Recently, I accidentally discovered that a long-held belief of mine was very likely untrue! As I sure you all can identify with, this was somewhat disconcerting. Who likes to be wrong? But I am a researcher, and accepting what one finds when researching is imperative. I thought I would share what I found out with you all, since it is Christmas, and that is crux of the matter.
I thought for many years that Jesus was not really born on Christmas Day. That day was chosen, I believed, because pagan cultures already celebrated on that day, and Christianity wanted to include (subsume, some would say) those religions. This is called the “History of Religions” theory.
There was Saturnalia, for example, celebrated originally on December 17, and later from the 17th through the 23rd; and the December 25 holiday Sol Invictus (the Unconquered or Invincible Sun). The earliest reference I had seen to the celebration of Jesus birth on December 25 was in 354 AD. It is from Depositio Martirum of the Chronography of 354, and reads:
‘December 25, Christ is born in Bethlehem of Judea.’
However, I was to find that this is NOT the earliest that such a thing was suggested, by a long shot!
I stumbled across this reference to Hippolytus, who in his day attempted to date every Passover all the way back to the date of the Creation, and the first Passover full moon (he believed God created the moon in the “full” phase). To do this, Hippolytus created a “lunar table.” A statue of him was discovered in Rome in 1551 AD and now sits in front of the Vatican Library. On the right side of the statue is a carving of this lunar table, taken from Hippolytus’ Canon, written in 222 AD.
This lunar table was designed to calculate the dates of past and future Passover full moons, by determining the date of the full moon occurring on the Vernal Equinox. The date of this Equinox was fixed on March 25 in the Julian Calendar. This turned out to be more difficult than Hippolytus thought, and his calculations went awry within just three years of calculating the dates.
However, that is not the point of discussion here. The point is, Hippolytus noted two things in his Canon; one, that the Passion of Jesus occurred on Friday, March 25, 29 AD. The second is, he wrote that the “genesis” of Christ occurred on April 2, 2 B.C. The word for “genesis” here is γένεσις. There is debate on whether this word means conception or birth, but given what I have read in the last week, I am strongly inclined to the former meaning. Researcher Thomas C. Schmidt has done a fantastic study of this. You can read the research here; I highly recommend it:
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://tcschmidtblog.wordpress.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/schmidt-calculating-december-25-as-the-birth-of-jesus-in-hippolytus1.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwjBxdjTi7SKAxVCJDQIHWFZAFUQFnoECA8QAQ&usg=AOvVaw2lhWZdxL_02fUb4XjMbIa8
This was my starting point, but I branched out when I realized there were others who believed early on that Jesus was conceived on or about March 25. In 221, Julius Africanus, the Roman Christian historian, wrote that Jesus was conceived on March 25, the anniversary of the day Africanus believed God created the Earth. This would logically, given a nine-month gestation period, put Jesus’ birth on December 25.
So, there are now two sources who believed Jesus was born on December 25, as early as 221 AD. Is there an even earlier source? Turns out, it looks like there is!
Clement of Alexandria calculated Jesus birth backwards (what a way to figure, but whatever) from the death of the Emperor Commodus, thusly:
From the birth of Christ, therefore,
to the death of Commodus are, altogether,
194 years, 1 month, 13 days.
This would put Jesus’ birth on January 6. It is still celebrated on that date by the Armenian Apostolic Church.
Clement continues:
“And there are those who have determined
our Savior’s genesis
not only the year,
but even the day, which they say took place
in the twenty-eighth year of Augustus
on the 25th of Pachon…
And treating of his passion, with very great accuracy,
some say that it took place
in the sixteenth year of Tiberius,
on the 25th of Phamenoth,
but others the 25th of Pharmuthi
and others say
on the 19th of Pharmuthi the Savior suffered.
Indeed, others say
that he came to be on the 24th or 25th of Pharmuthi.”
The important word in there is “genesis,” most likely meaning conception. The translation of “genesis” as conception is consistent with Clement’s usage of this word in other contexts, for example:
“It is not therefore frequent intercourse by the parents, but the reception of it [the seed] in the womb which corresponds with genesis.” (Clement of Alexandria Stromata 3.12.83.2)
The 25th of Pharmuthi coincides with the Vernal Equinox in the Egyptian calendar and also matches one of the possible dates which Clement gives for the Passover of Jesus’ crucifixion.
This shows that in the time Clement wrote his Stromata, between 198 and 203 AD, where this information appears, there were already people who believed that Jesus was conceived on or about March 20-21, or on the Vernal Equinox.
What we know about the pagan holiday Saturnalia is, it was originally a one-day celebration on December 17. It was later extended to December 17-23. This is one celebration that has been suggested as a reason why Christians decided to put Jesus’ nativity on December 25, but this holiday never fell on that date.
A December 25th holiday, Sol Invictus, was instituted in 274 AD by the Emperor Aurelian, who made this the primary god of Rome.
“The festival of Sol Invictus on the 25th December in the later Roman empire combined the festivals of both the old sun god (Sol Indiges) and the new official sun god (Deus Sol Invictus). The Circus Maximus had been dedicated to Sol Indiges since ancient times, and then was dedicated to Sol Invictus. The Roman emperor Aurelian created the cult of Sol Invictus during his reign in AD 270-275 (in the 3rd century) and, on his coins, Sol was described as ‘Dominus Imperii Romani’, the official deity of the Roman empire.”
It has been suggested over the centuries that the “chosen” date of December 25 as the birth of Jesus was in response to the imposition of Sol Invictus. However, given that we know that 75-50 years PRIOR to Sol Invictus being instituted, Christian leaders believed Jesus was born on December 25, it is just as likely that Aurelian instituted the holiday against the Christian belief! This is actually more likely in my opinion, given the facts that: a) Romans were inclined to incorporate the gods of conquered cultures into their belief systems and had done so for centuries; and b) by the time of Jesus, Jews had been admonished against the practice of including foreign gods in their culture for literally thousands of years. This was almost the entire background cause of sin in the Old Testament.
This theory, that Jesus’ birth date was not chosen to subsume another religion’s holiday, but was instead “calculated” by early Church leaders from the Creation of the world, or from the dates of Passover full moons, is called the “Calculation Theory.”
This theory does not prove that Jesus was actually born on December 25, but rather it does strongly suggest, at least to me, that the date of his birth was NOT chosen in response to a foreign religion, but in accordance with the beliefs and dates spelled out in God’s Word, the Old Testament. Hippolytus used the dates in the Old Testament to calculate the years from the Creation to the birth of Jesus, as did Clement of Alexandria.
From Hippolytus Chronicon:
(§686) . . . from Adam until the transmigration into Babylon under Jeconiah, 57 generations, 4,842 years, 9 months. (§687) And after the transmigration into Babylon until the generation [generatio] of Christ, there were 14 generations, 660 years, and from the generation [generatio] of Christ until the Passion there were 30 years and from the Passion up until this year which is year 13 of the Emperor Alexander, there are 206 years. (§688) Therefore all the years from Adam up until year 13 of the Emperor Alexander make 5,738 years.
Chronicon §686-688
It is quite notable to me that there is a “9 months” period stated in this calculation, the span of human gestation. From Schmidt:
“Hippolytus only gives extraneous months on two occasions, once in §654 where he adds six months to David’s reign, and in §675 where he states that Jehoahaz reigned three months.”
So it is a rare case in his calculations to include months at all. The possible reasons for the nine month addition, how the translation of one word [generatio] affects the interpretation of it, and much more is found in Thomas C. Schmidt’s excellent research linked up above, if you want to read it.
I still don’t know for certain that Jesus was actually born on December 25. But I DO know that early Christians, based on their calculations of when God created the Earth, and when Passover full moons occurred and their dates, almost certainly believed that He was. And for now, that is good enough for me!
MERRY CHRISTMAS TO YOU ALL!
MERRY CHRISTMAS TO ALL!!!
Merry Christmas, Coothie, and to all at our wonderful Q tree.
You, too, Linda! Merry Christmas!
We all got some great presents! 💖🙏
The greatest of all presents is Presence.
Amen!
Merry Christmas!!! 🎄 💖 🙏
Merry Christmas Coothie, QTreepers and casual visitors! A great day to celebrate.
Merry Christmas.
Will we set a record for the fewest comments? 🤔
Quality! Not quantity! 💖
AND logic!
Comments are like a box of chocolates and……
Whatever! 😅
Some are sweet and some are nutty?
And some you have to chew on a while…
Amen!!!
26 days, 11 hours, 42 minutes until our Once And Future President, Donald Trump, is restored to his Rightful Office. The one that was STOLEN in 2020 and awarded to Lets Go Brandon in 2021.
Not that I’m counting, mind you.
May justice be done. May the swamp be drained. May their kind never rise again.
Amen!!!
Interesting stuff! The part about conception – I do kinda get why they would be so interested in it. I will bet that the idea that Christ was CONCEIVED and DIED on the same day of the year, was some critical part of the canon – written or not. In any case, it’s one more sign of divinity that many people, and especially back then, would find convincing.
Thanks again, and Merry Christmas!!! 🎄 💖 🙏 ✝
There was apparently Jewish tradition that believed that holy men were conceived or born and died on the same day of the year. That really existed, so you win your bet.
Wow! So just one more example of fulfillment of prophesy, writ large, in that even an expectation was fulfilled.
Check this out.
It’s a chicken head stabilizer… better than anything modern technology can do… 😂
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NI is great stuff – often better than AI, and cheaper, too!
YUP!
I do not know computers, but I can not see computers making the leap from ‘calculator’ to true intelligence. That I think takes the spark from God.
Can computers be very helpful at gathering information? OF COURSE! But I do not think a computer can make the ‘intuitive leaps’ the human mind can.
Which means, ultimately, that the simulated intuition AI might produce someday will be nothing more than the biases and preferences of the programmer written into the code.
YUP, we are already seeing that.
Heck the difference between what Google/Brave brings up and Yandex in response to what is typed in the search box, is an excellent illustration.
What we’re seeing right now is that AI has the biases and preferences of BOTH the programmer AND the data used for training. Which tends to make it just kind of a programmatic way to average the intelligence of a lot of people, including all their mistakes.
I suspect that the Chinese figured this out quickly, and that is why they basically told China Joe not to hook up our nukes with AI. We’ve had decades of experience with real people preventing unnecessary nuclear war, and it seems to have worked. Cheaping out with AI would be a BAD move. AI not only has learned to “please its masters” – it has learned how to LIE to do it. AI is a downgrade for many tasks. But it’s a fast way to look through a lot of data.
In my opinion, the greatest mistake we have made, is listening to MIC/DS midwits who think that slacking on Azimov’s laws is no problem, or even a good idea. We’ve put liars and cheaters in charge of AI – people who answer to the liars, cheaters and slackers like Bill Gates. I get why Elon Musk has concerns about AI safety. Too many assholes are ready to create worse things than “Skynet”.
See a post coming later today!
That is really really neat!
Short and sweet too!
I was planning on a nice, quiet Christmas Eve.
Our area lost all electricity from about 5:10pm to 10:25 pm.
Yup. Nice and quiet.
Quietly preparing to overnight with a wood stove?
Glad the power is back on. Hope it lasts.
Unfortunately, we live in an all-electric house. No choice.
Doubly glad the power is back on. Wishing you and yours a very Merry (and warm) Christmas.
Just to let you know, your escape from the clutches of the medical team some years back was very inspirational in a different way from your weekly posts. Thank you for both.
One should always have a camping stove and a 5 gallon bottle of propane, The stove fits on the open oven door and two burners provide a lot of heat.
🤦♀️ Of course, how obvious in hindsight. And how easily that lie slipped into casual belief (speaking for myself); because it seems logical that the early church would have co-opted pagan holidays to get people into church if one is familiar with a bland, vanilla, modern church and the means by which they try to get people into church.
Good stuff, Aubergine 🙏💕
Merry Christmas everyone, lots of love to you all ❤️
Thank you, and Merry Christmas to you!
And it was easy to accept that lie, wasn’t it? It was for me, too. I think sometimes that “logic” like that, that appeals to our human mind, is a great tool for evil to fool us.
I was thinking about the early Church, and their zeal for Jesus, and how they would have felt. It seems more likely to me that they would scorn paganism than to include it, in retrospect.
Merry Christmas! Great to see you! 💖 🎄 🙏
Thanks, friend 🥹
Thank you, Purple One, for the wisdom in this Christmas post. It really is an interesting subject and you provide quite a bit of information.
On a sort of running tangent from here, I have known several cases where people have “body knowledge” that is completely reasonable, but is not measurable or explicable through “medical” means.
A couple of examples (I have more):
I happened to have a promiscuous female in my accounting staff. The morning after one evening’s activities, she told me that her activity had “caught”. Didn’t show up on a pee test for another four days. (Ended up having a daughter.)
My grandfather was in the ICU. Even though unresponsive, he started acting like Death was chasing him up a hill — panting and surging and painful for days. I talked to him and told him how much his panic was a concern — and that my grandmother would be taken care of and that he needn’t fret about such worries. He calmed a bit, and we left for the night, hoping he would rest and we’d see him in the morning…..then we were called back….and when we were back in the room, he left.
But to bring it back to this post — is it possible that we have been intentionally desensitized to internal sensations of important natural events (like conception)? It seems like there’s a calendar of “conception / quickening / pre-birth / birth” that is askew from modern medicine’s “fertilization / implantation / heartbeat / viability”. And of course, these things would have to be disconnected at an abortion facility.
This post was self-contained within its topic, but I’d love to see a subsequent post addressing that particular rabbit hole.
Speaking of “disconnected from their own body” — https://nypost.com/2024/12/24/lifestyle/single-chinese-women-are-doing-photoshoots-with-fake-baby-bumps/
How very strange.
Seems like a perfect scam tool. I can bet it’s popular in Scam Kingdom.
Change of subject. Did your Datsun get a battery? Back to normal?
It’s a Honda. Got a new battery at Wally World in Fiancee’s coach. All good if it starts tomorrow.
Yea. For some reason, Honda Civic escaped me. So I tossed in a throw back in time.
It’s a Honda Accord Wagon EX. When I bought it, there were only 14 available for sale in the world with California smog configuration.
The setup here is that a young lady has a service dog that monitors several parts of her health — BP, sugar, etc. — and allows her to maneuver through life.
She ALSO has medical tech devices to do the same thing……except they don’t — not with the same response time.
(hopefully, this comes in at about 3:15)
She’s now a senior in college and graduating very soon. Her accommodations with a medical service dog have been very interesting along the way. A constant thread has been where Mars alerts her to get to a safe place before her medical equipment watch tells her why. If she were more in tune with her own body, could she not be even faster than her dog?
Just as another tangent — service animals are allowed to ride with people through a large percentage of rides. It’s sometimes amusing which ones are which. (For example, most service animals can ride through Disneyland’s “Peter Pan”.)
Thanks, cthulhu.
To your point, all four times I conceived, I knew immediately. Not days later, I knew within hours.
And what an interesting idea you have! That the “disconnect” from that feeling has been deliberate. Wow.
I’m going to have to think about this.
Luke 1:41-44
41 When Elizabeth heard Mary’s greeting, the baby leaped in her womb, and Elizabeth was filled with the Holy Spirit. 42 In a loud voice she exclaimed: “Blessed are you among women, and blessed is the child you will bear! 43 But why am I so favored, that the mother of my Lord should come to me? 44 As soon as the sound of your greeting reached my ears, the baby in my womb leaped for joy.
Very interesting Aubergine. I too bought into the moving of Christ’s birth date. Part of it was that taxes would be paid after harvest in the fall.
HOWEVER, one of the things we have recently learned is the Satanists LOVE to play games with history. For example: The Great Thanksgiving Hoax
So what do the Satanist gain by moving the date?
They cast doubt on the entire story of Christ’s life and the Bible. If the 25th is not the true date? What else is false?
NASTY!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
🌲MERRY CHRISTMAS TREEPERS!🐑🐪🌟
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One idea that has really been on my heart lately is this; Satan and company are the fallen angels who were with God from the very beginning. He created them, and they were aware of His plans for us all along. And one of the tools of Satan is to create false religions to tempt us. AND HE KNEW WHAT GOD PLANNED ALL ALONG!
So when Satan plays his games with our beliefs, he does so with the knowledge that God would send His Son, through a virgin birth, that He would die on a cross, and be resurrected in three days.
So, did Satan create early religions that mimicked Christianity, so that people could point to them and say, look, Jesus is a myth, His life and death look the same as this old pagan religion?
Satan isn’t omniscient, or all powerful like God, but he is TRICKY.
Quite possibly. Although many of the very early religions were nature based as would be expected.
From what I understand Satan can not create, he only distorts and destroys. Therefore it seems more likely he would use something that already existed.
Since God exists outside of time altogether, everything that exists has always existed and will always exist for Him. Everything that happened, is happening, and will happen is now for God.
Heaven is outside of our timeline. That is the hardest concept for me to grasp. But it means that for God and all the Heavenly Host, there is no timeline. Satan, who was with God from Creation, knew of God’s plans for us, and so could stick a false religion into our timeline anywhere, even before WE were given Moses, or Jesus, or Elijah, or anything.
“…so could stick a false religion into our timeline anywhere…“
But isn’t that creating a religion?
I can certainly see him twisting the Judeo-Christian religion into Islam. But could he create a religion out of whole cloth?
I believe that you have to be correct here, but things are doubly tricky because [and people will cringe at the terminology, but stay with me] what we believe has EVOLVED. Look at the history of both Judaism and Christianity. What God seems to be doing is somewhere between “no change” and “wrong change”. But this fits in with what you are saying. Satan is all about chaffing up the slow and proper change, and steering it wrong, preventing it, or making it too fast.
Some things must not change (be conserved), others should be free to change to allow God to spread, and others should be in between. Discernment is watching and waiting for God’s plan to be evident. All of that is oddly but beautifully reflected in natural law, which is like the “quick start guide” to God’s plan, but better be careful – the quick start sheet is not the actual manual, and it’s always best to RTFM. 😉
Here is a Christmas Present from my Hubby.
Enjoy Treepers.
Amazing – delightful!!!
And such a sweet and joy filled smile.
Astonishing!
Look at the length of the fingers on that boy. I truly hope he is able to keep his joy in music and is NOT destroyed by the SOBs running the entertainment industry.
We need a renaissance in the Arts.
Amen!
That was amazing!
Anglican Curmudgeon, conservative Christian lawyer, finds and presents case evidence that Jesus was born on December 25.
https://accurmudgeon.blogspot.com/2008/08/evidence-for-accuracy-of-bible.html
The Fiancee is in a rivalry with the guy across the street regarding Christmas decorations. She keeps trying to jump the gun and put them up before the day after Thanksgiving — and he keeps goading her with lighting some up beforehand like they’re driveway edge-markers or something. They’ve been doing this for 20 years.
There’s a home around the corner that has an inflatable standing Santa Claus that is higher than their second-story. The Fiancee breathes heavily when we drive by.
Anyway, she made a special point of telling me that she had reset the timers to have everything go all night long on this special night. The electric meter is probably spinning like a top.
For Steve and his Flerfer obsession —
Ray Van Dune
December 24, 2024 at 6:26 pm
In a similar vein, I have on occasion showed a friend how the morning or evening Sun will illuminate a hand-held ball and the Moon at the same phase, which never fails to elicit expressions of surprise!
A common protestation is “Why do the ball in hand and the Moon in the sky show the same phase of illumination, when they are so far apart?!”
The answer of course is that, relative to the Sun, they are NOT very far apart- about 1/400 the distance to the Sun in fact! So in linking the appearance of objects literally at hand to the appearance of the Moon, this vividly suggests the true scale of the solar system!
Thank you, Aubergine – for researching the ‘genealogy’ of Christmas. You are a treasure in our lives.
Thank you, GA/FL!
I treasure you and everyone here!
Why God Became a Baby
https://www.copticsolidarity.org/2022/12/26/why-god-became-a-baby/
“Intimidation doesn’t bring peace and joy. Infants do.
There’s something about a baby. If introduced into a crowded room, everyone will want a glimpse. Conversations will stop, smiles will spread and arms will reach out for a loving embrace. Even the most curmudgeonly denizen will be drawn toward the child. Babies bring peace and joy—it’s what they do.
The central message of Christmas is that God became a baby. The omnipotent Creator, the source of finite existence, the reason there is something rather than nothing, became an infant too weak even to raise his head. I’m sure that everyone around the Christ child’s crib did what people always do around babies: smile and coo and make funny noises. They were also surely drawn more closely together by their shared concern for the child.
In this we see a stroke of divine genius. For the entire history of Israel, God was endeavoring to attract his chosen people to himself and draw them into deeper communion with one another. Yet a sad and consistent theme of the Old Testament is that despite the Lord’s efforts and institutions, Israel remained alienated from God: the Torah ignored, covenants broken, commandments disobeyed, the Temple corrupted.
In the fullness of time, then, God determined not to intimidate or order us from on high but rather to become a baby. At Christmas, the human race no longer looked up to see the face of God but down into the face of a little child.
Once we understand this essential dynamic of Christmas, the spiritual life opens in a fresh way. Where do we find the God we seek? We do so most clearly in the faces of the vulnerable, the poor, the helpless, the childlike. It is relatively easy to resist the demands of the self-sufficient. It’s decidedly less so for the lowly, the needy and the weak. They draw us, as a baby does, out of self-preoccupation and into the space of real love. This is undoubtedly why so many of the saints were drawn to the service of the poor.
For those gathering to celebrate Christmas, a similar dynamic will obtain. Everyone will be there: parents, siblings, cousins, uncles and aunts, perhaps grandparents or friends who find themselves away from home. There will be food, laughter, lively conversations, most likely a fierce political argument or two. At most of these gatherings I expect at some point a baby will be brought into the room: the new son, cousin, nephew.
May I impart some advice? Be particularly attentive to how people react to the baby. Notice the magnetic power the child has over the entire motley crew. Then, remember the reason you’re gathering is to celebrate the baby who is God. And finally, permit yourself to be attracted by the peculiar magnetism of that divine child.”
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The Infant King and Lord Jesus Christ was certainly a delight to two old people who had long been watching and waiting for Him to appear on the earth.
Anna and Simeon, who recognized and gave thanks for The Royal Heavenly Baby – brought to the temple in the arms of a humble carpenter and his wife.
“Simeon took Jesus in his arms. He gave honor to Him and thanked God, saying,
29 “Lord, now let me die in peace, as You have said. 30 My eyes have seen the One Who will save men from the punishment of their sins. 31 You have made Him ready in the sight of all nations. 32 He will be a light to shine on the people who are not Jews. He will be the shining-greatness of Your people the Jews.” 33 Joseph and the mother of Jesus were surprised and wondered about these words which were said about Jesus. 34 Simeon honored them and said to Mary the mother of Jesus, “See! This Child will make many people fall and many people rise in the Jewish nation. He will be spoken against. 35 A sword will cut through your soul. By this the thoughts of many hearts will be understood.”
Anna Gives Thanks for Jesus36 Anna was a woman who spoke God’s Word. She was the daughter of Phanuel of the family group of Asher. Anna was many years old. She had lived with her husband seven years after she was married. 37 Her husband had died and she had lived without a husband eighty-four years. Yet she did not go away from the house of God. She served God day and night, praying and going without food so she could pray better. 38 At that time she came and gave thanks to God. She told the people in Jerusalem about Jesus. They were looking for the One to save them from the punishment of their sins and to set them free.”
I would also say, babies are innocent.
Merry Christmas Everyone!
scholars can argue till they’re blue in the face…somethings you just believe and know in your heart.
AMEN, Miss Pat!!!
Merry Christmas GA!
Merry Christmas, and may God bless us, everyone.
Merry Christmas!
Merry Christmas Tonawanda.
Monticello
December 25, 2024 5:40 am
There is always a reason for President Trump’s focus.
Greenland
“Chinese state media have identified Greenland as a critical strategic hub, citing its proximity to Arctic shipping lanes and its rich reserves of uranium and rare earth minerals. In 2019, the Chinese Communist Party (CCP) announced its “Polar Silk Road” initiative—an extension of its Belt and Road Initiative—aiming to develop Arctic shipping routes and encourage Chinese enterprises to invest in regional infrastructure projects.
Economic ties between Greenland and China have grown significantly over the past decade, driven by efforts to expand Greenland’s mineral mining, oil and gas exploration, and tourism sectors. Greenland’s increasing dependence on China has coincided with Beijing’s broader Arctic ambitions.”
https://www.theepochtimes.com/world/denmark-boosts-greenlands-military-defense-capacity-after-trumps-remarks-5781492?src_src=Morningbrief&src_cmp=mb-2024-12-25&est=AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAdekieAcExszJ%2F%2BIup2RRBLs0yEwDqSCg6YP1dslBy16t%2FTYQ3Q%3D%3D
DJT spends so much of his focus on important things he rarely has time for unimportant stuff. So you can safely assume that anything he is focused upon is important and worthy of your attention.
Also, on links, delete everything past the question mark before pasting.
thanks pgroup
i just copy what is with the post, but i will try to remember!
Ketchup on a hot dog? How profane!
Should be sweet pickle relish… to kill the taste.
Kill the taste of the hot dog?
I really do not like hot dogs, esp the cheap ones you get at parties or fairs.
Now the sausages you get at a Schnellimbiss in Germany? Now that is a whole different story!
.webp
Nah. Normal. Sometimes a dash of pepper and tabasco.
Another Christmas Present.
This echoes my thoughts.
Happy Festivus: Airing Our Grievances and Stopping The Swamp Donald Jr w/Sean Davis
I did not have a chance to look at this yesterday so ‘opened’ it today. It is wonderful! It does not list grievances but looks at what we, MAGA have done so far and can do in the future. THIS IS WHAT Q TRAINED US FOR!
https://rumble.com/v627vrh-happy-festivus-airing-our-grievances-and-stopping-the-swamp-wsean-davis-tri.html?e9s=rel_v2_pr
And MARX codified it and twisted feelings of guilt into feelings of entitlement.
Didn’t require a lot of twisting, in my opinion.
Bet there was a waiting line. 🙁
YUP
And then the Commies that had infiltrated the Church, convinced people it was generosity and not theft.
I am old enough to remember when taking care of those in need was the duty of the community and the church. We had a poor farm where vagrants and others were housed. It was actually a very nice place. Mom taught art there. We had the town drunk of course who did odd jobs. The men made sure he did not abuse his wife and the Doc & Dentist saw to it the kids got care and the community saw to it the wife got clothing and food — NOT MONEY!
Then the Committee for Economic Development decided to destroy farming communities to drive a surplus of workers into the cities. This allowed the Commies to take it over turning it into the mess we have today.
😆
Interesting since it RHYMES with what Donald Trump Jr was saying towards the end of Happy Festivus: Airing Our Grievances and Stopping The Swamp
MERRY 🎄 CHRISTMAS! – SALLY Q UPDATE!
Oh what a gift – The Word of Truth, the Bread of Life – the Savior, Redeemer, King and Sovereign Ruler, Good Shepherd for our sinful souls!
Sally Q had a good day yesterday. I talked with her about pain medicine – that she could use it as prescribed every 6 hours to prevent or wait until she was hurting to treat her pain. She thought about that and decided to try preventing pain. She asked for a pain pill at 9:20 am and after dinner at 8:30 pm.
She also had a good visit with the Hospice Chaplain and so did I. This seems to be a comfort and blessing for Sally and was a definite comfort to me.
The Chaplain will have the Hospice supervisor contact us tomorrow. We are going to request a different Nurse Case Manager.
The Chaplain said the Nurse who is closest to our area, is a quiet, empathetic, skilled problem solver. Just what is needed as we travel through this excruciatingly hard time in our fractured family. The weekend call nurse grew up in Dowling Park and is also that kind of problem solver.
We need a comforting supportive personality working with and for us right now, not an adversarial one…not one who makes and causes problems.
Sally was getting tired by the time I had dinner prepared, but she perked up when it was time to eat – looked like her old self, with rosy cheeks, sparkly eyes and she thoroughly enjoyed the scallop pasta dish, vegetables and Tiramisu dessert. She ate like she had a good appetite.
Her blood sugar was high this morning around 4:30 am, so I gave her Lantus long acting insulin shot early and contacted her Dad, and we urged her to drink water – and it has gradually gone down.
Her bodily functions are fairly normal. She used her computer a little while yesterday. I can tell she tires more easily and sleeps more during the day. Today, we will try to take a walk, which she enjoys.
Thank you all so much for your prayers and encouragement!!!
Wonderful news for a Christmas Day!
We need a comforting supportive personality working with and for us right now, not an adversarial one…not one who makes and causes problems.
I am fairly certain that I would never ‘need’ the latter type. 😆
“…an adversarial one…” DOES NOT BELONG IN THAT FIELD PERIOD!
GA/FL
Thank you so much for the update! Great to hear that Sally Q is making some decisions regarding her pain med, and that she had a good appetite yesterday.
Fabulous that the Hospice Chaplain spoke with her and with you — and that the Chaplain arranged to ball rolling about getting a new Nurse Case Manager! There is NO SPACE for ANY adversarial person in the situation.
Merry Christmas to you and yours! 🎄❤
I will pray that you get your new case manager asap.
GA/FL This is an encouraging report, and I’m glad to hear Sally has chosen to take meds as a pre-emptor to pain as it gives her and you the best chance for quality time together.
I was sorry to read about your unnerving interactions with that case manager. It’s my impression she is working in the wrong part of healthcare for her personality (maybe a operating room nurse where patient is “out”!!”), and is definitely ill-suited to being your comfort and support. The more people like you who speak up and ask for a change in personnel, the better … preventing others from the treatment you received at the hands of
someone lacking proper empathy.
You are in my prayers, dear heart. 🩷
Thank you, Aubergine!!! Merry Christmas to all of you!
and to you, Sir!
Merry Christmas!
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Merry Christmas to ALL!!!
…ok, Ok, OK … we’re doing steaks today since the kids are scattered to the 4 winds this year. It’s going to be great, just the two of us!!!
Enjoy!
Merry Christmas!
we are just us too–celebrating our family Christmas earlier this month due to work commitments. We had our turkey dinner yesterday so we have leftovers and football to look forward to today.
Some how I got talked into HAM… full of salt which I can not eat. So I am going to grill a small steak for me. 😊😍🤗
yum! who wouldn’t take steak over ham?
mom always cooked her ham in ginger ale which she said leeched the salt out.
Interesting.
Hopefully Fenben will take care of my problem, and I will be able to eat salt again.
Merry Christmas!
The people that walked in darkness have seen a GREAT LIGHT….
Thank you for addressing this in the opener, Aubergine. May God richly bless you and yours for your commitment to truth seeking. I pray for blessings and good days for each and every one of our fellow Qtreepers on here.
Wifey and I have a brief respite this AM until the Clark Griswold clan arrives at our door around 2 PM. They actually demand that I have Christmas Vacation on the DVD player as they walk in. Family tradition for about 30 years. The grandsons will be all over the place throwing Christmas wrap in the air, the baby will be demanding attention, the adults will be whining about eating too much, and chaos will reign supreme until the last one leaves this evening.
Yup, we all have at least one in that scene, perhaps ourselves. 😀
I give special thanks for the efforts of the docs/staff in wifey’s continued progress in response to the corneal ulcer injury. Gradually there has been healing of the eye with a slow, but steady improvement in vision, just as Wolf explained. Thank you again for all of the prayers and support.
I give thanks to YHWH for choosing to redeem all of us through the virgin birth, life lessons, Cross of Calvary and resurrection of His Son. Happy birthday, Jesus.
Merry Christmas to all of you.
Merry Christmas to you and yours! sounds like an awesome time coming your way!
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How good to hear your wife’s eye injury is healing!
Merry Christmas to you and yours — have a wonderful gathering!
What I find interesting about that scene is Aunt Bethany is 80. Old, but not that old. Both my grandmothers at 80 – 85 were still sharp, my Hubby at 82 is also sharp as are many others in their 80s.
So what is the MESSAGE? — IGNORE old folks they are mentally incapacitated.
That movie is from 1989 so the poisoning of our food supply would be starting to show as dementia and Alzheimer in old folks.
We now know the multinational tobacco companies moved into the food industry.
A Short History of Big Tobacco’s Fling With Food
1988??? 🤔
Merry Christmas!
Apparently a plane crashed in Kazakstan. 29 out of 72, sitting in the tail section survived. The cause of the crash is said to have been a bird strike.
If the bird goes into the engine it can cause a lot of damage.
Aubergine
Thank you so much for all your research into the history behind 25 December as Christmas Day! So much fascinating stuff!
Merry Christmas to you and yours! 🎄💟
Merry Christmas!
Please read, it is well worth it. Our national blessing is dependent upon our faithfulness to God.
https://thelibertydaily.com/this-christmas-let-us-pray/
More of our history that the Commies are trying to wipe out.
EACH DAY WE TAKE UP THE OFFENSIVE WEAPON OF THE WORD OF GOD – THE SWORD OF THE SPIRIT – ONE VERSE OPENS THE DOOR TO THE CONTEXT OF THE CHAPTER MESSAGE
Verse of the Day for Wednesday, December 25, 2024
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“Offer the sacrifices of righteousness, and put your trust in the LORD.”
Psalms 4:5 (KJV)
Thank You, Jesus, for blessings received and prayers answered !!!
WE ARE FIGHTING A SPIRITUAL WAR OF GOOD VERSUS EVIL
PRAYING ON THE ARMOR OF GOD
Father God, I now follow your command to put on the full armor of God, because my battle is not against flesh and blood but against rulers, authorities, the powers of this dark world and against spiritual forces of evil in the unseen world.
I first pray on the Belt of Truth that it may be buckled around my waist, may I be centered and encircled by your truth dear Lord. Hem me inside all that is true and right, and may I be protected and held up by the truth of your living word, in my Lord Jesus name.
I pray on the Breastplate of righteousness, please protect my vital organs and my inner man, cover my integrity, my spirit, and my soul. Guard my heart for it is the wellspring of life, please strengthen and guard the most vulnerable places in my life with that which is right, good, and noble that I might not receive a fatal blow from the enemy, in my Lord Jesus name.
I pray on the Gospel Shoes of Peace. I choose to stand in the shoes of your good news, and on the firm foundation of my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, the solid eternal rock. All other ground is sinking sand, I pray that I will not slip or fall, but that my feet would be firmly fitted on your lordship, my Lord Jesus. I choose to stand on you, so that the peace of God, which transcends all understanding will guard my heart and mind in Christ Jesus, the eternal Rock of Ages. I receive your holy peace now my Lord, from the sole of my feet to the crown of my head, in my Lord Jesus name.
I pray the Shield of Faith into my hand now. As I take up the shield of faith, I ask that you might extinguish every dart and arrow that is launched from the enemy to take me down spiritually, physically, mentally, emotionally, and every attempt of the enemy to destroy my joy. I ask that my faith in you would make it flame out. Extinguish every flaming arrow that would come against me, my life, my family, my home, or my ministry. May my faith always be out in front of me like a shield. Give me the courage to “faith my fears” by choosing to walk by faith and not by sight, in my Lord Jesus name.
I pray on the Helmet of Salvation, that you might protect my mind from the thoughts that can lead me astray. I choose to take every thought captive, and arrest all intentioned ideas and motives that would harm others, or distract me from your holy will for me. I submit every captured thought to the Lordship of my Lord Jesus Christ, and ask that you would imprison those thoughts that are not of you my Lord. Transform my mind and renew my thinking that I may think God thoughts, and have a sober mind that is focused on your glory. Please protect me from being double minded that I may allow my mind, I reject to live an earthly life, because I choose to live a holy one, governed by you My Lord Jesus, the prince of peace, please have my mind to be saturated with the holy mind of Christ, in my Lord Jesus name.
Finally, I take up the Sword of the Spirit which is the holy word of God, I pray this powerful offensive weapon into my hand, and ask that your holy word would be fitting for every encounter I face. As the enemy gets close to me, please give me the insight, wisdom, and skill to wield the word of God to drive away the enemy, in my Lord Jesus name.
May the enemy and his team flee from me, upon hearing the word of God spoken by the power and direction of the Holy Spirit. Give me the sword of the spirit to cut through the wiles of the devil, so that I may discern the schemes of the enemy when he is near.
With all kinds of prayers, supplication, and intercession I pray to you my Lord God as the one who fights my battles. Now that I’m in your holy powerful armor, I walk away covered and ready to face my day as you go before me, and please protect me in the midst of the spiritual warfare in this unseen world, in my Lord Jesus name.
Thank you my Lord, for the spiritual weapons of armor and prayer that you have given me. It is written no weapon formed against me shall prosper, and you will refute every tongue that accuses me.
Thank you Father God, my Lord Jesus and the Holy Spirit, that I am more than a conqueror in my Lord Jesus. I pray all of this in the mighty name of my Lord God and Savior Jesus Christ, Amen.
PLEASE PRAY FOR ABUSED, MISSING, AND TRAFFICKED CHILDREN
BE MY VOICE
JESUS LOVES THE LITTLE CHILDREN
CHILD NOT CHOICE
PLEASE PRAY FOR ONE ANOTHER
MAPA = MAKE AMERICA PRAY AGAIN
FEAR OF THE LORD
The law of the Lord is perfect and true;
It revives the soul – and gives life to you;
The rule of the Lord – you can trust;
It gives wisdom to the simple – a thrust!
The precepts of the Lord are right and real;
They gladden the heart – with righteous zeal;
The commands of the Lord are crystal clear;
They give songs to the voice – chords to the ear!
The Fear of the Lord is holy – abides;
Wherein – the heart – that the Spirit resides;
The decrees of the Lord are true and just;
So Fear of the Lord for all is a must!
More to be desired than the purest gold;
Sweeter than honey from the comb threefold;
For in them – the servant – finds instruction;
From precept to precept – no deduction!
Great reward comes from their very keeping;
Only He can detect error speaking;
Of hidden faults – His justice surely acquits;
From the judgment seat upon which He sits!
From presumption – we must be restrained;
From judging others – we must be retrained;
Under presumption – we make ourselves blameless;
Not cleansed from grave sin – or even shameless!
Let the spoken word of your mouth – win favor;
Let your thoughts be pure – that they He may savor;
Let your heart be of a clean – contrite nature;
Let your heart – the Holy Spirit – capture!
The Fear of the Lord – is not fear at all;
It’s His love in your heart – so answer His call;
His precepts – commands – decrees are all there;
To guide you – correct you – keep you aware!
Be prudent – be faithful – be thankful you are;
Chosen by Him – loved – and cherished by far;
The Fear of the Lord – is His awesomeness;
Give thanks – for His love – and His blessedness!
D01: 11/18/2013
Thank You Duchess! 🙂
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Psalm 91. The most powerful prayer from the Bible. God’s protection, healing
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Pray Everyday
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Sleep Well with Psalms. Psalm 91, Psalm 121, Psalm 3, Psalm 4, Psalm 139.
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HAVE A VERY BLESSED DAY !!! ❤️❤️❤️
Merry Christmas.
Might I suggest another take on December 25 being the correct date of Christ’s birth.
He makes a persuasive argument based on Old Testament priesthood, and the account in the Gospel According to St. Luke of the Blessed Virgin Mary’s visit to her cousin Elizabeth.
Thank you, DP. I will watch this. Merry Christmas!
This interview of Dallas Jenkins, the creator of The Chosen, by Jordan Peterson is phenomenal. I have been listening to it in the background as I read along this morning. I never listen to podcasts, but this one is excellent.
A couple of quotes:
“Where you’re at in five years is none of your business” – Phil Vischer via Dallas Jenkins
“I think I was never an atheist because I was never confident enough in my own doubt to proclaim it as a virtue” – Jordan Peterson, when asked if he was ever an atheist
Thank you, Aubergine, for sharing your research and thoughts with us. After your startling (to me) and thought-provoking suggestion yesterday that, perhaps the 7 days of creation weren’t 24-hour periods as we think of them, I’m open to more ways my beliefs can be expanded 😁🙃 Speaking of how ‘time’ can be perceived so differently, and reading in Scripture that many in Biblical times lived far longer than we do, I wonder if the conception in those days was longer than 9 months, and how that might affect the calculations of birth dates.
Fascinating. I don’t draw conclusions as much as I turn myself more openly to appreciating I don’t know God’s ways … yet 🙏✝️