For the time being, given our national emergency, we are switching to DAILY COVID-19 threads instead of weekly threads. Your comments and updates are most welcome. PLEASE continue to include your valuable information, hard source links, and local observations on these COVID Daily Threads. Additionally, within these Daily Threads, we will try to include links to government and official pressers, so those who no longer have cable can remain informed.
We’ll get through this crisis, together. As a group, there is probably no one better prepared than we are.
For our newcomers: The Q Tree community has been diligent in covering the threat of Coronavirus, COVID19, Wuhan FLU. We started accumulating information about this virus in mid-late January, in what became almost weekly threads. We’ve been weeks, if not months, ahead of MSM outlets to vet rumors and other medical papers, etc.
Primary Update Links:
- Links to the USA CoronaVirus Task Force: http://coronavirus.gov/
- Johns Hopkins CSSE Dashboard to update number of “official” cases within China and worldwide: https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6
- Another summary of data, updates and sources: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
- Hard Link to the World Health Organization: https://www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2019
- Hard Link to the Center for Disease Control: CDC Updates: https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/index.html
In our past weekly threads, we assembled information on the following:
- Primary update links. The dashboard from Johns Hopkins which counts “official” cases all over the world, the CDC, and WHO, and includes the links for our past threads.
- Hard Data Medical Information- Explanation about testing, reliance on China for drugs, analysis of NE Journal of Medicine results and other published papers.
- Vaccine and theraputics (new/old drugs to alleviate symptoms) news and updates
- Trump Administration response (the timeline and links to various agencies)
- China Responses, timelines, research, attempt to cover actions, or secrecy in results discovered.
- An aggregate of info/responses from other countries, listed by country.
- Economic impact from around the world. A change in economic activity will indicate a “return to normal”.
- Speculation/debunking on how the virus started
- Media Bias, political response, and debunking section, like the article from AP News, overt bias from Politico, inflammatory headlines, etc.
- Other medical info to boost immune system, herbal remedies, ways to keep your house clean and NOT spread the virus to others. Excellent information to incorporate into daily lifestyle.
- Hard links for OTHER valuable sources/blogs and a brief sentence or two about what they provide
- Other news items
Our weekly updates. timelines, collection of valuable information, can be found here:
- January 25th, Our first thread: https://wqth.wordpress.com/2020/01/25/20200125-coronavirus/
- January 27th, Our second thread: https://wqth.wordpress.com/2020/01/27/20200127-coronavirus-update-thread/
- February 1st-9th, Our third thread: https://wqth.wordpress.com/2020/02/01/20200201-coronavirus-update-thread-3/
- February 10th – 18th, Our Fourth Thread: https://wqth.wordpress.com/2020/02/10/20200210th-19th-coronavirus-thread/
- February 19-29th: Our Fifth Thread: https://wqth.wordpress.com/2020/02/18/20200218th-29th-coronavirus-update-thread/
- March 1-10th, Our Sixth Thread: https://wqth.wordpress.com/2020/03/01/2020-march1st-7th-coronavirus-covid19-xivirus-wuflu-6th-update-thread/
- March 9-16th, Our Seventh Thread: https://wqth.wordpress.com/2020/03/09/2020-march-9th-16th-coronavirus-covid19-xivirus-wuflu-7th-weekly-update-thread/
Please try to keep your sense of humor during this National Emergency, and remember, patience is a virtue.
Love to all!
Went into town today; main mission(s) contact lens fluid (mine require a very specific brand and I needed to make an appointment just to purchase it, because they’re being careful there) and food for my pet bearded dragon.
As long as I was in town, though, I did some shopping. Trader Joe’s was only letting a limited number of people in at one time. so there was a line about ten people long to get in–spaced out widely. Most of the people inside appeared to be employees, and it was actually VERY well stocked! One customer turned out to be a worker at a hospital (she never said which one); two had died of the ChiCom Virus at her hospital already. I said encouraging words about beating this SOB and left (no wait at the registers!!).
Walmart again looked like it had mostly been gone over by Genghis Khan’s armies, in the food area. I ended up buying very little there, just some OTC meds.
This was, by the way the first time I had left my house since Wednesday evening.
For the most part we’ve tried to avoid going out. Though today being Saturday we took the kids for drive-through cheeseburders and ice cream. We found a spot away from any people, spread out our picnic blanket and had a picnic lunch. It was a lot of fun!
We’ve been buying groceries from our normal stores via online orders. We’ve been able to dramatically minimize our contact. We also stocked up in advance of the rush on the things we knew we would need, especially medicines and supplements.
I almost didn’t get my energy drinks ordered in time though. Luckily the national warehouse is local to us, and free 7-9 day shipping still arrived next day. My wife was reading some of the stories from Wuhan of people finally coming out of quarantine – they mostly wanted the staples for cooking, especially meat and produce, but one lady also said that she the one thing she had really wanted while she was in quarantine was more coffee.
The big mistake is that the green tea we got accidentally is the regular caffeinated variety. We usually buy green tea in a large box and use it over the course of months, so this is not a surprising oversight. The downside to this is that my wife is very sensitive to caffeine – we drank some one evening before bed and she started having flutters and palpitations, also triggered her anxiety… checked her BP also elevated, pretty scary. She’s gone without any caffeine since. Most people metabolize it within 6 to 8 hours, but even at that rate it takes a lot longer for her to get back to normal.
We also have Zicam zinc immune boost supplements that are melts. At first I thought they were OK, but now I can’t stand them. They make my stomach unhappy. I used to take a product called Citrizinc which was a fruit flavored chewable but the company discontinued the product. It was far more tolerable.
For the kids we got fruit-flavored chewable Vitamin C gummies. They smell great. But none of the kids like them and it’s a struggle to get them to take them. We have an infant Vitamin-C liquid the baby can take, it doesn’t taste great but we don’t have to fight her on it. However the Vitamin-C supplement my wife and I bought tastes terrible, like medicine, fortunately it mixes in water so if it isn’t too concentrated it’s tolerable.
Sorry about the caffeine problem. I wonder if focused deep breathing could help slow the heart rate. Warm bath to open up the circulation? Epsom salt baths help the liver do its work to clear things.
Finding supplements that work for various ages and tastes… tough.
May the Lord guide you to what you need.
Even online supplements are in short supply. This Zinc supplement doesn’t bother my tummy if I take it with a little food:
Garden of Life’s Vitamin Code Raw Zinc.
It’s on Amazon, but last I looked it was out.
Thanks for the tip!
Garden of Life’s Vitamin Code Raw Zinc:
https://www.gardenoflife.com/content/product/vitamin-code-raw-zinc/
Sold out on Amazon at present
For the record, I am convinced that every move DJT has made in his dealings with this stupid virus has been a move with an covert ulterior purpose. Get everybody off the street and home? What could that possibly support, aside from keeping the virus in check?
For one, it’s like a big huge gift to ICE. Two, it also helps a lot for the US Marshal to find its prey. Three, the roundup squads in the military have less places to watch as they plan their arrests of deep staters.
Better than any movie.
I suspect a lot of it is about preventing false flags. 3/15 was the New Zealand mosque attack anniversary. I bet they had something ISIS-related planned, and then were forced to call it off because of the extreme “pandemic” measures.
WHOA…check out those digits on that tweet. Confirmation that false flags were planned?
This photo shows a different time than the actual tweet above. Am I missing something?
Timezones, probably. Plus the actual tweet was captured two “likes” later than the first one.
Number of likes can and will change, so it shouldn’t be considered significant (I hope Sadie sees this).
I imagine you are correct. Good catch.
I doubt that 9:01 timestamp is coincidence. Even POTUS uses timestamps as comms.
But the 9,111 likes was only true for a minute or two, and can’t be part of the signal.
True, it’s unlikely the NY Post manipulated the Likes to 9,111.
However, I’ve experienced enough number synchronicities like this in my lifetime that I believe these odd “coincidences” have meaning and are not coincidences at all. I don’t believe it is any “coincidence” that at the exact time I post about ISIS false flags, “9111” shows up on the same tweet.
Exercise: Count the number of numbers you see that are apparently meaningless. Do this on a day you aren’t otherwise busy, because you see a LOT of numbers in the course of a day. More than you realize.
The only thing weirder, statistically, than a lifetime with a fair number of “spooky” coincidences, would be a lifetime with NO such things. We just remember the coincidences over the no-coincidences.
I get why people are skeptical. I’m not trying to convince anyone—only explaining my stance on it. I firmly believe it’s something people need to experience themselves to understand.
If Cankles had has it, every move HRC would have made with the China virus would have been done with a criminal ulterior motive. Quite a contrast.
I sure hope there are a bunch of arrests. If I get hit with another virus, I’m probably going onto oxygen. Fucking attempted murder.
Praying for you Wolf.
May the Lord bless you, keep you and make his face to shine on you.
Thank you! <3
I really need to set aside some Bible time. Not getting it cooped up here! 😀
I mean, think about that! It’s ridiculous. But my home is now my “news office”, and so it’s a trap in some sense. It’s WORK. Gotta think this through.
Good that you recognize it, Wolf. Must deliberately set aside time and physical space, if possible, for resting/restoring body and quieting mind. Harder to do when home becomes ‘the office’.
I find the best time to read is right before I go to sleep. My spirit is strengthened as it ponders the Word all through the night.
Wolf, sorry to post this here, but I just was looking through some old pictures while passing my time inside. I came across one of my grandson from 2008, he was VERY ill, he ran a fever for nearly a month, and nothing could seem to break it, we gave him pints (it seemed) of Tylenol and Motrin, alternating as the Dr prescribed every 4 hours. NOTHING worked.
They tested that kid for EVERYTHING from Cycle cell to AIDS. They did bone density scans, on a 1 year old, and took GALLONS of blood. No one could find the cure. Accept one day after our frustrations had mounted and we were all emotional wrecks, we did not know if he was going to make it, ONE rheumatologist, one affiliated with my work, BEGGED us to one last blood test, she SWORE that this was it, and she was looking for something VERY slight, but VERY specific.
After much consternation, we reluctantly agreed, and BINGO, she found it. He was ever so slightly anemic. Do you know what she sid caused and EXACEBATED the problem, Tylenol AND Motrin. They induced the anemia, and had his own body fighting itself. The cure? STOP the dosing and let the fever run out, which it DID in 3 days. Thank God.
WHY this is important AND relevant. I recall seeing, not a few months later that the makers of BOTH Tylenol were doing recalls, because due to an error, the doses were diluted, IE NOT strong enough to do the job.
I found out that Tylenol AND Motrin (Ibuprophin) are ONE and the same, AND they are literally made in the SAME factory.
Where it relates to this virus. Remember you and Daughn I think or it might have been Gail or GA FL, sorry don’t remember who exactly, but it was posted about Ibuprophin making Covid 19 FAR worse and inducing those cykotine(sp) storms.
My question is for us skeptics here. What if, those severe cases and deaths ALL had been given or taken Ibuprhophin for their symptoms, it is COMMONLY used by Doctors and hospitals, and regularly recommended for the treatment of the fever in the FLU and colds and allergies.
What if, as you and I suspect, the CCP DESIGNED this virus to induce the cykotine (sp) storms when combined with a commonly and readily available drug, Ibuprophin.
It would be, I hate to say it, just like the original Batman movie, in that, it was ONLY activated in combination with something else. Insidious to say the least. But, that would explain some of the anomalies involved, especially with the ELDERLY. ALOT of people won’t take arthritis drugs, but they WILL take Ibuprophin. Who gets the anti inflammatories for their arthritis? the elderly. WHO is disproportionately affected by covid 19? The ELDERLY.
It would be extremely interesting to know if that in a number of the elderly in Italy, here and elsewhere, ALSO used Ibuprophin for other ailments, like arthritis. I wonder if the Italians use Ibuprophin, or Motrin dis proportionately. Do we here use Tylenol more? and is THAT why those that self treated here, did not get as severe a reaction?
Someone far smarter than me needs to try and find the answer, but it is something to think of. I just recalled sitting looking at old photos, which I would not have done if we were not inside so much.
What do you think? Again, sorry if this is OT.
I think there might be a little problem here. I’m not
amedical person, butIbuprophin and Motrin are the same chemically but Tylenol is not. Interesting theory, though. Not sure how what I wrote will look as I botched it and could not fix it, but again, Tylenol is different, the other two are the same with different brand names. ibuph
Right, that was my point on the Ibuphrophen. In 2008, there were problems with BOTH medicines. I am just wondering if who ever designed this particular virus MADE it to react WITH iburophrophen to make things WORSE.
Just want to make sure people understand that Tylenol is not the same as the other two
oh yes, sorry if I was confusing, Tylenol and Motrin caused my Grandsons problems, but it is ONLY ibuprophin that seems to worsen covid 19,
The Original Batman Movie? I don’t remember the plot detail you described . . .
I meant the one with Michael Keaten from @1989, NOT the 1966 one with Adam West, by bad, I should have clarified. There are NOT too many of us who remember even the 1989 one, let alone the 1966 version LOL
IBUPROFEN
Wiki
Ibuprofen is a medication in the nonsteroidal anti-inflammatory drug (NSAID) It is available under a number of trade names, including Advil and Motrin. It is on the World Health Organization’s List of Essential Medicines, the safest and most effective medicines needed in a health system.
Also called: isobutylphenylpropionic acid
TYLENOL
Wiki
Paracetamol, also known as acetaminophen and APAP, is a medication used to treat pain and fever.[11][12] It is typically used for mild to moderate pain relief.[11] There is mixed evidence for its use to relieve fever in children.[13][14] It is often sold in combination with other medications, such as in many cold medications.[11] Paracetamol is also used for severe pain, such as cancer pain and pain after surgery, in combination with opioid pain medication….
Paracetamol has relatively little anti-inflammatory activity,[22][23][24] unlike other common analgesics such as the nonsteroidal anti-inflammatory drugs (NSAIDs) aspirin, and ibuprofen, but ibuprofen and paracetamol have similar effects in the treatment of headache. Paracetamol can relieve pain in mild arthritis, but has no effect on the underlying inflammation, redness, and swelling of the joint.[38] It has analgesic properties comparable to those of aspirin,[medical citation needed] while its anti-inflammatory effects are weaker. It is better tolerated than aspirin due to concerns about bleeding with aspirin….
Yeah, this is a really interesting theory. Even more so, because if the ChiComs and Clowns had my medical records, they would have expected me to take ibuprofen, which I didn’t.
Christian Under Quarantine Resigns Self To Reading Bible
https://babylonbee.com/news/quarantined-christian-forced-to-read-the-bible
Babylon Bee Be Best!!!
Hi Wolf. So sorry you are still having such lung issues. I posted this the other day, but it could help you, so I am posting again.
Fresh Ginger tea.
Grate a small fresh piece and add hot water being sure to cover immediately to trap all the essential oils. Steep for a few minutes, strain and drink.
“Ginger is best thought of in the following way: as a respiratory antiviral circulatory stimulant that will calm nausea, reduce diarrhea and stomach cramping, reduce fever (by stimulating sweating), reduce cold chills, reduce inflammation in bronchial passageways, thin mucus and help it move out of the system, reduce coughing (as much as codeine cough syrups), ameliorate anxiety, and provide analgesic relief equal to or better than ibuprofen. It is a synergist, increasing the actions of other herbs and boosting their effectiveness by relaxing blood vessels and increasing circulation, thus carrying the active constituents of the other herbs more efficiently throughout the body. If used at the onset of a cold or flu, i.e., the very day you sense it coming on, it can cut down sick time to 3 days or less and the episode will often be mild. If used once the flu or cold is fully blown it will help ameliorate the symptoms considerably and shorten the illness. How much depends on your general immune health. If you’ve been burning the candle at both ends and putting off resting for too long . . . well, get some soup and settle in for some time off.” S. Buhner
Also, thyme (yes, the food kind) is very good for lung health. Some homemade chicken broth with lots of thyme in it would be very good for you.
Thanks! My wife is the tea expert (I’m COFFEE), so I will see if we have ginger and thyme teas – I think we do!!!
OR put both in your chicken broth! (I rather drink chicken broth than straight ginger tea.)
Chicken noodle soup is always good, too.
I did a bunch of outdoor work today. My wind is definitely affected, but I’m not incapacitated. Just aged 10 years in the course of two weeks. I used to be strong for my age. That’s gone. I still have the muscle, but I’m huffing and puffing in a fraction of the time.
I will be signing onto any legal actions against CHYYYNNAA for this stuff.
Fresh ginger root is the best, if you can get it. Should be in the produce section of the grocery, on a normal day, anyway!
I’m having organic ginger tea as we speak!
I would be fascinated to know how it works for you, as I am studying herbalism very hard. I am so against Big Pharma, and I hope to help others avoid it as much as possible.
Pgroup, I’m glad you said this. I’ve been thinking the same thing. It is interesting states with dem governors are most locked down
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MK0j765ko4📁
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About one year ago…
(sorry, no heat map this month – a couple of our soldiers are down with medical ailments)
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Thank you, Anon.
Note: Not all are USA v. [ ]
Nothing to see here.
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For current sealed cases by state:
https://qmap.pub/cases
157,694 SEALED | 18,555 UNSEALED | 378,296 NON-SEALED
Through the storm do not be afraid!
That’s beautiful, Michael. Thank you.
The concert we were working on before all this hit is something called “Song of Mark” by Marty Haugen. This is actually one of the movements from it.
Our guys sound much deeper than this.
God Bless Israel…H3LL with all the billions given to other middle eastern countries I bet we would not see this.
Teva to send US millions of malaria pills with potential to help COVID-19
Hydroxychloroquine one of several drugs cited in recent days as being possibly effective against coronavirus; Israeli firm says it will provide as many as possible at no cost
https://www.timesofisrael.com/teva-to-send-us-millions-of-malaria-pills-with-potential-to-help-covid-19/?fbclid=IwAR3XtSIiPR3xvz3B56KYr0doMRN1iJQEqlwu7UFxO7YtOURicQwlKQS_EDM
People helping people. Loving each other. Transcends everything
This is one thing I have always admired about Israel..even when living in their country they are OK if you not Jewish…just don’t go around bashing others.
As a connoisseur of generic drugs, I can tell you that Teva has good product, too! 😀
I would trust them prior to other countries in the world.
I have some stories on GENERICS that actually proved better and more reliable than the name brand – I could only speculate as to why.
But generally speaking at the national level – not the individual brand or individual product – India and China are both worthy of scrutiny.
Bill Clinton had a HUGE generic drug scandal with India, and a manufacturer named Ranbaxy – which was also low on my personal quality observation list.
https://dailycaller.com/2016/09/19/exclusive-clinton-foundation-aids-program-distributed-watered-down-drugs-to-third-world-countries/
Hey Generics do help to cut expenses a whole lot. However, Generics have some variation in the ingredients used.
Take women’s hormones for their late in life issues. Its already a guessing game as it is. Well when they using generics it can be worse since the amount one is getting could vary from pill to to in just one bottle.
I watched the entire press conference replay from today.
Dr. Fauci looks TIRED. He was shuffling on his feet, looking down a lot, often had his arms crossed. He did it the entire time, I don’t think it was a problem of conscious. Really it was the look of a man who isn’t a spring chicken that has been working continuously for weeks. At the very end, he answered a press question, and then patted Mike Pence on the shoulder. I think he signalled to Mike Pence that he was done and he needed to stop – my opinion.
The Admiral, OTOH, I don’t know the man could not stand still. Several times I thought he was going to bump Dr. Fauci over or step on his foot. Really crazy. I wonder if he drank too much caffeine or something.
Dr. Ben Carson did a good job of standing still. But when he presented updates from HUD, it seemed like only the right side of his face moved. If I didn’t know better I’d wonder if the man was having a stroke on the left side.
For whatever reason it was a lot harder to watch today. Got a lot more interruptions.
All I know is that A LOT of people are watching these PCs now.
They are all so very, very exhausted. Long hours. Stress. Zero personal time. They probably need to decompress for a few personal hours…crash. Go for a long walk. Whatever relaxes them. Rejuvenate.
All of that said, I do believe we are on the cusp of this mess turning around. Need results from whatever trials they are doing with the malaria drugs.
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Off the wall thought. Assuming the $2,400 ($1,200 per person) becomes a reality. Wife and I have agreed to spend every penny of it on “Made In USA”. Along with other pent up funds. An incredibly small contribution to jump starting America.
Future buys we plan to diligently look for Made in USA. Other countries OK. But we’ll be hellbent on shunning everything ChiCom made.
At this point I am as pissed off at ChiComs, as I have been with towel heads since 9-11. Some shit I don’t forget and I don’t forgive.
This is WAR.
Screw ’em.
Buy American at every opportunity.
Time for the relief pitcher to step in…Give the team a rest… Hello Bill Barr? You guys ready yet?
LOL I’m waiting for Bill Barr to show up at one of these briefings 🙂
The moment he shows up to brief on what the DOJ is doing in the CV crisis these people are going to experience acute loose stools!!!
Should we start a betting pool? What would be the spread?
Well Dr. Fauci wasn’t so tired that he couldn’t give an interview to that DREADFUL Maureen Dowd 🙄 Saw it on twitter tonight. He said he was getting only 3-5 hours of sleep, and he is 79 !!! There’s no one he’s mentored in the whole CDC who could job-share with him ?? 🤷♀️
Of course, Maureen’s op ed is highly critical of the President even though Fauci speaks the fine art of political dodging …. not worth printing here.
These pressers have got to be getting old for the team; especially the Q&A with the mob. It’s ghastly!!
With every single stupid, moronic, embarrassing, TRAP question, they beclown themselves more and more to the American people. They are DESTROYING themselves.
Idiot reporters think you can top the Trump?
BRING IT.
We need the ChiCom-19 pressers. Same as we need chopper pressers or pressers in any setting.
Gotta get the unfiltered message out to America. Without pressers, MCM wilkl interview, AND trap whoever they are interviewing to say foolsih shit.
Even when the smart guys and gals answer at pressers, President Trump and VP Pence can chime in with clarification.
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Hopefully the smart guys behind President Trump will decline Sunday talk show ambushes. Offer up President Trump and VP Pence to stare the bastards down, highlight progress and stare down corrupt MCM.
Amen!!
I hope that Trump innovates a way to bring back a rally. I may end up watching replays of some of the ones I missed.
Fauci <3 Hillary
'nuff said.
OK I’m bringing this one back out of retirement folks.
4GW. I’m PISSED. They aren’t going to pull this crap and get away with it.
It’s going to be BIBLICAL.
https://twitter.com/JuliansRum/status/1203057415849234438
God bless you all.
Thanks for the re-run Michael. Never tire of it!
Thanks, Michael!
That video just never gets old.
Michael – I believe that Gail Combs has the key to bringing down BIO-9/11 and all the profiteers.
They’re all in this together, and they are desperate to stop CHINA from taking any blame, because if that happens, their plan doesn’t WORK.
A good trick.
But it HAS to work.
I will put it this way.
Our INTEL knows.
I certainly hope so.
However there are SIGNS.
1. The taking down of universities and researchers for hidden $$$ from China (1000 Talents Program)
2. Sec. Pompeo’s ‘Come to Jesus’ talk to the governors about their aiding China.
3. The stupidity of putting details into published research papers that provide a trail.
If anyone is interested in data on testing, this site has data for all the states updated daily. They show how many tests were given and how many were negative/positive.
https://covidtracking.com/data/
They also have totals each day for the whole country:
https://covidtracking.com/us-daily/
Thank you, Linda! This is very helpful.
A good unwind from all the WuFlu stuff. Either by listening to the song or like me. I’m ready to take a sip. 🙂
https://twitter.com/alison4trump/status/1241608641871929344?s=21
I’m sure this makes sense to somebody in power somewhere. But it sure looks like they are failing.
Or falsifying some of it and are afraid there going to get caught either by instate insurrection or the administration?
YUP. There is some kind off scam going on here. Either covering up old crimes, or creating cover for new ones.
Or pulling out of the game because the gig is up one way or the other. Either or anyway it sounds like they don’t need the extras. That’s us being cynical with good reason though. You just got to know they’ve been playing up parts of this.
OMG – I’ve got it – HEALTHCARE SCAMMING. They’re going to not test people, but then charge the feds for mythical tests. Medical fraud. Just like Democrat votes.
“He who counts the tests gets the money.” So they TURN PEOPLE AWAY on testing but TAKE THE CASH for it. And then they can FALSIFY THE RESULTS.
There is a scam in here somewhere.
All “Sanctuary Cities/States” will do what they can to grab federal money while they can.
Just an opinion, but CDC collects data on every positive Chinese Virus swab. I would do the same thing in LA and stop testing, treat EVERYONE who is even remotely symptomatic. This will help control the virus spread. Illegals will NOT seek treatment, if they think they will be reported. Plaquenil and a Z-pac is about as cheap, safe, and easy as it gets. Like 50 bucks easy.
Never thought I would say it, but I agree with LA on this one.
Slow guy figures this is ignorant. So now, they are all treated as ChiCom-19 cases. If nothing else, ups the PPE requirements, more exhausting for medical workers.
But, this is Komifornia. Keep our expectations low and we won’t be disappointed.
One of these days, it’ll surely be after ChiCom-19 is beaten, Californians really must rise up against their corrupt D-Rat overloards.
NSC shines the laser pointer on CCP!
People are seeing it. Saying it.
We all know they did it. We don’t need confirmation from anyone.
This is a bio-9/11. A bio Pearl Harbor.
Yes. The KEY is that the plotters did much of the UNETHICAL research here in the US, where money talked, and in CHINA, where the government allowed UNETHICAL research more easily (also enjoying the money aspects).
The creation of potentially pandemic FRANKENSTEIN viruses is UNETHICAL.
We already know they were doing it (Gail is all over this) here in America at universities filled with ChiCom actors.
We know they were stealing THAT research and sending it to China.
We know from papers that they were doing the same research in China – the HIV mods.
And they were ALL SET TO MAKE MONEY ON THE RELEASE TO TAKE DOWN TRUMP.
GITMO is not big enough for these people. We need a really big place.
Freaking BIO-9/11.
How many more viruses do they have lined up to fire off at the world? If one, why not five?
There is a substantial wedge of totally unclaimed icecap in Antarctica, known as Marie Byrd land, running from 90 W to 150 W.
It would be expensive, unless all we want to do is kick them off the boat and let them freeze to death, but even that is kind of silly, since it is a more expensive execution method than simply hanging or shooting them. No, if we send them there it’s to keep them alive for some reason.
There also were a couple of Chinese, accused of stealing info, espionage, at a lab in Winnipeg, Canada. They were expelled as spies. This was maybe last summer? Another thought, the plane that went down in Ukraine from Iran had 56 Canadians on it, most having science backgrounds professors and graduate students. This seemed very strange.
Yup. There is a lot of stuff going on right now. I had not thought about that plane, but that plane shoot-down was FISHY AS HELL.
Yes, totally. Amazing Polly had some good videos there as well.
ChiCom-19 IS a hastily planned effort to primarily take down President Trump. Secondary take down America, global economy and promote ChiCom brilliance. Needs to be publicly exposed.
Guessing ChiCom-19 and other “bugs” (ht Barb) are in Wuhan lab were envisioned for another year down the road.
The deteriorating ChiCom economy, and the prospect of four moar years with President Trump, hastened the release of ChiCom-19. Otherwise, ChiComs would have been moar stealth about releasing ChiCom-19.
#EVIL CCP
https://twitter.com/JoeSilverman7/status/1241489021081190401
^^^ American companies own the manufacturing plants…ChiComs nationalized them…
No doubt, there will be hell to pay in the coming month or so on this ChiCom thievery.
Then I guess they never really owned them, huh?
Who’da guessed commies would take stuff.
Hilarious. That’s actually pretty fucking big.
TRUMP RIGHT AGAIN.
Let us put his into real “Trump” perspective.
An AVERAGE AMERICA is traveling into:
(A) A malaria-infested region, or
(B) A ChinaVirus-infested region
Ahem – ahem – which one is more dangerous? Maybe depends on who you are, but – ahem.
WHAT THE FUCK. This drug should be approved IMMEDIATELY for travel in a ChinaVirus-infested region, like – OMG – the United States!
wolf, Laura Ingram says she has taken it, by prescription, each time she’s gone to Africa.
yes, I did mean Laura Ingraham.
If it finishes off the virus, I may want to take it just to be sure.
https://twitter.com/alison4trump/status/1241620126006308865?s=21
Something bothering me about this. I think that STORIES NEED HIDING.
Not sure I understand your comment. 🤷♀️ Going to bed ; will think about it in am. Hugs, Wolfie 💖💖
Good night! It’s all about “Don’t look at who has it” because that might hide transmission stories that show (1) intentional spread, (2) ChiCom actors, (3) targeting of officials, and (4) better science on transmission.
Liberals DON’T WANT TO KNOW THINGS – not only for themselves, but for us.
A lot of stories can be hidden by NOT LOOKING AT DATA.
Chicom actors GRRR
It may be more than one thing going on here. But illegals will NOT seek treatment if every positive test is reported to CDC. To control the virus, you are better off treating anyone who is symptomatic cheaply with Plaquenil and a Z-pack, rather than risk spread amongst the 10-15 million illegal crowd. Only researchers and beancounters care about numbers over treatment.
This has been my contention from the beginning. Most of the country is supposed to be self-isolating for 15 days. If the results of a positive test don’t result in a treatment, and so far the majority are sent home to self isolate, which we are all doing anyway, then the “crisis” over testing shortage seems overblown. Better to focus on treatments and whether prophylactic and possibly post-recovery treatments can positively affect the curve.
And a negative test simply means you don’t have it WHEN TESTED. You still are supposed too self isolate and still could catch it later.
Prioritize tests for health care workers and first responders and LEOs, followed by elderly or health-compromised.
Eventually supply of masks and locations to sufficiently test will be available, but to me, testing shortages is not a crisis. Shortage of masks is far more time & use critical than testing.
I agree that testing needs to be highly strategic – don’t waste it. The WICKED CCP-SYMP FAKE NEWS really created the “testing crisis”, and I think that we need to be smart in who is tested. But beware that GUILTY PARTIES in BIO-9/11 are going to be trying to hide things under “we don’t need to test”. Some of those parties are in CDC.
Ah I now understand your comments, Wolfie. What are they able to hide if we DON’T test …..
Doctor-ordered testing is highest priority, IMO. Also I would add IC/LE-ordered testing, especially in the future, because at some point, medical testing becomes forensic and then a matter for intelligence and the military. Maybe not for THIS virus, but for the NEXT potential Chinese biowarfare attack.
This is part of the reason that this attack is coming through bio and CDC, IMO. We have pushed cabal actors like Clintons, Soros, Gates and other deep state controllers back from FBI, DOJ, and CIA, to differing extents, and now CDC, where Trump KEPT numerous SES and Clintonoids, is their LAST STAND.
There are three ways for CHYYYNNAA to hide its tracks – too little testing, too much testing, and just plain wrong testing.
I understand why you can’t/don’t want to test everyone. But if lots of people aren’t tested and stay home , then the numbers are way lower and it looks like its not as hard on the country? Or are there enough places where it is horrendous that that doesn’t matter, like New York.
Not sure what to think about testing right now, except whatever we do, BEWARE CHINA.
Agreed.
also, there is a tremendous amount we can learn from the data being generated during this evnt.
all of the opportunities to benefit from such are really muddied by all such inconsistencies.
like reports from Italy saying many deaths, attributed to this virus, are as easily attributed to comorbidities.
Brazil is calling it the “Chinese Virus”.’
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I found this in the replies:
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Also in the replies:
“New Zealand calls it the CCP Virus.
Communist Party of China.”
In the ‘very strange’ department is the Asterix comic series from 2017 which featured the masked villain ‘Coronavirus’. Here’s the text of what it says:
“Here comes our favourite, straight from Rome! The Champion with MCDL XII victories! The one they call the ‘The Masked Augira’, the great coronavirus, and his faithful bacillus,”
Might this be in-your-face signaling ahead of time by the Luciferian Deep State, or as Q might allude to, just a coincidence?
Article excerpt:
“New Delhi:: While a virus outbreak with origins in the Chinese city of Wuhan marches out into the world in the new decade of 2020, a character in a 2017 Asterix comic series was actually called Coronavirus!
Asterix, the Gaul from the eponymous French comic faced Coronavirus, a masked Roman villain with a reputation of stopping at nothing to win.
In the 37th edition of the ‘Asterix and the Chariot Race,’ released in the year 2017, Asterix battles his way across Italy in a chariot race against the Romans.”
“The original book ‘Asterix et la Transitalique’ set in ancient Italy was released over two years before Wuhan reported its first case of the new strain of coronavirus in December 2019.”
Source: https://gulfnews.com/world/offbeat/uncanny-asterix-comic-featured-masked-villain-coronavirus-in-the-year-2017-1.1581325738931
For some reason, Deep State in-your-face signaling ahead of time is reminding me of a scene in the first “Billy Jack” movie from 1971.
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This is much like AOC possibly signaling late in the game that SHE had knowledge of corona, OR somebody making sure she looked that way (her CIA schedulers, perhaps). I think they do it for power display reasons, OR the cabal tries to make it look like people have knowledge, to gain control over them. Check this out:
Now in the case of that comic, there is some weird stuff, so yeah – why did this artist get connected to those ideas? I’ll bet there is a real story there. Maybe a cabal contact.
Something going on.
I wonder what is meant by the number/year 1462? I think that’s the Roman date….
Just found a a guy named Appeulius Diocles, a Roman charioteer who claimed 1462 victories.
Here’s the reference. Of course I spelled his name wrong. He was known for his single victories, so the sidekick in the comic is interesting.
https://books.google.com/books?id=wj67DwAAQBAJ&pg=PA17&lpg=PA17&dq=1462+victories&source=bl&ots=i1oY0BwVXL&sig=ACfU3U3HMOA9u9NiZSYy9IS8mZu_lLZ-Gg&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiWjJ25mK7oAhUPWN8KHbl4B3gQ6AEwA3oECAcQAQ#v=onepage&q=1462%20victories&f=false
Add the digits. It’s 13.
Interesting. Kinda like foreshadowing where in one rich dude is telling another rich dude his plan ain’t going to work, assuming the Gaul wins in the comic of course.
PAY ATTENTION!!!
“the great coronavirus, and his faithful bacillus”
Remember the theory that this virus has a side-kick that increases severity of the illness?
Thank you! As soon as I saw that, I was, like – OMG – that MATCHES my own theory based on my own experience, which was partially based on the combination of hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin which appears to take out TWO organisms.
But if this is NOT just disinformation (because I don’t know this comic from SQUAT – BEWARE), and this is a real comic from 2 years ago, then hey – it would appear that the research on how this agent appears and works was ALREADY KNOWN. But THAT is not impossible.
It doesn’t mean – necessarily – any more than generally known medical facts about how to fight coronaviruses in general was floating around in 2017.
In other words, what if this is a MEDICALLY KNOWN FACT about pulmonary coronavirus infections – that they lead to multi-organism pneumonia?
LOGICAL THINKING.
Bio-9/11 is not different from 9/11 – it used MATERIALS AT HAND to construct a crime, and WE are looking backwards in time. At first, things will look suspicious to us, Later, they will make sense as precursors. But there it definitely some stuff that NEEDS EXPLANATION.
This is disinformation. It’s beautiful space-time viewpoint-dependent disinformation. It COULD just be “finder-generated automatic disinformation”. That’s normal. BUT – is the origin with an agency or nation? If so, what agency or nation? THAT has meaning on who has motive to cover up.
LOGICAL THINKING.
Is everybody following me on this?
The comic itself is explainable – potentially. WHO is promoting it now may be a TIP.
“This is disinformation.”
I had a growing feeling this morning after waking that what I had posted could be “deep fake”. I hadn’t considered that earlier.
Somewhere along the way while posting this I saw a mention that the image was from Twitter.
Here is the Wikipedia entry on the issue/book titled ” Asterix and the Chariot Race”, which according to their entry was published on 17 October, 2017:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asterix_and_the_Chariot_Race
Excerpts:
Romans Coronavirus and Bacillus; Julius Caesar Aquila Retired The favorite, Coronavirus (real name Testus Terone), quits the race upon learning his co-driver cheated. Replaced by Julius Caesar, who almost wins but is immobilized by a pot-hole.
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Caricatures and references
Some of the characters in the book are obvious caricatures of real-life people. The innkeeper in Parma resembles opera singer Luciano Pavarotti, while the famous Roman masked charioteer Coronavirus is modeled on racing driver Alain Prost, and the garum tycoon Lupus is modeled on former Italian prime minister Silvio Berlusconi.[4] French media noted that Nefersaynefer and Kweenlatifer resemble Venus and Serena Williams.[5] Reviewers also noted a waitress at the roadside inn in Tibur resembles Italian actress Sophia Loren.[6]
Azithromycin is a favorite for physicians to prescribe for pneumonia because it is a great “make it stop” drug. Research indicates the not only is it active against some viruses, it also seems to “turn off” certain pathways in the immune system. Perhaps this is helpful to avoid sepsis. However, the immune down-regulation can last for months, so not something to take if you don’t need to.
Thanks! Useful information!
Important BACKGROUND read.
Thalidomide had caused birth defects and triggered massive FDA drug regulations and testing in the 1960s.
All that FDA red tape though became a major barrier in the battle against the AIDS epidemic.
One drug, in particular, had been discovered to be very effective in the fight against AIDS – ironically, it was thalidomide.
People began to trust their doctors more than the judgement of the FDA.
The FDA had to relearn and unlearn many lessons before progress could be made against the epidemic.
Ronald Reagan’s Quiet War on AIDS
His FDA accelerated the delivery of lifesaving drugs—providing a template for fighting devastating illnesses today.
Peter W. Huber
Autumn 2016
https://www.city-journal.org/html/ronald-reagans-quiet-war-aids-14783.html
Hopefully CV will unplug the FDA swamp in a BIG way.
CV is certainly highlight the FDA / CDC swamps.
President Trump has internally identified or searching for the next heads of FDA and CDC…to take a blow torch to their regulations and procedures. Gotta get past ChiCom-19 first.
My brother sent me this.its a bit grim but the aim is to buy time now to flatten the cUrve and get drugs manufactured and distributed.
All schools closing Tuesday. Here that is.
My work is just insane atm. And we looking at more staff shortages.
https://eur05.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fmedium.com%2F%40tomaspueyo%2Fcoronavirus-the-hammer-and-the-dance-be9337092b56&data=02%7C01%7C%7C1629428c77a34090171308d7ce320a57%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637204586626069293&sdata=TovGbCWat52zJ92pbFJ%2BEaGWeI9C2bCUy1mcx5TYskI%3D&reserved=0
Virus “disinfo” and the 1A on the twister
https://www.theepochtimes.com/us-lawmakers-call-on-twitter-to-bar-chinese-communist-party-accounts_3281153.html
Interesting dilemma. And the CHICOMS KNOW IT.
ChiNazis are SO DESTRUCTIVE.
They destroy Trust. They destroy Safety. They destroy LIBERTY.
They will push TWO BAD OPTIONS on their enemies.
Say NO to CHINAZIS.
“If you weren’t very ill in late January or February, you probably know someone who was. The complaints often sounded the same: A fever for days, a stubborn and unusual-sounding cough, a persistent sore throat—the severity of the symptoms seemed worse than the usual influenza.
Doctors, assuming it was a version of the seasonal flu, administered flu-fighting drugs without testing. (My college daughter was very sick with the same symptoms; her flu test was negative.) Plenty of afflicted Americans just stayed in bed without ever seeing a physician.
Obviously, anecdotal evidence that the COVID-19 illness has been around for at least the past few months isn’t enough to make the case that there’s a chance the worst days of the outbreak are behind, not ahead, of us. But data from the Centers for Disease Control seems to support the possibility that the country has been besieged by the novel coronavirus since the start of 2020.
And while political leaders and medical experts push for more and more draconian measures to “flatten the curve,” it raises some questions. Are we looking at the right “curve?” And how accurate is the current curve if it doesn’t include possible cases before the height of the hysteria began in late February and early March?………”
https://www.amgreatness.com/2020/03/19/dangerous-curves/
My 16 year old has the thinnest medical file. Virtually nothing except routine vaccinations. He prob has had as many or more trips to a&e due to him being a boy but 2 weeks ago he got very sick. Vomiting first then headache lasting 3 days and a racking cough. Taken to dr but no pneumonia. I suspect he had Coronavirus.
Off topic I may be posting less as work is very busy. I work in a major hospital and we are swamped with sick and anxious.
Have a friend who’s dad nearly died fri from corona. He’s elderly. She had a bad sore throat two weeks ago. Works with me.
Best wishes to all. Imma thinking of sending the family to country property. That could descend into lord of the flies quite quickly though.
Oh dear, Ozzy…we will miss you, but I certainly understand.
I didn’t know that you work in a hospital.
That can be kind of scary right now…since you are on the front lines of this.
Please stay safe…as much as you can.
And check in with us when you can, to let us know how you are!
I ain’t dead yet. I may just have less time to read and post and if I do post it may be duplicate stuff. Sorry in advance
Yup. And I’m STILL short of breath.
I knew it. NOT ALONE.
Heard from a friend near Gainsville, FL that it probably hit their family circle late in January.
Got more cases in early Feb!
Haaa…these people have come up with a Quarantine Song:
https://twitter.com/QTAnon1/status/1241657853619752961?s=20
This just shows the TDS press right here!
This morning’s review of the NLM research literature on Hydroxychloroquine and COVID-19/SARS-CoV-2 in treatment and prevention.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed?linkname=pubmed_pubmed&from_uid=32194152
Keep checking for more.
Whapp! Fake doctor-fake news gets put in place!
Azithromycin is helping because it has both antibiotic and antiinflammatory effect – important in battling COVID-19 pneumonia.
Don’t go look that doctor @topherius1 – he’s an anti-Trumper. His feed is all about nit-picking and making every possible accusation they can against Trump.
HOSPITAL SETS TREATMENT RECOMMENDATIONS:
“COVID-19 treatment recs from my hospital (Northwestern)
Well put together – I found myself agreeing with almost all of it. Hard to disagree given the state of the evidence, but helpful to have numbers”
PDF: http://ebrheum.com/twts
More resources: http://asp.nm.org
Medical people – check out replies to this.
Antivirals are being pushed in some quarters…. like Bloomberg….and maybe big pharma.
Hmm This what some Anon from 8Kun found:
Hydroxychloroquine patent expired in 2002.
https://wearethene.ws/notable/91248
Yep – Big Pharma and Researchers want to use the pandemic to make $$$ on patents – vaccines and antiviral drugs.
Chloroquine patent expired in 2002 and cost of treatment for CV patients would be chap.
Thread!
https://twitter.com/batman121913/status/1241467692768526336
Here is the twitter thread mentioned in the above:
Tweets by batman121913
Also a new patent was published about using chloroquine to treat cancer. (dated 9 Jan 2020):
https://twitter.com/batman121913/status/1241484884113264643
Florida …
TDTESS
known cases soar to 763
being monitored 1,080
deaths 12
bad situation in Lauderdale nursing homes ! …Broward County
Broward 164 known cases
Miami 169 known cases
Palm B 56 known cases
Tampa 47 known cases
Collier 28 known cases
link…info updates + Data & Surveillance Dashboard by county…
https://www.clickorlando.com/news/florida/2020/03/21/number-of-florida-coronavirus-cases-swells-to-763/
Mar 21, 2020
FTA…backlog of tests…expect to see sharp increase of postive tests in coming days.
another link…Timeline…updates…various Twitter links and other related info…
https://www.wftv.com/news/local/orange-county/live-updates-fda-approves-1st-rapid-coronavirus-test-results-produced-45-minutes/FXXYMINP4VEFPA2CXMB2YIYNIQ/
FTA…
over 1,000 Nat’l Guardsmen are reporting COVID-19 crisis per Gov DeSantis into testing stations in Miami/Dade and Orange counties…
…also FYI : FDA and other health agencies are now saying “no evidence” that Ibuprofen/NSAIDs worsen
Covid 19 …
more on all of that and other updates at link.
I also read elsewhere that Gov DeSantis is now considering opening up shelters statewide to house and care for those tested postive…looking for that link…
Some Good News in FL –
Only 151 CV patients hospitalized as of 5:29 pm last night. *https://floridadisaster.org/globalassets/covid19/dailies/covid-19-data—daily-report-2020-03-21-1731.pdf
No sign of virulent community spread outside of hot spots….yet.
Many more negative tests than positive tests….so far.
FL DOH doing an awesome job on their webpages!!!
Best FL news – Øbastard 2.0 ain’t our governor and DeSantis ain’t one bit PC.
I’m in a hot spot…I’m looking at the spread…
it’s always been that spread that’s concerned me…in south Florida right now it’s raging in 3-4 counties…as long as it’s spreading, it’s not going away…altho I am relieved to see, so far, that the number of related deaths doesn’t seem to be spiking quite so sharply…..but, of course, that’s not meant to minimize the pain & suffering for those victims and families…
this is a stealth virus…most contagious when infected ppl aren’t even aware they have it yet…but Gov DeSantis has a level head…no Deep State BS for him ! he knows the score…he’ll lead us thru this…
They are doing trial/s of Hydroxychloroquine + Azithromycin for prevention – post-exposure prophylaxis https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT04308668
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/32196083
If it works, it might cool down the hot spots.
GOD Bless and protect and help all the good men and women in the medical science professions who are working so hard thru this crisis.
AMEN!
…and the same Blessings to ALL the Firemen/women and First Responders who are putting their own lives and reputations at risk on a daily minute-by-minute emergency basis…protecting us while we distance ourselves and hoard paper products..
they are the working Heros, imo. <3
FL CoV Hospitalizations up to 181 – as of 6:30 pm.
Smiley – It’s looking like if the virus gets into a nursing home it wreaks havoc.
Our daughter and her Dad live in a secluded 900 resident comprehensive care (independent living to memory care and skilled nursing care for bed-ridden elderly) retirement community – and at the first sign of flu in the area, they shut down non-essential visitation and screen workers aggressively.
Unless the facility staff are very skilled and have a plan for aggressive contagion containment….it’s going to take a huge toll.
It also helps if there is a plan to remove the infected elder to a hospital where they are ready and able to save that life.
Unfortunately – most nursing homes and home care groups have a hard time keeping good, reliable, well-trained caring staff.
NOW up to 164 hospitalized with CV in FL
https://floridadisaster.org/globalassets/covid19/dailies/covid-19-data—daily-report-2020-03-22-0951.pdf
NO EVIDENCE Ibuprofen Worsens Coronavirus
article link…
https://www.wftv.com/news/health-agencies-no/H23FCZGCZZEK5G76OZZZ74RYRM/
March 21, 2020
FDA agrees.
any ideas on why deliveries to stores are behind/irregular and otherwise messed up?
https://wqth.wordpress.com/2020/03/21/20200321-dear-china-virus-wuflu-covid19-ccpwuhanvirus/#comment-435866
Increased demand for goods with people stocking up in case of 2 week quarantine – so truckers overloaded and getting upset because of no food – no bathrooms – restaurants and rest stops closed!
No – that doesn’t explain what I posted in yesterday’s comment.
NORMAL deliveries aren’t coming through.
In my comment from yesterday, I acknowledged that stocks are low due increased demand (stocking up in case one is ill and can’t get out + sudden shift from part of food sources being cafeterias/take out/drive through/sit down restaurants to all home cooking) but why are Normal deliveries not coming through?
If supply chains were sound and we had the exact same amount of food in coming, we would see all Normal delivery chains operating as usual – usual warehouse incoming, usual warehouse outgoing, usual truck deliveries, usual stock coming into the stores.
The stores would still be low on stock due to increased demand but at least deliveries would and incoming stock to the stores would be Normal.
And then, just like at Christmas, companies would add trucks as they got additional supplies into the warehouses to make additional deliveries to catch up on the increased demand.
Not only are additional deliveries not being made, Normal deliveries are fouled up big time.
Why are Normal deliveries messed up? The Usual amount of stock is not being delivered much less extra to deliveries to catch up. Why? Why isn’t there at least the Usual amount of stock being delivered to the retail stores?
Ideas?
Think assembly line:
All things functioning normally until suddenly the work force doubles at the end of the assembly line halving the time it takes at last phase leaving those workers idle for stretches of time. However, the rest of the factory assembly line is Normal so the output remains the same even if the end of the assembly line is now capable, even in need of more output. But the output remains normal. It may seem like the rest of the factory is “behind” but it isn’t – the end of the assembly line is just ahead/increased capacity.
Now, if the above scenario happens the CEO will attempt to increase production at to the points of the assembly line. But increase production should not reduce output. At most, it will not increase at the rate that the end of the assembly line can handle but it should not reduce.
Or a better analogy: Shipping department capability doubles. Factory output should not change baed on Shipping department speed doubling. Warehouses will now empty faster but the incoming from the factory should not slow….unless increase warehouse speed is Not the only problem.
We consumers buying more should NOT slow the supply chain output.
We have increased demand And slower/messed up supply chain output. The latter is what I can’t understand and what I am wondering about.
Another MAJOR POINT — Companies start producing to fill Christmas demand NOW. Warehouses get stocked and such. The corporations got blind sided by the China Virus demand and just do not have the stockpile to draw from.
That is why preppers and people who had a clue and bought weeks and weeks ago helped companies by flattening the demand curve. It is also why the China-Bots made fun of preppers and discourage advance prepping.
THEY WANT CHAOS so they can blame it on TRUMP MISMANAGEMENT!
President Trump sidestepped the problem by handing it BACK to the states. 😋
All good points and I get that it will take a while to catch up with extra deliveries and increased deliveries of product. Increased demand explains why shelves are low on stock when they first open and bare shortly after opening.
But why are deliveries coming in as normal? the Usual deliveries aren’t arriving.
Increased demand should not in any way decrease deliveries or decrease the Normal availability of product in the supply chain.
Sure, it may take time to catch up, to increase deliveries and get supply in the stores back to normal. But deliveries to consumers should at least be normal if supply chains are not messed up.
It is not the low stock in the stores that I am questioning. It is the decrease availability in the supply chain, the reduced deliveries to the stores.
One thing that we are thinking is that there is a large part of our food supply chain that is dependent on China for sourcing &/or for processing.
In late Jan & early Feb, husband and I began to think about our consumables around the house that may come from China or that may be made here but still dependent on sourcing of materials from China. We live simply – not many consumables, Even make many of our own cleaners. Have plenty of spray bottles for that. We bought a some extra of the few things we thought of.
We knew that if the China supply chain stayed messed up for long we would see occasional – rare purchases go up in price but we couldn’t just buy an extra of everything.
One reason we thought of a small list is because we are very careful to not buy food from China so food didn’t apply from us. We are careful even with our ingredients – tea, garlic, etc. Even our bulk purchases such as herbal teas, etc. we check sources because we have wanted nothing that we eat/drink to come from China for years. We eat simply, we eat at home and we eat very few things that could be sourced from China if any.
What we didn’t think of was how much the rest of America’s food supply chains are dependent/sourced from China and how disruptions to everyone else’s food supply chains would then impact Our Usual Purchases!
Eggs, Chicken, other meat, milk, fruit, veggies, fruit juice, packaged foods, etc., come from China &/or are processed in China &/or are dependent on ingredients from China. May be made in Mexico but from where the ingredients sourced?
We knew this about most groceries and live simply because we prioritize quality food and food sourcing over other stuff (our grocery budget is way more than most people’s in our similar income bracket – but Zero of other things in our budget like store bought hair cuts, cable/satellite, restaurants, take out, cell phones, etc. in order to afford quality food).
We did Not think through the ripple effect of the majority of American’s food sources & supply chains being disrupted on our own food sources/supply chains. When the usual is not available, the organic chicken, US sourced beef, eggs, milk, etc. are now being bought by new customers. It wasn’t first choice but when other choices were gone suddenly our, more expensive US made groceries were gone too.
China is a Huge source of American food and Food “products”. Take that % of food and other household supplies out of the supply chain + increased demand and Boom….Problems!
If it was Only increased demand then All normal deliveries would be taking place. Shelves might be low but all normal deliveries would be coming in.
Did China stop producing because of workers being sick? Keeping stuff for themselves because of overall reduced production? Other areas of supply chain messed up because of China shutdown and many illnesses? Food production in China down? Nothing to bring to US?
Somewhere upstream, the supply chain is off. Demand is up but increased demand does not affect the normal functioning of the supply chain including deliveries. At most, we should see increased deliveries not decreased.
Something we are thinking about and wondering if others have thoughts about the supply chains
THINK PACKAGING
How much of our bottles, (plastic and glass) cans, plastic wrap…. are made in CHINA?
Both of the plastics companies I worked for in the 1980s were shipping tons of food grade and other plastics over to China. So how much of the injection molding business also got shipped to China?
If you can not package the food you can not sell it.
This may be why the fresh food is more available.
Excellent point on why supply chains are messed up. I am sure there are multiple points at which the supply chain is messed up. My Big point is that the empty store shelves go way beyond increased consumption of/demand for groceries by consumers in the stores
*IF* China is truly back to “normal” output/processing/shipping then we should see about a 2 month “air bubble” work its way through the supply chain system (or however long Chin was at reduced/very little capacity) to return to normal supply chain output. And then longer to catch back up to proper/normal in store supplies/stock.
There are shortages throughout the supply chain, not just short term shortages due to a sudden surge in demand.
Last night during a sleepless period, I got to thinking about how so many of our parents and certainly grandparents, basically lived a self-quarantine (as we are currently calling it) lifestyle…if they lived outside a city.
For example, I grew up in very rural PNW, where the nearest grocery store was 15 miles. Parents went “into town” twice a month, on payday, for groceries. There was a Chinese restaurant, as far as I recall it was the only restaurant in town, and after grocery shopping our family of 4 ate there…our big family outing.
As with most families at the time, there was one car and Dad drove it to work. That meant Mom was at home in a farm community with the nearest neighbor at least 1/2 mile away…every day.
But, life was pretty basic…ringer washer and clothes line drying, no TV, local station radio , no “store-bought” cookies, pies, cakes or instant packages of anything except Wonder Bread! Most families grew and raised (beef, chickens,pork) what they ate and did a lot of preserving for the winter months. In other words, plenty to do on a daily basis.
And, women did a lot of sewing, especially children’s clothes, knitting, quilt making, etc. in their spare time!
Now the point is…we aren’t talking pioneer days or a 100 years ago but in my early childhood in the decades after WWII. “Self-quarantine” was pretty much a lifestyle for the rural population in the US, and only changed when women entered the workforce, if they even had that opportunity.
The older generation can adjust to quarantine fairly easily…it’s the always on the go, entertain- me generations that will have difficulty if it goes on for an extended period.
Teagan,
Very good point. March 12th was our last trip to town. Stopped at our favorite eatery for a ‘last meal’ and have not been back to town since. I do not miss it at all.
Hubby, raised near Boston, is the one who wants to run in to town at the drop of a hat. I rather go twice a month plus 4 times a year to Sam’s Club to really stock up on supplies.
I consider a run into town a waste of fuel.
Excessive demand on distribution warehouses. Excessive demand on suppliers to those dsitribution points.
Facility built for lesser throughput. Can surge, but there are choke points in operations. UPS and FedEX experience this at Christmas time with small package surge.
Staffing would need to surge. Takes some time. Not too much, but time. Then there is training on the job to gain proficiency.
All to be expected in my mind.
The system is experiencing the pain of never anticipated demand.
We’ll get through this in a few weeks. Month tops.
AND consider folks are eating far more meals at home, than when workforce is working. Toss in snacks, junk food…
“Stocking up” demand aside, grocery demand sure went up just for added meals at home, guessing 5-10%.
Folks can only rat hole so much food, then they’ll go into sustainment mode. Then they buy what food they need to replace consumed.
Steep climb to fully restock. We will get there.
I get the low stock and it will take time for stores to get back to normal levels.
But why aren’t Normal deliveries coming through? Why aren’t the stores receiving at least their normal supplies? The normal amount of deliveries are not enough to restock fully or even partially but the amount on the shelves is not my point. The stores are not receiving their normal deliveries. Why not?
Distribution points are backed up. Stores did not necessarily get a delivery everyday.
Unlike paper products or water, most food products are pulled by the case or a few cases. Takes time to build pallets.
Whatever normal supplies were, I think were always a moving target…based on fickle customer purchases.
The overall food system, is simply a system of systems. Overall system never optimized as a whole. Inherent choke points.
No doubt in my mind, it’ll balance out. IF for no other couple reasons. Folks need money to continue buying at warp speed. Folks need a place to store the food. Freezer and fridge space? Dry storage space appropriate for product. Consumer ability to “consume” product before shelf life expires.
I think that there are more things at play than you are giving credit to. Normally, when there is a snow, hurricane, earthquake warning the corporate office for the grocery stores automatically send out extra stock (i.e. milk, eggs, bread, TP, etc.) that is not ordered by the store. In addition, the store orders extra stock. The manufacturers know there is a weather system coming and prepare for it. The grocery stores no long have “back room stock” so when you go into a store, that is all there is. They are dependent on the next order to replenish the shelves and that almost never includes ordering from a bare shelf.
We were told to prepare for 2 weeks, which changed to 4 weeks, then months. The schools closed and the TP which was being used at the school is now being used at home. Also for workers who are now home are no longer using supplies from their workplace. The consumers restocked over and over trying to keep up with the moving goal post. Then panic set in as the shelves became more bare. Now when shopping people are picking up “another one” just in case.
The bigger stores have distribution centers where the stock goes first and the order from the store is filled and sent out to individual stores by truck. Not “any” truck can go to “any” store, for instance in Georgetown in Washington smaller tractor trailers are used because of the width of the streets, not all stores have a loading dock, etc.
I believe there was even a vegetable shortage this past summer. Does anyone remember Y2K? We weren’t confined to home then and could shop anytime we wanted. Just a different prospective.
Oh and by the way, there are some stores that get their orders filled first and more complete and usually get better product depending on where the store is located. Gee, some of those stores in the Georgetown area service our senators and congress critters.
cthulhu @ midnight said:
“I am just loving the way this is shaking out. You have symptoms, and take a 45-minute test. If negative, you’re told “go home, you probably have the flu — stay away from people, watch out for complications.” If positive, You take a hydroxychloroquine “establishment dose” with a z-pak right there. You’re given another six days of medication and sent home — and told to not talk to a soul for six days, then come back for a retest that everyone expects will be negative.
Medicine, at the speed of Trump!”
…………..
(S)He missed a few points and counter points.
1. President Trump knew the China Virus was already in the USA when he shut the borders to China February 2
2. President Trump knew the jan/feb tests were CRAP. Heck we knew the tests were CRAP.
3. Never forget that as President Trump said while campaigning in 2016, he knows a LOT of corporate sharks.
….
I think from the time the virus/gene sequence became available in January until now, that President Trump, his trusted corporate sharks, Prime Minister Netanyahu and Prime Minister Shinzo Abe have been working over time to come up with reliable tests and effective anti-viral drugs (NOT VACCINES). Meanwhile President Trump’s legal sharks have been working on the legal aspects of implementing ‘off-label’ testing and use of the drugs, and quarantine… (THIS was the reason for the Sham-peach-Mint BTW to divert attention and resources.)
Early on President Trump down played the China Virus because he did not want his/our enemies to realize what he was up to.
Then WHAM!
Nasty Nancy Messonnier of the CDC blows the lid off the simmering bat virus soup and President Trump is there READY with ALL his weapons lined-up. Instead of being caught flatfooted as the Cabal planned, he grabs the situation and twists it to HIS advantage.
He at first ALLOWS the media to scared the crap out of the general population (and businesses) so people are GOING TO STAY HOME if they do not feel well or have the sniffles.
So they will GO GET TESTED. (Media hype about not being ALLOWED the test will increase DEMAND.)
THEY WILL SELF-QUARANTINE. Social pressure has done an about face and now DEMANDS they do vs Nasty Nancy Messonnier’s message about how difficult and horrible the 14-day quarantine is and we must feel COMPASSION for the people so mistreated. 🙄
The virus will probably self-destruct in the spring.
…
This is rather interesting from David A to refute the possibility of the virus being a Bioweapon:
(I consider the fast mutation to be a feature BTW. Damage your enemy via super spreaders and then fade away.)
https://chiefio.wordpress.com/2020/03/19/lockdown-report/#comment-126925
“….The virus mutates far to fast to trust any antidotes. About 49 mutations so far…”
*https://www.thailandmedical.news/news/breaking-new-research-indicates-sars-cov-2-coronavirus-is-indeed-mutating-into-various-strains-that-have-specific-preference-of-attacking-human-host-
I have seen no evidence of any vaccine.”
And
“We now believe that there are more than even a hundred strains and still increasing, exhibiting different characteristics and behaviours and some have substantial changes on the codons and on their genomic structure that it will affect the efficiency of the PCR NATs test despite so much claims from the manufacturers and medical experts that it will not.”
*https://www.thailandmedical.news/news/breaking-new-research-indicates-sars-cov-2-coronavirus-is-indeed-mutating-into-various-strains-that-have-specific-preference-of-attacking-human-host-
E.M.Smith chimes in:
“All RNA viruses mutate rapidly. Almost all the changes are irrelevant. Many cause the virus to be less effective. Unfortunately, with several billion replication events in one person, some changes will make a more effective strain.”
THAILAND… why no other reports???….
Thailand pushes China’s Belt and Road despite differing visions
Prayuth’s appearance at Beijing forum shows warming ties
*https://asia.nikkei.com/Spotlight/Belt-and-Road/Thailand-pushes-China-s-Belt-and-Road-despite-differing-visions
So, I am as worried as anyone about our elderly getting sick and dying of this horrible virus, but how long until we do something about shutting down the economy?
It appears to me that we are doing things backwards. Schools closing doesn’t make sense, as the young don’t seem to die from this disease. If teachers are over 50, or live in a multi-generational home, then they should stay home, and subs should come in.
Workers under 40 or 45 should be allowed to work. The ELDERLY, SICK, or IMMUNE COMPROMISED should stay home, and be supported in doing that by teams of young healthy people.
We can’t collapse the economy and expect the country to survive. After two more weeks of this, the Food Stamp and welfare rolls are going to explode. We will be back to Obama numbers. Something has to give.
How long before restaurant and bar owners, small businesses and companies revolt? I don’t own a restaurant, but I can tell you, if I did, I would be seriously considering it. Because we are doing this backwards. There will be ghost towns across America, with no main street businesses open anymore.
If we don’t fix this pretty soon, I can’t imagine what is going to happen. I am not an alarmist, but this is getting out of hand.
It’s getting fixed, IMO.
One minor point. Kids need to be home.
If kids were in school, and working parents have a bug, say, ChiCom-19, the kids can get it. They are not immune. Minor symptoms is the story line.
So then kid has it from parents at home. Kids shares with other kids in school. Other kids bring newly received ChiCom-19 home to parents.
President Trump has this.
Aubergine,
The 15 day shut down, I think was needed for political reasons and to get people’s attention. To put it bluntly it was necessary to MAKE PEOPLE HURT. (Sorry but that is nature’s basic training tool.)
President Trump is calling this the China Virus to DRIVE HOME THE MESSAGE — CHINA IS YOUR ENEMY. So far he has ‘played nice’ with the Chinese Communist Party, but now he can yank the gloves off.
(This is why the commies are freaking out about his pinning the blame on who it belongs.)
UNIVERSITIES
China, Russia, and Other Foreign States Have Given U.S. Universities $10 Billion
“The Clarion Project launched its probe into foreign investment and influence in the American education system after the Department of Education (DOE) announced in June it was investigating Georgetown University and Texas A&M University “as part of a broader push to monitor international money flowing to American colleges,”…”
PROFESSORS
STATES
Pompeo Warns US Governors of Risks of Dealing with China
STRATEGIC INDUSTRIES
NOTE DATE: February 7, 2019
White House Briefing
*https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefings-statements/america-will-dominate-industries-future/
America Will Dominate the Industries of the Future
“To make people hurt”….popularly called TOUGH LOVE a few years back when kids were into the drug scene.
YES, what the Rockefeller’s DELIBERATELY removed from American child rearing practices.
“The Hand that Rocked the Cradle: A Critical Analysis of Rockefeller Philanthropic Funding, 1920–1960.”
*http://historicalstudiesineducation.ca/index.php/edu_hse-rhe/article/view/434/581
BOY! Have they done everything they can to hide that article!
(I remembered the title but the bookmark was on my old system.)
Well that SINKS any doubts about ChinCom puppet Fauci
NOTE DATE: March 18, 2020
‘A much easier process’: Trump touts potential of ‘self-swab’ coronavirus test
NOTE DATE! PUBLISHED: 16:07 EDT, 21 March 2020
Doctors in New York and California are advised to ONLY test patients for coronavirus if the result could change how they are treated as hopes of containment collapse
A lot more in the article. They also show DRIVE THRU TESTING IN NYC!!!
China death toll might be almost 20 million?
https://www.theepochtimes.com/the-closing-of-21-million-cell-phone-accounts-in-china-may-suggest-a-high-ccp-virus-death-toll_3281291.html
China 2020 population is estimated at 1,439,323,776 (1.4 Billion)
10.9% are over 65 years of age.
*https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SP.POP.65UP.TO.ZS?locations=CN&most_recent_value_desc=true
calculated as 156,886,291
(That is mostly from China’s numbers in February)
Figure a conservative 6% death rate for all those over 65 years.
That gives 9,413,177 or about 9.4 billion deaths if everyone contracted the disease. (Remember it was the two week holiday so there was a lot of travel and visiting with family.)
How infective is it?
Italy has 886 infected per million
Luxembourg — 1,275/1,000,000
Iceland — 1,665/1,000,000
San Marino — 5,158/1,000,000 or 0.5% (not counting asymptomatic)
*https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries
▶️ It looks like the # infected is more dependent on testing then on anything else. Remember NO HERD IMMUNITY so anyone who comes in contact is likely to be infected.
If we redo the numbers using the infection rate.
0.5% =
0.005158 X 156,886,291 = 809,219 infected and 6% (X 0.06) die = 48,553
So you are looking at a number somewhere between 50,000 and 9.4 billion FOR JUST THOSE OVER 65!!!
China is claiming 3,261 deaths. I call BULL SHIFF!
You twice said 9.4 billion where you (presumably) meant 9.4 million. There aren’t 9.4 billion people on Earth, and never have been.
(Normally I wouldn’t have commented, but you did it twice.)
ARRGH…. Thanks for catching that Steve. My allergies are driving my eyes nutz so I am very glad to have someone check my math.
I didn’t check your arithmetic in any detail at all, so you may have flubbed somewhere. But 9.4B pegged the BS meter instantly and I figured it was just a typo…until I saw it twice.
You threw me at the Billion deaths but I know what you mean! 😉
Oh how to have an edit button.
Posted this on the News Roundup earlier…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pkHDj7eUb60
She ties VP Pence to PEPFAR which she says is part of a “circle of fraud” with globalists. I don’t have time to look into it now. I really don’t want Pence to be dirty.
Hopefully not, but he did advocate for keeping it funded. Time will tell. Trust, but verify.
I think Trump and Pence keeping Brix and PEPFAR was mostly tactical. HIV was weaponized heavily by the CABAL that needed and wanted it studied and let loose in the population. It has it’s own advocacy group – GAYS. Anybody who opposes a “search for a cure” is automatically a villain. Gotta be SLY on HIV.
Both Beelzebubba and Dubya wanted Brix and PEPFAR kept. Obviously both of these things – the dupey gal and the dupey org – must be cabal as hell, and we know that already. Beelzebubba, Cankles and CF are all dirty as hell on HIV, including Ranbaxy (bad Indian generics) and Kenya (where the bad drugs went), and somehow connected to the CF HIV / vaccine specialist in Kenya who was taken out by Somali Al Shabaab (the terrorists checked IDs, too – clearly a targeted killing).
I think all of this stuff was tied to BIO-9/11. Trump had to know going in that they would do something – I think Trump and Pence are playing along, just like they did on the two prior attempts (Russia and Ukraine hoaxes) to remove them.
Pence is OK. I studied the PEPFAR thing. PEPFAR is “dupe” – it’s all set up to drain federal bucks to these cabal actors. Ask who you send into a dupe org? Somebody who passes as a dupe.
Thanks.
It would not surprise me.
Pence is a lawyer and politician with older brother also a politician.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Pence
Gov. Mike Pence was president of IPR
https://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/Indiana_Policy_Review_Foundation#Ties_to_the_Franklin_Center_for_Government_and_Public_Integrity
IPR seems to have ties to Franklin Center for Government and Public Integrity, now called Franklin News Foundation. IPR does not disclose it’s source of funding.
I raise an eyebrow at “pushing free-market ideals” That catch phrase has gotten us into a lot of trouble with China.
https://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Franklin_News_Foundation
Charles Koch provides some of the funding. Searle Freedom Trust is another.
Advisory Board
As of September 2013 (No advisory board posted as of May 2019):[76]
Tucker Carlson, Editor-in-Chief, The Daily Caller
Jack Fowler, Publisher, National Review
Ashley Landess, President, South Carolina Policy Council
Joseph Lehman, President, Mackinac Center for Public Policy
Mark Tapscott, Executive Editor, The Washington Examiner
….
Good guys? Bad guys? I am not at all sure without a lot more diging
This is a transcription of an audio file than an acquaintance of mine saw on FBook. It was passed on by a nurse who thinks the information is useful.
🤧🤧🤧🤧🤧🤧🤧🤧🤧🤧🤧🤧
Just wanted to pass on this information. It was sent to me by a colleague who has a friend that works the main hospital on our island.
The Chinese now understand the behavior of the COVID19 virus thanks to autopsies they have carried out. This virus is characterized by obstructing respiratory pathways with which mucus that solidifies and blocks the airways and lungs. They have discovered that in order to apply and administer medicine you have to open and unblock these airways so that the treatment can be used to take effect. However, all of this takes a number of days. Their recommendations for what you can do to safeguard yourself are:
Drink lots of hot liquids. Coffee, soups, teas, warm water. In addition take a sip of warm water every 20 minutes because this keeps your mouth moist and washes any of the virus that has entered your mouth into your stomach where the gastric juices will neutralize it before it can get to the lungs.
Gargle with an antiseptic in warm water like vinegar or salt or lemon every day if possible.
The virus attaches itself to hair and clothes. Any detergent or soap kills it, but you must take a bath or shower when you get in from the street. Avoid sitting down anywhere, and go straight to the bathroom or shower. If you cannot wash your clothes daily, hang them in direct sunlight which also neutralizes the virus
Wash metallic surfaces very carefully because the virus can remain viable on these for up to 9 days. Take note and be vigilant about touching handrails and doorhandles, etc. Within your own house as well you can make sure that you are keeping those clean and wiping them down regularly.
Don’t smoke.
Wash your hands every 20 minutes using any soap that foams. Do this for 20 seconds, and wash your hands thoroughly.
Eat fruits and vegetables. Try to elevate your zinc levels, not just your Vitamin C levels.
Animals do not spread the virus to people. This is person to person transmission.
Try to avoid getting the common flu because this already weakens your system. And try to avoid eating and drinking cold things.
If you feel any discomfort in your throat or a sore throat coming on attack it immediately using the above methods. The virus enters the system this way and remains for three or four days within the throat before it passes into the lungs.
Good luck to everyone. Take care of yourselves. And pass this information along if you wish.
I’ve heard a lot of the same thing from a lot of different sources, so it seems to be that this is now very credible advice for people to take to try to protect themselves.
Well, we already know about Vitamins, A, D3, C, K and about zinc (don’t forget the iodine for your thyroid)
Drink plenty of fluids is always suggested to help the body flush out poisons.
The thick mucus in the lungs was also mentioned
Feb. 18 2020: Covid-19 autopsy shows lungs full of mucus, different from SARS
(There was a long discussion of straight Guaifenesin NOT the DM formula in one of the threads)
On the temperature?
The jury is still out but “…temperatures can affect the virus directly. Some viruses might have a temperature range where they can survive for longer and this is partly dependent on their “envelope” — the outer layer that is made of lipids (which is why washing hands with soap is effective, because it disrupts the lipids)….”
https://www.taipeitimes.com/News/world/archives/2020/03/18/2003732920
Hot tea, soup and other hot beverages may ‘melt’ that outer layer of lipids.
Helpful hints just in case helps anyone else – but lookup what you want to do v. taking my word for it!
I didn’t order zinc supplements in time as many seem to now be out of stock. 🙁
To make do, I am making herbal tea infusions for all of us daily and have several tinctures brewing for a few weeks from now. I had plenty of horsetail on hand and then several other herbs with high mineral content.
We add straight powder kelp to our smoothies for iodine. (less expensive than an actual supplement) We use NOW brand and buy from amazon.
These are not standardized and not convenient but less expensive &/or what we had on hand/can get.
Booooooommmmmm
Oooohh. Timely.
I just sat down to write out the question of if anyone knows whether there are enough HCQs and Z-pacs around so that each of New York’s (for example) approx 15,000 cases have started a prescribed regimen of HCQ and Z.
That’s a good thing. New York’s numbers just doubled this morning – from 10,000 cases to 21,000. They now have more than half of all cases in the US.
Incidentally, does it strike anyone else as odd that New York has managed to do so many tests in just a couple of days to get to those numbers? Here where I am, they are still having problems getting tests and getting the tests they have checked in labs. But New York has somehow managed to get tens of thousands of tests. I realize NY is a very populous state, but so are California and Texas, and they have nowhere near these numbers.
New York and the NE in general have a very strong biomedical infrastructure, so I think they have likely worked very hard to get testing faster. Shorter distances mean shorter timeframes. In fact, Texas and the West coast are in some ways HAMPERED by that distance from the Northeast.
When I was looking for science jobs, almost ALL of them were in the Northeast. Still holds true, from what I hear.
ALSO NYC (Staten Island) is doing drive in testing.
A video is in this daily mail article
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8138413/US-coronavirus-Health-officials-say-testing-limited-utility.html#v-9222109547903993204
I imagine Cuomo is really sweating about now. The liberals have fostered ungovernable heathens not citizens for years and he is now sitting on that grenade and the pin has been pulled. President Trump having, very kindly, already handed the grenade BACK to him.
NY Gov. Cuomo Rejected Buying Recommended 16,000 Ventilators in 2015 for Pandemic, Established Death Panels and Lottery Instead
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/03/ny-gov-cuomo-rejected-buying-recommended-16000-ventilators-in-2015-for-pandemic-established-death-panels-and-lottery-instead/
Well, maybe we’ll luck out and find that the WuFlu is predisposed to attacking friends of libtrolls.
Well, since libtrolls generally live in big cities like NYC or San FranFeces….. 😉
Also Conservatives I think were more likely to be preppers and had starting prepping and social distancing in February…
Conservatives are more likely to just have a little more on hand anyone – even if not enough to qualify as a “prepper”. Also, bet they have and are buying more wisely. Not stocking up on expensive, short lived, less nutritious food but are instead buying nutrition dense “ingredients”. 2 lbs of sunflower seeds, 2 lbs of pumpkin seeds, dried fruit, rice, beans, meat, box of organic salad….goes a lot long way that the same $ spent on frozen ready made foods and snacks. Buying extra seeds for a larger garden this year for an additional $50 of our budget v. stocking up on $50 more groceries right now, for example of long term thinking and more common sense…that is part of how we came to be conservatives v. leftist thinking in the first place!
PS: Mountain Rose shut down completely for a while. Butterfly Express still open but running low on certain things. Renee’s Garden still shipping for now. Azure Standard (bulk beans + much else) still shipping and planning regional drop offs.
Grab my selection of seeds for this year back in Feb when this mess started blowing up. I figured we would be seeing the repercussions of our dependence on China no matter what happened in this country.
MAGA Mom, I like the freeze dried sliced mushrooms…used to get them from Honeyville but they evidently don’t offer them any more. I buy the #10 can size. Since you seem to have lots of resources, do you happen to have one for that?
I’ve tried just a word search but haven’t come up with anything other than small sizes.
My Doc did say its the younger ones who are freaking out….
US company – Mylan – to make hydroxychloroquine.
Ah! Another of my FAVORITE generic makers! Good deal!!!
😳
SEN. RAND PAUL JUST TESTED POSITIVE FOR THE WUHAN CORONAVIRUS.
Per 2PM Eastern news report, 700WLW Cincinnati
God help him.
With the discovery of the effectiveness of the HCQ/Z combo, and my assumption that it will be readily available, particularly to members of Congress, and the fact that he was asymptomatic, leads me to think he’ll probably have a fairly easy time of it.
bakocarl
Agreed with what you say, however: Sen. Paul may well be compromised in terms of his health because of the internal injuries he suffered from the BEATING that his “next-door neighbor” gave him a couple of years ago. IIRC, Sen. Paul had broken ribs and a collapsed lung.
oh no…!
I like Rand Paul….
Prayers up, Senator Paul.
So did opera star, Placido Domingo, who is in the dangerous age group.
How Zithromax (azithromycin) works….
Research article:
Eur Respir J. 2010 Sep;36(3):646-54. doi: 10.1183/09031936.00095809. Epub 2010 Feb 11.
Azithromycin induces anti-viral responses in bronchial epithelial cells.
Gielen V1, Johnston SL, Edwards MR.
Abstract here – https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20150207
At NLM – always look in right column for related research! :8-)
YUPPERS!
I have found a lot of good stuff in that right hand column. Have to be careful you do not get sucked into to reading all day. 😁
Per 700WLW Cincinnati 2PM news conference:
Dr. AMY ACTON just signed an order for SHELTER IN PLACE for the entire state of OHIO until at least April 3, at which point the order will be re-evaluated.
ONLY “essential” businesses may remain open during the Shelter in Place order. Employees of all other businesses must be accommodated to work at home.
Dr. Acton: “THE REST OF THE COUNTRY has to follow these types of orders as soon as possible. States cannot go piecemeal. Italy has given us the example.”
Guess I’m gonna head over to the U tree to curse like a sailor, but &*%$ Amy Acton and Governor Dewine!
Read a report that Rand Paul first Senator to test positive for CV…
michaelh
Confirmed that Sen. Paul tested positive per numerous reports including the Washington Times.
The question now is whether the entire Senate has been exposed.
Ditto with the two House members who tested positive: has the entire House been exposed.
Addendum to my ground report from the top of the thread:
On the way into town, I filled my tank at a gas station that also has an RV campground. The entire back of the convenience store was cordoned off, employees only.
The people working there told me that too many people (in many cases people camping there) were going in and coughing all over everything, so they were now wiping everything with bleach!
you beat me to it…
here’s another link for same…
https://kadn.com/breaking-gov-john-bel-edwards-issues-stay-at-home-order-for-louisiana/
VIRGINIA:
http://www.dailyprogress.com/
There are now 219 confirmed cases of the Wuhan coronavirus in the Commonwealth of Virginia.
The “DC Swamp Drive Area” (Arlington City; Alexandria City; Loudoun County; Fairfax County) have all increased cases, with a combined total of 77.
Other areas with large concentrations of infections: James City County at 32; Prince William County at 18; Virginia Beach at 17.
Gov. Northam issued a statement warning that the virus situation will stretch out for “months, not weeks”, and that Virginians need to “remain inside” and for hospitals to reschedule elective medical procedures to “free up” medical personnel.
The governor also stated that he is hoping he doesn’t have to impose further restrictions on the citizens of the Commonwealth. There are currently: restrictions on travel; curfews; and orders to work from home.
NORTH CAROLINA:
http://www.newsobserver.com/
There are now 255 confirmed cases of the Wuhan coronavirus in North Carolina today, up from 184 of yesterday.
WAKE COUNTY, with 49 cases, will announce today further restrictions to slow the spread of the virus.
DURHAM now has 40 cases.
FORSYTH COUNTY now has 12 cases.
FORT BRAGG now had 4 cases.
MECKLENBURG COUNTY (Charlotte) now has 77 cases.
North Carolina is now up to 322
and
Virgina has 221
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/
….
Thank you for the breakdown by country.
DURHAM & WAKE COUNTY, are Research Triangle Park very Techie, think Biogen.
MECKLENBURG COUNTY, Charlotte, is one of the top five fastest-growing large cities in the United States and the #1 fastest-growing TechTown in the U.S.
So it is the young jet set techie areas getting hit hard in NC
ANY MINUTE – WH TASK FORCE BRIEFING !!!!
Waiting on the team!!!
GST live stream link – https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCWXPkK02j6MHW-4xCJzgMuw
https://www.whitehouse.gov/live/
CV Task Force Briefing at 5PM
I wish they’d give me more warning! I know why they don’t, but dang it’s hard to work around this and keeps creating conflicts.
And once again, they’re running late.
That could be because they aren’t giving people enough warning intentionally and know they need to be late to give people time to tune in . . .
STILL very aggravating. Hurry up and wait.
Kids + Home + Shelter in Place = CHAOS.
It’s just as good warmed over. I had to watch it late one day. It was just as exciting!
They HAVE to give almost no notice, because they HAVE to make it hard for the MCM to get their own narrative in front of it.
They HAVE to be late:
* They need to give people time to get online and start streaming
* They HAVE to MAKE the MCM sit in anticipation that a briefing is about to start any moment – that “any moment” keeps them from being able to put on too many talking heads to pre-spin narrative, so they are limited to whatever idiot remarks Jake Tapper can improvise in the minutes before it starts
Very clever playing of the media.
But still very annoying to the rest of us who want the infos!
Make the Chinese and Russians lose sleep – in more ways than one! Heheheh
New sign at the local gas station:
“We will only accept cash from a wallet, pocket, or purse. We will not accept cash from an undergarment.”
How many people are storing cash in their underwear that they needed to make a sign?
Old women and their bras…I have seen it!
Hey, when I travel, and actually am wearing a bra on a daily basis, it becomes a safety deposit box. One credit card and some cash in there at all times.
obligatory
No, uh, details for you!
Ummmmmm who still trusts to the WHO???
The headline says it all: “WHO advises against lockdowns, says COVID-19 coronavirus may resurge later”
I trust the WHO completely.
I trust them to LIE.
The head is a fucking Chinese puppet. MARXIST. TERRORIST. Yeah, like I trust that guy.
Can the US have him removed? I think it’s time to DECHINATIZE wherever possible.
I was going to post this on the prior page comments but don’t want them to get missed.
On Rand Paul’s announcement about CoronaVirus.
We’ll have to see but my gut feeling on this is…
* Rand was targeted with CV.
* Rand hasn’t said anything publicly, but if he is acting in character with his normal libertarian principles, he has stood up against provisions in the CV relief bill that are bloating it and eroding civil liberties.
* If that is the case, there is a possibility – a possibility – that this was to remove him from the negotiations, and from the debate in the Senate…
* To get his libertarian civil rights and watchdog EYES and EARS, and his VOCAL OBJECTIONS out of the picture
* Possibly to remove his “no” vote from the Senate
* I have NOT seen Rand go talk to the public or reporters with his points about all the problems with this bill.
a. Behind closed door negotiations cannot be discussed publicly so he is fuming but not at liberty to discuss
b. Something else may be going on with Rand
c. Rand is too busy quarantining to manage to meet with reporters or make a recording
* Rand has diminished lung capacity thanks to the rabid leftist assault on him at his home
* Rand is at increased risk for CV as a result of the complication with his lungs
* Most importantly, DON’T TRUST CHINA – CHINA IS ASSHOE
This is very plausible.
I’m sure he was targeted.
wolfmoon1776
And I guaran-damn-tee you that others in DC are being targeted too.
Wasn’t there that (I think, Asian/Chinese) “reporter” who was turned away from a POTUS press conference a few days ago because she had a fever?
It was a he!
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/reporter-with-a-fever-barred-from-white-house-coronavirus-briefing/ar-BB11bYtV
OMG – now I know why Italy went so strongly on the quarantines, with military. That HUGE bunch of ChiComs living there – already known for very predatory behavior toward native Italians – they were probably chock full of intentional spreaders. Even that Pakistani who was a huge spreader may have been manipulated into breaking quarantine by ChiNazis. They’re sneaky as hell, and always try to put a non-Chinese face on their crimes.
“Sen. Rand Paul (Ky.) announced Sunday morning he had tested positive for the coronavirus and would self-quarantine. That led to two Republican colleagues he had interacted with, Utah Sens. Mitt Romney and Mike Lee, announcing they would also self-quarantine and miss the vote.”
If this was all a ploy to keep Romney out of the Senate and away from cameras for two weeks, then props to Rand Paul.
Perhaps that’s why POTUS is in favor for remote votes during this crisis…
Alright, it’s pissing me off that nobody is challenging this “Chinese cell phone cancellations = tens of millions dead from the WuFlu” narrative, so here we go:
Like everything else in the Chinese economy, these telecom companies were probably artificially inflating the numbers to look like they had more business than they actually did. The previous numbers were probably fake. Now that the Chinese economy is crashing, they probably can’t hide the fraud any longer and are forced to re-adjust to something more believable (but still not necessarily accurate).
Makes more sense to me than “ten million people died and nobody noticed except for the missing cell phone data that is somehow truthful when everything else coming out of China is fake.”
From I’ve observed, the cell phone narrative is coming from the Epoch Times and Jennifer Zeng (who claims she was persecuted in China for practicing Falun Gong). Now I like the Epoch Times and I think it’s truly terrible how China persecutes religion, but folks, we shouldn’t ignore that they have strong personal bias against China. This is how we end up with, “Does this mean tens of millions died from the coronavirus?” while ignoring the more obvious and important questions: “Were the original numbers accurate in the first place? Are these numbers accurate now?”
Funny how they aren’t asking that!
Look, I sympathize with these folks because I, too, have strong personal bias against China. However, we need to call out Fake News on our side, too. All I want is the truth.
Actually, I think it is just one more data point.
You have the fires seen from space.
You have the major rise of SO2 around Wuhan and other cities.
You have the suspicious numbers at
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries
And now you have a major drop in cell phone users.
ALL add up to China is LYING THEIR ASS OFF!
Actual numbers? I doubt even the CCP actually knows at this point.
Let’s do the math. 8 million lost cell phone customers between January and Febuary according to Jennifer Zeng.
1/1/20 – 2/29/20 = 60 days (including end date)
8,000,000 deaths / 60 days = 133,333 deaths per day (rounded)
Auschwitz was burning 2500 bodies a day on average.
At Auschwitz levels of output, it would take 3200 days or 8.7 YEARS to burn 8 million bodies.
If we’re generous and bump up the cremation output to 10x Auschwitz levels (25,000 bodies per day), it would take 320 days or 10 months, 14 days to burn 8 million bodies
Somehow we are asked to believe that not only are 133,333 people dying from the WuFlu every day in China, but somehow they have the logistics to dispose of this many dead in 60 days with not a single eyewitness account, leaked videos, leaked pictures, or anything beyond a map of sulfur and missing cell phone data.
Personally, I find it more plausible that 8 million Chinese lost their income during an economic shutdown and couldn’t pay their phone bills.
https://www.timeanddate.com/date/durationresult.html?m1=1&d1=1&y1=2020&m2=2&d2=29&y2=2020&ti=on
https://www.nationalcremation.com/ask-a-funeral-director/how-long-does-the-entire-cremation-process-take
https://science.howstuffworks.com/cremation1.htm
https://www.hdot.org/debunking-denial/ab4-civilian-ovens-comparison/
WOW looks like Word UNIMPRESSED is censoring
*https://www. world o meter s.info/corona virus/#countries
(remove spaces)
I just put up two comments and they got schiff holed but my Whine Stink comment did not.
Yes, Epoch Times could be being set up by the ChiComs. The folks at ET have to be REALLY careful.
OANN, too. The ChiComs are going to try to DISCREDIT because of Chanel Rion’s reporting. Be very careful.
In fact, the ChiComs may have helped Emerald Robinson “move on” – it’s hard to know, not knowing all the facts.
When Chicoms do this inside a company or organization, the VICTIM never knows it. Nobody knows. And they generally keep it off paper. So it’s very likely that they will try to discredit Chanel Rion. GET READY, OANN!!! Not kidding. ChiComs are always one step more evil than you think.
I suspect that Epoch is getting BAD TIPS or a TOXIC SOURCE.
Falun Gong is HEAVILY infiltrated with CCP assets. I’m sure they’ve got a couple of TIME BOMB FAKE JOURNOS inside Epoch Times.
It crossed my mind that the ChiComms want this narrative out there to make them pandemic seem bigger and scarier it actually is. If the goal is to wreck Western economies via panic, then it’s better for them to have people believing that the WuFlu killed ten million Chinese than “Chinese corporations committed business fraud.” They absolutely hate having their financial fraud exposed.
Great thinking!
Please tweet to proper people within OANN and Epoch Times…can’t hurt.
Great points, Sadie! I don’t trust anything coming out of China. We may never know what the real numbers are. But the same could definitely be true about cell phone numbers.
China — 81,054 cases, with 56 cases per million and 3,261 total deaths + 1,845 serious/critical
vs
Italy — 59,138 cases with 978 cases per million and 5,476 total deaths + 3,000 serious/critical
NOPE, Don’t believe China’s numbers AT ALL!
You can see the chart here:
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries
Morgantown, West Virginia Mylan Plant to Restart Production of Anti-Malaria Drug Hydroxychloroquine for Coronavirus Treatment
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/03/morgantown-west-virginia-mylan-plant-to-restart-production-of-anti-malaria-drug-hydroxychloroquine-for-coronavirus-treatment/
Yeah not made in China!!!
Has Gov. Cuomo converted, or does he know what side his bread is buttered on. This is the best leadership he’s given yet.
Trump implicitly helped him by saying “do more”, which of course a socialist would love to do. This strengthens Cuomo over Commie de Blasio, also good for everybody.
Interesting times…..
Y’all know the left wanted the pandemic to hit HARD (to make Trump look bad) and the country have to WAIT for a vaccine or targeted anti-virals that could be patented and make $ome of the elites a LOT OF MONEY!!
Continued…
SOOO….
1. They screamed when Trump shut down travel to/from China and Europe
2. They screeched about his every step, about tests, vaccines, everything.
3. They sneered and smeared the use of unpatented hydroxychloroquine and inexpensive azithromycin!
The Democrats and their media and their foreign and domestic donors are enemies of the State and of the American people!
Communism, including CHYYYNNAA, has trained the presstitutes well!
“Oppose Trump on everything except what we want, like getting rid of Corey Lewandowski and installing Paul Manafort.”
And now the Left is going for BROKE … making AMERICA go BROKE.
🤔 Pure coincidence that EIGHT Demo☭rat Governors
… SHUT DOWN their ENTIRE STATE ECONOMIES
… All at once.
Riiight.
The Press have had to vacate the front row of the briefing room to keep a healthy distance from the task force, President and VP!!!
i’d send them further away than that!
Like to China?
can we???
Yes and throw the hollywood people out as well!!!
!!!!!!!!!!!
Harvey Whinestink tested positive for Wuhan flu! Per Gold State news.
Seconded by 6PM news report on 700WLW.
It appears that dozens of prisoners at RIKER’S ISLAND are positive for the Wuhan coronavirus.
looks like they are now censoring data about the virus. I can not even post the link to the world-o-meters info site. even if I add spaces and a *
Local news is melting down over some church that held an in-person service today.
Michigan’s Democrat Governor Gretchen Whitmer has closed down most all public venues w/ gatherings of 50 people or more, iirc, but she stated before this weekend that churches (or perhaps houses of worship given MI’s exceedingly high Muslim population) can hold services at their discretion–she won’t enforce compliance for those venues…
It’s not going to stop the Fake News from attacking Christianity anytime they see an opportunity.
Sadly that’s likely very true…We had “home church” today with our family…& it was awesome!
church “today” means Sunday…it never really feels to me like it’s a new day until I’ve gotten a bit of sleep 🙂
Same here!
Woo Hoo! I enjoyed it immensely more than “regular” church, but them I’m quite the loner…
Wow https://www.theepochtimes.com/ccp-virus has a pretty good list.
Bing keeps using the death list for the USA… of course, they do.
Uping not using. Bad autocorrect!!
Watching the press briefing. VP Pence looks completely exhausted. I know he tested negative, but I hope he is well.
His eyes have got that burned out didn’t sleep last night look . . . a familiar look from my past.
Exactly.
Due to the people in the room. can’t watch. Anything new? Has the cast on the dais changed?
PDJT, VP, FEMA, CDC, Peter Navarro, Surgeon General are there – no Birx, no Fauci!
I wonder if their roles have been fulfilled.
They may be working on setting up the various COVID-19 studies, antiviral and vaccine studies, hydroxychloroquine, etc. studies.
My guess is the way things are moving, they may be “blessed and released” as we used to do with volunteers who served for long periods of time, and who really needed to retire from the task.
Birx is setting up the Testing Tracking, Reporting & Analysis.
… which is CRITICAL to UNLOCK the RETURN-to-WORK.
FauChiCom must be setting up his “studies”
… so he can report back in 18 months
… at which point Therapeutics will have long-before solved the problem.
With Miami-Dade and Palm Beach, LA and San Diego being CoV hot spots – it looks like hot weather is not going to end the spread.
It looks like the basic factor in bringing the disease to the USA is – ILLEGALS and SANCTUARY cities/states – These are all the hot spots.
These hot spots will NOT go away
… until they terminate Sanctuary Cities & States
… then deport the Illegals
… and create futures or asylums for the Homeless.
Meanwhile NYC may hit a 50% infection rate.
Sanctuary Businesses will MOVE or PERISH
Sanctuary Citizens will be IMPRISONED for months
… watching their employers flee for SURVIVAL
… realizing their working future is OVER
… unless they flee to Red States with the freedom that comes with ELBOW ROOM.
P.S. The Blue State EXODUS will
• Plummet housing values
• Create housing booms in Red States
• Shift Congressional Seats from Blue to Red States during this 2020 Census Year … and Wilburine will be damned sure the Citizen-Migrants get COUNTED and DEDUCTED
• Crush the Blue State Economies, bankrupting their Pension Funds and States themselves.
Every passing day the Demo☭rats block the Senate Relief Bill just MULTIPLIES the problems above.
38,000 fled NYC for Florida today alone on 190 flights.
Who the hell will want to go back?
I’m sure it will come up during questions.
Fauci was on Mark Levin tonight…probably pre-recorded but that could be the reason for his absence.
President Trump looks, talks and acts exhausted too!
He was leaning over the podium like he never has before.
I love how he has emphasized TRIBAL GOVTS.
The IDIOTIC LEFTIST NARRATIVE that the pandemic response either ignores or worse targets our great Native Americas is TOTALLY SHORT-CIRCUITED.
All I can think of when this war time demonstration of ramp up capability and innovation is over, we’re going to have an international fire sale of quality, American respirators, masks, and other essential medical supplies that last month the world didn’t know we could do.
I don’t like to stroke the “American Exceptionalism” thing (humility is a great virtue), but, yeah, we’ve still got it.
POTUS is turning this into a CASTING CALL & DRESS REHEARSAL
… to Repatriate our Factories & REINDUSTRIALIZE the USA.
“Never let a crisis got to waste.”
Turns out that can be a double edged sword.
9 out of 10 tested DO NOT have the virus. They’ll be caught up by the middle of the week.
Commercial labs are encouraged to prioritize in-patient tests.
Talking about the broken, obsolete system again. That never seems to get reported.
USS Mercy going to California.
Los Angeles.
Complimenting Cuomo.
USS Comfort was in maintenance, and will eventually go to NY.
“Romney’s in isolation? Gee that’s too bad.” – POTUS!!!
Romney’s in isolation? Gee, that’s too bad.
Ha! Great quote from the President.
We don’t nationalize our businesses.
Damn straight we don’t.
lol twinz!
A couple times, now, too.
Can you imagine if HRC was President?
Nationalize ALL THE THINGS!
UGH!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Can you imagine nationalizing the Jack Daniels distillery? Those would be her first targets.
Exactly. A national shortage and a lot of sloshed politicians.
“We’re a country based on not nationalizing our businesses. Call someone in Venezuela and ask them how that worked out” – POTUS
Interesting with these crises and long hours, you find out who wears contacts when they show up wearing their glasses.
Keeps using the war language, describes the enemy, targeting the virus…
I really think people are getting the point.
OK just putting this out there — Not sure if anyone else has. Not sure any is true….
But NO way in H3LL will anyone ever chip me.
https://youtu.be/1k9LE5az_iY
Not wanting to wish ill on anybody, but speaking for my “test lungs”, I’m really hoping Bill Gates gets accepted into Heaven RIGHT AWAY so we can introduce more modern bioethics here on Earth! “Cough.”
I am trying to be good Wolfie. It is hard…
Have to ask God to forgive me often, especially when I see some of the idiots wishing death on others like Melandia and Trump.
Question to POTUS: have you thought about calling your predecessors for help?
Oh, my.
He handled that well. Mentioned H1N1 and Katrina. Heh!
LOL WHAT A TRAP!!!
Let’s get Clinton, Bush, and Obama to help!!!
Oh yeah, and Jimmy!
4 Jokers.
4 horsemen of the apocalypse…
Better question would be “have any of the predecessors called to offer help?”
But that’s not putting the blame on President Trump so we know why they didn’t ask it.
I can’t despise these people any more than I do. My despise-o-meter is tapped out.
Sure they can help.
They can help themselves to the trough for more money, power, and public adulation.
And take attention from Trump while simultaneously undermining him and trash talking him.
I would have answered, “No point in asking Bill Clinton for help. He only has experience with STDs…”
Ba da boom!
IMO.
They think they are holding the country and POTUS hostage with the closed economy.
I think POTUS has turned that back on Congress and the Governors to get the legislation through and action on the ground.
That’s why he’s talking about getting through this fast, getting the stimulus, and getting the economy back on, pent up demand, and ramping everything back up fast, pushing/working hard to recover the lost economic time.
It’ll be like a sports car revving off the starting line.
Fully agree with this!
Also look at what Trump is doing vs the EU
https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2020/03/22/europe-in-crisis-nations-grapple-with-growing-coronavirus-pandemic/
One of us is going to be ok when all is said and done.
Someone needs to KICK Nasty Piglosi’s A$$!
What happened? Suddenly everyone is more pi$$ed than usual at Nancy.
https://twitter.com/USMarine_Vet/status/1241885516833992706?s=20
This is kind of a long video but it has really good info on what to expect during the Coronavirus recovery:
Pump up the volume
LOL Wow SO good to watch!!! Must see! 😉
CDC issuing guidance to be prepared in case someone in case a family member becomes ill
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/prepare/protect-home.html
Oh, good. It’s over just in time for dinner.
Enjoy! What are you having?
Sirloin.
Nice!
I’m doing chicken tonight! The last chicken in my freezer! LOL
I still have a whole 20 lb turkey in the freezer to cook. The other three are now slices for sandwiches, stir fries & salads plus soap.
Tonight is left over lasagna. Next up is beef stroganoff then back to stir fry. I have 2 and 1/2 bags of onions to get rid of. I may just cook them up and freeze them or freeze them raw.
soap = SOUP.
Chicken/turkey fat is useless when making soap.
We’re going to do the Turkey in a couple days I think.
Hopefully Lasagna is on the menu soon.
We used a lot of peppers and onions on the beef fajitas 😉
I was just thinking a light topic might be fun about quarantine foods we are preparing.
For us tonight…hubby made his famous meatballs that I cooked in air fryer in 9 minutes, then simmered in marinara sauce. Made potato gnocchis and ladled sauce over all.
I’m trying hard to use this period to empty out the freezers as much as possible…may have to get creative!
Never tried freezing onions before
You can buy them already frozen in the freezer case. I noticed when I was buying frozen veggies to stock for this self-quarantine and looking for more variety. Normally I use fresh.
Heck I often sautee mushrooms and onions and then freeze them to add to stuff later. (I got an entire case of loose mushrooms at the flea market that the lady I buy from saved for me.) raw green peppers freeze ok too. I still have a couple baggies full from the garden.
Oh nice. Food is good.
I have to hit up the store again…. 🙁
Had a neighbor drop by to make sure we had everything we need.
Gail I did our Turkey tonight! Homemade stuffing, mashed potatoes, homemade rolls, asparagus and yes Apple pie! Lots to be Thankful for!
MAN!!! The Press is annoying as all get out!!!
I would rather have 12 year old’s asking the questions! They would ask more sensible ones.
Twelve year olds would be a LOT better, and you know Trump would take a lot more time talking with them when they asked them! It would be a lot more pleasant to watch, and probably get a lot more information in the process.
Yeah, I deal with a lot of 12 year olds. They are old enough to be sensible and young enough NOT to have the teenage attitude.
Teenage bodies develop faster than their brains, that’s a big part of the problem.
Yes, but at a certain point, all seventh grade teachers – like my mom who did teach 7th, 8th and 9th grades – will tell you they aren’t human. There’s a reason why, as discovered by neurologists doing PET scans of brains in a really rather fascinating study about 30 years ago. At about that age, they lose a lot of material from the frontal lobes that gradually builds back in the next few years. Some fare better than others.
Who would have thought
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/03/17/10-coronavirus-cases-confirmed-by-u-n-among-refugee-arrivals-in-germany/
100% predictable
😉
Wow.
PLACIDO DOMINGO has tested positive for the Wuhan coronavirus. He’s in isolation at his home.
He also resigned on Friday from AGMA because their board found that the allegations of 10 women against him for sexual misconduct were credible.
http://www.msn.com/
Credit to NY Daily News
Only 10?
Deplorable Patriot
There were over 20 women who made allegations against Mr. Domingo, but it appears that the AGMA board went with 10 whose accusations were deemed credible upon investigation.
Ahh, okay. Because there were rumors about him for decades.
The FLORIDA KEYS …are now CLOSED TO TOURISTS …
as of this evening….
more, here…
article link…
https://www.nydailynews.com/coronavirus/ny-coronavirus-the-florida-keys-are-closed-to-tourists-20200323-f4vf5tvj3jf25dor3cfdudj36q-story.html
1,007 cases in Florida now …13 deaths…most recent death in Palm B….
article link…with county map..click on the county to see the stats..
https://www.clickorlando.com/news/local/2020/03/22/florida-related-coronavirus-cases-climb-to-830-13-deaths/
that’s a spike of almost 300 cases just since this morning.
Large numbers of increase…Yep, once it comes to an area there are a few with the first case, more from the secondary cases and it goes from there. Exponential growth. Extremely Contagious *Before* people know they are infected.
Florida has a higher % of the population that is in the older age groups who are at higher risk for complications and hospitalizations.
As it grows, so do the cases in the hospitals and then they reach capacity…disaster for the newer cases needing hospitalization to live through and for all others needing hospitalization for any reason – esp. if ICU is needed.
The Good news: Our medical system capacity is being augmented by the military is releasing literally tons of supplies, setting up field hospitals and companies are moving quickly, voluntarily, to produce more breathing machines/equipment and other medical supplies.
And More Good News, No – Great News: medical breakthroughs are happening as medical staff are figuring ways to use existing meds and creating effective treatment therapies…from existing medicines. HUGE! We aren’t waiting for months for new meds &/or vaccines!!!!
President Trump was right: by slowing the spread through the “stay at home” policies the case growth has been slow enough for the above things to happen so as we hit the same case load numbers over the next 4-10 weeks that we would have hit in a matter of several weeks had we not all stayed home and if we don’t continue to stay home we would not be looking at the above things happening in time to deal with the onslaught of hospitalizations.
ONLY because of the stay at home/shut down has growth been as slow as it has buying the fed gov time to act, supplies to be sent out and private industry to act + meds and treatments to be found to work.
We are witnessing a total disaster being averted in real time.
The numbers will cont. to grow. We will be assaulted by images of field hospitals, long lines, more deaths, tough times for the sick, medical staff and for all of us in the communities dealing the the shut down, shortages in the stores and messed up supply chains. We will All know someone who caught this by the time this is over. It will get worse before it gets better.
Why do I say all of that? So we are mentally and emotionally prepared and do Not falter – we know it is coming. It is logical and predicted 2-4 weeks ago, since the end of Feb/beginning of March so when it happens it is not surprised. We are braced and take this as expected and as matter of fact.
And yet there is MUCH good news – including the slowed down growth that bought the fed gov, the states, private industry, all of us, time to prepare. And the meds will be a HUGE game changer that could reverse the rate of complications, deaths and vastly shorten hospital stays. The use of existing meds was unpredicted and I Pray work out well and work out quickly!
MUCH HOPE and Encouragement is all I see as we all here have been informed on this since Jan and already knew to expect the bad news that is happening. The Good News is the actual new News to us so I am more encouraged now than I was in mid – late Feb.
We know what the coming months will bring so its less stressful to live through something we expect.
We are now expecting supply chains and grocery stores to remain messed up for some time to come so are now planning accordingly for that…enlarging our garden and modifying what we grow + buying some beans and rice in bulk. If we are pleasantly surprised by a quicker return to “normal” in the grocery store so much the better.
People were out at parks etc like crazy over the weekend, everywhere. Cuz stay at home means just not going to Disneyland?
Now, everything is being closed because of them. L.a. is just one area.
Los Angeles Mayor Eric Garcetti announced new measures Sunday to help fight the spread of the coronavirus in L.A.m, as well as speed up testing for high-risk residents.
While many SoCal residents have been adhering to stay at home orders and social distancing guidelines, like keeping six feet distance from other people, far too many are not, the mayor said.
“This weekend we saw too many images of too many people crowding beaches or canyons beyond their capacity. Too many people, too close together, too often,” Garcetti said. “The longer we do that, the more people will get sick, and the more people will die. There’s no way to sugarcoat that.”
Group sports and recreation at local parks, including golf courses, is banned under the expanded “Safer at Home” order, he said.
https://ktla.com/news/local-news/l-a-mayor-provides-update-on-covid-19-outbreak/
Gil, are you still able to do walks to the creek with kiddo?
If you are can he play in it?
If so you might consider BOATS.
If you are handy and have the tools you can make boats, research historical boats like dugout canoes, viking sailing ships (Hubby was a rower on one) and all the different types of sailing boats.
I did a term paper for freshman history class on sailing ships. Fun research.
Walking to the creek is possibke bc we live nesrby although its oart of city. Its fsirly muddy bc its been raining pretty well. There are steep banks but if it dries out a bit we can explore closer.
In the mean time you can work on you ‘boat’ to sail on the creek.
You can start with a ‘log’ raft using sticks and string:
https://www.wikihow.com/Build-a-Log-Raft
You can then progress to putting a sail on the raft…. 🤣
We can do that. I got a few crafts for break but a boat will be fun.
Our golf courses , pickle ball, tennis are still open…have to bring own water, towels, etc and every thing is wiped down when finished. There’s even rules about handling the flag stick, etc. golfers can choose to take individual carts. DH puts his bag on a cart and then walks the course, more for the exercise than the virus concerns.
He has a routine doctor appointment tomorrow morning…will be interesting to see how the office staff and doctor are dealing with it.
I have walked 4 times this week at my local course owned by the University and all the students are gone so rather quite. I did not get the memo that over 65 retirees should stay home.
I have my own pull cart and wear gloves on both hands and do not pull the flag. I wave at the manager and enjoy the fresh air and brisk walk. I did play with a retired CIA Agent who asked to join. Great conversation about history but no politics.
All hell is breaking loose at the Capitol tonight, as Nancy has tanked the Senate Bill.
Even Senators who were working on it, adding amendments, like Dick Durbin (who worked all weekend) are now voting against it.
And the Dems “narrative” is that Repubs are bailing out businesses and not the people.
Media is being HYPER-controlled by Dems to lay blame at Repubs feet.
Look at this one – even the NYTimes had to change their headlines.
I think the point was to shore up businesses who could then keep paying their employees and stay in business so the employees still had benefits and a job to go back to when this is over. Shoring up businesses and getting $ to the employees through the businesses would protect the economy now and in the future. Giving $ directly to people will bypass the businesses, further weakening them and therefore the economy and will make more people jobless for longer post this national emergency/semi-quarantine.
Dems are NOT thinking long term…or they do “get” it and are just hateful and hate the US economic strength. Want the US to fail and the Economy to bust.
So upset about this!!!!
And the leftist, big corp media is an enemy of the every day people and our economic success as a country. Grrrrrrr….!!!!!!!
Dems are following China’s playbook – INSTALL SOCIALISM – TURN TRUMP INTO FDR.
They actually changed it 3 times!! Musta got a call from Piglosi.
Something to think about: We have had a family discussion about “what if” … just in case one of us and then likely all of us are infected. We are making sure to have some ready meals so we/son will still eat healthfully even if we do not feel well.
1) We did some prep over the last 8 weeks: bought a few ready made soups, we canned meat/veggies and lots of homemade broth ready to go. Have some OTC meds, essential oils, herbal teas, on hand and ready – esp. some targeting the known symptoms + overall immune and symptoms (minus those that cause the “storms” – thank you to Gail Combs and Daughnworks247 and all other contributors who posted great info).
All that prep in case we are sick to get us through. And he already knows we are faithfully eating our ferments, drinking our teas and EOs to stay strong against getting sick or at least be in the best shape possible on the just in case we do get sick.
2) 2nd part of conversation tougher as we needed to talk about…what if one of us had a particularly bad case and developed complications?
We didn’t talk about it long, were fear mongering ourselves/our son or dwelling on the worst. However, we thought it wise to run over the scenarios, pick hospitals or at least hospital systems, explain to son who would go with him and that he could not visit if it was one of us + going over (briefly!) that the complications would be breathing and would include IV. We emphasized that even most complication cases in our age group (and certainly for him!) recovered and that the chances of recovery were improving every day due to new things being figured out.
Having run through it, 10 min. or less conversation, discussing how even if we do catch the virus, complications are unlikely and recovery is almost certain, even with complications, actually seemed to let the fear go about the virus itself. Plus, knowing what to expect just made it seem like there was a plan it would just be like an awful sickness v. a fearful, scary experience. Just something we may have to go through and here is the road map if we do.
And then we went back to the business of dealing with the “shut down”/semi-quarantine and dealing with that aspect of this situation.
and we are a praying family so that helps. but he was having stress and the stress seems to have greatly reduced when we just faced it and talked about. naturally, we refused to deal with the small chance of not recovering and all of the details that only we adults need to deal with as far as how the shut down will affect us. a child, even a teen, just doesn’t need the weight on him that we adults have.
This seem to work for us as a family and seemed to settle his worries. And it helped mine too. Don’t know what the future holds but having at least faced it and having a tentative plan helped us loose fear that was coming from the unknown and from thinking of the Virus as an automatic disaster and picturing only the small percentage of worse cases in the ICU. Got to guard against the worse cases being our only image of this virus – but that what the media will feed us!
anyway, this worked for us with our child. sharing in case it helps you all.
SO grateful children are at such low risk for complications much less death. Many children passing away would be Tough to take and being strong for my child…much tougher. I can only imagine how the moms faced the polio epidemic back in the day!
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