I originally thought I would write about the voodoo religion and its practices in this post. Others commented both on the value of that, and of the dangers inherent. Upon reflection, what I will write is more of a treatise on how to research and satisfy the curiosity about this kind of thing, and the obstacles you will encounter.
I will also touch on parts of the practice of voodoo, but not delve too deeply. If, however, you don’t want to associate yourself or read any of it, I don’t blame you. There is a warning below for when I get into some detail.
One must be very careful when researching ANY of the occult religions in this day and time. Sadly, there has been such a fascination with them over the past couple of decades that good factual information can be hard to find. There is a lot of pure bullshit being passed off as real. As an example, I will cite the Druids.
We actually know very little about the Druids, except for the fact that they existed, and that they were scary. Druids kept no written records or history; most of what we know comes from Julius Caesar, who had his own reasons for branding the Druids the way he did.
https://latinitium.com/latin-book-club-julius-caesar-and-the-druids
We know little to nothing about the actual rites, rituals and religious practices of the Druids, however there are groups today who claim to be practicing Druids, with all kinds of rituals and rites they have essentially made up. This has “poisoned the well” of knowledge, so to speak, when looking for good information, because you will find all this made up crap. And since WE know that many so-called “credible” sources have ulterior motivations, even the “scholarly” sources are suspect.
This fascination and reverence for tribal religions also spills over onto things like voodoo and Santeria, another animal-sacrifice religion. There appears to be a sort of “glossy magazine cover” version of these. So, when the researcher goes after real facts, they can be hard to uncover. I have personally seen this in people I know; they become enthralled with the New Orleans voodoo culture, for example, and the scarier parts of it fade to the background. They see the “lighter side,” and ignore the darkness.
I write this only as a warning to you all about digging into this subject. Because it is being “sugar-coated,” it can appear harmless, or at least not nearly as scary as it is.
STOP READING HERE IF YOU DON’T WANT TO READ SOME SCARY PARTS.
For me, the most frightening aspect of voodoo isn’t the animal sacrifice. It is the vacating of the human body to allow for possession by a loa/lwa spirit. This is common in voodoo. They consider the person thus inhabited as the chwal (“horse”) of the loa spirit, that it is “riding.” This kind of thing happens all the time; special ritual or sacrifice is not necessary for the possession to occur.
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://www.jstor.org/stable/pdf/j.ctv2t4d7f.16.pdf%3Frefreqid%3Dexcelsior%253A9a59400679b2fb871c3dd74fbe145b44&ved=2ahUKEwjWmML14cCIAxW_weYEHQPIKjUQFnoECBcQAw&usg=AOvVaw1jZKtnNiscQlxJeUIcckXx
The reason why I find this particularly disturbing is, what will happen in our liberal courts when someone claims to have been “possessed” by a loa during the commission of some crime or another? For example, one of the results of loa possession:
“Simpson has noted that in normal, everyday life, there is “considerable sexual modesty among the peasants.”37 The picture changes radically during possession experiences. Huxley writes of the “sexual megalomania” that characterizes many possessions.38 Possessed persons often have to be restrained from taking off their clothes to go naked. Courlander writes of the contempt for proprieties and of the lascivious and lurid behavior and speech of some loa.39 Behavior that would be quite unacceptable to the community and even to the possessed person himself is excused because the loa — not the person being possessed — is responsible for unacceptable behavior and speech.”
https://home.snu.edu/~hculbert/voodoo.htm
This is a religious avenue for irresponsibility for one’s actions. America was founded on freedom of religion, but I doubt if this is what the Founders had in mind.
SCARY PART OVER
If you choose to delve into research of any occult religion, be aware that many so-called “Neopagans” have co-opted and bastardized real practices into their own forms. Our society is currently very, very sick with what seems like “cult fever” to me. So many people have rejected Christianity for some flavor of tribal religion that they know very little about. They just make it up as they go along, and it all ends up posted somewhere on the internet.
I am going to sign off with this:
Our Father, who art in heaven, hallowed be thy name; thy kingdom come; thy will be done; on earth as it is in heaven. Give us this day our daily bread. And forgive us our trespasses, as we forgive those who trespass against us. And lead us not into temptation; but deliver us from evil.
Amen.
Aubergine
Thank you so much for this.
Yours Truly remembers working the Ouija board that was stored at the top of the coat closet in the family home. This was decades ago, likely in the early 1960s. My siblings and I were, shall we say, “fooling around” with it, asking silly questions.
But the “pointer device” (I suppose that’s what it’s called) we were using started to move by itself, taking our hands with it on the board.
As you can imagine, this scared the daylights out of us. We quickly put the board and “pointer” away deep in the closet, and never touched it again. I think that, not long after this, my parents got rid of the thing.
I can relate! This happened to me when I was a child.
We were playing with the board in a closed interior bathroom, no windows, door shut. We
handleput a candle on the board, and something blew it out. NEVER AGAIN.Lol, just spotted the typo here!
We had a candle on the board…
There are certainly ‘THINGS’ out there that are not covered in our ‘scientific’ understanding.
I have run into them more than once as has my EX and my Mom.
Luckily our run-ins have been benign and in my case and that of my Ex have literally saved us from certain death.
Wow! I never wanted to have anything to do with Ouija, it just struck me as “off” & possibly/likely demonic. I was at a sleepover in a friend’s backyard as a young teen, we were camping in a couple of tents. All the other girls gathered in one tent to have a “séance” & there was no way I was going to participate in something like that. I recall walking in circles around the tent they were holed up in & praying in the Spirit that God would prevent anything bad from happening. Eventually they gave up on their efforts saying that for some reason it wasn’t working that night. So scary that adolescent kids would so easily try to dabble in darkness! Based on their comments at least some of them had had previous “séance” encounters so had an idea of what to expect. 😪
I have seen a ouija board in use by friends but was never interested in it.
I considered it ‘stupid’ and ‘unscientific’ despite my experiences with dreams.
As a teen, I dreamed I was riding my horse over a bridge. He spooked and threw me over the rail into on coming freeway traffic. Several months later I was riding with a friend in an area I had never been before. We came to that bridge. I took one look, got off the horse and lead him across. Half way a car honked his horn, the horse went nuts and reared wildly. I had a terrible time controlling him he was so frightened.
I have hated bridges ever since.
Wow that’s quite an experience…
My ex had a similar experience. He dreamed he slipped on ice and slid into a deep pit cave. A few days later he walked over and brushed the leaves away from that patch of ice sitting near the lip of a deep pit cave.
SHUDDER…
God’s got His hand on you both! PTL 🙂
Yes, it seems that is correct. No other way to explain it.
I hope the writing I have been doing on the internet over the years is having a positive impact as well as the discussions we have had with kids.
You are a bringer of Light & Truth, Hope, Joy, AND Fortitude where ever you go!!!
I try!
AND succeed!!!
Scary! But cool that the dream saved you!
It’s a dangerous thing to do, and it is NOT a board game.
Amen!
I had an experience with a ‘Wee-gee’ board in college. I had just started seeing a girl, and we were at her off-campus house with her two room mates. They claimed they were witches. The girl I was seeing said she was a ‘white witch’, and the other two were ‘gray witches’, if I remember correctly. One could have been a ‘black witch’, but I don’t think so, I think I would remember that. I think both of the other two were ‘gray’.
Of course, being witches, I guess they could have been lying.
They had a Ouija board and got it out. I knew what it was, but I hadn’t used one before.
We all put our hands on the pointer device, and it started moving in slow, expanding circles or ovals. I immediately accused the witches of moving it, but they insisted they weren’t.
We tried again, a few times, and it was the same thing. I was sure they were pushing the pointer device around. So they said I should try it by myself and see. So I tried it by myself, and nothing happened.
So I sat back and watched, and they played around with it some more, and claimed to be talking to some spirit who was communicating by slowly spelling out words using the pointer device.
I was clearly skeptical of the whole thing, I wasn’t hiding it.
Then one of the girls asked the ‘spirit’ if it wanted to talk to me, and the pointer device practically jumped to the word “No” on the board, and after that, the ‘spirit’ stopped communicating with them.
I still wasn’t buying it, but they seemed very surprised by such a strong and immediate reaction from the Ouija board.
They all looked at me, like I did something wrong.
I said what are you looking at me for? You guys are pushing the pointer around, I’m just sittin’ here 😂
And that was the end of the Wee-gee board experience.
Were you a (baby?) Christian at that time?
I was christened as a baby. My parents were Methodists, as were my grandparents.
We all went to church until I was about 8-9. Then my Dad bought his first business, started working 7 days a week, and we stopped going.
My parents were terribly abusive. They eventually went back to church when I was about 15. By that time, the reality that my family was abusive to me, that what I was living in was in no way normal, had sunk in.
I had already tried once to tell a relative what was happening, only to have them call my mother, which resulted, of course, in more abuse.
I could not understand for a long, long time why the church would not only accept my parents, but make my father a deacon! It seemed so wrong to me for a long time. So I would have nothing to do with Christianity. I studied Buddhism, Judaism, shamanism, and Mormonism, but none of it “took.”
One day about two years ago, God spoke very clearly to me. He said it’s time to come home! He sent Jesus to rescue me from the wilderness, He truly did. I was just compelled, in no uncertain terms, back to church. It was amazing.
I’ve posted this image before. I felt exactly like this little lamb on Jesus shoulder, sort of like “how did I get up here?” I actually bought the photo and framed it to hang by my bed, and then I painted a replica of it, too. I just love it. The look on the lamb’s face is perfect:
Oh Aubergine, what a terrible, beautiful tale of brokenness, betrayal, & Redemption. You were the lost sheep & He found you & brought you home!!! What an amazing testimony; to God be the glory!
Amen.
👉FRANCIS HUXLEY😡
THAT is a REALLY NASTY FAMILY!
WIKI —
That goes to
AND that LEADS to:
Matthew Ehret: How the Unthinkable Became Thinkable
[QUOTE]
On Day 6 of the Grand Jury Proceeding by the Peoples’ Court of Public Opinion, Matthew Ehret gave testimony covering Maurice Strong, Thomas Malthus, Francis Galton, Thomas Huxley, Adolf Hitler, Julian Huxley, UNESCO, Club of Rome, World Health Organisation, John Holdren and more, highlighting their links to eugenic and depopulation agendas…
So, among those figures who was assigned the task of reorganising the grand strategy for recapturing nations that had just defeated fascism in the post-World War II era, we have none other than Sir Thomas Huxley’s grandson – Sir Julian Huxley – who becomes the creator of UNESCO, the United Nations Education, Science and Cultural Organisation, where he writes in its manifesto that:
Basically, he’s [Julian Huxley is] saying that real psychotherapy, the purpose of the science of mind going forward and mental health should be 👉to liberate us from the belief in right and wrong👈 and the traditions of old people that are obsolete in favour of logical thinking.
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Amazing, Alarming, AND Almost Achieved!
The UN has been EVIL from inception!
Yep. As a naïve child, or very young adolescent, I used to collect funds for UNICEF…sigh. Even growing up in a pretty strong Christian family some of this insidious crap still manages to seep in 🙁
YIKES!
I am glad I have a good memory. 😋 And like to connect the dots.
Huxley in the rain forest – Francis Huxley and the Human Condition
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A fourth-generation member of the illustrious Huxley dynasty, Francis Huxley forged an unusual and innovative career making key contributions to social anthropology, mental health care, and the protection of indigenous peoples….
This study of Francis Huxley is welcome and overdue, because he was one of the greatest anthropologists of Amazonian indigenous peoples. His observations were thorough and scientifically accurate, to the highest standards of his discipline. But Francis was exceptional in two other ways. His delightful writing style communicated his passion to general readers as well as academics. And he was a warm friend, almost a compatriot of the indigenous peoples he studied. He was fascinated by and empathised with mythology and their spirit and spiritual worlds, so that he almost thought as one of them. —
John Hemming, Author of People of the Rainforest
Huxley in Haiti: An Album
Francis Huxley (1923 – 2016) was a social anthropologist, 👉traveller to unmapped lands of the mind,👈 a mythologist, known for his ground-breaking narrative anthropology. After early research in the Brazilian Amazon, he ventured to Haiti to investigate 👉the role of Voodoo in the healing of mental distress.👈
From his time there he produced a widely read sympathetic text of the social-psychological functions of Voodoo and accrued a large collection of personal photographs (1072) of the people he encountered, both in their everyday and ritual settings. This album is a companion volume to our previous biography; Francis Huxley and the human condition; Anthropology Ancestry and Knowledge, as well as being a visual record of Francis’ time in Haiti and a testimony to his ability to enter open-mindedly into the world of a people who have been much misunderstood.
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And from Wiki on Julian:
The possible connection to MK-ULTRA!!!
TAVISTOCK INSTITUTE: An Ongoing Social Engineering Project to Mind Control Humanity
Another aspect of voodoo is the “zombie.” They’re real. It’s done, I believe, with a combination of herbs/hallucinogenics and hypnosis. At least, that’s my opinion.
“Zombies” sound like the ancestor to MK Ultra victims.
Mind-blowing! 😡
Isn’t it!
I hope Wolfie sees it!
Yes…always!
Good stuff.
Thank you for touching on this subject with insight & wisdom, not fascination.
If I recall correctly that C.S. Lewis had to have significant prayer covering when he was writing “The Screwtape Letters” (which I very much appreciate). Just even trying to get into the head of a demon was fraught with spiritual risk for him. The fact that he was using a unique creative outlet to glorify the Lord means that his risk has left us with a book that can help prick our own hearts pointing us to Christ if we have eyes to see…
Something that is a strange (to me) aspect of certain Christian practices I’ve witnessed in the Bible Belt &/or more Charismatic/Pentecostal settings is people “speaking to” or “rebuking” the Devil during a prayer. I believe that there is a passage in scripture where one is admonished to say “the Lord rebuke you” to such entities, not to directly rebuke them yourself (I believe this was stated by an angel in Scripture).
The “spiritual warfare” aspect of Christianity seems to have it’s own culture & traditions but I think it’s important to stay within the bounds of scripture when venturing into these arenas. I believe the Lord Himself rebuked the Disciples who were unable to cast out a demon (or demons) in perhaps a cavalier application of their authority as Believers. I believe that He said that “such come out only with prayer and fasting”…
Anyway, I guess what I’m driving at is that even as Christians we need to exercise caution & prudence in confronting the dark spiritual forces in the world. The handful of scriptural accounts of encounters between God & “the devil” &/or demons can show us that our understanding of these domains is likely limited, at best.
God Points the Devil toward Job “have you considered my servant Job” in an early heavenly encounter detailed in the Book of Job. Satan has to appear before God again to get permission to “touch” Job’s person (inflict illness/injury upon him) after taking virtually all his family & possessions (leaving his unhelpful “curse God & die!” wife) but God won’t allow Job’s life to be taken. The restoration of Job’s life, health, family, & possessions at the end gives a “happy ending” to a tale of woe & unimaginable suffering culminating in glimpses of how God would directly question a man…truly fascinating stuff.
Elsewhere in scripture we are told “an evil spirit from the Lord” was sent to torment King Saul & it was the search for the relief of the fits this spirit produced in Saul which lead to placing the harpist David in the royal realm as David’s harp soothed Saul’s soul. Was Part of God’s purpose there to get the shepherd into the palace to prepare him for kingship? Mysteries…
My husband was recounting another OT Biblical tale of God’s throne room with a gathering of spirits as they discuss how to get a king to do something God wanted that would ultimately bring about the king’s destruction, iirc. The winning idea was one of the spirits saying that it would be “a lying spirit in the mouths of the prophets” that would convince this king to do something he shouldn’t do if he were to be wise & preserve himself but that was what God wanted to happen. God can do no evil Himself, but He can command “evil” to be done, or so it (superficially?) seems…
These biblical glimpses into aspects of the dark side of spirituality make me think that the spirit realm is something that we are not really meant to fully comprehend while in the flesh. Seeking “spirituality” apart from pursuing the Lord is complex, dangerous, & in many/most cases outright forbidden scripturally, at least in my reading/understanding.
Even with God “now we see through a glass darkly, then we will see face to face. Now we know in part, then we will fully know even as we are fully known, for we will see God as He is…” an off my head approximation of an illuminating scriptural passage. Blessings!
And blessings to you. I agree, great care is needed when looking at these things, even a sidelong glance.
Amen!
Two contrasting views on this but essentially they have the same warnings. Both videos are rather short and hopefully i have them in the right order.
This is where I assume Aubergine is coming from. And I’d add it’s not our way of life. We primarily concern ourselves with salvation and simple joys in knowing were on a slow steady path. It suffices quite well and even in these eastern religions such is an acceptable and recognized path.
This next lady has all the same warnings and what she’s saying is likely all of us at least in our culture we are not disciplined enough to seek enlightenment through these sort of practices, nor do we have the life styles that would allow this. Just attaining the knowledge base (right thought) would be a long process and once achieved it would have to be maintained or that is when you start to run into problems. Even adepts in places like India normally end up backing out of their pursuits in this sort of endeavor and most are smart enough not to try settling for something much more subtle in hopes of maybe in the next life…
And yeah… Christians have had their own go at this stuff as well, with all the same dangers.
Same idea. Messing with forces we don’t fully understand. Dangerous.
yep…shudder
“Possessed persons often have to be restrained from taking off their clothes to go naked. “
Apparently more restraint is required. 😮
I thought I saw breasts…is it some type of tranny/
Yes, I checked and I saw breasts.
I enlarged the screen & finally caught the hot dog too 🙁
I was not sure about that. Now I do not have to look.
LOL I wasn’t impressed either 😉 😉
There used to be laws against that sort of stuff. At minimum he would be picked up and evaluated.
Should be in a psych ward & everywhere “he” sat needs to be sanitized! Puke
Mental illness. Perhaps a straitjacket?
“We actually know very little about the Druids, except for the fact that they existed, and that they were scary.”
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Druids were an important subject in the songs of one of the great rock bands of the early 1980s 👍
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a little background music…a day late…ok, mon ? 😎
Lol!
Is there something occult out there? Some evidence I have indicates so. Not so much direct, but observations. There was this dog, who was barking at something that walked from a room to another, through a part of the wall where there once had been a door.
Later a new house was built next to the approximately 100 year old house where this happened, and it appears to be something unpleasant sitting or occupying or living in the hallway there. Some dogs and some people have noticed.
Do I want to investigate this matter further? Not really. It is something best left where it is, whatever it is.
Came up on Badlands:
Good Reads:
The Serpent and the Rainbow: A Harvard Scientist’s Astonishing Journey into the Secret Societies of Haitian Voodoo, Zombis, and Magic
I saw The Serpent and the Rainbow years ago. That is one freaky film.
Since this is about Haitians…..
cthulhu (cthulhu)Online
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There are some cultural traditions that are particularly toxic —
https://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=252028
And this explains the toxic culture:
The Serpent and the Rainbow: A Harvard Scientist’s Astonishing Journey into the Secret Societies of Haitian Voodoo, Zombis, and Magic