For the time being, given our national emergency, we are switching to DAILY COVID-19/China Virus threads instead of weekly threads. Your comments and updates are most welcome. PLEASE continue to post your valuable information, hard source links, and local observations within these Daily Threads. Additionally, we will try to include links to government and official pressers, so those who no longer have cable can remain informed.
Thank you Flep, for the transcript link to presser: Here is the transcript from yesterday’s press briefing: https://publicpool.kinja.com/subject-remarks-by-president-trump-vice-president-pen-1842617556
We’ll get through this crisis, together. As a group, there is probably no one better prepared than we are.
For our newcomers: The Q Tree community has been diligent in covering the threat of Coronavirus, COVID19, Wuhan FLU. We started accumulating information about this virus in mid-late January, in what became almost weekly threads. We’ve been weeks, if not months, ahead of MSM outlets to vet rumors and other medical papers, etc.
Primary Update Links:
- Links to the USA CoronaVirus Task Force: http://coronavirus.gov/
- Johns Hopkins CSSE Dashboard to update number of “official” cases within China and worldwide: https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6
- Another summary of data, updates and sources: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
- Hard Link to the World Health Organization: https://www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2019
- Hard Link to the Center for Disease Control: CDC Updates: https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/index.html
In our past weekly threads, we assembled information on the following:
- Primary update links. The dashboard from Johns Hopkins which counts “official” cases all over the world, the CDC, and WHO, and includes the links for our past threads.
- Hard Data Medical Information- Explanation about testing, reliance on China for drugs, analysis of NE Journal of Medicine results and other published papers.
- Vaccine and theraputics (new/old drugs to alleviate symptoms) news and updates
- Trump Administration response (the timeline and links to various agencies)
- China Responses, timelines, research, attempt to cover actions, or secrecy in results discovered.
- An aggregate of info/responses from other countries, listed by country.
- Economic impact from around the world. A change in economic activity will indicate a “return to normal”.
- Speculation/debunking on how the virus started
- Media Bias, political response, and debunking section, like the article from AP News, overt bias from Politico, inflammatory headlines, etc.
- Other medical info to boost immune system, herbal remedies, ways to keep your house clean and NOT spread the virus to others. Excellent information to incorporate into daily lifestyle.
- Hard links for OTHER valuable sources/blogs and a brief sentence or two about what they provide
- Other news items
Our weekly updates. timelines, collection of valuable information, can be found here:
- January 25th, Our first thread: https://wqth.wordpress.com/2020/01/25/20200125-coronavirus/
- January 27th, Our second thread: https://wqth.wordpress.com/2020/01/27/20200127-coronavirus-update-thread/
- February 1st-9th, Our third thread: https://wqth.wordpress.com/2020/02/01/20200201-coronavirus-update-thread-3/
- February 10th – 18th, Our Fourth Thread: https://wqth.wordpress.com/2020/02/10/20200210th-19th-coronavirus-thread/
- February 19-29th: Our Fifth Thread: https://wqth.wordpress.com/2020/02/18/20200218th-29th-coronavirus-update-thread/
- March 1-10th, Our Sixth Thread: https://wqth.wordpress.com/2020/03/01/2020-march1st-7th-coronavirus-covid19-xivirus-wuflu-6th-update-thread/
- March 9-16th, Our Seventh Thread: https://wqth.wordpress.com/2020/03/09/2020-march-9th-16th-coronavirus-covid19-xivirus-wuflu-7th-weekly-update-thread/
Please try to keep your sense of humor during this National Emergency, and remember, patience is a virtue.
Love to all!
Thanks for sharing your blueberry muffins!!!
You are so willing to pitch in for all of us!
DP sharing her muffins, eh?
It’s always prim and proper ones. 😏
Daughn, actually, is the muffin lady.
My bad. Its so easy to mix you two up sometimes.🙃🤓🤗
That’s meant as a compliment to bof yall, btw. 🙂
Special affinity for the guy on Drury Lane.
For the Muffin Man:
Resharing from the prior thread – so it didn’t get lost:
(again)
LIFELOG (“FaceBook” (sic)) group of the COVID-19 Survivor Corps
*https://www.facebook.com/groups/COVID19survivorcorps/
Public Group
DESCRIPTION
Over the next few weeks, hundreds of thousands of people across the U.S. will be stricken with COVID-19. The vast majority of them will survive and will have developed immunity to COVID-19. By mobilizing individuals and directing them to those in need, this effort could bring about lifesaving services and support to individuals and communities in need, keep essential businesses operating and help get people back to work, and foster a spirit of togetherness that is urgently needed to weather this crisis longer-term.
GROUP TYPE
General
About every third comment someone is saying they had it in December or January.
People posting a lot of their firsthand experiences.
Example: rash as an uncommon symptom of COVID-19.
Has not been shut down . . . yet . . .
It’s a good idea. I would exercise a little caution, though. I’m not sure how people can know they had it in December and January. I had something in December but have no idea whether it was mild COVID-19 or something else. It seems that we need antibody tests before assuming people are immune. Also, do we know that one is immune from newer, mutated strains if they have had a different strain?
On the first part, I agree. It’s rough to know without antibody testing. Can’t really be certain, without lasting shortness of breath, which is a pretty dead give-away.
I’m pretty confident now that I had it, b/c of (1) the shortness of breath, (2) the Iranian connection, and (3) Sylvia’s case presented almost exactly like mine, every step of the way, and she tested positive, and used the same treatments I used (vitamin C being important).
I will bet you had it, but w/o shortness of breath, you need testing for sure.
NOW – the good news on mutation. It is now believed that the strains don’t mutate as much as flu. Thus, it is believed that vaccines will be more like measles or chickenpox – they won’t need updating. ONE VACCINE will protect against all varieties of this bug.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8164235/US-coronavirus-Map-shows-eight-strains-raced-world.html
Very good news!
FWIW I’m interested in the feel of the public discussion, not so much the rigor of the data.
It’s designed to give CIA a way to control survivor discussion.
I will have no part of it.
I agree, no intent to participate. At the same time I do need to observe and understand what other people are seeing vis-a-vis FB filtering, since that is going to affect their understanding and response.
I’d like to see more research on this one.
https://twitter.com/LadyQanuck/status/1244840422318510084
Was the winter flu vaccine pre-designed to promote a Coronavirus epidemic?
A study published in the Journal ‘Vaccine’ on Jan 10th, it was found that US Military personnel who were given the flu vaccine had a 36% increased chance of contracting coronavirus
It wouldn’t really be a Plannedemic without a booster shot, would it?
You have a point.
And people think I’m nuts for refusing to get them.
Really? I don’t get them either. I stopped years ago after having gotten one and then getting the a bad flu 2 months later.
Me: “Wtf?”
Doc: “They only cover what’s predicted to be the most common flu of the season.”
Me: “So you’re saying you are gambling with my body like a Guinea pig, eh? Later, sawbones.”
I’ve never had a flu shot. It doesn’t matter if you get the shot or not, you’re going to catch stuff if you’re not careful, and if the people around you are not careful.
I’ve come to the conclusion that my best defense is to spend enough time in the sun during the summer to build up vitamin D stores, and get plenty of sleep along with a pretty strict diet.
My strategy has been washing hands, watching what I touch, wiping everything down, etc.
But you knew that already.
My posts from last fall and early winter seem prophetic in hindsight.
Yes.
“I’ve never had a flu shot.”
Me neither. I’ve had hospitalized relatives who were pressured to have a pneumonia vaccine, too.
My dad gets pneumonia shots, but then he had it a few years back. Something viral. Fortunately for my mom, it was parent-teacher conference day, so she really didn’t need to be at school, and left word she would be in touch with the parents she needed to see.
Same. Mom twice in the hospital with pneumonia and had long bouts with bronchitis. Always swore the vaccine was making things better. Had NEVER had bronchitis or pneumonia before.
Never had one either, have never had the flu. And I was a music teacher for 25 years. (mass quantities of kids 🙄)
Never had a flu shot either.
When Gunner was in pre-school 4yrs, our average pharmacy bill was $1,000/month. He brought home EVERYTHING.
From Kindergarten on, …. I’m trying to remember the last time he was sick. Maybe a couple of times when kids come home from spring break.
I was sick this winter with a cold, but it’s been at least a decade. With all the people in and out of our home, one would think I would catch anything. AND we hug people, LOT.
I never got them (had the flu once before getting any flu shot) until they would push them like crazy on us at work so I was getting them regularly for a few years, then I found out (we) the company I worked for was making lots of $$$ off of it. Kind of opened my eyes to the money aspect of it. Plus all the crap that’s in them made me think twice about them. Have felt great ever since.
If you read this carefully it says the WRONG ‘Flu shot’ MAKES THE CHINESE CORONA CRUD WORSE!
Evaluation of Antibody-Dependent Enhancement of SARS-CoV Infection in Rhesus Macaques Immunized with an Inactivated SARS-CoV Vaccine
You can look at this article on Dengue Fever for an explanation.
Antibody-Dependent Enhancement
We already know the problem with the Chinese Corona Crud is a cytokine storm!
March 16 2010 — LANCET: COVID-19: consider cytokine storm syndromes and immunosuppression
*https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)30628-0/fulltext
“Study of flu vaccine and its effect on incidence of viral respiratory illness.”
Vaccine. 2020 Jan 10;38(2):350-354. doi: 10.1016/j.vaccine.2019.10.005. Epub 2019 Oct 10.
Abstract
PURPOSE:
Receiving influenza vaccination may increase the risk of other respiratory viruses, a phenomenon known as virus interference. Test-negative study designs are often utilized to calculate influenza vaccine effectiveness. The virus interference phenomenon goes against the basic assumption of the test-negative vaccine effectiveness study that vaccination does not change the risk of infection with other respiratory illness, thus potentially biasing vaccine effectiveness results in the positive direction. This study aimed to investigate virus interference by comparing respiratory virus status among Department of Defense personnel based on their influenza vaccination status. Furthermore, individual respiratory viruses and their association with influenza vaccination were examined.
RESULTS:
We compared vaccination status of 2880 people with non-influenza respiratory viruses to 3240 people with pan-negative results. Comparing vaccinated to non-vaccinated patients, the adjusted odds ratio for non-flu viruses was 0.97 (95% confidence interval (CI): 0.86, 1.09; p = 0.60). Additionally, the vaccination status of 3349 cases of influenza were compared to three different control groups: all controls (N = 6120), non-influenza positive controls (N = 2880), and pan-negative controls (N = 3240). The adjusted ORs for the comparisons among the three control groups did not vary much (range: 0.46-0.51).
CONCLUSIONS:
Influenza vaccination and respiratory virus interference among Department of Defense personnel during the 2017-2018 influenza season.
Receipt of influenza vaccination was not associated with virus interference among our population. Examining virus interference by specific respiratory viruses showed mixed results. Vaccine derived virus interference was significantly associated with coronavirus and human metapneumovirus; however, significant protection with vaccination was associated not only with most influenza viruses, but also parainfluenza, RSV, and non-influenza virus coinfections.”
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/31607599
Wonder where the flu vaccine/s in this tests were developed and manufactured?
DP
“Was the winter flu vaccine pre-designed to promote a Coronavirus epidemic?”
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That has bothered me the moment the nurse told me “that the new flu was for 65 ad over and has a little extra protection in it.”
My instinct was alerted and I almost did not take the shot.
Something was not right with this new flu shot I can feel it . How does one explain instinctively knowing?
The China virus kills older people, older people who took the special flu shot?
Maybe I make to much of it.
Singing Soul. I’m with you re: when/why now skeptical. I will never get a flu shot again. Nor the Bilk Gates China vaccine – no matter WHO develops it.
There are papers (I posted above) that show the WRONG SARS-COV vaccine WILL make the Chinese Corona Crud DEADLY!
So no your feelling was not wrong.
I do not take the flu shots and never have. I am around 20 to 100 or more DIFFERENT Children every weekend and many are illegals (I think) Despite this I generally do not get sick. BUT I have never smoked and am a fanatic about taking vitamins. I also get a lot of sunshine = vit D.
I have four or five of the CDC listed co-morbidites.
Dispatches from the Front
I do want to point out, since some people are starting to notice Lt. Gen. Todd Semonite of USACE. I can tell you from ground reports that even though USACE is an incredible engineering organization and getting it done, that the organization is thick and infested with one of the worst viruses on the planet: Deep State Resistors.
Fortunately most of the employees are engineers, including a large force of civilian white collar engineers. Where the worst corruption is the management parts of the organization and the subversive military components. They love to hold things up in bidding with process and red tape, like they’ve been doing with the wall, and like they did in Puerto Rico. In the end, it will mostly be private industry that executes on the contracts.
If they align efforts in a common fight great things can be done. But the resistance elements can stall projects back for months or even longer when they are politically motivated to do it.
QUOTE:
“Beware of Lt. Gen. Todd Semonite. A review of his social media shows a strong political alignment with team “resistance“.”
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2020/03/30/lt-general-semonite-discusses-coronavirus-mitigation-effort/
I’m starting to see a lot of tweets like this. This guy claims to be in Cincinnati. My guess is the stay at home orders are having an effect on more than just the bug we’re trying to suppress. People are being more careful. The flu numbers have gone flat, etc. NYC is a different story, but the rest of us…. Oh, and the comments are interesting.
Wait…..I keep hearing we are still weeks away from the worst of it.
What am I missing?
Criticality! I called it!
Covid-19 boringly non-critical in most places, but horrifyingly critical in some. And we moderated it enough in the critical zones that people will start calling “Y2K” on the whole thing.
Full story:
https://wqth.wordpress.com/2020/03/17/chicom-19-as-a-4gw-bioweapon/
We should expect DIFFERENT EXTREMA (both dates and manners) all over the United States, as well as all over the world.
HQZ/AZM/Zn changed EVERYTHING. Seriously. The drug combo saved THOUSANDS and THOUSANDS – maybe millions by the time this is done.
You have no idea how much I hope this is true!
I think part of it is shutting down the virus production. Not only does the drug combo SAVE the one person you give it to, but it shuts down their virus factory in 24-48 hours, with continuous decrease during that time. It means they become far less likely to infect anybody else.
We have really underestimated the value of therapeutics in the most communicable diseases, because we’ve never had any that shut down viral production so well. An now we know why zinc REALLY WORKS against colds.
This hasn’t just been a victory for US – it’s been a victory for science. DESPITE FAKE NEWS, MADE IN CHINA.
God’s grace and mercy at work, my friend!
Amen!
And of course academic self-selection bias.
There’s little to no money (read: pharma grant money) in researching effectiveness of supplements or existing medication, ie. zinc. Interest peaks when there is a problem and money takes a back seat as a research driver.
That Giuliani interview with Dr Zelenko in Kiryas Joel (Orange County, NY) says it all. It’s 40 minutes and Rudy asks him everything – and he explains it in great detail. I’m sure that link has been posted here.
Yes, that interview is a treasure.
That was a great interview. Here it is again, just in case people haven’t seen it.
The Trump Protocol shuts it down to a dribble in three days and to just about nothing in FIVE!
Once someone is immune, you slow the spread. (This may already be happening because the infection started in December/January.)
I don’t know about the coronavirus surge, but I think hospitals are less busy because people are staying home and not taking the risks they would normally take. Maybe there are fewer auto accidents, knife fights, police shootouts, and the like. (Just a theory; I have not seen any stats.) And, as you point out, people are being more careful and are not getting illnesses like the flu.
This doesn’t affect patient numbers, but many hospitals are limiting visitors or disallowing them altogether. That cuts down on a lot of traffic and activity.
Yup. And I think this demonstrates the abuse of hospital emergency rooms, frankly. Throw out some “scare people away”, and only the REAL emergencies show up.
Definitely, Wolfman! As mentioned before, I had three visits to our local hospital since December to get steroid shots (only place I could get them….@$859 per visit!!) and it was quite an education to sit in the triage/waiting room. It really is almost social club for many…they bring their families, know everyone else waiting, and there’s very little, if any, angst as you might expect in an ER, etc. The “real” emergencies, via ambulance or doctor-ordered pre- admission are taken through another entrance so basically these are non-life threatening visits.
Abuse of the ER……most assuredly.
ERs are largely for people who don’t have a regular doctor, and thanks to the law that says you MUST be treated no matter what, many poorer people (not just illegals, but them too), show up when their kids come down with the sniffles.
Whatever happened to clinics?
My next door neighbor is an ER doc at our local hospital but also has 3 children under age 6. She requested minimal work days because of the possibility of infecting her children , but it really hasn’t been an issue because they haven’t gotten one Coronavirus patient yet.
My county is all clean no China virus. They say it is closer to Cleveland , Akron and Cincinnati.
Doctor center across the street from me is busy. Lows is open have not gone there because I hear people do not give 6 feet space.
Although March 29 had a low US fatality count, March 30 set a record of 573, and based on what I saw yesterday, that will be adjusted upwards. If it gets adjusted to 660 (quite possible, the numbers from the day before were increased by about a hundred) we’re back on the original projected path. Let’s hope not.
My second post from yesterday:
The site that Birx touted has been updated sometime this morning, so I’ll show what changed in [square brackets] also known as Q’s kill brackets.
for the 24th (Tue) 154 people are recorded to have died. [Unchanged]
for the 25th (Wed) the projection was 212 (195-228) [Now says 230 people DID die]
for the 26th (Thu) the projection was 273 (248-300) [Now says 266 people DID die]
for the 27th (Fri) the projection was 348 (310-392) [Now says 384 people DID die]
for the 28th (Sat) the projection was 437 (380-508) [Now says 429 people DID die]
for the 29th (Sun) the projection was 542 (461-648) [Now says 439 people DID die]
for the 30th (Mon) the projection was 660 (544-815) [The projection has been changed to 607 (557-659), which is good news!]
further dates which I did not capture last night, so I can’t see changes made since then.
for the 31st (Tue) projection 722 (644-804)
for the 1st (Wed) projection 846 (728-970)
for the 2nd (Thu) projection 981 (819-1155)
for the 3rd (Fri) projection 1121 (899-1355)
for the 4th (Sat) projection 1284 (975-1575)
for the 5th (Sun) projection 1412 (1048-1788)
The peak is expected to be on April 15: 2265 (1,212-3428). If the high end of the range is followed, the peak will be a couple of days later , if the low end is followed, the peak will be earlier.
WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE AS OF NOW:
The projections shown as of last night (the ones I originally posted) turned out to be pretty solid, with the actual numbers zig-zagging across the “most likely” line (which tells me they did a good job of prediction), EXCEPT for Sunday. However, I’ve seen the reported deaths for Sunday climb since last night; I think there is some lag in the reporting. It hasn’t changed in several hours (still 439, though worldmeters shows 363) so it’s probably good now.
We now have a number for the 30th which is inside (but on the lower half) of the projected range. Since the Sunday number got increased before noon yesterday, I expect the monday number to be increased as well.
rate of increase per day slowed. been fiddling with the numbers (yes, i think it is fun and interesting to number crunch) but can’t do tonight. went to 20% and then 17% and yestserday had to have been 15ish
mitigation is working and the percentage of increase is lowering significantly. good President Trump has taken strong measures re travel bans and shut down – working!
Curve flattening, yes! But it is still the case that things get worse before they get better.
True. I guess I post here assuming that we can all remember that multiple things can be true at one time and one thing is not the full picture.
We are seeing improvement and great news … but that doesn’t mean that it is over, that all crisis has been averted or that there never was a coming crisis. The good news is the projections are improving *Because* of the actions we are all taking + the outcomes of the surge are Hugely improving *because* of all of the prep that the shutdown time has given time to make happen. And the meds, the Trump Treatment … revolutionary on this issue.
Good News doesn’t mean there is no bad news. I guess I have accepted the reality of the situation and so improvements from there are all good news but don’t negate the existing reality, even if it is improved.
Been thinking/mulling that I post here more has a open source info share and brainstorming v. thinking in full picture or in terms of messaging. Never thought to post in terms of messaging or within the framework of an Overton Window.
Plan B for my life – public policy, specifically within the DOI. I thought Lasswell’s The Decision Process was a challenging & informative but fun read. Never thought to communicate or message here. And I never wanted to be in public communications or even elected politics. Never wanted to communicate directly with the public. Research, policy, etc., not communications or direct dealing with the public. Let me be the nerd researcher and someone else be the people person!
Been thinking about that as my posts were labeled “fear mongering” and “worst case” when they clearly weren’t.
They were realistic based on the conditions and just sharing why President Trump was doing what he was doing (as well as state/local govs and healthcare systems, etc.)
But my posts were the worst case being posted here and they were among the few focused on the projections as many others were discussing “today’s” numbers and how they didn’t match the actions being taken, etc.
(Plan A – housewife. So, when surrounded by laundry, dishes, another meal to cook, a child and husband forgetting to be appreciative at times…living my dream! 🙂 & grateful! …usually ha)
True. I guess I post here assuming that we can all remember that multiple things can be true at one time and one thing is not the full picture.
We are seeing improvement and great news … but that doesn’t mean that it is over, that all crisis has been averted or that there never was a coming crisis. The good news is the projections are improving *Because* of the actions we are all taking + the outcomes of the surge are Hugely improving *because* of all of the prep that the shutdown time has given time to make happen. And the meds, the Trump Treatment … revolutionary on this issue.
Good News doesn’t mean there is no bad news. I guess I have accepted the reality of the situation and so improvements from there are all good news but don’t negate the existing reality, even if it is improved.
Been thinking/mulling that I post here more has a open source info share and brainstorming v. thinking in full picture or in terms of messaging. Never thought to post in terms of messaging or within the framework of an Overton Window.
Plan B for my life – public policy, specifically within the DOI. I thought Lasswell’s The Decision Process was a challenging & informative but fun read. Never thought to communicate or message here. And I never wanted to be in public communications or even elected politics. Never wanted to communicate directly with the public. Research, policy, etc., not communications or direct dealing with the public. Let me be the nerd researcher and someone else be the people person!
Been thinking about that as my posts were labeled “fear mongering” and “worst case” when they clearly weren’t.
They were realistic based on the conditions and just sharing why President Trump was doing what he was doing (as well as state/local govs and healthcare systems, etc.)
But my posts were the worst case being posted here and they were among the few focused on the projections as many others were discussing “today’s” numbers and how they didn’t match the actions being taken, etc.
(Plan A – housewife. So, when surrounded by laundry, dishes, another meal to cook, a child and husband forgetting to be appreciative at times…living my dream! 🙂 & grateful! …usually ha)
I’d be interested on your take on what Prog Rex wrote, below.
At some point, one has to realize that no facts will change a person’s opinion and I do not post to debate (doesn’t mean I won’t) but to share info and to synergize. I don’t have a dog in the fight…just after truth, facts, reality. Think of this blog as crowdsourcing info and going deeper, better informed, broader on the issues…that is why I post and why I read.
Been interesting to learn more about people – who they function and how they react, what they need and what they prefer as their worldview and to handle what life brings us. Left brained/right brained, ok with unknowns/need unifying theory of explanation, assimilating different facts at once…emotional reaction to facts, differences in dealing with the unknown.
Yes, we speak up, offer countering facts, reports, points of view, correct misinformation, try to explain..but at some let them alone to deal with it how they need to deal with it. I have no wish to fight. Do that enough with Dems on social media! 🙂
A large part of what he had to say this time wasn’t about the future course of this, but rather how it’s affecting his (and many others’) lives and whether this is even constitutional. He does have a point, there. I do think a lot of petty tyrants in governors’ offices are pushing. (Whether or not this is Part Of Trump’s Plan isn’t really relevant for the constitutional issues). And I suspect at this point we COULD re-open everything but the hot spots, while still urging people to do social distancing.
also answered some below as the stats/understanding of the curve are off too
Fed v. State Gov….President Trump is working very hard to make sure that most of the “orders” are coming from state/county/city gov v. fed gov.
This is actually strengthening state/county/city gov v. strengthening fed gov which is what the Dems and any GOPe POTUS would be doing. I am actually delighted with how few “orders” have come from fed gov. Guidelines & recommendations, yes, and based on those most local gov’s, business and organizations are basing their decisions…but that is still not fed gov “orders”.
Constitutional issues re state/county/city gov are much different.
My opinion – but not interesting in getting into the weeds on this one. will let others work that out.
The only problem I have with these numbers, is that it is MASSIVELY skewed by ONE location (NY city and surrounding)
We are shutting down the ENTIRE country based on ORIGINAL projections from a guy that has ALREADT had to revise DOWN his doom by FIFTY TIMES. NY, is an OUTLIER.
While it is BAD there, and there should RIGHTLY be precautions, quarantines, etc. There simply is NO reason to believe the original projections on 99.99% of the rest of the country. Fauchi, is the one at FAULT in this, he and Birx have convinced Trump the original numbers are true, and are using (conveniently) the outlier to prove the point.
There is simply NO WAY that Italy, and china, who were “supposedly” 2 weeks, and a month ahead of us in the “curve” can be OVER their hum, but WE must wait an ADDIONAL 2 weeks, when WE outside NY, have NOT seen the numbers anywhere CLOSE to the “predicted”
Look, I understand CAUTION, I get it. But HERE is my problem.
MANY MORE people will have their lives DESTROYED by the total shutdown, than EVER will this virus. There was simply NO reason to do as we did. we went FULL tilt from the jump. We SHOULD have rightly quarantined the SICK and the ELDERLY, those MOST affected. and THEN adjusted UP as and IF necessary.
We did NOT, we gave POWER to little Napoleons, who are DAILY taking MORE freedoms. Mins just yesterday THREATENED JAIL TIME for ANYONE that traveled out of state, no matter WHERE, and THEN a MANDATORY quarantine upon RETURN, weather symptomatic or NOT.
I asked just HOW this little dictator was going to do it, and guess…via CELL PHONE ping.
Gee, how VERY Nazi of them. I guess the Gestapo will need to see my “papers” and will be checking them with the SS.
Do NOT laugh, do NOT downplay that, or think it is an overreaction. This USED to be a Constitution Republic. for 240 plus years. We USED to have rights as Americans. Those included, life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. There were ALSO protections AGAINST illegal searches, seizures, and those include UNLAWFUL sequester. That means we as Americans, have the RIGHT to be stupid, reckless, and even risk sickness and even DEATH, so long as it is NOT unlawful.
And THERE my friend is the RUB. What they are doing IS unlawful, and they are using a “health crisis” as the vehicle to do MORE and MORE. There is a VERY good f’n reason Trump issued GUIDELINES, and NOT LAWS. Because to try and do a LAW that limited freedoms, even IF reckless, stupid, or even immoral to OURSELVES, is UN CONSTITUTIONAL, and they DAMN WELL know it.
The PROBLEM they have created, in the name of “public health” is that they SHREEDED individuals rights and FREEDOM. They COULD do this IF one was SICK. BUT, if people are NOT sick, they have NO right to do what they are doing, and it is BLATANTLY unconstitutional. We have a RIGHT to assume our OWN risk, and they, by LAW, cannot stop it.
At least, not till NOW. They are TESTING each and EVERY one of us to SEE what we will WILLINGLY give up. They are talking out their ASSES, and using phrases like “we don’t want to HAVE to do X if you don’t COMPLY” And things like ” do it for the MOST vulnerable, and as you patriotic DUTY. My ASS.
They are doing this to SEE how FAR they can get BEFORE we the people say WAIT, what the actual FUCK, and PUSHBACK…HARD.
They ALREADY tried to outlaw gun sales, and THAT was a bridge too far, they were SUED, and relented.
My, point is this. They ALREADY should have been SUED to stop the ILLEGAL shuttering of PRIVATE businesses, not Government, NOT public, PRIVATE. Yet we sat there, and we SIT here, fiddling, while MANY more peoples lives will be FOREVER ruined, and NEVER get back what they lost.
The stimulus was not a stop gap, it was a BRIBE. A we are sorry we f’d you, take this piddly $3000, and this loan, and boom, everything is hunky dory. NO. It isn’t.
$3000 will pay exactly TWO of my employees for ONE check. They do not WANT unemployment, and that hassle, they want to WORK, as do I. I invest a great deal of MONEY and more importantly TIME and SWEAT equity in building my business, and our little Napoleon, with the stroke of a pen, SHUT IT. Did my UTILITIES stop? NO, did my RENT stop? NO, did MY CREDITORS stop? NO. Did my INSURANCE stop? NO. ALL these things CONTINUE, and GROW, while the till is closed. a LOAN is a BANDAID. It will NOT bring back the clientele, and it will NOT stop the bill collecting of my business NOR my personal life.
Unless you own a POS (point of service) business, I own TWO, and BOTH are shut, you have NO idea the DAMAGE done. I will most likely have to SHUTTER one of the 2 PERMANENTLY, all for a PROJECTION, and MY OWN ASSSUMED risk, that the Government thinks I am too stupid to assume.
IF they want to impress me, let THEM go from x amount to ZERO per day week, and month. I bet THEN this would end so fast it would make your head spin. This INCLUDES Trump. I have been his BIGGEST proponent, and fan, but he was SNOWED, and went AGAINST his gut, which was to open by Easter. He is listening to Fauchi, who ADMITTEDLY, is NOT using FACTS on the ground, but based his recommendations on the Imperial college projections.
Now, I will END my rant on these points. WHO is going to PAY for all the damage done, PERMANENT damage? Do they THINK that they can NANNY state this away? Say, sorry, but we were being cautious for YOUR own good. They DON’T get to decide what is OUR own good, WE do, or DID in America. What happens NEXT time? Do they THINK they can do this EVERY time a new and unknow virus kills people? We will NEVER be allowed out again, we CANNOT live in FEAR., that is NOT living, and it sure is HELL is not the American way. We did not ASK for them to do this, they simply DID it. and they went FULL tilt from the start.
Told me ALL I needed to know. This is a TEST, and the dem and MSM reactions, political plays, and attacks PROVE IT. We are FAILING it. They WILL do this again my friends. They WILL keep you in FEAR, CONSTANT FEAR, to get what they want. Don’t believe me? WAIT FOR IT.
Trump may not abuse this process, I really think he was and IS mislead. But WHAT happens when HE is GONE? They have their precedent, we are SCREWED.
The ONLY question is WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO ABOUT THIS\, now and in the FUTURE, and I do NOT mean the virus. Viruses com, and viruses GO, they happen ALL the time, and people get sick, and yes sometimes they DIE. But we cannot let them open the Pandora’s box they have cracked open, it will NEVER end. Go ahead, KID yourself, call me a kook, but watch, I see the premise, I see the GLEE and the LUST that these Governors, MSM, and health officials have, they are POWER DRUNK, and if you watch you to will SEE IT.
How do we put the toothpaste BACK in the tube. THAT is what ALL of us should be MORE worried about than this virus. There is MORE to life than FEAR. Fear of death is WOSE than death itself. We as Americans have NEVER been afraid like they made us NOW. NEVER, not in 1776, not in 1789, not in 1918, not in 1934-44. Why are we NOW?
Prospective time. More Americans die EACH day from automobile accidents, do we OUTLAW cars? More Americans DIED in 2 HOURS on Sept 11 2001 than now. More Americans die from smoking, heart diseases, and slips trips and falls. Do we OUTLAW liquor? do we OUTLAW tobacco? Do we OUTLAW fatty foods? Do we OUTLAW clumsiness? WHERE does it end.
Think of this. They accomplished MORE in destroying the Constitution and America in THREE weeks than Hitler did in WW2, MORE than the USSR did in fifty years of cold war, and MORE than Barack Obama did in 8 years of tyranny.
You all go on living in FEAR, keep letting them take and take, more of your freedoms. Keep watching their fear tote board, looking at projections, and watching the fearmongers FEAR PORN you 24/7. I am going to REOPEN my businesses the day after Easter. People can come or not, and they can TRY and arrest me, take my license or whatever else. They can lock me down, but I am NOT going to let fear dictate me anymore. I will be cautious and take precautions, and if it is God’s will I get it and die, then that was his WILL. But I am NOT going to go down in FEAR, lose everything I worked for so hard, and SACRIFICED so much for, because of FEAR. I am going to LIVE my life, and I am going to live as an AMEROICAN, bold and UNAFRAID. IF they arrest me, I will fight them, I will SUE their ASSES of, someone has to. If I lose, at least I TRIED.
Rex, you are right. But you already knew you are right. Let’s hope that your message is as virulent and contagious as that stupid commie virus.
Thank you for that. Sorry about the rant, VERY frustrated. Common sense has LEFT the building in this, along with our freedoms. I HOPE they come back.
Agree 100%…
Send this to the White House….hopefully someone will read it and pass it along.
I wish, SOMEONE needs to shale this country awake
It’s true the Founding Fathers didn’t put plague exceptions into the Bill of Rights.
I wasn’t there to talk to them about it but I suspect if I were to hop into a time machine, go back, and ask, they would say it was a state level issue. And back in the 1780s and 1790s very little of the Constitution constrained the states; some powers were taken from the states and assigned to the Federal government, but absolutely NOTHING else was forbidden to the states.
Some states continued to have established churches well into the 1800s in spite of the first amendment, because the Bill of Rights wasn’t considered as applying to the states at all. The fourteenth amendment and some supreme court rulings changed that; over time more and more of the BOR has been applied to the states.
The states were considered to have something called the “police power” to maintain order, mandate cleanliness, protect the public health, etc. so epidemic responses were up to them.
And still are.
So the founding fathers would look at what your tyrant, and my tyrant, are doing and said, “Not a federal issue.”
I wouldn’t be surprised if there isn’t some sort of push for a constitutional amendment to deal with it, and I would be even less surprised if some of the proposed solutions don’t turn out to be horrors.
Any GOOD solution, however, would have to contemplate the possibility of a truly BAD disease like Ebola getting in and running rampant unless we do everything we have done today, and more.
But Steve, as I said, I have NO problem with quarantining the SICK, all legal, in the interest of public health and safety.
They are doing this to the HEALTHY, and UN SICK in the name of “protecting the elderly. NOT their job to ASSUME my risk, or “protect ME from MYSELF.
That is some SERIOUS Nazi, and communist nanny state shit, ESPECIALLY the tracking, and threatening of CITIZENS who are HEALTHY from doing ANYTHING.
IMHO, they would and WILL face serious LEGAL repercussions for this. It is ILLEGAl, and the use of the work “guidelines” is the TELL.
I come from a background of government “weasel words” There is a HUGE distinction between “should” and MUST., between SHALL and COULD. Between CAN and CANNOT.
Rush speculated today, coincidentally, HOW this ENDS. What does the END look like, and HOW does it START. No, I did NOT talk to him, and I am NOT related or him LOL.
I think I finally HAVE the answer. ONE of two things WILL end this. ONE is easy, the other is HARD.
One, the numbers DRAMATICALLY improve, BEFORE even EASTER, and the MSM cannot keep up the farce. Trump reevaluates, he CAN do that based on FACTS ya know, and goes BACK to his original, and IMHO, CORRECT timeline, tells Fauchi ETAL to POUND SAND, and declares us OPEN with precautions for the sick and elderly ESPECIALLY. Rolling openings, WITH redeployments and assessments to “hot spots” as it SHOULD have been in the FIRST place.
This is the EASY and “amicable way, everyone is happy accept the Cabal and the MSM. Things get back to normal fairly quickly, and the stimulus bridges the gap and people and the economy RECOVER.
The 2nd way is MUCH harder. A big company, or a GROUP of companies get together and SUE and MAKE the Govs and Feds RELENT due to the unconstitutional ness of it all. Court cases, legal battles, and time. People are PISSED OFF, and the COURTS reign in the madness, NOT the preferred or MY preferred methods.
There IS one more option, and it is something I and others ARE considering.
a LARGE group of people and businesses, finally say F this, and reopen ANYWAY, but WITH precautions. MANY will, and once the flood gates open, there will be NO stopping it, IF the Feds, of local Govs etc TRY and stop it, they will be ENJOINED and bogged down for MONTHS in thousands of individual court battles, there would be NO one stop order, because EACH circumstance COULD and WOULD be different. The GOvt’s DO NOT have the time, people, or resources to fight this, and WOULD begrudgingly RELENT, they would HAVE to as in option one, the cases dropping which WILL happen would have started by the time the govt cases were heard, making the cases MOOT. As in Option 2, the COSTS to the govt from the THOUSANDS of lawsuits, BIG and SMALL will OVERWHELM the system. This is the LEAST preferred option. This is the one with the MOST animosity and PAIN.
I FEAR option three, as MANY feel like I do that the Govs will NOT give up their new found POWER easily or in a hurry. They will be FORCED to yield. Civil disobedience.
Remember there is NO law I have found where they can FORCE a healthy American, that is in otherwise legal compliance, to give up their FREEDOM. That is the stuff of the 4th and 5th and 6th Amendments. They WOULD lose, but it would involve PAIN, money, and ANIMOSITY. The Cabal would LOVE that.
The OTHER thing Rush mentioned, is WHAT does this bode for the FUTURE. Well it AIN’T good. Once they get a TASTE of power, they WANT more.
This WILL be tried over and over, and each time there will be a NEW catch phrase “for the elderly”, “for the children” ETC. See, THIS is Pandora’s box. It will NEVER end unless WE THE PEOPLE push back. They will KEEP pushing, finding ANY reason for MORE TIME and MORE freedoms lost, The LONGER this is considered the new norm, the WORSE it is for US.
It IS unsustainable past 1 MONTH, and Trump’s GUT told him so at first, but the fearmongers convinced him for MORE time, they WILL try it again, and AGAIN.
Time to give us ALL the date, and PREPARE for the precautions AT that date, instead of pushing it back and MOVING the GOALPOSTS. TIme to put it in ORDER.
ONLY Trump can STOP it, before we get to options 1-3. I believe he WILL reassess, and end it. He KNOWS, and he KNEW instinctively, he is giving it another week IMHO, to SEE if his GUT or Fauchi is right. It IS his GUT.
Atta boy Rex, that’s the American spirit. You put to words exactly my feelings. I’d rather get this virus than give up my freedom. Give Me Liberty or Give Me Death!
Thank you, what I was saying, either way, as an American, it is MY choice, and not the Govt’s to decide what is “best for me” That IS how Socialism starts!
You posted: “NY, is an OUTLIER.”
It is not an outlier – it is just an early performer.
NY #s will be larger than other locations merely by the fact that it is literally larger than other metro areas. But they also have more hospital beds, staff, etc., to handle this emergency.
They may have a larger % because of their Foolish actions. But they are not an “outlier” – they just got hit early.
Other areas will go through the same thing in time. Hopefully, less % if locals will cooperate and observe the recommendations.
this is an attack and we must figure out by whom/how/why….but it is a REAL attack and a Real virus and a Real epidemic. This is a real battle with a real enemy and we are fighting it…some of us by staying home to not catch and then not spread this virus.
Also, the “hump” will be different for different locations.
Lastly – the peak of cases and then the tapering off is only *BECAUSE* of the shut down.
Italy and China are were in lock down AFTER the peak and as it slowed….if we open up as soon as we peak…we will only spread it more and it will not be the peak. You are basing this on not understanding the graphs.
The only reason that the peak is the peak is because of the actions that are taking to mitigate…Italy is still on lock down.
NYC is an outlier in that they have handled this miserably – esp. in the beginning.
But if we stop doing the recommendations and shut down then the rest of the country will be as bad as NYC.
NYC is worse than it had to be and hitting faster/harder because they failed to Trust Trump
Sigh, I apologize in advance for the snark, but, you REALLY are invested in this farce aren’t you? EVERY time someone comes on with GOOD news, or news CONTRARY to the farce we are ALL being fed, you are “johnny on the spot” to trample on ANY optimism. Still using the FALSE projections. STILOL believing this is going to be 10 x WORSE than the seasonal flu, and STILL not seeing the POLITICAL design behind it ALL.
I will soon be posting a series of questions, questions that NO ONE has or WILL ask the President or his team of merry doom sayers
NY IS an outlier. Look at metro LA, with ALL the homeless. They too have a LARGE Chinese population, they too have MAJOR airports and ports, and were a MAJOR port of entry from China.
Yet they have NOWHERE NEAR the numbers NY has. They TOO were lax and careless. They too have a high number of cases, BUT, NOT near NY numbers.
What about San Francisco? San Diego? Seattle? Dallas? New Orleans? Cleveland? Miami? Tampa? ALL less than NY.
Now you will probably say, that is due to NY being ahead in the “curve” I a, SICK of the “curve shit. FACT: NO ONE knows WHEN, WHERE, HOW MANY, or WHO started this here. NO ONE. and they NEVER will UNLESS they test ALL 350 million people. NOT gonna happen.
We are ALL being MANIPULATED by projections of what “MIGHT” happen, not what IS happening. They KEEP comparing this to 1918, this is NOT EVEN CLOSE to 2009 yet, let alone 1918.
We are NOW by their own best GUESS at LEAST 3 months into this (more, and WAY earlier is STILL my bet) and yet we are NO WHERE near their OWN projections, so much so that the AUTHOR of this bogus Imperial College, a mere WEEK after the UK went on lockdown, and 2-3 weeks HERE he ALREADY lowered his BOGUS projection by FIFTY times, not 50% 50X.
Anyone that did that and put their name to something that was, in LESS than a month PROVEN to be 50x off, would be FIRED, ridiculed, questioned, and ostracized. Example, let Trump do thart. Let him “miss” and revise by a factor of FIFTY. What would happen?
Answer the MSM would (rightly) criticize, and question EVERYTHING he had to say, from THEN on, AND they would DISECT his original projection like boning a fish.
Yet, ONLY a FEW of us skeptics, DARE question the narrative, and when we do we are met with immediate pushback from people like you.
If you REALLY believe what they are shoveling, I feel sorry for you.
Ask yourself this, and then SEE why.
Have we EVER done anything like this before?
Have we faced JUST as bad as this and WORSE before?
WHY are we, without knowing the where, when, and who part of this, sequestering the HEALTHY. Not the SICK, not the most vulnerable, the elderly, the HEALTHY?
To protect the most vulnerable the elderly and those with underlying health conditions was their FIRST explanation.
People RIGHTLY, FINALLY, started asking MY question, why don’t we JUST quarantine the SICK, and the ones at risk? WHY do EVERYONE?
They had NO answer, so guess what, and you probably MISSED IT, because it WAS so subtle, they CHANGED the criteria.
It went frm to protect the most vulnerable among us, and PATRIOTIC duty, to SAVING the hospitals, they were ALL going to be SO overwhelmed. Hell, they EVEN have changed THAT slightly, to we don’t have enough BEDS or ventilators or protective gear.
Each time, Trump PROVIDED them with MORE, the TRUTH comes out, SLOWLY (Mark Twain said “a LIE could travel half way around the world before the TRUTH could put its shoes on” HOW TRUE)
Each time they KEEP moving the GOALPOSTS. They WILL TRY and KEEP moving them, based on the SAME FLAWED DATA, that will NEVER meet projections. N E V E R.
Keep on believing in them, they will COUNT on people to, and to NOT question or pushback. The pushback IS coming, and if you read my post yesterday you will see that there are FAR more people like me than there are who believe their LIE, and it IS a LIE. The TRUTH never NEEDS revised, it is simply the TRUTH, a LIE needs to EVOLVE to make it SEEM true.
Is their narrative evolving? YEP, that makes their narrative a LIE. not a revision, not an update, NOT facts on the ground have changed and IF we didn’t do this THEN, a simple LIE, a BIG ONE.
IF ifs and butts, were candy and nuts, we all would have a merry Christmas.
Who here will BET me that in TWO weeks or less, they WILL not say they were wrong, and in 2 weeks we will be peaked (which they said YESTERDAY) but that what we are doing is working, and we are ALMOST there, but we need JUST another 2 weeks to a month MORE. Wanna BET?
Then they will want MORE. and MORE, until even those that have bought the lie, FINALLY see the TRUTH, and put their shoes on. But you know what, by THEN it will be too late, the country, and the Constitution will have been sufficiently DESTROYED. So much so that this WILL be the new norm. Socialism is HERE. and we NEVER saw it coming. They did not use the barrel of a gun, they used an invisible enemy, and PROPAGANDA.
I NEVER thought people HERE could be THAT stupid as to WILLINGLY give up over fear of what MIGHT happen. We ALREADY played that game from 1948-1991, it was called the cold war and the nuclear threat. We WON that one because we stood FIRM, not COWERED.
You can go on debating every “lie” they tell you, defending their projection ( IE A GUESS, and not even a GOOD one) I will no longer debate over it, it IS settled, they LIED, of THAT I and MANY others like me have ZERO doubt.
The ONLY real questions left are these, HOW do we end this?, When do we end this? WHO is responsible FOR the lie? and WHAT are we prepared to DO ABOUT IT and them FOR their lie?
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Steve,
Depending on the time it takes from initial infection ====> death we may not see the results of the ‘stay home’ order for a few more days.
After doing a bit of searching I found this info.:
COVID-19 symptoms don’t surface for 5 to 12 days, study says
Then “Severe cases tend to worsen about five to 10 days after symptoms start….
Day 10: If patients have worsening symptoms, this is the time in the disease’s progression when they’re likely to be admitted to the ICU….
…average hospital stay for Wenzhou patients was 27 days.”
*https://www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-covid19-day-by-day-symptoms-patients-2020-2?op=1
SO that looks like over 15 days from initial infection ====> ICU. So death would be over two weeks after the person becomes infected.
……
You also have the problem of people looking at the cases in their state/county and saying no infection here so I have nothing to worry about.
This is from my state of North Carolina:
From:
*https://www.newsobserver.com/
March 4 – 1
March 6 – 2
March 10 – 7
March 13 – 16
Later on March 13 – 24
(Newspaper quit publishing info)
March 26 — 711
….
For comparison (If you chose to believe the Commies)
……..CHINA
Date:……# of Cases
1/17…………..62
1/18…………..121
1/19…………..198
1/20…………..291
1/21…………..440
1/22…………..571
1/23…………..830
1/24…………..1,287
1/25…………..1,975
1/26…………..2,744
1/27…………..4515
1/28…………..5974
1/29…………..7711
1/30…………..9692
1/31…..……..11791
2/1…….……..14380
2/2…….……..17205
2/3…….……..20438
2/4…….……..24324
2/5…….……..28018
2/6…….……..31161
2/7…….……..34546
2/8…….……..37198
2/9…….……..40171
I’m not sure if you’re trying to disagree with anything I’ve posted, or not?
I’m going to re-post something I replied to DP about, in case anyone else finds this helpful…Blessings!
Here is the original post, in case you want to see that conversation organically
https://wqth.wordpress.com/2020/03/30/20200330-coronacrisis-china-virus-daily-thread/comment-page-1/#comment-447328
Valerie Curren
March 31, 2020 at 00:33
Well, looking at the updated map you shared & the election 2016 maps I shared below there is a decent amount of overlap with Democratic voting counties &/or higher population density counties with the disease spread, but it’s not entirely consistent. Here’s my rough analysis of what I see…
Looking at CA for 2016 almost all the Pacific coastal counties were Dem but much less so for the disease spread. In fact the heaviest disease per capita in CA borders NV, is that near Lake Tahoe?
Looking at TX for 2016 there is strong Dem presence along the Mexico bordering counties but that’s not at all the case for the disease spread. This probably means that there is almost no CV coming into TX from Mexico I would guess.
Looking at DC for the election map there is a large Dem leaning population (which obviously goes without saying) but on the disease map there’s not even a blip of disease there which is pretty intriguing given all the international interactions that go on in that town. Could this be a bit of anecdotal evidence to support the theory that Dem power players (& their loyal staffs & bureaucrats) have all been on the prophylactic HCQ treatments, so they are all safe from the pandemic?
In CO the election map has a decent amount of overlap with the disease map in particular with the near perfect N to S counties mostly just one county from CO’s western border…hmm…
AK & HI have no correlation between the electoral map & the disease spread one…
WA electoral dem counties are almost always also disease counties, but there are more disease counties than those dem voting ones. I wonder where that practically ground zero nursing home was located & if the disease spread widely in the area before things got more “locked down”?
OR is mostly low level disease & the higher concentration counties are adjacent to the 2016 dem voting ones, perhaps there is only one county overlapping.
LA, MS, & AR all have major dem cluster counties all along the Mississippi River & similar disease spread areas that are more interior in LA & AR than the electoral results.
Following the Mississippi River north we find that the major Dem voting areas in WI, MN, & IA are much less disease impacted.
Chicago area, OH, & MI dem voting areas have a decent overlap with the disease intensity as does PA, though the disease spreads more widely in PA than just the dem voting areas.
The NYC, NJ, & CT area has a wider spread county wise than just the dem voting areas of 2016. Upstate NY & VT strong dem voting areas are hit or miss on the disease intensity.
FL, GA, & AL appear to have a somewhat loose correlation between dem voting counties & CV spread.
SC is somewhat similar between the 2016 map & the CV one but NC is much less so.
NM & AZ have much less disease spread overall but the more impacted counties, at leas in NM seem to be the dem leaning ones, while the ones in AZ are adjacent to the dem ones.
UT & WY have No dem voting 2016 counties so that perspective is invalid for analysis there. UT appears to have the disease more correlated with higher population counties, but it’s harder to discern for WY because the population density voting map doesn’t provide state borders & I’m not familiar enough with those western states to make an educated guess.
ID & MT have the disease density in seemingly dem leaning areas but some MT dem areas don’t show much disease spread.
ND & SD seem to have about the same percentage of counties that went dem in 2016 as disease laden ones now but the overlap is pretty hit & miss…
So without going over Every state showing disease &/or dem voting it appears that trying to draw a correlation between 2016 dem voting counties &/or denser population counties is only partially “predictive” of the disease spread. Common sense would likely suggest that larger population density would lead to greater disease spread & that many dem leaning cities also promote population density & mass transit (Agenda 21 goals) that would increase contagion but those factors Alone are insufficient to predict the location &/or magnitude of the disease spread.
Just giving it a visual overview, without crunching numbers I would speculate that dem political leanings &/or increased population density are both Loosely correlated with the disease intensity & spread, likely more than 50 percent. Some of the lesser populated counties may also be “seeded” with disease by those who travel there to escape their home turf so that might explain some of the outlier “hotspots”, like a county in MI’s northern lower peninsula or perhaps the border county of CA w/ NV.
Temperature factors &/or racial/ethnic factors may also come into play. In parts of the southwest in TX, AZ, & NM the heavily dem areas don’t seem to display significant disease progression & that is the case in CA too. However the disease presence along the southern Mississippi River & in FL would suggest that the temp factor might not be what is limiting the disease spread in those other locations necessarily.
Here are the maps I was using to compare to your disease maps for this “exercise”–Blessings!
& for ease of comparison, hopefully this displays the map you shared…
Remember, the disease hotspot maps are based on population density, or number of cases per million people.
Not the best metric, actually.
And I don’t know that Democrat voting patterns are the most reliable metric, either, despite the prevalence in the hotspots. It’s closer to risk taking attitudes among the populations.
Heat…we’ll see if that makes a difference once all the travel dies down.
I guess what might represent a slightly better data presentation would be cases/million/square mile (or larger area) but then no one would want to even get near the airspace of the NYC corridor!
Maybe I’m misreading you. Maybe I’m reading you right.
isn’t the problem that the hotspots are based on straight counts rather than cases per million?
To illustrate, 1000 cases in Manhattan is small compared to 5 cases in Kalawao county HI (population 88). Yet New York will show bright red and Kalawao County won’t.
Your post confirms my belief that we need a vaccine for liberalism.
With hated RFID tracking for systematic deprogramming ops! 🙂
The “blue” areas correlate with the areas that are the most spiritually sick.
Well, that IS how God rolls, ya know.
Oh, look at TELLURIDE – location of those people who have the antibody test coming – that company that Sadie finds very suspicious. They are there, and also going to test their product there first. Look how much virus testing they have there, too!!! And ALL those ski towns where rich people retire, in Colorado. Lots of testing.
Oh, this is starting to make sense. I smell TH’ELITE all over this.
Could also be another correlation….besides voting and ideology.
HOT SPOTS are POT SPOTS.
Hot spots for the disease are also likely Hot Spots for drugs and/or tobacco use.
Several widely used drugs are smoked or inhaled, right?
COVID-19 attacks the lungs.
Interesting…I wonder if anyone has checked data against legalized marijuana areas. MI, tragically, bought into MJ propaganda & legalized it fairly recently. Pot heads aren’t often known as rule keepers, dude, so perhaps lax personal habits also might contribute to disease spread…
& don’t forget that 5G correlation mentioned in that one doctor’s slide show shared by a Q-Treeper a couple days back. That Washington nursing home, Evergreen I believe with all those CV cases & early deaths, was located in a 5G hot spot so there may be some hard to fathom connection there too…
Lifestyle and general health – along with drugs and smoking, advanced age and low immunity, having serious pre-existing conditions – all those seem like a better correlation and causation for developing serious complications than radio/microwaves.
Certainly & whether they are or encounter those major virus shedders who may operate a bit more like “typhoid Mary” than those who shed the virus at a much lower rate. However all those things you mentioned are more predictive on an individual basis as to how much the CV might impact someone if they are exposed. The map “exercise” was an attempt to get a broader overview to see if certain factors might be predictive, an educated guess based on only some of the factors that are coming into play. I guess that process, on my part, might have been loosely inspired by the show “24” when they would project out the theoretical impact of a very contagious bioweapon…
…. unless the 5G rays cause cancers….but we have not seen reports of that.
I have no idea, but that 5G aspect stuck with me from the Dr’s slides because it was so unusual, definitive, & hadn’t been mentioned before, at least in my orbit…I wonder what the source was for the Dr’s info & how they came to that conclusion?
THINK ABOUT IT – IF drugs are a problem in an area, so are illegals and dealers who could be carriers/spreaders of coronavirus.
Heck – the virus could be coming in from on the drugs! – on the fentanyl and meth and the marijuana….
Coming in on the panga boats, even on the cruise ships, in private airplanes at medium and small private airports.
Smoking and sniffing drugs are definitely cause more health problems than overdose.
Leftists and their lifestyles and leaders are high risk.
Titty Bar Cuomo is the now symbol, the metaphor and poster boy for the sicko culture of the left – sick on many levels, spiritual, physical and mental!
“Smoking and sniffing drugs are definitely cause more health problems than overdose.” – don’t know what I was thinking.
CORRECTION – Smoking and sniffing definitely causes longterm health problems due to damage to nasal passages and lungs. Overdose a great danger. And an addiction is its own hell on earth.
Please don’t jump on the tobacco nazi train. Even accidentally. We really have been ostracized enough already. Keep in mind, the only reason tobacco use is still legal is because of the fantastic amount of taxes paid by tobacco users.
Let me have my last vice in peace.
You can be reckless and stupid with your own life – but you are being selfish and cruel to your family and a bad role model.
I HATE what tobacco did to my mother, and I’ll hate it till the day I die.
All I said was – smoking does harm/lung damage and makes it easier for COVID-19 to kill people.
I worked on tobacco farms growing up. That’s how country kids earned money during the summers. We handed and strung the tobacco on sticks and hung it on racks in the barns to cook. Our hands would be thickly coated with black tar by lunch time. Then we would go to the creek and rub it off with creek water and sand. After lunch we would get back to work and wash it off again before going home. Same tar gets into smoker’s lungs as well as the smoke. COVID invades and kills lung cells and creates its own gunk, so that poor smokers and others with lung disease never stand a chance. My son in law is a Johns Hopkins trained, JH faculty pulmonologist, now teaching at a med school in IL – he is treating these patients and had one FL woman die there due to smoking, COPD and COVID. It is very sad. Sorry to jump on you. Love you, PGroup!
I’m shocked, SHOCKED!
She wasnt supposed to lose.
And he wasnt supposed to get caught.
And as I told Wolf, we were MEANT to be F’d. SHE was to be the nail in our coffin using THIS as the hammer.
I take issue with this statement in the article. A *perfect* example of fake news and CHINA-CONTROLLED media and SCIENCE MEDIA in the United States.
Scientists have been adamant that the virus is not a weapon, either from the United States or China. “There’s no basis to suspect it’s a laboratory construct,” says Richard Ebright, a professor of chemical biology at Rutgers University. “It has none of the expected signatures that would be present for deliberate construction.”
(a) NOT ALL scientists have been “adamant” that the virus is not a weapon. Screw that. THIS scientist believes it’s a weapon, because THIS scientist understands how SNEAKY the Chinese communists actually ARE. And I’m not the only one. Several people immediately spotted that this stuff was MODIFIED in ways that require tortured natural explanations, especially in light of recent data on mutation. There is GAIN OF FUNCTION here, and those who have pushed for GAIN OF FUNCTION in research have a CONFLICT OF INTEREST and are MINIMIZING. SHAME ON THEM!!!
(b) The second statement is in disagreement with the modifications. Immediate publications which were CHINA-PUSHED into retraction still STAND as far as I’m concerned (and this is very typical of China’s influence on science publishers, who they push around EASILY). Ebright needs to be challenged on the gain of function and the changes which produced it. Also, the “expected signatures” are exactly what you should NOT SEE in a successful DENIABLE bioweapon. Ebright is too old-school in his thinking. WAKE UP AND LEARN.
FBI: “So, Professor Ebright, how much $$ in Chinese grants have you accepted in the last 10 years?”
OMG, I tell you, that was my FIRST THOUGHT.
I wanted to say “Hmmmm – THOUSAND TALENTS, by any chance???”
Well, it certainly was my first thought as I was reading your post.
Sort of like, a majority of (bought) scientists “proved” global warming. Then conveniently “proved” climate change.
Job (financial) security for scientists “proving” a climate crisis, or “disproving” a bio weapon.
Pre determined conclusions purchased by deep state, ChiComs…
Yup. When science becomes business, it falls to business interests. When communism controls business, science falls to communism.
Wolfie
WIKI — “Richard H. Ebright is an American molecular biologist. He is the Board of Governors Professor of Chemistry and Chemical Biology at Rutgers University and Laboratory Director at the Waksman Institute of Microbiology.”
Waksman Institute
GEE, they certainly have a lot of people with Chinese sounding names…
https://www.waksman.rutgers.edu/people
Dr. Juan Dong (has 7 people under him 5 sound Chinese)
Associate Professor
Dr. Richard Ebright (has 18 under him 9 sound Chinese)
Board of Governors Professor
Here are some of the people:
Dr. Chengyuan Wang
Postdoctoral Fellow
Dr. Zhou (Joel) Yin
Postdoctoral Fellow
Qian Zhang
Lab Researcher
Yi Zhang
Postdoctoral Fellow
Xiaoyu Guo
Postdoctoral Fellow
Chao Bian
Graduate Student
Dongmeng Li
Graduate Student
Lu Wang
Graduate Student
Chih-Tsung Lin
Graduate Student
Yuxuan Wang
Graduate Student
Shuya Yang
Graduate Student
Yu (Jeff) Liu
Graduate Student
Pengpeng Wu
Graduate Student
Min Sung Cho
Undergraduate Student
I SMELL “THOUSAND TALENTS”!!!
The whole place STINKS of China.
I hope President Trump takes a LONG HARD LOOK at that place.
Waksman Institute of Microbiology
And one of the labs makes stuff for sale:
This ‘DIVE’ gets interesting….
From the Annual report: https://www.waksman.rutgers.edu/sites/default/files/ar2018%20web.pdf
NOTHING on FUNDING! but still a lot of interesting bits and pieces.
YAYUS!!!! There is EVIL goin’ on!!! 😎 HOOOOWWWWOOOOO!!!!!
this med changes every expectation and every aspect of this crisis + ongoing handling of this virus. so amazing
thinking about what changes after this…better hygiene, more awareness to stay home when sick, more awareness of how viruses work and immune system works (me: the “storms” issue..some immune enhancers/helpers better than others depending on situation – applying how immune system booster works to how the illness works and matching. pharmacology background and we never thought of this before? smh); and biggest change – drug use against viruses in general…how many applications for these virus fighting drugs will there be?
Maybe, just maybe, we won’t have a vaccine pushed if it is treatable with relative ease when caught early and prescribed appropriately.
I think there will be a vaccine, frankly, but I think it will be a sensible one, and herd immunity will protect those who don’t want it.
Can we wipe it out? Not sure. But I think one vaccine may be enough.
AFAIK, there has never been a successful coronavirus vaccine.
Several groups are highly confident they either have one or will. Hopefully at least ONE of them is right!
Sundance has a post up pointing out how this PLANNEDEMIC is revealing just how useless and flatulent people like Joy Screed and the Hollyweird critics are vs. the true, everyday heros like farmers, first responders, truck drivers, etc.
Of course, they’ve always been shit-sucking maggots, but this crisis is revealing them for who they truly are far better than any meme campaign ever could.
The fact that a FAMILY DOCTOR in a Jewish community outside New York simply picked up the latest research from two international groups – one of which encountered stiff resistance from all of medical orthodoxy AND the media (despite being the world’s preeminent expert in his field) – combined these ICU therapies and his hunch that people had to be treated as early as possible – and changed the course of a pandemic – I mean, this stuff is movie grade.
But why is that? Oh, it’s because the Fake News convinced us that We, The People, can’t do anything.
Socialism isn’t just a disease – it’s a highly organized and very dangerous one.
It’s a damn cancer. An unrelenting, aggressive cancer…
….one’s whose only virtue, quoting Churchill, is the equal sharing of misery.
Can you recall the name of that doctor, Wolf?
Zelenko is his name.
He goes by Zed Zelenko but I think he real name is Vladimir Zelenko.
Thanks…a friend from NY wanted to know.
If this works, it’s Giuliani’s video. If not please delete. 👍🏻
Looks like my post worked. The video is Rudy interviewing Dr. Zelenko.
Zev Zelenko
*https://www.vanguardngr.com/2020/03/coronavirus-new-york-doctor-successfully-treats-patients-with-drug-cocktail/
Bill Whittle edited this Rudy interview down to 15 minutes of applicable information.
the Whittle vid is very good.
the title is, “EUREKA”, available on YT.
Here is the UTUBE: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pPflhrcGASQ
Yup! Here is one of the articles from when he first hit the news:
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/03/stunning-ny-doctor-vladimir-zelenko-finds-100-success-rate-in-350-patients-using-hydroxychloroquine-with-z-paks-video/
The virus has mobilized the country to fight against the invisible enemy.
Even as many stay home they do so with an informed mobilized spirit of sacrifice for the their own and their family’s benefit as well as for their fellow citizen’s benefit.
President Trump has handled it beautifully – yes, using some fed gov powers to fight but also not just respecting but insisting on state gov using their power, their leadership and managing their own state.
Private industry stepping, individual responsibility and initiative from POTUS, his admin, the navy getting the ship ready, the army core of engineers and the hospitals, business owners and teachers thinking how to say in business and to contribute while taking care of the children, story after story – American Spirit has come shinning through in what has been accomplished in a very short time.
ANY other president and this would have had a very different outcome. President Trump has them all working on Trump Time.
And I do not think Any other president would have pushed the FDA re: innovative treatments, outside of the box solutions, quick approvals and rolling back regulations and cutting red tape like President Trump. the drugs are changing Everything about this virus and its impact, esp. its impact
Totally agree PDJT once again turning the table on them, a negative into a positive. Think of all the manufacturing that’s going to ret6to the USA. Winning!!
Totally agree PDJT once again turning the table on them, a negative into a positive. Think of all the manufacturing that’s going to return to the USA. Winning!!
Yup. We have a RESULTS-oriented POTUS!!!
“shit-sucking maggots”
My newest favorite word weapon.
“shit sucking maggots”
You know, if there’s one thing I despise it’s a fence sitter who hides behind weasel words.
Quit sitting on the fence and tell us what you really feel.
😀
How about Sons of Syphilitic She Camels (Courtesy of my Arab grandfather.)
Another fence sitter. Sheesh.
I read the obituary in my local paper online tonight. Two women I know, have known for years, died of Covid-19. I consider myself very fortunate. I continue to improve. Annoyingly slow, but better than not.
My DSD sent me a picture of the store shelves in LV. Still no paper products, but more canned goods now. She and my cousin can’t grasp how I knew to prepare…….mind you, these are highly educated women. I told them it was simple. I read. When I saw there was a bad virus on the loose in China and that it was quite contagious, I knew it would spread world wide, so I kept an eye on the news about it and I went shopping.
I suppose I should have told them to prepare, but……..I didn’t think they’d believe me. (Liberals, you see).
Awake and was thinking about you. came looking for an update. thanks for posting. so good to hear your are improving
telling others – yes, hard to know who one ought to give a heads up as many just won’t listen.
so sorry that people close to you have passed. its such an ugly virus. prayers for you
Thank you for thinking of me, sweet MAGA Mom!!!! ❤❤❤❤❤
Thinking about you like crazy, Sylvia.
Thanks daughn. This is a miserable bug, and I haven’t had it anywhere near as bad as many people. It really feels like it was designed to be a killer. I really believe if I hadn’t been reading here and using the excellent information on what vitamins and supplements to use and what to avoid and followed through with it I might be in a very different situation.
My pee sure is yellow, though! LOL! (TMI????)
Drink more water!
The color is probably vitamin B — which helps with energy (which is good) but not immune response. If she’s taking large amounts of vitamin C (near saturation), she’d be passing anything her body can’t immediately use — which can lead to dehydration. Drink more water is a good recommendation.
In the category of TMI..that’s where I am…starting to cut back on the C, but it’s a good thing to know my body apparently doesn’t need it at the present time.
Yes, sir! Doing my best! (Feel like a camel…..)
So glad all the recommendations you read here helped.
Get Well VERY VERY SOON!
Thanks Gail! So appreciate all the information you have brought.
I’m hoping you got your HCQ today — bfly had a great suggestion in the morning for tracking it down. You are in my thoughts and prayers.
And, yes, this was designed to be a killer — it’s silently contagious, and in people who show symptoms, it seems to go away…..while sneakily preparing another attack. We were fed a bunch of lies and BS from China so that we wouldn’t see it clearly, and we’re still being fed hogwash about a vaccine.
I hope that full justice is done for it; though I may turn away from witnessing its administration — because it will be ugly.
Get well, dear Sylvia.
Thanks cthulhu!
TMI? Never! That’s how we all helped!!!
Keep up the hydration! You’re doing good! Cross that finish line!!! 😀
More liquids are really good for your kidneys. And don’t forget potassium!!! 😎
I have thought same about our preparedness for the specific symptoms, helpful things to do and, importantly, Not to do. the “storms” triggered by many things we use routinely when we get “symptoms” and want to help our bodies fight it off – yikes!
Glad you are aware of the details. probably helped you know what to look for in the various stages. praying for you.
TY MM!!!!
“I continue to improve. Annoyingly slow, but better than not.”
Excellent news, Syl!! 👍😃
That shovel ain’t gonna swing itself and there is a rapidly growing backlog. 🥵😉
I’d love to take some practice swings on Acosta When he isn’t around, I forget about him so easily. But when he reappears, I remember how he annoys me. And I just want to SMACK him, with my special backhand swing.
I’d like to see that.
Repeatedly.
It would do us all good in these trying times……
Now, I would PAY to see that! LOL
Glad you are on the road to recovery, Sylvia…you are our heroine!
Smuchas, Teagan! Thank you!
More prayers going your way Sylvia
I’m sure you are already aware, the handle, is effective in a jabbing motion ..
lots of targets in the skull area
Get well
*grin*
Thanks, Chris~
“annoys me” – Dearest Sylvia, you’re being much too kind to Jim Acosta. He’s sees it as his life’s mission to try and harm DJT. Not going to happen, and I look forward to the day, Acosta is banished once and for all.
#MeToo
I’d post that picture of you, but it never seems to work any more. The short link redirects to one a paragraph long, and the long link just doesn’t work.
Noooooooo!-!-! Steve! I am heartbroken……
Me too! It’s been frustrating the last couple of times I tried to post it.
I bet your two deceased friends never got hydroxychlorodine / z-pack / zinc treatment. So in effect they were murdered.
Hugs Sylvia
Doesn’t sound good.
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Updated: JBS Temporarily Reduces Production in Pennsylvania Packing Plant Due to COVID-19
One of the first packing plants in the US looks to temporarily reduce production for the safety of it’s employees due to COVID-19. An extension specialist with Cornell University has relayed that the JBS processing facility in Souderton, PA will reduce production at end of business today (March 30th), due to confirmation of 2 COVID-19 cases. According to the source the plant will reassess the situation in two weeks. It is not known where in the plant the employees worked.
https://krvn.com/agricultural/jbs-to-temporarily-close-pennsylvania-packing-plant-due-to-covid-19/
Check this out!!!
https://twitter.com/neuro7plastic/status/1244896042262220800
Knows you guys know this stuff but can’t resist.
Masks protect three ways.
1 Prevents you from touching your face, thus giving you a grace period into which you may wash your hands after a surface contact.
2 Prevents virus from spreading from an asymptomatic carrier who does not know they have the virus and is spreading some level of contaminate every time they breathe. A simple face cover will block much of this. A mask need not be surgeon quality or better. Think of those people who did not cancel choir practice. Had they continued with choir practice but wore a simple bandanna they may of not contracted or may of gotten less sick.
3. Prevents a person from contracting the virus through aerial transmission. Obviously the better the mask the better this works however because it is a cumulative dosing that over comes the bodies natural defenses then even 50% protection afforded from a simple scarf can help in avoiding a dangerous dose.
Of the three above #1 & 2 are likely most important and 3 adds a level of protection. Yet everyone looks at 3 as being the most important and thus think if you don’t have a really good mask it wont help and since they need to go to the medical community first they shouldn’t bother.
WHO does not recommend the general public to wear a mask (it is in their COVID 19 pages advising what countries should and should not do) and CDC does not address or recommend it just like they don’t recommend methods of boosting the immune system. Both are contradicted when they say a sick person an a person treating a sick person should wear a mask. You also see the contradiction in all the health care community decrying lack of masks. WHO and CDC are evil. They know better. Just look at Dr Brix always wearing her antimicrobial scarfs and yes there are scarfs that are made of nano materials that are either
antibacterial or antimicrobial however most places you can get them on line have long since been sold out. Personally thinks Brix is worried about a vector being sent in to contaminate people in the administration and will likely cover up if anyone gets too close to her while working. Covering up is also a great nonverbal signal for someone not to avoid her space.
Asian developed countries did not heed that advice because it was already an accepted norm by up to 50% pre CV and it is common sense to wear a mask when packed together as they often are especially during flu season. Along comes CV and now 99% wear a mask.
For us it would make great sense if grocery and like stores made it mandatory to shop. Had we done this earlier we’d be relatively safe even with in a foot or two of each other and it would not have effected commerce and the economy the way we’ve let it.
We don’t have to make the country wear masks. We need the CDC to change their recommendation for areas that are hot so that a face cover is mandatory to conduct commerce.
Many stores now have plexiglass shields up to prevent spittle-fly at or from cashiers. The full 6 feet seems to work pretty well for that, but most folks don’t do it. 3-5 feet is common.
Just give a wide berth to people who want to sing in the store. 🙂
Microbial scarves are often sold for airline travel:
https://www.thebarriermethod.com
https://www.pluggz.com/Stellarcleenz-Anti-microbial-Wonder-Silver-Scarf-p/skz-scf.htm
Israel’s cotton that kills viruses: https://www.israel21c.org/unique-cotton-fabric-kills-germs-and-viruses-on-contact/
I can not pull it up fast, but the guy at ChiefIO esp Larry L. were discussing home made masks. The first layer will stop maybe 50% but the second layer will stop even more and the third layer gives you something in the range of the n-95 masks.
That means a simple cotton bandanna folded into a triangle and then the widest part folded down again to give you four layers, tied behind your head is certainly better than nothing and can be dropped into the wash to be sanitized for reuse.
You can add wire (coat hanger or copper wire) to allow form fitting over the nose.
You can see how this could be folded again:
I don’t like the color, other than that of course. They can flatten the curve in 10 days if this was mandatory to shop in. Also added value is you can whoop some jerk with out too much fear. Meanwhile the 50% is a good number, too many more layers and it gets hard to breathe but an air conditioned store will certainly help.
FLORIDA has two very helpful links to follow the path of the virus in depth and detail.
Dashboard – https://experience.arcgis.com/experience/96dd742462124fa0b38ddedb9b25e429
Daily reports – https://floridadisaster.org/covid19/covid-19-data-reports/
There was a glimmer of encouragement in yesterday’s dip in new cases….can’t wait to see what the day brings.
FL NEW CASES
3/19/20 – 78
3/20/20 – 142
3/21/20 – 204
3/22/20 – 299
3/23/20 – 179
3/24/20 – 286
3/25/20 – 504
3/26/20 – 545
3/27/20 – 677
3/28/20 – 733
3/29/20 – 806
3/30/20 – 637
President Trump is right – Easter is too soon.
I never want to buy or consume anything – medicine, vitamins, food or any other product made or processed in China.
During this period the numbers of tests increased, but so did the % of positive results.
Was there a change of type/brand of tests, different labs?
FL TESTS
3/26/20
28,644 tests
24,553 negative
2,359 positive – 8.235%
3/27 PM
33,822 tests
30,766 negative
3,054 positives – 9.4%
3/28
40,250 tests
35,366 negative
3,608 positive
3,763 cases
3/29
50,528 tests
4/768 positive – 9.6%
44,048 negative
3/30
56,702 tests
5,489 positive – 9.8%
49,319 negative
Sorry – 3/28 was 8.96%
DASHED HOPES! – They adjusted yesterday’s new case total to include those case recorded after 5 pm and before midnight.
New case total for 3/30/20 is now 875 – only slightly lower than the 897 new cases on 3/29/20.
I should not be allowed anywhere near numbers, even with calculators…. shouldn’t have tried to draw a conclusion with one day’s incomplete data.
From now on, I will keep my figuring and erroneous observations to myself.
Don’t worry, you are among friends and the rest of us make flubs at times too. 😉
Boy of boy, do I have a ground report for you guys.
Big T came home from the Oxford Courthouse yesterday, went to the b-room, came out, and announced we had to go to the Emergency Room.
He was shrieking like a little girl. Severe and sudden pain in his “man regions”.
Off we went.
Of course, the local hospital, where I was on the Board of Directors, the one less than 3 minutes from our home, was closed. Thus, a 25 minute drive to a bigger hospital. Big T was crawling the ceiling, in a LOT of pain.
We pulled up to Emergency Drop Off, past the COVID barricades, because he said he could not walk. He tumbled out of the car and into the hands of hospital staff who immediately questioned him about respiratory symptoms.
“NO!”, he screamed, “You need to cath me right now!!!”
His voice was definitely approaching mezzo soprano.
Well…….., when a man is begging to be catheterized, it’s pretty serious.
I told the orderly I was going to park and would be back in a flash to check him in.
“No mam”, said the big guy, “You can’t come in here. No visitors.”
“What?”, said I, “I’m not about to turn over my ill husband to ANYONE. He’s MY husband!”
“Nope”, he said, “Not happenin’ mam, I’m not letting you inside this hospital….”
He was a big guy and he meant it.
Message received. “You can wait in the parking lot.”, he said, in a voice so low he could have been the son of James Earl Jones.
So…. I parked at the office building next door to the hospital and called a girlfriend, the “medical expert”/former critical care oncology nurse in our group of girlfriends. She counseled me and I told her I left the back door unlocked. Had no idea if we would stay or leave. No idea….. I hung up with her and moved the car to the hospital parking lot.
All around me, family members sat in their cars, drizzling rain. We were all waiting…..
Eerie.
I took a look around. The hospital itself looms large. I counted 22 stories, surrounded by massive office parks for physicians and even Gunner’s orthodontist has an office on the fringe. At the corner of Emergency Drop Off was a single nurse, outfitted in full protective gear, to direct traffic. She looked horribly lonesome and wet.
In front of the hospital were three big white tents, each with at least three staffers and equipment, to test for COVID. At the entrance to Emergency were two BIG MEN, sitting in wheel chairs and masks (I originally thought they were patients), but they were there to guard the door. Inside the first vapor lock were another three nurses and a big metal hand sanitizer that looked like a parking meter…. no one would steal that hand sanitizer.
Within 20 minutes, Big T called from within the hospital. He sang praises of the hospital staff and launched into a full review of the facility, comparing it to Boston hospitals…… like he was with the AMA and there to inspect. Come to find out, his urologist had been a guest at our B&B and remembered us both. Small world, eh? They were treating him like a visiting king. His voice had returned to normal, deep resonant tones. Big T really should have been a broadcaster….. I could tell he was feeling better but had to prompt him to ask him “what was wrong”. No news yet, still waiting on bloodwork and labs. He gave me a full run-down of the supplies on hand. Our hospital was overflowing with “gear” and ready for an onslaught. He suggested that I go home, but we decided to wait until the labs came back. I wanted to know.
I sat and waited in the spitting rain, watching the hospital staff as dusk turned to dark. For about an hour, cars came and went. Security man made his rounds with a bright green light flashing. No one did anything, but it seemed like we were all thinking the same thing. Suddenly, we had some activity and everyone in surrounding cars sat up, straining to see. A swank white Mercedes pulled up to the COVID test site and a large obese woman got out. She was gone in 5minutes. Back to the rain spitting on the windshield.
Big T called again, back to his happy self. He was waiting at drop off, released. Everything was normal, all benign, no kidney stones, just an inflamed “thing”. He said it was the best physical he’s ever received and was thrilled with his numbers. “I’m ready for another marathon”, he said, “just maybe not tonight”. Have to see a urologist tomorrow as part of the protocol. It was about 90 minutes in total, and he was astounded with the exemplary service, gave me a full report of everyone he encountered including their medical schools and training, where they lived, if they had kids, married or not, and pets…….. He made friends. SMH, he is a social creature.
Home again.
Bottom line: Big T talked to the nurse at “dispatch” who released him. She was completely frustrated with the media hysteria about COVID…. it made more work for them and clogged the hospital last week. Apparently, last week was busier. People who were “nervous Nellies” were tested and negative, and the hospital weeded out those few cases who actually had COVID. This weekend was quiet and Monday was dead empty. I asked Big T if he had the chance to talk to staff about Hydroxychloroquine and Zpack combo with Zinc. He shook his head. He forgot.
The invisible enemy will come, eventually, either from New Orleans or Chicago. We know it and we can feel it. Like trying to stop a hurricane, but at least with a hurricane we can see the clouds and feel the storm. Now, it’s just a steady drizzle…… Our big hospital, however, is as prepared as they possibly can be…… and Big T knows everyone there….. He can tell you who to call.
Hope you all get some rest and Big T recovers at Trump speed!
I pray this is not a serious or ongoing problem for Big T – and that his doctor today gives him a great prognosis after he finishes his medication against inflammation.
Men of a certain age have to watch out for rocks in the urinary system and prostate maladies. Modern medicine has greatly advanced in both tests and procedures – BUT – it is important to keep a careful watch on those areas and drink lots of water! Tell Big T he has to mind his doctor!
Amen! “Watch the water”!!! 😉
You are an amazing storyteller, daughn. The best ones are the true stories. Thanks for the read this AM.
Glad he is ok. Amazing his pain came under control that fast! wonderful
hospitals and staffs and support staff have been working around the clock for the last weeks to be ready. As much as they can be, they are. Plans are in place (and still be honed) for movement of product and staff between hotspots and to be ready for medical staff shortages, etc.
shut down has worked on impacting the numbers – and reduced the numbers of other hospital usage.
Big thing that was mentioned in press conference was all of the regs rolled back and red tape cut for hospitals. HUGE about the money flow as hospitals are having cash flow as they have spent Big $ to prepare and have sacrificed income to prepare (elective surgeries are a good sources of income that has stopped, for example). Mentioned yesterday was helping with that cashflow. This preventing More lay offs in hospital systems (non medical personal, obviously) as companies scrambled to find cash to buy for what is (now maybe was because of mitigation and new meds?) coming. A lot of stuff that was said yesterday was what has been going on behind the scenes and was really big news …. but I guess more boring than making stuff.
anyway, good husband feels so much better
wait just a cotton pickin’ minute here…..an inflamed “thing”?
http://www.quickmeme.com/img/63/63adf70a2c95b67ed30c1e6031d13ca48bb74638da9e92cc3fdfbee07b1f8b7f.jpg
What’d he do….go stick his tallywacker in the knothole of a fence?
Our “things“ dont just become inflamed so bad we have to go to the ER all of a sudden and get “catheterized”.
You’re leaving a whoooooole bunch out o’ this.
I’m fine with the current level of TMI!!! 😉
Inflamed prostate but no issues. Tested and all clear. He’s already at the urologist this morning.
Glad to hear it!
OMG Miss Daughn, you’re gonna embarrass the poor man! In all seriousness, I’m sure every one of us men immediately felt his pain upon hearing about it. Let him know we are thinking of him and hope all goes well. Agree with the others, lots of water. Maybe cranberry juice as well.
Thank you, CM. Something no woman will ever comprehend.
Multiply that by a thousand…and you know how every medieval village, town, and city felt as they heard news of the Black Death getting closer and closer.
There’d be a last normal day in the village. Then, it would arrive…and two weeks after the last “normal” day, half of the town, maybe a bit more, maybe a bit less…would be gone. The lives of those who survived would be irrevocably changed.
It came in three forms, bubonic, pneumonic and septicemic. Pneumonic and septicemic seem to have been one hundred percent fatal. Bubonic (with buboes) would let about fifteen percent of its victims live.
And then, ten years later it would return, and kill mostly children who hadn’t been born the last time it came through. The plague would come back every ten years or so for the next two centuries; finally the last big outbreak was in 1666 in London. It took 150 years for European populations to recover to their levels in 1345.
As rough as this is for many people, this isn’t anything close to the mid 1300s.
Something on the Black Plague here and what someone thinks finally stopped it.
https://www.vapes.com/blogs/news/research-shows-propylene-glycol-vapor-kills-airborne-influenza-virus
Prayer Against Contagious Diseases
The following prayer was composed by Pope Saint Zachary. It was used by the Council of Trent. Please share this prayer with everyone you know. The more prayer the better!
In Christ the King and in the Immaculata,
Fr. Paul McDonald
Diocese of Saint Catharines
https://remnantnewspaper.com/web/index.php/fetzen-fliegen/item/4828-prayer-against-contagious-diseases
COMMUNIST CHINA is EVIL.
https://twitter.com/LadyQanuck/status/1244842522146476032
At the WH Task Force briefing yesterday – they announced UPS or FedEX is bringing planeloads of medical supplies from ‘Asia’
Not thrilled about that.
Across social media, I’m seeing a mask wearing push from the left. So far, I have not worn one, and will not unless threatened with something more than “you might breathe it in” when this is a virus that is spread via touching surfaces. I mean, come on, this is NOT the Irish potato blight that really was in the air. I’m more in danger from pollen.
So, why the late push when the rate of infection numbers are beginning to wane? I am not going to erase my face for the public just because some politician wants to be fashionable. I’m a good Catholic girl, not a muslim.
PS – the crackpot mayor of the city blocked off a bunch of roads into the bigger city parks this morning. She basically made cutting through to avoid the regular city streets impossible. Supposedly this was to allow more space for people to walk around. Has this woman ever BEEN in Forest Park? The only time there is a shortage of space is balloon race weekend.
3/29/20 – Surgeon General 3 part thread on Masks:
TEXT:
1/3 Regarding masks:
@WHO @CDCgov & my office have consistently recommended against the general public wearing masks as there is scant or conflicting evidence they benefit individual wearers in a meaningful way, but real concerns about pulling from the healthcare worker supply…
2/3 If you have #coronavirus or are caring for someone with #COVID19, both @CDCgov and @WHO advise you to wear a mask around others, so YOU don’t spread disease to THEM. There may be other recommendations for wearing masks at the discretion of your health provider or employer.
3/3 My office, @CDCgov & @WHO constantly review emerging data & studies regarding #COVID19, and will adjust recommendations according to new data as the evidence warrants. CDC does not have new guidance scheduled to come out on this topic at this time.
I found a box of masks I bought from Harbor Freight nearly 20 years ago (they no longer sell them from what I can see). They look a lot like the N95 masks, but clearly are NOT.
I thought about wearing one just so people would keep their distance.
Aerosole transmission has not only not been ruled out but is suspected. I can not wear a mask. Husband has gone no where in Nash not in a mask. Why take a chance until it is known unless you can’t wear a mask until it ruled out? Plus, it reduces the wearer’s chance of transmission if the wearer is an asymptotic case or newly infected and doesn’t know it yet. Not reason not to wear a mask except for the shortages that would suddenly cause and medical workers need them more. We already had them on hand.
Because I don’t buy it anymore. Plus, with all the social distancing, I’m not coming in contact with anyone else’s breathing plume.
More or less, I don’t want to.
Right now, the left is pushing masks for psychological reasons. Anything that sounds like it’s going to help, but will actually make things worse.
The left is PUSHING MASKS while HOARDING MASKS for a REASON.
AN ALINSKY REASON.
THey’re trying to prep us for something else, I think. Watch the Project Veritas video I just posted on this thread. EVERYBODY is masked up.
Animal rescue places use masks and the like to keep the animals from bonding with their keepers.
They’re trying to dehumanize us.
Hmmm never put something like together but could be. Masks would also immediately subconsciously raise a threat flag..is the person friend or foe..sick or not.. if they say..”just a precaution” do we believe?
I’m not just blindly following it all. There has to be more involved, especially with the media putting forth imaged from years ago events, and those in other countries.
Something just isn’t right.
I’ll play along to an extent since I am usually a homebody anyway, but I don’t buy that this particular virus is the sole reason the president is going along with the deep state plans to invoke a depression.
Prep for burka wear
Here’s another piece for your puzzle.
My response! This can PUNCTURE fake narratives!
Sadie’s WARNING on that cabal-stinky antibody testing promising company racing to the front of the line has particular relevance here. Note that this company (based in Telluride, CO) could very well be responsible in part for the massively high test numbers (PCR test, not antibody test) in that region.
I think that FRIENDLY SKEPTICISM is going to be KEY to puncturing the DEM-CHICOM NARRATIVES and getting back to work.
YES, WE WANT TO BE CAREFUL!!! VERY CAREFUL!!! So give us the NUMBERS!!! VERY GOOD NUMBERS!!! NO CHEAP CHINESE TESTS!!! NO BAD NUMBERS FROM OUR TESTS!!!
When the real numbers come back, Dems have to abandon false narratives.
MAKE THE ALINSKYITES LIVE UP TO THEIR ALINSKY HOAXES!!!
Easy read and very intriguing concept!
Or, the left is pushing masks as it fits RESIST, Trump.
Trust Trump – he says its probably a good idea. Listen to President Trump.
He just discussed covering one’s mouth/nose in public. Trust Trump.
Surely, we don’t think he is part of a “they” or a scheme?!
Covering our mouths prevents us from spreading when we are unknowingly infected.
Plus if used properly lessens chance for being infected.
The only reason that it has not been pushed is because there was a shortage for medical workers. They needed them more.
Using some we already had so in no way impacting medical supplies.
Using N99’s already had for home repair. and already had some disposables for home use.
Alright, I think after 2+ weeks of this, the strategy of VSGPOTUSDJT NOT pushing back against the Democrat governors, mayors and county executive sorts is starting to yield results:
The trust in the mainstream media is eroding pretty quickly.
Trust in local authorities to act rationally is eroding pretty quickly.
Trust in the CDC, FDA, etc., to act in the country’s best interest is eroding.
That’s probably what the point was from the White House perspective. With social media available, we are seeing a lot of pushback to the narrative, and a lot of one the ground reports that in no way match what is reported, at least outside of NYC. This will leave far more people open to accepting the real truth, what ever that is, when it finally comes out which opens the door to other truths that are uncomfortable at best. What the full breadth and depth of that is remains to be seen. BUT, overall, as much of a pain as this is even with the benefit of flattening curves and the demonstration of the human condition at its worst even among non-criminals, that will be best for all of us in the long run.
Tom Fitton
@TomFitton
Citizens, sick and non-sick, of nation’s capital are now threatened w/jail for leaving homes to engage in non-essential activities–such as petitioning their government, freely associating, etc. As a result of these shutdowns, citizen oversight of gov’t is severely hampered.
Due to shutdown to slow the spread rate and therefore the case rate, the US is now So much more prepared! The shut down is about buying time.
We can’t stay in shut down forever – it is not a solution to the virus but is to buy time to prepare and to be able to handle the incoming cases.
+ finding solutions.
Best part? POTUS pushed solutions that are being shown to work from existing meds.
Hospitals being prepared makes the difference between the US becoming an Italy or not. We don’t want overloaded hospitals and we don’t want rationing as has happened in other areas when the # of virus cases hit to fast.
so proud of our country pulling together to slow the spread and to prepare!
PRESIDENT TRUMP’S SCHEDULE – 3/31/20
2:30PM THE PRESIDENT participates in a phone call with network service providers
5:00PM Members of the Coronavirus Task Force hold a press briefing
Good point. That really creeped me out the first time I saw it.
It’s not the mayor.
Rig for red, baby.
Mom says it does nothing for her.
With thoughts of confusion being delibertly sown by the mainstream media/cabal, and in ignoring the life-saving truth regarding COVID-19. They are complicit in bringing about ruin in peoples lives.
The Fiancee is working at the VA. They’re leaning on staff (not admin staff, like her) to do temporary stints in “hotspots” (e.g. NYC).
❤️👍😷🥰💖
Dirty the lot of them
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/03/exclusive-dr-birxs-connections-with-the-clinton-foundation-and-obama-unfortunately-indicate-conflicted-loyalties/
Her husband’s relationship with the BEELZEBUBBA administration is more than troubling.
It’s not every article that features HIS NAME (Paige Reffe), Ron Brown, and Craig Livingstone, and explains their interrelationship.
https://www.westword.com/news/the-education-of-craig-livingstone-5056469
Archived, because it’s hot:
https://archive.fo/GtUQQ
The hiding of the FBI files in Livingstone’s office is *CLASSIC* Hillary.
Something is interesting here. I think Hillary is tied to this plot.
I think this explains why Beelzebubba and his toadies wanted Trump to keep the wife of a Bill Clinton lieutenant on. Even if she’s honest, they have INSIDE INFO.
BINGO, just ANOTHER spy and SUBVERSIVE from within.
And Trump knows they are there.
And Trump isn’t playing games. No one will find dirt on him or be able to find fault with him.
That’s why he is listening to their recommendations and implementing based on the best possible data.
Cabal will cry huge tears when this is over.
I agree. Every dirty trick to take down Trump BLOWS UP. Ask why!!!
ABSOLUTELY.
Some news from the TN home front…
https://tennesseestar.com/2020/03/30/governor-bill-lee-orders-tennessee-residents-to-stay-home-except-for-essential-business/
https://www.tn.gov/health/cedep/ncov.html
Yep, PLANNEDEMIC to the max. Look at the set-up, complete with an am radio station with instructions in a loop.
NO EFFING WAY did any government organize this on the fly. NO WAY, JOSE!
Thank you, James. Thank you, thank you, thank you.
YOU ALL NEED TO WATCH THE VIDEO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
James keeps asking, “Is this as bad as the media is saying?” By that does he mean, are the numbers as bad or is the illness as bad? Unclear to what they are answering.
a) If they mean the illness is no that bad….intake will not see the worse cases or the cases when they reach peak illness so their perception is skewed of the illness not being that bad.
b) President Trump said clearly that the #s will surge over the coming 2 weeks.
Also, this is a biased question – he set the tone when he asked.
a) they are naturally going to reassure him to keep people calm
b) of course, it is not as bad as CNN is leading people to believe – Nothing ever is! they are clickbait yellow journalists who will exaggerate Everything negative to harm a GOP POTUS & esp. President Trump so keep in mind the metric against which they are measuring.
Saying it is not as bad as what CNN says doesn’t mean that it is not as serious as President Trump says.
Saying it is not as bad as what CNN says doesn’t mean that the opposite is true – that there is No problem.
I don’t think President Trump is basing his policy making decisions on CNN reports. I don’t think he was “fear mongering” when he said that there will be a surge of cases and that surgery will be coming in 2-4 weeks depending on location.
This video proves CNN has a exaggerated and that they don’t have a good reputation for accuracy. It does not prove that there is not a serious problem and a serious issue that our nation is facing.
We know have 2500 cases in TN and the rate growth is going up – not reaching our “hump” yet. Same in many locations around the nation.
Trust Trump, his #s, his request for actions, his recommendations, his leadership.
The Vaccine Government-Academic-Complex
Creating a problem that demands a solution, and creating a self-affirming system. A self-licking ice cream cone.
A huge amount of government (taxpayer) dollars chasing vaccine solutions, and a huge number of academic piglets lining up for their part from the sow.
There’s not real money in the sale of vaccines. All the money comes up front in the R&D work which is why it continues to be pushed to academia rather than industry. The customer for vaccines is not the average consumer – they’re a third party payer at best – the real customer and market for vaccines is government (Federal, State, Local, and international). Government makes purchase decisions using fundamentally non-market criteria – and frankly, non-scientific criteria.
Industry doesn’t invest in vaccines b/c big government always inserts itself to buy huge volumes and distribute for free. The average person believes in vaccines as the ultimate in socialized medicine: If there is a vaccine for a disease, they believe wrongly that the vaccine belongs “to humanity” and should be given “free”. Generally people don’t question their fundamentally socialist assumptions.
If people continue to be herded down the path of vaccines, they will be by design choosing socialized medicine in practice whether or not they are willing to vote for it at the ballot box.
The effect is amplified as physicians themselves rely more and more on vaccine based solutions rather than practicing actual medicine, and continue in elitist attitudes toward people who don’t see the need to accept the socialized vaccine medicine being shoved down their throats by Bernie Gates.
Taken to its logical extreme, the available medical practice will be reduced, shrunk and minimized, gobbled up by the vaccine government-academic complex. The private sector cannot compete against government subsidy. Industry and private sector innovate will wither up and die, and the medical system will increasingly need government financing to support and sustain it.
Hydroxychloroquine Update
I have posted previously that I have been taking Hydroxychloroquine for 20+ years for arthritis. Well, as I expected I went an ordered a refill, even though I have about 2 months supply remaining, and have been informed that due to the ‘extremely high demand’ the drug is on back order. They put me on the list and suggested I call the doctor, which I did. The nurse in the doc’s office said that many patients are experiencing the same and the doctor is prescribing Prednisone for a short time…lucky for me I have 2 months left. So there must be sufficient enough confidence in Hydroxychloroquine that many doctors are subscribing/using, etc.
My fall back position is a trip to PetCo to check out their fish aquarium cleaning supplies….hey a guy’s gotta do what a guy has got to do. Maybe if I take it in little doses it will be safe; if I start forming gills and fins I may stop. But then again those gills and fins may come in handy! I could get get rid of all my scuba gear and save a ton of money since the govt has now shutdown my meds and our business…that extra money could come in handy.
Wait….
You know that the aquarium cleaning version of Hydroxychloroquine is NOT safe for human consumption AND a woman killed her husband giving him that exact thing a week ago, right?
lol..take that fish cleaner sloooowly.
OH Sweden. Yes lets ignore the older people. Let’s care for the invaders.
Also what economy? Have you seen Sweden!
The USA is NOT Sweden
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/03/sweden-decides-to-let-coronavirus-play-out-in-country-without-destroying-its-economy-or-future/
Time will tell….
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/sweden/
Sweden is a lost cause already.
FWIW…hundreds of cars lined up and waiting to receive food from the Greater Community Food Bank…Duquesne/Pittsburgh, yesterday….
welcome to Burny’s world…
This is a few weeks old by may be helpful . . . more possible complications from Coronavirus . . .
Cardiologist’s Insights From Treating COVID-19 Patients in China
Mar 12, 2020ACC News Story
https://www.acc.org/latest-in-cardiology/articles/2020/03/12/17/02/cardiologists-insights-from-treating-covid-19-patients-in-china
Good! Nice to know that my heart is probably not affected.
LOL well at least we HOPE not!
I really want more data on this one though, you know. Going to have to keep an eye out.
You have a heart?
Don’t tell China! 😉
Dr Ge – “pointing to an acute inflammatory response.”
Another benefit of Hydroxychloroquine’s use in arthritis which attacks the immune system..it has anti-inflamatory benefits!
Don’t take Trump-recommended aquarium cleaner, asshoe!
You mean DO!!!!
DO IT, Fredo !!!
Gotta stop lickin’ them toilet seats. But . . . hard habit to break!
My first thought is: I wonder if he will accept the Trump Treatment if offered? Wonder if he will even ask for it?
Wonder how they found it – why he was tested? He doesn’t seem to be displaying symptoms…
explanation here – he was exposed to others who have tested positive and has shown symptoms. Pray for his wife/children to not have already caught it between his exposure and his symptoms & test.
VERY interested to know his choices in treatment
Paper on how viral infection loves glucose. So, keep your blood sugar low. Keto, low carb, carnivore diet for the win. Fasting will drive you BG down in a hurry which is why I stay fasted when I do my business trips.
Makes sense – I used to get a cold every year after Christmas binging on desserts, cookies, candy.
Pretty much what Dr Shiva Ayyudurai suggests. Low sugar, high vitamin A and D. Exercise. Sleep. Organic foods.
If this is true, great. But how long will it take the FDA to test and approve it?
California Pandemic Scientist Says His Team Has Found Potential Cure for COVID-19 Virus (Video)
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/03/california-pandemic-scientist-says-his-team-has-found-potential-cure-for-covid-19-virus-video/
It’s good to have lots of arrows in your quiver, but since we apparently have a winner in HCQ, Z-Paks and zinc, speed of testing and approval may not be critical.
As long as that works as it is reported to work, I would be inclined to use that over anything else as it is a known entity with long track record of use.
Have instructed husband that if I should get the virus and if it should take a turn for the worse and I can not speak for myself to demand the Trump Treatment! sign any paper, any waiver, demand right to try, etc., do whatever he has to do to get me the Trump Treatment and that only – no other new drug trials or tests. And to call it! 🙂 He agrees and said same.
Exactly. Don’t get talked into a new CABAL drug where you die and Bill and Hill Clinton make money.
Worldometers shows 20,297 new cases for all of yesterday. We already have more new cases than that today. We are definitely not at the peak. Unless this is due to a lot more testing today.
My bad. We currently have 12,000 new cases today.
Food for thought from the Health Ranger:
https://www.naturalnews.com/2020-03-30-nearly-every-person-dying-from-coronavirus-three-things-in-common.html
From the article:
This is an analysis based on current knowledge, not from any published study (yet), but based on everything we know so far, we believe the vast majority of people dying from the coronavirus have one or more of the following things in common:
#1) Chronic zinc deficiency, often stemming from over-consumption of processed foods that lack minerals
#2) Hypertension (high blood pressure)
3) Taking prescription medications (specifically, high blood pressure meds)
We believe these things based on rational observations of who is currently being hit the hardest by the coronavirus. The hypertension link to coronavirus fatalities has been widely reported. Even weeks ago, Bloomberg.news ran a story entitled, “Top Coronavirus Doctor in Wuhan Says High Blood Pressure Is Major Death Risk.” That story reports:
Just high blood pressure and diabetes are 130 Million Americans (although there maybe some overlap between the two diagnosis). Over all, 60% of Americans have “underlying health conditions”
This is interesting and sounds like a very good idea:
“Bhattacharya is part of a group of scientists launching a new, landmark study this week to answer that question. They plan to begin by using a new coronavirus antibody test to sample 5,000 people grocery shopping from geographically representative samples around Santa Clara county.
“Such studies aim to yield the most accurate fatality rate so far. Even more important, perhaps, we will learn who has gotten coronavirus and fought it off, but never knew it. These people could go about their business in the nation because they would have antibodies theoretically protecting them from a recurrence, and would be of no danger to those who have not had coronavirus.”
Notice that when guys like Solomon get involved you can count on three things, facts, TRUTH, AND a connection to the Cabal. This is about to get VERY interesting.
ground report from greater Nash area. we went early v. the usual after work. If we are going to go want to be there when cleanest and most well stocked (although trucks could come in later in the day, still best stocked in am)
PPE: Husband as worn is N99 mask + gloves for several weeks when shopping. First time, some looks and even snickers at him. He didn’t care. He was the only one he saw taking this precaution.
Second, time few others in masks, more with gloves on. he had some curious looks but no one laughing at him or making jokes.
Third time, PPE on more people and no one gave him a 2nd look that he noticed
Today, PPE more common than not he estimates 60% had masks of some sort and gloves. Most were using disposable masks. good! People are taking this more seriously
Costco:
-used to be open at 10 am. opening now at 8 am. web site still says old hours.
-keeping hours for seniors from 8-9 am when store is cleanest, less crowded and as fully stocked as possible. some seniors came at 9 am but no special privileges at that time. then had to wait in line with everyone else.
– Limiting # of customers inside at once. After a certain #, then they wait until 10 come out and then they let 10 customers in. Seems pretty empty of customers and lines are easy because they are limiting how many can shop at one time.
– not letting customers get own carts. roped off. giving them to customers as they got to the front of the line and wiping them down as they gave them out.
-TP: had both charman and costco brand. not in its usual place. Behind a roped off area inaccessible to customers. Customers receive a ticket while waiting in line if they want TP, I guess so people don’t make a mad dash for the TP first. 1 per customer. Low stock but there. Looked like a lot but we were 30th customer after senior hours so don’t know if last the day as not usual amount. IDK
-they had paper towels but we don’t know if they were limited as we don’t buy paper towels. No hand sanitizer or clorox wipes
-no limits on anything else that we know of including Dog Food – that was an issue last week, running low and putting limits and other area stores were low (this according to friends but we only saw that at Costco as we had bought extra at the beginning of Feb, just in case as our big dog would not understand not having a full food bowl at all times!). anyway, plenty of dog food today w/no limits, at least at Costco
-most sock seemed some less than normal but stocked. They had EGGS!!! Yeah! Out of our last 3 weeks, first time they had fresh eggs! 1 week we bought the packaged boiled eggs as that was all that was left and 2x completely out. plenty and no limits
(side story: husband & son went to the store and I stayed home. Husband came to tell me all of the updates. We heard son walking in, heard loud bump and then crash of many items…..both us, “Was that the EGGS?!” in panicky voices. Nope, other stuff, all non breakable. Whew! We have back up eggs that I dehydrated but they are not as good as fresh!)
-Meat was LOW and NONE. Beef was back (completely out last time) but low. Chicken was very low – eps. fresh chicken but there were no limits. All the raw/fresh chicken was 1 layer across the refrigerator case. Had organic chicken breasts (we almost always buy thighs as less expensive so that is a treat we are forced to buy) and no non organic (which was ok by us). Will have run out earlier this morning unless a shipment comes. No whole chickens so we bought a case of bone broth to make up for no homemade. Plenty of store bought broth.
Kroger:
-carts being handed out and wiped down but no restrictions on how many in the store.
-Pasta, paper products, mac n cheese, frozen sections bare as well as chicken – gone
We don’t buy as much there so didn’t look at every section
He brought me pictures as I haven’t been in the stores since first case announced here in TN. Hard to imagine empty meat cases in Costco and empty shelves in Kroger but he has shown me pictures each time.
TN shutting down more as of tonight (or was it last night). We are good for now. Have checked on neighbors and no one needs anything.
forgot: plexiglass installed for cashiers
https://www.projectveritas.com/news/army-national-guard-says-covid-19-media-coverage-overblown-its-the-flu-im-in/
Don’t know if this has been put up yet, if it has sorry for the repeat.
Scroll up a bit for the video.
Ground report west Denver small town … large grocery King Soopers (Kroger) not busy at all this morning. Clerks restocking everywhere and all were in good spirits and most appreciative when I thanked each of them for working, and told them how much we need them.
No trouble finding fresh produce. Lots of soups and canned vegies & fruits, but several varieties of canned beans quite low. Plenty of eggs, milk, cheese. Low to no paper products, and low on dish detergent, but fully stocked on laundry detergent. All other aisles were fully stocked.
Delivery trucks arriving this afternoon with paper products, etc. The 6′ spacing floor markers are now in place at checkout, pharmacy and plexiglass up at all stations. Cart guy wiping down every cart and designating which ones are clean.
Stock clerks wearing masks and gloves; some customers with both; some with gloves (me); some with nothing.
All in all, a calm and fruitful forage (most likely cuz I left Hub at home 🤣)
Wow. These countries are treating old people like they don’t even exist:
” One by one, elderly residents of French nursing homes are going into forced isolation into their rooms. Their caregivers are walling themselves in as well, against both the known and the unknown. They are running out of body bags.
Governments in Europe’s hardest-hit countries — Italy, Spain and France — are not routinely testing for coronavirus among elderly residents who fall ill in nursing homes or even those who eventually die there, including those who suffered from symptoms of the disease.
The three countries together make up around a third of the global pandemic’s confirmed cases, and the lack of testing leaves hundreds, potentially thousands, of victims of the disease uncounted as health authorities try to trace its path, The Associated Press has found…”
https://apnews.com/44b668a1e983f4f7c06e47f102307819
FDA: 10 Coronavirus Treatments in active trials.
FDA – HCQ approval
This is flat-out brilliant messaging. We’re talking major leagues here, folks. No one can touch this.
China Virus Task Force briefing will likely be inside due to rain – https://www.weather.gov/Radar
The President, inside, should Skype it to a big interactive TV screen, outside.
https://twitter.com/alison4trump/status/1245087713566523392?s=21
Not sure I understand the text – is this test accurate ??
What I do not understand is CALIFORNIA!
“…In 2018, there were 129,972 people on the streets on any given night statewide…”
*https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2019-08-01/california-homeless-people-housing-national-model-conference
BUT:
“…nearly 246,000 students from kindergarten through high school were homeless in 2018…”
https://calmatters.org/housing/homeless/2020/01/homeless-point-in-time-count-california-inaccurate-politicized-fresno/
Some of these homeless like to travel to the airports to sleep or panhandle before returning to the city for drugs….
IS ANYONE TESTING THE HOMELESS?
What about the death rates? Anyone keeping track of the # of deaths and cause?
the CREEPING CRUD nearing 6,400 in Florida….ugh…
Major hospital chain: Board of Directors will not take pay for the rest of the year; all execs taking 30% cut, CEO donating all salary for next 2 months to employee fund; significant sector of employees laid off/put on stand by with 70% pay until mid may and will go from there depending on conditions (already had 1 round of layoffs); all non essential projects on hold
anyone on clinical side will receive full pay regardless of PTO while recovering if contract WuFlu
beginning to provide childcare, lodging, laundry, meals for clinal workers. some do not want to go home in case infected and don’t want to spread to family between time of infection and symptoms. all was mentioned in press conference yesterday that they are now allowed to do and they are doing it.
As the briefing addressed yesterday – hospitals are having cash flow issues because they have canceled all elective surgeries, great reduction in incoming cash & at the same time are spending big $ to prepare (supplies, equipment).
healthcare systems have been pulling LONG hours to ramp up new programs, to solve problems, etc., in every area of the support system from financial to HR to regulatory oversight to informatics to the C suite. LONG hours.
If you see results on the ground and think, no way could they have made these changes this quickly! They started all of this long time ago as part of a Chinese plan….NOPE (there is a china plan and this is an attack – I am pretty sure) these people are working and working, some ideas you see now were just 1 of several to solve that problem and now one was picked and executed all in the last weeks.
Just because it looks hard to have done in a short time does not mean it is impossible.
Don’t chalk up to conspiracy/negative plan what is really Great American workmanship, can do attitude and get ‘er done determination in face of this attack. That is a disservice to Many great American men and women in the gov, military, health care and private industry of all sorts.
PS:
first thing I thought when I heard Pence talk about the new reporting info that they will now be gathering from points of care? A team has been working day/night to get a new dashboard build and a reporting program/data base to receive, process, store and run reports for all of that data. And will keep doing so as kinks/bugs crop up. They must be exhausted!
second thing I thought: Great strategy – going to Pence, by passing CDC and any potential resistors/deep staters, etc.
But putting that together so quickly? Not suspicious – admirable!
Must be a for-profit hospital …as far as I know non-profits do not pay their Board members.
Yes, it is a company not an org. or church own hospital system. A healthcare company/business.
And I asked if this was public info before posting – lessons learned! 🙂
And thankfully, yes we do have private/”for-profit” hospitals & healthcare systems. Capitalism and free market healthcare is a key issue that conservatives are fighting for and that Dems want to demolish as they want it all non profit and gov run. I don’t think the Dems would be satisfied with only removing for profit. It is my impression that they want all gov.
Lots of non-profits are community-owned, not affiliated with any organizations, religion, etc.
In my experience, many times the for-profits are run managed in a more efficient manner.
IHME Model Chris Murray – Slide looks like a hurricane cone 😉
CDC is listing dead at 2860. According to the models, we will hit at least 100,000 dead in the next two weeks at the peak. Maybe 200,00 with the mitigation. I think the models are as reliable as climate change models. If the body count stays low come two weeks there will be riots against these idiots in government.
This is literally NOT true. President Trump and his team Never ever said 100-200K deaths in the next 2 weeks. Deaths are not supposed to peak in the next two weeks – new diagnosis peak. BIG differences.
Please understand the info so that we don’t start our own fake news/misinformation. We say this now and then people will criticize in 2 weeks when we do not have 100-200K deaths.
They are not saying 100-200K deaths in the next 2 weeks. They just addressed this in the press conference.
In 2 weeks – surge of New Cases. Then New cases continue but fewer new cases (if all goes well) per day although some places will have localized surges. This means the Most cases in one day in the US may happen, our peak of new cases in about 2 weeks.
That does not mean that all of our new cases are will be over. It means that the highest point of new cases will happen and then fewer cases from there … All dependent on doing what we are doing now to get the lowest #s of cases possible.
The death of the cases does not take place at the exact same time as the cases are diagnosed/tested. The deaths “lag”, come later as the cases resolve, as the patients pass away or recover.
Recoveries, in most cases, are taking longer to recover than to pass away although some do linger before passing. Point is, newly diagnosed will peak and then those patients work their way through their viruses and recover or pass away over the next days and weeks.
I am watching the news conference and I saw the slides. DEAD is what was shown and what they said. Now I know why people were getting tired of your arrogant bullshit.
Uh, maybe, just maybe, the correct interpretation IS over the course of the curve rise and fall, the projected death toll is 100K-200K total. Based on the model. As opposed to in the next two weeks.
IMO, Maga Mom explained reality pretty clearly.
“I am watching the news conference and I saw the slides. DEAD is what was shown and what they said. Now I know why people were getting tired of your arrogant bullshit.”
Seriously? Unbelievable.
Watch if for yourself with close caption. find some news articles. go to the website Dr. Birx recommended. Educate yourself before you curse at someone and say such ugly things.
waste of my time.
I get this on social media … don’t need it from supposed MAGA voters and supposedly fellow Trump supporters.
There is too much fake news happening here on this issue and too many ignoring President Trump’s leadership.
Why did I explain in detail above that no, not 100-200K in the next 2 weeks? Because it is fake news and misinformation based on misunderstanding that would further erode confidence in President Trump’s leadership and him asking us to stay home, etc. + would lead others to endanger themselves and others by thinking it didn’t come true so all must be a hoax.
So explaining for your benefit, safety and to support President Trump. And so you & MAGA don’t loose credibility if you take this fake news/misinformation onto social media.
I will spend my “spare” time fighting for President Trump on social media instead of having to fight with people to Trust Trump here and at least there I expect this name calling, cursing and rudeness from leftist and trolls and am prepared.
Trust Trump. MAGA Vote Trump 2020.
(Insert some of Wolf’s vocal here)
I took it as though they were talking about dead people not cases.
Am I missing something?
They went over it several times.
Here is the model Dr. Birx referred to on Sunday and again yesterday. 100-200K total. highest day of any one day is ~3K
100-200K total if we all do what we President Trump is making us to do.
https://covid19.healthdata.org/projections
:28 mark
totals of the different curves – the labels happen to be placed at the top of the peak on the graphs but is not how much at the peak
All deaths lag behind diagnosis as it takes time for the patient’s case to resolve in death/recovery After diagnosis.
They refine the models 2x a day based on incoming data so it gets more refined as time goes on as we get the data back on how we are affecting the original projections by following President Trump’s leadership and requests of us.
No, he didn’t say that many at the peak. But that many total for the entire cone, which would be a couple months.
He has said now about 15 times. “At least 100,000 people dead in a very short period of time”.
Very short period of time…as in the next 6 – 8 weeks. Whatever collective time their chart said on the horizontal axis.
Holly shit. I guess my hearing loss from working in boiler rooms has finally caught up to me. My bad. I obviously did not hear right. Probably should get my vision checked while I am at it.
Its all in fun. We live and learn.
Boiler rooms as in USN 600 / 1200 lb systems.
Wasn’t a snipe, but surely appreciated the BTs and such that managed the boilers…
Yes. Two 600’s and my last was a 1200 on CG-21, Gridley.
Quite doubtful we bumped into each other.
That said, was in Yokosuka 87-91 and rather sure we delivered some ordnance either pier side or at anchor.
Then CTF-73/75, 91-95, (Subic then Singapore) as SEVENTHFLT Ordnance Logistics.
Models are models——NOT scientifically performed studies. Also, WHO is reporting this information from these models—–ie, what is that person’s history/agenda/hoped for outcome…….?
I think you missed my link to climate models. All this data is crap.
Here it is!
Both yesterday and today, the press conferences are focused on the data, the #s and how/why they are making decisions and what we need to do.
Aslo, tactfully, hammering NYC for their foolishness in lack of mitigation.
WH & President Trump are explaining over and over again why we need to stay home, not get infected and not spread the virus. We don’t want anywhere else to be like NJ and NYC. but it is up to each of us to do our part, our patriotic part in this mobilization against an attack against the US.
Trust Trump – listen to him in person at this press conference. Understand he is working hard to keep the #s very low. Cooperate with President Trump. We elected him to be our leader – now we need to follow the leader we elected!
Trump is MEGA-MAGA-PRESIDENTIAL – but even MOAR!!! He’s like BUSINESS TITAN VS. THE VIRUS!!!
I can’t say enough good about him. watching him through this has been amazing.
I used to think – as great as Washington. Nope – GREATEST ever. Not just his policies but getting things done, handling so many issues at once, problem solving, etc.
I just can’t praise him enough. My only regret is that I didn’t do more to elect him by a bigger number.
Oh my Wolfie—-that is a mouthful ! the FACTS we need to know jump right out. Thanks!
So it seems people are bored and running around Walmart and home depot with one-week-old babies. Rolls eyes. Yeah I’m staying at home.
Funny thing is all the neighbors are chatting over the fences. Lots of gardening and yard work going on. Its like this:
THESE are available for keeping babies safe….
yeah but still why bring the whole family to walk around walmart for two hours. They are going to get these stores to close if they keep this up.
Why? Because they haven’t got good sense! Some people can’t cook for their families….can’t clean, cook, sew…. they don’t know how to hunker down, play card and board games, sing together, etc.
LOL Turn on the TV, play video games, check the FB. LOL
The one person who lives close to us only plays video games. Get this he went for a walk today!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
“….why bring the whole family to walk around walmart for two hours….”
They want to earn Darwin awards???
The parking lot at Lowes Home Improvement was slam pack full when I drove by. I have never seen it that full!
I had to get feed and the store owner was very nice. Opened 1/2 hour early for me and loaded everything into my truck where it stayed in the full sun all day to get the bags sterilized.
Husband laughing out loud at this comment.
Good for you, LP.
Hope Big T is back at the top of his game.
LOL love it.
Home Depots lot was packed!!! Crazy!
WE WANT HCQ + ZPAKS!!!
The agenda21 or 30 crowd has shot themselves in the foot with this one…if I was younger and all in on the live sustainably, close together, share bathrooms, etc etc….not after this, I’d be thinking of getting me a place in the country .
I’ve lived in rural areas. I’ll stick to a city with green space like my hometown. Rural is not for everyone. Neither is the ‘burbs. Nor the city.
We can have a variety.
Just saying…this may change the perception that living on top of each other may have some unexpected downside. Living in a single family home in a nice neighborhood is a world away from living in an apartment building where a thousand people touch doors, washing machines, stair rails, elevator buttons even if there’s a fantastic park nearby.
Ugh. press conference talking about vaccinations. Yuck.
But also talking huge list of treatments being addressed that are being tested. Trump Treatment esp.
Drugs that already exist are faster because just testing with this disease v. general use.
Vaccines – emergency use early, mentioned this summer or fall. Double Ugh! Don’t want that pressure.
POTUS: doctors using Trump Treatment. mentioning that some medical workers are using it as a preventative. LOVE his man. Getting the word out to medical professionals before the FDA is getting the world out. He Forces everyone onto Trump Time!!!
Acosta trying to make his mark today by asking what are the models if you had taken these actions, if we had done mitigation back in feb. would more lives had been saved?
If President Trump had done more sooner the left and Dem’s would have screamed bloody murder.
Even waiting until March when we all knew it was here and should have known what was coming – the Dems, the media and even conservatives and even MAGA supporters *still* aren’t fully supportive of our President Trump and his leadership and recommendations.
even here on this blog, many dedicated Trump supporters and MAGA voters, readers right here, are still not fully supportive even now when we have proof that President Trump is Right and doing a Tremendous job.
Acosta sucks and his drilling down on this lack of Feb action by POTUS. 3rd time he is asking. he sucks.
emphasizing prevention strategy by travel bans
moved to mitigation in feb and began all the things that you see now.
Emphasizing that it is up to Each and Everyone of us to stop/slow the spread which helps reduce cases + reduce the surge burden on our health care system/hospitals.
Pence: “we must preserving our medical capacity” so that those that are sick and in the hospital can be properly treated.
What the President did was triggered by the WHO announcement screaming the word “PANDEMIC!” – it was the plannedemic trigger for this phase.
That projection chart has an awfully wide plume of variable.
IOW, they have no idea what’s going to happen.
Fine. I’ll work on my summer tan every day the sun is out. I can’t get arrested for being in my own back yard, can I?
Not yet.
Probability of the model being realistic depends on the degree to which it is skewed because of current New York & New Jersey data being so high that other states never match, and the degree to which other states either “naturally” differ from those two or the way other states are successful at mitigation.
Urban vs rural is a huge factor, but so is the level of cooperation from citizens.
I worry about Florida and Louisiana for various reasons.
I was thinking more along the lines of the prognosticators CYAing.
That goes without saying 🤓
But today’s tone and presentation were different. They now have enough data from states to really show us, the public, that stopping the transmission is the key, and that our actions do matter. Not news to most of us here.
I wish they hadn’t thrown out the 100k-200k, because I think the graphs were stark enough to get the point across, but the media would hound them until they put a number to it.
The state-by-state graph was fascinating, even if it was hard to discern my own state’s line.
100,000-200,000 is pretty darn good, IMHO. Birx and Fauci have done a good job to narrow it down to a binary order. I’m actually impressed.
I agree, Wolf. Today was a very important presser, and the whole team came through with data and explanations. How it gets falsely reported and misinterpreted is out of their/our control, but it appeared the press pool today was listening.
Oh yea. Today’s presentation was clear and based on data.
Two thoughts. States need to follow guidance and NOT act like NY and NJ early on. folks behave, numbers will come in lower than projected.
^^^ Collective data projection largely based on NY and NJ being farkeled.up.
We have a wild card of sorts. Betting HCQ and Zpaks NOT factored into model. HCQ and Zpak use should drive deaths way down. My hope anyway.
That’s a great point, Kal about whether the models took into account the treatments!!
AMEN. That’s what I’m thinking, too. And there may be more than one joker in the deck to make things go our way!
Remember – NO CHICOMS are coming here. Aw, too bad. And funny thing – now we have MOTIVE on the ChiComs to LIE about the state of the pandemic there. They never had time to deliver the KNIFE to America. Try to FAKE a clean-up and BEG TRUMP TO OPEN THE GATES.
AW, TOO BAD!!! Maybe it should STAY THAT WAY, TOO.
Can’t trust CCP. CCP is ASSHOE.
A really bad flu season.
Well I’d expect it in this video
Good. Really focusing on this a couple of different times in press conference.
This guy is a TOOL. People DIED because of this TOAD.
I wonder if NV is also behind the curve in trying to get the meds or if they’ve been hoarding or if Harry’s goons will confiscate some and rescue the gov’s ass.
100% I’d bet there is NO shortage of HCQ in NV.
1. FEMA in every state is engaged. 2) Seemingly President Trump or VP Pence has a governors TELCON daily. NV asshats only need to request assistance with gaining HCQ…reasonable patient HCQ details (Ongoing and logical projection details), and there every need will be filled.
Same crap we hear about the ventilators. No hospital is going without. Ventilators are being shipped to meet demand and defendable emerging demand.
Its all common sense.
I am very glad he is talking so often to the governors.
The tweet says all his decisions were based on the experts.
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So why the fuck is he the governor? He’s unnecessary if experts are running the show.
Typical of the “not me” excuse I remember from childhood:
Wordpiss again.
As posted above, Siaolak “chief” medical officer is NOT even board certified in the US.
Perfect example of crisis mismanagement. Rule of thumb when I was working was, 1) identify the problem, 2) identify one or moar solutions, 3) pick the best solution and execute.
Sisolak and his idiot minion are failures.
Sisolak epitomizes, POS. NV Chief Medical Officer (charitable description) below. Multiple sources on web…
FTA
Nevada Governor Sisolak’s Chief Medical Officer Who Banned Hydroxychloroquine for Treating Coronavirus DOES NOT Have License to Practice Medicine.
*https://www.lucianne.com/2020/03/31/nevada_governor_sisolaks_chief_medicalbrofficer_who_banned_hydroxychloroquinebrfor_treating_coronavirus_does_not_havebrlicense_to_practice_medicine_30759.html
But, undoubtedly, he completely fills the shoes of being a medical EXPERT.
OAN – back to Trump Treatment.
They are doing a great job. She is pushing Fauci
He is insisting on randomized controlled trial. She is saying many trials around the word.
She did a great job on pushing forward.
Most of us have read about the advantages of Hydroxychloroquine, Chloroquine, + ZPack + Zinc supplement to treat the symptoms of Chinese Flu.
Although Chloroquine has been used for over 50 yrs with billions of prescriptions, the medical community, the Leftist MSM, and at times, the FDA have severely cautioned the public against widespread use.
Cuz we might die from the medicine, as opposed to dying from the virus?
Nonetheless, Dr Fauci calls for double blind clinical trials to “be sure” of the efficacy of the meds……. while at the same time, Dr. Fauci disregards/condemns/criticizes as “anecdotal” all studies done in other countries for a multitude of reasons.
Do you realize, in order to be in a double blind clinical trial, you may be in the half of the group who gets no meds, only a placebo.
Would you volunteer?
Or would you rather be assured of lifesaving meds in the midst of a global pandemic?
I’m not sure if we have time, during a war, for a traditional blue-ribbon study, as Dr Fauci desires, but we are doing it. 1100 people are part of the study in NY.
Meanwhile, the FDA reversed course and with an Emergency Order to allow the disbursement of Hydroxychloroquine and Chloroquine.
Given the opportunity to try his double blind tests, I’d demand, “Right To Try”. As you point out and many have, we know HCQ side effects.
Now talking about illegally impeaching him + FBI … will not talk about it now – mentions Horowitz report, McCabe, Comey, etc.
Says country is not going to take it .. will talk about it later
phony impeachment, hoax
He asks the reporters if they ever run out of questions.
I would like to see the reporters with no cell phones/internet connected devices because my suspicion is that many of them are fed questions v. coming up with them on their own.
POTUS mentioning the NY didn’t buy their ventilators when they had the chance.
Also, mardi gras and LA.
homeless in CA – POTUS, I know it bothers the governor but do not know if it bothers Nancy
snort laugh, he went there!
These agenda questions from the press – these LOADED TRICK QUESTIONS – so terrible. These “press” are communist ASSHOES. They are not good journalists. I’m better. YOU’RE better.
Enemy of the people.
“Mr. President, do you think your statement two weeks ago that we have a handle on this might have given people false hope [and, by implication, caused them to not be careful, get sick, and die]?”
It’s a gotcha question asked for the sole purpose of attacking and accusing Pres. Trump. Enemies, indeed, of us all.
UGH – acosta Again
what a jerk
He is explaining when he said calming statements that was leadership and attitude but he was focused on solutions and hope, encouragement even while he was mobilizing and making tremendous strides to mitigate and prepare.
Trust Trump – he takes it seriously and needs us to help him mitigate/slow the spread.
Acosta has pissed so many people even the Cabal is going to turn against him 😛
Trump ran Acosta like a hunting dog today.
Question: Why aren’t more companies offering free shipping on everything? Like Kohls or lowes.
I’d be buying more online. This would also help by getting us to NOT go into stores.
There is no such thing as “free shipping”, Kea.
They just add the cost of the shipping into the price of the items they’re selling.
So you’re still paying for shipping.
Calling it “free shipping” is a marketing gimmick.
True. It just seems that companies would be jumping on this asap. I guess not.
Most of the ‘big box’ stores already offer online shopping.
A lot of smaller regional stores are starting to offer ‘curbside pickup’ where customers can phone in and order and pick it up outside the store.
🙂
Yes but sadly like some plants I want its in store only!!! 🙁 I’ll have to wait.
Uh….there are TWO cruise ships wanting to come into FL…
Putting this here for those who understand the medical terms – the whole thread is infomative & seems legit
Very interesting!
Have they ever addressed why the massive unhealthy homeless population hasn’t been literally wiped out by this?i
No one will ask that question (I did a few days ago 🤓). It does not make sense that it didn’t hit those camps early and hard!
Agree, makes no sense at all
Alison: ‘ It does not make sense that it didn’t hit those camps early and hard!’
Could it be that it wasn’t intended for those folks?
NY–Chinese New Year, promoted by who? plus agency heads. (not Fed)
New Orleans-Marti Gras, promoted by who? plus agency heads (not Fed)
FL-Spring break–Promoted? by who? (not Fed) (not Gov?)
Infection and distribution= proven hot spots?
West coast has low numbers. Travel ban? Concerts canceled?
There was also a special Carnival Mardi Gras cruise ship coming into New Orleans at Mardi Gras.
All good thoughts, Tom. Thanks!
It just seems like the homeless are in every city and have many compromised immune systems, not to mention their living conditions. It’d be great if this virus spares them, but it still confounds me!
Maybe it did hit the homeless and was never diagnosed. Deaths written off with whatever “cause of death” was easily justified.
Just because POTUS doesn’t always say the worst case – take him seriously but not always literally in his general statements. Watch his actions and follow his leadership.
He has asked us day after day to social distance, to say home, to shut down, to take hygiene seriously, to not go grab masks in the store or ordering online so that medical staff can use them but that they are a good idea and cover your mouth with a scarf if you don’t have mask – listen to him!!!
He is our quarterback or coach (i am not a sports person so figure which I mean! ha) so we need to play the calls He makes. Trust Trump!
Trust Trump. Sure, we already Know to ignore the drama, fake news and worst case of media…but that does NOT mean to flip to the extreme opposite – that there is No emergency. Neither is true. Truth is in the middle, mixed in with fake news.
POTUS – Pence working literally 24 hrs a day at times to make all of this happen. (same for navy getting those ships out early, private industry, gov, etc. – all working Very hard!)
Just remember the first day the press asked about masks was yesterday and then again today and they still have not grasped that the mask is primarily to prevent too much spread of CV from the asymptomatic spreader. The protection the mask affords an un-effected person is secondary to that but definitely an added value even at the scarf level which is 50% if made of cotton blend.
I find it amazing that just because the WHO recommends that the general public not wear masks that everyone accepts that evil advice. It’s taking far too long to break the code on something that should be common sense for living in a hot or even a warm spot but I think were going to get there.
“He loves Jesus.”
WOW. That is some fearless belief right there!
That was very nice – moving! He is so genuine, real and transparent.
I can understand more than ever why men who have been in battle with great leaders, why they will follow those leaders anywhere. I have read about that in many wars throughout US history and of course, Gen. Washington is famous for how loyal his men were to him by the end of the war.
I get that and I have never been under literal fire. Loyalty earned over and over again by this man
I was driving home yesterday listening to the press conference (husband said not 1 word about hour+ of video data – isn’t he good to me?!) and I was so moved, moved to tears, when God was brought to the national stage by Pillow manufacturing man yesterday. Outstanding. Just a natural part of his life and our WH but not being pushed. Some people think being pushed just because mentioned.
masks – cdc recommending that because “true” or to save for medical workers.
Answer by Birx: under discussion. recommend if you are ill and if you have a sick person at home. But under discussion what to recommend.
Again, President Trump emphasizing using scarfs, if you don’t have masks.
I may start doing a scarf / bandana.
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Perfect!!!
Wolfie, as I said on the other page double the upper part over so it is four ply. That gives you much more filtration.
Can also slip a piece of vacuum bag between the layers to increase filtration
I have a few of these,
Now that’s interesting!!!
Press AGENDA QUESTION tried to insert a CANKLEBOT into the decision chain of command.
PENCE puts a WOODEN STAKE IN IT with his answer.
FUCK YOU, COMMUNIST PRESSTITUTES.
No “Incident Commander” you PIECES OF SHIT.
Pence is also impressive in this emergency. Have been impressed.
And his handling of the press is style his own style, his own speaking style, his own personality but he has toughened and learned to handle the press!
Yes – Pence is really proving himself under fire.
Actually Pence has a much better speaking style than President Trump at these press beatings.
Unfortunately President Trump is STUCK having to actually read a written speech so the Fake News can not play ‘I GOTCHA ‘successfully. He is much better when he ad libs.
It’s a good tag team. Trump’s speaking style is a beautiful LASER POINTER and the DIRTY CATS follow it like CRAZY.
Did you see how our VSG BAITED the Fake News with the word “holocaust” but didn’t use it? Oh, the man is a GENIUS. Refused to fall for their games.
BRILLIANT MOVE.
2.2 million. Those are real HITLER HOLOCAUST numbers. Back when the numbers were honest, uninflated, shocking and the scholars properly divided up the different groups the NAZIS killed – of which there were many. Several came in at various MILLIONS.
CHINAZIS.
The VSG never said it, but we can see it.
Sorry for the cursing, but I can see communist tactics with my eyes closed. I despise these communists and useful idiots disguised as journalists.
First, your blog, your rules.
Second, Those are the words we have for expressing intense emotions…understandable in these circumstances.
We homeschool…my son knows some of the words…and he learned them from homeschool…I tried to blame it on the movies husband and he watch…but, no, its me, from back in the day…still in there and comes out at intense moments.
Yes, this virus is an attack. Yes, many expected it and are still trying to use it for their own purposes.
We are at war with an invisible enemy of the virus…which I think is more of an invisible attack against some known/suspected enemies.
When we understand the reality of this thing being here – intense emotions and reactions are expected and appropriate.
I read about the bombers in WWII. The commanders at the top kept forcing the bombers to go out. EVERY. SINGLE. DAY. WITHOUT. FAIL. WITHOUT. STOPPING. KEEP. GOING. KEEP. FIGHTING. NO. BREAKS. NEVER. STOPPING. RELENTLESS. WITHOUT. REST. WITHOUT. FURLOUGH. JUST. KEEP. THEM. FLYING. AND. DON’T. LET. UP. NO. MATTER. HOW. TIRED.
It was the Patton mindset in the air campaign. If you are tired and hungry and need a rest the enemy feels even worse than you do, so ATTACK while he is weak.
Trump just went two and a half hours of HAND TO HAND COMBAT with these JACKALS.
He is wearing them down and wearing them out.
Not just the press corps – the networks too.
EVERY NEW DAY IS A CAMPAIGN BATTLE TO WIN.
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
Dont mean to step on your post, Mike, but what you read about our bombers in WWII is not true.
The operational tempo you speak of didnt happen because it was both unsustainable and unrealistic, for a host of reasons, including….and most especially….bad weather. And europe has lots of bad weather all the time. WWII bombers were 100% dependent upon being able to visually see the target from altitude. Tens of thousands of missions were scrubbed throughout the war in all theaters because of overcast skies. In fact, during the Battle of the Bulge, the bad weather was a KEY factor in the early successes of that last german offensive of the war, because by that time the allies had established air superiority. HOWEVER thick, overcast skies kept our fighters and bombers grounded for almost two solid weeks. Were it not for that bad weather and the german exploitation of it, Bastone and the Bulge would not have been what it was.
WOW – that is a YUGE tactical lesson, and we need to adapt it EVERYWHERE.
Many good press conferences but yesterday’s and todays have been two of my favorite. Because most recent in memory or really particularly good? IDK but both have been really great!
Birx – not calling it a “lock down”, just modeled people staying home – trusting people to social distance
We Never modeled people being taken out of their home and put somewhere else….Good to know we didn’t model China’s behavior. And that is what makes me want to scream every time press talks about our #s v. China #s. Want to lock people into their homes like we saw in China? Crazy press/media!
POTUS emphasizing how contagious this virus is.
Our method is 1000 times better than China’s. They were dragging people out of homes for POLITICAL REASONS under cover. Some were probably dying for economics. Some were dying for politics. But they pulled people out to KILL THEM. Pure and simple.
We don’t need that stuff.
We keep people at home so THEY WILL LIVE and OTHERS WILL LIVE. This was one of the smartest ideas ever to beat this bug. It’s simple, but extraordinarily effective. Sylvia and I are proof that it WORKS on both levels.
Very glad that Trump – unlike Obama – is always making the BEST decision – not letting the PRESSTITUTES force BAD POLITICAL DECISIONS on us.
Maybe tomorrow they’ll ask about tossing scarfs into the model… Fauci and Birx might be sweating that question this very minute 😁 Meanwhile POTUS is already ahead with his answers from yesterday and today.
This press conference was one the best and one the most frightening.
Thank God we have VSGPOTUS Trump when we all really needed him.
God Sent!
Brutal truth factually presented. Any other way and Americans wouldn’t pay attention.
Hope MCM covered it. Americans need to hear the unvarnished truth. NOT skewed MCM sound bites.
Loved the 600,000 civil war deaths answer, snatched that one out of the air like zeus grabbing lightning bolts from the sky. VSG is for a reason.
Overall, a much better press conference this time. More RESPECT. Only one really nasty question.
Trump played the fish just right this time!!!
When talking about 2nd wave, etc. again, back to the vaccines.
Interesting that POTUS came back and immediately also mentioned treatments that are proving effective…general reference and non specific….but what hope flares in me is that we will have such effective treatments that at the virus is rendered routine & vaccine only for those who prefer that route &/or who work in healthcare (like flu vaccine is now)
OK – that is it. Have been bed bound for almost 48 hours/Sunday night – but much better so heading outside to enjoy the evening with family doing gardening.
Hope my notes helpful – few direct quotes and obviously notes are filled with my own perspective. 😉
Bigger Hope? Everyone was watching for themselves. so much info
Thank you!
ON MASKS…..
IT IS YOUR BREATH THAT CONTAINS THE VIRUS!!!
There is confusion on this subject so here are various scientific studies.
FLU IN GENERAL
Infectious virus in exhaled breath of symptomatic seasonal influenza cases from a college community
SIX FEET IS ABSOLUTE MINIMUM!
Stand Back: Flu Virus Travels 6 Feet
So if I got this right your saying if some one in the super market breaks out in song I should maybe go down a different aisle? 🐱🚀
SPRINT FOR THE EXIT! 🙃
https://twitter.com/realsaavedra/status/1245137742524104704?s=21
Like this:
https://twitter.com/realsaavedra/status/1245137742524104704
Well, that didn’t work, because Saavedra often deletes and re-posts tweets.
So there you have it! No tweet!
Not sure why this doesn’t show up – a good response by Dr. Birx at today’s presser.
Take out the ? and everything after it…I think that will do it.
Thanks GA 🤓
100K-200K dead Americans if and only if we do everything right.
2.2 million dead Americans if we do not.
Sobering
Peak expected between April 9th-15th.
Watch out. MAGA Mom may come after you for not understanding what was presented at the news conference. I understood things like you did.
Oh, how to react.
Ha ha ha.
I can see by the likes that you all would have rather me not post the press conference clip and the model web site as I did above. Tells me what I need to know about wasting my time further.
Post all you want. Just give us a break from the I am right and the rest of you just don’t know shit.
Apparently I watched a two hour press conference and did not understand a thing the President said.
I LIKE your posts. And your corrections are stated in a factual manner, unlike many of the responders who appear to consider a simple correction or difference of opinion as some kind of attack and then they go right for the personal and start in with their accusations.
It’s okay.
Missouri is expected to peak in May.
WTF?????
I can’t deal with the couch commando AND Dad for six more weeks without being able to escape to work.
The couch commando is idle until the pools reopen. Please, pray for me.
WHAT! Hell to the no!
So, CNN did not cover the beginning of the presser with the President but did go to the presser when Birx and Fauchi came in.
Unreal.
That tells you Who Fauci works for.
Seems Fauci was cozy with Hillary and Podesta…
https://search.wikileaks.org/?query=fauci&exact_phrase=&any_of=&exclude_words=&document_date_start=&document_date_end=&released_date_start=&released_date_end=&new_search=True#results
The Birx results look like routine work esp. in comparison.
https://search.wikileaks.org/?query=Birx&exact_phrase=&any_of=&exclude_words=&document_date_start=&document_date_end=&released_date_start=&released_date_end=&new_search=True#results
Sylvia 😂😂😂🤷♀️🤷♀️
LOL divorce in 3,2,1…..
“Hi I’m harry can I take your order please?”
Do you want fries with that?
Kea 😂😂😂
Harry: “Grammy, I wanna come home to the castle.”
LOL
Well, he was royalty, so would be more than qualified to work at Burger King…
Oh snap!!!!!! Give him the little paper crown.
“Welcome to Walmart” 😉
LOL Wasn’t he all about the little people? Now he can live like one 🤣
Me laughing!!! Have you seen the empty theaters are nowadays? You show sports. LOL
This is a the headline I really didn’t want to post the link. Its easy to find in a simple search.
“AMC CEO hopes theaters will reopen by mid-June, optimistic moviegoers will return in droves”
Yeah I’m just laughing.
Something needs to give. Cable TV SUCKS!
Have you tried the small YouTube channels? Lots of good stuff to be found. Mysteries and what not. My fav is this one:
https://m.youtube.com/channel/UCirFhr1Yk2ULP5cniE96S1g
Isn’t it amazing how irrelevant Hollywood and Sports stars have become?
I miss hockey.
Yup I’m loving it!
They were ALWAYS irrelevant.
It’s just that now almost everyone knows it.
I think the ‘entertainment ‘ sphere will be surprised at how irrelevant they will be when this is all over. It will take years to recover and they will have to become patriotic again.
Bill DeBlasio, in his own words.
https://twitter.com/GA_peach3102/status/1245140971505025024
Yep, but I just talked with a gal who lives just outside NYC and believes ABSOLUTELY everything she hears on CNNMSNBC.
Right down the line she parrots everything they are saying. Our one common point of humanity was the HQC and ZPak treatment…and that was after I sent her numerous links to studies.
de BLAHsio NEEDS TO GO!!! For the benefit of all America.
So, I had a thought…….
Which can be scary sometimes.
I was thinking ….. if logistics wins the war, and we are in a war, then FEDEX should send the President about 500 execs to run the distribution and make sure everything is delivered ON TIME, absolutely, OVER NIGHT.
I was feeling pretty good about that idea.
…… when I remembered that FEDEX learned about logistics from the ARMY.
And the ARMY really is the best in the world when it comes to supply chains.
Oh well…..
That is something other powers have to reckon with.
We can put an army, with all the supplies a modern army is dependent on (no living off the land in the 21st century) ANYWHERE IN THE WORLD.
No other country can do that.
The Brits come close…they were able to kick Argentina out of the Falklands, some eight thousand miles away.
I read a story once…I’ve never been able to confirm it’s true. Anyhow here goes…the USSR was actually planning to Do It in 1983–storm through the Fulda Gap and try to conquer Europe.
Then Argentina seized the Falklands. And Great Britain–not even the most powerful opponent the USSR had, but rather #2–was able to mount an operation eight thousand miles away and kick the Argentines out.
This indicates that the US, a bigger and more capable power, would have had no trouble defending Europe, which is a lot closer than that.
The Russian generals told their intel and political people No Way (and accused them of lying about NATO capabilities, to boot)!
I don’t know if this is true…but if it is, that assclown Galtieri in Argentina saved us from World War III.
Not true. There was no way the USSR could have won an encounter like that. For one thing, they were financially broke trying to keep up with Reagan’s defense spending. The other main deterrent was the A-10 Warthog, which by 1983 had achieved significant numbers and combat readiness in Europe. Make no mistake….the Soviets werent stupid….they realized the lethality of the A-10 against concentrated armor, and history bore that out during the Gulf War in ‘91, where the A-10 went through soviet made armor like a hot knife through warm butter.
Good info that!
Nonetheless, my MAIN point (rather than my mistaken piece of color) remains…we can put people anywhere, and no one else can.
We have stuff in Diego Garcia, just for instance…and that’s pretty much on the other side of the world. Anything we stage from there comes closer to home, unless we go to war over Kerguelen or Amsterdam and St. Paul Islands (the latter two of which are antipodal to eastern Colorado).
The British troop numbers were also like 3,000 to the Argentine 10,000. Then the Argentine’s found out that the British brought along some Gurkha’s. Pretty much a rout at that point. But still an amazing undertaking. Good book on that is One Hundred Days by Admiral Sandy Woodward. Falklands Battle Group Commander.
I remember that time frame as my ship had pulled into Singapore for supplies. We moored next to a British destroyer. They were on their way to the Falkland Islands. We hung out with them on the pier with several trash cans full of beer. Sobering time it was.
Feds have a fmily of shipping modes / methods. FedEx / UPS, TL, LTL, AC freighter service. On demand pick-up, heavy lifting with “last mile” delivery, real time tracking.
I suspect Feds used FedEx or UPS for NY ventilators. Size of shipment and within states. This is why Feds knew exactly where the multiple shipments of ventilators shipped for NY were located. Cuomo ignorantly whined publicly about not getting his ventilators which FEMA / feds promised. Tracking information showed ventilators were received by who, when and where. NJ warehouse. NY guv, his stooges, emergency services…hadn’t a clue.
Also bet Feds gave NY numskulls shipping / tracking information when ventilators shipped. Too incompetent or stoopid to know why they needed shipping / tracking information.
@LarrySchweikart
Super video from NY Hospital Doctor David Price. Low key, non-hysterical reassuring.
They don’t seem worried, must not have gotten the memo~~
https://twitter.com/SantaMonicaProb/status/1244843802273054722
This. This. This. 👇👇👇
https://www.barnhardt.biz/2020/03/31/the-coronacold-lies-are-exactly-the-same-as-the-al-gore-environazi-tactic-except-the-window-of-certain-doom-is-now-weeks-not-years/
I love this guy’s attitude.
https://twitter.com/1776Stonewall/status/1245140581900312579
Colonel Gaston Bell: General McAuliffe refused a German surrender demand. You know what he said?
General George S. Patton: What?
Colonel Gaston Bell: “Nuts!”
Patton: [laughing] Keep them moving, colonel. A man that eloquent has to be saved.
Love it