!

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cthulhu
#363687

Went out to grab some Chick-fil-A for dinner from their drive-through. Got home, unpacked it — and they now include Purell wipes with your order.

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Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy
#363703

Nice!

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bakocarl
#363708

But . . . doesn’t Purell make the chicken taste kinda . . . strange?

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GA/FL
#363695

WHAT DO Y’ALL THINK ABOUT THIS IDEA?

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Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy
#363704

Very interesting!!!

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GA/FL
#363705

Good way to clean out all those illegals….heheheh.

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Gail Combs
#363712

Notice the dates. KILLED in 2010 by OH!Bummer…
And yes a very good idea considering the lack of ICU beds in the USA.comment image

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michaelh
#363717

Lack of beds also a direct side effect of Obamacare. All new hospital construction in the U.S. ceased for YEARS.

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GA/FL
#363709

The Johns Hopkins virus map site is malfunctioning again tonight.
https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6

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michaelh
#363716

This evening’s BURST OF PANIC from New York, courtesy of . . .
Empire Report (NY State)
*http://empirereportnewyork.com/
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CUOMO DEPLOYS NATIONAL GUARD
*https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/10/new-york-gov-cuomo-to-deploy-national-guard-to-new-rochelle-establishes-containment-center-to-stem-coronavirus.html
WATCH CUOMO PRESS CONFERENCE
*http://empirereportnewyork.com/watch-live-new-york-gov-cuomo-provides-update-on-coronavirus-response-cases-in-the-state/
*

CUOMO CONFIRMS 173 CASES
*https://www.rochesterfirst.com/coronavirus/how-many-confirmed-cases-coronavirus-covid-19-new-york-state-health-covernor-cuomo-outbreak-virus-worldwide-travel-concern-masks/
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SYRACUSE: NO MORE CLASSES…
*https://www.syracuse.com/coronavirus/2020/03/syracuse-university-will-shift-classes-online-due-to-coronavirus-concerns.html
CORNELL: NO MORE CLASSES…
*https://statements.cornell.edu/2020/20200310-coronavirus-update.cfm
RUTGERS: NO MORE CLASSES…
*https://nypost.com/2020/03/10/rutgers-cancels-classes-tells-students-to-leave-campus-due-to-coronavirus-fears/
DE BLASIO: NYC CASES COMING IN SO INTENSELY NOW…
*https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/10/nyc-coronavirus-cases-are-coming-in-so-intensely-now-mayor-de-blasio-says.html
CHINESE OFFICIALS: VACCINE COULD BE READY NEXT MONTH…
*https://nypost.com/2020/03/10/coronavirus-vaccine-could-be-ready-by-april-chinese-officials-say/
TRUMP: ‘Just stay calm. It will go away’…
*https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8097025/Just-stay-calm-away-Donald-Trump-tries-reassure-Americans-coronavirus.html
Trump pitched 0% payroll tax rate for the rest of the year, White House official says…
*https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/10/trump-pitched-0percent-payroll-tax-rate-for-the-rest-of-this-year-white-house-officials-say.html
Nassau County cases include school bus drivers…
*https://nypost.com/2020/03/10/nassau-county-coronavirus-cases-include-school-bus-drivers/
NY high school games postponed…
*https://nypost.com/2020/03/10/new-york-high-school-games-postponed-over-coronavirus-concerns/
Yonkers Raceway closes after horse trainer identified as NJ coronavirus death…
*https://nypost.com/2020/03/10/yonkers-raceway-closes-after-horse-trainer-identified-as-nj-coronavirus-death/
Barclays reveals coronavirus case on NYC trading floor…
*https://nypost.com/2020/03/10/barclays-reveals-coronavirus-case-on-new-york-trading-floor/
MTA: AVOID SUBWAYS!…
*https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8092525/Uber-Lyft-price-surge-New-Yorkers-urged-avoid-subway.html
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Trump walks away while asked if he has been tested for coronavirus…
*https://www.newzjunky.com/trump-walks-away-while-asked-if-he-has-been-tested-for-coronavirus/
De Blasio claims Biden hasn’t been vetted…
*https://www.politico.com/states/new-york/city-hall/whiteboard/2020/03/10/de-blasio-claims-biden-hasnt-been-vetted-1266300
NYTIMES: Bloomberg’s Job Security Promises Are Falling Through, Campaign Workers Say..
*https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/10/us/politics/bloomberg-campaign-staff.html

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michaelh
#363718

Daughn – Please Add the following, WAY UP AT THE TOP:
http://coronavirus.gov/

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daughnworks247
#363749

Agreed

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Gail Combs
#363719

OH NO!
I was getting worried and was planning to ask this group to pray for Larry Ledwick tomorrow morning.

David Peterson says:
10 March 2020 at 9:18 pm
Not sure if this is the right way to post this but I couldn’t figure out how to contact the moderator of this wordpress directly.
Larry Ledwick, an active member of this blog who was a good friend of mine, and shared many links from here with me, has passed away.
I know he enjoyed chatting with all of you frequently, and I am going to miss him a lot. I can follow up to this post if anyone is interested. Sorry if this was not the correct place to post this.
https://chiefio.wordpress.com/2020/03/08/7-march-2020-covid-19-california-quarantine-exponential-math/#comment-126369

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Gail Combs
#363720

Larry L. was the source of much of the early information I posted here on the first Corona virus threads.
I do not think E.M. would mind if we express our appreciation for this wonderful man.
https://chiefio.wordpress.com/2020/03/08/7-march-2020-covid-19-california-quarantine-exponential-math/#comment-126380

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Sylvia Avery
#363740

So sorry to read this. He contributed a lot. 🙏

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daughnworks247
#363751

Such a shame…… great mind.

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michaelh
#363722

Italian doctor at heart of illness shares chilling coronavirus thoughts
By Yaron SteinbuchMarch 10, 2020 | 8:02am
https://nypost.com/2020/03/10/italian-doctor-at-heart-of-illness-shares-chilling-coronavirus-thoughts/

An Italian doctor at the heart of the coronavirus outbreak that has placed the country under lockdown has painted a grim picture of the deadly illness — likening it to a “tsunami that has swept us all.”
Dr. Daniele Macchini, who works at the Humanitas Gavazzeni hospital in the northern city of Bergamo, warned in a lengthy post on Facebook about the dangers of complacency in the relentless war against the insidious virus.
Italy, where more than 460 people have been killed and 9,172 others infected by the virus, has imposed unprecedented national restrictions on its 60 million inhabitants.
“After much thought about whether and what to write about what is happening to us, I felt that silence was not responsible,” Macchini wrote in his post, as translated by Dr. Silvia Stringhini, an epidemiologist and researcher at the Geneva University’s Institute of Global Health.
“I will therefore try to convey to people far from our reality what we are living in Bergamo in these days of Covid-19 pandemic. I understand the need not to create panic, but when the message of the dangerousness of what is happening does not reach people I shudder,” he said.
In Bergamo, a city of about 122,000 some 30 miles northeast of Milan, 1,245 people have been diagnosed with the coronavirus in one of the country’s worst-affected areas.
“I myself watched with some amazement the reorganization of the entire hospital in the past week, when our current enemy was still in the shadows: the wards slowly ’emptied,’ elective activities were interrupted,” he continued in the chilling post, which was shared more than 29,000 times.
“All this rapid transformation brought an atmosphere of silence and surreal emptiness to the corridors of the hospital that we did not yet understand, waiting for a war that was yet to begin and that many (including me) were not so sure would ever come with such ferocity,” he said.
“I still remember my night call a week ago when I was waiting for the results of a swab. When I think about it, my anxiety over one possible case seems almost ridiculous and unjustified, now that I’ve seen what’s happening. Well, the situation now is dramatic to say the least,” Macchini added.comment image
“The war has literally exploded and battles are uninterrupted day and night. But now that need for beds has arrived in all its drama. One after the other the departments that had been emptied fill up at an impressive pace.
“The boards with the names of the patients, of different colors depending on the operating unit, are now all red and instead of surgery you see the diagnosis, which is always the damned same: bilateral interstitial pneumonia.”
The doctor urged people not to describe Covid-19 as a bad case of the flu.
“Now, explain to me which flu virus causes such a rapid drama. … And while there are still people who boast of not being afraid by ignoring directions, protesting because their normal routine is ‘temporarily’ put in crisis, the epidemiological disaster is taking place,” he said.
“And there are no more surgeons, urologists, orthopedists, we are only doctors who suddenly become part of a single team to face this tsunami that has overwhelmed us.
“Cases are multiplying, we arrive at a rate of 15-20 admissions per day all for the same reason. The results of the swabs now come one after the other: positive, positive, positive. Suddenly the E.R. is collapsing.”
Describing every available ventilator as “gold,” Macchini said the doctors and nurses working at his side are exhausted.
“I saw the tiredness on faces that didn’t know what it was despite the already exhausting workloads they had. I saw a solidarity of all of us who never failed to go to our internist colleagues to ask, ‘What can I do for you now?’
“Doctors who move beds and transfer patients, who administer therapies instead of nurses. Nurses with tears in their eyes because we can’t save everyone, and the vital parameters of several patients at the same time reveal an already marked destiny.
“There are no more shifts, no more hours. Social life is suspended for us. We no longer see our families for fear of infecting them. Some of us have already become infected despite the protocols,” he said.
Macchini noted that some of his colleagues have become infected themselves and then infected their relatives who “are already struggling between life and death.”
“So be patient, you can’t go to the theater, museums or the gym. Try to have pity on the myriad of old people you could exterminate,” he said.
“I finish by saying that I really don’t understand this war on panic. The only reason I see is mask shortages, but there’s no mask on sale anymore. We don’t have a lot of studies, but is panic really worse than neglect and carelessness during an epidemic of this sort?”
Meanwhile, another doctor in Bergamo told the newspaper Corriere della Sera that doctors are forced to choose whom to treat on the basis of their chances of survival.
“We can’t attempt miracles. It’s the reality,” anesthesiologist Christian Salaroli said, according to Sky News.

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#363723

Family says they bought 12-year supply of toilet paper by accident amid coronavirus scare
Joshua Bote, USA TODAY
Published 6:36 a.m. ET March 10, 2020 | Updated 10:49 a.m. ET March 10, 2020
https://www.freep.com/story/news/education/2020/03/10/coronavirus-australia-family-buys-12-year-supply-toilet-paper/4985534002/

Maybe you’ve stocked up on toilet paper, given concerns of coronavirus and the buying frenzy that has ensued as a result.
An Australian woman took the stockpiling to new heights by accident – purchasing a 12-year supply of the necessity and turning herself into a self-proclaimed toilet paper queen in the process.
Haidee Janetzki, who lives in the city of Toowoomba, about 80 miles west of Brisbane, purchased 2,304 rolls of toilet paper from the online service Who Gives a Crap, reported Reuters and the Australian Broadcasting Co.
The Janetzkis typically order 48 rolls every three months, but they bungled the order after switching to a new service.
She mistakenly ordered 48 boxes of the company’s toilet paper, which comes in 48-roll boxes. That amounted to over $2,000 of the stuff.
This was in February, she told the Australian Broadcasting Co., a few weeks before the country was impacted by coronavirus concerns.
She and her husband Chris, naturally, stacked all these boxes up in their garage to make a TP throne, which they showed on Facebook.

Australia is facing a toilet paper shortage – similar to the one some Americans are now facing – due to panic buying induced by coronavirus fears.
“I’m relieved my friends and family don’t have to worry about it,” Haidee told Reuters.
Chris, on the other hand, doesn’t get the non-accidental kind of toilet paper hoarding: “I couldn’t believe that people have been mass-buying toilet paper like that,” he told ABC.
After their stunt, reported Reuters, the Janetzkis plan on selling their leftovers in a fundraiser for the same price they originally purchased them. The proceeds will go to their daughter’s school.
Who Gives a Crap refunded the shipping cost for the boxes – which amounted to over $250, ABC reported. They did not immediately respond to a request for comment from USA TODAY.
The company is currently sold out of its 48-pack toilet paper offering.

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#363724

Democrats and Media Coughing Up Coronavirus Blame On President Trump
By Judi McLeod–March 10, 2020
https://canadafreepress.com/article/democrats-and-media-coughing-up-coronavirus-blame-on-president-trumpcomment image

Trump is now being blamed for its advance
Rather than presenting the coronavirus outbreak as the life and death situation it poses to humanity, Trump is now being blamed for its advance.
Every once in awhile, comes a video showing the truth of what is really going down.
The video below shows the media for the yapping hyenas that they mostly are:

Blocking the president from Twitter hasn’t worked yet—but blaming him for the outbreak of a virus that originated in China, just might
Ever since the Robert Mueller III investigation into Russian collusion turned up empty, and ever since the televised Nancy Pelosi/Adam Schiff Impeachment initiative went south, power-crazed Democrats have been desperately searching for a new and more lethal attack front.
Blocking the president from Twitter hasn’t worked yet—but blaming him for the outbreak of a virus that originated in China, just might.
Hoping that the virus will bring an election-year end to Trump’s popular rallies, they aren’t wishing the same for Biden and Sanders rallies.
Only Conservatives can come down with COVID-19 as far as the Democrats and media are concerned.
Today the British media was caught flat out lying about what took place at the president’s latest coronavirus press conference, falsely accusing him of refusing to answer questions and claiming that he “stormed out” of yesterday’s conference:
“Media outlet claims Trump ‘storms out’ of coronavirus briefing, ignores questions. Video shows otherwise. (The Blaze, March 10, 2020)

‘This is such garbage. Not AT ALL what happened. Wow’
“Did President Donald Trump storm out of a press conference about coronavirus and refuse to answer questions related to his possible exposure to the rapidly spreading disease? That’s what the Daily Mail claimed.
“Trump REFUSES to say if he has been tested for coronavirus and storms out of White House briefing on crisis,” a tweet from the news outlet blasted.
“But, as it turned out, video from the briefing shows the allegation doesn’t hold water.
“What actually happened?
“The president gave the media an update about the government’s ongoing response to the coronavirus outbreak in the U.S., during which he addressed numerous questions from the press corps.
“However, one question the president did not address was whether he has been tested for coronavirus. As the Daily Mail noted in its story, the White House did answer that question.

“The President has not received COVID-19 testing because he has neither had prolonged close contact with any known confirmed COVID-19 patients, nor does he have any symptoms,” White House press secretary Stephanie Grisham said.
“In fact, video of the conclusion of Monday’s press conference shows that Trump did not refuse to answer the question — nor did he storm out of the briefing room — but rather he thanked the media for their questions and calmly walked away from the lectern as journalists continued to scream questions.
“The scene resembled nearly every press gaggle that the president has ever addressed. He in no way stormed out.
“In response, the Daily Mail was widely rebuked.
“This is such garbage. Not AT ALL what happened. Wow,” one person responded.
“I’ll take ‘Things that didn’t happen’ for $500,” another person responded.
Trump himself even responded, saying, “Fake News!!”

The drummed up media outrage about not knowing whether President Trump is being tested for coronavirus, is a stand-in for their wishful thinking that he has already contracted the virus.
This is the same media that never demanded answers about the source of Hillary Clinton’s incessant coughing fits (without her ever covering her mouth) during most of the 2016 election campaign.
While most health organizations see coronavirus as a threat to human life in a potential pandemic, the Democrats and media see it as a useful political tool.
Will they next urge carriers to cough on Trump?
An idea perhaps not as far fetched as it sounds.
Denver Democrat faces backlash after tweeting ‘solidarity’ for spreading coronavirus at Trump rallies

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#363725

Trump, GOP Lawmakers To Propose Payroll Tax Cut To Combat Coronavirus Economic Fallout
By Jack Davis
Published March 10, 2020 at 7:38am
https://www.westernjournal.com/trump-gop-lawmakers-propose-payroll-tax-cut-combat-coronavirus-economic-fallout/

President Donald Trump on Tuesday will unveil an economic relief package to help Americans who are bearing the economic brunt of the coronavirus.
Trump made the announcement Monday as he, Vice President Mike Pence, who leads the administration’s coronavirus task force, and public health officials briefed the media on the latest developments in the fight against the virus.
“We are going to take care of, and have been taking care of, the American public and the American economy,” Trump said, adding that discussions with Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell and House Republicans would include “a possible payroll tax cut or relief, substantial relief — very substantial relief. That’s a big — that’s a big number.
“We’re also going to be talking about hourly wage earners getting help so that they can be in a position where they’re not going to ever miss a paycheck,” Trump said.
“We’re going to be working with companies and small companies, large companies — a lot of companies — so that they don’t get penalized for something that’s not their fault,” the president said, indicating that he expected an announcement about the package will come Tuesday.
“It’s not their fault, it’s not our country’s fault,” Trump said.
“This was something that we were thrown into and we’re going to handle it, and we have been handling it very well. The big decision was early when we shut down our borders. We’re the first ones ever to do that. We’ve never done that in our country before. Or we’d have a situation that would be a lot more dire.”
Trump said the economic package will be extensive.
“Also, we’re going to be seeing Small Business Administration and creating loans for small businesses. We’re also working with the industries, including the airline industry, the cruise ship industry — which, obviously, will be hit. We’re working with them very, very strongly,” he said. “We want them to travel. We want people to travel to certain locations and not to other locations at this moment. And hopefully that will straighten out sooner rather than later.
“But we’re working with the industries, and in particular those two industries,” Trump said. “We’re also talking to the hotel industry. And some places, actually, will do well, and some places probably won’t do well at all. But we’re working also with the hotel industry.
“But the main thing is that we’re taking care of the American public, and we will be taking care of the American public.”
During the news conference, Pence indicated that the need to help workers has been shared by many state governors.
“One of the things that I informed the president that I’ve been hearing from governors is the concern about hourly wage earners in this country feeling that they had to go to work, even if they were ill,” Pence said.
“And the president has tasked this economic team, and is working already with leaders in the Congress, to make sure that anyone is not — feels that they’re at risk of losing their job or losing a paycheck because they may contract the coronavirus.
“When we tell people, ‘If you’re sick, stay home,’ the president has tasked the team with developing economic policies that will make it very, very clear that we’re going to stand by those hardworking Americans, stand by those businesses large and small, and make it possible for us, as the president said from the very beginning, to put the health of America first,” Pence said.
Treasury Secretary Steve Mnuchin later said that Trump has a range of options he can implement through the executive branch, while others may need congressional approval.
“Our primary focus is there are parts of the economy that are going to be impacted, especially workers that need to be at home — hardworking people who are at home under quarantine or taking care of their family,” he said.
“We’ll be working on a program to address that,” Mnuchin added.
“We will also be working with small businesses who need liquidity through SBA programs. We’re looking at alternatives at the IRS. We have large tax payments coming up of providing certain relief to companies and individuals for liquidity.
“So the president is 100 percent committed that we will provide whatever tools we need, that the economy will be in very good shape a year from now. This is not like the financial crisis where we don’t know the end in sight. This is about providing proper tools and liquidity to get through the next few months.”

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#363726

Cuomo Backs Medicare for All as Solution to Virus, ‘Should Be a Must’
By Nicholas Fondacaro | March 9, 2020 11:03 PM EDT
https://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/nb/nicholas-fondacaro/2020/03/09/cuomo-backs-medicare-all-solution-virus-should-be-mustcomment image

“Should be a must” and “it’s no time for any other kind of B.S.” That was the reaction from CNN Prime Time host Chris Cuomo when Senator Bernie Sanders (I-VT) was pitching his socialist Medicare for All plan as the solution to the coronavirus (COVID-19 of Wuhan Virus) outbreak. Cuomo was apparently saying all the right things because it left the Senator visibly pleased and drew praise from the staunch socialist.
In the midst of their Monday night interview about the coronavirus and the campaign, Sanders launched into one of his canned lines about America being the only “major country not to guarantee health care to all” and how that was hurting the response to the coronavirus:

Think about somebody watching this program right now who may be feverish, who may be having a cough, may be saying, “God, do I have the coronavirus? But I can’t afford to go to a doctor, I can’t afford the couple hundred bucks it may cost me.” Think about a worker who’s making 13, 15 bucks an hour who doesn’t have any paid medical leave, who has to go to work tomorrow because if he or she doesn’t go to work they don’t have the income to take care of their family.
So, one of the proposals that we have made is that in this movement, while we moved toward Medicare for all, every worker in America should be able to go to a doctor when you’re sick, right now, to make sure that you get the testing that you need to determine whether or not you are sick.

“Should be a must,” Cuomo blurted out while Sanders was still speaking. “Should be a must. And if you’re sick and you have to stay home, they should pay you for it,” he continued. Sanders immediately praised his host: “You got it.”
Cuomo didn’t stop there. He further demanded that “if that winds up being that the federal government has to get involved and pick up the tab.”
He even threw in an abbreviated expletive. “I mean, it’s no time for any other kind of B.S. If you want people to stay home because they’re being quarantined, the employer’s got to step up. If you want them to get tested you’ve got to make sure the testing is being picked up. There’s no time for any other kind of politics,” he declared.
“That’s right. That’s exactly right, Chris,” Sanders lauded as Cuomo shifted to discussing Sanders’ age and the threat from the virus.
While these two were exploiting the situation to push for socialist policies, the facts of the matter proved that socialized medicine hasn’t stood a chance against the coronavirus. Communist China, the origin country of the disease, has a health-care-for-all system and the virus raged out of control with only authoritarian brutalization apparently slowing it.
Italy also has a nationally controlled health care system and ended up executing the shocking move of locking down the entire country because they’re system was failing so badly.

Don’t miss that last point:
“Italy also has a nationally controlled health care system and ended up executing the shocking move of locking down the entire country because they’re system was failing so badly.”
Full Transcript of the exchange at Newsbusters

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michaelh
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More shocking disdain from the leftists . . . Video at link exposes the danger of FAKE NEWS . . .
‘Morning Joe’ Says ‘Sick’ Trump’s ‘Stupidity’ Will Cause Americans to ‘Die’ from Coronavirus
By Curtis Houck | March 9, 2020 4:56 PM EDT
https://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/nb/curtis-houck/2020/03/09/morning-joe-says-sick-trumps-stupidity-will-cause-americans-die

Monday’s Morning Joe served as an encapsulation of liberal media fear-mongering over the coronavirus, engaging in cheerleading for hysteria and economic ruin. Panelists chided that the “callous and immoral” and “sick” response employed by President Trump and his administration and, as co-host Joe Scarborough warned, Americans will die from the virus because of Trump’s “stupidity.”
In addition, the panel even entertained a martial law-like crackdown on movement for infected areas, praising the steps Italy has taken to try and stop its spread.
Suffering from advanced-stage Trump Derangement Syndrome, Scarborough screeched without evidence and without delineation “that conservatives that had been mocking this outbreak, conservatives who thought that, somehow, a virus could be pushed aside as readily as the rule of law or political norms are suddenly scared.”
He added that the President has been “wildly out of touch with reality” by “underselling” the scale of the virus when he should be sounding the alarm (read: shouting PANIC) . . .

. . . MORE . . . with the Leftist FAKE NEWS media, there’s always LOTS MOAR where that came from . . .
CBS Spends Segment Blasting Trump, Insisting He’s Not Hygienic
By Nicholas Fondacaro | March 9, 2020 9:04 PM EDT
https://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/nb/nicholas-fondacaro/2020/03/09/cbs-spends-segment-blasting-trump-insisting-hes-not-hygieniccomment image

Despite the fact that President Trump was a self-proclaimed germophobe and his hygiene habits had been the target of liberal media ridicule, CBS White House correspondent Paula Reid spent part of her Monday segment on the CBS Evening News insisting the President was being far from hygienic during the coronavirus (COVID-19 or Wuhan Virus) outbreak. On top of that, they again knocked him for not canceling his campaign rallies.
After claiming Trump “refused to take questions” from the press (he was several yards away and appeared to be walking to the West Wing while speaking to staff, and was giving a press conference during the report), Reid decried how he was continuing “to downplay the global epidemic, accusing Democrats and the media of trying to inflame coronavirus situation.”
What she was referring too was Trump sharing statistics showing that the flu season was much worse than the coronavirus outbreak, something even health professionals had admitted.
That was followed by a snide comment about how Trump was supposedly “publicly defying government recommendations on hygiene.” As she said that, a video of Trump shaking hands with supporters flashed on the screen. It was followed up with a soundbite of immunologist Dr. Anthony Fauci from NIH speaking about the importance of washing your hands. The obvious implication was that Trump doesn’t do that.
While Reid was trying to paint a false picture of the President, a mocking Politico article from 2019 dubbing the Trump years “the Purell presidency.”
“And the first thing he often tells his body man upon entering the Beast after shaking countless hands at campaign events: ‘Give me the stuff’ — an immediate squirt of Purell,” Daniel Lippman wrote at the time, before adding: “Two and a half years into his term, President Donald Trump is solidifying his standing as the most germ-conscious man to ever lead the free world.”
The Politico article also included tales of Trump kicking coughers out of rooms and smacking hands when a person licked their finger to flip a page.
Reid’s focus on Trump’s hygiene was followed up with the revelation that four GOP lawmakers who attended CPAC may have contracted the virus and were now in self-quarantine, two of whom had contact with the President since:

The contact occurred at a conservative convention in Washington less than two weeks ago. One, Georgia’s Doug Collins, can be seen here with the President on Friday. And Florida’s Matt Gaetz traveled on Air Force One with the President just today and announced his self-quarantine roughly an hour after landing.

Toward the end of the segment, Reid chided how a Women for Trump tour was canceled but the President’s campaign events were not. “The tour has now been delayed even as the President has yet to curtail his own campaign travel,” she said.
It was several minutes before CBS admitted that neither former Vice President Joe Biden nor Senator Bernie Sanders (I-VT) had stopped campaigning or shaking hands.

Transcript at Newsbusters . . .

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michaelh
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New York’s “Sky’s Falling!” Narrative comes CRASHING into reality . . .
Sensible Steps
The coronavirus epidemic is serious—but a rational, measured approach can contain it.
Joel Zinberg
March 9, 2020
https://www.city-journal.org/coronavirus-epidemic-sensible-stepscomment image

On March 7, New York governor Andrew Cuomo declared a “state of emergency” as the number of cases of COVID-19, the disease caused by the new coronavirus SARS-CoV-2, reached 89 statewide. So far, no New Yorkers have died. Over 4,000 people who may have been exposed have been asked to self-quarantine. Many are medical personnel who are now no longer available to treat patients for COVID-19 and other problems. Earlier in the week, an Uber driver walked into a Queens hospital complaining of flu-like symptoms; he later tested positive, and now 40 doctors, nurses, and other hospital workers are self-quarantined, since they may have been exposed to coronavirus. The New York experience to date suggests that the disruptions this new virus causes—particularly to the availability of medical care, for any condition—may be more dangerous than the illness that it causes.

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COVID-19 and the World Economy
All countries are taking a hit, but China faces a steeper climb to recovery.
Milton Ezrati
March 9, 2020
https://www.city-journal.org/covid-19-china-economycomment image

Even now, months after the first appearance of COVID-19, the medical world knows only so much about it—and that uncertainty contributes to fears about what might happen. Businesses, markets, and people with responsibility would like the disease to follow the pattern of recent past pandemics. SARS in 2002, the H1N1 influenza of 2009, and MERS in 2012 all ran their course faster than expected, allowing markets, economies, and societies to recover quickly. The best that experience can offer is perspective, and perhaps some hint of the future.
Unlike the rest of the world, though, China may face lasting problems as a result of this disease. The virus is causing the global economy considerable harm, and financial markets are showing an increasing sense of panic (with an oil-price war between Saudi Arabia and Russia adding to the woes). China’s economy likely is already in recession, whatever Beijing’s ever-optimistic official figures may show. The near-collapse of sales in China has set back exports into that country from everywhere in the world and, in so doing, spread economic pain broadly, as has the complete halt to what not too long ago was a flood of moneyed Chinese tourists. Production shutdowns in China have interrupted the flow of materials and parts to producers around the world, slowing and in some cases shuttering their facilities. The Group of 20 trading nations estimates that the disease has already cost the world economy $1 trillion in production. It would not be a surprise to see slower-growing economies—notably Japan’s, and several countries in Europe—join China in a quarter or more of real economic decline.

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kalbokalbs
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“Earlier in the week, an Uber driver walked into a Queens hospital complaining of flu-like symptoms; he later tested positive, and now 40 doctors, nurses, and other hospital workers are self-quarantined, since they may have been exposed to coronavirus. ”
^^^ Have read some ERs and urgent care try to catch potential Corona patients BEFORE they enter the medical facility. Thus preclude losing, as an example, “40 doctors, nurses, and other hospital workers” to self quarantine.
Seems as though this needs to be the standard, stopping Corona from walking into hospitals and urgent care facilities and potentially taking out medical workers for fourteen days.
After a brief pre screening outside the medical facility, if warranted, induct the potential Corona is a safe manner that does NOT jeopardize staff and patients in the area.
Yea, I have zero medical training. Just seems to be a better way than Corona walking in the door taking so many medical workers out of service for fourteen days. Maybe this is discussed further below.

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daughnworks247
#363753

Yes, all hospitals looking for ways to triage OUTSIDE of the hospital. Guidance from CDC even states CALLING your home doctor instead of showing up at the office, risking infecting dozens of others.
We’re going to have to find a way to get ahead of this thing……. and yes……… hospital workers need to prepare to spend days and nights AT the hospital and NOT come home to their families, since MANY of them will become infected. It’s almost unavoidable.

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Linda K Harrison
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In New York, on the radio, the news people are announcing that you should call the hospital, doctors office, ambulance service, etc. prior to leaving your house and announcing that you have flu like symptoms so they can triage you over the phone and give you instructions on how to proceed. It also gives the ambulance crew a chance to take precautions, etc. I just started hearing it this week.

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michaelh
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COVID-19: Spiraling Down… to Logic
March 10, 2020
https://www.coreysdigs.com/health-science/covid-19-spiraling-down-to-logic/comment image

If you are finding yourself spiraling over the coronavirus and recent events, you better hold on to your seats. The name of the game is fear, and you are right smack in the middle of its path. How you choose to let it impact you, is the choice between walking a tight rope or floating on a cloud with a bird’s-eye view. Imagine the beauty of being able to fly, coasting above it all, breathing in fresh air, while the turmoil swirls beneath you – and you are totally unaffected by it. Are you?

* The Stock Market Logic
* The Drug Supply Chain Logic
* Retail Supply Chain Logic
* Economic Stimulus Plan Incoming
* Truth Bomb Logic

* Viruses have a shelf life, and this virus will run its course.
* The first case in the U.S. was confirmed on January 20, 2020. As of March 9th, 49 days later, there are only 605 cases. There have only been 26 deaths, 19 of which occurred at a senior center.
* As of March 9th, there have been 113,605 confirmed cases worldwide, 3,990 deaths, and 63,663 people have already fully recovered from this virus.
* There are over 250,000+ deaths annually in the U.S. due to medical error.
* 37,000 people died from the common flu last year, whereas only 22 have died from coronavirus thus far.
* The 30-year average annual death toll from tornadoes in the U.S. is 69. There were 1520 tornadoes in 2019 alone. Is everyone going out and building underground tornado shelters?

Ask yourself these questions:

* Does fear make me feel better?
* Is panic helping me achieve anything?
* Am I able to control this worldwide issue?
* Is my stress having an effect on my family?
* Am I spending too much time spreading my fears to other people?
* Am I part of the problem?
* Do I focus more on negative than positive?
* Is there a way I can help others through this, instead of wallowing in my fear?
* Are there practical things I can do to make myself feel better or safer about all of this?
* Do I spend more time sharing my fears or sharing my love?
Step away from the ledge. If you believe the world is coming to an end, then what are you doing reading this article? You should be out having a blast, spending every minute checking off that bucket list, and enjoying those last moments on earth. You can’t control the outcome, you can only control how you feel about it, and making assumptions will only cause you to spiral worse. But guess what? The world isn’t coming to an end. Have faith, think logically, and spread love. Stop spreading fear – it serves no one.
Spiral down… into logic.
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Now what about the coronavirus itself and all of the panic around it? What is really happening? I break some of it down in this video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_b5W23yQEOc

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Gail Combs
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michaelh,
Your logic ONLY WORKS IF THERE IS DATA!!!
We have ZERO idea of the number of Wuhan virus cases in the USA BECAUSE Obama appointee Nancy Messonnier DID NOT ALLOW TESTING!
We have ZERO idea of the number of Wuhan virus DEATHS because we have zero idea how many people actually died from the disease.
If the time from infected to death takes a month or more, and infected to symptoms can take up to 24 days, we should JUST NOW be starting to see the unknown cases become visible.
It is no surprise that this is first showing up in the elderly since the time from infected to symptoms to death would likely be shorter.
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So what data do we actually have??
Note this is CDC SURVEILLANCE data
CDC estimates at least 34 million flu illnesses as of the end of February.
*https://www.cdc.gov/flu/weekly/index.htm
1,012,509 specimens tested.
207,466 (20.5%) tested positive for known flu viruses
From the CDC
*https://www.cdc.gov/flu/weekly/#ClinicalLaboratories
“Nationwide during week 9, 5.3% of patient visits reported through the U.S. Outpatient Influenza-like Illness Surveillance Network (ILINet) were due to influenza-like illness (ILI). This percentage is above the national baseline of 2.4%.”
tracked flu activity remain high but decreased for the third week.
The number of jurisdictions reporting high activity increased.
The percentage of deaths is 6.9% below epidemic threshold (7.3%)
“Based on National Center for Health Statistics (NCHS) mortality surveillance data available on March 5, 2020, 6.9% of the deaths occurring during the week ending February 22, 2020 (week 8) were due to P&I. This percentage is below the epidemic threshold of 7.3% for week 8.”

♦️ Outpatient ILI and clinical laboratory data remain elevated but decreased for the third week in a row.
Nationally, influenza A(H1N1)pdm09 viruses are now the most commonly reported influenza viruses this season. Previously, influenza B/Victoria viruses predominated nationally.
♦️ Overall, hospitalization rates remain similar to this time during recent seasons, but rates among school aged children and young adults are higher at this time than in recent seasons and rates among children 0-4 years old are now the highest CDC has on record at this point in the season, surpassing rates reported during the second wave of the 2009 H1N1 pandemic.
♦️ Pneumonia and influenza mortality has been low, but 136 influenza-associated deaths in children have been reported so far this season. This number is higher for the same time period than in every season since reporting began in 2004-05, except for the 2009 pandemic.
♦️ CDC estimates that so far this season there have been at least 34 million flu illnesses, 350,000 hospitalizations and 20,000 deaths from flu.
♦️ Antiviral medications are an important adjunct to flu vaccine in the control of influenza. Almost all (>99%) of the influenza viruses tested this season are susceptible to the four FDA-approved influenza antiviral medications recommended for use in the U.S. this season….
*https://www.cdc.gov/flu/weekly/#ClinicalLaboratories

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michaelh
#363771

Yeah the total control and gaming of testing is a huge red flag. I want to know WTF these jokers are trying to do.

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Gail Combs
#363811

Make DARN SURE the USA has an epidemic that can be blamed on President Trump.

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michaelh
#363773

Obama and team Deep State did NOT count on President “Never Say We Can’t” Trump!!!

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Gail Combs
#363783

AMEN!
They NEVER EVER expected him to actually GOVERN.
So yes, I think it is very likely it is SABOTAGE. President Trump has a country to run he can not second guess every single move the 7 to 9 million federal employees make.
On January 29, 2020 President Trump formed the Coronavirus Task Force.
*https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefings-statements/statement-press-secretary-regarding-presidents-coronavirus-task-force/
When it became obvious he was being sabotaged he appointed VP Pence to oversee the subversive bureaucrats in that task force.
Notice how, as soon as VP Pence took over things started to get done.
ALSO notice how that subversive task force LIED to VP Pence telling him one thing about the availability of the tests and THEN turning around and telling the Fake News that NO that many tests are NOT available.
I sure as heck hope there was some MAJOR butt chewing behind the scenes!!!

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michaelh
#363785

GRR!!! Setting Pence up to FAIL by intentionally feeding him DISINFO is blatantly LYING and SABOTAGE!

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daughnworks247
#363782

Chyron this morning on FOX BIZ – the CDC has tested 8600 samples.
That’s up from the 4300 from last Friday.
Being objective, I have no idea if that’s results from private labs or ACTUAL CDC tests.
Nancy Messonnier needs to be removed, sure, but the damage was done and apparently it’s not in Trump’s best interest to attack her personally.
Time to move on.
Fix it.
We MUST have reporting from the private labs funneling into CDC.
Public will demand information.

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kalbokalbs
#363793

Yep. Fix Nancy Messonnier at a later date. For now, she has to be sidelined. If she bitches, expose her ignorant Corona management in the early week of Corona. Such as IF tests are bad, get new ones. The “perfect” test for multiple problems was foolish. corona should have been the focus. IF CDC was the required test agency, change the regulation. So many stoopid mis-steps by Nancy.
100% move on. This is what President Trump and VP Pence are doing. Direct management of CDC is required.

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michaelh
#363730

The Greatest Fear Is Fear Itself
President Trump is the first serious businessman to be president and undoubtedly is a talented executive. He still has an opportunity to turn this to account politically, by approaching the crisis with no regard to politics, other than to lead the country through this challenge.
Conrad BlackBy Conrad Black • March 9, 2020
https://amgreatness.com/2020/03/09/the-greatest-fear-is-fear-itself/comment image
Coronavirus Mass Hysteria
You have a sound mind. Think accurately and rationally about the Wuhan Virus.
Steven F. Hotze, M.D.By Steven F. Hotze, M.D. • March 9, 2020
https://amgreatness.com/2020/03/09/coronavirus-mass-hysteria/comment image

he mainstream media and many politicians are attempting to create in you and in the general population an irrational fear over the latest strain of the coronavirus, COVID-19, also known as the Wuhan Virus. You cannot turn on the radio or television news without hearing dire forecasts about this virus from China that is going to cause a devastating worldwide epidemic. . .
This is mass hysteria and it is occurring around the world.
Take a deep breath. Think accurately and rationally. Use common sense.

Morning Greatness: Media Fuels Coronavirus Panic to Damage Trump
Liz SheldBy Liz Sheld • March 9, 2020
https://amgreatness.com/2020/03/09/morning-greatness-media-fuels-coronavirus-panic-to-damage-trump/comment image

Here’s what’s on the president’s agenda today:
* The president participates in a roundtable with supporters in Longwood, Florida
* President Trump delivers remarks at a fundraising committee luncheon
* The president returns to Washington D.C.
Media continues to fuel coronavirus panic, points finger at Trump.
The media is in overdrive fueling panic, freaking out Americans so they buy rice and toilet paper and of course blaming Trump for the disease. . .
This virus is just another opportunity to drag Trump.

[Snip a lot of excellent reporting]
. . . And that’s all I’ve got, now go beat back the angry mob!

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michaelh
#363731

Coronavirus Fears Hit D.C. as Multiple Lawmakers and Reporters Self-Quarantine
Debra HeineBy Debra Heine • March 9, 2020
https://amgreatness.com/2020/03/09/coronavirus-fears-hit-d-c-as-multiple-lawmakers-and-reporters-self-quarantine/comment image

Four Republican lawmakers and one Democrat congresswoman have announced that they going into self-quarantine after coming into contact with someone who tested positive for the coronavirus (COVID-19). Additionally, several news outlets on Monday reportedly asked journalists who covered CPAC to self-quarantine.

[Because, heaven knows that without our LAWMAKERS the Republic would cease to function!!! N.B.: Please everyone, GET A GRIP. Politicians are NOT that important and are easily replaced. Their major function in representative democracy is to VOTE. NOT A BIG DEAL.]
https://twitter.com/carterwpage/status/1237133239405498368
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Genetic Engineering Co. Says Its COVID-19 Vaccine Could Be Approved By End of the Year
Debra HeineBy Debra Heine • March 9, 2020
https://amgreatness.com/2020/03/09/genetic-engineering-co-says-its-covid-19-vaccine-could-be-approved-by-end-of-the-year/comment image

A Texas-based genetic engineering company claims to have created a vaccine to prevent the coronavirus (COVID-19) and is hoping to have the drug approved and available to the public by the end of the year.
John Price, the CEO of Greffex, told Fox News Monday that he was completely “confident” in his company’s new vaccine.

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kalbokalbs
#363794

Because, heaven knows that without our LAWMAKERS the Republic would cease to function!!! N.B.: Please everyone, GET A GRIP. Politicians are NOT that important and are easily replaced. Their major function in representative democracy is to VOTE. NOT A BIG DEAL.
^^^ No loss if politicians go twiddle their thumbs. Hell, their average week is only four days. AND they seemingly take a couple weeks off every six weeks or so. Bastards largely do nothing.
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ONLY good thing about NV State legislature is 20 out of 24 months they are NOT in session. Can’t f@ck anything up. Downside, four months they are in session they are purely evil fixing shit that ain’t broke. They haven’t screwed anything up since May 2019. Sadly they return January 2021.

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michaelh
#363732

The Morning Briefing: My Wuhan Joe Biden Election Conspiracy Theory
BY STEPHEN KRUISER MARCH 10, 2020
https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/the-morning-briefing-my-wuhan-joe-biden-election-conspiracy-theory/comment image

Bear With Me Here…
Perhaps this idea has been floated out there by someone else already, but I haven’t seen it. This will come as no surprise to most of you, but I don’t read a lot of other writers’ stuff. Yes, I’m arrogant. I’m also fun, which is why we are all here every weekday morning. So this theory is new to me.
As I said in yesterday’s Briefing, I — and many others — believe that the mainstream media is whipping up the coronavirus hysteria for the sole purpose of damaging President Trump and throwing the election to the paste-eating slow boy Joe Biden.
I also truly believe that whipping up an unnecessary panic over the Wuhan flu is the only chance der Bidengaffer has of winning the election.
In the hours after I wrote that, the media seemed to turn up the hysterical volume on the coverage to eleven, and my mind began to wander about how all of this is going to play out.
With all the stars aligning behind Crazy Joe the Wonder Veep despite his inability to string together any number of words that form a sentence, I began to wonder how a Biden presidency played out in the heads of Democrats.
My new theory: it doesn’t.
. . . Here is where my conspiracy freak thing comes in.
I think they’d prefer to get the elderly white man into the White House with one of their preferred diversity candidates as his vice president. Once in, they can suddenly become aware of his cognitive decline and begin publicly expressing concerns about his health, all dutifully abetted by their flying monkeys in the media.

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michaelh
#363733

New York continues panic effort
New York Sets Up Coronavirus ‘Containment Zone,’ Will Deploy National Guard To Assist
By Randy DeSoto
Published March 10, 2020 at 3:58pm
https://www.westernjournal.com/new-york-sets-coronavirus-containment-zone-will-deploy-national-guard-assist/comment image

New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo announced on Tuesday that he is deploying his state’s National Guard to assist in establishing a coronavirus containment zone in New Rochelle, north of New York City.
New Rochelle, a city of approximately 80,000 people 20 miles north of the big city, is a “particular problem” because a “cluster” of cases has broken out there, Cuomo explained at a news conference.
“New Rochelle, at this point, is probably the largest cluster of these cases in the United States,” he said, according to The New York Times.
“The numbers have been going up,” Cuomo added. “The numbers continue to go up. The numbers are going up unabated, and we do need a special public health strategy for New Rochelle.”

Westchester County, where New Rochelle is located, has 108 cases, Cuomo said, compared to New York City, which has 36 known cases, The Wall Street Journal reported.
“This is unique in the United States of America. We haven’t seen this anywhere else,” Cuomo said. “Think about it: New Rochelle has double the amount of cases as New York City.”
There are 173 confirmed coronavirus cases statewide.
“The epicenter of the zone is the Young Israel of New Rochelle, a synagogue at the heart of a modern Orthodox community that was attended by a 50-year-old attorney dubbed ‘patient zero’ in the state,” The Journal reported.
Cuomo said New York’s National Guard will be used in a three-square-mile containment area centered on the synagogue to deliver food to residents as well as assist in cleaning public areas.

The containment zone will be in place for two weeks, starting Thursday. During that time, facilities will be closed and large public gatherings will be limited.
Cuomo also said Northwell Health, New York state’s largest health care provider, will be setting up a satellite coronavirus testing facility in the containment zone.
The New York Times reported that several private schools and universities have canceled classes on campus.
Columbia University, Fordham University, St. John’s University and New York University are among the colleges affected.
Rutgers University, in neighboring New Jersey, also canceled classes on campus.
New York City Mayor Bill de Blasio has decided not to cancel his city’s public schools, but might close particular facilities if students or teachers are determined to have been exposed to the virus.
Those schools would then cleaned and reopened in a day or so.
“We cannot shut down [the entire school system] because of undue fear,” he told MSNBC on Tuesday.

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michaelh
#363734

Politicizing Coronavirus Will Cost Dems the House
Their rhetoric concerning COVID-19 has been both irresponsible and politically inept.
David Catron by DAVID CATRON
March 10, 2020, 12:02 AM
https://spectator.org/politicizing-coronavirus-will-cost-dems-the-house/comment image

It’s clear that the Democrats see the coronavirus outbreak as an opportunity rather than an epidemic. Having failed to bring down President Trump with ridiculous conspiracy theories involving Russia and Ukraine, they are desperately attempting to convince the public that he is somehow exacerbating the COVID-19 crisis. House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and Senate Democratic Leader Chuck Schumer, for example, issued a joint press release Sunday that included the following fiction: “President Trump continues to manufacture needless chaos within his administration and it is hampering the government’s response to the coronavirus outbreak.” Predictably, Pelosi and Schumer fail to provide any objective facts to support this claim.
. . . President Trump is right when he accuses the Democrats of working “to inflame the coronavirus situation.” They regard the outbreak as an opportunity for scoring political points. Moreover, they have behaved so irresponsibly during the past three years that what little credibility they enjoyed has evaporated. Gallup finds that Congress has a 23 percent approval rating. The reality is that the president, the CDC, and the NIH are doing as well as most reasonable voters would expect with the coronavirus outbreak. When it becomes obvious that the Democrats have cynically exploited this serious public health risk in one last attempt to damage Trump, the voters will react with revulsion. They will reelect Trump and return the leadership of the House to his party.

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kalbokalbs
#363747

Superb series of posts Michael. Absolutely, D-Rats are mobilized to damage President Trump at the expense of Americans health, financial well being. This IS an extension of D-Rat RESIST adapted to the evil ChiComs have levied on the global community.

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daughnworks247
#363754

Agreed.
If we refer to information and back up sourcing as “sauce”, Michael just brought us some damn good sausage gravy and biscuits.
Time for breakfast!!

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Gail Combs
#363735

WELL, the latest iteration of the Commie’s Soft Coup is working very well.
…..
It is interesting to read the comments over at ChiefIO since these are intelligent people.
Nancy Messonnier has really done a WONDERFUL JOB. Her intentional SABOTAGE is being laid directly on President Trump and VP Pence’s heads. I am sure they were also DELIBERATELY LIED TO over the past week by the ‘task force’
Here is one of the ‘nicer ones’ (only part)
Bill In Oz says:
https://chiefio.wordpress.com/2020/03/08/7-march-2020-covid-19-california-quarantine-exponential-math/#comment-126391
“This has just been posted on Thailand Medical News.
It’s the best explanation I have read of what is going on in the USA and the enormous stuff up that the CDC has inflicted on the US people.
I think it’s time for time for Australia to quarantine all travellers from the USA.”

….The US CDC and NIH has on a whole failed the country and even worst the CDC management for the diagnostic criteria and also its management of test kits production has only accelerated the spread of the disease indirectly.
Contrary to the fact that America has superior healthcare facilities, its current system is not the lease prepared for what is coming in the next few weeks. As of today, the problem of diagnostic test kits has not been resolved with many States complaining of an acute shortage of diagnostic test kits.
Reports in the Journal of the American Medical Association (JAMA) on Monday by epidemiologists from Johns Hopkins University and Stanford University said the failings had contributed to the virus taking root in communities across the country….
The US CDC announced Monday it has testing capacity in 78 state and local public health labs, with 75,000 kits available nationwide and more by mid-March. However checks showed than less than 27,000 test kits was actually available for a populations of more than 327 million people.
The clueless President Donald Trump told a White House news conference, “When people need a test, they can get a test. When the professionals need to test more people they can get the tests.”
His administration had initially promised to have one million kits in place by the end of last week but nothing materialized.
Dr Michelle Mello of Stanford, a co-author of the report told Thailand Medical News, “Adopting broader testing criteria and allowing use of a wider range of tests would have been helpful in identifying the first US cases and containing the spread,”

link : https://www.thailandmedical.news/news/us-cdc-flawed-coronavirus-test-strategy-has-helped-massive-coronavirus-spread
“Lots of people have flown to other countries from the USA thinking they were not infected with Corona 19 Virus as they flew home to countries such as Australia where they then infected other people.
The CDC management there in the USA has a lot to answer for. I hope that Trump can hold them accountable and move them sideways ‘somewhere where they cannot do any harm’.”

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GA/FL
#363748

THIS is blatant, brazen propaganda.

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michaelh
#363752

There is a LOT of FAKE NEWS and PROPaganda out there – it’s like it blew in as a giant storm.

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Gail Combs
#363778

Notice WHO is whipping up the storm.
The RESIST! SES in the CDC
Dr Michelle Mello of Stanford
Reports in the Journal of the American Medical Association (JAMA) on Monday by epidemiologists from Johns Hopkins University and Stanford University
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
It really is a COUP attempt.
That does not mean it is NOT a really nasty flu.

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michaelh
#363780

SES needs to be rooted out and cast in the fire!
One of the problems is what “take it seriously” means to different ppl.
Libs are emotive feelers over rational thinkers. For the “serious” is an EMOTION.
The rest of us see “serious” and connect that with facts, decision making, prudent action, and OUTCOMES. Emotions are irrelevant but aligning to positive outcome is the key.
Also, not doing more than prudent. Not going to call up national guard for a sniffle. That would be an emotive response.
But libs think unless you feel and act like they do then “you aren’t taking it seriously”. So they become accusatory b/c you don’t mirror their empathetic response. As if their emotions are a script that the rest of us should just play along with!

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Sylvia Avery
#363741

Washington State: As of last night we had an additional confirmed case about 15 miles from me in the next county. By this afternoon we had a confirmed case in the next county on the other side of mine. By tonight we had a confirmed case in my county.
If I need anything else, I’ll either order it and have it delivered or do drive through. I’m not all that social, anyway, so really it shouldn’t be a problem.

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Dora
#363742

Coronavirus On Long Island: 20 Cases, Dozens Quarantined
Two Long Island school bus drivers are among the latest New York coronavirus cases as dozens were ordered to go into quarantine.
https://patch.com/new-york/gardencity/coronavirus-li-schools-close-disease-spreads

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daughnworks247
#363755

The children carry the virus but rarely become ill.
Truly a problem for cultures where multi-generational families live together, like an Italian grandma.

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Gail Combs
#363786

AND their parents who catch it from the kids and then carry it into work where there are vulnerables in the 40 to 65 age group.
…
The BIGGEST worry that I see with this Wuhan Flu is the long asymptomatic period when you are contagious and its ease of spreading.
Also as E.M. Smith has often mentioned, there is NO HERD IMMUNITY. That means 60% to 80% to 90% are going to catch it sooner or later. We just want to make it LATER after methods for dealing with it are available.

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michaelh
#363750

New York City reaches Post-Apocolyptic levels of panic . . .
Red State USA recovers from extreme cases of FAKE NEWS fatigue . . .
Empire Report (NY State)
*http://empirereportnewyork.com/
http://empirereportnewyork.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/subway.png
SUBWAY STATIONS EMPTY
*https://nypost.com/2020/03/10/eerie-photos-show-empty-subway-stations-in-nyc-amid-coronavirus-panic/
DE BLASIO: NYC CASES COMING INTENSELY
*https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/10/nyc-coronavirus-cases-are-coming-in-so-intensely-now-mayor-de-blasio-says.html
WALL STREET FUTURES DOWN
*https://www.cnbc.com/
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NEW ROCH-HELL: MILE-WIDE SWATH OF WESTCHESTER CITY SHUT, SCHOOLS CLOSED, NATIONAL GUARD DEPLOYED…
*https://www.nydailynews.com/coronavirus/ny-coronavirus-20200310-ik54acdivrhzxjhl3cktb3omx4-story.html
CUOMO CONFIRMS 173 CASES…
*https://www.rochesterfirst.com/coronavirus/how-many-confirmed-cases-coronavirus-covid-19-new-york-state-health-covernor-cuomo-outbreak-virus-worldwide-travel-concern-masks/
WATCH CUOMO PRESS CONFERENCE…
*http://empirereportnewyork.com/watch-live-new-york-gov-cuomo-provides-update-on-coronavirus-response-cases-in-the-state/
*

CUOMO DEPLOYS NATIONAL GUARD…
*https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/10/new-york-gov-cuomo-to-deploy-national-guard-to-new-rochelle-establishes-containment-center-to-stem-coronavirus.html
MASSACHUSETTS DECLARES STATE OF EMERGENCY…
*https://www.nbcboston.com/news/local/gov-baker-to-speak-on-states-coronavirus-preparedness/2088681/
OFFICIALS PREPARE FOR OUTBREAK ON RIKERS ISLAND…
*https://www.ny1.com/nyc/all-boroughs/politics/2020/03/11/new-york-coronavirus-latest-official-prepare-for-potential-outbreak-rikers-island
STATE, CITY OFFICIALS WORRY VIRUS WILL TANK ECONOMY…
*https://nypost.com/2020/03/10/state-and-city-officials-worry-coronavirus-will-tank-economy-finance/
Nassau County cases include school bus drivers…
*https://nypost.com/2020/03/10/nassau-county-coronavirus-cases-include-school-bus-drivers/
MTA doubles subway station cleanings…
*https://nypost.com/2020/03/10/mta-doubles-subway-station-cleanings-as-nyc-coronavirus-cases-climb/
Barclays reveals case on NYC trading floor…
*https://nypost.com/2020/03/10/barclays-reveals-coronavirus-case-on-new-york-trading-floor/
Yonkers Raceway closes after horse trainer identified as NJ coronavirus death…
*https://nypost.com/2020/03/10/yonkers-raceway-closes-after-horse-trainer-identified-as-nj-coronavirus-death/comment image
SYRACUSE: NO MORE CLASSES…
*https://www.syracuse.com/coronavirus/2020/03/syracuse-university-will-shift-classes-online-due-to-coronavirus-concerns.html
CORNELL: NO MORE CLASSES…
*https://statements.cornell.edu/2020/20200310-coronavirus-update.cfm
RUTGERS: NO MORE CLASSES…
*https://nypost.com/2020/03/10/rutgers-cancels-classes-tells-students-to-leave-campus-due-to-coronavirus-fears/
RPI: NO MORE CLASSES…
*https://www.timesunion.com/news/article/RPI-suspends-in-person-instruction-moves-classes-15120447.php
JOHN JAY COLLEGE: NO MORE CLASSES…
*https://nypost.com/2020/03/11/nycs-john-jay-college-closes-after-student-tests-positive-for-coronavirus/
What 23 Central NY, Upstate colleges are doing about classes? (list)…
*https://www.syracuse.com/coronavirus/2020/03/coronavirus-what-23-central-ny-upstate-ny-colleges-are-doing-about-classes-list.html
NY TIMES URGES STAFFERS TO WORK FROM HOME…
*https://nypost.com/2020/03/10/the-new-york-times-is-urging-its-staffers-to-work-from-home/
NY high school games postponed…
*https://nypost.com/2020/03/10/new-york-high-school-games-postponed-over-coronavirus-concerns/
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TRUMP SAYS HE HAS NO SYMPTOMS, SEES NO NEED TO BE TESTED…
*https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-says-he-has-no-coronavirus-symptoms-sees-no-need-to-be-tested/ar-BB110h9j
TRUMP: ‘Just stay calm. It will go away’…
*https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8097025/Just-stay-calm-away-Donald-Trump-tries-reassure-Americans-coronavirus.html
WATCH: PENCE, TASK FORCE WHITE HOUSE UPDATE…
*http://empirereportnewyork.com/watch-live-vice-president-pence-and-coronavirus-task-force-update-from-white-house/
*

FROM ‘GREAT’ TO ‘BLINDSIDED’ HOW TRUMP CHANGED VIRUS MESSAGE AMID FEAR, CONFUSION…
*https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2020/03/10/coronavirus-trump-shifts-message-crisis-grows-stocks-plummet/4966450002/
TRUMP BELIEVES MEDIA CREATING ‘MASS HYSTERIA’ TO HURT PRESIDENCY…
*https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-still-believes-media-creating-coronavirus-hysteria-gop-allies-quarantine-2020-3
CHINESE OFFICIALS: VACCINE COULD BE READY NEXT MONTH…
*https://nypost.com/2020/03/10/coronavirus-vaccine-could-be-ready-by-april-chinese-officials-say/
NYTIMES: Talks Begin on Stimulus Plan as Trump Plays Down Virus Threat…
*https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/10/us/politics/trump-coronavirus-relief-package.html
Trump pitched 0% payroll tax rate…
*https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/10/trump-pitched-0percent-payroll-tax-rate-for-the-rest-of-this-year-white-house-officials-say.html
Gaetz slept in Walmart lot after potentially exposing Trump…
*https://www.businessinsider.com/gaetz-slept-in-walmart-lot-after-potentially-exposing-trump-to-coronavirus-2020-3

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GA/FL
#363759

Empire Report is the new Pravda.

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michaelh
#363756

The Morning Briefing: ZOMG CORONAVIRUS CANCEL ALL THE THINGS!
BY STEPHEN KRUISER MARCH 11, 2020
https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/the-morning-briefing-zomg-coronavirus-cancel-all-the-things/comment image

Ladies and Gentlemen, We Regret to Inform You…
The news has become so one-note the past couple of days that I am tempted to spend a day just drinking and writing about beer. The slightest bit of encouragement from you, dear Morning Briefing readers, could flip this to a beer blog in a heartbeat.
Actually, it’s a two-note news cycle we are dealing with here today: coronavirus and the Democratic presidential primary. Sure, people like me look at both as illnesses that need to be cured, but the latter seems to be chronic.
Tuesday was cancellation day for both the virus and the Democrats.
The week began with the St. Patrick’s Day parades in both Dublin and Boston being canceled, which should have been an omen. The parades may be no more, but people will still be in bars drunkenly sharing air and Lord knows what else. Canceling things makes everyone feel better about how they are handling the containment of the virus, however.
By Tuesday the cancellations began spreading much faster than the virus itself. The huge Coachella and Stagecoach music festivals scheduled for next month were canceled, then rescheduled for the fall.
Hot on the heels of Monday’s cancellation of my hometown Tucson Festival of Books (one of the largest such festivals in the country), the Los Angeles Times Festival of Books followed suit.
The NCAA Men’s basketball tournament — March Madness — is about to begin and the idea of playing games without any fans in attendance has been floated.
A couple of universities (my daughter’s included) canceled classes on Monday, and the number of schools doing so on Tuesday picked up quite a bit. Students and professors are being transitioned to a virtual classroom environment, which should be fun to see happen on the fly.
On it went.
Concerts, business conferences, and other public gatherings got the ax.
Yes, several of the larger events like Coachella have been rescheduled, but that doesn’t mean that everyone who arranged their vacation time and travel to go next month can make it in October.
While I have been advocating for erring on the side of caution, I wonder how long this cancelation fever is supposed to go on. Do we keep doing the social distance experiment until the rate of new cases slows or stops completely?
If things are still escalating in a month do summer concert and theater seasons start getting canceled?
There is money being lost all over the place here, which certainly plays into the theory we’ve been discussing the past two days about the media trying to create a frenzy that turns into an overwhelmingly negative economic impact. Look at this:

If there is an endgame it would be great if someone would articulate it. If no one does, I’m sticking with the conspiracy theory I floated yesterday.
Another Cancelation of Sorts
Michigan was supposed to be the defibrillator for Bernie Sanders’s campaign, but it may have been a dagger in the heart of it. The contest wasn’t even close, which probably has the Sanders people prepping for an exit sooner rather than later. Sanders said last night that he has plans to participate in the next debate, His biggest cheerleader wasn’t feeling it, though:

Sanders and AOC love to talk about the “movement” that they are building. They don’t have a movement, they have a bunch of noisy kids.
A true movement is more than big rallies. Its members have to get into the weeds of politics, doing things like knocking on doors and making phone calls. That’s boring. Rallies are adrenaline rushes and fun.
The youth demographic loves fun but doesn’t really have the attention span for the nuts and bolts of politics.
They will grow up one day, however, and then we will really need to worry.
Grandpapodganda, FTW
Crazy Joe the Wonder Veep had another embarrassing off-leash moment yesterday, filled with more incoherence and that weird tough-guy posturing he’s fond of doing.
My friend and colleague Cam Edwards, who is the Editor at our sister site Bearing Arms, provided a nice synopsis:

As always is the case these days, someone from the MSM quickly rushed in to defend Biden’s latest senior moment, prompting this gem of a response from Cam:

Grandpapoganda is now my favorite political word for the rest of this interminable cycle.

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bakocarl
#363757

In Feb, it became obvious that the CDC WuFlu testing criteria (been in Wuhan or exposed to a person who has tested positive) was far too restrictive and did not result in population testing that might show the spread of the virus.
So, we got the word that 1,000,000 test kits would be available by the end of Feb.
What I’m reading now, is that maybe 250,000 kits have been made and there are distribution issues and some local DOHs are enforcing rules that are stifling testing.
Additionally, I’ve read that CDC didn’t put reporting requirements into force to gather testing info and the CDC has removed testing data from their website.
Do any QTreeps out there have any sources that are now addressing the availability of test kits, and the numbers of tests given and the result, positive and negative?
I’m thinking that we’re still suffering from a “let’s not test aggressively” mindset that is stifling evidence of a wider WuFlu outbreak, particularly in the cities.

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daughnworks247
#363762

Over a million test kits have been shipped from private sector suppliers, will be four million by the end of the week. Currently, the private suppliers to not have a reporting mechanism to CDC but Sec Azar is already trying to cut red tape (It has to do with HIPPA laws, privacy of test results —– which is exactly WHY the Obama Admin insisted on all Ebola testing being done by CDC and CDC alone— which set up the problem with Coronavirus)
Secondary reporting of “they wouldn’t test me when I asked for a test” is because of misinformation from media.
We have a MEDIA who thinks every person who wanders into a local doc office can get a test like a pregnancy test. Doesn’t work that way.

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GA/FL
#363764

AMEN, Daughn!

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michaelh
#363777

BULLSHIT!
Obama CDC has multiple means of managing the HIPAA records and getting the data they need. Health care agencies DO NOT have tied hands for collaboration on HIPAA!
These are the same jokers that exported the entire IRS database.
Azar is right to cut thru the BS!

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Gail Combs
#363788

DAUGHN,
Another tip.
HATS!
I forgot mine when I went outside just now and it reminded me. If you want to keep your hands away from your face. Either wear really short hair OR a tight fitting HAT.
Hats prevent those fine hairs from driving you nutz and therefore you do not feel the need to touch your face as often.comment imagecomment imagecomment image

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bakocarl
#363765

I should add that I’ve read about the opening of several drive through WuFlu test locations.

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Gail Combs
#363789

Very good Idea. Keeps the infection possibilities down to a minimum.

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bakocarl
#363761

Italy field update: I went from being mocked for worrying about the virus, to being called out for spreading panic.
Local Report: Italy
I was the first person in my circle to track news about the virus back in January, and I remember I was considered a nut sack for calmly saying that it would have been more considerate to wear a mask on flights (this was after the first dozens cases here in Italy). I was never overly worried, just cautious.
People who didn’t bother to prepare a little bit before and used to mock me then, are now into total panic mode. Today, I got told that I should not post reports and first hand account from Milan because people might panic uncontrollably. Apparently, some people I know who might have read my messages are panicking heavily. They are the same exact people who were saying “it’s just a flu” and are now suddenly realising how unprepared they are.
It’s important for you to know that I have always been a person who kept calm even in the most difficult situations (I have seen people die in front of my eyes in my life) and I underestimated the volatility of unprepared (both psychological and practical) people during this mess. This is a real threat: never underestimate the craziness of people. Do not expect them to act and think like you do.
The takeaway from my experience for you is this:
Be on guard with people who are mocking you now, during the upcoming crisis. These people are mentally unprepared for these scenarios and will freak out with all the nasty consequences.
Buy supplies now, in case you haven’t. If someone mocks you, just think about the panic they will find themselves when stores start to empty. Humans are still animals after all.
Be sure to be strong mentally. Think about the worst case scenarios and what can go wrong. Try to imagine problems and how you could find solutions. What if your city goes on lockdown? What if people panic in your neighbourhood? All of these mental preparation will make you tougher and will prevent you not to be one of those who panic at the last second.
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Italy field update: I went from being mocked for worrying about the virus, to being called out for spreading panic.
by u/retal1ator in China_Flu

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daughnworks247
#363763

Amen

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Gail Combs
#363781

I hope that is what we are doing here at the Q-Tree.
PREPARING for the worse case so we can handle it if it comes WITHOUT adding extra burden to the system. If this is nothing more than a cold, no harm done because we prepared EARLY.
…..
I STILL want to see Nancy Messonnier and her buddies in the CDC assigned to emptying bed pans in the ICU in the worst part of San FranFeces.

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bakocarl
#363766

Timely warning or fear mongering? Time will shortly tell.
‘We are 10 days away from the hospitals getting creamed,’ warns former homeland security adviser
The U.S. is a little more than a week away from a health care crisis related to the new coronavirus, according to the man who once advised President Donald Trump on how to respond to pandemics.
“We are 10 days from the hospitals getting creamed,” Tom Bossert, who was Trump’s homeland security adviser until he was ousted in 2018, told NBC News. Bossert was never replaced, and Trump eliminated the national security council jobs related to disease outbreaks.
In an op-ed in The Washington Post published Monday, Bossert said that unless the U.S. closes schools, halts public gatherings and takes other steps to reduce community transmission, the country is headed for the sort of crisis Italy is now facing, with hospitals overwhelmed by elderly people in need of critical care.
“Simply put, as evidence of human-to-human transmission becomes clear in a community, officials must pull the trigger on aggressive interventions,” Bossert wrote. “Time matters. Two weeks of delay can mean the difference between success and failure. Public health experts learned this in 1918 when the Spanish flu killed 50 million to 100 million people around the globe. If we fail to take action, we will watch our health-care system be overwhelmed.”
* https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/live-blog/coronavirus-updates-live-u-s-europe-brace-infection-spread-italy-n1153801/ncrd1154211#liveBlogHeader

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GA/FL
#363767

The coronavirus task force called out of a House inquiry to the White House for an emergency meeting.

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Gail Combs
#363768

VITAMIN C
and
SUPER BEETS! 😋
(H/T to da woolf)
In pill form.
The Leading Nitric Oxide Solution for Heart Health
*https://www.humann.com/get_neo40-1/?utm_medium=cpc&utm_source=bing&utm_campaign=RAD_Hosts&utm_content=Dennis-Prager_Beets&utm_term=Dennis%20beets%20super%20beet%20.com|e|kwd-73804755632094:loc-4109|c||73804862847215&utm_medium=cpc
(EXPENSIVE! 😕) I may just eat beets instead…. 🙃
Or spinach salad, with radishes & celery or lettuce or Chinese cabbage….
….
The Truth About Beet Juice
https://www.webmd.com/food-recipes/features/truth-about-beetroot-juice

….Beets are rich in natural chemicals called nitrates. Through a chain reaction, your body changes nitrates into nitric oxide, which helps with blood flow and blood pressure.
Beet Juice Benefits
In some studies, drinking about 2 cups of beet juice daily or taking nitrate capsules lowered blood pressure in healthy adults…
Beets are good sources of folate, potassium, vitamin C, fiber, and antioxidants, as well as nitrates.
Other good food sources of nitrates include spinach, radishes, lettuce, celery, and Chinese cabbage.
Eating beets won’t give you the same quantity of nitrates, because cooking hampers some of the nitrates, but it certainly is good for your health, says Marjorie Nolan, RD…

25 Nitrate Rich Foods, Ranked
(Looks like it’s time for planting salad fixin’s and eating plenty of salads!)
Top 18 are:
1. Arugula
2. Beet Juice
3. Rhubarb (WHERE’S Miss Daughn we want Rhubarb pie!)
4. Butter Leaf Lettuce
5. Spring Greens
6. Beet Greens
7. Oak Leaf Lettuce
8. Swiss Chard
9. Beets
10. Bok Choy
11. Carrots
12. Mustard Greens
13. Spinach
14. Chinese Cabbage (I’ll stick with my Bok Choy)
15. Winter Melon
16. Eggplant ( julienned, toss it in a salad raw, do the same with summer squash & zucchini)
17. Celery
18. Parsley
Can’t leave out the raw onions & broccoli in the salad and the garlic in the salad dressing…
>>>>>>
So now we know what to plant in our ‘quarantine’ garden.

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GA/FL
#363772

WHO is trying to foment PANIC and pronounces a Pandemic where there is none.

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GA/FL
#363774

This is why the White House virus task force abruptly left the House of Reps for an emergency meeting.
You can bet PDJT will lower a very big hammer on the WHO for this stupidity and falseness!!!

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GA/FL
#363775

The WHO is the health medical arm of the UN – and both are leftist propaganda organizations.

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GA/FL
#363776

Remember – the WHO criticized President Trump for shutting down travel to and from China!
This group needs to be disbanded.
Like the UN – they ignore and propound lies about real health problems and employ PC as a weapon against science and truth.

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bakocarl
#363779

I still see opinions that what some call prudent preparations for a possible deadly pandemic others call irresponsible overreaction and panic in the streets.
How can the billions of dollars of WuFlu preparation expense, travel restrictions, school closures and mass isolations be justified when WuFlu in the U.S. has only a little over 1,000 cases with just over 30 fatalities (*https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/) when, last year, CDC estimates the seasonal flu had 35,520,883 cases, 490,561 hospitalizations and 34,157 deaths (*https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/index.html) ?
Maybe the following will shed some light on the question.
14 studies of the reproduction number (R0) for WuFlu averaged 3.28 (*https://academic.oup.com/jtm/advance-article/doi/10.1093/jtm/taaa021/5735319), significantly higher than the seasonal flu, which has an Ro of 1.28 (*https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25186370).
Independent data from China and Italy both show an identical WuFlu case fatality rate (CFR) of 2.3% (*https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/32146445). The season flu has a CFR of just under 0.1% (*https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/2018-2019.html).
Additionally (not cited), around 20% of WuFlu patients require hospitalization and risk permanent lung damage.
I didn’t cherry pick data for high or low values, but to be average, median, representative . . . date that could very well be accepted by a reasonable person.
If we apply WuFlu findings to seasonal flu data, we get –
50,000,000 cases (small uptick due to much higher WuFlu Ro)
10,000,000 hospitalizations (based on ~ 20% rate) This is more than 10 times the number of hospital beds in the U.S. Unavailability of hospital beds will lead to many more deaths.
1,150,000 deaths (based on 2.3% CFR)
Those stats should justify the billions spent.

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Gail Combs
#363812

Italy is a prime example and Italy has MORE ICU beds/10,000 than we have here in the USA!
Also do not forget this seems to be from ONE Pakistani delivering Chinese take out KNOWING he was sick.
….
Yascha Mounk
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1237731864233807872.html
“The Italian College of Anesthesia, Analgesia, Resuscitation and Intensive Care just published the most extraordinary medical document I’ve ever seen. To help people from Germany to America understand what we’re about to face, I am publishing translated extracts here.
A week ago, Italy had so few cases of corona that it could give each stricken patient high-quality care.
Today, some hospitals are so overwhelmed that they simply cannot treat every patient. They are starting to do wartime triage.
Here’s the guidance for that. …

Recommendations:
1) The extraordinary criteria of admission and discharge are flexible and can be adapted in accordance with the local availability of resources.
These criteria apply to all patients in intensive care, not just those infected with CoVid-19. 
2) “Allocation is a very complex and delicate choice. […]
The foreseeable increase in mortality for clinical conditions not linked to the current epidemic due to the reduction of chirurgical activity and the scarcity of resources needs to be taken into consideration.” 
3) “It may become necessary to establish an age limit for access to intensive care.
This is not a value judgments but a way to provide extremely scarce resources to those who have the highest likelihood of survival and could enjoy the largest number of life-years saved.” 
“This is informed by the principle of maximizing benefits for the largest number….

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bakocarl
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At least 10 long-term care facilities in Washington state report coronavirus cases
Local Report: USA
Health officials in Washington state have announced that at least 10 long-term care facilities have reported positive COVID-19 cases.
King County Public Health Department said officials were working with the care facilities where residents and/or employees had tested positive for the novel coronavirus.
The health department said it was working to prevent further transmission and due to the volume of cases, was unable to provide additional detail beyond the names of the facilities.
Washington has 273 cases of coronavirus, more than any other US state, and 24 deaths.
*https://edition.cnn.com/world/live-news/coronavirus-outbreak-03-11-20-intl-hnk/h_9f9031035a893b13b60ceb2194838e15

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GA/FL
#363787

Wonder what the flu stats cases/deaths have been in Washington state during the same period.
And – wonder if the WA state coronavirus stats have been checked and validated with the CDC.

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MAGA Mom
#363790

Up from 7 yesterday to 9 cases as of today in TN.
Initial cases were from people who had traveled and now they have “given”/”shared” it with others (i.e. infected). It is very contagious and easily “given” (infectious).
There have been many affects – schools closed, events canceled, businesses affected.
Wonder why all business that can don’t immediately switch to telecommuting? Are they set up for telecommuting? Is there infrastructure in place? Do their systems have the bandwidth for all to suddenly telecommute?
https://www.tn.gov/health/cedep/ncov.html

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bakocarl
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An observation, of what import I don’t know, as I haven’t spent an large amount of time in the wonderful world of numerical analysis, but . . .
If you go to *https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/coronavirus-cases/, and scroll down to ‘Total Cases excluding mainland China’, you’ll see a nice, exponential graph of the growth of WuFlu cases outside of China.
The growth appears to be very closely following a very predictable pattern of exponential growth. Unless the data is fudged, as China did and is currently doing, this growth pattern should lend credibility that the input data represent a valid growth model. In this case, specifically and recently, the growth of total cases has been approximately 14-15% per day, which causes a doubling of cases about every 5 days.
Time will tell.
Observations by professional QTreeper number crunchers would be interesting.

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bakocarl
#363795

today has probably been the hardest day so far
Local Report: Italy
i’ve heard a friend who works in a hospital in Milan, not yet dealing with the infected, he tells me they’re teaching EVERYBODY they can to perform resuscitations and intensive care procedures and stories from other hospitals are nightmare fuel.
realistically last numbers tell we’re way past where Wuhan were, and we’re still late to react, we did little, we did it later and selfish and dumb people everywhere put the cherry on top of that. apparently we’re about to shut down EVERYTHING not essential and call for a curfew at least in lombardia. wich means that if it’s effective we won’t feel it before two weeks and the hospitals won’t feel it for at least a month. expect you’ll start hearing bad things, very bad from now on. i mean bad.
i had a realistic view of the situation so far, turn out i was probably optimistic. i’m starting to feel very dark. i expect similar things to happen all around europe in the next week or two, wich means services like supermarkets and food might have a hard time to keep food on shelves.
shit started to feel real for the last week, now it’s starting to feel scary.
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today has probably been the hardest day so far
by u/0fiuco in China_Flu

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bakocarl
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Why is almost no one worrying about the long-term health effects of COVID-19?
Discussion
Today I spoke with my son’s teacher about the schools’ vision and possible actions concerning COVID-19. I admire the guy, he is an intelligent person, but he just stood there laughing it away. He said people are overreacting and the disease is not that bad. He also said that because children seem to not get very sick he sees no reason why schools should close.
I could have given him a lot of reasons why schools should close nevertheless, but then all of a sudden something struck me.
This teacher is not the first intelligent person I spoke to and all of them seem to ignore the fact that this is a new virus of which the long-term health effects are -to my knowledge- pretty much unknown.
Maybe the first impression is only the elderly and weak succumb to it, but who is to say the long-term consequences of this virus might be devastating to everyone eventually? Stating it is just a bad flu seems like playing Russian roulette to me. And I am almost shocked that almost everyone I know seems to ignore this.
But maybe it is me. Maybe the long-term health effects are known after all and pose no threat? If so, please enlighten me.
In the meantime I have some info that possibly states otherwise.
WHO does not include “recovered” in their reports, poorly definedhttps://www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2019/situation-reports
New: “Recovered” drops dead, surge of reinfectionshttp://archive.is/MF0fv
28-Feb: Israeli “recovered” case tests positive againhttps://archive.is/TV8DS
28-Feb: South Korea “recovered” case reinfectedhttps://archive.is/Gv1iu
27-Feb: Xuzhou first case reinfected weeks after “recovery”https://archive.is/CuOtr
27-Feb: “Recovered” in Japan sick again: reinfected or dormanthttps://archive.is/HjykE
26-Feb: 14% of “recovered” in Guangdong test positive againhttps://archive.is/V6IgT
21-Feb: Patient reinfects himself after “recovery”https://archive.is/8Ppkx
19-Feb: “There is a likelihood of relapse”, expert sayshttps://archive.is/ABjjf
14-Feb: Reinfection possible and even deadlierhttps://archive.is/Iw58p
31-Jan: Patients can get reinfected, no immunity after “recovery”https://archive.is/W9vNf
Virus hides in neurons, indefinitely escapes recognitionhttp://archive.is/6NGuH
Virus invades nervous systemshttp://archive.is/qmc6U
The Role of Epidermal Growth Factor Receptor (EGFR) Signaling in SARS Coronavirus-Induced Pulmonary Fibrosis https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5507769/
The neuroinvasive potential of SARS-CoV2 may be at least partially responsible for the respiratory failure of COVID-19 patients https://www.researchgate.net/publication/339539238_The_neuroinvasive_potential_of_SARS-CoV2_may_be_at_least_partially_responsible_for_the_respiratory_failure_of_COVID-19_patients
ACE2 Expression in Kidney and Testis May Cause Kidney and Testis Damage After 2019-nCoV Infection https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.02.12.20022418v1
COVID-19 and the cardiovascular system https://www.nature.com/articles/s41569-020-0360-5
Mental Morbidities and Chronic Fatigue in Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome Survivors https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamainternalmedicine/fullarticle/415378
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Why is almost no one worrying about the long-term health effects of COVID-19?
by u/Borgheed in China_Flu

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Sylvia Avery
#363829

NO ONE talks about the long term effects……I’ve heard it affects the Central Nervous System and permanently damages the lungs.
As for the kids? Remember the photos from China of several kids being stuffed into one body bag???

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daughnworks247
#363830

New info posted on the thread as more and more medical papers are published and Doc’s share info across the world.
Autopsies reveal severe damage to the lower lungs as the disease hinders the alveoli.
No specific word on permanent damage.
Second, the T Cells are “exhausted” leaving the immune system weakened. T Cells are what the Lymphatic system sends out to attack “bad cells” in the body. The T Cells are the soldiers.
Details found in section entitled “What we know about coronavirus”

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bakocarl
#363797

Italian nurse describes her daily routine fighting coronavirus in an ICU
Local Report: Italy
Source:

Warm, muggy …. feeling of shortness of breath, droplets of sweat falling from the face, a face that you feel melting under the FP3 mask, the plastic glasses, the visor, the cap; wrapped in a waterproof coat maybe two more sizes because yours is not there, under these layers a body that must move, must be fast and snappy, must perform emergency maneuvers … “The patient must be intubated” .. . “it’s desaturating”[not enough oxygen in body tissues] …. “it’s hypotensive” [low blood pressure] … run, keep sweating … prepare the drug with two pairs of gloves that limit your habitual hand movements … sweat again and again after hours gone by so you can’t breathe but you can’t drink, you can’t rest, you can’t pee dressed like that ….
In all this the anxiety of contaminating yourself by making the gestures that you were trained to do, this anxiety is the background to every maneuver, every thought, every action you have to perform, you have to constantly repeat that you can no longer touch your head if the elastic band for your hair hurts, if your nose itches you bear, if you have that unbearable rebreathing in your mask you continue to breathe in again and again and finish your job …
“go broncoaspirate” you get closer, perform the maneuvers to free the airways from the secretions, you are very close and the anxiety of those evil droplets increases when you do such invasive procedures but in the end the patient breathes better, and you too start breathing better …
The relief is to see saturations [oxygen levels] that rise, pressures that stabilize, diuresis [urination] that resume (our daily missions) … the effort to keep in stable conditions who is not stable … patients who seem to have come out with the stencil: severe respiratory insufficiencies … and you go on and on, drop after drop of sweat, breathlessness, worry and a few jokes with colleagues to chase away the fear … fear that constantly hovers but that does not stop some of us from showing up for work tocope with this Covid19 emergency ….
Working in such a situation and still finding videos and messages on the net (of more or less well-known characters but also of people with whom I simply have a friendship on FB) who underestimate the phenomenon, learning of open markets, new assaults on supermarkets. does make me wonder “but for WHOM am I risking the infection every shift that passes, every hour of my life?”
For those who still underestimate the thing, for those who say “I am young and I will not get sick” I tell you that this is not the case, I touch it with my hand every day and I would almost like to do a nice GF in our UCI.
To the question “why am I going to work?” I answer that I do it morally for all people who have become “side effects” of others’ irresponsibility and obligatorily because our health system at this moment cannot do without US (if I could I would be on a tropical island trust me).
Hot, sultry, sweat …. it’s time to undress … and you have to be even more meticulous than when you dress because now you are “dirty” and you don’t have to touch the clean parts of your body …. the colleague looks at you …. at the beginning you do it in two because this practice was not in your ordinary routine before the crisis …. take off the waterproof gown with the first pair of gloves …. you ball everything to not touch the in front …. you don’t have to and you can’t get dirty … remove the rest (which is now stuck to your body) with as much parsimony and care.
Follow the procedure with the constant anxiety to touch maybe that thread of hair that accidentally came out of the cap or the eyes that burn and tear from the heat … go ahead and get undressed, the feeling of freedom felt is difficult to describe. .. you wash your hands, now worn from the many times you have already spent with alcohol-based products ….
Now you are clean but you feel so tired and sticky that you would like to immediately enter the shower …. a beautiful dream … but you know you can’t because you may have another 6 hours shift and in half an hour you will have to get dressed and repeat that agony all over again… you take advantage of the break to drink (not too much so as not to risk having to go to the bathroom when you are then dressed), to eat a snack and pee after you have been holding it for an hour … “in the short time you have to stay out because you know that the person who in full crisis has gone to the carnival to throw confetti is in the big room waiting for you as well as the poor chronically ill who has always respected the rules! But we do not make these distinctions within the walls of a hospital …. the ultimate goal is always CARE as far as possible!
…. Then take a deep breath … look for the strength you have inside, you look in the mirror and your eyes return a face that does not even seem like yours, so tired and marked … with that face you will have to return at home at the end of the shift to your family, exhausted, with the burden on the shoulders of RESPONSIBILITY, the thought of being in direct contact (even if with protective equipment) with the Virus has led you for weeks now to avoid contact with fragile family members, friends, acquaintances, small children … with the perpetual feeling of losing “pieces of life” of those around you, staying in a limbo imposed by your role in this crisis with the awareness that the next day the alarm will sound, interrupting your agitated dreams to tell you that it is time to return to the field again.
P.S: I didn’t even know whether to attach the picture … it’s my ugliest photo in history and I won’t be at the top for the aesthetic standards imposed by social media but this is REALITY
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Italian nurse describes her daily routine fighting coronavirus in an ICU
by u/jblackmiser in China_Flu

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GA/FL
#363799

So far – there is no practical evidence within the US of the veracity of that statement by Dr. Fauci.
It has been several months – since the first week of January, when President Trump stopped travel from China – and we only have 24 deaths in the USA – most if not all are people of advanced age and/or with underlying serious health conditions. Maybe it hasn’t been long enough, but after 2-1/2 months, there is no sign of rampant runaway contagion or community spread or many deaths.

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GA/FL
#363800

Here are the current Florida statistics after 2-1/2 months:
2019 Novel Coronavirus (COVID-19) as of 11:26 a.m. ET 3/11/2020
Positive Cases of COVID-19
21 – Florida Residents
5 – Florida Cases Repatriated*
2 – Non-Florida resident
Deaths
2 – Florida Residents
Number of Negative Test Results
301
Number of Pending Test Results
147
Number of People Under Public Health Monitoring
353 – currently being monitored
1230 – people monitored to date
Of the 28 confirmed cases in FL – 26 were either passengers or worked for cruise lines. The other two were in port cities and the source of their infection is not yet known.
Beyond Florida, even in the states with the most cases, we do not see a more dangerous, crippling, rampant pandemic picture. So far, it has not impacted any community as much as the common flu has already done.
Why did it spread so quickly in Asia, Iran and Italy? Do we have better health and sanitation systems and personal hygienic practices as a whole than these countries? Or are Westerners more resistant to this disease than Asians or less likely to be heavy smokers?

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bakocarl
#363801

Per *https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ –
USA
WuFlu Total Dead (37) divided by Total Cases (1,275) = 0.029 = 2.9%
Seasonal Flu CFR = 0.1%
2.9% divided by 0.1% = 29
WuFlu is 29 times more lethal than Seasonal Flu by the current data.

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kalbokalbs
#363805

Guessing a realistic number will be arrived at in time. Perhaps these numbers a bit skewed by WA old folks home, imported Corona from cruise ships or Wuhan. Also, guessing a statistician would refute the comparison. But then again, we can make statistics support a narrative.

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bakocarl
#363810

Numbers are definitely skewed and premature. Let’s reality is really low.

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kalbokalbs
#363803

Absolutely dismayed Fauci stated Corona is 10X more lethal than seasonal flu. Had thought he was a straight shooter.
IF he said that in regard to 80 year olds with other health issues. I’d assume he is correct.
But everything we’ve been reading the past six weeks or so, I’d have to say he mis-spoke, or it was absolutely taken out of context.
OR, the way Chinese warehoused or locked up Corona patients, yea 10X or worse.
Calling BS on, Dr. Anthony Fauci: “It is ten times more lethal than the seasonal flu.”
It’ll be all over MCM and WILL be debunked. Doesn’t take medical or health training to recognize this as BS.

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bakocarl
#363806

Fauci has a reasonable probability of his statement being true because the CFR of Seasonal Flu is so low (0.1%) or 1 out of 1,000. Other available data says that 20% of WuFlu patients need hospitalization. I believe about a quarter or third of those need mechanical assistance in breathing . . . that usually means paralytics and intubation . . . things getting pretty serious here. So, if only one out of a hundred people that get WuFlu die, then Fauci’s statement is true.

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kalbokalbs
#363807

Happy to be wrong. We’ll see how this plays out over the next few weeks, month or two.

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bakocarl
#363809

Yeah. A CFR of 0.0 would be really nice!

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Gail Combs
#363814

Well Fauci should know what the actual CFR is since his National Institutes of Health FUNDED the development of the Wuhan Virus at the University of North Carolina along with CHINA!
https://www.naturalnews.com/2020-02-20-full-transcript-smoking-gun-interview-prof-frances-boyle-coronavirus-bioweapons.html

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kalbokalbs
#363816

Understand.
Would think we are way too early to make those sort of conclusions with qualifying them. Such as testing is ramping up. Will have significant more positives. Would think, death rates will drop as more age groups are determined positive.
I am probably out to lunch. Just don’t see the conclusion Fauci came to without qualifying. Only six or so weeks into this drill, minimal testing, majority of deaths from Wuhan, cruise ships and old folks homes. Data seems massively skewed in the short term.

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daughnworks247
#363818

Sec Azar this afternoon.
Testing was ALWAYS available.
NEVER hindered.
Just had to go through CDC.
Locals didn’t like that, wanted something faster.
Okay, we gave it to them via private labs, but we LOSE control of the data.
Sec Azar is working on requiring private labs to report NOW.

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daughnworks247
#363821

I’ve read every single article you guys have posted on this issue. Had to for the Cabal Coronavirus thread.
Everything I see from actual medical studies indicates we’re looking at about a 4/10ths of 1% death rate.
Which is 4 times more deadly than seasonal flu.
Problem is, by the time the get to the hospital, for the elderly it’s almost too late. Intubation and FORCED oxygen, under pressure, is necessary. They cannot breath with a regular oxygen mask.

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kalbokalbs
#363823

Well that sucks, death rate that is. Maybe the plasma treatment will pan out in our favor. Also, whatever treatment it was that saved one of the first WA Corona patients.

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daughnworks247
#363824

Good thing is we’re halfway through March, flu season is pretty much overwith in the south.
It’s getting warmer.
Fatty lipids which hold the virus together will destabilize.
Problem is, we need to stop it before it heads into the southern hemisphere at the beginning of their winter.

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jamcooker
#363802

WA gov Inslee implemented these recommendations today, or maybe late last night.
*https://edition.cnn.com/world/live-news/coronavirus-outbreak-03-11-20-intl-hnk/h_9f9031035a893b13b60ceb2194838e15
A lot of the recommendations involve masks. Anybody who’s been paying attention knows that most masks are not effective.
On a personal note, DH was to go to a rehab facility, and I was given a list. “Pick 2” became “Pick 3” and the one I sure as HELL did not want was the one he ended up at. Being that time was short to rearrange things, he spent 24- hrs at that one facility and I was able to get him home several days ago. I am so glad I got him home because looking at what Inslee has done with regards to places that care for more elderly, he would have been stuck there. Within that 24 hrs, he had been abused by an attendant as well, which we reported.
He arrived at the facility late afternoon one day, and left late afternoon the next. He told me that they were busy cleaning the day he left. He did say that he didn’t think they had anybody sick there and it is not on the list.

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MAGA Mom
#363804

WOW – wuhan flu is moving fast! Hard to believe it all started in the US only 7 short weeks ago!
First Wuhan Flu in US was in Washington state 7 weeks ago yesterday, reported on January 21, a man who traveled from Wuhan.
Less than 2 months they now have 257 known cases and it has been declared endemic in the state.
For all of the US, as of 3/11: Of the cases traced in the US, 92 cases are travel related, 75 are “close contact” and 771 are still under investigation – not obviously travel related…becoming endemic. 🙁
3/5: TN has first case. Now, 9 and others under observation + more waiting test results. 4 seem to have caught it independently of each other and several seem to have caught it from the original 4…but details are scant. At least some of the cases have caught it from the original travelers. In 1 short week we went from Zero cases to universities, schools and events being canceled and multiple cases.
https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/danvergano/coronavirus-first-us-case-washington
https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2020/p0121-novel-coronavirus-travel-case.html
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cases-in-us.html
Amazing to read this timeline in wikipedia.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_coronavirus_pandemic_in_the_United_States#State_number_of_reported_cases_by_date
First NY case was only 12 days ago! Of course, he had been infected for days before that and had been unknowingly spreading it.
Until 14 days ago, the first 5 weeks we only had cases from China travel and cases directly transmitted from those people to family Most were people that were known to come from China and so they were monitored and knew to self quarantine.
Seems like the huge weak link was the sudden explosion of cases in Italy and many people traveling from Italy not realizing they were high risk so not monitoring and self isolating as the people traveling from Wuhan were more likely to do.
In less than just over 14 days the US has gone from a handful of specific cases, mostly travel related to an explosion of cases transmitted from original carriers to the community and now it is in communities. SO FAST – the speed surprises me!
I was telling someone today that being in the early stages of the exponential growth seeing a lion charing that is 300 yards away…we don’t think no problem as he is 900 feet away! We see that he is charging and act now v. when he is 300, 200 or 100 feet away.
The charts and the graphs of the timeline bring home the seriousness of the situation even more than the mere numbers bring it home to me.

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Gail Combs
#363819

The problem is the CDC RESISTED doing as President Trump directed. Since he is NOT a doctor he was stuck with the advice of Obama/Clinton embeds.
Also never forget ALL the CHINESE planes traveling DIRECT from Wuhan to San Francisco and to NYC minimum once a day for two months (December and January) carrying 140 people each. That’s a MINIMUM of 15,000 possible carriers.

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daughnworks247
#363827

Understood.
Protocols in place, set in motion during Obam Ebola made sense. Ship the samples back to CDC for testing.
In this virus, there are so many infected, we’ve been overrun by bad media, and idiots who think a CV test is like a pregnancy test.

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Concerned Virginian
#363808

University of Virginia going to online classes and stopping “in vivo” classes until further notice.
University of North Carolina system is “transitioning” to online-only classes as soon as possible.
Duke University closed until April 10. Their Spring Break is extended by one week.
Dayton University (OH) stopping all classes and closing residence halls. All residents of these halls are to have left campus by 6PM today.

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Gail Combs
#363813

Coronavirus live updates: Number of reported cases in North Carolina rises to 7
https://www.newsobserver.com/news/local/article241051656.html
NOTICE THE BAIT AND SWITCH in these sentences.
“…North Carolina hasn’t gotten additional coronavirus test kits from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, according to a letter federal lawmakers sent to Vice President Mike Pence on Wednesday.
State health officials have said “supplies for test kits are not yet adequate for the expected demand,” the lawmakers wrote….”
The majority of test kits are NOT coming from the CDC they are coming from independent companies.
Later they say:
“…NEW CASES REPORTED
Five North Carolina residents are in isolation after they tested positive for COVID-19, Wake County said Monday. The new patients tested “presumptive positive,” and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is set to run second tests on them….”
The rest of the article talks of University closings festival cancellation, two private schools closing for deep cleaning….

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Sadie Slays
#363815

Hand of Sauroman spotted in the Tom Hanks Instagram post about WuFlu.comment imagecomment image

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Sadie Slays
#363817

(I’m intensely interested in how hand symbolism always tends to show up in major false flags, but that’s another thread entirely.)

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Sadie Slays
#363820

Just remembered that Tom Hanks was in Pittsburgh when the synagogue false flag happened, too.

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daughnworks247
#363825

Well…….. he is Forrest Gump.

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Sadie Slays
#363822

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kalbokalbs
#363826

At some point, after the Corona crisis in the US peaks and recedes a bit, ChiComs have got to be called out and massively penalized. President Trump is the guy to do so. Betting President Trump will bitch slap China as they have never been bitch slapped.
– Corona unleashed. ChiComs denied, lied and continues to lie.
– Why have so many viruses originated in China?
Time China pays for their evil actions.

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Sylvia Avery
#363828

Apologize, I don’t have time to read back and see if this was posted already. If you click on the link, inside it is another link to click that takes you to an online WuFlu assessment. Just in case you have a dry cough and are wondering…….
https://www.insidehook.com/daily_brief/health-and-fitness/telehealth-companies-are-facilitating-free-online-coronavirus-assessments

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michaelh
#363831

From Eagle Forum:
What Children Learn from Our Hysteria
https://eagleforum.org/publications/insights/what-children-learn-from-our-hysteria.htmlcomment image

Editor’s Note:
Reactions to the coronavirus (COVID-19) have created alarming ripple effects in ways that might not be apparent to many people unless someone thoughtfully points them out. No one wants to be dismissive of real health threats, but facts and clear thinking are important. Dr. Abdu Sharkawy, an Infectious Diseases Specialist at the University of Toronto, offers wise counsel in approaching this virus. Pat Daugherty, Ed.D.

March 11, 2020

Message from a Doctor About Coronavirus
I’m a doctor and an Infectious Diseases Specialist. I’ve been at this for more than 20 years seeing sick patients on a daily basis. I have worked in inner-city hospitals and in the poorest slums of Africa. HIV-AIDS, Hepatitis, TB, SARS, Measles, Shingles, Whooping cough, Diphtheria…there is little I haven’t been exposed to in my profession. And with the notable exception of SARS, very little has left me feeling vulnerable, overwhelmed or downright scared.
I am not scared of Covid-19. I am concerned about the implications of a novel infectious agent that has spread the world over and continues to find new footholds in different soil. I am rightly concerned for the welfare of those who are elderly, in frail health or disenfranchised who stand to suffer most, and disproportionately, at the hands of this new scourge. But I am not scared of Covid-19.
What I am scared about is the loss of reason and wave of fear that has induced the masses of society into a spellbinding spiral of panic, stockpiling obscene quantities of anything that could fill a bomb shelter adequately in a post-apocalyptic world. I am scared of the N95 masks that are stolen from hospitals and urgent care clinics where they are actually needed for front line healthcare providers and instead are being donned in airports, malls, and coffee lounges, perpetuating, even more, fear and suspicion of others. I am scared that our hospitals will be overwhelmed with anyone who thinks they “probably don’t have it but may as well get checked out no matter what because you just never know…” and those with heart failure, emphysema, pneumonia, and strokes will pay the price for overfilled ER waiting rooms with only so many doctors and nurses to assess.
I am scared that travel restrictions will become so far-reaching that weddings will be canceled, graduations missed and family reunions will not materialize. And well, even that big party called the Olympic Games…that could be kyboshed too. Can you even imagine?
I’m scared those same epidemic fears will limit trade, harm partnerships in multiple sectors, business and otherwise and ultimately culminate in a global recession.
But mostly, I’m scared about what message we are telling our kids when faced with a threat. Instead of reason, rationality, open-mindedness and altruism, we are telling them to panic, be fearful, suspicious, reactionary and self-interested.
Covid-19 is nowhere near over. It will be coming to a city, a hospital, a friend, even a family member near you at some point. Expect it. Stop waiting to be surprised further. The fact is the virus itself will not likely do much harm when it arrives. But our own behaviors and “fight for yourself above all else” attitude could prove disastrous.
I implore you all. Temper fear with reason, panic with patience and uncertainty with education. We have an opportunity to learn a great deal about health hygiene and limiting the spread of innumerable transmissible diseases in our society. Let’s meet this challenge together in the best spirit of compassion for others, patience, and above all, an unfailing effort to seek truth, facts and knowledge as opposed to conjecture, speculation and catastrophizing.
Facts not fear. Clean hands. Open hearts.
Our children will thank us for it.
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Abdu Sharkawy, MD, is an Infectious Diseases Specialist with the University Health Network, Department of Medicine (Infectious Diseases), in Toronto, Ontario.

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I have posted on this and other threads that I have tried multiple times to order Chinese take-out from my favorite local place, to no avail. It isn’t for lack of trying on my part.
This evening, I took my wife and kids to a local Italian restaurant for the evening as a treat.
My favorite Korean BBQ is in the Denver area, which I have not traveled to since December, and certainly I’m limiting my travel right now.
Of course, going out to eat at restaurants is not exactly the best practice for prepping for quarantine.
Meanwhile, AOC comes up with some crazy clap-trap to guilt-bomb us with.
While I eat beef and steak. Delicious, American beef. BURP.
AOC Says People Aren’t Eating at Chinese Restaurants Because of ‘Straight Up Racism’
Brittany M. Hughes , @RealBrittHughes
March. 11. 2020
https://www.mrctv.org/blog/aoc-says-people-arent-eating-chinese-restaurants-because-straight-racism

In Episode 427 of the Progressive Left’s favorite show “Everything Is Racist,” N.Y. Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez now says people aren’t eating at Chinese restaurants due to “straight up racism” over the Coronavirus.
“There’s a lot of restaurants that are feeling the pain of racism,” AOC alleged in a video uploaded to social media.
“People are literally not patroning Chinese restaurants, they’re not patroning Asian restaurants because of just straight up racism around the Coronavirus,” she went on.
https://twitter.com/EddieZipperer/status/1237689617819762688
The left has seized upon the opportunity to accuse the right of “racism” for pointing out that the Coronavirus originated in Wuhan, China. Despite the fact that other illnesses have been named after their places of origin (Ebola, Lyme disease, SARS and MERS, for example), leftists have been quick to point fingers at the Trump administration and Republican politicians for dubbing the Coronavirus the “Wuhan virus,” saying the moniker is somehow discriminatory against the Chinese.

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Oh and not to be outdone . . .
Rep. Ilhan Omar Says It’s ‘Racist’ to Call COVID-19 the ‘Chinese Coronavirus’
Jason Hopkins / @thejasonhopkins / March 11, 2020
https://www.dailysignal.com/2020/03/11/rep-ilhan-omar-says-its-racist-to-call-covid-19-the-chinese-coronavirus/comment image

Democratic Minnesota Rep. Ilhan Omar on Tuesday said it is “racist” to refer to COVID-19 as the “Chinese coronavirus” in response to the House GOP leader making such a distinction.
GOP House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy on Monday tweeted a link to a Centers for Disease Control webpage that provides detailed information about the COVID-19 virus that is spreading across the country.
“Everything you need to know about the Chinese coronavirus can be found on one, regularly-updated website,” McCarthy wrote in his tweet.
The CDC provides readers with a treasure trove of information, including categories such as “What You Should Know,” “Situation Updates,” and other general information.
However, Omar took offense to McCarthy’s message.
“Viruses don’t have nationalities,” the first-term congresswoman declared. “This is racist.”
Omar took issue with the fact that McCarthy was using a description that connected the virus to China—where the disease first originated. Omar is far from the first individual to cry foul at such geographic-centered nomenclatures for COVID-19.
“Just astoundingly gross to call it the Wuhan Virus,” Chris Hayes, an MSNBC news anchor, tweeted on Sunday. The liberal show host was reacting to Arizona GOP Rep. Paul Gosar calling it the “Wuhan Virus.”
“Also, calling #COVID19 the Wuhan Virus is an example of the myopia that allowed it to spread in the US. The virus is not constrained by country or race. Be just as stupid to call it the Milan Virus,” California Democratic Rep. Ted Lieu said Sunday, also in response to Gosar.
However, there is a long history of naming diseases after the location in which they first originated.
For example, the West Nile virus is named after the region where it first emerged in the 1930s—the West Nile district of Northern Uganda. MERS, a well-known condition by a virus that first emerged in 2012, stands for Middle East Respiratory Syndrome.
Additionally, there was the Spanish flu that swept the entire globe in the early 20th century, killing millions.
COVID-19 was first identified in late 2019 in Wuhan, a populous city located in inner China. It has since spread to most areas of the globe, including the U.S.

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NY Times reporter expresses concern about hotel employees, not CPAC attendees
by Spencer Irvine on March 9, 2020
https://www.aim.org/aim-column/ny-times-reporter-expresses-concern-about-hotel-employees-not-cpac-attendees/comment image

A New York Times reporter tweeted her thoughts about an event attendee possibly spreading the coronavirus at the annual Conservative Political Action Conference, but she neglected to mention any concern for conservatives at the conference.

Elizabeth Williamson, who works as a D.C. bureau writer for the New York Times, said, “Dear people celebrating an illness on here: CPAC is held in one of the DC area’s biggest convention venues. Many people work and attend events including kids, older people, reporters, waitstaff, janitorial crew. Please don’t become what you hate.”
Her tweet condemned the behavior of several social media users who tweeted their pleasure at conservatives possibly contracting the coronavirus, but she did not mention how the conservative conference attendees were also at risk. Her tweet highlighted her concern for convention center employees, fellow reporters, and janitors and custodial crew while ignoring the conservative attendees or the conservative lawmakers attending the conference.
So far, multiple conservative lawmakers have self-quarantined after learning they made contact with an attendee who tested positive for coronavirus.
Sen. Ted Cruz (Texas) and Reps. Doug Collins (Ga.), and Paul Gosar (Ariz.) have self-quarantined after discussing it with their staff and federal health officials.
Their self-quarantines portrayed Williamson’s tweet in a negative light because she omitted her concern for conservative attendees. Her tweet called into question whether she harbors a political bias against conservatives by omitting them from her tweet.
She has not yet issued an apology or a statement to clarify her initial remarks, but she should clarify it to avoid garnering mistrust from conservatives. Her employer, the New York Times, has been accused of publishing “fake news” by President Donald Trump and other conservatives, and her tweet added more criticism that the newspaper favors liberals over conservatives.

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Why New York’s Hand Sanitizer Stunt Won’t Work
New York may be a hand sanitizer provider today, but it cannot survive in that business for long.
Wednesday, March 11, 2020
Richard N. Lorenc | March 11, 2020
https://fee.org/articles/why-new-york-s-hand-sanitizer-stunt-won-t-work/comment image

As new cases of COVID-19 continue to be diagnosed in the U.S. and abroad, New York Governor Andrew Cuomo on Monday announced the state is prepared to introduce its own brand of hand sanitizer, free of charge, called NYS Clean hand sanitizer.
At the press conference unveiling the brand, Cuomo remarked, “This is a superior product to products now on the market” because it has 75 percent alcohol content, compared to 70 percent for commercial products such as Purell. Plus, the governor offered, it has a “very nice floral bouquet.”
The Hill reports:

New York will distribute its product to government agencies, including schools, the Metropolitan Transportation Authority and prisons.
Cuomo said creating and distributing the product is cheaper for the state than purchasing competing brands.

New York State is making the move to challenge what it perceives to be inaction by companies such as Amazon, eBay, and even the manufacturers themselves in addressing price gouging in the sale of these products. Price gouging is the practice of raising the price of a good or service to an unreasonably high amount when that good or service is in very high demand. The logic goes that companies and resellers do this in order to make a larger profit on their sales during emergencies when consumers have little choice but to pay.
The announcement of New York State’s own hand sanitizer prompts two questions relevant to the economics of emergencies such as ours:
1. Why does price gouging occur, and;
2. If it’s such a good idea now, why doesn’t New York State make and distribute hand sanitizer normally?
Prices
To tackle price gouging, we must first explore prices.
Professor Steve Horwitz calls prices “information wrapped in an incentive.” By that, he means that prices are far from arbitrary numbers. Rather, they tell us many things about the goods or services to which they are attached, such as value and opportunity.
When we, as individuals, are presented with a choice of how to use our scarce resources, we consider our own understanding of the value and opportunity of that choice.
* Is this the best value I can get for my dollar?
* What are the alternatives competing for my dollar?
* Can I get this good less expensively somewhere else (and will the time and gas spent on getting there make it worth it)?
* Can I do a better job producing this good for people (and make some money in the process)?
* Sometimes we don’t ask ourselves these exact questions, but, in a market economy where prices are truthful reflections of the supply and demand of a given product, we automatically think in these terms.
Professor Horwitz writes more on the importance of market prices:

First, the price enables people to make informed decisions about whether the want they wish to satisfy is urgent enough to justify using scarce resources to do so. When the price of a good goes up, we have to consider carefully whether our desired use of the good is worth it or not. This feature of market prices helps to ensure that goods get allocated to their most valued uses.

This brings us to price gouging.
Price Gouging
The best way to understand price gouging critically is to understand what happens when laws against it are enforced, such as during a natural disaster. Anti-gouging laws, designed to help consumers avoid exploitation, are effectively price ceilings on certain goods. When a price ceiling exists for gasoline, for example, the price is not allowed to respond to increased demand, making the price artificially low. In this situation, a low price for gasoline will make it easier for the first consumers at the gas station to “over-consume,” meaning pumping more gas than they actually need at the moment.
This over-consumption then lowers the available supply for the next gas customer, who might not be able to fill her tank for her actual needs. In emergency situations such as natural disasters, the fact that some have hoarded a given supply for a good such as gasoline can affect people’s actual lives.
If, however, the price of gas was allowed to rise as its demand increases, the person who might otherwise fill his car and three extra gas cans might only fill his car half-way because that is the actual amount he needs. That permits other consumers to make similar choices based on how expensive the gas is to them.
During the COVID-19 situation, New York State is worried that some consumers will be exploited because sellers of goods such as hand sanitizer might take advantage of the situation for their own gain. But we must remember that, as bits of information wrapped in incentives, the higher prices for hand sanitizer are telling us many things, such as that many people want hand sanitizer and that we should save some for others, along with the fact that entrepreneurs could easily see an opportunity to bring more hand sanitizer into New York to give consumers an alternative. When competition emerges, those offering hand sanitizer at very high prices will either have to lower their prices to compete or be stuck holding a bunch more hand sanitizer than they could reasonably use.
Hand Sanitizer
Which brings us to New York State’s new hand sanitizer enterprise. It’s easy to say that the unveiling today was a ploy to get TV airtime, but look below the surface and ask yourself: If New York State can make a superior hand sanitizer product today, why don’t they make it every day, and why not before?
The answer is, they can’t.
New York State is equipped, at most, for small scale production of a consumer good such as hand sanitizer. They have few factories, no real marketing capabilities, and even less business acumen than their private-sector competitors.
So how are they able to produce it today and just give it away?
Simple: They are using prison labor for as low as 16 cents per hour in a state where the normal minimum wage is $15 per hour.
Operating outside of the market system – i.e., in prison with actual captives as workers – New York is competitive, for a moment, with companies such as Purell. This business model, however, is unsustainable and will quickly crumble the moment that private producers ramp up supply to meet higher demand and offer to the public what is bound to be a superior product after all.
New York may be a hand sanitizer provider today, but it cannot survive in that business for long, a fact for which, despite a brief and possibly helpful increase in the supply of hand sanitizer, we should all be grateful.
The rules of economics do not change simply because a natural disaster, terrorist attack, or pandemic occurs. They exist above and throughout human events and can be used as tools to help people live healthy, convenient, and long lives, if only we don’t stand in their way.
Oh, and please don’t forget to wash your hands.

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If I get sick with coronavirus, can Donald Trump make me stay home?
March 10, 2020 1.29pm EDT Updated March 10, 2020 6.49pm EDT
https://theconversation.com/if-i-get-sick-with-coronavirus-can-donald-trump-make-me-stay-home-133047comment image

President Donald Trump recently appointed Vice President Mike Pence to lead the government’s response to the COVID-19 outbreak and control public statements by government health officials about the crisis.
In the days since, health departments throughout the country have investigated potential cases, announced new cases and declared public health emergencies, all without the approval of the vice president.
So who really is in charge of the outbreak response?
As with most things in American government, the answer is complicated.comment image
Power to the states
Some framers of the Constitution were concerned about giving the federal government too much power, so the 10th Amendment reserves to the states any powers not specifically delegated to the federal government in the U.S. Constitution.
The federal government is responsible for preventing infectious disease threats from entering the country and moving from state to state. This is why the federal government could quarantine U.S. citizens returning to the country from Wuhan, China for 14 days.
States are responsible for protecting the health of people within their borders. So once the federal quarantine was completed and the travelers entered their communities, the job of monitoring them and their contacts fell to the states.
This is why the response to the same situation may seem different in each state: It is.
When states implement isolation (keeping sick people away from everyone else) or quarantine (keeping well, but potentially exposed, people away from everyone else), they do it based on state laws. Public health professionals might agree that each state needs to take the same action, but each state will do so according to its own laws.
Another complexity is that states decide how much power to give counties, cities and other localities in their states to address outbreaks like COVID-19 as well as other public health issues. So those agencies will also make their own decisions that can appear separate from federal and state policies.
Some states have no local health departments and others have hundreds of them. Some states have only county health departments and others have health departments in individual cities.
Practically, this means that even though the federal government plays an important role, the job of protecting the health of the public ultimately rests with individual states.
Money: A major challenge
A 2019 report by the Trust for America’s Health, which describes itself as a “nonpartisan public health policy, research, and advocacy organization,” found that funding for the federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention “has not kept pace with the nation’s growing public health needs and emerging threats.” The agency’s budget fell nearly 10% over the past decade after adjusting for inflation.
In recent days, Congress has passed a US$8.3 billion coronavirus response bill, which includes $2.2 billion for the CDC to “prevent, prepare for, and respond to coronavirus, domestically or internationally.”comment image
If public health is a local responsibility, it certainly has not been funded that way. On average, local communities spend about $48 per citizen on public health each year, with only about half of it coming from local sources. The rest is funded by the federal government or through fees charged directly to patients for clinical services. Additionally, local health departments have lost 43,000 employees, or 22% of the local public health workforce, since the Great Recession in 2007-2009.
The coronavirus funding bill passed by Congress includes $950 million to assist state and local health departments. This is especially welcome news to state health departments already stretched thin by the day-to-day public health activities designed to prevent and identify outbreaks in the first place.
While public health is rooted in prevention, funding for public health activities often comes only once the emergency has occurred. As a public health practitioner and scholar, it’s clear to me that it is impossible to prevent disease if the money to fight an outbreak arrives only once an outbreak is already spreading in the community.
How does anything ever get done?
When an outbreak occurs, even a global pandemic takes on unique characteristics in each community. Communities differ in size, climate, average age and the kind of activities that are popular, among other things. That affects how disease spreads. The strength of the current system is that state and local public health agencies understand and reflect their communities.
Local health departments in the U.S. were formed in response to local needs as early as the late 18th century, decades before federal public health agencies were established.
Local health departments interview sick people and work with local doctors and labs to identify and track disease.
State health departments often perform these functions as well, but also coordinate local responses, provide technical and financial assistance to the local health departments and run the public health laboratories.
The federal government supports and complements the work being done at the state and local level. It provides the scientific understanding of the virus, develops laboratory tests, implements quarantines for international travelers, works with governments inside and outside the U.S. to understand the spread of disease and provides money and other critical resources.
Public health professionals at every level of government know their role and rely on the professionals at other levels to help with the things that are outside of their control.
Surprisingly, the system often works well. There is a great deal of coordination and information sharing between the levels about how best to respond.
That’s not to say they always agree.
There can be extensive, and sometimes heated, discussions about what should be done. While the debates usually happen in private, sometimes they spill over into the public eye, such as when New York Governor Andrew Cuomo called the federal government’s response to the coronavirus outbreak “absurd and nonsensical.”
Ultimately, the decision to take a public health action, such as to quarantine a patient, is made with the same, shared backdrop of science – no matter where it occurs.
So, no, if you get sick with coronavirus, Donald Trump cannot make you stay home. But a government official in your community can, because that is how the system works.
Correction: This article has been updated to correct that the federal government is responsible for preventing infectious disease threats from entering the country, not the county.

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Experts: China Carving Lungs Out of Political Prisoners to Treat Coronavirus
by EDWIN MORA 11 Mar 2020
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/03/11/experts-china-carving-lungs-out-of-political-prisoners-to-treat-coronavirus/comment image

WASHINGTON, DC — China is likely using lungs taken from living political prisoners to treat coronavirus patients, a doctoral researcher told Breitbart News, confirming revelations by a Chinese labor camp survivor during an event on Capitol Hill Tuesday.
China targets imprisoned religious minorities for organ harvesting, particularly from its Falun Gong and predominantly Muslim Uyghur communities.
Chinese labor camp survivor Yu Ming is a practitioner of Falun Gong, a spiritual movement that Beijing considers a dangerous anti-communist cult.
Matthew Robertson, a China studies researcher at the Victims of Communism Memorial Foundation (VOC) who authored a new report on organ procurement and extrajudicial executions in the communist country, translated Yu’s Chinese-language comments.
During the event Tuesday, Yu indicated that unscrupulous doctors in China used the harvested organs for recent double-lung transplants performed on people suffering from coronavirus, Robertson said.
After the event, Robertson confirmed Yu’s comments to Breitbart News.
“The authorities would say they [the lungs used for the transplants] were obviously donated, but one can raise reasonable objections as to whether that was in the least plausible,” he said.
VOC hosted the Capitol Hill gathering in collaboration with the International Coalition to End Transplant Abuse in China and the Uyghur Human Rights Project.
The event was primarily focused on allegations of extrajudicial killings for the harvesting of organs by the Chinese Communist Party (CCP), particularly coercive organ transplant practices involving Falun Gong and Uighur political prisoners.
During the event, Rep. Chris Smith (R-NJ), a decades-long champion of human rights in China, compared the abhorrent organ harvesting practices in the communist country to “Nazi-like behavior” in Germany during World War II.
“Sometimes they killed the person outright. Sometimes it was the surgery that took their lives. Just horrible, Nazi-like behavior and yet it became mainstream, especially as it was directed towards those [political] dissidents … like the Falun Gong and the Uyghurs,” the New Jersey Republican declared.
Smith, the top Republican on the House Foreign Affairs Global Human Rights Subcommittee, said that he has learned from witness testimonies that organs harvested by uninhibited doctors from prisoners in China who expire during the surgery have become routine.
China is harvesting organs from unwilling donors “to this day,” the China Tribunal, an independent legal entity created to investigate decades of reports of the communist country selling organs cut out of living political prisoners, recently determined.
“It’s real, and it’s not surprising,” Robertson told Breitbart News, referring to the ongoing organ harvesting practices in China.
The researcher wrote in his new report, published on Tuesday:

At this stage, only the Chinese authorities are in a position to put these [organ harvesting] allegations to rest. Instead of doing so, they have co-opted international medical elites, responded with propaganda to those making the allegations, and engaged in an elaborate scheme of data falsification, creating a Potemkin voluntary donation system while continuing to offer organs on demand to paying clients.
World governments have not publicly challenged China as to the source of its organs, and international medical and human rights organizations have also failed to raise public concerns as to the scale of the PRC [People’s Republic of China] transplant system and the real source of organs.

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https://www.breitbart.com/asia/2019/06/19/report-suggests-china-preparing-muslims-concentration-camps-organ-harvesting/
*https://www.victimsofcommunism.org/china-organ-procurement-report-2020
*https://www.victimsofcommunism.org/events/organ-procurement-policy-briefing
*https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8064683/Chinese-surgeons-conduct-double-lung-transplant-coronavirus-patient-new-treatments.html
*https://nypost.com/2020/03/02/chinese-doctors-perform-worlds-first-double-lung-transplant-for-coronavirus-victim/
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MOAR CO-PROP!!!
Coronavirus Fears Fed by Soviet-Style Agitprop From Russia, China, and Iran
Helle Dale / @Helledale / March 10, 2020
https://www.dailysignal.com/2020/03/10/coronavirus-fears-fed-by-soviet-style-agitprop-from-russia-china-and-iran/comment image

Never letting a crisis go to waste, propagandists are using the coronavirus to spread disinformation and conspiracy theories about the United States.
In China, Russia, and Iran, conspiracy theories about the origins of the coronavirus are swirling through government-run media outlets, pointing fingers at the U.S. military’s biological-warfare labs or the CIA.
Not only do these falsehoods distract from identifying the real source of the problem (the Chinese government’s delayed public acknowledgement of the epidemic), they also slander the image of the United States globally.
The Chinese military news website Xilu.com recently wrote that the coronavirus virus is “a biochemical weapon produced by the U.S. to target China.”
In Iran, the Tehran government downplayed the virus and irresponsibly encouraged pilgrims to visit the holy city of Qom, which is now ground zero of the coronavirus outbreak in Iran, one of the worst globally.
Clerics have accused the United States of introducing the virus “to damage [the city’s] culture and honor.” Iranians now widely believe the United States is behind the virus.
Russia lost no time weaponizing the coronavirus against the United States. Thousands of Russian social media accounts on Instagram, Facebook, and Twitter have been spreading the line that the U.S. government created the virus to “wage economic war on China” and propagate anti-China messages.
“By spreading disinformation about coronavirus, Russian malign actors are once again choosing to threaten public safety by distracting from the global health response,” Philip Reeker, acting assistant secretary of state for Europe and Eurasia, told The Guardian.
Coronavirus propaganda fits into classic Soviet-era propaganda strategies, dating back to the Cold War. In 1983, a pro-Soviet Indian newspaper, the Patriot, first published an article to the effect that the AIDS virus was a biological weapon created by the U.S. military.
After circulating for several years in KGB-controlled publications, the slander was picked up in 1985 by the Soviet cultural newspaper Literaturnaya Gazeta (Literary Gazette), opening the propaganda floodgates. In 1987 alone, it was reprinted or broadcast in more than 80 countries in 30 languages.
The story was highly damaging to the U.S. international image.
Similar damage is entirely possible today if coronavirus disinformation stands unchallenged. During the Cold War, the Reagan administration created the Active Measures Working Group to expose Soviet propaganda.
Today, the U.S. government will have to be equally deliberate in its efforts to fight not just the spread of the virus itself, but also the conspiracy theories spread by foreign actors.

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More on the Chinese spread of propaganda . . .
4 Things to Know About Chinese Origins of Coronavirus
Fred Lucas / @FredLucasWH / March 10, 2020
https://www.dailysignal.com/2020/03/10/4-things-to-know-about-coronavirus-chinese-origins/comment image

. . .
1. What Chinese Officials Have Said in Denial
“Some in the media say this coronavirus is a China virus. This is extremely irresponsible and we firmly oppose that,” Zhao Lijian, spokesman for the Chinese Foreign Ministry, said March 4. “We are still tracing the origin of the virus and there is no conclusion yet.”

Zhao said the disease, which health officials call COVID-19, short for coronavirus disease 19, is a “global phenomenon with uncertain origins.”
“The COVID-19 first appeared in China. That doesn’t mean its origin is in China,” Zhao said.
Lin Songtian, China’s ambassador to South Africa, expressed a similar view in a tweet over the weekend.

“Although the epidemic first broke out in China, it did not necessarily mean that the virus is originated from China, let alone ‘made in China,’” Lin tweeted.
2. How the Chinese Blame America
More than just dodging responsibility, the Chinese government reportedly has pushed propaganda that the United States started the virus.
The Washington Post reported last week that China’s communist government was promoting conspiracy theories online about U.S. involvement.
“In recent days, run-of-the-mill mockery of the White House has taken a darker turn as the Chinese internet became inundated by the theory, subtly stoked by the Chinese government, that the coronavirus originated in the United States,” the newspaper said. “The U.S. government, one version of the theory goes, has been covering up mounting cases, and perhaps thousands of deaths, by classifying them as regular flu.”
There have been false internet rumors in the United States about China as well, but there is a clear difference, said Dean Cheng, senior research fellow for Asian studies at The Heritage Foundation.
“The problem here is that this seems to be echoes of Soviet information warfare,” Cheng told The Daily Signal. “America has a free press, from CNN to Alex Jones, The New York Times, and the National Enquirer. China’s press is state run. So these rumors are not random charges.”
. . .
3. What Chinese Officials Used to Say
During a press briefing Friday, Pompeo sought to prevent China from escaping responsibility.
“The Wuhan virus that began at the end of last year is something that this administration is taking incredibly seriously,” Pompeo told reporters. “The State Department has been very involved from the beginning when we worked diligently to get hundreds of Americans out of Hubei province, out of Wuhan, and get them back to the United States safely.”
Wuhan is the capital of Hubei province, in central China.
A reporter later said to Pompeo: “You called it the Wuhan virus, and I haven’t—that’s an accurate way to depict where it’s coming from.”
The secretary of state responded: “The Chinese Communist Party has said that this is where the virus started. So don’t take my word for it; take theirs.”
[GO GET ‘EM KANSAS!!!]
. . .
4. What the Media Has Said
. . . “The Chinese are savvy in their observation of U.S. media and how parts of the punditry react,” Cheng said.
MSNBC anchor David Gura tweeted March 8: “FYI: Calling #COVID19 the ‘Wuhan Virus’ is racist.”
https://twitter.com/davidgura/status/1236829798133108736
In response to Gosar’s referring to the “Wuhan Virus” in a tweet about how he self-quarantined, MSNBC prime-time host Chris Hayes tweeted: “Just astoundingly gross to call it the Wuhan Virus.”

Several times in January, however, NBC News stories referred to the “Wuhan coronavirus.”
NBC wasn’t alone.
On Feb. 9, CNN posted a headline reading: “Wuhan coronavirus kills 97 more people in one day as death toll tops SARS.”
On Feb. 4, CNN posted a story headlined: “Confirmed Wuhan coronavirus cases top 20,000 as China marks deadliest day.”
The New York Times ran a Feb. 4 headline saying: “Even Without Symptoms, Wuhan Coronavirus May Spread, Experts Fear.” The Times also ran a Feb. 2 piece headlined, “Wuhan Coronavirus Looks Increasingly Like a Pandemic, Experts Say.”
The Washington Post ran an opinion piece Feb. 2 with the headline: “What the Iowa disaster and the Wuhan virus have in common.”

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#363840

Family Research Council (FWIW)
Coping with Coronavirus: How Should Christians Respond?
March 11, 2020
By Tony Perkins
https://www.frc.org/get.cfm?i=WA20C22&f=WU20C06comment image

It’s an anxious time for a lot of people — and watching any amount of news can make it worse. As Christians, how do we deal with threats like the Coronavirus? With local stores wiped out of everything from toilet paper to hand sanitizer, it’s hard not to get caught up in the hysteria. But God is faithful, and He’s sovereign — two things that FRC’s Harold Harper and I focus on in a special segment about keeping your anxiety levels down while the rest of the world falls to pieces. How do we cope? How do we help our children cope? Hear our response below.

. . . Video on Website . . .

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#363841

Evolution, Design, and COVID-19
Michael Behe
March 10, 2020, 4:48 AM
https://evolutionnews.org/2020/03/evolution-design-and-covid-19/comment image

I’ve been asked to comment on the coronavirus epidemic and evolution. Much of what I wrote six years ago during an outbreak of Ebola virus applies to the current predicament as well. The bottom line is that, while of course the virus is dangerous, the situation can be compared to a strong storm on the ocean. The waves may be huge and the surface roiling, but the deeper waters continue as they always have, essentially undisturbed. In a similar way, although superficially it changes very rapidly, some researchers think that the coronavirus and many other virus types3 have remained basically the same for tens of millions of years.
. . . I started this post with an analogy of a storm on the ocean. Certainly, if we were on a ship in a powerful storm, we might be excused for thinking storms are bad. But in calmer moments we understand that on balance the ocean is very good and that, given an ocean and the laws of nature, storms will arise from time to time. What’s more, we just might get caught in one. In the same way, most viruses do not affect humans and may well have a positive, necessary role to play in nature of which we are currently unaware. (I would bet on it.) From time to time a storm arises in the virosphere and affects humans. But that’s no reason to think either that viruses weren’t designed or that the designer of viruses isn’t good.

My comments: Viruses present an interesting challenge to human perceptions about the natural world. Humans perceive them almost exclusively in negative terms, as an unmitigated evil. Not surprisingly a similar view of bacteria was held for some time before it was recognized that they performed good and important functions that were necessary for all life to flourish. The exact ecological role of viruses is still not well understood but the concept that viruses are an evil is slowly dissipating as we learn more about their contributions to the biosphere, such as enabling the exchange of biological and genetic material between species.
Meanwhile, human beings are immanently capable of weaponizing just about anything . . .

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michaelh
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TELL CNN TO STOP POLITICIZING COVID-19!
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It’s inexcusable.
Callously and heartlessly preying on human death and anguish, using a deadly pandemic to score political points, and bending the truth to do it, CNN and the left-wing, dinosaur media have stooped so low, it’s mystifying to consider how much lower they could go.
As civilians fear for their lives, the lives of loved ones and friends, and their sources of income due to the deadly airborne virus called COVID-19, and as the Trump Administration swiftly moves to address the troubles, the leftist media seem more interested in casting aspersions at President Trump than actually being honest with us!
LET’S FIGHT BACK
Here’s what you can do:
1. Use our grassroots tools to EMAIL CNN and let them know your frustration
2. Use our grassroots tools to CALL CNN and leave a message expressing your disapproval
3. Use our grassroots tools to TWEET to key CNN figures and tell them that their use of a deadly virus to score political points is unctuous and unacceptable
Right now, all of us are TELLING CNN to STOP PLAYING ON FEAR by using the COVID-19 Coronavirus for political gain. Their misreporting and bias are obvious. Their desire to prey on tragedy in order to damage President Donald Trump is just as obvious.

Now, WE STRIKE BACK.
Right here, MRC Action prepared 3 EASY WAYS for you to send messages to people in front of and behind the cameras at CNN, to let them know that their behavior is ghoulish and unethical – to let them know we’re spreading the word about it, and they will be held accountable.
Simply follow the prompts, and you’ll be able to take simple, quick steps to email your discontent, Tweet a message to CNN celebrity “journalists”, and call CNN to lodge your complaints.
— The MRC Action Team

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michaelh
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Why has coronavirus largely spared Africa?
The continent was much better prepared than many thought
Mathew Otieno | Mar 11 2020
https://www.mercatornet.com/harambee/view/why-has-coronavirus-largely-spared-africa/23381comment image

When it became clear that the novel coronavirus coming out of China was destined to be a pandemic, international concern quickly zeroed in on how countries with weak health systems, most of which are in Africa, would be affected. It was feared that they would be quickly overwhelmed by the virus and left reeling.
The continent’s exposure to China, occasioned by its deep commercial ties with the country, was the main source of concern, as shown by a brilliant modelling study analysing this risk, which came out on The Lancet. The World Health Organization and other international health agencies scrambled to provide technical assistance, and helped procure test kits and laboratory trainings for various African countries.
I do not discount the concern, and I appreciate the effort that was put into making sure African countries had a fighting chance. In fact, the apprehension was not limited to international quarters. Locally, many were worried that our governments were taking this too lightly. Even I took pot-shots at the Kenyan government for its apparent laxity.
The only problem is that the virus has largely spared Africa so far. It is true that several countries, from Egypt to South Africa, have recorded cases, and more are cropping up each day. Egypt seems to be having the roughest time of it, with a Nile cruise ship at the centre of a recent spike in cases. But much of the rest of the continent still has no cases.
This curiously low incidence rate has left many puzzled. Of the more than 100,000 cases worldwide, only a handful are in Africa, and more than half of those are in Egypt. Initially, it was feared that the disease might have already landed on the continent, unflagged by faulty detection mechanisms, and was festering, ready to burst forth when it was beyond control.
It is possible that this is the case, but the fear still hasn’t panned out. Instead, it is starting to emerge that in the midst of all the hand-wringing over how Africa would fare, some crucial information was overlooked. I have been able to identify two particularly important ones. In tandem, they may have placed a crucial role in shielding Africa from this outbreak.
The first is that Africa is not as exposed to China as many initially thought. China’s ties with Africa, though deep and significant for the continent, do not measure up to its relations with North America and Europe. It may be the biggest trading partner of many African countries but, in absolute terms, this is dwarfed by its trade with the rest of the world.
The case may be made that more Chinese travel to Europe and North America each year than have ever come to Africa. Chinese travellers made a total of 130 million foreign trips in 2017. Of these, only about 0.8 million (0.62%) were to Africa, and the total number of Chinese on the continent is estimated at about 2 million. In short, the rest of the world is way more exposed than Africa to China.
That study in The Lancet that I referred to earlier actually compared these different exposure levels, but it is deep inside the discussion section. For a real-life illustration, one need only look at the infection pattern of the virus. For most of its brief history, it has behaved as if Africa didn’t exist. And when it finally showed up, it came from everywhere except China. In fact, most cases so far have been of European origin, with a few cases originating elsewhere.
The second overlooked factor is that African countries might have the widest field experience in tackling outbreaks of viral diseases. From Ebola to Lasso fever to Zika, African countries have dealt with multiple outbreaks in recent memory. Thanks to this, they have developed extensive experience and capacity. Even the main drug being trialled for the new virus, remdesivir, has already been put through its paces in African Ebola hotspots.
This experience has come in handy. For instance, the first coronavirus case in Sub-Saharan Africa was recorded in Nigeria, a country that eradicated Ebola in just three months during the 2013-2016 West African outbreak, and was already handling an outbreak of Lasso fever, a deadlier viral disease, when Covid-19 broke. The patient, an Italian, was put in quarantine, and all traceable contacts were isolated. One of them is now Nigeria’s second confirmed case.
While reporters note [tweet and article] that they could still enter the US without being screened, African countries (including the small, relatively un-exposed ones) have become fortresses against the virus. All entry points, for all they are worth, are heavily monitored, with masked officials taking temperatures and flagging suspicious cases.
From the outset, many countries already had the infrastructure in place for this exercise. I can personally attest to it; while re-entering Kenya from Uganda back in December 2019, I was screened for Ebola. Since the primary screening method for both viruses, taking temperatures at entry points, is the same, all that was needed was to beef up the operation, rather than starting from scratch.
This level of unwitting preparedness, combined with our lower exposure to China, is possibly the main reason Africa’s coronavirus incidence rates have remained low for so long. Thanks to it, our governments have had more time than the rest of the world to build specific capacity to tackle the new virus. I may yet be proven wrong, but it seems our fragile health systems were better prepared than those of most advanced countries.
Just to underscore this, on March 3, the last Ebola patient left the treatment centre in Beni, the scene of the latest outbreak of the disease in the Democratic Republic of the Congo. It took over a year to stamp out the outbreak, and the victory was celebrated with song and dance. But the world didn’t notice, because everyone was freaking out about the new virus.
On March 10, the DRC recorded its first Covid-19 case. The world had better watch how the country handles this new challenge. There might be a thing or two to be learnt.
Note: It should be obvious, but this is an article about a fast-moving story, so things may have changed by the time you read it.
Also, I am not an expert in disease management. My treatment of this issue is entirely from a layman’s perspective.
Mathew Otieno writes from Nairobi, Kenya.

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daughnworks247
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Because it is warm in Africa right now.
Virus has a hard time surviving in warm weather.
Another reason we need to stamp it out before their winter.

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michaelh
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Being old in a time of coronavirus
Italy’s elderly population may be ‘left behind’ as hospitals are overwhelmed
Chiara Bertoglio | Mar 11 2020
https://www.mercatornet.com/conniptions/view/being-old-in-a-time-of-coronavirus/23380comment image

The whole of Italy is now practically in quarantine. The COVID-19 infection has spread very quickly, particularly in the northern regions of Italy, but leaving untouched virtually no zone of the Peninsula. Moreover, as it was first diagnosed in one of the largest Italian cities, which is also the most international and productive (Milan), it provoked an economic collapse, which is very worrying at the moment but could become even more frightening on the long run.
Yesterday the Italian government has issued a law limiting very seriously the freedom of movement in the country; though it is a bitter pill for us all, we are also very conscious that we simply have to swallow it. However, many people who work or study in Milan but come from different regions of Italy abandoned the city in the preceding days, potentially contributing to the virus’ spread in other zones of Italy.
In certain cities, such as Cremona (the city of Stradivarius), the hospitals are already full, the doctors are working around the clock, and a picture has become iconic: a nurse falling asleep on an office desk at the end of her exhausting watch.
What is especially worrying is that intensive care units are already applying the triage rule to their potential patients, giving privileged access to those who are most likely to survive (for their age and general health conditions). This is not eugenics proper, of course; similar evaluations are normal when, for example, donated organs have to be implanted, and the criteria are not simply “first come, first served”. However, it is particularly shocking to hear this kind of news, since Italy is (as MercatorNet readers know well) a very old country.
A large part of our population is over 65, and while many of them are in good health, most have one or more health issues; combined with Covid-19, they may become lethal. But these elderly people have families, have stories, have dreams (yes, many elderly people still have beautiful dreams for their years to come), and it is really frightening to think that they may be “left behind” if the trend continues.
Most Italians are trying to protect their elderly family members, by avoiding all physical contact and social occasions. In my own home, where I live with my 80-year-old parents, I take meals at a separate table, and force myself not to hug them even though I can see that they particularly need some kind of physical expression of tenderness right now. Sometimes I even become harsh with them, when they inadvertently forget to respect some of the rules we have been given, and which are not always easy to learn when you’ve done things differently for your whole life. (For example, it is rather difficult never to touch your eyes!).
Churches are closed, of course, even on Sundays. It is particularly painful as we really need a help from above, for stopping the infection but also giving us strength for facing it. And many are wondering what will be left after the epidemic is over. Economic consequences are predictably worrisome; we don’t know how many people will be affected, suffer and even die of this virus; and how we’ll have to re-learn not to avoid the “other”, not to walk away when you see another person on the same pavement, not to restrain ourselves in our manifestations of affection.
We are worried for the many elderly people who live alone; one of my friends, for example, is an elderly widower whose only contact with the outside world was daily Mass; what is he doing now? I phoned him today, and he seemed reasonably cheerful, but how will he feel in a fortnight’s time?
Will this experience help us to think about the true meaning of life, of love, of prayer? Some of us may die of COVID; how do we think about this? What does love mean: to care for the others? To have them with us? To protect them even when this means being cold toward them? And what is prayer? Why is it so difficult to pray when there is no community with whom to pray? What are we praying for? Are we thinking of the afterlife?
And other questions arise in this situation. Among those who disregard the safety rules we’ve been given are many teenagers and young people, who are enjoying an unforeseen and long school holiday, and who spend their time together, crowding the bars and walking in a bunch in the fashionable streets. Why are they doing this, in spite of the recommendations which many famous music, TV and cinema stars are issuing?
When you’re twenty it is normal, of course, to think you’re immortal; but have we taught them to care for others, not just for themselves? Have we spoken about responsibility, have we encouraged them to be, at least minimally, “heroic”? Have we educated our young men and women, or are they simply a mass of overgrown babes who only care for their immediate needs?
These are just a few of the questions that can torment us after yet another day of worries and loneliness. But today it was such a fine day that I could not help thinking that the trees in blossom were as beautiful as last year or the year before; they bloom in spite of everything, and they rejoice for being alive. As we all do.
Dr Chiara Bertoglio is a musician and theologian moonlighting as a journalist. She writes from Italy. Visit her website.

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cthulhu
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When assembling the next Qtree master thread, here’s yet another daily resource to keep it on the bleeding edge — https://arstechnica.com/science/2020/03/dont-panic-the-comprehensive-ars-technica-guide-to-the-coronavirus/ .
(I believe we’re currently ahead — but they might have stuff the next time the full workup is compiled.)

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Dora
#363846

For the first time ever!
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NYC St. Patrick’s Day Parade postponed, latest victim of coronavirus
New York City’s annual St. Patrick’s Day Parade is postponed in light of coronavirus containment efforts, Gov. Andrew Cuomo announced late Wednesday night.
“I recommended to the organizers that we have to postpone it,” Cuomo said in an interview on CNN with his younger brother, anchor Chris Cuomo.
https://nypost.com/2020/03/11/nyc-st-patricks-day-parade-canceled-latest-victim-of-coronavirus/

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Dora
#363847

A Bill Gates program will send at-home coronavirus tests to Seattle residents
https://www.technologyreview.com/f/615335/coronavirus-bill-gates-program-seattle-residents-at-home-tests-diagnostics/

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Dora
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🦋🤸‍♀️🦋bflyjesusgrl🦋🤸‍♀️🦋
#363850

We need to watch this, has potential.

https://twitter.com/147DW/status/1237991182346534912?s=20
More help…
https://twitter.com/Liberty7718/status/1237955824540057601?s=20

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kalbokalbs
#363859

Very promising, IMO.
Looking forward to US cases transitioning to recovered, and generally the successful treatment.
Optimistic I am. Global problem clearly being aggressively researched globally with urgency.
And, ChiComs suck.

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michaelh
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THE DAY AFTER . . . the Post-Apocolyptic panic of New York . . .
Empire Report (NY State)
http://empirereportnewyork.com/
http://empirereportnewyork.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/fronts-2-e1584007145675.png
TRUMP BANS TRAVEL FROM EUROPE
*https://nypost.com/2020/03/11/trump-suspends-travel-from-europe-over-coronavirus-fears/
PRE-MARKET: STOCKS NOSEDIVING
*https://www.cnbc.com/
TOM HANKS, RITA WILSON TEST POSITIVE
*https://www.nydailynews.com/coronavirus/ny-coronavirus-tom-hanks-rita-wilson-20200312-sjk7fesverbxrm2ppam34ldtky-story.html
NBA SUSPENDS SEASON
*https://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/knicks/ny-knicks-fans-coronavirus-hawks-20200312-rojlq2jkkje43a32ycgij3eawe-story.html
http://empirereportnewyork.com/wp-content/themes/nyempirereport/images/logo.png
http://empirereportnewyork.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/chris-andrew-e1584004361519.png
ANDREW TO CHRIS: IT’S MUCH MORE PREVALENT THAN WE KNOW… NUMBERS ARE GOING TO BE SHOCKING…
*http://empirereportnewyork.com/new-york-gov-cuomo-says-the-real-number-of-coronavirus-cases-will-be-shocking-once-theres-more-testing-its-hereits-much-more-prevalent/
AMERICANS ARRIVING AT JFK FROM LOCKED-DOWN ITALY ARE SHOCKED BY LACK OF SCREENING…
*https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8098819/Americans-arriving-JFK-Milan-say-SHOCKED-no-screening-coronavirus.html
ALL SUNY, CUNY CLASSES TO FINISH SEMESTER REMOTELY…
*https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/containment-zone-in-new-rochelle-takes-effect-nyc-case-total-climbs-to-40/2321532/
WATCH: MORNING JOE SLAMS TRUMP RESPONSE…
*http://empirereportnewyork.com/coronavirus-enters-devastating-new-phase-morning-joe-msnbc/
*

WATCH COLBERT: NO MORE STUDIO AUDIENCE, DAILY LIFE CHANGING FOR MILLIONS…
*http://empirereportnewyork.com/daily-life-is-changing-for-millions-of-americans-as-coronavirus-crisis-grows/
*

CUOMO: 212 CONFIRMED CASES IN NEW YORK…
*https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/containment-zone-in-new-rochelle-takes-effect-nyc-case-total-climbs-to-40/2321532/
NYC CASES SURGE TO 62…
*https://wcbs880.radio.com/articles/news/mayor-de-blasio-62-confirmed-coronavirus-cases-in-nyc
LONG ISLAND: 34 CASES, HUNDREDS IN QUARANTINE…
*https://patch.com/new-york/huntington/coronavirus-long-island-31-cases-hundreds-quarantine
1st Orange County case confirmed at Crystal Run Healthcare…
*https://midhudsonnews.com/2020/03/11/case-of-coronavirus-confirmed-at-crystal-run-healthcare/
1st confirmed case in Monroe County…
*https://www.rochesterfirst.com/news/local-news/1st-confirmed-case-of-covid-19-coronavirus-in-monroe-county/
WEALTHY NEW YORKERS FLEE TO HAMPTONS, HUDSON VALLEY…
*https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-03-11/new-yorkers-flee-to-hamptons-hudson-valley-to-escape-virus
WATCH: CUOMO PRESS CONFERENCE WEDNESDAY, MARCH 11…
*http://empirereportnewyork.com/governor-cuomo-delivers-a-145-pm-update-on-coronavirus-in-new-york-state/
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CUOMO: THE RETROSPECTIVE IS GOING TO BE DAMNING…
*https://www.thedailybeast.com/new-york-gov-cuomo-slams-cdc-over-coronavirus-the-retrospective-is-going-to-be-damning?source=articles&via=rss
Cuomo asks NY businesses to split employee shifts…
*https://nypost.com/2020/03/11/cuomo-asks-ny-businesses-to-split-employee-shifts-to-prevent-coronavirus-spread/
PLOTCH: CUOMO & CORONAVIRUS A MATCH OF LEADER AND CRISIS…
*https://www.nydailynews.com/opinion/ny-oped-cuomo-and-coronavirus-20200311-2v4u5xkpcngi5p2dk7va5zlv3e-story.html
NEW YORK TIMES PROVIDING FREE ONLINE ACCESS DURING CRISIS…
*https://www.nytimes.com/news-event/coronavirus?action=click&module=Spotlight&pgtype=Homepage
NYTIMES: NEW YORKERS DEPERATE FOR A TEST COULDN’T GET ONE…
*https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/11/nyregion/coronavirus-testing-newyork.html
NYTIMES: A Fumbled Global Response in a Leadership Void…
*https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/11/world/europe/coronavirus-leadership-trump.html
Doctor with coronavirus shares daily symptoms on Twitter…
*https://nypost.com/2020/03/11/subway-riders-might-pay-for-mtas-debt-with-fare-raises-cut-service/
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HOGAN: NYC ST. PATRICKS’S DAY PARADE POSTPONED FOR FIRST TIME IN 258 YEARS…
*https://nypost.com/2020/03/11/nyc-st-patricks-day-parade-canceled-latest-victim-of-coronavirus/
CALIFORNIA GOVERNOR CALLS FOR ALL PUBLIC GATHERINGS TO BE CANCELED…
*https://nypost.com/2020/03/12/california-governor-calls-for-all-public-gatherings-to-be-canceled-due-to-coronavirus/
TUMBLEWEEDS ON WALL STREET AS BANKERS TOLD TO WORK FROM HOME…
*https://nypost.com/2020/03/11/wall-street-bankers-told-to-work-from-home-due-to-coronavirus/
CBS CLOSES NYC OFFICES…
*https://nypost.com/2020/03/11/cbs-closes-nyc-offices-after-two-employees-positive-for-coronavirus/
Ivy League cancels all spring athletics…
*https://www.localsyr.com/sports/sports-news/ivy-league-cancels-all-spring-athletics-amid-coronavirus-outbreak/
NBC scraps ‘Today’ show live audiences…
*https://pagesix.com/2020/03/11/nbc-scraps-today-show-live-audiences-over-coronavirus-fears/?_ga=2.181908967.1736781265.1572779828-1391187407.1521819137
De Blasio resists closing MSG, Broadway…
*https://nypost.com/2020/03/11/bill-de-blasio-resists-closing-msg-broadway-amid-coronavirus-pandemic/
CDC awards New York $16.7M…
*https://nypost.com/2020/03/11/cdc-awards-new-york-16-7m-to-help-fight-coronavirus/
JOHNS HOPKINS MAP: TRACKING THE SPREAD…
*https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html
NYT KRISTOF: 12 Steps to Tackle Coronavirus…
*https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/11/opinion/coronavirus-united-states.html?action=click&module=Opinion&pgtype=Homepage
Trump officials considering extending tax-filing deadline…
*https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/486960-trump-officials-considering-extending-tax-filing-deadline-over
WATCH: Trump caught swearing by C-SPAN before coronavirus address…
*https://mashable.com/article/trump-coronavirus-address-cspan-hot-mic/
BERNIE PUMPED FOR SUNDAY NIGHT DEBATE WITH BIDEN…
*https://www.thedailybeast.com/bernie-sanders-emerges-from-17-hours-of-silence-ready-to-debate-joe-biden?source=articles&via=rss

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michaelh
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New York Gov. Cuomo says the real number of coronavirus cases will be “shocking” once there’s more testing. “It’s here…It’s much more prevalent than we know. The testing does not reflect what it is…if you actually had testing capacity you would see how high the numbers are.”
March 12, 2020
http://empirereportnewyork.com/new-york-gov-cuomo-says-the-real-number-of-coronavirus-cases-will-be-shocking-once-theres-more-testing-its-hereits-much-more-prevalent/
https://twitter.com/CuomoPrimeTime/status/1237920617774661633

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michaelh
#363854

OK . . . Repeating this again from yesterday’s thread, as it bears repeating . . .
One of the problems is what “take it seriously” means to different ppl.
Libs are emotive feelers over rational thinkers. For them “serious” is an EMOTION.
The rest of us see “serious” and connect that with facts, decision making, prudent action, and OUTCOMES.
In other words, a rational process, whether that is common sense problem solving or a military system like Colonel John Boyd’s OODA Loop. Emotions are irrelevant but aligning to positive outcome is the key.
Also, not doing more than prudent. Not going to call up national guard for a sniffle. That would be an emotive response. Over-reaction is by definition a reaction to a problem that creates a new problem in the process. Like over-correcting when steering a car.
Note: Knee-jerk reactions are considered normative crisis management techniques for many people. There are many people who do not manage things systematically in their lives, but instead live in a tension zone running from crisis to crisis. The disciplined self-management approach is not necessarily the norm for all people. We need to be aware of this basic challenge of human behavior.
But libs think unless you feel and act like they do then “you aren’t taking it seriously”. So libs become accusatory b/c you don’t mirror their empathetic response. As if their emotions are a script that the rest of us should just play along with!
From my perspective, a key is detaching the emotions from the situation and not becoming emotionally overwhelmed. Humor is an incredibly important emotional management strategy to take the edge off and make space for creative problem solving. Negative emotions have a detrimental impact on creative problem solving because they trigger fight or flight response which actively shuts down the most logical and creative parts of the brain’s reasoning capacity. If we’re taking the problem serious, we’re looking at it in a problem solving way, and if we are looking for creative solutions and brain-storming, humor is a necessary tool that is sadly under-rated by the emotive “take it seriously” crowd.
There’s a time for being silly, and a time for being serious, and this isn’t one of them!
Now with that in mind . . .
EXCLUSIVE: ‘It doesn’t seem serious the way they were handling it’: Americans arriving at JFK from locked-down Italy are shocked by the lack of US screening for coronavirus
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8098819/Americans-arriving-JFK-Milan-say-SHOCKED-no-screening-coronavirus.htmlcomment image

Americans returning on the last flights out of locked-down Italy say they were stunned to discover that there was still no screening for coronavirus upon arriving in New York on Tuesday.
Dominique Gioia, a 20-year-old student at SUNY New Paltz who was doing a semester abroad in Milan, was supposed to stay through end of May, until New York Governor Andrew Cuomo ordered all SUNY and CUNY students home from programs abroad.
She told DailyMail.com: ‘In Milan airport, they took my temperature and I had to fill out a form. [The airport official] just held a little temperature thing to my forehead and then told me to go. That was it.’
As of Wednesday morning, more than 1,000 people in the US have tested positive to coronavirus, and there have been 32 deaths. Italy is facing the worst coronavirus epidemic outside of China and authorities said 631 people have died of COVID-19 there, with an increase of 168 fatalities recorded Tuesday.
Gioia says she and her fellow students were not screened after landing at New York’s John F. Kennedy International Airport Tuesday, adding: ‘I was asked one question about why I was in Milan and then I was waved through.
‘I was surprised because I thought this (coronavirus) was a whole big mess. But it doesn’t seem serious the way they were handling it.’

OK, this reeks of dishonest reporting.
Although I could be wrong, I don’t believe a 20 year old college student is an expert on airport screening processes.
Screening is a critical part of air travel since 9/11 even during “normal” periods. Airports have been retrofitted and redesigned to perform what amounts to frankly intrusive and invasive screenings of every air passenger prior to being allowed the secure area. In the U.S. the system is called TSA.
After over one hundred years of passenger air travel, and twenty years of post-9/11 security, this screening system has been analyzed and reanalyzed enough times. Clearly the need for dis-embarking screening has been put through plenty of ROI’s and is widely understood to be unnecessary.
Perhaps the Coronavirus Task Force would like to re-evaluate the need for late screening at airports, but these passengers have already been subjected to invasive screening before boarding the aircraft. This is a doubled-up screening measure that is more feel-good but not results oriented.
Further, no airport is structured to provide screening of passengers disembarking. There are no control points or funnels to manage disembarking passengers to perform additional screening.
What would happen to a person who passed an initial screening, flew to another airport, and then was screened again at the destination? Are we going to fly them back to their country of origin?
Also, if we start screening disembarking passengers, really we’re talking about whether we should be setting up screening checkpoints for any kind of travel. IMO this is nothing more than security theatre.
In short, I have a hard time imagining any expert recommenting a double-screening of passengers at arrival gates. If someone is screened and has a health concern they should consult with their physician not airport security.
Here’s some more shiny objects . . . SQUIRREL!!!comment imagecomment image

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michaelh
#363855

This was listed on the Empire Report for today but with the wrong link.
I’m reposting with the correct link since it may be of general interest.
However, please be advised that the Daily Mail’s reporting is suspect.
Doctor battling coronavirus shares his daily symptoms on social media including ultrasounds of his lungs as he reveals he has suffered diarrhea, cough and strong headaches
By Bhvishya Patel For Mailonline
Published: 06:46 EDT, 12 March 2020 | Updated: 09:33 EDT, 12 March 2020
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8103677/Doctor-battling-coronavirus-shares-daily-symptoms-social-media.html

* Dr Yale Tung Chen, 35, from Spain, caught coronavirus while treating patients
* He has been giving an insight into the disease’s daily symptoms on social media
* The emergency physician has been sharing ultrasound scans of his lungs online
A doctor who has been diagnosed with coronavirus has given an honest insight into the disease’s daily symptoms on social media.
Dr. Yale Tung Chen, 35, from Spain, who caught the infection while he was treating patients at Hospital Universitario La Paz in Madrid, has been sharing his experiences battling the illness with the pubic.
The emergency physician has been sharing ultrasound scans of his lungs and listing his daily symptoms in an attempt to give the world a glimpse of how the illness takes over the body.

Including the following images for Sadie – blatant examples of coded messaging, media just plays along:comment imagecomment image

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Sadie Slays
#363894

Thank you!

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Dora
#363853

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daughnworks247
#363856

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Dora
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Deplorable Patriot
#363866

From the lady who does our Eucharistic Adoration organizing…her son sent her this this morning, March 12:
From member of the Stanford hospital board. This is their feedback for now
on Corona virus:
The new Coronavirus may not show sign of infection for many days. How can
one know if he/she is infected? By the time they have fever and/or cough
and go to the hospital, the lung is usually 50% Fibrosis and it’s too late.
Taiwan experts provide a simple self-check that we can do every morning.
Take a deep breath and hold your breath for more than 10 seconds. If you
complete it successfully without coughing, without discomfort, stiffness or
tightness, etc., it proves there is no Fibrosis in the lungs, basically
indicates no infection. In critical time, please self-check every morning
in an environment with clean air.
Serious excellent advice by Japanese doctors treating COVID-19 cases:
Everyone should ensure your mouth & throat are moist, never dry. Take a few
sips of water every 15 minutes at least. Why? Even if the virus gets into
your mouth, drinking water or other liquids will wash them down through
your throat and into the stomach. Once there, your stomach acid will kill
all the virus. If you don’t drink enough water more regularly, the virus
can enter your windpipe and into the lungs. That’s very dangerous. Please
send and share this with family and friends. Take care everyone and may the
world recover from this Coronavirus soon.
IMPORTANT ANNOUNCEMENT – CORONAVIRUS
1. If you have a runny nose and sputum, you have a common cold
2. Coronavirus pneumonia is a dry cough with no runny nose.
3. This new virus is not heat-resistant and will be killed by a temperature
of just 26/27 degrees. It hates the Sun.
4. If someone sneezes with it, it takes about 10 feet before it drops to
the ground and is no longer airborne.
5. If it drops on a metal surface it will live for at least 12 hours – so
if you come into contact with any metal surface – wash your hands as soon
as you can with a bacterial soap.
6. On fabric it can survive for 6-12 hours. normal laundry detergent will
kill it.
7. Drinking warm water is effective for all viruses. Try not to drink
liquids with ice.
8. Wash your hands frequently as the virus can only live on your hands for
5-10 minutes, but – a lot can happen during that time – you can rub your
eyes, pick your nose unwittingly and so on.
9. You should also gargle as a prevention. A simple solution of salt in
warm water will suffice.
10. Can’t emphasis enough – drink plenty of water!
THE SYMPTOMS
1. It will first infect the throat, so you’ll have a sore throat lasting
3/4 days
2. The virus then blends into a nasal fluid that enters the trachea and
then the lungs, causing pneumonia. This takes about 5/6 days further.
3. With the pneumonia comes high fever and difficulty in breathing.
4. The nasal congestion is not like the normal kind. You feel like you’re
drowning. It’s imperative you then seek immediate attention.

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bakocarl
#363879

Comment on the article making its rounds on the internet –
*https://www.truthorfiction.com/breaking-down-the-covid-19-friends-uncles-guidance-meme/
What’s False
This new virus is not heat-resistant and will be killed by a temperature of just 26/27 degrees. It hates the Sun.
Labos: “Your internal body temperature is 36-37 degrees Celsius. If that were true, coronavirus could not survive in the human body.”
If someone sneezes with it, it takes about 10 feet before it drops to the ground and is no longer airborne.
Labos: “Usually people say around 6 feet, but there’s probably some normal variation there.”
Drinking warm water is effective for all viruses. Try not to drink liquids with ice.
Labos: “I don’t think there’s any evidence that’s true. Your own body heat warms up anything you drink anyway.”
You should also gargle as a prevention. A simple solution of salt in warm water will suffice.
Labos: “I don’t think there’s any evidence that’s true.”
Likewise, there is no evidence that item 10 (“can’t emphasise enough – drink plenty of water!”) is a proven deterrent or treatment to the visor, even if increasing water intake is generally considered a positive for one’s health, at least to a certain extent.
What’s True
Wash your hands frequently as the virus can only live on your hands for 5-10 minutes, but — a lot can happen during that time — you can rub your eyes, pick your nose unwittingly and so on.
Both the Centers for Disease Control (CDC) and other health experts have advised people to frequently wash their hands with soap and water or use a hand sanitizer, but it is unclear how long the virus can “live on your hands.”
What’s Unknown
If you have a runny nose and sputum, you have a common cold.
Coronavirus pneumonia is a dry cough with no runny nose.
The symptoms associated with COVID-19 can vary; for instance, the CDC reported that in some cases involving children in China, patients listed a runny nose as a symptom alongside coughing and running a fever. The section of the post detailing an alleged timeline for the virus’ progression (listed in the meme as “THE SYMPTOMS”) is also unclear. Some patients did not report any symptoms prior to being diagnosed with the virus.
If it drops on a metal surface it will live for at least 12 hours — so if you come into contact with any metal surface — wash your hands as soon as you can with a bacterial soap.
On fabric it can survive for 6-12 hours. normal laundry detergent will kill it.
According to the CDC, “it may be possible” that a person can contract the virus by touching an affected surface with their mouth, nose, or eyes, it is believed that it primarily spreads through human contact.

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bakocarl
#363880

I forgot to add this –
FTA – We spoke to Dr. Christopher Labos, a cardiologist and associate with the office for science and society at McGill University in Canada who co-hosts a podcast about medical disinformation and misinformation; he was able to identify four outright falsehoods listed in the “guidance” for treating the virus. We separated the list based on the accuracy of its litany of claims to make it easier to read, with Labos’ comments listed under each item.

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michaelh
#363867

Malicious Website Pretending to be the Live Map for Coronavirus-19 Global Cases by John Hopkins University
UPDATED 18 HOURS AGO
https://www.it.ucla.edu/security/advisories/malicious-website-pretending-to-be-live-map-for-coronavirus-19-global-cases-by-john-hopkins-university

There has been a circulation of malicious websites pretending to be credible sources for more information on the Coronavirus-19. PLEASE double check the validity and reliability of websites you are visiting. This also includes attachments!
One particular website that has been pretending to be the live map for Coronavirus COVID-19 Global Cases by Johns Hopkins University is circulating on the internet waiting for unwitting internet users to visit the website. Visiting the website infects the user with the AZORult Trojan, an information stealing program which can exfiltrate a variety of sensitive data.
It is likely being spread via infected email attachments, malicious online advertisements, or anyone searching the internet for a Coronavirus map could unwittingly navigate to this malicious website.comment imagecomment image
Recommendations
End users should be warned about this cybersecurity risk and security teams should blacklist any indicators associated with this specific threat. IOCs and Analysis may be found here: *https://blog.reasonsecurity.com/2020/03/09/covid-19-info-stealer-the-map-of-threats-threat-analysis-report/
REFERENCES
Reason Labs. (March 9, 2020). COVID-19, Info Stealer & the Map of Threats – Threat Analysis Report. Reasonsecurity.com. Accessed 10 March 2020 at
*https://blog.reasonsecurity.com/2020/03/09/covid-19-info-stealer-the-map-of-threats-threat-analysis-report/
Fake Online Coronavirus Map Delivers Well-known Malware Health Sector Cybersecurity Coordination Center (HC3)
Health Industry Cybersecurity Practices (HICP): Managing Threats and Protecting Patients publication” *https://healthsectorcouncil.org/hhs-and-hscc-release-voluntary-cybersecurity-practices-for-the-health-industry/
GOOD EMAIL ATTACHMENT HYGIENE
Only open email attachments that are expected and that come from a trusted source
Use Internet security software that will automatically scan email attachments for malware and viruses
Delete any messages and attachments you aren’t sure about without opening them
What type of file is it? Avoid Opening Executable Extension Files EXE
You should check the file type of any attachment before opening it. Malware and viruses can be hidden in files of the following file extensions;
.ade,.adp, .asf, .bas, .bat, .chm, .cmd, .com, .cpl, .crt, .exe, .hlp, .hta, inf, .ins, .isp, .js, .jse, .lnk, .mdb, .mde, .mov, .msc, .msi, .msp, .mst, .pcd, .pif, .reg, .scr, .sct, .shs, .swf, .url, .vb, .vbe, .vbs, .wsc, .wsf, .wsh,
Even Microsoft Office documents (.docx, .xlsx, and .pptx) and PDFs can contain malicious links and macros that can download malware onto your mobile or computer.

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GA/FL
#363868

The real JH tracking map is either overloaded or needs revision – it had problems a few days ago and is having problems again today.

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michaelh
#363871

I seriously doubt the provisioned enough resources to ESRI to support literally the entire world to bounce up and down on that map! JH is awesome but they are Google and don’t have unlimited resources! Lol 😂

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GA/FL
#363869

VP Pence explains the latest travel restrictions:

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kea
#363870

At what point do Americans tune out this panic? This 24/7 is just like impeachment push. Eventually people tune out.
Or your talking people into feeling sick.

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Valerie Curren
#363872

Minor housekeeping point on your Amazing Work here!!!
Under the reports for Iran you have an update for Italy, for March 9 I think…
Thanks for this heroic & so very important work–Blessings

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daughnworks247
#363876

Thanks Valerie, I will flip it.

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Valerie Curren
#363877

YW 🙂 sorry to add to your workload in any way 🙁

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daughnworks247
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daughnworks247
#363874

Biden can’t even read a prompter.
This is horrific, his speech on Coronavirus.
It’s morbid and sickly……… like campaigning off the deaths of earthquake victims.

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daughnworks247
#363875

Don’t you wonder who in the hell who wrote Joe’s speech?
“people who are losing jobs” – but not according to Bloomberg jobs report this morning.
“people whose kids have to study at home and don’t have computers” —- really, Joe????
“people who are struggling with cost of child care” — what? They’re all at home.
“people who are having a hard time paying their mortgage” what????

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GA/FL
#363881

This is just a several weeks to a month seasonal outbreak.
They will have to do the same thing as if they had a hurricane, tornado, house fire or auto wreck or another baby – save, adapt, stick together, scrimp, save, and work through it.

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michaelh
#363878

FYI I’m hearing more reports from family that TP and cleaning wipes are sold out.
If it really is a problem go find baby wipes. They won’t flush but they clean well. I doubt most ppl stock up on that.

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GA/FL
#363883

Alcohol poured over paper towels in a jar works really well and are cheap.

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GA/FL
#363884

Rubbing/Isopropyl alcohol 60% or greater – not drinking alcohol.

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Gail Combs
#363892

SD40 Alcohol of The Prison wipes thread
It is ethyl alcohol (vodka) and brucine sulfate.– Or it was back in the 1980s when I worked with it.(I finally remembered the name of the denaturant.)
From WIKI:
Alcohol denaturant
Brucine is one of the many chemicals used as a denaturant to make alcohol unfit for human consumption.
Also see: https://www.cosmeticsinfo.org/ingredient/brucine-sulfate.
Actually ethyl alcohol (ethanol) is considered superior to rubbing alcohol according to one of the many papers I posted on these threads
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK214356/
ALCOHOL info.
200 proof = 100% ethanol, HOWEVER Ethanol (Ethyl alcohol) LOVES water and refuses to be separated so the best you are going to get is 180 proof or 90%. Lab grade absolute alcohol will literally grab the water molecules out of the air as soon as you open the bottle.

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Gail Combs
#363895

Drinking alcohol ( Ethyl alcohol) if it is 160 to 180 proof is fine though expensive. (200 proof = 100%)
Infection Prevention and Control of Epidemic- and Pandemic-Prone Acute Respiratory Infections in Health Care.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK214356/

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daughnworks247
#363882

This is becoming ridiculous.

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Concerned Virginian
#363885

North Carolina now has 12 cases of the Wuhan/SARS2 coronavirus. DemCom Governor Cooper just declared a state of emergency.
Virginia now has 17 cases of the virus. DemCom Governor Northam just declared a state of emergency.
https://abc11.com/
http://www.dailyprogress.com/

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Sylvia Avery
#363886

I don’t have a source because it was read to me over the phone, but apparently PDJT is considering restricting/stopping travel in and out of Washington state because we are such a hot mess.
I made use (first time) of ordering groceries online. I’m heading out to pick them up. I ordered MOAR dog food, the last of my real concerns.

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bakocarl
#363890

If you have a WallyMart near, you can order most of their stuff and, if the total is $35 or more, they’ll deliver it in the next day or two free.

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kea
#363896

I was reading that they didn’t want to close and claimed they didn’t need to follow any advice and I guess they got hammered on that comment so…
I’ll try and find the tweet about it

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kea
#363911

Here was the tweet

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Sadie Slays
#363888

May I suggest a new ground report thread since there has been a significant number of developments since the last one?
Ground report 3/12/20:
– Gas prices are down 10 cents since the weekend.
– Liquor store was fully stocked, which surprised me. I figured alcohol would be the first to go in a panic.
– The biggest amount of concern and complaining I overheard was about sportsball being cancelled.
– I visited a few ethnic markets today (something I had already planned days in advance before the WuFlu panic went into overdrive). It was busier than normal, but they tend to be busy during nice weather. Food shelves were stocked.

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Concerned Virginian
#363889

Well, looky here:
http://www.smalldeadanimals.com/
March 12, 2020
“Trudeau Self Isolating As Sophie Awaits COVID Results”
Apparently Mr. Sparkle Socks is self-isolating while test results for his wife, Sophie, for the Wuhan/SARS2 coronavirus are pending.
His wife began to show flu-like symptoms after she returned to Canada from a speaking engagement in England.
Pre CTV News

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Gail Combs
#363891

From Patriot Nurse video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YnbrnuLcNjk
She recommends:
Lung and Bronchial Fomula: https://amzn.to/2IJtH5o
Mullein Bulk: https://amzn.to/2wPG5Ow
Comfrey leaf bulk: https://amzn.to/2SRtin3

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Gail Combs
#363893

Mullein PAPERS listed:
https://rjwhelan.co.nz/articles/pdf/mullein_research.pdf
First couple papers listed:
Antiviral activity of Flos verbasci infusion against influenza and Herpes simplex viruses.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1666504

Abstract
The lyophilized infusion from flowers of Verbascum thapsiforme Schrad. (FVI) showed antiviral activity in in vitro studies against Fowl plague virus, several influenza A strains, influenza B strain as well as Herpes simplex virus. Influenza viruses titer decreased by 1-3 log units, while of H. simplex virus by 2.3 log. FVI has shown virucidal activity on H. simplex virus at 300 micrograms/ml, but did not inactivate influenza viruses. Phytochemical investigations of FVI have shown the presence of flavonoids, iridoids, phenolic acids, saponins, amino acids and free sugars.

Abstract
One hundred methanolic plant extracts were screened for antiviral activity against seven viruses. Twelve extracts were found to have antiviral activity at the non-cytotoxic concentrations tested. The extracts of Rosa nutkana and Amelanchier alnifolia, both members of the Rosaceae, were very active against an enteric coronavirus. A root extract of another member of the Rosaceae, Potentilla arguta, completely inhibited respiratory syncytial virus. A Sambucus racemosa branch tip extract was also very active against respiratory syncytial virus while the inner bark extract of Oplopanax horridus partially inhibited this virus. An extract of Ipomopsis aggregata demonstrated very good activity against parainfluenza virus type 3. A Lomatium dissectum root extract completely inhibited the cytopathic effects of rotavirus. In addition to these, extracts prepared from the following plants exhibited antiviral activity against herpesvirus type 1: Cardamine angulata, Conocephalum conicum, Lysichiton americanum, Polypodium glycyrrhiza and Verbascum thapsus.

Wiki
Rosa nutkana, the Nootka rose, bristly rose, or wild rose is a 2-10 feet (0.61-3.05 m) tall perennial shrub in the rose family.comment image
Wiki
Amelanchier alnifolia, the saskatoon, Pacific serviceberry, western serviceberry, alder-leaf shadbush, dwarf shadbush, chuckley pear, or western juneberry,[2] is a shrub with edible berry-like fruit, native to North America from Alaska across most of western Canada and in the western and north-central United States. Historically, it was also called pigeon berry.
http://www.worldbotanical.com/Amelanchier/Amelanchier_alnifolia-ID-74-2005.jpg
Flos verbasci and Verbascum thapsus is Mullein.
http://www.sbs.utexas.edu/bio406d/images/pics/scr/Verbascum%20thapsus%20habit10.jpg

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michaelh
#363897

Your evening dose of fear and panic from New York State . . .
Empire Report (NY State)
http://empirereportnewyork.com/
http://empirereportnewyork.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/spy-e1584028315848.png
DOWN 10% – WORST DAY SINCE 1987
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/11/futures-are-steady-wednesday-night-after-dow-closes-in-bear-market-traders-await-trump.html
MOTLEY FOOL: MARKETS PANIC
https://www.fool.com/investing/2020/03/12/dow-jones-news-markets-panic-boeing-disney-tumble.aspx
PANIC HITS WALL STREET
https://markets.businessinsider.com/currencies/news/stocks-oil-bitcoin-yields-fall-trump-coronavirus-response-2020-3-1028988769
MARKETWATCH: DON’T PANIC
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/dos-and-donts-in-this-stock-market-dont-panic-do-develop-a-plan-even-if-you-didnt-have-one-before-2020-03-12
WORST-PERFORMING STOCKS
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/these-stocks-are-tumbling-the-most-thursday-with-declines-of-up-to-47-2020-03-12
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NYC DECLARES STATE OF EMERGENCY…
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/12/new-york-city-declares-state-of-emergency.html
MSG, BARCLAYS CENTER CLOSED FOR MONTHS…
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8106551/Mayor-Bill-Blasio-declares-state-emergency-New-York-City.html
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CUOMO BANS GATHERINGS OF MORE THAN 500 PEOPLE…
https://nypost.com/2020/03/12/coronavirus-in-ny-gov-cuomo-bans-gatherings-of-more-than-500-people/
328 CONFIRMED CASES IN NY STATE…
https://www.wivb.com/news/new-york/watch-cuomo-to-give-daily-update-on-coronavirus/
WE’RE GOING TO TAKE VERY DRAMATIC ACTIONS…
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/12/new-york-gov-cuomo-bans-gatherings-of-500-or-more-amid-coronavirus-outbreak.html
CUOMO: NY will see ‘same trajectory’ as China, South Korea and Italy…
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/12/coronavirus-new-york-will-see-same-trajectory-of-cases-as-china-south-korea-and-italy-gov-cuomo-says.html
UPDATE: 40 CONFIRMED CASES IN NASSAU COUNTY ALONE…
https://abc7ny.com/health/40-confirmed-coronavirus-cases-in-nassau-county/6006587/
DUTCHESS COUNTY CASE CONFIRMED…
https://www.recordonline.com/news/20200312/dutchess-resident-contracted-coronavirus-outside-county
HERKIMER COUNTY CASE CONFIRMED…
https://www.timestelegram.com/news/20200312/individual-tests-positive-for-coronavirus-in-herkimer-county
UAlbany student, Guilderland woman, others diagnosed…
https://www.timesunion.com/news/article/UAlbany-student-Guilderland-woman-others-15125490.php
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BRAZILIAN OFFICIAL PICTURED NEXT TO TRUMP LAST WEEKEND TESTS POSITIVE…
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/coronavirus-trump-brazil-positive-bolsonaro-mar-a-lago-a9397841.html
TRUMP ON STOCK MARKET NOSEDIVE: “It’s going to all bounce back and it’s going to bounce back very big”…
https://www.nbcnews.com/business/markets/trading-wall-street-temporarily-suspended-after-trump-s-crisis-response-n1156406
Trump tweets CDC advice for first time – but only AFTER lashing out at Pelosi despite calling for end to partisanship…
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8104375/Trump-lashes-Pelosi-accusing-hypocrisy-hours-calling-end-partisanship.html
NYC WARNS TO EXPECT ‘NEW RESTRICTIONS’ AS STATE GRAPPLES WITH WORSENING OUTBREAK…
https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/containment-zone-takes-effect-st-pats-postponed-ny-2nd-most-hard-hit-state-in-u-s/2323201/
De Blasio wants to avoid full NYC shutdown unless ‘there is no other choice’…
https://nypost.com/2020/03/12/coronavirus-in-ny-de-blasio-wants-to-avoid-full-nyc-shutdown/
Passenger on JetBlue flight from JFK tests positive…
https://nypost.com/2020/03/12/coronavirus-in-ny-passenger-on-jetblue-flight-from-jfk-tests-positive/
WATCH: MORNING JOE SLAMS TRUMP RESPONSE…
http://empirereportnewyork.com/coronavirus-enters-devastating-new-phase-morning-joe-msnbc/

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ANDREW TO CHRIS: IT’S MUCH MORE PREVALENT THAN WE KNOW… NUMBERS ARE GOING TO BE SHOCKING…
http://empirereportnewyork.com/new-york-gov-cuomo-says-the-real-number-of-coronavirus-cases-will-be-shocking-once-theres-more-testing-its-hereits-much-more-prevalent/
Up to 150 million Americans are expected to contract coronavirus, congressional doctor says…
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/11/up-to-150-million-americans-are-expected-to-contract-the-coronavirus-congressional-doctor-says.html
AMERICANS ARRIVING AT JFK FROM LOCKED-DOWN ITALY ARE SHOCKED BY LACK OF SCREENING…
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8098819/Americans-arriving-JFK-Milan-say-SHOCKED-no-screening-coronavirus.html
NYC CASES SURGE TO 62…
https://wcbs880.radio.com/articles/news/de-blasio-declares-state-of-emergency-over-coronavirus
1st Orange County case confirmed at Crystal Run Healthcare…
https://midhudsonnews.com/2020/03/11/case-of-coronavirus-confirmed-at-crystal-run-healthcare/
1st confirmed case in Monroe County…
https://www.rochesterfirst.com/news/local-news/1st-confirmed-case-of-covid-19-coronavirus-in-monroe-county/
WEALTHY NEW YORKERS FLEE TO HAMPTONS, HUDSON VALLEY…
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-03-11/new-yorkers-flee-to-hamptons-hudson-valley-to-escape-virus
NEW YORK TIMES PROVIDING FREE ONLINE ACCESS DURING CRISIS…
https://www.nytimes.com/news-event/coronavirus?action=click&module=Spotlight&pgtype=Homepage
NYTIMES: NEW YORKERS DEPERATE FOR A TEST COULDN’T GET ONE…
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/11/nyregion/coronavirus-testing-newyork.html
NYTIMES: A Fumbled Global Response in a Leadership Void…
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/11/world/europe/coronavirus-leadership-trump.html
Doctor with coronavirus shares daily symptoms on Twitter…
https://nypost.com/2020/03/11/subway-riders-might-pay-for-mtas-debt-with-fare-raises-cut-service/
HOGAN: NYC ST. PATRICKS’S DAY PARADE POSTPONED FOR FIRST TIME IN 258 YEARS…
https://nypost.com/2020/03/11/nyc-st-patricks-day-parade-canceled-latest-victim-of-coronavirus/

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michaelh
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Wyell that didn’t take long . . .
Baby wipes are limit 4 per customer at WalMart.

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Sadie Slays
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Someone is trying to get me removed from a mailing list because I used the term “WuFlu.” Apparently that’s the equivalent of the N word now.

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michaelh
#363904

Everything is racist.
Basically anything a non-minority does is oppressive and racist.
And what they don’t do.
Because they’re all racist.

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daughnworks247
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daughnworks247
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Sadie Slays
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Trucker Anon weighs in on the Great TP shortage of 2020. Cross-posting to the Coronavirus thread:comment imagecomment image

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michaelh
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Time to Pay Attention: Elite Reportedly Fleeing to Doomsday Bunkers Amid Covid-19 Outbreak
Matt Agorist March 12, 2020
https://thefreethoughtproject.com/super-rich-fleeing-underground-bunkers/comment image

As coronavirus fears continue to peak and the serfs fight each other over pallets of toilet paper at Costco, the world’s elite aren’t taking any chances. According to a report out of the Guardian, this week, the super-rich are preparing to self-isolate in the face of an escalation in the coronavirus crisis. But their plans extend far beyond stocking up on hand sanitizer and toilet paper.
The world’s elite are hopping on their private jets and taking off to private bunkers across the world. As the Guardian reports:

Many are understood to be taking personal doctors or nurses on their flights to treat them and their families in the event that they become infected. The wealthy are also besieging doctors in private clinics in Harley Street, London, and across the world, demanding private coronavirus tests.

Doctors in London are reportedly being secretly contracted by concerned elite to get tested for coronavirus before they move to their bunkers. This testing is in spite of the fact that Britain’s NHS said it would only test people with a “high chance” of having the illness – meaning people who had had close contact with a confirmed case or who had recently gone to a high-risk country.
Mark Ali, chief executive and medical director of the Private Harley Street Clinic, said: “This has led to huge demand from very wealthy people asking if they can pay for private testing. Unfortunately, we are unable to offer testing, as the NHS has said all tests should be done centrally.”
Although Ali claims the tests are not being done on random rich people who request it, a source told the Guardian that is not the case.
Also, chief executive of the private jet company, PrivateFly, said the elite are booking his services at a far higher rate as people flee high-risk countries.
“Many are from groups which include elderly passengers or those with health conditions that make them particularly concerned about exposure to crowds on airline flights. We’ve just flown a group back to London from the south of France, with an immunocompromised passenger on board,” he said.
Apparently, the elite are allowed to fly while the commoners are told they cannot. As TFTP reported on Monday, as coronavirus cases continued to rise in Italy, Italian officials began rolling out police state measures. If citizens attempt to flee the country to avoid such tyranny, they face jail. Anyone leaving the “containment regions” risks three months in prison, or a fine of up to 206 euros ($234), Luciana Lamorgese said on Monday.
On Wednesday, the US took similar measures, banning all flights to Europe.
Some elite may be a little late to the game, however, as the Guardian reports:

Robert Vicino, founder and chief executive of Vivos Group, a California-based company constructing underground shelters designed to withstand a range of natural disasters and catastrophes, said his firm had seen a surge in inquiries and sales since the crisis took hold.
Vivos has converted a a cold war bunker in Indiana into accommodation for 80 people, and is offering space in 575 concrete bunkers in an abandoned second world war ordnance depot in South Dakota.

As TFTP previously reported, the theory that the super elite have turned into “Doomsday preppers” stockpiling supplies in preparation for the end of the world as we know it, is more than just a theory, and the latest properties purchased by the world’s top billionaires give insight into how they plan to survive.
The cause of such an event is debatable—will an asteroid collide with Earth, or will nuclear warfare break out between two colliding super powers?
Forbes Contributor Jim Dobson noted that in addition to “preparing for future escape plans with ‘vacation homes’ in remote locations,” and “private planes ready to depart at a moment’s notice,” some of the wealthiest individuals in the U.S. are buying large amounts of land that can be used for self-survival.
Tele-Communications CEO John Malone owns a total of 2.2 million acres, with massive amounts in Wyoming and Colorado. CNN founder Ted Turner owns 2 million acres that include land in Montana, Nebraska, New Mexico and North Dakota. AEG CEO Philip Anschutz owns 434,000 acres in Wyoming. Amazon CEO Jeff Bezos owns 400,000 acres of land in Texas. And sports mogul Stan Kroenke owns 225,162 acres of land in Montana.
Dobson also noted that this type of preparation extends worldwide to moguls in Australia and New Zealand who are buying massive amounts of farmland. Because money and precious metals would be virtually useless following a major disaster, self-sustainable territory and the tools that come with it appear to be the new hot commodity.comment image
The series of “Doomsday maps” produced by Gordon-Michael Scallion with the Matrix Institute give insight into what the world would look like if a massive Asteroid or comet collided with Earth, and led to a polar shift that resulted in a cataclysmic change. While it is all still speculative, NASA’s Asteroid watch website estimates that such an event could happen as early as 2021.comment image
As The Free Thought Project reported, the concept of the super-rich preparing to survive a worldwide disaster is nothing new—former Facebook product manager Antonio García Martínez and Reddit CEO Steve Huffman are among the moguls openly preparing for a major crisis.
“I think, to some degree, we all collectively take it on faith that our country works, that our currency is valuable, the peaceful transfer of power—that all of these things that we hold dear work because we believe they work. While I do believe they’re quite resilient, and we’ve been through a lot, certainly we’re going to go through a lot more,” Huffman said.
The U.S. government is also preparing for the worst. In March 2012, former President Obama signed an executive order titled, “National Defense Resources Preparedness” into law, giving agencies such as the Department of Homeland Security, Department of Agriculture, Department of Labor and Department of Defense the authority to seize resources, materials and facilities it deems necessary to ensure national defense.
Do not mistake TFTP’s reporting on elite fleeing to their underground bunkers as ‘fear mongering’. We are simply putting this information out to keep our readers informed. Being prepared for emergencies is not panicking, it is smart. However, waiting until their is an actual emergency before you prepare is not a good idea. The government will not keep you safe. If anything, the crashing markets, the panic buying, the lockdowns, and travel bans are proof of the facade that is “government promised safety.”
That being said, whether a worldwide crisis is caused by an asteroid hitting the Earth, a nuclear war breaking out, or Covid-19, the decisions made by the elite should always act as signals for the public. When the individuals who already have massive amounts of money are preparing for a time when money is no longer valuable and self-sustainable farmland is the most precious resource, then it is time to start paying attention.

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michaelh
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When propaganda becomes a sick parody . . .
Chinese Official Suggests US Introduced Coronavirus to Wuhan, Says US ‘Owes Us an Explanation’
Chris White / @ZanderKelly30 / March 12, 2020
https://www.dailysignal.com/2020/03/12/chinese-official-suggests-us-introduced-coronavirus-to-wuhan-says-us-owes-us-an-explanation/comment image

A Chinese official suggested Thursday that U.S. officials introduced coronavirus into China’s Wuhan region as the virus makes its way to the West from the communist nation.
“The director of the U.S. Centers for Disease Control was arrested,” Lijian Zhao, deputy director of China’s Foreign Ministry Information Department, said in a tweet suggesting Centers for Disease Control and Prevention’s Robert Redfield was apprehended by authorities. Redfield was not arrested.
Zhao went on to accuse the U.S. of starting the pandemic.

He added: “When did Patient Zero appear in the United States? How many people are infected? What is the name of the hospital? It may be that the U.S. military brought the epidemic to Wuhan. America needs to be transparent! The United States owes us an explanation!”
The first case of COVID-19 is believed to have appeared December 2019 in Wuhan, China. The virus has spread since February to 36 other countries and territories and has a global death toll of 3,041, according to the CDC‘s numbers.
Deaths from the virus in China hit 811 on Feb. 9, surpassing the number of patients who died from SARS, China’s National Health Commission noted at the time. China has reported roughly 80,000 cases since February, though the number of cases in the country appears to be declining.
Meanwhile, the number of confirmed COVID-19 cases in the U.S. is growing, with more than 1,000 in 39 states as the World Health Organization declared a global pandemic Wednesday.
A global pandemic is defined as a virus that spreads across the world, and declaring an illness as such can have both political and economic consequences.
China found its own way to deal with the initial outbreak. Zhao’s government’s censors reportedly worked to suppress information about the virus as health professionals in the country spread their concern on a Chinese app called WeChat. They even punished officials who discretely warned superiors before it became a pandemic.

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michaelh
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A Doctor Explains What You Need to Know About Coronavirus
Kevin Pham / March 11, 2020
https://www.dailysignal.com/2020/03/11/a-doctor-explains-what-you-need-to-know-about-coronavirus/comment image

COVID-19, the new strain of coronavirus that originated in the Hubei province of China, has national governments struggling to keep up with the pandemic as it takes root in country after country.
The global response to COVID-19 has been varied and continues to evolve with Israel implementing broad quarantine requirements for travelers and Italy recently declaring a nationwide lockdown.
Understandably, there has been much confusion and panic, as well as indifference and nonchalance. In the face of crisis, panic is never helpful but nonchalance toward the pathogen will lead only to increased transmission and preventable illnesses, hospitalizations, and deaths.
Coronavirus is a group of viruses that that include the viruses that cause severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS) and Middle East Respiratory Syndrome (MERS).
COVID-19 is a novel strain, which means it was unknown to humans before the initial outbreak in Wuhan. But because of its relation to these other coronaviruses, it has a similar disease course.
COVID-19 causes a respiratory disease that can be relatively mild or far more severe. The illness usually begins with a high fever, cough, shortness of breath, and difficulty breathing, and in more severe cases may progress to pneumonia, respiratory distress, and/or organ failure.
Treatment for COVID-19 is similar to that of other severe respiratory diseases, namely symptomatic and supportive care as well as treating complications from the disease; many hospitalized patients require supplemental high-flow oxygen or mechanical ventilation.
Worldwide, the latest World Health Organization report shows more than 109,000 confirmed cases and 3,809 deaths. This comes out to a case fatality ratio of 3.5%. These situation reports are updated daily.
Case fatality is the proportion of deaths caused by a disease to the number of confirmed cases of the disease and is generally used to measure the lethality of a disease.
Because the outbreak began in China, it was unable to prepare and was hit hardest. Excluding China, there are 38,674 cases and 686 deaths, resulting in a case fatality ratio of 2.4%. Italy has been hard hit, with more than 7,000 cases, 366 deaths to date, and a case fatality of 5%.
Compare these numbers to the case fatality ratio of this year’s influenza season: 0.06–0.11% in the United States, and we find the case fatality rate of global COVID-19 is one to two orders of magnitude greater than that of influenza in the U.S.
The COVID-19 case fatality ratio in the United States is inflated because we have relatively few confirmed cases and thus is not useful for comparison.
COVID-19, thus, is not “just like the flu.” It may or may not ultimately infect and kill as many people as influenza viruses, but those who do contract the disease are at greater risk. The two viruses are bad, but they are different.
As mentioned, the case fatality of COVID-19 in the United States is currently 5.1%, with 11 deaths out of 213 confirmed cases. This likely will decrease as more testing finds more cases of the disease that do not result in death. The relatively high rate in America likely is inflated because of deaths of travelers of advanced age and outbreaks in nursing homes.
This last point, that older people seem particularly susceptible to severe disease, has caused some controversy.
Most infected with the virus will develop only mild to moderate flu-like disease, which will cause some to take a cavalier attitude toward the disease and downplay the severity of the pandemic. But everyone knows someone who is susceptible to severe disease.
Not only the elderly are at heightened risk, but those with weakened immune systems, such as transplant and cancer patients, individuals with chronic lung disease such as COPD or cystic fibrosis, or anyone with an otherwise weak constitution.
Writer and mother Shannon Last illustrated the point in a tweet:
https://twitter.com/shannon_last/status/1237084292292935680
COVID-19 has proven highly communicable. Those infected are likely to spread it to others. Early studies of COVID-19 in China have estimated that each infected person will spread the virus to 2-3.1 other individuals, which is comparable to SARS-CoV, the virus responsible for the 2002 outbreak of SARS.
Parents, grandparents, friends, neighbors, and any number of people we come across on a daily basis may be susceptible to the severe form of the disease.
The virus is not a death sentence for the vast majority of those who contract it, but all of us need to take the virus seriously for the sake of those at greater risk, by practicing proper hygienic practices, self-quarantines in the event of mild-moderate respiratory illness, and social distancing even if asymptomatic, especially if exposed to someone who was ill.
Of course, anyone in respiratory distress should call emergency medical services and be clear about the nature of the illness.
The United States is relatively well-prepared to withstand pandemic, but this is a system that involves us all. Each of us must do our parts to slow down the spread of the virus.
This means refraining from panicking with undue alarm as most who contract the disease not only will survive but will experience only a mild to moderate illness. Nor does it mean dismissal of a disease that is highly lethal to the old and immunocompromised, some of the most cherished people in society.
This means keeping a clear-eyed view of the reality of the virus and the responsibility each of us has to prevent its spread.

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michaelh
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Eagle Forum
Democrat Pork in Corona
March 12, 2020
https://eagleforum.org/publications/alerts/capitol-hill-reports/democrat-pork-in-corona.htmlcomment image

Washington Eyeing Second Corona Deal
Last week, Congress passed, and the President signed into law, H.R. 6074, or The Coronavirus Preparedness and Response Supplemental Appropriations Act of 2020.
While the White House had asked for $2.5 billion, the legislation totaled about $8.3 billion to combat the coronavirus. Specifically, more than $4 billion was allotted for diagnostic tests, treatments, and to help develop and disseminate a vaccine. The Centers for Disease Controls (CDC) was given $2.2 billion to help prevent, prepare, and respond to the disease. The package also included funds to help protect and care for Americans abroad, as well as get them back home, and some disaster assistance loans for small businesses hit by the sickness.
Republicans fought hard to prevent Democrats from rolling in pieces of their radical drug pricing legislation H.R. 3, or The Elijah E. Cummings Lower Drug Costs Now Act, into the supplemental package. The legislation passed the House in December but has failed to make its way to the Senate Floor. It seems Democrats are attempting to use Corona to get their priorities signed into law.
While Corona continues to spread around the globe, the World Health Organization categorized the sickness as a pandemic. And, President Trump unexpectantly addressed the nation from the Oval Office Wednesday evening. In an informative speech he outlined a few steps the nation will be undertaking to help prevent its spread. Specifically, there will be a travel restriction for European nationals into the US for the next 30 days and he will take an emergency action to financially help some Americans. Additionally, President Trump asked Congress to increase funds available for small business loans, implement a payroll tax cut, and defer tax payments for some entities and individuals.
Meanwhile, both Chambers are working on another Corona supplemental. According to Steven Dennis, a Bloomberg Reporter, Senator Schumer has a proposal that includes “six months forbearance on federal student loans, mortgages, disaster grants; SBA grants; transit assistance; rental, mortgage payment assistance; grants for child care centers. PLUS paid sick leave, etc.”
Instead of throwing around taxpayer money like it’s readily available, Congress needs to ensure that the country is prepared to prevent and treat the potential epidemic through line items like funding more tests and vaccines, not helping people pay their student loans. Eagle Forum is hopeful Republicans in the House and Senate, as well as the President, will reject any package that is full of Democrat pork that doesn’t actually do anything to help curb the disease. As of today, the Administration and Congress had yet to reach a deal.

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MAGA Mom
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Personal Story:
(If I were daughnworks247 I a sure this could be turned into a wonderful story but will do my best)
Today I woke up with a sore throat. It got worse through the morning and was got the point of feeling like it was on fire. Normally I would just drink some various teas, use a few essentials, take a nap…take in stride, deal with it for a few days.
This time…sore throat? Me: “Search Engine, what are the first symptoms of Wuhan flu? What?! Sore throat?!!!! Help!”
Made Many jars and cups of tea which we will have to finish tomorrow as No one could drink that much tea in one day. Took Heavy duty tinctures – wouldn’t even usually take a tincture just for the early sore throat! Took the Serious tinctures! Pulled out multiple essential oils – including my Serious E.O.s like Melissa (Expensive!).
Kept being Barney Fife, joking with son that I taking all of my medical advice from Barney…We are going to Nip it in the Bud!
Well, my throat was just burning…it had ramped up fast.
“Nip it in the bud” mantra kept going through my mind.
I had done everything I knew to do…except 1 thing…the essential oil of last resort: Garlic Essential Oil!!!
When we first ordered Garlic Essential Oil it had arrived sealed in a little plastic bag separate from the other essential oils in that order. We instantly knew why…could smell the garlic through the plastic bag – BIGLY! We then put that little bottle in 6 more plastic baggies, each sealed tight. Nope – still coming through as if raw garlic was sitting there on the table. We then put the bottle, still in a Russian doll of plastic baggies, into a mason jar and screwed the lid on Very Tightly, storing the jar in a storage draw.
Today, I was “concerned” enough that this may be something I had picked up in Williamson or Davidson County last week that I pulled the garlic essential oil out of my “tool box” – I was going nuclear, NO stone left unturned!
the instant we opened the bottle…GARLIC! Opened each baggie. Scent grew stronger as each layer of protection was pealed away. “Scent” is really to delicate of a word. Overwhelming odor, outrageous Stink.
But if this was Wuhan, it just didn’t matter. I wanted no regrets! Do Everything I can, damn the torpedoes, full speed ahead – at war with this virus just in case it was the Wuhan flu!
Carrier oil in my palm, broke the seal on the garlic essential oil…ugh! overpowering! I did it anyway! 3 drops (I usually overuse oils but this 1, 3 drops was Plenty!). Onto my feet with socks on standby. Let the oil sink in for about 60 seconds and then donned socks.
Put the garlic EO back into its layers of protection and opened the windows.
You just can not imagine the stench! It is NOT like being in Italian restaurant like I imagined….thought, well, I will just smell like garlic bread. NOPE. This stuff is nuclear! Have showered, washed clothes, windows open all day…still so strong.
Husband is literally concern that all of our clothes will have to be washed and his work shirts will have to be washed and back to the dry cleaners. Suits too. Seriously, not exaggerating!
Update on sore throat: almost 100% gone. barely a scratch when less than 10 hours ago it was BURNING, way worse than a typical sore throat. And has disappeared quickly too. The Garlic oil or everything else or all of it? Or was just a quick 12 hour bug?
Worth it? It killed whatever virus/bacteria was bother me and my husband is convinced that it has now disinfected our entire house…for the next 6 months!
We are laughing about but serious warning. It works but I will Never use it again unless dire illness, unless I Know it is Wuhan, not just suspect it.
I called the EO company…they said, Yep, that is why they keep the garlic essential oil out on the docks, outside, not anywhere close to the rest of their product…or work space!
So now I have revealed my identity. I am the woman who reeks of garlic. Unless I bath in tomato juice (wonder if that would work?), if you meet in the next 6 months you will be able to identify me! 😉
You are now informed, and more importantly, warned about garlic essential oil!

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michaelh
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We have some garlic ear drops. Every time we use them on the kids I start craving PIZZA . . . REALLY BAD . . . can smell it everywhere in the house!
But they work GREAT!
The trouble with sore throat as a symptom is that this time of year almost anything can cause sore throat, including seasonal allergies.
Pro Tip:
A great way to treat a sore throat is a Starbuck’s Caramel Apple Spice. The hot caramel coats the throat and sooths it. Any time my wife or I feel our throats start to get raw, we pick up a caramel apple spice and it works almost every time.
We also will drink hot apple cider, which we’ve found is also effective, but not nearly as much so as the Caramel Apple Spice.

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MAGA Mom
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When first waking up this morning I assumed it was just a dry throat from sleep…but it developed very quickly into an on Fire sore throat. Intense and quick. Better now!
I have heard of that for ear aches. Son never had them so we didn’t try it. How strong is the odor for the oil you use in the ears?
We eat garlic when sick but first experience with garlic essential oil. Whew!

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We’re pretty sensitive to smells . . . I wouldn’t say it’s very strong but it’s definitely there. I’ll be walking and I’ll smell it and wonder what’s cooking in the kitchen. It really does make it smell like a pizza is cooking in the oven!
They are very good for earaches. Stories, you know what it’s like with kids . . .

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Not a vampire within 100 miles!!!!!!!

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MAGA Mom
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I actually joked about that as I think this stench would kill anything scary! My dog is even making faces when he comes into the bedroom!
told husband & son this was so unfair as they could get away from it but it follows me like a terrible cloud every I go. Can not tell that I have had a shower.

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michaelh
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Is China Harvesting Organs from its Slave Labor Prisoners to Battle Wuhan Virus?
Published 12 hours ago on Mar 12, 2020
By Matthew McDonald
https://bigleaguepolitics.com/is-china-harvesting-organs-from-its-slave-labor-prisoners-to-battle-wuhan-virus/comment image

There are growing reports and human rights concerns that China is continuing to illegally harvest organs from its slave labor and Muslim prison populations as a way to combat the Wuhan Virus epidemic which has struck the country.
These concerns stem from a recently announced double lung transplant story out of China.
The story out of China reports that a fifty nine year old patient was diagnosed on January 26th with the virus, on February 24th this patient was given just a few days to live, and on the Febuary 29th a perfectly matching set of donor lungs were found and Dr. Chen Jingyu, Vice President of the Wuxi People’s Hospital in Jiangsu province, and his team performed a five hour double lung replacement operation on the patient, and now the patient tests negative for the virus.
Reports of operation were big news in China and even CGNT the Chinese Propaganda YouTube channel covered the miraculous operation.
But it is the very speed of finding the perfectly matching donor lungs which has set off the alarm for human rights observers.
Ruth Ingram of Bitter Winter, a publication that covers Religious Liberty and Human Rights in China, writes, “Whilst around the world waiting times for a single lung from a suitable donor could be years, China has shown this week that it need only be days, for two perfectly matched lungs to be rustled up.”
Echoing his concern, CJ Werleman of the Bylines Times writes, “The fact that the patient had to wait a mere five days for a ‘consenting’ donor to provide a perfect matching set of lungs, raises further questions about the scale and scope of the country’s illegal forced organ harvesting programme. There are growing concerns that more than three million Muslims, detained in camps, are being used as a kill-on-demand emergency backstop for Chinese Coronavirus patients.”
China has a multi-decade history of illegally harvesting the organs of people in its slave labor prisons and re-education camps, and although it pledged in 2014 to stop the illegal practice experts suspect that China continues the practice and that prisoners of conscience are the main source of the nearly sixty thousand illegal transplants that are carried out each year.

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michaelh
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Dennis Prager
Mar 12, 2020
Ep. 125 — Coronavirus: Panic or Pandemic?
https://www.prageru.com/video/ep-125-coronavirus-panic-or-pandemic/

You can’t expect to live a full life without assuming some risk. There’s a spectrum between precaution and panic, and if isn’t well-calibrated you can miss out on the best things life has to offer.

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kea
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TGP had this:
https://informationisbeautiful.net/visualizations/covid-19-coronavirus-infographic-datapack/

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michaelh
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What If Coronavirus Had Been More Serious?
There must be a new way forward that frees the United States from dependency on a country that seeks to harm us. We should seize the moment before it’s too late.
By Ned Ryun | March 11, 2020
https://amgreatness.com/2020/03/11/what-if-coronavirus-had-been-more-serious/comment image

Whatever may be the outcome of the Chinese coronavirus outbreak, it has most assuredly highlighted multiple weaknesses in U.S. policy on immigration and manufacturing. As alarmism and panic grow, whipped up in part by those hoping to damage the president in an election year, the virus—though certainly serious—appears much less likely to be as devastating as people thought it might be.
But what if it was?
What if this had been a pandemic on the level of the 1918 Spanish Flu that infected nearly one-third of the U.S. population and killed between 500,000 to 675,000. For perspective, the U.S. population at the time was just over 100 million. The equivalent death toll in our present-day population would be 1.5 million at a minimum.
What would be the results if a virus of that potency hit our shores with our porous borders and manufacturing weaknesses? What would be the impact on our healthcare system? Would it be able to withstand the pressure? I don’t think so.
As I have written, if the barbaric Chinese Communists should decide to withhold antibiotics and other medications, we are in a precarious position.
With the overwhelming majority of our antibiotics and drug supplies coming from China, juxtapose that with the fact that nearly 50 percent of Americans depend on these medications every day. What would happen if the Communist Chinese decided to weaponize that dependence?
If you think the hysteria over the coronavirus has been overwhelming, imagine how much worse it would be in the face of a real pandemic with a quickly dwindling supply of antibiotics? Now throw real panic into the mix as drug supplies disappear. Our healthcare system might actually implode under the weight of that pressure.
Almost no one is talking about this, yet they should be. Sixteen years ago, our last plant producing penicillin shut down. A New York Times story highlighted the problem—in 2009. Nobody cared. As the United States shuttered its medicinal manufacturing plants, China, which had been making heavy investments into penicillin fermentation since the early 1980s, stepped in and took a massive market share.
The offshoring of the production of antibiotics and drugs was a combination of two factors: corporatism, yes, but also the regulatory state.
We’ve seen the abuses of power that have taken place over the last few years as administrative state actors decided they would use the surveillance state and law enforcement for political purposes to target opponents over policy differences. But here we see that there are other dangers posed to citizens from the overreach of the administrative state: Namely, a regulatory regime that makes domestic production so onerous it drives that production offshore and then undermines our national interests.
But just as coronavirus has demonstrated our weaknesses with regard to antibiotic and drug manufacturing, yet again we are reminded that we do not have an adequate handle on who is coming in and out of our country.
Political pundits should not question the president’s motives or heap scorn on his quick decision to restrict the entry of people in to the United States from countries fighting major outbreaks of the Wuhan virus. His decisiveness in January most certainly bought us time.
In fact, Trump could be, and should be, even more aggressive.
The president ought to limit the points of entry to merely five: JFK, LAX, New Orleans, Vancouver, and Buffalo. He should restrict travel to places like Italy and China until this outbreak is a thing of the past. But it also should be a chance for him to remind the American people that in the event of a truly devastating pandemic, our southern border in its current state poses a real hazard to the American people.
While the media is doing its best to undermine Trump’s handling of the Wuhan virus, the president can flip the entire narrative on its head. The media wants to induce panic. Fine, we’ll play that game if that’s the way it’s going to be. Let’s see Trump turn it against them and take the chance to show Americans the weaknesses this virus has displayed in our unacceptable immigration and manufacturing systems.
We need to bring pharmaceutical production home. Trump should insist on it and make it an issue in the campaign. We need to secure our borders. Again, highlight this need in the coming election while there’s even more evidence for it.
There must be a new way forward that frees the United States from dependency on a country that seeks to harm us. We have been given a second chance to correct our foolish faults. We should seize the moment before it’s too late.

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michaelh
#363915

Coronavirus Reminds Us What Education Without Schooling Can Look Like
The coronavirus outbreak might help some parents discover better alternatives outside of traditional schooling.
Tuesday, March 10, 2020
Kerry McDonald
https://fee.org/articles/coronavirus-reminds-us-what-education-without-schooling-can-look-like/comment image

As the global coronavirus outbreak closes more schools for weeks, and sometimes months—some 300 million children are currently missing class—parents, educators, and policymakers are panicking.
Mass compulsory schooling has become such a cornerstone of contemporary culture that we forget it’s a relatively recent social construct. Responding to the pandemic, the United Nations declared that “the global scale and speed of current educational disruption is unparalleled and, if prolonged, could threaten the right to education.”
We have collectively become so programmed to believe that education and schooling are synonymous that we can’t imagine learning without schooling and become frazzled and fearful when schools are shuttered. If nothing else, perhaps this worldwide health scare will remind us that schooling isn’t inevitable and education does not need to be confined to a conventional classroom.
Mass Schooling Is a New Idea
For most of human history, up until the mid-19th century, education was broadly defined, diversely offered, and not dominated by standard schooling. Homeschooling was the default, with parents assuming responsibility for their children’s education, but they were not the only ones teaching them.
Small dame schools, or nursery schools in a neighbor’s kitchen, were common throughout the American colonial and revolutionary eras; tutors were ubiquitous, apprenticeships were valued and sought-after, and literacy rates were extremely high. Public schools existed to supplement education for families that wanted them, but they did not yet wield significant power and influence.
The Puritan colonists’ passed the first compulsory education laws in Massachusetts Bay in the 1640s describing a state interest in an educated citizenry and compelling towns of a certain size to hire a teacher or to open a grammar school. But the compulsion rested with towns to provide educational resources to those families who wanted them, not with the families themselves.
Historians Kaestle and Vinovskis explain that the Puritans “saw these schools as supplements to education within the family, and they made no effort to require parents actually to send their children to school rather than train them at home.” This all changed in 1852 when Massachusetts passed the nation’s first compulsory schooling statute, mandating school attendance under a legal threat of force. Writing in his book, Pillars of the Republic, Kaestle reminds us: “Society educates in many ways. The state educates through schools.”
Society Without Schooling
We already have glimpses of what education without schooling can look like. When the Chicago teachers’ strike shut down public schools for 11 days last October, civil society stepped up to fill in the gaps.
Community organizations such as the Boys & Girls Club opened their doors during the daytime to local youth, the aquarium and local museums offered special programming, church and religious organizations welcomed young people with tutoring and enrichment activities, public libraries and parks were populated with families, and the federal school lunch program continued to nourish children in need.
This same pattern repeats itself during summer school vacation each year, with various community organizations, local businesses, and public spaces such as libraries and parks offering educational and recreational experiences for young people.
The idea that children and adolescents need to be enclosed within a conventional school classroom in order to learn is a myth. Humans are hard-wired to learn. Young children are exuberant, creative, curious learners who are passionate about exploration and discovery. These qualities do not magically disappear with age. They are routinely smothered by standardized schooling.
As Boston College psychology professor and unschooling advocate, Peter Gray, writes in his book, Free To Learn:

Children come into the world burning to learn and genetically programmed with extraordinary capacities for learning. They are little learning machines. Within their first four years or so they absorb an unfathomable amount of information and skills without any instruction. . . Nature does not turn off this enormous desire and capacity to learn when children turn five or six. We turn it off with our coercive system of schooling.

As humans increasingly coexist with robots, it’s crucial that young people retain and cultivate the imagination, ingenuity, and desire for learning that separate human intelligence from its artificial antipode. These qualities can be ideally nurtured outside of a standardized, one-size-fits-all school classroom where children and adolescents are free to pursue their interests and develop important skills and knowledge, while being mentored by talented adults in their communities.
An example of this type of learning is a series of spring daytime classes for homeschoolers at a makerspace in Boston offering up to nine hours of content each week in topics ranging from architecture and design to STEM science and art, taught by trained engineers, scientists, and artists. These are the types of high-quality educators and learning experiences that can and do flourish when we seek and support education without schooling.
In addition to its health scare, coronavirus has triggered widespread fear about how children can be educated when they can’t go to school. Despite the fact that mass compulsory schooling is a relic of the industrial age, its power and influence continue to expand. Perhaps some families will now discover that education outside of standard schooling is not only nothing to fear but may actually be the best way to learn in the innovation era.

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MAGA Mom
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We are all John Gatto & John Holt now! 😉
(homeschooling – esp. unschooling….”Dumbing Us Down”, “The Underground History of American Education”, “How Children Learn”, etc.)

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michaelh
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Ground report for tonight, a whole slew of North Texas ISDs announced closures this week. They don’t want kids back in school after traveling for Spring Break.
Colleges are moving to Blackboard (online) classes for the time being.
Meanwhile, my wife bought curriculum for the next semester and they should be arriving soon. If we’re holed up she’s planning on putting the kids through them sooner rather than later. SHE’S TOUGH!

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March 12, 2020
Will the Coronavirus Revolutionize Education?
By Sean M. Brooks
https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2020/03/will_the_coronavirus_revolutionize_education.html

With some K-12 school districts and administrators across America panicking and attempting to get ahead of any ‘outbreak’ of the coronavirus, more districts are opting for students to stay home. I’d be willing to bet that most students thoroughly enjoy this. It’s kind of like having ‘snow days.’ However, what might be in store for these students could be far more important than a snow day, as it’s possible that the virus may herald a revolutionary shift in education.
Throughout the years, American homeschooling and online K-12 education has become far more popular and realistic than ‘brick and mortar’ public schools want to admit. School choice is disrupting and angering public school districts and officials, and school boards are voting against student vouchers so they can continue to enslave students to their school districts instead of allowing state-allocated money to travel with that student to a school of their choice. This includes online education. School districts also keep knowledge of online schools and online education far away from K-12 students and their parents, at all costs. After all, bodies in the seats mean more money for ‘brick and mortar’ school districts.
However, now that the coronavirus is causing school administrators to panic, ‘brick and mortar’ schools are encouraging students to stay home and engage in “Hybrid/Online” classes, where they communicate with their teachers online and complete online assignments and tasks at home on the internet. For most American K-12 students, this is the first time they have consistently accomplished this task at home without direct contact with the school or their classrooms, yet many of them may fail to understand that this form of online education goes on every day, throughout our country and other countries, when a virus is not in the news or infecting anyone. They may also not know that a degree from an online K-12 school counts exactly the same and holds as much weight as it does if they were waking up early every day, riding a bus, and attending a ‘brick and mortar’ American K-12 school, in person.comment image
It’s my estimation that this will be an awakening for countless American K-12 school students — and their parents — that these students actually don’t have to attend a ‘brick and mortar’ public school in order to receive a high-quality education, followed by a diploma. Once these students begin their online tasks, they may come to the realization that online learning is far more in-depth, far more rigorous, far more interesting, and yet far more quiet, as they don’t have to look to see who is about to get into a physical fight, or detest attending classes where teachers are indoctrinating them with their own personal ideologies. Therefore, the presence of this virus and the forced school closings that have occurred as a result, have perhaps created the next wave of individualists and online learners in America.
Online education requires students to think for themselves. Within typical American K-12 schools, individualism is being stamped out on purpose. Students today are forced to engage in “project-based learning,” group activities, clubs, and competitive games that ultimately seek to conquer and divide one another among their peers, without the individual person ever having a chance to think or act for themselves in a creative way. Therefore, their participation in online education has now forced them to think for themselves, by themselves, in a what hopes to be a quiet, sensible learning environment where the individual student can exist with their own mind and their own thoughts to guide them in an online landscape where the limits are endless.
The feelings that may arise throughout this inadvertent online application of learning that schools have placed on their students, may create a dialogue among the entire student population, that attending American K-12 ‘brick and mortar’ schools or even ‘brick and mortar’ colleges and universities may be unnecessary. With the rising costs of colleges and universities, and given how these institutions have become such news-makers regarding professorial indoctrination while pushing radical ideologies on their students, the current crop of American K-12 students may realize that online education is not only a successful environment, it may be a far healthier one. Suicide, is in fact, the number one cause of death among college and university students — but this isn’t the case when they attend online. Gee, I wonder why?
Perhaps this inadvertent participation, that has typically been kept in the shadows by K-12 school districts, will now show K-12 students that they may not need as many people around them in order to think for themselves and be successful. I’m willing to bet that once these K-12 students return to their ‘brick and mortar’ schools, they will be far less enthused to be there. In fact, once they return to their ‘brick and mortar’ schools when the coronavirus dust settles, they may ultimately ask themselves; “Why am I waking up early and coming here, when I could be learning online?”

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The Spin’s Really In At The New Fear-Mongering Drudge Report
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By Judi McLeod —— Bio and Archives–March 12, 2020
https://canadafreepress.com/article/the-spins-really-in-at-the-new-fear-mongering-drudge-reportcomment image

Straight-up fearmongering about the Coronavirus Threat is available for all to see today over at the Drudge Report.
The Matt Drudge Empire wants the masses to believe not that you perhaps “could” contract Coronavirus—but that you inevitably “will.”
See today’s banner announcement on Drudge (3/12/2020, 0615 hrs.)
The Drudge banner announcement is linked to a BBC article headline.
That way you can see how the original headline of the BBC article actually reads—and how Drudge brazenly changed the word “could” to “will.”
Eagle-eyed CFP senior columnist, and veteran of the US Army Military Intelligence, Lee Cary: “The spin is in at the new Drudge.”

. . . MORE . . .

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That Which We are Not to Mention
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By Tony Mangan —— Bio and Archives–March 11, 2020
https://canadafreepress.com/article/emthat-which-we-are-not-to-mention-emcomment image

Troubled times have descended upon us once again by way of the aggressive Coronavirus. We are besieged by facts and statistics at every turn in our daily lives. The CDC enumerates their efforts to protect America; the World Health Organization details what they are doing to protect the “whole world.” We wash our hands, we hug no one, we follow the guidelines.
Sanctuary cities: The Danger That Lurks
But, no one seems to broach the topic of sanctuary cities, and the dangers that may lurk there. This is “unmentionable” but this is not because of those who inhabit and reap the benefit of such places. It is because fingers must be pointed at the politicians who create these dangerous “sanctuaries” without regard to laws or restrictions. Politicians are not to be criticized for fear of being called racist, homophobic, misogynistic, unkind or hateful. The more genuine reason, though, is that when you point the finger of guilt it must not be pointed at the inhabitants of those cities, but at the politicians who lure them, seeking to manipulate them into illegal voting. Likewise, the Fake Media encourages the people in those places by assisting the crooked politicians who want them there to achieve their own ends.
I have read a number of articles identifying children and others who have died while in ICE detention facilities. Most articles describe these deaths as happening a short time after a visit to a hospital, or as a result of pre-existing conditions. The cause of death is generally described in inexact terms, such as influenza, dehydration, soon after being taken into custody, in the care of a parent, or similar. Each death seems to vaguely imply that it was the result of abuse while in ICE detention centers. The cry goes out that children have been separated from parents because they were “lost” in the processing procedures. Mention is not often made that unattended children between the ages of 7 and seventeen did indeed arrive at our border after crossing thousands of miles – yet another interesting factoid. The question should be raised: what else did these children carry with them, exactly? Perhaps part of the mystery might be that some may have been infected when they arrived, thus bringing various afflictions into our country.
Let’s get rid of any who refuse to support America and Americans FIRST!!
Politicians may tell you that it’s wrong and must stop, but do nothing except blow hot air at the problem and move on. In other words, anyone who stands by and says or does nothing about these issues is complicit in the dangers they create. You can’t blame those being encouraged to enter illegally by being promised that they will be given free things, as well as equal benefits of a citizen (which the politicians likely give them by stealing from their own constituents).
Putting the blame where it belongs is exactly what the authorities do not want. If they can get us to blame the people who come here illegally, they are free to use that as a shield for their own guilt. I urge everyone to get rid of these liars and thieves. Pray for our President, and demand that any politician we put in office must fight with all their authority for the citizens of our country, as do our military heroes all over the world. Let’s get rid of any who refuse to support America and Americans FIRST!!

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Coronavirus: why it’s not like the other fake epidemics
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By Jon Rappoport —— Bio and Archives–March 11, 2020
https://canadafreepress.com/article/coronavirus-why-its-not-like-the-other-fake-epidemicscomment image

As always, I suggest new readers go back and acquaint themselves with all my articles on the coronavirus situation. I can’t possible recapitulate the full scope of details, evidence, and analysis each time I write a piece.
In today’s episode of virus fakery and population mind control, I examine the one important difference between this phony epidemic and its predecessors—-West Nile, SARS, MERS, Swine Flu, Ebola, Zika.
Size matters. That’s the difference.
By which I mean, the size of the lie.
In previous incarnations of “raging outbreaks,” the people controlling the operation (CDC, WHO, etc.) were content to let their propaganda fade out after a short time. And as quickly as the false threat was invented, it began to dissolve.
This time, however, the controllers feel sufficiently emboldened to pour fuel on the fire of the lie and build it into an illusion of conflagration.
That’s the long and the short of this story.
In all other respects, the 2020 “epidemic” is identical to the previous duds: farcical announcement of an outbreak; miraculously quick and dubious “discovery” of a virus; deployment of diagnostic tests that don’t work; deceptive inflation of case numbers; ludicrous claim of global spread; where actual illness is occurring, a cover-up of the true reasons, which have nothing to do with a virus.
But since the total tonnage of fear porn propaganda is much larger this time around, mass quarantines are possible. These quarantines, for the dim and uninformed, appear to prove (but don’t) that the virus is highly volatile and dangerous.
In turn, the quarantines, and an accompanying urge for “self-isolation,” torpedo trade and industries and markets.
The world population, one more time, is tuned up to accept any and all medical dictates.
To put it another way, the current coronavirus fantasy could have been floated with the half-hearted intensity of prior epidemic duds. However, for no other reason than the desire to tighten the screws of control, the choice was made to shove more counterfeit chips across the table this time.
For that purpose, China was an ideal starting point. The government wouldn’t hesitate to lock down 100 million citizens—-thus ramping up the “seriousness of the matter” from the get-go—-kicking off a worldwide dither. China was the model. As I predicted, other nations would pick up the cue and feel comfortable about following suit. A deranged Italian politician has now quarantined a quarter of the country’s population.
On the bright side, the controllers are overplaying their hand. How could they not, given their front men fatuously predicting 40 to 70 percent of the world population will become “infected,” and millions will die. When that doesn’t happen, a good many people will remember those bloated projections. The boy-who-cried-wolf factor will kick in, regardless of how many social media platforms try to erase the past through censorship.
Here is an informal list of current predictions, from various sources. I suggest you keep it, in order to remember what to remind doomsayers of, when the dust clears:
* containment won’t work;
* the virus will spread unchecked all over the globe;
* the rate of transmission of the virus and the death rate will escalate;
* the virus is actually a devastating bioweapon, against which the human immune system has no defense;
* the virus’ genetic makeup, containing elements of the deadliest virus ever discovered, HIV, will wreak unprecedented havoc.
You can add other world-ending predictions as you find them.
Oh, there is one other difference between this phony epidemic and previous incarnations: the recent gigantic expansion of YouTube and other social media. And given the degree of censorship that now prevails on social media—-particularly the lunatic prohibition against “treating tragedies as hoaxes”—-billions of tidbits of epidemic fear porn have the upper hand.
It’s almost as if, once social media had their censors firmly in place, the green light, signaling “coast clear to launch the 2020 epidemic fairy tale,” flashed on.

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New York State politicians are in a panic, but they aren’t preparing for the worst yet to come.
New York’s Calm Before the Storm?
COVID-19 will test the capacity of the city’s health-care system.
Seth Barron
March 11, 2020
https://www.city-journal.org/coronavirus-crisis-nyc-health-care-systemcomment image

Mayor Bill de Blasio and his team of public-health professionals have been holding regular briefings on the coronavirus crisis in New York City, detailing the extent of its transmission in the community, updating the public on the progression of disease in infected persons, and offering guidelines about avoiding infection. The tone of the briefings is cautious concern, with an emphasis on prevention and readiness.
The city is doing an attentive and careful job of keeping New Yorkers informed about the number of people infected and the importance of hygiene and practicing social distancing, especially for people with health conditions. But certain details have emerged recently that suggest that the city is less prepared for a mass outbreak of COVID-19—the disease associated with the novel coronavirus—than officials suggest.
De Blasio and health commissioner Oxiris Barbot, a physician, have stressed that though the coronavirus is certainly contagious, the mechanics of transmission are relatively limited. “The virus can only transmit when bodily fluid, such as through a sneeze, cough, or spit, is transferred from a person who has the virus, directly into another person,” de Blasio stated in a press release. “Disease detectives”—the city’s term for epidemiologists—“have determined that the virus does not survive for more than two or three minutes in open air.”
The claim that coronavirus dies quickly upon exposure to the atmosphere is striking; it also seems to contradict information elsewhere. The World Health Organization (WHO) says that the novel coronavirus appears to behave similarly to related viruses, and “may persist on surfaces for a few hours or up to several days.” A recent article in the Journal of Hospital Infection suggests that the family of coronaviruses can persist on dry surfaces for long enough to permit transmission to the mouth, eyes, and nose. “On different types of materials,” the article says, “it can remain infectious for from 2 hours up to 9 days.”
If the novel coronavirus loses its potency after two or three minutes, then many intensive practices and precautions are unnecessary, such as constant deep cleaning of buses and subways. Closing schools for 24 hours after announcement of a local infection—as Governor Andrew Cuomo has announced that he would do—in order to sterilize buildings would also be unnecessary.
Asked how the Department of Health had concluded that the virus dies quickly in the open air, the mayor was unpersuasive. “There are studies, there are academic studies, there are global and national organizations providing the information they have,” he said. “But you know, the old saying, God bless the child who’s got his own or her own. . . . All information is valuable, but the information that we’re gleaning from our own direct experience is the most valuable to us.” When pressed, Barbot acknowledged that the finding is hypothetical. “This is a novel virus that we’re still learning a lot about,” she said, “and there is still science that’s coming out and you will find in the literature that in a lab setting you can have the virus live up to a couple of hours, but in everyday world scenarios, what we’re learning from our partners from around the globe is that typically it’s in a range of minutes.”
Since the virus’s surface-contamination properties remain in dispute, the city would have been better off not presenting its own findings as fact. That would make its broader instructions less contradictory, such as affirming that deep cleaning is a best practice but also insisting that balustrades, subway poles, and elevator buttons are generally safe to handle.
More troubling is the insistence that New York’s hospital system is fully capable of handling a widespread COVID-19 outbreak, which in extreme cases can cause total respiratory failure and necessitate intubation. De Blasio and Dr. Mitchell Katz, the head of NYC Health + Hospitals—the largest public-health network in the country—have said repeatedly that the hospital system has “1,200 beds that can be brought online immediately,” as a reserve stock.
As a public-health emergency, COVID-19 is a logistical crisis about capacity. As is widely accepted now, most people who get infected—perhaps 80 percent—are asymptomatic or suffer only lightly. Of the remainder, a fraction become seriously ill, and require the use of a ventilator. The disease appears to be spreading exponentially, with the total number of new cases outside of China increasing by a factor of ten every 14 to 16 days. Assuming this trend holds, then the 20 or so cases we see in New York City now could reach 2,000 by mid-April, 200,000 by mid-May, and even 2 million by June.
New York City’s entire hospital system—including public and private hospitals—currently has about 26,000 beds. If 10 percent of the city’s population becomes infected, and only 5 percent of those 850,000 people become seriously ill, that would still require 42,500 hospital beds—and nursing staff to tend to the patients, along with ventilators and other equipment. Katz offered an optimistic take on that prospect: “Our hospitals have tents that would allow us to turn a parking lot into an intensive care unit. . . . 80 percent of people are going to be fine. Only about 20 percent of people might have symptoms serious enough to be in the hospital. And it’s even a much smaller number, perhaps 4 or 5 percent that actually would require intensive care or intubation.”
It’s probably true that, even if 2 million New Yorkers are infected by June, and only 5 percent—100,000—need to be intubated, that it wouldn’t happen all at once. “Flattening the curve” of the infection rate through social distancing and hygiene will, it is hoped, attenuate a flood of sick people into the city’s hospitals. Nonetheless, the image of intensive-care parking lots is less than encouraging for anxious New Yorkers.

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March 12, 2020
Since When Are Viruses Racist?
By Brian C. Joondeph
https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2020/03/since_when_are_viruses_racist.html

In the identity politics world of the progressive left, everything is racist. Using the pseudo-concept of intersectionality, all grievance groups overlap, except the groups of white, male, Christian, and heterosexual. The intersectionality of those four groups represents the ultimate in racism and bigotry, the scourge of civilization.
In this mindset, it makes perfect sense for inanimate objects to be labeled as racist. For example, a “black hole” is now considered by some to be a racist term. Perhaps we should use “singularity,” since it’s so much easier for the average person to understand.
Cold weather, air, dogs, solar eclipses, and farmers markets are also considered racist to the woke progressives. So, it’s no surprise that something so small that it cannot be seen with an ordinary microscope is also said to be racist.
I speak of a virus, the “Wuhan virus,” to be specific. Or the “Chinese Coronavirus” to use another term. This virus is busy causing not a mass epidemic, but mass hysteria, leading people to empty store shelves of toilet paper and hand sanitizer. Also known as COVID-19, the Wuhan virus, like so many of its predecessors, is named based on where it was first identified, in this case, Wuhan, China.
In an intellectually functional society, claiming a virus name is racist would be nonsensical. But in America, where thoughtful discussion is replaced by cliched outrage and common sense has been relegated to history books, the name “Wuhan virus” has become the latest trigger for the left.
One of our congressional thought leaders, Rep. Ilhan Omar, tweeted out an accusation of racism after Rep. Kevin McCarthy referred to the virus as “Chinese Coronavirus.” Isn’t that where the virus originated? It’s not the Swedish or Bolivian Coronavirus.comment image
Rep. Omar had no similar outrage when a New York Times editorial writer called it the “Trumpvirus.” President Trump didn’t create the virus and it didn’t originate from one of his properties, but instead came from China. What’s wrong with calling it what it is?
Speaking of the New York Times, they piled on as well, complaining that conservatives calling it the Wuhan virus is not only racist, but also xenophobic. How long until someone adds homophobic or sexist to the criticism?comment image
Predictably CNN joined the chorus claiming “racism and xenophobia.” Salon was close behind with their caterwauling, “the racist art of naming a virus.”
Viruses are tiny inanimate objects, consisting of a few strands of DNA or RNA, surrounded by a protein coat, measuring around 100 nanometers in size.
They don’t wear white robes or march for “viral supremacy.” They infect individuals of all races, colors, sexes, religions, and national origin. Viruses don’t care where you were born. They aren’t concerned over what bathroom you prefer to use. Viruses don’t give a whit about your political party membership or whether you believe the earth is flat.
Virus are among the least racist objects in our world. Yet in the left’s wokeness, virus names are racist. How have past viruses and similar infectious diseases been named?
The Spanish flu of 1918-20 did not originate in Spain, but was first reported by Spain as they were neutral in World War I. But the name stuck and wasn’t considered racist.
Rubella, also known as German measles, is a viral infection first described by a German physician in 1740, thus the name. Angela Merkel is a woke EU politician, but I haven’t heard her complain that German measles is racist or xenophobic.
The Ebola virus was first discovered in 1976 near the Ebola River in the Democratic Republic of Congo and was appropriately named after where it was found.
A hemorrhagic fever virus similar to Ebola named Marburg was first recognized in 1967 in of all places, Marburg, Germany.
MERS is the Middle East Respiratory Syndrome, first reported in Saudi Arabia. When discovered in 2012 during the Obama administration, I don’t recall cries of racism or Islamophobia because the virus was identified with the Middle East, where it first appeared.
The bubonic plague, technically a bacterial, not a viral, infection from the 14th century was called “black death” because black spots formed on the skin of those infected. Imagine if Don Lemon or Al Sharpton were alive then and how they would howl over the name “black death.”
Swine flu, also known as H1N1, from 2009, was so named because people who caught it had direct contact with pigs. The animal rights groups were not offended at the time or hollering about “speciesism” over the use of the term “swine.” What would they say about “bird flu” or “chickenpox”?
Smallpox is another horrific virus called “small” to distinguish it from syphilis, or the “great pox.” How long until short people cry “heightism” and claim the name “small” is discriminatory?
Remember the Zika virus? This was discovered in 1947 in the Zika Forest in Uganda and named accordingly.
Lyme disease, not a virus but instead a bacterial infection passed on through tick bites, was first recognized in 1975 after a number of children developed arthritis. Where were these children living at the time? Lyme, Connecticut, hence the name Lyme disease.
Let’s continue. West Nile virus was first isolated in a woman in the West Nile district of Uganda in 1937 and was named as such.
Rift Valley fever is a viral infection affecting humans and animals. It was first identified in 1931 as a sheep epidemic on a farm in the Rift Valley in Kenya, hence the name.
Then there is Rocky Mountain spotted fever, not a virus, but like Lyme disease, a tickborne disease first recognized in 1986 in the Snake River Valley of Idaho — which just so happens to be in the Rocky Mountains.
Colorodans are sufficiently woke to have selected Bernie Sanders in the Democrat primary, but none are complaining about this infectious disease being named after their home in the Rocky Mountains.
Many diseases and infections are named after who discovered them or where they were discovered. It’s as simple as that. Wuhan virus originated in Wuhan, not Tokyo, not Bangkok. To claim the name is racist is silly.
Big media is pushing the story that, “Republicans face backlash over racist labeling of coronavirus.” But the reality is that this current viral outbreak started in Wuhan, China. The left deserves the backlash over shaming the country over politically correct nonsense.
Calling it the Wuhan virus is accurate and scientifically appropriate, but certainly not racist.

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Very Important article on the way Hollywood is used to prepare and program people on how to react when certain events seem to become reality . . .
How the Movie “Contagion” Laid the Blueprint for the Coronavirus Outbreak
In the midst of the coronavirus panic, the 2011 movie “Contagion” became one of the most-watched movies online. Here’s a look at the main themes of the movie and how they are becoming a reality in 2020.
Published 2 days ago on March 11, 2020
By Vigilant Citizen
https://vigilantcitizen.com/latestnews/how-the-movie-contagion-laid-the-blueprint-for-the-coronavirus-outbreak/comment image

As coronavirus spreads fear and panic across the world, streaming services have been observing a spike of interest in the 2011 movie Contagion. Starring Matt Demon, Gwyneth Paltrow and Lawrence Fishburne, the movie follows the outbreak of a deadly virus called MEV-1 and its disastrous impacts on society. Needless to say, in today’s context, Contagion is not a comforting watch. In fact, if the whole Coronavirus situation is already making you anxious, you should probably avoid Contagion. Because it will only make things worse.
In fact, the slogan of the movie is “Nothing spreads like fear” – and that is basically the goal of the movie. To scare and to educate. Over eight years ago, I wrote the article “Contagion”: How Disaster Movies “Educate” the Masses where I highlighted the main messages of this movie and the blueprint it lays it out for future epidemics.
Back in 2012, I found it important to analyze this movie because it is not simply a “scary thriller”. In fact, there is nothing entertaining about that movie. It is an educational video. It is an “ultra-realistic” depiction of a massive pandemic outbreak that takes place in real locations and that involves real organizations. Indeed, while the movie was directed by Steven Soderbergh, its narrative was shaped with input from the World Health Organization (WHO), the Center for Disease Control (CDC) and various specialists.
Here’s an excerpt of an interview with Contagion writer Scott Z. Burns about the involvement of these organizations in the making of the movie:

CS: Were you able to get in touch with anyone from the World Health Organization (WHO)?
Burns: Yeah, I went to CDC in Atlanta a number of times. We actually shot part of the movie there, and we did have a lot of conversations with WHO throughout the process. Larry Brilliant and Dr. Lipkin helped us a lot in terms of reaching out to WHO, so they were very aware of the movie. In fact, we shot part of the movie there as well. The scene where Marion Cotillard walks in (to the office) in Geneva.
– Coming Soon, CS Interview: Contagion Writer Scott Z. Burns

To put things in context, the movie came out a couple of years after the H1N1 crisis in 2008. After months of panic and a mass vaccination campaign, some studies showed that the WHO and the CDC grossly overestimated the number of actual H1N1 cases and pushed a vaccine that many deemed unnecessary. A movie like Contagion was a good remedy for this tarnished credibility.
In 2020, the world faces another major epidemic scare and Contagion becomes relevant again. Not only that, but mass media has also been casting a solid spotlight on it.comment image
(A recent headline from the New York Times about Contagion.)
So, is Contagion accurate? Yes, more than ever. Let’s look at the main themes of the movie and how they are becoming a reality in 2020.

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IMO this is a must read article. The programming of the movie is shocking.comment image
(Buying tons of toilet paper in California: What people do when they’re scared but are not sure what to do.)

In Conclusion
As I explained back in 2012, the aim of Contagion was not to entertain but to educate. It lays a blueprint for the process that needs to take place when an epidemic arises: Fear and panic. Breakdown of social order. Control and lockdowns. Social distancing. Mandatory solution and repression of those who oppose it.
While, in 2020, things might not go as far as in Contagion (let’s hope not), the movie mentally prepares people for what could happen. And therein lies the awesome power of mass media to shape and mold society on a global level.

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New York State stumbling out of the post-apocolyptic darkness this rainy Friday the 13th
Empire Report (NY State)
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NYC FOOD STORES MOBBED
*https://nypost.com/2020/03/12/its-hell-in-there-nyc-food-stores-mobbed-amid-coronavirus-fears/
NYC’S LARGEST CHINESE RESTAURANT CLOSES
*https://nypost.com/2020/03/12/jing-fong-nycs-largest-chinese-restaurant-closes-as-coronavirus-hurts-business/
NYT: SOMETHING WEIRD HAPPENING ON WALL STREET
*https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/12/upshot/markets-weird-coronavirus.html
VENUES SHUT DOWN
*https://www.nydailynews.com/coronavirus/ny-coronavirus-new-york-city-colosures-20200312-7vcq25eggjcgtodcuqivnvj6de-story.html
RAINY FRIDAY THE 13TH
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NYC DECLARES STATE OF EMERGENCY…
*https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/12/new-york-city-declares-state-of-emergency.html
CUOMO BANS GATHERINGS OF MORE THAN 500 PEOPLE…
*https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/12/new-york-city-declares-state-of-emergency.html
CUOMO: GOING TO GET WORSE BEFORE IT GETS BETTER…
*https://www.pressrepublican.com/news/local_news/cuomo-going-to-get-worse-before-it-gets-better/article_4ff72261-3dbf-5865-ac6c-53aa5f5b48aa.html
WE’RE GOING TO TAKE VERY DRAMATIC ACTIONS…
*https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/12/new-york-gov-cuomo-bans-gatherings-of-500-or-more-amid-coronavirus-outbreak.html
CUOMO: NY will see ‘SAME TRAJECTORY’ as China, South Korea and Italy…
*https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/12/coronavirus-new-york-will-see-same-trajectory-of-cases-as-china-south-korea-and-italy-gov-cuomo-says.html
POLITICO: CUOMO VS. CORONAVIRUS…
*https://www.politico.com/states/new-york/albany/story/2020/03/11/peak-cuomo-emergency-mode-prompts-all-consuming-new-york-coronavirus-response-1266606
PREGNANT NYC WOMAN DENIED SCREENING…
*https://www.silive.com/coronavirus/2020/03/whats-it-take-to-be-tested-pregnant-westerleigh-woman-denied-coronavirus-screening.html
MSG, BARCLAYS CENTER CLOSED FOR MONTHS…
*https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8106551/Mayor-Bill-Blasio-declares-state-emergency-New-York-City.html
NYTIMES AZI: HOW TO HELP!…
*https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/12/nyregion/nyc-coronavirus-help-volunteer.html
UNION QUESTIONS NURSES’ SAFETY, PROTECTION…
*https://www.silive.com/coronavirus/2020/03/coronavirus-nurses-union-questions-their-safety-protection.html
328 CONFIRMED CASES IN NY STATE…
*https://www.wivb.com/news/new-york/watch-cuomo-to-give-daily-update-on-coronavirus/
UPDATE: 40 CONFIRMED CASES IN NASSAU COUNTY ALONE…
*https://abc7ny.com/health/40-confirmed-coronavirus-cases-in-nassau-county/6006587/
DUTCHESS COUNTY CASE CONFIRMED…
*https://www.recordonline.com/news/20200312/dutchess-resident-contracted-coronavirus-outside-county
HERKIMER COUNTY CASE CONFIRMED…
*https://www.timestelegram.com/news/20200312/individual-tests-positive-for-coronavirus-in-herkimer-county
UAlbany student, Guilderland woman, others diagnosed…
*https://www.timesunion.com/news/article/UAlbany-student-Guilderland-woman-others-15125490.php
Passenger on JetBlue flight from JFK tests positive…
*https://nypost.com/2020/03/12/coronavirus-in-ny-passenger-on-jetblue-flight-from-jfk-tests-positive/
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AUSTRALIAN POLITICIAN WHO MET IVANKA, AG BARR INFECTED…
*https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2020/03/13/coronavirus-australian-politician-who-met-ivanka-trump-attorney-general-william-barr-infected/5040253002/
TRUMP: ‘Not concerned’ Brazilian official he met with tested positive…
*https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-concerned-brazilian-official-met-tested-positive-coronavirus/story?id=69558063
Lindsey Graham to self-quarantine after Mar-a-Lago trip…
*https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/487318-graham-to-self-quarantine-after-mar-a-lago-trip
TRUMP OVAL OFFICE SPEECH WAS A SLAPDASH, LAST-MINUTE ENDEAVOR: AIDES…
*https://theweek.com/speedreads/901974/trumps-oval-office-coronavirus-speech-slapdash-lastminute-endeavor-aides-say
NYTIMES: TRUMP STRUGGLES TO UNIFY A NATION ON EDGE…
*https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/12/us/politics/trumps-coronavirus-unity.html
BIDEN, BERNIE SLAM TRUMP RESPONSE…
*https://www.npr.org/2020/03/12/814664206/joe-biden-to-deliver-coronavirus-remarks-amid-deepening-crisis
SCHUMER TO ASK TRUMP TO DECLARE NATIONAL EMERGENCY…
*https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/11/politics/schumer-coronavirus-emergency-declaration/index.html
SCHUMER: NY will receive $750M a month from coronavirus bill…
*https://nypost.com/2020/03/12/schumer-says-new-york-will-receive-750m-a-month-from-coronavirus-bill/
TRUMP ON STOCK MARKET NOSEDIVE: “It’s going to all bounce back and it’s going to bounce back very big”…
*https://www.nbcnews.com/business/markets/trading-wall-street-temporarily-suspended-after-trump-s-crisis-response-n1156406
Trump says he’ll likely curtail rallies…
*https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/487259-trump-says-hell-likely-curtail-rallies-amid-coronavirus
NYTIMES: Sick People Across US Say They Are Being Denied Coronavirus Test…
*https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/12/us/coronavirus-testing-challenges.html
Up to 150 million Americans are expected to contract coronavirus, congressional doctor says…
*https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/11/up-to-150-million-americans-are-expected-to-contract-the-coronavirus-congressional-doctor-says.html
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WATCH: COLBERT’S FIRST-EVER-NO-AUDIENCE LATE SHOW MONOLOGUE…
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WATCH: FALLON PERFORMS TO EMPTY AUDIENCE…
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Tom Hanks, Rita Wilson update fans after coronavirus diagnosis…
*https://pagesix.com/2020/03/12/tom-hanks-and-rita-wilson-update-fans-after-coronavirus-diagnosis/?_ga=2.190700011.1736781265.1572779828-1391187407.1521819137
CUOMO: Loss of revenue to the state will be incalculable.. previous budget projection “based on reality 60 days ago that no longer exists”…
*https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/12/new-york-gov-cuomo-bans-gatherings-of-500-or-more-amid-coronavirus-outbreak.html
GOTHAMIST: ALBANY GRAPPLES WITH BUDGET…
*https://gothamist.com/news/albany-grapples-budget-coronavirus-tightens-grip-economy
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5 TIPS FOR STAYING PRODUCTIVE WHILE WORKING FROM HOME…
*https://time.com/5801725/work-from-home-remote-tips/
The 58 Best Pandemic Movies to Binge…
*https://www.vulture.com/2020/03/best-pandemic-movies-on-netflix-hulu-prime-and-more.html
10 creative ways to keep kids, teens busy and engaged…
*https://www.courierpostonline.com/story/life/2020/03/12/home-due-coronavirus-10-creative-ways-keep-kids-teens-busy-and-engaged/5015221002/

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Speaking of Hollywood programming . . .
Mar. 9, 2020
The 58 Best Pandemic Movies to Binge in Quarantine
By Jordan Crucchiola
https://www.vulture.com/2020/03/best-pandemic-movies-on-netflix-hulu-prime-and-more.html

The coronavirus poses a looming threat to many of us. Whether that means you are hoarding rice and canned beans, focusing on buying all the Purell left on Earth, or just trying not to touch your face, the possible pandemic of COVID-19 is affecting just about everyone’s lives in one way or another. So, if the stress of going outside is getting to be too much, or you are perhaps medically mandated not to leave your home for 14 days, Vulture has assembled an attempt at comfort: a list of contagion movies you can watch to either counterintuitively ease your fears or willfully exacerbate them. It is broken down by category for ease of use.
Classic Contagion
Outbreak
The movie that turned a micro-generation into hypochondriacs, Outbreak is about a fictional California town that is entirely quarantined when it becomes ground zero for an Ebola–like outbreak in the U.S. The story centers on the CDC and military medical researchers charged with containing and treating the infected, and it has people bleeding out of orifices and that one extremely scary movie theater scene that made almost everyone currently between about 30 and 35 think they were going to catch a catastrophic illness in a movie theater. (Available on Netflix.)
Contagion
The disease disaster movie on everyone’s lips right now! Steven Soderbergh’s Contagion is best known for the terrifying death of Gwyneth Paltrow very early on in the movie, which makes us all realize that the fictional disease spreading across Earth is super serious. (You can’t just kill Gwyneth like that!) The movie is front-loaded with dread before turning into a chilling sociological study of what everyday people would do during a pretty realistic seeming pandemic. (Available on Hulu.)
The Flu
In this South Korean film, a severely deadly strain of the virus H5N1 starts tearing through the city of Bundang, killing those who contract it within 36 hours. The population of nearly 1 million are suddenly in danger of being wiped out en masse. (Available on iTunes or Prime.)
The Cassandra Crossing
Sophia Loren, Martin Sheen, Ava Gardner, and Burt Lancaster are among the stars in this film about a European train that is attacked by Swedish terrorists (which you don’t hear about every day!) and infected with a deadly pathogen. The train is also speeding toward an unstable bridge, but no one on board is being allowed off. (Available on Tubi, YouTube or Google Play.)
Infection
When a doctor’s mistake leads to dire consequences for a patient, a strange illness starts afflicting the medical staff who helped cover it up. This Japanese movie is a little bit more outlandish with its deaths, with the infected liquifying into a green goop, but it’s important to have a global perspective on outbreaks. (Available on Tubi and Vudu.)
Virus (2019)
This Indian film is based on the true events surrounding the 2018 Nipah virus outbreak in Kerala and the local community’s mobilization effort to stop the spread. (Available on Prime.)
The Bay
If you’re a sucker for found footage, try this movie about a quaint little town that turns into a breeding ground for a waterborne organism that takes control of the minds and bodies of its hosts. While not the best film ever created, there’s something especially convincing about the “recovered” footage that will truly trick you into believing you’ve just watched a town burn itself down with madness. (Available on Hulu.)
Deranged
The parasite in this South Korean film drives the infected to drown themselves, and when one man’s family is infected, he has to do what he can to try and find a cure as the condition spreads across the nation and the government sends the afflicted into quarantine. (Available on iTunes and YouTube.)
Carriers
Chris Pine, Piper Perabo, and Emily VanCamp star in this movie about a group of friends trying to outrun a pandemic who realize on their journey that the evils of man are just as threatening as any virus. (Available on Netflix.)
The Last Days
Here’s another novel contagion take: An affliction called The Panic has swept across humanity, causing people to become so severely agoraphobic that they actually die if they are forced outside. Our hero, Marc, has been trapped in an office building, but sets out to find his girlfriend, and has to do so without ever actually setting foot beyond shelter. (Available on Hulu.)
Pontypool
The strength of Pontypool is its limited scope. While humanity is being brought to its knees by a rapidly spreading infection, we only experience the crisis through the perspective of an Ontario radio disc jockey who is receiving sporadic reports of the mayhem outside. (Available on iTunes and Shudder.)
The Zombies Are Coming
28 Days Later
Writer and director Danny Boyle changed the zombie genre forever with 28 Days Later, in which a handful of survivors come together a month after a mysterious virus has decimated the U.K. and try to survive long enough to be rescued. (Available on Hulu.)
Dawn of the Dead (1978)
You could watch a lot of “of the Dead” movies, but we recommend Romero’s sequel to his formative zombie classic. The contagion has gone beyond the farmhouse of the first film, and it’s taking over the entire U.S. The story focuses on a group of survivors who make their way to a mall together, and it’s one of the best movies ever made about the deleterious effects of an unstoppable pandemic in its early stages.
It Stains The Sands Red
This intimate contagion movie focuses almost entirely on one woman who is stranded in the Nevada desert right when a zombie infection starts to take hold. She has to wander into nothingness in the hopes of reaching safety, and along the way she is followed by one single shuffling zombie who becomes a sort of companion/reminder of her fragile mortality and the mistakes she has made in her life. (Available on iTunes or Prime.)
Rabid
David Cronenberg is the master of body horror, and in this 1977 film, he focuses on a woman who develops a strange growth under her arm after a surgery that she uses to feed on human blood. When she pierces people with her stinger, they become blood-hungry, zombie-like monsters, and the medical facility where she’s being cared for soon becomes a hunting ground. (Available on Tubi, Prime and iTunes.)
Train to Busan
Train to Busan is one of the best of a lot of things: one of the best zombie movies ever, one of the best outbreak movies ever, one of the best action movies of the 21st century, and one of the best movies that’s mostly set on a train. A businessman and his daughter board a train to Busan as an epidemic begins ripping through South Korea, and while the moving train is semi-safe from the crumbling world outside, everything goes to hell when the infection reaches the passengers. It’s thrilling. It’s moving. It’s terrifying. It’s tragic. (Available on Netflix.)
World War Z
Brad Pitt and Mireille Enos star in this epic contagion movie that features maybe the largest mass of sprinting zombies ever put on screen. Pitt plays a former United Nations investigator who agrees to make his way through the infected landscape to find the source of the outbreak and hopefully a cure before everyone falls to the pandemic. (Available on Hulu.)
Postapocalypse (and More Zombies)
I Am Legend
Virologist Will Smith lives in a hollowed-out Manhattan and fights vampiric monsters called Darkseekers after a modified measles virus, that was meant to cure cancer, kills 90 percent of humanity. When he meets a pair of immune humans, he is given renewed hope that he can make a cure. (Available on iTunes and Prime.)
Cargo
You could watch any old zombie outbreak movie during your contagion binge, but there was a small wave of movies during the mid-2010s that focused on the ennui of the end of the world more than the panicky horror of the outbreaks themselves. Cargo is one of them, and it stars Martin Freeman as a man in the Australian outback who ends up caring for a child that he must guide to survival. It’s for your sad dad feelings. (Available on Netflix.)
Here Alone
Here Alone is another emo-zombie movie that’s more about melancholy than it is the terrors of the blood thirsty undead. A woman lives in isolation after losing her daughter and husband and is buried under the guilt of surviving without them, but her life changes when she meets a teen girl and her stepdad. But can anyone ever really trust happiness in the postapocalypse? (Available on Netflix.)
It Comes At Night
If you want a slow-burn, haunting drama about just how bad and sad things would be after a sickness of some kind brought down society, It Comes At Night, which focuses on two families who come together in the wilderness, will definitely fill that need. (Available on Netflix.)
The Last Man on Earth
This is the original film adapted from Richard Matheson’s novel I Am Legend, except, because it’s from 1964, it stars Vincent Price as the surviving scientist instead of Will Smith. Sort of similar energies between them. (Available on Prime.)
The Night Eats the World
This is a zombie movie, yes, but more than that it is about the monotony of survival and the crushing weight of loneliness when you’re the only person in a dead world, which is exactly what one man in this movie experiences after he goes to a house party and wakes up to the apocalypse in an apartment building. (Available on Prime.)
The Omega Man
An army colonel played by Charlton Heston is the only known survivor of a biowarfare catalyzed plague, and he spends his nights hunting plague-infected mutants throughout desolate Los Angeles. He’s being hunted by the infected too, who blame science and technology for the downfall of man and see him as its embodiment. But since he saved himself with an experimental vaccine treatment, he might be able to cure others if he finds more healthy survivors. (Available on iTunes and Prime.)
Resident Evil Franchise
The Resident movies will provide hours of quarantine entertainment on their own, beginning with the humble first film in which we meet our heroine, Alice, and get acquainted with the T-virus that has obliterated humanity thanks to a break in containment at the evil Umbrella corporation. From there, the world gets bigger and wilder over the course of six movies, in which Milla Jovovich wipes out a lot of monsters and bad guys and mutant crows. (Available on Prime.)
Ravenous
This French-Canadian zombie movie is another artful zom-drama entry that really emphasizes the emotional toll of survival, and even includes a large, mysterious tower made of chairs that draws the zombies to it. For your thinkier art-house undead fans. (Available on Netflix.)
Life After Infection (and, Still, Some More Zombies)
12 Monkeys
Terry Gilliam directed this sci-fi film about a man who is sent back in time from the year 2035 to stop a pandemic that will wipe out most of the world’s population and force the survivors to live underground, a disaster that will begin in 1996. (Available on Hulu.)
The Girl with All the Gifts
While the world is still largely overrun with zombies, called hungries, who were turned by a fungal infection, limited pockets of humanity still exist, and on a military base in England, scientists are studying children born of infected mothers — human-hungry hybrids that may contain the key to unlocking a cure in their blood. When the base is overrun, though, a group of survivors are flung out into the landscape and their survival will dictate who inherits the Earth. (Available on Hulu.)
Children of Men
A mysterious illness prompted every woman in the world to miscarry in the early 2000s, and for nearly 20 years since that event — which happened around the same time as a highly deadly flu pandemic — no new children have been born. The world has descended into chaos, but if there’s a hope for humanity, it might come in the form of a depressed Clive Owen, his activist ex-wife, Julianne Moore, and a young refugee woman. (Available on Hulu.)
The Cured
This Irish horror-drama takes place in the aftermath of the infection period when a disease called the Maze Virus, that basically turned people into rage zombies, has largely been cured. However, reintegration of the formerly infected — many of whom are still in captivity and heavily stigmatized by restrictionists — is a hard process, and society must reconcile welcoming the survivors back when they may have murdered friends and loved ones while sick. The government is considering killing them all anyway to stave off a new wave of the disease, but infected rights advocates are pushing back. There’s … a lot of metaphor, and also Ellen Page. (Available on Prime.)
Daybreakers
The contagion in Daybreakers has turned most of the world’s population into vampires, and when the human population plummets, that means the new dominant race is short on food. Some of the undead are driven psychotic by hunger, and scientists are working tirelessly on developing synthetic blood to address the shortages. The movie centers on a hematologist (and vampire) played by Ethan Hawke, who makes a pair of human allies in the fight against vampirism. (Available on iTunes and Prime.)
Doomsday
Scotland has been designated a quarantine area after an outbreak of the deadly Reaper virus prompted the government to force all the infected into containment and locked the gates behind them. Twenty-five years after the crisis, major Eden Sinclair (Rhona Mitra), who had to leave her mother in the hot zone as a child, is being sent back home to find a counteragent to the virus after infections start popping up in London. Survivors, however, have turned into maniacs and marauders, and Sinclair is going to have to kill her way through. (Available on iTunes and Prime.)
Maggie
In Maggie, a pandemic known as Necroambulism is just barely under government control, and society is limping its way back to life as the infected are put into quarantine. Arnold Schwarzenegger plays a man whose daughter (Abigail Breslin) is bit, and he decides to care for her at home over the weeks it will take her to turn full undead cannibal. It’s a zombie movie, but it’s also a family movie. (Available on iTunes and Prime.)
The Maze Runner Franchise
A virus called The Flare has devastated humanity and forced survivors into small enclaves of civilization. Over the course of the the three Maze Runner films, you’ll meet your cast of young heroes trying to change the world, a massive shady conglomerate known as WCKD that seems to be at the center of everything bad that is happening, and you’ll go into the global wasteland known as The Scorch. (Available on iTunes and Prime.)
Virus (1980)
Virus is a Japanese movie that goes where more contagion movies should: Antarctica. After an outbreak dubbed the “Italian Flu” wipes out most of the world, a group of survivors in the Antarctic are protected by the continent’s deeply cold climate where the disease cannot take hold. However, a looming Soviet incursion of the base and the threat of a nuclear missile launch make survival even more tricky than it already is while living at the frozen bottom of the world. (Available on Tubi and Prime.)
A Little Bit Alien
The Andromeda Strain
Based on the book by Michael Crichton, Strain focuses on a group of research scientists who are brought into the town of Piedmont, New Mexico, after a government satellite crashes there and kills almost all of the residents, thanks to a microscopic alien organism that the downed equipment brought to Earth. (Available on iTunes or Prime.)
The Faculty
The 1990s was the peak of teen horror, and The Faculty assembled a buzzy cast — Josh Hartnett, Elijah Wood, Salma Hayek, Clea DuVall, Jon Stewart, and more — for this story of a standard American high school overrun by an alien invasion that turns humans into host drones. (Available on iTunes and Prime.)
Invasion of the Body Snatchers (1978)
There have been multiple very good film versions of Body Snatchers, but we will most highly recommend the version starring Donald Sutherland as a San Francisco man who starts to suspect that people around him are acting strangely because of some sinister force, instead of just a benign illness. And oh, boy, is he right! Welcome your pod overlords. (Available on iTunes and Prime.)
The Puppet Masters (1994)
Did you like watching Donald Sutherland in the middle of an Earth takeover by alien parasites that can control people’s minds in Invasion of the Body Snatchers? Well, you can watch something similar happen in The Puppet Masters. Based on the book of the same name by Robert A. Heinlein, this time there is a government intervention to try and squash the infections, but will they be able to stop the extra terrestrials in time? (Available on iTunes and Prime.)
Pandemic Comedies!
Slither
The first feature film from director James Gunn, Slither is set in a small town where everyone knows each other that is overrun by an alien plague. It’s gross-out horror. It’s a love story. It’s Nathan Fillion and Elizabeth Banks and Michael Rooker having a great time with friends. (Available on iTunes and Prime.)
Warm Bodies
Zombie movies are always so bleak (which is fair), but Bodies imagines, “What if they could still feel?” Nicholas Hoult plays an undead guy named R who is tired of his tedious life of shambling around, but everything changes when he thinks he’s fallen for a living girl (Teresa Palmer). R could be the key to saving the world, but they’re going to have to address that zombies versus humans civil war going on to figure it out. (Available on iTunes and Prime.)
Shaun of the Dead
If you just can’t watch another depressing zombie wasteland movie, switch over to Simon Pegg and Nick Frost’s Shaun of the Dead, where a couple of slobs find themselves in the middle of the end of the world. (Available on Hulu.)
Anna and the Apocalypse
Anna is sweet little zom-comedy musical about a high school girl who just wants to get out of her small town, but has her plans railroaded by a zombie epidemic. It is also, however, a heartbreaking story of friendship and love and loss. So get ready to sing, but also to cry. (Available on Hulu.)
Planet Terror
The Robert Rodriguez half of Quentin Tarantino’s Grindhouse double bill is a B-movie brawl for all about a small Texas town that goes to hell when a biochemical weapon is accidentally let loose into the air and turns people into savage gooey monsters terrorizing the landscape. This is an exploitation movie, so of course a scrappy band of survivors has to hightail it out of town amidst explosions, bloody deaths, and an abundance of pulp dialogue. (Available on iTunes and Prime.)
Outbreak Potpourri
Cabin Fever
Eli Roth’s first big foray into extreme gore follows a group of 20-somethings on a cabin-in-the-woods trip where everyone’s plans for sexy time are interrupted by a flesh-eating disease. Lots of blood and Roth’s signature coarse humor. (Available on Netflix.)
Blindness
We’ve seen a lot of movies about pathogens turning all of humanity into blood-thirsty zombie creatures, but what if there was a disease that just made everyone go blind in one city? That’s what happens in the appropriately titled Blindness. Of course, some people react in abominable ways when they lose one of their senses, but it’s also kind of comforting to watch a movie where the infected aren’t bleeding from their eyes and ears and tearing through the world like maniacs. (Available on iTunes.)
I Drink Your Blood
Here’s something different for you. In this 1970 film, a group of satanic hippies become cannibals after being fed meat pies with rabid dog blood in them. The people they feed on then become infected. Goddamn hippies! (Available on YouTube or Google Play.)
Shivers
The original shooting title of this movie was The Orgy of The Blood Parasites, and it’s a shame they didn’t keep that. After a scientist murders a teen girl and then himself, it is discovered that he’s been doing experiments with deadly parasites that are now matriculating among the general population. Those who are infected become violent and sex-crazed, passing along the parasite like an STD. (Available on iTunes and Prime.)
Trench 11
Trench 11 is set during the last days of WWI, and is centered on a group of allied soldiers who are sent to investigate a secret German bunker that, they will discover, houses a grotesque secret that could turn the tide of the war. And yes, it involves hideous worm-like parasites that start bursting out of bodies. (Available on Prime or YouTube.)
Crazies (2010)
The original Crazies was a George Romero movie released in 1973, but this remake from 2010 is actually better. Timothy Olyphant plays the sheriff of a small Iowa town where residents are being transformed into murderous psychos after a nearby plane crash unleashes a toxic virus, and the few uninfected who remain try to escape to safety. (Available on Tubi and Prime.)
REC
This Spanish horror film about an apartment building that becomes an incubator for a viral infection that turns people into erratic homicidal monsters is one of the most tense contagion movies ever put on screen. Much of the film is shot in night vision, helping you to feel even more immersed in the horrors leaping from the shadows. The American remake Quarantine is, surprisingly, also extremely good. (Available on Prime or Shudder.)

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Coronavirus Pandemic in Charts
March 13, 2020
https://mogazin.com/2020/03/13/coronavirus-pandemic-in-charts/

More than 126,000 people globally have now been confirmed to have contracted the coronavirus, out of whom 67,000 have recovered, and more than 4,600 have died, according to the Johns Hopkins University Center for Systems Science and Engineering.comment image
Clinicians got better at treating people with the disease
During the first wave of infections in Wuhan, the Chinese Center for Disease Control and Prevention analyzed data from 44,672 people who had the virus. This research showed that 80.9% of patients experienced mild symptoms, 13.8% required hospitalization and experienced severe symptoms, and 4.7% were critical cases requiring intensive care.
Chinese medical authorities appeared to get better at treating infections and preventing death as the outbreak proceeded. “Even the first and hardest-hit province, Hubei, saw its death rate tumble as public health measures were strengthened and clinicians got better at identifying and treating people with the disease,” Vox’s Julia Belluz explains.comment image
Coronavirus around the world
Although Covid-19 has spread to 116 countries, the vast majority of cases have been confirmed in Wuhan, the capital of Hubei province in China, where the pandemic originated. Taken with the 110,000 cases in Italy, Iran and South Korea, this amounts to 87% of cases in total.comment image
The rate of infection in Italy has been observed to be similar to that of Hubei. The extraordinary efforts of the Chinese state to contain the virus seem to have slowed the spread of the disease in a population used to authoritarian government. Italy’s government has ordered all shops, bars, and restaurants across the country to close and has restricted travel in order to slow the outbreak.comment image
Recovery depends on the immune system
The largest European outbreak is in Italy, where 23% of the population is aged over 65 and where 6% of cases have resulted in a fatality. Major outbreaks are also occurring in South Korea and Iran where there are fewer older people.
Thousands of people affected by the coronavirus globally have already recovered. As Covid-19 is a viral illness, antibiotics are of no use and neither are antiviral drugs that work against flu.
Recovery depends on the strength of the immune system and many of those who have died were already in poor health. The World Health Organization recommends people take simple precautions to reduce exposure and transmission.
The symptoms of Covid-19 vary from case to case, but the most common ones in China, from February data, are fever and dry cough (which are each seen in a majority of cases), fatigue, and sputum (the technical term for thick mucus coughed up from the respiratory tract). If you have a fever and dry cough, that could be a good reason to get yourself tested if possible.comment image
Coronavirus VS other viruses
Severe acute respiratory syndrome (Sars) and Middle Eastern respiratory syndrome (Mers) were both caused by coronaviruses that came from animals. Sars had a death rate of more than 10%. In 2002, Sars spread to 37 countries, infecting more than 8,000 people and killing more than 750. The Spanish flu was the deadliest pandemic in history, killing up to 100 million people between 1918 and 1920.comment image
Why canceling events and self-quarantining is so important
The key is to “flatten the curve”: slowing the rate of increase in infections so that you spread out the cases, even if the total number doesn’t change. Flattening the curve slows the rate at which new cases arrive in hospitals, easing the burden on health care infrastructure and improving the odds that individual patients will survive.comment image
Warnings to avoid crowds, and cancellations of major gatherings like conferences and parades, have put a damper on travel in the US, and the consequences for airlines have been dire. According to Earnest Research, spending on airlines fell 16.5 percent in the last week of February relative to a year prior. Cruises have seen a similar dip, while hotels are only now starting to see sales mildly decline.
It’s unlikely that the economic impact will stay limited to the hospitality industry, as social distancing leads people to avoid coffee shops, restaurants, gyms, bars, etc.comment image
Coronavirus is more deadly than the flu
The following chart compares COVID-19 death rates by age in South Korea as of Thursday with death rates from the flu in the US over the course of the 2018-19 flu season, based on US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention data.
*https://i.insider.com/5e6a7b2584159f1962421227?width=900&format=jpeg&auto=webp
The comparison makes clear that even given the lower death rates in South Korea, COVID-19 is still a far more dangerous disease than the flu.
The overall death rate in the US from last year’s flu season was about 0.1%, about 8.5 times lower than South Korea’s COVID-19 death rate. While both the flu and the coronavirus are more dangerous for older patients than younger patients, the flu’s death rate of about 0.8% among patients 65 and older is about one-fourth that of South Korea’s COVID-19 death rate of about 3.4% among patients 60 and older.
Comparisons between COVID-19 death rates in other countries and death rates from the flu are similarly stark.

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MAGA Mom
#363987

excellent post

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daughnworks247
#363935

THIS is the kind of work which was being done at the Level 4 Bio lab in Wuhan.
This location was Chinese CDC and during the entire outbreak in Wuhan, no official from this location spoke to the public.
Silenced.

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daughnworks247
#363936

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michaelh
#363976

Kick Turkey to the curb.
Get them out of NATO.
Severe relations with the EU.
Sanction them.
Isolate them internationally like Iran.
We have to do it.

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daughnworks247
#363937

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daughnworks247
#363938

https://twitter.com/Breaking911/status/1238569984852406273

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daughnworks247
#363939

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daughnworks247
#363940

https://twitter.com/Trey_VonDinkis/status/1238566705086914560

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daughnworks247
#363941

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daughnworks247
#363942

Hmmmm, giving up our DNA?
This is a fair point.

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daughnworks247
#363943

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daughnworks247
#363944

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GA/FL
#363949

It was also brilliant of PDJT or someone to haul this woman out of South Africa to work on this virus outbreak and to communicate with the American people about the processes of testing, epidemiology, etc.!!!
Dr. Birx, VP Pence, as well as Secretary Azar are fabulous communicators.

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daughnworks247
#363945

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daughnworks247
#363946

https://twitter.com/Doranimated/status/1238577809372647430

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daughnworks247
#363947

https://twitter.com/ericbolling/status/1238578270968467457/photo/1

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daughnworks247
#363948

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daughnworks247
#363950

https://twitter.com/KarluskaP/status/1238538935388852230

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daughnworks247
#363951

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daughnworks247
#363952

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daughnworks247
#363953

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GA/FL
#363955

That’s ridiculous.

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daughnworks247
#363954

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daughnworks247
#363956

https://twitter.com/mlong42947/status/1238585106794573825

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daughnworks247
#363957

https://twitter.com/Lamed_Vav/status/1238585437054095360

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GA/FL
#363965

The WORLD deserves to know the TRUTH about this cussed virus.

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GA/FL
#363958

As for the ventilators – at least those are made in the USA!

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daughnworks247
#363959

Definitely NOT confirmation but needs research.

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daughnworks247
#363960

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daughnworks247
#363961

Shortest bear market in the history of the world.
https://twitter.com/MAGAMedium2/status/1238567666429898755

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kea
#363967

With the amount of TP buying going on!?!? LOL

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daughnworks247
#363962

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daughnworks247
#363963

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michaelh
#363979

And the main reason the U.S is that “low” is thanks to Obamacare.
(But we’re still #1!)

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daughnworks247
#363964

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GA/FL
#363966

Well…..
https://twitter.com/123RHGreen/status/1238473443898806277

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kea
#363968

Ok Aldi report. Might as well post it here as well.
OMG, that was insane!!!! Holly cow. I had to take photo’s because Mom could not believe it.
I think ok its Friday no issue.
First off its full at my store. Like we’re going to get 10 feet of snow so stock up full.
5 check out lanes open.
Picked over like you would not believe. The only thing that was not sold out was alcohol.
People are nice. No panic. Most are joking about it and in a good mood.
Store employees were saying that when there’s a snow storm people don’t buy this much.
Fruits and veggies mostly gone.
Bread what bread?!?!?!
Most of the chips/cookies gone.
canned food and soup gone.
Rice, oats, cereal gone. Meat gone. Yogurt. Any frozen stuff almost gone. Dog biscuits gone,
TP forget about it. Clean stuff be it napkins gone.
Eggs and milk no issue.
It was like a zombie Apocalypse.
But wow. That’s just wow.
Went to fill up my gas tank and people were still grabbing TP at the gas station.
Coming home stores like Kohls were empty but Target, Aldi, Walmart full.
Christmas in March!
Oh and most people were saying Thank God Trump is POTUS and not HRC!

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GA/FL
#363971

Great report, Kea!!!

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kea
#363972

Thanks. 🙂 I have to admit I was not expecting that much to be sold out.
Had to take a pic or two so that we can laugh about it someday.

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kalbokalbs
#363977

“Oh and most people were saying Thank God Trump is POTUS…”
^^^ THIS. Increasingly folks are commenting on my Trump Pence hat, tooting as they pass my truck with Trump sticker. Comments grounded in increasing enthusiasm.
IMO, folks know President Trump is doing a great job, AND D-rats are a pox on America.

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daughnworks247
#363969

AHHHH FOUND IT!
Evaluation of Antibody-Dependent Enhancement of SARS-CoV Infection in Rhesus Macaques Immunized with an Inactivated SARS-CoV Vaccine

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daughnworks247
#363970

https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2Fs12250-018-0009-2

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daughnworks247
#363973

here is the bill

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daughnworks247
#363974

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kalbokalbs
#363978

While I don’t watch faux news, any news for that matter, faux could have sidelined Cavuto, permanently.

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daughnworks247
#363975

God Bless the Italians.

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kalbokalbs
#363980

If I heard correctly on Bannon War Room, Italy will be on lock down until 3 April. Good to see the folks making the best of the situation.
Wonderful folks the four or five times I was fortunate to be in Italy. And, beautiful, Italy is.

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kalbokalbs
#363981

Daughn, Dunno if you want to include below link in Corona updates. Have bookmarked it. Carl may bookmark also. Dunno if other folks interested as it is NV centric.
Below web site appears to be updated multiple times daily. Includes State, County and City press releases.
Press Releases: COVID-19 in Nevada
*https://nvhealthresponse.nv.gov/news-resources/press-releases/

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michaelh
#363985

I like the idea of state by state resources, provided that there is a collection people have brought

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bakocarl
#363982

“The largest European outbreak is in Italy, where 23% of the population is aged over 65” . . . the Pahrump area (Nye County) has a population that is 30.1% of age 65 or older.
The WuFlu could really rip through here.

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michaelh
#363983

Watching the replay:

Google has seventeen hundred engineers working on the website 🤣🤣🤣
During the press questions . . .
Wife: Why are they [press] all wearing purple?
Me: (WHOA!) Globalist signalling!
Wife: Well sucks to be them. All of them wearing purple makes them look silly.

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michaelh
#363990

I want to highlight this exchange:
~ ~ ~
(Question from Reporter)
Fake News Journalist: My first question is, you said that you don’t take responsibility, but you did disband the White House pandemic office, and the officials that were working in that office left this administration abruptly. So what responsibility do you take to that? And the officials that worked in that office said that you – that the White House lost valuable time because that office was disbanded. What do you make of that?
VSGPOTUSDJT: Well, I just think it’s a nasty question because what we’ve done is – and Tony has said numerous times that we’ve saved thousands of lives because of the quick closing. And when you say “me,” I didn’t do it. We have a group of people I could. . .
Fake News Journalist: It’s your administration.
VSGPOTUSDJT: I could ask perhaps – my administration – but I could perhaps ask Tony [POTUS glances to Dr. Tony Fauci, presumably off-camera Tony shakes his head no] about that because I don’t know anything about it. I mean, you say – you say we did that. I don’t know anything about it.
Fake News Journalist: You don’t know about the. . .
VSGPOTUSDJT: We’re spending – I don’t know. It’s the. . .
Fake News Journalist: – about the reorganization that happened at the National Security Council?
VSGPOTUSDJT: It’s the – it’s the administration. Perhaps they do that. You know, people let people go. You used to be with a different newspaper than you are now. You know, things like that happen.
Fake News Journalist: But this was a – this was an org. . .
VSGPOTUSDJT: Okay. Please go ahead.
Fake News Journalist: This was an organization at the National Security Council.
VSGPOTUSDJT: We’re doing a great job. Let me tell you, these professionals behind me and the – these great, incredible doctors and business people – the best in the world. And I can say that. Whether it’s retailers or labs, or anything you want to say, these are the best of the world. We’re doing a great job.
We have 40 people right now. Forty. Compare that with other countries that have many, many times that amount. And one of the reasons we have 40 and others have – and, again, that number is going up, just so you understand. And a number of cases, which are very small, relatively speaking – it’s going up. But we’ve done a great job because we acted quickly. We acted early. And there’s nothing we could have done that was better than closing our borders to highly infected areas.
~ ~ ~
THIS IS A HUGE BULLSHIT TRAP QUESTION!!!
The National Security Council is the NSC where Vindman was setting the stage for a PHONY WHISTLEBLOWER COMPLAINT!!!
The NSC finally got a deep house cleaning that was long overdue!!!
I’m calling TOTAL BULLSHIT on the notion that there was ANY pandemic response team within the NSC! Even if there were people partially assigned to a unit on paper, they were most decided NOT remotely close to the competent team of top-notch research specialists that were assembled for the Coronavirus Task Force!
This entire episode is just the LATEST ROUND of Impeachment Theater!
And I don’t mean just this single reporter’s questions.
Remember what Trump said, October 13 2016:
October 13, 2016: Trump’s Most Important Speech
https://wqth.wordpress.com/2020/02/07/october-13-2016-trumps-most-important-speech/
“The establishment has trillions of dollars at stake in this election.”
I don’t believe that this virus caught Trump by surprise.
I’m confident that all the “hidden in plain sight” granular details have been known to Trump for at least two years.
That the planning for this targeted event has been going on at least two if not three years in advance.
The release of a not-quite-ready-for-prime-time bioweapon targeted to coincide with the U.S. 2020 flu season and U.S. Primary election season . . .
The delays and stalling tactics by Nancy Pelosi in the last days of 2019 to push impeachment into 2020 . . .
The Senate conducting the trial, and Trump very smartly moving his chess-pieces while his enemies were focused on impeachment and setting the stage on January 28th for the NEXT PLAY . . .
Their plan is to get rid of Trump, by any means necessary.
Including trying to crush support for Trump and embarass him in the media for his “bad response”.
Including whipping up a FALSE NARRATIVE that the NSC staff cuts somehow magically eliminated a supposedly “essential” so-called “pandemic response team” – that NO ONE, literally NO ONE in the in Coronavirus Task Force had had any prior awareness of.
Would China [+BG,GS,Canada,C_A,P3r$1a,+others] do whatever it took to return to the globalist [China’s colonialist] trade status quo?
Does anyone think there is anything China wouldn’t do? Given their low value for human life in their country? And their lower value of human life outside their country?
These people are SICK.
~ ~ ~
VSGPOTUSDJT: Okay. OAN, please. OAN.
OAN: Mr. President, the Chinese officials are expressing some tones of discontent with how – where the source of this virus has come from, and they’re spinning some odd narratives. What are your response to the Chinese officials who are doing that? And have they signaled any kind of resistance to upcoming trade talks in response to how we’re handling this virus?
VSGPOTUSDJT: No, we have our deal with China. They’re going to be buying $250 billion worth of goods and $50 billion from our farmers. And that’s a great deal for our country; it’s about time somebody did that. And, frankly, phase two, we’ll start negotiating.
I did read one article, but I don’t think that article was representative – certainly not of my conversations with President Xi – and they know where it came from. We all know where it came from.
~ ~ ~
Yes. HE KNOWS.

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daughnworks247
#363992

This is an old talking point from the left, about the half dozen people on the Pandemic Group in the NSC. The primary physician bureaucrat QUIT, and Bolton got rid of the rest of them.
God knows, no one has wrath like a displaced bureaucrat.
If they were so smart (now obviously jealous they are not the center of attention during this crisis) then why didn’t they write up some recommendations and submit to the WH?
No, none of them did
Just criticizing from the sideline.

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MAGA Mom
#363984

CA #s as of 8 am on Friday (so out of date by now):
Ages of all confirmed positive cases:
Age 0-17: 4 cases
Age 18-64: 143 cases
Age 65+: 98 cases
Unknown: 2 cases
24 – Cases of positive tests related to federal repatriation flights
223 – Cases not related to repatriation flights
65 – Travel related
52 – Person-to-person acquired
56 – Community acquired (map of community transmission by county in California- PDF)
50 – Under investigation
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Note: 50 under investigation are obviously not directly related to travel or they would know that these people just came from a plane, ship, or recent trip.
“Community acquired” —>>> unknown how they picked it up. Caught in general public.
https://www.cdph.ca.gov/Programs/CID/DCDC/Pages/Immunization/ncov2019.aspx

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MAGA Mom
#363986

We are ending today, Friday, 3/13 with 2,466 known cases of the Wuhan Virus – more than doubled since Wed evening.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries
On Wednesday evening I posted:
“2/29 – 24 (+5)
3/1 – 42 (+18)
3/2 – 57 (+15)
3/3 – 85 (+28)
3/4 – 111 (+26)
3/5 – 175 (+64)
3/6 – 252 (+77)
3/7 – 352 (+100)
3/8 – 495 (+143)
3/9 – 643 (+148)
3/10 – 932 (+289)
3/11 – 1,198 (+266)
So, based on above we are projected to have approximately:
3/14 – 4K
3/16 – 8K (Monday)
3/18 – 16K (Wednesday, actually see greater spikes because testing becomes more widely available?)
3/20 – 32K
3/22 – 64K
3/24 – 128K
3/26 – 256K (numbers begin to slow as the quarantine and mitigation efforts taken now, over the weekend and on Monday begin to show up as reduced infection rates – maybe even a day or two earlier)
3/28 – 500K
3/30 – 1 million”
Seems like the cases will contend to grow over the next week and we will even see a spike in cases when the testing becomes widely available as then milder cases will be tested and caught.
However, within 7-10 days we will see the growth begin to slow significantly as the quarantine measures taking place now and on Monday, schools closing, events being canceled, travel curtailed, etc. will slow the spread.
And the slow down will happen just in the nick of time. Thank you, Lord, for President Trump!

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Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy
#364040

Akismet threw into spam!

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MAGA Mom
#363988

Post regarding # of cases not allowed or is the long list recounted the growth rate of the last 2 weeks too much? Or is it this site that is triggering my lost in space posts to disappear?
We are ending today, Friday, 3/13 with 2,466 known cases of the Wuhan Virus – more than doubled since Wed evening as predicted. Trajectory is scary but President Trump is on it!
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries

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Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy
#364041

Akismet threw into spam!

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MAGA Mom
#363989

We are ending today, Friday, 3/13, (11 pm cst) with 2,466 known cases of the Wuhan Virus – more than doubled since Wed evening.
On Wednesday evening I posted:
“2/29 – 24 (+5)
3/1 – 42 (+18)
3/2 – 57 (+15)
3/3 – 85 (+28)
3/4 – 111 (+26)
3/5 – 175 (+64)
3/6 – 252 (+77)
3/7 – 352 (+100)
3/8 – 495 (+143)
3/9 – 643 (+148)
3/10 – 932 (+289)
3/11 – 1,198 (+266)
So, based on above we are projected to have approximately:
3/14 – 4K
3/16 – 8K (Monday)
3/18 – 16K (Wednesday, actually see greater spikes because testing becomes more widely available?)
3/20 – 32K
3/22 – 64K
3/24 – 128K
3/26 – 256K (numbers begin to slow as the quarantine and mitigation efforts taken now, over the weekend and on Monday begin to show up as reduced infection rates – maybe even a day or two earlier)
3/28 – 500K
3/30 – 1 million”
Seems like the cases will contend to grow over the next week and we will even see a spike in cases when the testing becomes widely available as then milder cases will be tested and caught.
However, within 7-10 days we will see the growth begin to slow significantly as the quarantine measures taking place now and on Monday, schools closing, events being canceled, travel curtailed, etc. will slow the spread.
And the slow down will happen just in the nick of time. Thank you, Lord, for President Trump!

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Sadie Slays
#363991

Suggesting once again that a new ground report thread for the weekend since there have been significant news developments over this past week.
Ground report: The libraries here closed down indefinitely.

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Dora
#363993

Coronavirus in Italy is like ‘a world war’ as death toll soars
Italy recorded 250 coronavirus deaths in a 24-hour period — the most in the country in a single day — as the number of COVID-19 fatalities there reached 1,266, according to official data released Friday.
The country also recorded more than 2,500 new cases of the virus in that period, bringing the total to more than 17,000.
https://nypost.com/2020/03/13/coronavirus-in-italy-is-like-a-world-war-as-death-toll-soars/

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MAGA Mom
#363994

Part of this is not because the cases are so bad or everyone is old (Too many/plenty of the dead are not over 50).
Part of the reason is because of the sudden growth past what their medical system could handle in complications.
Wuhan has a higher complications rate than regular flu + all cases are in addition to normal flu load on hospitals.
the hospitals are so overloaded that they can not give the treatments that many of the cases with complications need and if they received would otherwise live.

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Concerned Virginian
#363995

Ground report here:
Local libraries closing this afternoon until further notice.
Local veterinarian clinic may be closing next week until further notice. Arrangements will be made for emergency only pet care at a local veterinarian specialty hospital.
Monticello (Thomas Jefferson’s home) and neighboring Montpelier (James Madison’s home) both closing until further notice.
All local schools, public and private (K-12) closing for at least 2 weeks, then will re-evaluate.

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Dora
#363996

https://twitter.com/PhdParody/status/1238643170461843456

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michaelh
#363997

Was getting ready to pick up a BIG grocery order my wife placed last night.
Then a last minute Coronavirus Task Force meeting announced before pickup time!
Then they are like 19 minutes late to start.
They REALLY need to work on starting ON TIME – does not project well being THIS LATE!!!
Well, my wife is going to let me watch; she’ll pick up the order 😉

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daughnworks247
#363998

I’m watching too.
President is out right now.
What’s with the hat? Is he playing golf today?

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michaelh
#363999

Hard to say. It is Saturday, more casual. IMO the USA cap is a GREAT signal for unity.

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michaelh
#364000

Smaller Press Corps today – room is at least 1/2 empty!

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daughnworks247
#364001

Press is so unattractive.
Yesterday’s presser was terrific. No doubt. Press’ primary focus yesterday was about how the President shook hands and touched microphone.
They are desperate to change his behavior.
Never anything important – always nitpicking.

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michaelh
#364002

More coverate Tomorrow 5PM ET – details on public/private partnerships

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michaelh
#364005

Surgeon General “we need to hit the reset button” 😀 LOL

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daughnworks247
#364003

Yeah, new protocols, one person had a high temp and was turned away.
President said he had his temp taken before he entered the room.
Time for the WH staff to spend the night in the WH.

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michaelh
#364004

Good stuff! They going to point fingers at them? MAKE THEM LIVE UP TO THEIR OWN RULES!!!!!

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michaelh
#364006

Ben Carson is acting as the national pastor now 🙂
Thankfulness and talking about the need for prayer.

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Concerned Virginian
#364007

Ground report, taking my dog to the vet for tech appointment to get subcut (sub-cutaneous) fluids:
The clinic may close next week depending on Wuhan/SARS2 coronavirus circumstances.
I wore N-95 mask and disposable gloves.
Purchased enough food and treats for next couple of months for my little guy.
I asked the tech to teach me how to give the subcut fluids at home if the clinic closes. (It can be done but part of my dining room will look like a MASH unit during the procedure, lol.)
Purchased another bag of the fluids to use (it’s not plain IV fluid, it’s a special mixture) and the 18-gauge needles for the procedure.
Kept on the mask and gloves until I left the clinic after the visit.
Then, in the car: Wiped down the dog’s carry crate with baby wipes.
Wiped down the steering wheel, gear stick, turn signals/light knobs, with disinfecting wipes.
Wiped down the credit card used in the clinic with a disinfecting wipe.
Removed mask and gloves properly and put in a plastic bag.
Then, to the gas station to top off the tank, using fresh mask and gloves.
Wiped down the credit card used to purchase the gas with a disinfecting wipe.
Removed mask and gloves properly and put them into the plastic bag.
Back at home:
PUT ON NEW SET OF GLOVES.
Removed clothing and put into the washer.
Removed shoes and sprayed with Lysol.
Removed and disposed of gloves.
Put on clean clothes and “house shoes”.
PUT ON NEW SET OF GLOVES and wiped down the dog with baby wipes.
This routine may sound complicated, but —
based on the stories of the 1918-1920 Spanish Flu Pandemic that my late husband told me (during which he was 8 -10 years old and his family survived by using extraordinary measures) — it’s basically December, 1918 to me about the current Wuhan coronavirus issue.

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Concerned Virginian
#364010

VP Pence just announced that all air travel between the U.S. and the United Kingdom and with the Republic of Ireland is stopped as of Midnight on Monday, March 16.

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jamcooker
#364011

DPat shared a memo from a parish member whose son is a physician about the Corona Virus the other day. I printed it out and have shared it with family members. Well, when I was reading to my daughter who was (not now though) visiting small adult family homes – 4 to 5 occupants, she said, you know, most of the homes are fairly warm.
The physician noted “3. This new virus is not heat-resistant and will be killed by a temperature
of just 26/27 degrees. It hates the Sun.”
Well, that translates to 78 – 80 degrees. We looked at each other, and said, all these places have heat sources for the homes. What if a high temp was maintained for 2 days a week? It shouldn’t be necessary to maintain it constantly. Just enough to kill off anything brought into the home by a visitor. Take plenty of vitamin C and D as well.
I don’t know if it’s valid but it’s a thought.

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bakocarl
#364016

Body temperature is much higher than 26 / 27 deg C or 78 – 80 deg F . . . and, of course, it lives very nicely in the body.

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jamcooker
#364021

True. We were thinking that if somebody brought it in, that it would die before people got infected.

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bakocarl
#364029

We’ll get some good data on that shortly if we see WuFlu getting wiped out in all or at least most of the countries that lie very near the equator.

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Gudthots
#364035

Killing virus outside the body with higher temps works because the lipid membrane envelope is more fragile outside the body. Gail’s posts gave info on conditions for shortest life span on surfaces outside the body. 80 degrees F and IIRC, 60% humidity had the fastest die off rates for virus on non-living surfaces.

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Concerned Virginian
#364012

WTAX, 3PM news report:
FRANCE has just ordered ALL shops, cafes, schools, and other facilities due to the spread of the Wuhan/SARS2 coronavirus.
CBS News, 3PM report:
The GRAND OLD OPRY has just cancelled all audience attendance and will stream performances on radio and through other media for the foreseeable future.

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Concerned Virginian
#364013

University of Virginia:
All overseas study programs are cancelled. Students who are currently studying overseas are to return to the U.S. immediately.
All students who live on-campus are being told to vacate their quarters as soon as possible.
All students out of town on Spring Break are asked to return immediately and to vacate their on-campus housing.
Arrangements are being made to find places for students to live who are not local.
All classes go to online format on March 19.
The decision whether or not to hold graduation exercises will be made by April 15.
UVA Hospital is preparing for admitting and treating potentially numerous Wuhan/SARS2 coronavirus cases.

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Concerned Virginian
#364014

700WLW, news briefing from Gov. Beshear (D) of Kentucky:
16 cases in Kentucky.
Gov. Beshear is ordering that all gatherings over 150 people be cancelled or postponed.
Daycare facilities in Kentucky will start to close next week.
“All hands on deck”
“United we stand”
Gov. Beshear ordering all hospitals in Kentucky to be prepared for potential large volume of Wuhan/SARS2 coronavirus cases.
All hospitals to postpone non-elective surgeries.
Psychiatrist, head of Behavioral Health Services: Fear of the unknown is rampant and understandable. It causes anxiety. Anxiety can be a good thing IF it translates into positive action. Avoid things that can add to anxiety. Keep daily routines if at all possible. Children especially will respond positively to smooth routines and healthy parents/caregivers. Keep childrens’ routines as normal as possible. Make sure to get sleep and exercise, especially outdoor exercise. “Social distancing does NOT mean social isolation. Use social media and online communication with friends and loved ones.”

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bakocarl
#364015

Not good news for avoiding infection . . .
About Half of Cruise Virus Cases Asymptomatic, Study Suggests
Tim Loh Mar 13 2020, 3:40 PM Mar 13 2020, 9:44 PM (Bloomberg) –
About half the people who tested positive for the coronavirus on the Diamond Princess cruise ship appeared to show no symptoms, according to an estimate published Friday. Of the 634 confirmed cases aboard the ship off of the coast of Japan last month, 328 were reported to be asymptomatic, the review said.
There were 3,063 people tested on the ship in total. The study, published in peer-reviewed open-access medical journal Eurosurveillance, adds to the growing body of research suggesting that a significant portion of people infected with Covid-19 show no symptoms. Determining how often that occurs is crucial to better realizing its transmission potential, the authors said.
The authors conducted a statistical modeling analysis using publicly available data.
*https://www.bloombergquint.com/business/about-half-of-cruise-virus-cases-asymptomatic-study-suggests

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bakocarl
#364018

Also . . . finding about one-half of the Diamond Princess positives to be asymptomatic means that at least 50% go through an asymptomatic phases. Other positives may have already gone through their asymptomatic phases.
It’s really getting close to the “make sure you’re prepped and stay home” plan.

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Concerned Virginian
#364019

bakocarl
Have implemented the plan here.

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bakocarl
#364027

So have we. If we discover a hole in our prepping, it’ll be a Walmart run at 0600, with precautions.

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bakocarl
#364028

I should add that I’m a retired, anti-social hermit by nature and choice, so . . . not a big leap to isolation!

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Concerned Virginian
#364017

7PM, per 700WLW:
POTUS TESTS NEGATIVE FOR THE WUHAN/SARS2 CORONAVIRUS.
Thank the Almighty God!

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bakocarl
#364020

I can’t remember the numbers, but a very small percentage of the 0-18 years age group caught the WuFlu. So the question is . . . did they not catch it or were they just asymptomatic?
If many of them were merely asymptomatic, then when school is in session, those little dubbers are running around the classrooms, spreading disease to the school staff . . . and then to their parents and grandparents when they get home.
Some really hard “bite the bullet” decisions need to be made, not to protect the kids, but to protect school staffs and adult families.

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kalbokalbs
#364031

Sending emails to County Supervisors and School Board folk asking them to close schools for three weeks. One on the weeks would be Easter break. Spring break for modern folk.
Last thing I need is two twelve year old Grandsons coming home with Corona. On the bright side, they act like teenagers…automatically maximize “social distance”.

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bakocarl
#364022

Ex-CDC head Tom Frieden says kids may be secret coronavirus carriers
By Jackie SaloMarch 2, 2020 | 4:50pm | Updated
The ex-director of the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention said Monday that the deadly coronavirus may be “impossible” to contain — and that kids may be secret carriers of the disease.
“We think it will be very difficult if not impossible to contain it … but that doesn’t mean we shouldn’t try,” Dr. Tom Frieden told reporters.
Frieden, who ran the agency under President Barack Obama and was the New York City health commissioner under Mayor Mike Bloomberg, said the spread of the virus to more than 89,000 people across the world has been an “unprecedented situation.”
“Never before have we seen a pathogen emerge and have global spread like this. That is scary,” Frieden said.
Frieden pointed to evidence that people with mild or no symptoms, including children, may be secret carriers of the virus.
He cited a report of a 10-year-old boy who visited the outbreak’s epicenter in China and didn’t show any symptoms of the virus. But when the boy’s parents insisted doctors test him, he was diagnosed with the virus, according to the Lancet medical journal.
“The fact that children may get infected but not show symptoms poses a risk to pediatricians,” Frieden said.
*https://nypost.com/2020/03/02/ex-cdc-head-tom-frieden-says-kids-may-be-secret-coronavirus-carriers/

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bakocarl
#364023

Tests indicate coronavirus can survive in the air
BY JOHN BOWDEN – 03/11/20 04:38 PM EDT 3,293
Federally funded tests conducted by scientists from several major institutions indicated that the novel form of coronavirus behind a worldwide outbreak can survive in the air for several hours.
A study awaiting peer review from scientists at Princeton University, the University of California-Los Angeles and the National Institutes of Health (NIH) posted online Wednesday indicated that the COVID-19 virus could remain viable in the air “up to 3 hours post aerosolization,” while remaining alive on plastic and other surfaces for up to three days.
“Our results indicate that aerosol and fomite transmission of HCoV-19 is plausible, as the virus can remain viable in aerosols for multiple hours and on surfaces up to days,” reads the study’s abstract.
The test results suggest that humans could be infected by the disease simply carried through the air or on a solid surface, even if direct contact with an infected person does not occur. That finding, if accepted, would come in stark contrast to previous media reports that suggested the virus was not easily transmittable outside of direct human contact.
*https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/487110-tests-indicate-coronavirus-can-survive-in-the-air

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GA/FL
#364024

UV-C lights have been tested and found effective against coronavirus as well as bacteria. Hospitals use these lights to clean OR and contagious patient rooms. Beauty shops and nail salons use them to clean tools. UV-C lights can be used in A/C systems to sanitize air.

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GA/FL
#364025

If I wasn’t clear – the lights kill viruses and bacteria in air and on surfaces. I’ve seen these lights in use in a hospital setting.
https://www.mrsa-uv.com/cronavirus-cov.html

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bakocarl
#364030

Over the last 6 days, WuFlu cases in the U.S. increased by 30.1%, 41.2%, 30.8%, 30.4%. 32.4% and 31.0%. That is an explosive rate of climb, only to be exacerbated by increased testing results as the newly minted test kits, testing rules, administering and diagnostic labs get involved.
We’re at ~3,000 cases now. At a 30% increase, in two weeks we’ll be at ~118,000 cases. If that were to continue, we’d be at ~4,650,000 cases at the end of the next two weeks.
Standby . . .

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kalbokalbs
#364032

BakoCarl, Link below is NV centric Corona info. Looks like they update at least, M-F. Posts of interest at all levels, State, County and City.
*https://nvhealthresponse.nv.gov/news-resources/press-releases/

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Sadie Slays
#364033

Predictive programming from Madonna in 2019:comment imagecomment image

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Sadie Slays
#364034

/qresearch/ found a 5G connection to Kirkland where all of those nursing home deaths happened.comment image
https://www.kirklandreporter.com/news/small-cell-technology-comes-to-kirkland/

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Gudthots
#364036

Gail, thank you for all the good resources you’ve collected.
Your recent post mentioning beets reminded me.
Been using this recipe from “Nourishing Traditions” cookbook for a traditional fermented beet drink for over a decade now.
Helps support kidneys, blood health, modulate inflammation, etc.
https://www.thenourishinggourmet.com/2014/03/beet-kvass-a-cleansing-medicinal-tonic.html

The health benefits of lacto-fermented food are undeniable. As chopped beets mix with sea salt, the sugar and starch convert to lactic-acid perfectly preserving the kvass. The finished drink is full of beneficial enzymes, friendly probiotic bacteria, and increased vitamin levels. Regularly eating lacto-fermented vegetables, or incorporating beet kvass into your diet, will promote healthy gut flora, and greater absorption of nutrients from your food.

note: I use 1/4 cup of apple cider vinegar instead of whey.comment image

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kalbokalbs
#364037

Cross posted in daily thread. Link below from Steve Bannon’s War Room. Seems to be excellent infection data. Roll up numbers with break down in various geographic areas. Worth considering.
*https://ncov2019.live/data

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Concerned Virginian
#364038

California Gov. Gavin Newsom just ordered that all persons over age 65 in California “self-quarantine” at home.
Unless I missed something, I didn’t hear him say anything about getting the huge population out there of homeless / illegals / addicts off the streets, though.

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bakocarl
#364039

The Lancet: Global case fatality rate from coronavirus settles in at 5.7%, or 57 times higher than the flu… death rate skyrockets to 20% when hospitals get overrun
Academic Report
*https://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3099(20)30195-X/fulltext

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