2025·03·22 We Will Have Justice Daily Thread

What is it that feeds our battle, yet starves our victory?

January 6 Tapes?

Where are the tapes? Anyone, Anyone? Bueller? Johnson??

Paging Speaker Johnson…this is your conscience calling you out on broken promises.

Evading Reality

Many things the Left believes are simply not true. Right now the focus is on the size and scope of our government, and the many many billions of dollars the government has been spending on no-one-knew-what. None of that money is going to a key role of government. Which, after all, has the sole purpose of protecting rights.

And if you, Leftist Lurker, want to dismiss this as dead white cis-male logic…well, you can call it what you want, but then please just go fuck off. No one here buys that bullshit–logic is logic and facts are facts regardless of skin color–and if you gave it a moment’s rational thought, you wouldn’t either. Of course your worthless education never included being able to actually reason–or detect problems with false reasoning–so I don’t imagine you’ll actually wake up as opposed to being woke.

As Ayn Rand would sometimes point out: Yes, you are free to evade reality. What you cannot do is evade the consequences of evading reality. Or to put it concretely: You can ignore the Mack truck bearing down on you as you play in the middle of the street, you won’t be able to ignore the consequences of ignoring the Mack truck.

And Ayn Rand also pointed out that existence (i.e., the sum total of everything that exists) precedes consciousness–our consciousnesses are a part of existence, not outside of it–therefore reality cannot be a “social construct” as so many of you fucked-up-in-the-head people seem to think.

So much for Leftist douchebag lurkers. For the rest of you, the regular readers and those lurkers who understand such things, well here we go for another week of WINNING against the Deep State.

I confess that the novelty has not worn off.

Justice Must Be Done.

The prior election must be acknowledged as fraudulent, and steps must be taken to prosecute the fraudsters and restore integrity to the system.

Yes, we won this time around. Not only did we win, we got to KEEP that win instead of having it stolen from us.

But no one should imagine that that’s the end of electoral fraud. Much work needs to be done to ensure it doesn’t just happen again next time around. And incidentally to rescue those states currently in the grips of self-perpetuating fraud, where the people who stole the last election, make sure it’s easier to steal the next one.

This issue, though it’s not front-and-center right now, is not going away, and if we ignore it, we’ll pay the price. See the article above about the consequences of evading reality.

Lawyer Appeasement Section

OK now for the fine print.

This is the WQTH Daily Thread. You know the drill. There’s no Poltical correctness, but civility is a requirement. There are Important Guidelines,  here, with an addendum on 20191110.

We have a new board – called The U Tree – where people can take each other to the woodshed without fear of censorship or moderation.

And remember Wheatie’s Rules:

1. No food fights
2. No running with scissors.
3. If you bring snacks, bring enough for everyone.
4. Zeroth rule of gun safety: Don’t let the government get your guns.
5. Rule one of gun safety: The gun is always loaded.
5a. If you actually want the gun to be loaded, like because you’re checking out a bump in the night, then it’s empty.
6. Rule two of gun safety: Never point the gun at anything you’re not willing to destroy.
7. Rule three: Keep your finger off the trigger until ready to fire.
8. Rule the fourth: Be sure of your target and what is behind it.

(Hmm a few extras seem to have crept in.)

Spot Prices.

Kitco Ask. Last week:

Gold $2,985.50
Silver $33.87
Platinum $1004.00
Palladium $988.00
Rhodium $5,700.00
FRNSI* 143.424-
Gold:Silver 88.146-

This week, markets closed as of 3PM MT.

Gold $3,024.40
Silver $33.10
Platinum $988.00
Palladium $984.00
Rhodium $6,100.00
FRNSI* 145.305+
Gold:Silver 91.372-

Gold was actually up in the 3040s Wednesday and Thursday but dropped on Friday, (which has been a common pattern for years). Platinum went nowhere. Silver is actually down. My understanding is that gold’s rise has been driven by central bank purchases. Since they don’t bother with silver, that explains why silver is basically tango uniform. The gold:silver ratio has been above 100 before, and I would be surprised if it doesn’t get there again soon.

*The SteveInCO Federal Reserve Note Suckage Index (FRNSI) is a measure of how much the dollar has inflated. It’s the ratio of the current price of gold, to the number of dollars an ounce of fine gold made up when the dollar was defined as 25.8 grains of 0.900 gold. That worked out to an ounce being $20.67+71/387 of a cent. (Note gold wasn’t worth this much back then, thus much gold was $20.67 71/387ths. It’s a subtle distinction. One ounce of gold wasn’t worth $20.67 back then, it was $20.67.) Once this ratio is computed, 1 is subtracted from it so that the number is zero when the dollar is at its proper value, indicating zero suckage.

The Math Behind Radiometric Dating

This is going to be a bit brutal for those who are math phobic. For the rest it will reward careful attention.

Radiometric dating involves, at the very least, measuring the quantities of parent isotopes and daughter isotopes. In some situations it gets more complicated than that, and to be honest those situations are actually the usual ones.

Introducing Uranium-Lead Dating

So let’s take an actual case as an example, a method called uranium-lead dating, because the parent isotope is uranium, and the daughter isotope is lead. Actually there are two sets of parent-daughter isotopes in this case: uranium-238 with daughter isotope lead-206, and uranium-235 to lead-207. (Check: The differences between the mass numbers must be a multiple of 4, because a change of 4 is the effect alpha decay will have. And yes it looks like I got the right numbers. I saw a video recently that swapped the lead isotope numbers; an easy mistake to make.) This makes it a favorite because you can do two datings with one sample.

For simplicity we will start by considering only the uranium-238 to lead-206 pairing. Most dating methods use an isotope that decays directly into the daughter product. U-238 does not do this. It decays into thorium-234 by alpha decay, then there are a chain of thirteen more decays (there are alternate paths, but all are thirteen steps long, not including that first alpha decay) for total of fourteen steps before it gets to lead-206.

[Check this one too. The difference in mass numbers is 238-206=32; dividing by four that is eight alpha decays. But eight alpha decays reduces the number of protons by sixteen, so if that’s all that happened uranium-238 would become osmium-206. (Uranium is element 92; 92-16=76; 76 is osmium.) In order to actually end up with lead (82), we need to, somewhere along the way, get six additional protons; we do that with negative beta decay (β) which turns a neutron into a proton. So six beta decays are needed. Eight alpha decays + six negative beta decays = 14 total decays.]

Is this huge number of decays a problem? In principle it could be, but in this case it’s not. The initial uranium-238 to thorium-234 decay is very slow, with a half life of 4,468,000,000 years. Compared to this the others are practically instantaneous, with uranium-234 to thorium-230 requiring 245,000 years and thorium-230 to radium-226 requiring 75,400 years. Radium-226 to radon-222 has a half life of 1600 years. All of the other decays happen in less than a year and some take less than a second. So, basically, once a uranium-238 atom cuts loose and spits out an alpha particle, it’s going to be a lead-206 atom in less than a couple of million years, tops; which in comparison to the half life of uranium-238 (4,468 million years) is negligible.

Half Lives and the Radioactive Decay Equation

So, let me remind you about half lives. This is the amount of time it takes for half of the atoms in the sample to decay. It’s a little tricky wrapping one’s head around this at first. Surely, if half of the atoms are gone in 4,468 million years, the other half ought to be gone in another 4,468 million years. But it doesn’t work that way.

Each atom is independent of the others, and any given U-238 atom has a totally random 50 percent chance of going “kablooey” sometime within the next 4,468 million years. It could be right now while you’re watching it, or it could be 4,467.999 million years from now. If it doesn’t happen between now and then, guess what? You are still looking at an atom that has a 50 percent chance of going “kablooey” in the next 4,468 million years. The past history doesn’t matter. If the atom is 100,000 million years old already, versus created last year, it still has the same changes of blowing up in the same period of time.

Go to multiple atoms in a sample; billions, trillions or quadrillions of them [a one-gram sample of uranium-238 has 2.53 sextillion (or 2.53 trillion billion) atoms in it]. Since each individual atom has a 50 percent chance of blowing up in the next 4,468 million years, half of them, you don’t know which ones in advance, but half of them will do so. OK, so let’s say your very distant descendant takes your one gram sample and separates out all of the lead and intermediate decay products (the other things on the chain), and he has half a gram of uranium-238. His past does not matter; he has a half-gram sample of uranium-238 and half of it will decay in the next 4,468 million years, leaving his distant descendant with a quarter of a gram of uranium. (And maybe by that time an honest Leftist will have been born.)

The following GIF is a simulation of radioactive decay, with four samples each of four and four hundred atoms. The number at the top is the number of elapsed half lives. (It runs a bit fast unfortunately, so watch closely.)

Another way to talk about it is to say that, for a given isotope, the number of decaying atoms in some time interval is proportional to the current number of atoms.

In fact since the decaying atoms reduce the size of the sample, the number of decays is the rate of change of the size of the sample. Twice as many decays? Twice as fast a reduction.

In order to truly understand radiometric dating we have to understand this, and be able to express it mathematically. And I want you to truly understand it.

Intense Math Alert! Go to the bolded paragraph below to skip this.

Expressing this semi-mathematically, using ∝ for “is proportional to”:

(Number of decays in a specified time interval) ∝ (Current size of sample)

Or:

(rate of change of the sample size) ∝ (Current size of sample)

Or a bit more formally, with N(t) being the number of atoms in the sample at time t, expressed in calculus notation:

−dN/dtN

(The negative sign is because the change is in the downward direction, yet we will want to use a positive constant when we introduce it shortly.)

Or we can make it an equation by creating a proportionality constant, λ, (Greek lower-case lambda); in this case it’s called the decay constant.

−dN/dt = λN

And rearrange just a bit:

dN/N = −λdt

Welcome to the world of differential equations. This one is easy to solve, since the only way a function can be its own derivative is if the function is et, and if you want a function to be its own derivative but multiplied by some number is for the function to be something like ekt., in which case the derivative will be ket. So taking advantage of this fact, we get:

Key Equation: N(t) = N0eλt

Where N0 is the size of the sample at some particular time, and N(t) is the size of the sample at some earlier or later time, t.

[e is the base of the natural logarithms and I talk about it (and logarithms) here: https://www.theqtree.com/2023/05/20/2023%C2%B705%C2%B720-joe-biden-didnt-win-daily-thread/ and here: https://www.theqtree.com/2023/06/17/2023%c2%b706%c2%b717-joe-biden-didnt-win-daily-thread/.]

This concerns the so-called parent nuclide. The daughter product increases, of course. What’s the formula for that? It’s convenient that the number of atoms does not change; even if fewer and fewer of them are the parent isotope. In other words, the total number of atoms, parent + daughter, is always N0 no matter how much (or how little) decay has happened. That means that to get the number of daughter atoms, you can simply subtract the number of parent atoms from the original number of parent atoms. I’m using subscripts p and d here to indicate number of parent and daughter atoms

Nd(t) = N0Np(t)

Substituting in the Key Equation for Np:

Nd(t) = N0N0eλt

But this just begs to be simplified a bit:

Nd(t) = N0(1 − eλt)

Earlier I was talking in terms of half lives, but we don’t see that here; we see this funky lambda constant instead. Can we get to a formula that uses half lives?

Yes but before we proceed I should say something about λ. We’re eventually going to want to put an actual numerical value on it, but it’s important to note that this is a number that applies to some given time interval. A second, a year, a million years. This number is actually the fraction of the sample that decays in whatever time interval you choose. So if a trillionth of the sample decays in one second, λ is one trillionth (0.000000000001), but to express that in years, you need to multiply it by 60 × 60 × 24 × 365.25, and if you want it to express it for millions of years, you have to multiply it again by another million. In this case we’re dealing with geology and our λ values will be set for million-year units.

The first step is to simply invert λ, defining a new constant τ:

τ = 1/λ

This gives you the average lifetime for an atom of the parent isotope, in whatever unit (seconds, years, millions of years, whatever) that you used for λ.

Note that this is not the same as half life. Half life is the time it takes for half of the atoms to go kablooey, but that’s not the average time it will take for one to do so. Some atoms ( one in 1024) will survive ten half lives, and they pull the average up. But it’s easy to get to the half life, t1/2 from here–multiply by the natural log of 2 (about 0.693):

t1/2 = τ ln(2) = ln(2) / λ

The reverse process:

λ = ln(2) / t1/2

And it turns out that there’s a version of the Key Equation with the half life…actually two versions that are equivalent to each other.

Cumbersome Half Life Key Equation: N(t) = N0e−ln(2)t/t1/2

This is ugly so it gets simplified as follows:

Simple Half Life Key Equation: N(t) = N0 2-(t/t1/2)

This one is intuitive in terms of half lives. Raise 1/2 to the power of the number of half lives that have elapsed to get the fraction of atoms remaining, then multiply by the original number. Or equivalently raise 2 to the negative power of the number of half lives.

So do we prefer working with λ or with t1/2? Scientific calculators come with an ex key; they never come with a 2x key–which forces us to work with that cumbersome formula above if we want to use half lives. (Honestly I’d write a program if it were a programmable calculator: store the half life in memory, and input the time, let the program do all the steps in the Cumbersome equation.) On the other hand I am having a very difficult time finding a table of isotope decay rates; half lives are easy to find.

END OF INTENSE MATH but be aware there will be a lot of applying the equations from here on out. That’s basically arithmetic, though, not differential equations.

For those of you rejoining us here, I’m going to repeat the formulas and definitions:

Decay Rate Key Equation: N(t) = N0eλt

Cumbersome Half Life Key Equation: N(t) = N0e−ln(2)t/t1/2

Simple Half Life Key Equation: N(t) = N0 2-(t/t1/2)

N(t) is the number of atoms of the parent isotope (the one that’s decaying away) at any given time t. N0 is the original number of atoms of the parent isotope.

t1/2 is the half life. λ is the decay constant, the fraction of the sample that decays in some specified time (seconds, or millions of years, as appropriate). Dividing 1 by λ gives τ, the average lifetime of an atom in the sample.

I rarely see λ used. But for uranium-238 it’s: 4.916 x 10-18 (when working in seconds) and 1.551 x 10-10 (when working in years). If you use the latter number you need to supply t in years, not seconds–which, let’s face it, is more likely what you want to do anyway. In fact, this is geology (or have you forgotten?): You probably want millions of years, in which case λ for uranium-238 is 1.551 x 10-4.

In fact, let me supply the numbers for U-235, U-238, and thorium-232, since we’re going to be mentioning them at some point below.

Isotope
U-235
U-238
Th-232

Half Life (My) t1/2
704
4468
14,050

Decay Rate λ
984.6 × 10−6
155.1 × 10−6
49.33 × 10−6

(I here took the liberty of using “engineering” numbers rather than strict scientific notation (where the power is set so only one number is left of the decimal point) so that you could compare the decay rates more readily. The engineering mode uses powers that are multiples of three so it’s easy to write out a metric prefix, e.g, 1.32 × 104 watts (scientific notation) becomes 13.2 × 103 watts (engineering notation) or 13.2 kW (very readily read off the engineering notation).)

OK, there is some more math but at least I’m not slinging differential equations any more:

Determining Age (The Simple, Ideal Case)

Since we are dating a sample rather than predicting how much will be left after some time, these formulas are backwards. Instead of telling us how much is left after a known time has elapsed, we expect to know how much is left, and want to know how much time it took to get to that point.

Rearranging the Decay Rate Key Equation we get:

t = ln(N/N0) / –λ

or, getting rid of the minus sign by taking the natural log of the reciprocal instead:

The Dating Equation: t = ln(N0/N)/λ.

(“ln” is the natural log; the logarithm to the base e.)

OK so how do we apply this?

In principle, we can analyze some rock to determine how much U-235, Pb-207, U-238, Pb-206, and for bonus, Th-232 and Pb-208 is in it. We will want to know numbers of atoms–or at least the ratio of the number of atoms, not weight, but it’s easy enough to convert. We can then use the last formula above three times, remembering that (for the U-235 case) N0 is actually the sum of the U-235+Pb-207 numbers, whereas N is just the U-235 count. So you have two (or three, if you are checking thorium as well) pairs of numbers; run the calculation with each one. You now have three answers; if they are all the same, you’re in business.

Here’s an example: A rock that happens to be 704 million years old. You don’t know this (real science doesn’t have the answers in the back of the book), but you want to, so you take a tiny sample. For now we’ll assume no pre-existing daughter nuclides, no losses of any atoms over time from the sample, and no contamination of the sample. You put that sample into a mass spectrometer, which vaporizes the sample, ionizes the atoms, and sends them past a magnet at high speed. The atoms, being charged, will follow curved paths past the magnet. Heavier atoms will be bent less by the magnet. We put a detector downstream and it notes how many atoms hit where an atom of mass 206 should strike. Also for 207, 208, 232, 235, and 238.

What does our scientist see? It so happens I picked that number for a reason; it’s the half life of U-235. So our scientist will see equal numbers of U-235 and Pb-207, say 5 million of each. It doesn’t matter, it’s the ratio between the two that matters, and in this case it’s 1:1. That will probably make him smile because he won’t even have to pull out his calculator for that one–he will already know the answer. But he decides to check that, so what about U-238 and Pb-206? He will see 11.54 atoms of Pb-206 for every hundred atoms of U-238. Say, 1 billlion atoms of U-238 and 115.4 million atoms of Pb-206 But in order to use the formula above, he needs N0/N, the ratio of the remaining parent atoms (1 billion) divided by the total number of atoms involved in this (parent + daughter), to the number of remaining atoms. So what he wants is (1 billion + 115.4 million)/1 billion = 1,115,400,000/1,000,000,000 = 1.0577. When he plugs that into the dating equation t = ln(N0/N)/λ, being careful to use the value of λ for U-238, he gets 703.98 million years. Now he’s really happy because his numbers match. If he checks Th-232/Pb-208 he’ll get (regardless of the actual amounts) 3.534 atoms of lead-208 for every hundred atoms of thorium-232. Using this, he gets N0/N of 1.0353, divides by λ for Th-232 (49.33 × 10−6), hits the ex key on his calculator…and the age comes out as 704.1 million years. Now he’s grinning ear to ear, because he took three sets of measurements, independent of each other, and got the same result every time. What could be easier? (Actually a lot of things could be easier; actually analyzing the sample in order to get those six numbers is painstaking work.)

That’s the third grade version of what is called “uranium-lead dating.”

[In the light of a joke Pat Frederick made last time, uranium-lead radiometric dating is when her father shoots you full of lead or depleted uranium because he caught you shooting his daughter full of something else. But that’s the high-school level version.]

How To Deal With Non-Ideal Cases

I said this was the third grade version. That’s because I made a bunch of assumptions for this case. I said so before, and now I am going to repeat them.

  1. No initial daughter nuclides (in other words the rock contained no lead when it was formed).
  2. Neither a) any lead nor b) any uranium (or thorium) leached out of the rock since it was formed, since that will mess up our ratios when we measure them.
  3. No contamination of the sample either from natural processes or as it is collected and analyzed.

The problem is when dealing with rocks it’s never that tidy, though it can get close. We cannot simply assume that the sample started out with no daughter isotope in it. Or make any of those other assumptions, at least not without justification.

So when uranium-lead dating is done (in the lab, not in her house), it’s usually done with the mineral zircon. The chemical formula for this is ZrSiO4. It’s a silicate of zirconium, element #40. Here is an insanely nice specimen of zircon:

But hold on here. There’s no uranium in this mineral!

There’s no uranium, if it’s pure. However these crystals form in a mass of molten rock (magma), and this is Planet Earth unfiltered and unpurified. There will, therefore, almost always be impurities in it. (This is why pure white diamonds are very valuable; they have little to no impurities in them and that is a rare situation indeed.)

Zircon crystals will form in any igneous rock as it solidifies from magma. In fact, they’re practically the first thing that will form. (This is good because it’s easier for a crystal in still-liquid medium to reject impurities than it is, if almost everything surrounding it is already solidified.) They typically end up being the size of sand grains, and so any sizeable igneous rock will have a number of them in it. Zircons are also harder than quartz, with a Mohs hardness of 7.5 vs. quartz’s 7.0. (They will scratch steel and glass.) Which means they will be hard to damage, and can erode out of an igneous rock and end up incorporated in a sedimentary rock, essentially undamaged.

As it happens, if there is any uranium (either isotope, it doesn’t matter because we’re doing chemistry at the moment) in the magma, it can be incorporated in the zircon quite readily. So can thorium. The uranium atoms end up as part of the crystal, replacing some of the zirconium. But the cool thing about it, and the reason we want zircon crystals, is that lead is rejected as the crystal forms. So the innards of the new crystal will contain some uranium, and no lead whatsoever.

Furthermore, uranium won’t leach out of the zircon crystals over time.

That’s handy! And sedimentary rocks will have the crystals too, once they erode from igneous rocks. The thing to remember about the crystals in sedimentary rock is that dating those crystals will not give you the age of the sedimentary rock, but rather the age of some igneous rock that eroded, the grains from which became part of the sedimentary rock. They will put a maximum on the age of the sedimentary rock, but no minimum (maybe it formed last Tuesday).

This is a bit of a pain, because we find fossils, including index fossils, almost entirely in sedimentary rock. It’s not insurmountable, but that’s a topic for a future post. For now let’s stick to igneous rock.

If we take care to use the innards of the zircon crystal, rather than the surface, and run our lab like a clean room, we can reduce the possibility of contamination. If there is contamination in spite of all of these, we won’t get consistent answers (as we did in our example above) and can just disregard the results from that sample.

We’ve taken care of every assumption, except for 2a: We don’t know whether or not any lead leached out of the crystal after it was formed. And that does happen. Zircon crystals don’t like lead, so they’ll push it out if they have a chance, while hanging on to the uranium and thorium that’s still left.

One thing that can cause this is if the zircon is heated to over 900 C after it is formed, like happens when the rock it is part of is transformed into a metamorphic rock. Also, ironically, the uranium’s radiation can actually damage the crystal as it decays, allowing lead to leak out at lower temperatures. (And remember, every uranium-238 atom that decays emits radiation fourteen times!)

OK so how do we deal with this?

Let’s go back to our example of the 704 million year old unicorn rock that had no issues with it. Make it a rock with some number of zircon crystals, and we’ll use the crystals.

The crystals will all have different rates of lead loss, slightly different but different enough for this to work. So let’s take a specific crystal, and let’s say it has lost fifty percent of its lead.

How does a scientist use this to date the rock?

Let’s first see what he measures.

In our previous example, the scientist saw 5 million atoms each of U-235 and Pb-207. This time, though, unbeknownst to the scientist, half of the lead leaked out before the sample was collected. So what he sees instead is 5 million atoms of U-235 and 2.5 million atoms of Pb-207. It looks like N0 is 7.5 million (not 10 million) so he does the division N0/N and comes up with 3/2 (instead of 2).

He plugs that into the Dating Equation:

t = ln(N0/N)/λ

using λ for U-235 and gets: 411.8 million years (probably rounding it to 412).

We happen to know this is wrong. He doesn’t.

Not yet, anyway.

Next, he works U-238 and Pb-206. This time he sees a billion atoms of U-238, but instead of 115.4 million atoms of Pb-206, he only sees 57.7 million. So he is dividing 1,057,700,000 by 1,000,000,000, and getting 1.0577. Plugging that into the Dating Equation with the decay constant for U-238, he gets 361.597…okay, 362 million years. Doing the same exercise with thorium (I’ll save you the gory details) yields an age of 355.1 million years, or 355 million.

These numbers are all over the freaking map. None of them are even remotely right…and this guy has been doing this sort of work for more than two weeks so he knows that this variation actually means he’s nowhere close, and he’s dealing with crystals that lost some of their lead.

What to do now?

Concordia Diagrams to the Rescue

Analyze another zircon crystal, and another. Let’s say the next one has only 40 percent loss of the lead. In that case the U-235 date is 477 million years, the U-238 date is 432 million years, and the thorium date is 425 million years.

He accumulates at least a few of these sets of data.

OK now the mathematical tool comes in. Bring out a sheet of graph paper and label the horizontal Pb-207/U-235 and the vertical Pb-206/U-238.

Before doing anything with the data collected, we have a bit of prep to do. We have to draw a line that shows the values where the two dates are in “concord” (agreement) with each other, and this will be called a “concordia diagram”

For instance, for an age of 100 million years, a perfect rock (like in my first example) will show 90.6 percent U-235 and 9.377 percent Pb-207. Dividing the two we get a ratio 0.1035. The same ideal rock would be 98.5 percent U-238 and 1.54 percent Pb-206. (We’re going to ignore the thorium for now), the ratio is 0.0156. So put a mark at 0.1035 on the horizontal and 0.0156 on the vertical. Label that mark “100.”

Do this for a bunch of different ages and you get this sort of curved line, with different points on the line labeled with different ages. It goes up to the right, but instead of being a straight line it bulges slightly upward.

Note this is a bit different from the graphs we made in Algebra 1. There, we had the independent variable along the horizontal axis, and the dependent variable on the vertical axis. This time we have two dependent variables, those two ratios, off of one independent variable (the age that would give those ratios under ideal circumstances). We are plotting the two dependent variables against each other.

(You don’t have to do all of this math every time, because the points are always the same. I would bet that it’s in tables. In fact, I wouldn’t be surprised if there was graph paper with this line pre-printed on it, though in the modern digital age that may have fallen by the wayside.)

In fact, I just used a spreadsheet to compute the values for 100, 200, 300…and so on up to 1000 million years, and plotted them. (I wasn’t able to get the spreadsheet to label the points.) In this case, 100 million years is at the lower left, and 1 billion years is at the upper right.

OK, now that you have this blank template, plot all of your measurements on it. For the first sample, there were 2.5 million atoms of Pb-207 and 5 million of U-235, so the ratio is 0.5. That’s your “x” value. And there were 57.7 million Pb-206 atoms versus 1 billion U-238 atoms, so the ratio is 0.0577. That’s your y value. Plot a point at (0.5, 0.0577)

Repeat for the other samples. These data points should lie along a straight line (if it’s not exact there are mathematical methods to find the “best fit” line). Extend it, and it will cross the curved line in two places. The upper right intersection represents the original ratios, you then can backtrack to figure out what age that point on the curved line represents. And you will get 704 million years, which is the actual age of the rock you pulled the zircon crystals from.

I can’t seem to get sample points onto the graph I just uploaded, but what I can do is show you an actual concordia diagram. This one was used to date rocks from the Klamath Mountains in Northern California. In this case as you can see the age is 461.17 +/- 31 Ma. (Spoiler: This turns out to be the middle of the Ordovician period. My example 704 million year old rock would, if real, come from the Cryogenian period.)

The upshot of this is, the concordia diagram lets you use the fact that there are two measurements to account for loss of daughter isotope, provided you can take multiple samples (with different amounts of loss) from the same rock.

What about the thorium-to-lead part? One could use Pb-208/Th-232 in a concordia diagram, instead of one of the two lead/uranium isotopes, but thorium decays more slowly so its ratios are smaller and a tiny variation in the measurement leads to a bigger variation in the date. The two uranium-lead numbers are more sensitive, so they get used instead.

There is a closely related method called Lead-Lead dating. I’ll cover that next time. Meanwhile, you’re probably wondering. What’s the oldest rock we’ve found?

Quit Holding Out On Us

The oldest “hit” found using zircons and uranium-lead dating so far is some zircon crystals taken from a rock in the Jack Hills in Western Australia, north of Perth. The crystals were found in a sedimentary rock, so the rock as a whole is younger than the zircons, which came out of an igneous rock that eroded a long time ago.

And that number came out to be: 4,404 +/- 8 million years.

Remember that this is a minimum age for the Earth. We’ll improve on it.

Here’s a picture of a Jack Hills rock:

It is believed that this rock (as a combined entity) is about 3 billion years old (that’s not a very precise number, but that’s the point; it’s hard to date sedimentary rocks), but obviously it’s made of older stuff, including those ancient zircon crystals.

I want to close by emphasizing that uranium-lead dating has been used countless times, and between that and other methods of dating I’ll be covering soon–also used countless times–we have built up a consistent notion of Earth’s age and ages for events during Earth’s “lifetime.” This isn’t a one-off that was then uncritically accepted.

Other, slightly newer zircons (4.3 billion years old) from the same area have had their oxygen atoms examined and the isotopic mix there (O-16 vs. O-17 vs. O-18, all stable) implies there was already liquid water on Earth’s surface.

And accepting these numbers isn’t a “presupposition” (as some people would claim) because the numbers are the results of a lot of evidence and scientific investigation.

If you want to dispute numbers in the millions and billions of years, you are going up against, quite literally, tons of hard evidence.

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Gudthots

Thanks. Interesting stuff.
Appreciate the photos of the crystals too.

jgreen42

A Rhodium ring has a nice ring to it

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

That’s cool. Might check out rhodium plated stuff.

Gudthots

Gen Flynn asks if the video posted yesterday of the DoD saying they can’t take out drones was dubbed by AI.

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https://nitter.poast.org/GenFlynn/status/1902757164042568027

scott467

General Greg, for the sake of comedy, let’s suppose your assessment is actually true.

In such a case, why on earth would you go on CBS and blab to the whole world that America is defenseless?

To which strategic military school of thought do you ascribe credit for this admission?

Furthermore, the chyneese certainly know whether America is defenseless against their drones or not, because they are in a position to know, both from testing our defenses and because the gov’t and the military are riddled with chyneese spies.

So even if your declaration was true, in which case the enemy already knows it’s true, what do you gain from making such an admission on CBS?

Finally, who is your commanding officer, and did he (or they/them?) authorize you to make this admission?

Gudthots

I’ve looked around at @secdef’s X.com feed and I don’t see any disclaimers, so I’m guessing we will see something about a career change for this guy pretty soon.

pgroup2

Five minutes before he posted the video would be about right.

Gail Combs

A career change to cleaning the latrines in Gitmo.

cthulhu

So, for the Klamath Mountains sample — is that where Concordia meets Cascadia?

Gudthots
scott467

“DC Judge wants to throw J6ers back in prison.”
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I want to throw D.C. judges in prison.

So, how do we decide who goes first?

Gudthots

Based on other battles we have witnessed, it feels like we are getting near the end of the “destroy their brand” stage of things.

TheseTruths

For the uninitiated like me, that was definitely math overload! But your explanations are clear and basic (3rd-grade level! 😎), and I now have a much better understanding about the process of radiometric dating. Thank you.

TheseTruths

Thanks for that addition that expands my knowledge base even more. I would never venture to discuss this topic with anyone because I don’t have the knowledge or experience to tell whether I’m being conned. “Don’t try this at home” applies.

TheseTruths

I was going to mention that flerfers can come up with arguments that I wouldn’t know how to counter, as well. They play on people’s lack of knowledge of that particular topic. And some of them are ignorant in certain ways and don’t know it or won’t admit it.

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

This reminds me of some problem that was shown on Veritasium – I don’t recall the specifics – in which a hidden rotation happens during a revolution of one circle around another, and realizing this explains the actual numerical result.

scott467

Good news on suppressors (silencers) from the Bondi DoJ, and good news about the newest appointment to the ATF.

Also, apparently someone named Sauer (sp?) is going to be the Solicitor General (IIRC), the person who represents the Trump administration / DoJ in court cases, has NOT yet been confirmed. He is expected to be, but as usual, Creep State is dragging their feet as long as possible.

Until he is confirmed, the analogy used (as I remember it) is that it’s like having a team owner (Trump), and a General Manager (Bondi), but no head coach.

Once Sauer is confirmed, the administration will be in a much better position to defend itself against the hilariously corrupt judicial tyranny taking place:

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Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

LOL!!! I’m watching it right now, and YEAH.

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

Bottom line, don’t worry. Acting US attorney for Louisiana submitted old Briben Admin legal points to appeals court, Bondi told court “hold on, we’re still waiting for our varous people to be confirmed and this submission may (read WILL) change, court understands it’s a nothingburger now.

pgroup2

It’s the Steve Bannon method: use many rabbit trails, jump from one to another for no good reason, repeat set-up facts ad nauseum, and never finish a sentence despite using a clause leading up to a conclusion [with a period].

I’ve lost count of the times I’ve sworn to never listen to his show again.  😮  🙃 

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

Great video. Dude is long-winded but EXACTING.

TheseTruths

From Friday afternoon:

DNI Tulsi Gabbard:

UPDATE: An additional 13,700 unredacted pages of JFK assassination files that were previously available for review only in-person at NARA, have been digitized and are now available online at http://archives.gov/jfk. This brings the total number of pages available online to over 77,000. (1/3)

https://twitter.com/DNIGabbard/status/1903177903157940648

TheseTruths

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Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

AMEN! Lawfare interpretations are still lawfare!

TheseTruths

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It makes sense for a known enemy within to be stopped. We have too many of those in Congress who are violating their oaths of office.

scott467

Buh-bye, Babu!

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TheseTruths

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para59r

Just a note…. if you step through the video that girl just before she falls as she’s reaching for the hat she is smirking and smiling, appearing to be enjoying the chase.
I’m beginning to think that we were set up here but that’s okay, it’s a great TDS vid and likely could happen any where. Oh.. she also looks like she could easily be the guys sister… 😮

TheseTruths

You think they look alike? I’m not seeing it. I also don’t think a girl would face-plant on purpose on a hard surface while running at that speed. I also would think that, if they were brother and sister, someone who knows one or the other or both of them would have spoken up by now. We’ll see.

para59r

She has both hands out in front of her making contact with the ground first. Watch your slow mo vid but make sure you watch it full screen.

Gudthots

Reminds me of that other subway video with the guy doing an assist by taking the runners coat.

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

To me she had the self-satisfied leftist smirk, but was a klutz with both hands out in front, over her own skis, then fell forward. To me it looked more idiotsville than staged.

pgroup2

I also don’t think a girl would face-plant on purpose on a hard surface while running at that speed.

Fall guys and fall gals do it every day.

For money.

In movies.

It’s what they do.

TheseTruths

You think those guys are professionals? I agree with Wolf that it was just “idiotsville.”

pgroup2

No, the comment was that nobody would do that fall on purpose. I was merely pointing out that there are people who make good money doing precisely that.

Whether that was a fall gal or not, I don’t know.

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

Hilarious!!!

scott467

She never had a chance…

Like me chasing Michael Jordan on a breakaway… 🤣

Firefly

Ha!  :wpds_lol: 

TheseTruths

Nick Sortor:

#BREAKING: President Trump has just REVOKED the legal status of 530,000 Haitians, Cubans, Nicaraguans, and Venezuelans imported by Joe Biden by plane

CUE THE MASS DEPORTATIONS! 🔥

The Biden administration was secretly flying in these foreigners and releasing them all throughout the country.

This was all part of the Democrat plan to change the voting base around the country, rigging elections in favor of democrats permanently.

And that plan is CRUMBLING.

https://twitter.com/nicksortor/status/1903212663909261491

scott467

“The Biden administration was secretly flying in these foreigners and releasing them all throughout the country.

This was all part of the Democrat plan to change the voting base around the country, rigging elections in favor of democrats permanently.”

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How is that NOT grounds for criminal charges against every single person involved and associated with the intentional effort to subvert our Republic?

How is that not a direct, intentional, premeditated, criminal attack on the United States of America by the Biden administration?

If I had done something like that, do you suppose I might face some kind of legal jeopardy?

Do we have Equal Justice Under Law in America, or is that just a cheap graffiti slogan spray painted on the front of the (not)Supreme Court?

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kalbokalbs

^^^ It is all the above. PLUS…

The airlines, air crews – pilots and cabin crew, airport staff in on the grift, CBP, immigration all in on the grift.

^^^ Everyone of these assholes should have been blabbing on social media, to the press, conservatives…

Cuppa Covfefe

That’s why they needed all the DEI hires…..

TheseTruths

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Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

THIS. It’s remarkable how quickly they’ve turned to rad left nullification when they lost power.

Aubergine

I’m not even a little surprised. I thought there would be riots, etc. the day after the election. I raised three kids, and toddlers, when thwarted, can only do what they have the intellectual and emotional capacity to do; throw a fit.

Aubergine

Me, too.

pgroup2

This is a new kind of meme – no humor, just hard fact.

scott467

More on the new ATF appointment:

Huge Hire by the ATF!
in News
Published On: March 20, 2025 
Updated: March 20, 2025 BY Larry Z

“A major shake-up just hit the ATF, and according to Washington Gun Law President William Kirk, it’s a big win for lawful gun owners.

Pam Bondi, the newly sworn-in Attorney General, has just hired Professor Robert Leider as Assistant Director and Chief Counsel of the ATF.

While Bondi’s tenure has drawn skepticism from the Second Amendment community, Kirk believes this move could signal major changes ahead — and for once, they might be good ones.

Table of contents

Who Is Robert Leider and Why Does This Matter?

What This Means for the Future of the ATF

A Rare Win for Gun Owners Under Bondi’s Leadership

What’s Next?

Who Is Robert Leider and Why Does This Matter?
For anyone unfamiliar with Robert Leider, Kirk lays out exactly why this hire is a major development.

Leider holds a law degree from Yale, a PhD from Georgetown, and an undergraduate degree from George Washington University.He has clerked at the U.S. Court of Appeals and the Supreme Court.Most importantly, he’s a staunch Second Amendment advocate and has written extensively on firearm laws.This isn’t some bureaucratic pencil-pusher looking to expand the ATF’s overreach. In fact, just last year, Leider wrote a piece titled:

Gun Rights Advocates Would Benefit More From ATF Reform Than the Agency’s Elimination.”

That’s exactly what Kirk and many in the pro-2A community have been discussing for years. Instead of outright abolishing the ATF (which would just shift its powers to another federal agency like the FBI), a major restructuring could actually protect gun rights better in the long run.

What This Means for the Future of the ATF
So, does this mean the ATF is going away? Kirk is clear: probably not.

Instead, this hire suggests the agency could be undergoing serious changes, possibly even downsizing. A “partially neutered” ATF, as Kirk puts it, might be far better than one running wild with executive overreach.

More importantly, Leider’s legal background makes him uniquely qualified to handle the litigation surrounding federal gun laws.

His work at the Supreme Court and appellate levels means he understands exactly how gun cases play out in court, which could help curb some of the ATF’s worst abuses against lawful gun owners.

A Rare Win for Gun Owners Under Bondi’s Leadership
Kirk acknowledges that many gun rights advocates remain skeptical of Bondi — and with good reason. But he argues that this is, without a doubt, one of the best moves she could have made.

Yes, there are still big questions surrounding Bondi’s leadership. Yes, we’re still waiting on Trump’s executive order summaries and other pro-2A commitments. But for today, Kirk says, let’s give credit where it’s due:

“This is an extremely, extremely good hire.”

What’s Next?
While this move doesn’t immediately solve all the ATF’s problems, it does suggest that the agency may be headed in a different direction. And for gun owners who have been fighting federal overreach for years, that’s a step in the right direction.

Washington Gun Law promises to keep a close eye on what happens next. As Kirk puts it, the jury’s still out on Bondi, but this could be the first real sign of meaningful ATF reform.

For now, gun owners should stay informed, engaged, and ready to fight for their rights.”

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TheseTruths

Good news about the hire. For the rest, it’s like so many articles that praise Trump for something but have to throw in the negatives. It’s as if those function as a security blanket for some people, like they have to be on their guard because if they place too much confidence in someone and they make the slightest (perceived) misstep, their world will crumble, or something.

Yes, there are still big questions surrounding Bondi’s leadership. Yes, we’re still waiting on Trump’s executive order summaries and other pro-2A commitments.

Not me. 😅

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

Agreed! “Not me!”

pgroup2

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

Trust me – it’s ALWAYS Dindu Nuffins!

pgroup2

Your comment sounds like hundreds I’ve heard from guys discussing dating after divorce. A bit gun shy, if you’ll pardon the pun.

TheseTruths

Battered Conservative Syndrome and getting burned in a relationship and a lot of other situations have similarities, but IMO that’s no excuse to spew out the insecurities every time they write for public consumption. Disappointments are almost inevitable, but move forward with courage. 🤺

Aubergine

`They’ve probably been reading Sundance. King Eeyore of Negativity Mountain.

TradeBait2

Yup. My browser no longer visits there.

Aubergine

🙂

scott467

He still posts lots of good articles, things it is good to be aware of, that I don’t see covered elsewhere, at least not to the same depth and background.

Aubergine

Some things, yes, which is why I look. But his endless negative attitude has resulted in a comment section wherein even when the news is good, the Eeyore contingent abounds. It reminds me of the opening of this song, which is from one of my all-time favorite albums:

scott467

The post is addressing their readership, being responsive to the ‘Second Amendment community’:

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“While Bondi’s tenure has drawn skepticism from the Second Amendment community, Kirk believes this move could signal major changes ahead — and for once, they might be good ones.”
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Do you consider yourself part of that ‘Second Amendment community’?

Are you familiar with their concerns or complaints?

They appear to be giving credit where credit is due, acknowledging the good, while remaining vigilant about her past. Is that wrong of them?

Should they be uncritical cheer leaders?

What is just the right amount of criticism — not too hot, and not too cold?

The 2nd Amendment isn’t just another issue among issues. Without the 2nd Amendment, all the other issues are ultimately moot.

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TheseTruths

I am not part of that community, but the article was brought here, and it follows the exact pattern that I described. I don’t think it’s reasonable for each “community” to have a laundry list of things they expect and to criticize people who have recently gotten into office because they haven’t met their expectations.

As for what is just the right amount of criticism, why criticize someone at all who is newly appointed and has a thousand other things on his or her plate? Why not say something like, “We in this community will continue to petition this person to address our concerns,” or “We hope our concerns will be addressed soon” or “before the next legislative session,” or something? Why is it always something like this: “Kirk acknowledges that many gun rights advocates remain skeptical of Bondi — and with good reason.” 

Of course people can criticize — they do it all the time — but I wonder how productive or effective it is. It strikes me as being similar to managing employees. Is in-your-face negative assessment effective, or is a more understanding approach, taking the employee’s workload and situation into account, more useful?

It also strikes me as being passive. Maybe that group is actively petitioning the DOJ to address their concerns, but the article doesn’t mention that.

scott467

“I am not part of that community, but the article was brought here, and it follows the exact pattern that I described.”

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Indeed, it was brought here to point out something good, but you focused on the negative.

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“I don’t think it’s reasonable for each “community” to have a laundry list of things they expect and to criticize people who have recently gotten into office because they haven’t met their expectations.”

___________

Whether it is reasonable or not, that’s just reality. They supported DJT because he supported their cause(s). They did their part to get him into office, now they want results, same as any other constituency.

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“As for what is just the right amount of criticism, why criticize someone at all who is newly appointed and has a thousand other things on his or her plate?”

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Because the enemy isn’t taking a break or allowing a grace period, so how can we?

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“Why not say something like, “We in this community will continue to petition this person to address our concerns,” or “We hope our concerns will be addressed soon” or “before the next legislative session,” or something?”

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Because nobody takes that approach, not even the flaming Left.

Why would the definitely not flaming conservative 2nd Amendment community take such an approach?

Historically speaking, does the approach you recommend have any record of success?

Or does the squeaky wheel get the grease?

From a purely pragmatic standpoint, the approach you suggest is a non-starter. It just doesn’t work like that, except maybe at a McRomney white elbow-length glove champagne dinner at a country club on Martha’s Vineyard.

Or maybe at a Women’s Rotary Club speech, for example.

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“Why is it always something like this: “Kirk acknowledges that many gun rights advocates remain skeptical of Bondi — and with good reason.” ”

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That is why I asked earlier whether you considered yourself part of the Second Amendment community. If you were a member of the Second Amendment community, perhaps you would understand why “many gun rights activists remain skeptical of Bondi“.

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“Of course people can criticize — they do it all the time — but I wonder how productive or effective it is.”

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It is certainly more effective than remaining passive and silent — not that there’s anything wrong with that… 😂

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“It strikes me as being similar to managing employees. Is in-your-face negative assessment effective, or is a more understanding approach, taking the employee’s workload and situation into account, more useful?”

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It goes without saying that we’d all like a gentler, softler, squishier, safe-spacier, more femininier approach to politics.

Speaking only for myself, it would be great to have Helen sing a little intro before each of my posts. You know, give it a little feminist sassy sauce, to complement my style.

But as you may have heard, politics ain’t beach ball. Or beach bag. Or ball bean. You know, the thingbeanbag, that’s it! 🤣

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“It also strikes me as being passive. Maybe that group is actively petitioning the DOJ to address their concerns, but the article doesn’t mention that.”

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The Second Amendment community is very active… of that you may be sure 😁

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Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

I think every community within patriots contains both anxious worriers and passive putter-uppers. The 2A community (to which I belong) is no exception. I expected Bondi to be “OK” or better, but not as good as she is turning out to be.

IMO, Bondi’s time under DeSantis and then working for Trump have both helped to make her a much stronger patriot in all ways, especially compared to 2012. Thus, she’s not the same person who let Zimmerman twist in the wind (although I have sometimes thought that the outcome was expected by the prosecution, and the whole thing was drama with a partial goal of exposing exactly what was exposed).

In any case, I am very pleased by Pam Bondi’s performance so far!

TheseTruths

I expected Bondi to be “OK” or better, but not as good as she is turning out to be.

Same here. There was so much negativity surrounding her that my expectations were not as high as they were for some other nominees.

I have noticed repeatedly that people in Trump’s orbit can and do improve. I’ve seen it over and over during Trump’s time in politics. (Who ever expected Marco Rubio to be secretary of state? Who ever thought that all the former Dems who are now in his cabinet would ever become Repubs, and consistent patriots?) This is due to a combination of his leadership abilities, his expectations, public expectations, and the Dems losing their minds.

I agree that Bondi has probably become a stronger patriot over the years. It seems to be true of a number of people.

TheseTruths

Indeed, it was brought here to point out something good, but you focused on the negative.

I acknowledged the good first. The negative was not my focus but was pervasive in the article.

Because the enemy isn’t taking a break or allowing a grace period, so how can we?

Our harping on something in an ineffectual way does not equate to being warriors.

Because nobody takes that approach, not even the flaming Left.

And that could be why so little ever gets done. What I described is exactly the approach that an effective manager takes, and we do have a manager who takes that approach, in PDJT. He has high expectations while getting results through praising people’s efforts and acomplishments.

Historically speaking, does the approach you recommend have any record of success?

Absolutely. A positive approach is often very effective. Trump uses it all the time. Using positivity and leverage, and often presenting a win-win situation, is one way he gets deals done.

This is the opposite of “the beatings will continue until morale improves.”

It is certainly more effective than remaining passive and silent — not that there’s anything wrong with that… 😂 

Nope, you can’t turn the tables like that. Passivity is what I said that group is practicing by complaining and not acting (that I can see). Writing an article that Bondi will never see is not taking action. Complaining on the internet is not taking action.

It goes without saying that we’d all like a gentler, softler, squishier, safe-spacier, more femininier approach to politics.

Yuck. This has nothing to do with gay-ness or femininity. You seem to be bringing up perceived pejoratives as defenses, when my argument is nothing about those qualities. As I have pointed out, the approach I’m referencing is something that Trump often uses, which is the polar opposite of of gay-ness and femininity.

The Second Amendment community is very active… of that you may be sure 😁

Good. We need action that is effective, not complaining and tearing down our side. And not the constant fear that creeps into so many comments under the guise of criticism.

pgroup2

[open mouth gasp]

scott467

I am confuse-ed, not knowing what you are referring to 😁

pgroup2

Things in your comment that seem to be very basic truths. A bit of sarc without the /s. Sorry for being muddled.

scott467

“Some other agency (which will probably just hire all the ex-IRS maggots) will have to collect the taxes then.”

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Not if income taxes are eliminated, as they were prior to 1913, and as they should be again.

Valerie Curren

Can’t happen soon enough!

scott467

“HEY THAT POSTED!!!”

👍 😁

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cthulhu

Yay!

scott467

From OT.

So sad… 😁

President Trump Signs Memo Revoking Security Clearances of Hillary Clinton, Joe Biden, Kamala Harris and Others
March 22, 2025

SD: “Perhaps viewed as a Lawfare shot across the bow to those who might share or discuss sensitive government information including leaks to media from internal sources, President Trump has reportedly revoked the security clearances of Hillary Clinton, Joe Biden, Kamala Harris and around a dozen DC operators who use the currency of information access to assimilate wealth and influence.

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WASHINGTON – President Trump issued a memo Friday rescinding the security clearances of more than a dozen individuals, including former President Joe Biden and his entire family, former Vice President Kamala Harris and Hillary Clinton.

“I have determined that it is no longer in the national interest for the following individuals to access classified information,” Trump wrote in the memo to the heads of executive departments and agencies, before naming those he’s barring from receiving classified information.

The list includes his three past presidential election opponents — Clinton, Biden and Harris — as well as Manhattan District Attorney Alvin Bragg and New York Attorney General Letitia James.

Former Biden administration officials Antony Blinken, Jake Sullivan and Lisa Monaco are also on the list, as is anti-Trump Republicans Adam Kinzinger and Liz Cheney.

“I hereby direct every executive department and agency head to take all additional action as necessary and consistent with existing law to revoke any active security clearances held by the aforementioned individuals and to immediately rescind their access to classified information,” Trump, 78, wrote.

The president also ordered executive department and agency heads to “revoke unescorted access to secure United States Government facilities from these individuals.” (link)

She who must not be named, remains conspicuously absent from mention.”

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scott467

Since DJT seems to be waiting for and/or provoking his adversaries to give him cause to act, I wonder if they have all been caught abusing their access (or worse), or whether this is a preemptive move. Or some of both.

There must be millions of people with security clearances, 90% of them black hats, so it won’t totally block them from access.

It does make them dependent on minions though, and it is certain they have not treated their minions very well over the decades. Bad guys never do, it’s part of being a bad guy.

By making top names effectively ‘blind’ regarding intelligence access, they become dependent on people they have casually mistreated (or worse). The balance of power shifts.

The top names have to call in favors and/or move money around to pay for what they used to get for free, and by the time everyone who is part of the inner circle is cut off, what do they do then?

Imagine being a third level flunky in Hitlary’s orbit, someone she wouldn’t normally even acknowledge if you were sitting in the room with her unless she wanted you to fetch something, and suddenly Hitlary calls you out of the blue to ask you to use your security clearance to get her some vital information.

Hitlary certainly can’t count on you, so she needs at least two different sources to get the information for her, so she can compare the information to make sure one of them isn’t lying to her, either for payback or because the source has been compromised and turned into a double agent.

And if you’re not a double agent, you still have to decide how much you really want to help Hitlary, because Big Brother is obviously watching who accesses what (or Hitlary wouldn’t be asking you), particularly regarding information DJT’s adversaries would be eager to know.

So you have to ask yourself, is it worth taking an extended vacation in GITMO, to help the Wicked Witch of the West?

What to do, what to do… 😁

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pgroup2

This comment gave me a ‘hurt cheeks’ smile. It might last all day.

  :wpds_lol: 

scott467

😁

Gudthots

“… and around a dozen DC operators who use the currency of information access to assimilate wealth and influence.”

Funny choice of words.
Borg like even.

scott467

He usually uses the expression ‘affluence and influence’, IIRC.

pgroup2

And of what significance is DJT’s age in the article?

scott467

I noticed that too.

The WASHINGTON link for the italicized section of text goes to a MSN webpage, which features an article written by Victor Nava, which a name search reveals is a writer for the New York Post.

There is a link and NY Post logo at the top of the MSN page, but I was unsure if it was just an advertisement or related to the article until I searched Victor Nava’s name.

Don’t know why they pointed out his age.

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cthulhu

Hmmmm…..

Really?

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

Weird.

Cuppa Covfefe

FORTRAN is all caps, not Fortran…
FORmula TRANslator…
geesh…..

How about that WATFIV 🙂

Cuppa Covfefe

How about PL/I, SNOBOL, and Babbage…. (OK, the last one is parody language with conditionals like “Don’t do while not”, “going going gone” and “OR ELSE” 🙂 )…

Gudthots

The first two were taught in a review level course at college.
And COBOL too.

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

LMAO!!!

cthulhu

….and, then, there’s INTERCAL [ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/INTERCAL ].

DO ,1 <- #13
PLEASE DO ,1 SUB #1 <- #238
DO ,1 SUB #2 <- #108
DO ,1 SUB #3 <- #112
DO ,1 SUB #4 <- #0
DO ,1 SUB #5 <- #64
DO ,1 SUB #6 <- #194
DO ,1 SUB #7 <- #48
PLEASE DO ,1 SUB #8 <- #22
DO ,1 SUB #9 <- #248
DO ,1 SUB #10 <- #168
DO ,1 SUB #11 <- #24
DO ,1 SUB #12 <- #16
DO ,1 SUB #13 <- #162
PLEASE READ OUT ,1
PLEASE GIVE UP

This outputs “Hello, World!” if you’re lucky (INTERCAL refuses to work unless there is sufficient use of PLEASE, as it will otherwise balk because you’re rude; on the other hand, if you use too many PLEASE statements, INTERCAL will refuse to work because you are groveling)..

When INTERCAL was invented, there was much criticism of the GOTO statement. Accordingly, program flow in INTERCAL uses the COME FROM construct.

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Valerie Curren

I wish I understood How…sort of…LOL

cthulhu

I mean this with all due care and respect…..no, you don’t.

It’s designed by clever people to purposely induce headaches and/or nausea.

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Valerie Curren

 😮 

Cuppa Covfefe

Then, of course, there was the poor programmer who drowned while taking a shower…

Seems he was washing his hair and actually read the instructions:

LATHER

RINSE

REPEAT

🙂 (glug glug glug)…..

Cuppa Covfefe

Thanks… now I have the Cal Worthington jingle stuck in my mind…
“…. go see Cal”…

And, of course, REAL programmers don’t write Pascal… (there’s a whole reddit thread about that ancient post…)….

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

I didn’t realize how long Pascal hung on until I watched the video. Java really did become the king. I don’t think I ever even heard of JOVIAL! 😂

cthulhu

Pascal was used a lot in teaching (that’s what it was invented for). When I was taking programming courses in the early ’80’s, our UNIX system had a Pascal interpreter put together by the UC Berkeley folks that was amazing. You could feed it a bunch of hooey and it would start outputting things like, “Program did not begin with keyword Program, inserted.” “Program name not set, using “default” as program name.” “Missing semicolon after program name declaration, inserted.” “Variable x not declared — using integer.” “Variable c not declared — using char.” “Missing keyword begin, inserted.”

The joke was that you could just whisper the purpose for your program into the interpreter’s ear, and it would write the whole thing for you.

Gudthots

Our school’s Pascal complier (interpreter?) was a project for somone’s thesis and he forgot to check for EOF while inside a string. A friend in class forgot to close a string and it wouldn’t finish compiling. And so being a persistent kind of a person, he kept resubmitting the job. Eventually this lead to a long meeting between the computer center staff and the math department about how the billing for all that computer time was going to be dealt with. LOL

Cuppa Covfefe

Back (OK, way, waaaayyyy back) in the good old days, the HP3000 line of computers had hardware bounds checking to prevent this… that was on the “Classic” CISC machines. The PA-RISC machines didn’t have that feature, but emulated that in software, but not perfectly…. lotta fun seeing pieces of someone’s stack all over a memory dump 🙂

kalbokalbs

Rob, Done good.

Now for the other 49 states…

DeSantis says Florida returned $878M in taxpayer funds to federal government after meeting with Musk, DOGE
DeSantis said Florida had been trying to return federal funds to the federal government over the ‘ideological strings attached by the Biden Administration’
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/desantis-says-florida-returned-878m-taxpayer-funds-federal-government-after-meeting-musk-doge

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

Briben! Shame!

Brave and Free

How many of the 49 use the federal funds to payoff their cronies?

pgroup2

How to win friends and influence people.

kalbokalbs

Still, he done good.

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

From GAB…..

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Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

Question. Who does the Biden aide who scheduled Jill Biden on that day, know at CNN?

cthulhu

The termination order was probably signed by autopen.

scott467

I wonder if there is a way to verify that meme / claim?

Guessing the easiest way would be to query an A.I., and ask it to provide sources.

Sources for a positive (e.g., the coverage at Butler) will be easy, but ask the A.I. to also explain the negative, i.e., how it knows that CNN did not cover any other Trump rallies.

To do that, it would have to know the date and time for all 96 rallies (if that number is accurate), and scan all CNN coverage on those dates and during those times.

It should only take A.I. minutes (or less) to do that. I don’t have much experience with A.I. yet, but I get the sense that the trick is to ask it the ‘right’ questions, and frame the questions with parameters narrow enough to help it give you an accurate response.

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Aubergine

Well, here you go:

Which of the 96 rallies Donald Trump held in 2024 were covered live by CNN?

10 posts 15 web pages

Based on available information and posts found on X, it appears that out of the 96 rallies Donald Trump held in 2024, CNN aired only one live on television: the rally in Butler, Pennsylvania, on July 13, 2024. This event gained significant attention due to an assassination attempt on Trump, which likely prompted CNN’s live coverage. There is no conclusive evidence indicating that CNN broadcast any of the other 95 rallies live on TV. While exact rally counts and coverage details can vary slightly depending on sources, the Butler rally stands out as the sole instance of live CNN television coverage consistently noted across discussions and reports.

Are there any sources you can find for the fact that CNN didn’t broadcast any Trump rallies live in 2024, other than Butler, Pennsylvania?

15 posts 15 web pages

Determining whether CNN broadcast any of Donald Trump’s 96 rallies in 2024 live on television, aside from the Butler, Pennsylvania rally on July 13, 2024, requires examining available evidence from news reports, media analyses, and public discussions. No single comprehensive source definitively lists all 96 rallies and their broadcast status, but I can piece together information from credible reports and posts on X to address your question.
The Butler rally on July 13, 2024, is widely noted as an exception to CNN’s typical coverage pattern. CNN confirmed it aired this rally live, citing anticipation of Trump’s vice-presidential pick announcement as the reason, though the subsequent assassination attempt dominated coverage. This is supported by a CNN statement reported by the Daily Mail on March 2, 2025, and aligns with posts on X, such as one from @lsferguson on August 17, 2024, noting CNN’s rare decision to air it. Media analyses, like Poynter’s July 15, 2024 article, also confirm CNN was airing live footage when shots were heard, with anchor Jessica Dean on air.
For the other 95 rallies, there’s no direct evidence of CNN broadcasting them live on TV. General trends suggest CNN scaled back live Trump rally coverage after 2016, when it aired many for ratings, as noted by Joe Concha in the Daily Mail piece. Posts on X, such as @Therealfootdoc’s on August 23, 2024, and @AndrewPatriot_
’s on September 7, 2024, assert Butler was the only 2024 rally CNN aired live, reflecting a sentiment that CNN avoids such broadcasts to limit Trump’s unfiltered exposure. A Quora response from July 24, 2024, similarly claims Butler was the sole exception, though without primary sourcing.
Adweek’s July 13, 2024 report details network responses to the Butler shooting but doesn’t mention other 2024 rallies being aired live by CNN, focusing instead on breaking news coverage of that event. Broader media critiques, like those from AZCentral and USA Today on July 13-14, 2024, note networks rarely cover Trump rallies live anymore, implying Butler was an outlier due to its newsworthiness. No reports explicitly confirm live TV broadcasts of other specific 2024 rallies—like those on June 18, 22, 28, or July 9, as asked by an X user on March 20, 2025—suggesting a lack of such coverage.
While X posts aren’t conclusive, their consistency with media trends lends weight to the claim. Without a rally-by-rally broadcast log (unavailable in public sources), the absence of evidence for other live broadcasts, combined with CNN’s stated Butler exception and historical shift away from live Trump events, supports the conclusion that Butler was likely the only 2024 rally CNN aired live on television. For definitive proof, one would need CNN’s internal broadcast records, which aren’t publicly accessible. Based on what’s available, no other 2024 Trump rallies appear to have received similar live TV treatment from CNN.

Aubergine

Sorry if it’s not obvious from the context, but the above is AI. Specifically Grok.

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

I definitely figured it was AI, b/c of the Q&A format. Thanks for the specifics!

Aubergine

Well, AI was requested, too.

Cuppa Covfefe

Grok around the clock…..

(No, no, no, just no…. for Bill Haley’s sake, NO!)…..

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

Excellent theory. And those same people likely had some way to get Biden’s handlers to schedule Jill and Kamala to be in PA the same day.

Aubergine

Seems likely.

scott467

Thank you, that’s a very interesting A.I. response.

I’m surprised that the A.I. almost seems lazy, relying on secondary sources (which are already known to Grok via tweeter posts) instead of primary sources, which Grok may have to search for and then catalog.

That Grok is confident there were exactly 96 rallies implies that people on Tweeter were posting about Trump rallies on 96 different days, unless Grok is just repeating the number ’96’ because it was asked about ’96’.

scott467

Grok: “There is no conclusive evidence indicating that CNN broadcast any of the other 95 rallies live on TV. While exact rally counts and coverage details can vary slightly depending on sources, the Butler rally stands out as the sole instance of live CNN television coverage consistently noted across discussions and reports.”

___________

The conclusive evidence would be the CNN broadcasts themselves. Grok must know the 96 rally dates in order to conclusively determine there were 96 rallies.

I would expect that CNN records their own broadcasts 24/7/365, and that CNN’s own website catalogs all prior episodes in some sort of searchable fashion (at the very least searchable by date), going back many years, the same as any other major network.

If CNN and other major network websites are not making all previous broadcasts available for replay, then they (i.e., CNN’s) should be available on CNN’s youtube channel.

Searching the CNN website and CNN’s youtube channel for the specific rally dates in question, and searching those dates for program/video titles including the words “Trump rally” should take an A.I. about as much time as Mr. Data took to decide whether to accept the Borg Queen’s offer to make him more human.

………………
Lt. Commander Data: [about the Borg Queen] “She brought me closer to humanity than I ever thought possible. And for a time, I was tempted by her offer.”

Captain Jean-Luc Picard: “How long a time?”

Lt. Commander Data: “0.68 seconds sir. For an android, that is nearly an eternity.”

source: imdb
………………

If previous broadcasts are not archived on the CNN website and they are not on youtube, they must be archived somewhere. If for some reason they are not accessible to A.I., then I would expect A.I. to come up with another means to arrive at an answer with a high probability of being correct.

For example, Google analytics should show a spike in searches for “where can I watch the Trump rally” on each of the (apparently known) 96 rally dates.

A scan of Google’s search results to that query on each rally date should reveal every source that covered the rally, e.g., C-SPAN, Fox News and any others, including their youtube channels, even if the youtube coverage is not archived on youtube or on any of the major network’s own websites.

There should also be plenty of references to which channels are showing the rally on MAGA community Reddit pages, and on Truth Social, as well as Tweeter, along with thousands of MAGA blogs across the Interwebs, which the A.I. ‘spiders’ should easily and quickly ‘crawl’ to sift for multiple sources of evidence to compose an answer with a high degree of certainty.

Like I said, it seems like Grok took the easy / lazy way out, which is not what I was expecting. I was expecting Grok to dazzle us with its comprehensive ability, rather than leaving me (or whomever) to guide it toward other obvious data sources, like those mentioned above.

And yet, in the following quote, Grok claims to have looked through exactly such resources:

…………………
Grok: “Determining whether CNN broadcast any of Donald Trump’s 96 rallies in 2024 live on television, aside from the Butler, Pennsylvania rally on July 13, 2024, requires examining available evidence from news reports, media analyses, and public discussions.” (boldface mine)
………………..

scott467

Grok: “The Butler rally on July 13, 2024, is widely noted as an exception to CNN’s typical coverage pattern. CNN confirmed it aired this rally live, citing anticipation of Trump’s vice-presidential pick announcement as the reason, though the subsequent assassination attempt dominated coverage.”

____________

Grok is apparently unaware, but in the aftermath of the assassination attempt, I remember legacy media was specifically NOT calling it an assassination attempt, instead making up all kinds of ridiculously implausible alternative reasons why Trump might have had blood on his right hand and ear, and why the rally suddenly ended.

The gaslighting was off the charts, like coordinated psychological denial on steroids.

scott467

Grok: “For definitive proof, one would need CNN’s internal broadcast records, which aren’t publicly accessible.”

_______________

I am surprised that no one is archiving all of the legacy media broadcasts as a matter of public record.

People (mostly conservatives) dig up old clips, often going back more than a decade, from all sorts of legacy media shows. Like the one I posted recently from Colbert’s interview of Hussein, where Hussein admits that he would love to have a 3rd term where he could call all the shots from behind the scenes, and while some puppet was making public appearances, he would tell them what to say in their earpiece.

If there is not a public archive for all shows broadcast on TV or cable, there should be. The public owns those airwaves, those shows representing themselves as ‘news’ are part of our ‘history’, and if future evidence proves their reporting was false, the Public ought to be able to prove that by accessing whatever was broadcast by those ‘news’ channels for public consumption.

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cthulhu

The Internet Archive facility in Richmond, CA, is the primary store for their broadcast-channel video.

scott467

Made all the worse by their not covering subsequent rallies, which would at least have helped cloud the issue.

As it stands, they picked the only rally where he was nearly killed, had their sports photographer (IIRC) with a high speed camera front and center, who snapped a picture at the exact moment the bullet was going past DJT’s head.

And then covered no more rallies after the failed attempt.

Not sure how they could look more guilty of prior knowledge if they sat down and tried to come up with a way.

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Valerie Curren

 👍 

kalbokalbs

Stetching the odds a bit more.

CNN covered Butler, 1 of 96, while the same day,

  • Maggot was in PA AND
  • Taco Jill in another PA location.
Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

Exactly. The people who planned this were meticulous.

cthulhu

“Minister of Children” has one with one….

https://twitchy.com/justmindy/2025/03/21/iceland-minister-of-children-quits-after-she-has-baby-with-16-year-old-n2410229

How could one demand “more Children” in this scenario?

***How screwed-up is Iceland that they made this 16-year-old boy pay child support for this adult woman’s child?

Brave and Free

Well at least she didn’t have an abortion.

Cuppa Covfefe

If that baby had had Downs, she would have… by Iceland law… 😡 😡 😡 😡

pgroup2

What makes you think this is unique to Iceland? USA does it all the time.

When fed welfare programs changed from AFDC to TANF [1996-ish], naming daddy became mandatory in order to access fed funds. Lots of minor boys started their adult lives with back child support debt. Including someone near and dear to me.

Interestingly enough, putting mom on the child support / welfare train also operated to emancipate both parents.

But they didn’t bother telling the now former minors. Or their parents.

cthulhu

I’m well aware that “family law” is a mess.

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

Apparently she was 22 at the time! Still a bit of a problem given her position of authority, but not exactly pedo, IMO. I’ll bet they looked like a typical young couple at the time.

As for the child support thing – they would surely demand it if the ages were 16-16 or 16-18. At 16-22 it starts to get weird, but maybe not too weird.

cthulhu

What gets me is that he couldn’t sign for an auto loan to buy her truck, but gets tabbed for child support when she already had an income.

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

Yup. The Matriarchy Subspace is intense in assigning responsibility.

scott467

Whoa… it says she’s Thor’s daughter!

I didn’t even know Thor had kids… or that he lived in Iceland!!!

Where have I been?!?

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Valerie Curren

I figured that AIG might address the topic from a different perspective, fwiw…

Assuming Old Ages to Prove Old AgesAdditionally, mass spectrometers are designed to primarily measure isotopic ratios, not absolute quantities of individual isotopes. And while this is usually not made evident in secular literature, sometimes that fact creeps out. McLean, Bowring, and Gehrels (2016) admitted: that researchers are “interested in the relative abundances of isotopes present, usually expressed as ratios, and rarely require or have information on their absolute abundance to the same precision.”10 As Dr. Snelling then explained, the absolute quantity of 204Pb in samples cannot be measured with certainty. Plus, to directly measure the absolute quantity of 204Pb with sufficient accuracy is muddied by isobaric interference from the 204Hg (Mercury) signal, particularly in LA-ICP-MS procedures. Dr. Snelling then recounted the root of the problem with U-Pb dating, in regard to Mercury interference and overall.

This is not a trivial matter, because it is assumed that all the measured 204Pb, the only stable Pb isotope not derived by radioactive decay from a precursor radioisotope, is the most significant component of the common or initial Pb isotopic composition. Yet measuring the absolute amounts of 204Pb in samples is the only way those amounts can be known without recourse to assumptions. Every one of the other methods to determine the common or initial Pb isotopic composition mentioned above involves using the measured Pb isotopic ratios and assumptions. Ratios are simply that. The only way to determine an absolute amount of 204Pb from them is to make assumptions about the past history of the Pb isotopes in the samples, especially a deep time history for the earth and its origin, as well as for a deep time history for the samples being dated (for example, the Pb-evolution models). Yet the U-Pb radioisotope ages derived using those assumptions are then used to construct that deep time history. So, the outcome is model dependent, and the model chosen will be dependent on one’s worldview.11

Footnotes # 10 & #11

  1. N. M. McLean, J. F. Bowring, and G. Gehrels, “Algorithms and Software for U-Pb Geochronology by LAICPMS,” Geochemistry, Geophysics, Geosystems 17 no. 7, (2016): 2482, doi:10.1002/2015GC006097.
  2. Snelling, “Problems with the U-Pb Radioisotope Dating Methods—1. Common Pb,” 153.

& here is the first mention of the Snelling work in Footnote # 4

  1. Andrew A. Snelling, “Problems with the U-Pb Radioisotope Dating Methods—1. Common Pb,” Answers Research Journal 10 (2017): 142, https://answersingenesis.org/geology/radiometric-dating/problems-radioisotope-dating-u-pb/.

All from this link:

https://answersingenesis.org/geology/radiometric-dating/u-pb-radioisotope-dating-method-problems/

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

OK – here is what I challenge AIG to do. Engage in an EXAMPLE SHOOT-OUT.

This is a challenge for them to get out of their “schtick” of flerfer-like attacks on generalities, and to actually provide a superior interpretation of an actual case.

(This is how the flerfers LOST with the TFE case – so I don’t expect AIG to actually do this.)

These guys are on thin ice the moment that they have to fight it out on real cases – particularly cases they didn’t engineer for maximum doubt and minimum clarity.

Give us a specific example of a conventional dating where “assumptions” fail or cannot be trusted due to the reasons you claim, AIG. Not only so that the “assumptions” are specified openly and confronted to their face (which is all Constitutional, I know, but the same principle applies), but so that scientists (like me) can do a direct comparison of the explanations of two theories.

Take a specific paper, where you allege mercury can’t be resolved out of lead, and show us a superior interpretation to a shorter date. Even to a shorter range. Or even, worst case scenario, to “date unknown”, but has to be shorter.

I’m going to start by saying that I can’t believe that an estimate of mercury contamination can’t be resolved out of a lead signal – and YES – it does not need to be “absolute” – it only needs to be relative – and by any method that works. I don’t even work in the field, and I can imagine techniques for estimating signal contamination that surely work.

Do those require “assumptions”? They require SCIENCE – which is assumptions “all the way down” – from the very beginning of observation.

These guys are tricky – and once I realized that they’re operating on the flerfer model of doubt-casting while failing to offer anything even comparable, much less superior, I really got the fact that it’s pseudoscience and not science. It’s criticism without offering anything better.

Valerie Curren

Very interesting…TY

I’m not sure if this article, or perhaps the technical papers linked at the bottom, would go in the direction you’re looking for, but it might be a start…

https://answersingenesis.org/geology/radiometric-dating/rate-radioisotopes-and-the-age-of-the-earth/

cthulhu

Wolf — please see Steve’s message at top of post (not in comments).

Scott did a solid by flagging it.

Valerie Curren

I went looking for Steve’s message but haven’t reloaded the page which, I guess, might then make it visible.

I think Steve is able to comment now, thankfully 🙂

Valerie Curren

Missed it by that much 😉

Valerie Curren

Stopped clock &/or blind squirrel 😉 😉

Valerie Curren

No I knew that when I said it…I was joking about being “Smart” (apparently badly!) LOL

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

Good – thank you!!!

Valerie Curren

So perhaps the Lead 204 “issue” is a red herring? Though my reading of the above, but clearly Imperfect “understanding”, is that Snelling is attempting to argue for an approach that can be accurately measured & Not be based on assumption  🙄 

Valerie Curren

 It’s as if I was claiming that two estimates of someone’s age, 40 and 45 years ago, meant he had been actually been born an hour and a half ago.”

Yes, I noticed that he was nitpicking smaller dates while still not explaining (away) the larger ones…

“If there is tons of hard evidence in favor of a statement, is basing your reasoning on it making a mere assumption?”

I think that the preponderance of the evidence approach is reasonable 🙂

Valerie Curren
Valerie Curren

This AIG paper argues that decay rates are Not Constant & have been demonstrated to be slowing down “recently”…here’s the abstract:

AbstractDuring the last 84 years, determinations of the 238U and 235U decay constants and half-lives have been made using direct counting experiments and geological age comparisons, as well as by critical reviews and reevaluations of those determinations. By 1971 the direct counting experiments had provided 238U and 235U half-life values with small uncertainties which ever since have been the recommended values used in all U-Pb age calculations. All the geological age comparison studies have utilized those recommended values, in spite of the admitted philosophical circularity involved. And the critical reviews and reevaluations have all converged on these same recommended values because of the meticulous care taken in the 1971 direct counting experiments, which then gave those experimental results the dominant weight in the calculation of mean values. But there have still been repeated calls for more modern, more accurate direct counting experiments to more precisely determine the 238U and 235U half-lives. It is difficult to determine precise values for the 238U and 235U half-lives because the 238U and 235U peaks in the a-energy spectrum have to be accurately delineated where they overlap and from the background a-particles. Secular equilibrium is also assumed, yet 234U in-grows during the time periods of the experiments, which of necessity have to be long enough to collect statistically large sets of counting data. And the 235U half-life is ultimately determined from the determined 238U half-life by assuming the 238U/235U ratio is constant, which is also crucial in every U-Pb age calculation. Yet significant variations in this crucial 238U/235U ratio have now been measured in all the rocks, accessory U-bearing minerals, and meteorites that are routinely U-Pb dated. Also, clearly observable trends of decreasing 238U and 235U half-life values were obtained from the direct counting experiments between 1932 and 1974. Such experiments should be given the most weight in determining the 238U and 235U half-lives, because in them the numbers of parent 238U and 235U atoms that decay over given time periods are directly counted. Yet to admit that the 238U and 235U decay rates may not have been constant in recent decades is tantamount to admitting that the 238U and 235U half-lives might never be determined precisely. Furthermore, since the 87Rb, 176Lu, 187Re, 147Sm, and 40K half-lives have all been determined by cross-calibration with the 238U half-life by forced agreement of Rb-Sr, Lu-Hf, Re-Os, Sm-Nd, K-Ar, and Ar-Ar ages respectively with U-Pb ages obtained for the same rocks, minerals and meteorites, none of these decay half-lives are really known accurately. Therefore, without accurately known decay half-lives, all radioisotope ages cannot be accurately determined or be considered absolute ages. Thus, all these radioisotope dating methods cannot be used to reject the young-earth creationist timescale, especially as current radioisotope dating methodologies are at best hypotheses based on extrapolating current measurements and observations back into an assumed deep time history for the cosmos. Instead, the actual observable experimentally-determined radioisotope decay data suggest that radioisotope decay rates have been decreasing in recent decades. This is consistent with the several lines of impeccable evidence that radioisotope decay rates were grossly accelerated during the year-long biblical global Flood cataclysm, and then the decay rates decelerated. That we may still be detecting the radioisotope decay rates decelerating is likewise consistent with the Flood occurring only about 4300 years ago.

https://answersresearchjournal.org/radioisotope-decay-uranium/

Valerie Curren

From that same paper this might be of interest too 🙂

Uranium geochemistry
Uranium is element 92 (= 92) and a member of the actinide series in which the 5orbitals are progressively filled with electrons. It occurs naturally in the tetravalent oxidation state U4+ with an ionic radius of 1.05 Å. But under oxidizing conditions it forms the uranyl ion (UO22+) in which U has a valence of 6+. The uranyl ion forms compounds that are soluble in water, so U is a mobile element under oxidizing conditions. In contrast to U, Pb (= 82) is in period 6 and is a group 14 post-transitional metal. It is insoluble in water, but is a chalcophile element because it reacts with sulfur. It forms Pb2+ and Pb4+ ions with ionic radii of 1.32 Å and 0.91 Å respectively, so Pb ions cannot substitute for U ions in minerals, because the Pb2+ has the wrong ionic charge and the Pb4+ ion has a smaller ionic radius that the U4+ ion.

In the course of partial melting of the rocks in the earth’s mantle, U is concentrated in the liquid (melt) phase and thus becomes incorporated into the more silica-rich products (Faure and Mensing 2005; Rudnick and Gao 2005). Thus the progressive geochemical differentiation of the earth’s upper mantle has enriched the rocks of the earth’s continental crust in U compared to those of the upper mantle. At an average of 1.3 ppm U is the fifty-first most abundant element in the earth’s crust, whereas Pb is regarded as quite a common element in the earth’s crust with an average of 11 ppm (Rudnick and Gao 2005). The concentrations of U and Pb increase from basaltic rocks (0.5 ppm U and 4 ppm Pb) to granites (5 ppm U and 23 ppm Pb) (Faure and Mensing 2005). The concentrations of U in the common rock-forming silicate minerals are uniformly low, on the order of a few ppm or less. Instead, U occurs primarily in certain accessory minerals in which it is either a major constituent or replaces other elements. These minerals include uraninite, zircon, baddeleyite, monazite, apatite, and sphene (titanite).

Valerie Curren

You might also like this, from within the above paper (I’m still reading it clearly)…

238U and 235U decay
Uranium has three naturally occurring isotopes, 238U, 235U, and 234U, all of which are radioactive. 238U and 235U are the principal U isotopes that each parent a chain of radioactive daughters ending in stable isotopes of Pb. The decay of 238U gives rise to what is called the uranium series, which includes 234U as one of the intermediate daughters and ends in stable 206Pb (fig. 1). The decay of 238U to 206Pb can be summarized by the equation

comment imagewhere = 47.4 MeV per atom or 0.71 calories per gram per year (Wetherill 1966). Each atom of 238U that decays produces one atom of 206Pb by emission of eight α-particles and six β-particles. The parameter represents the sum of the decay energies of the entire series in units of millions of electron volts and calories of heat produced per gram per year. Several intermediate daughters in this series (fig. 1) undergo branched decay involving the emission of either an α-particle or a β-particle. The chain therefore splits into separate branches, but 206Pb is the stable end product of all possible decay paths.

comment image

Figure 1. The decay chain of 238U resulting from the successive emission of α-particles and β-particles from intermediate isotopes as indicated (after Faure and Mensing 2005). The final decay product is stable 206Pb.

The decay of 235U gives rise to what is called the actinium series (fig. 2), which ends with stable 207Pb after emission of seven α-particles and four β-particles, as summarized by the equation

comment imagewhere = 45.2 MeV per atom or 4.3 calories per gram per year (Wetherill 1966). This series also branches as shown in Fig. 2.

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Figure 2. The decay chain of 235U resulting from the successive emission of α-particles and β-particles from intermediate isotopes as indicated (after Faure and Mensing 2005). The final decay product is stable 207Pb.

In spite of there being 33 isotopes of 12 elements formed as intermediate daughters in these two decay series (not counting 4He), none is a member of more than one series. In other words, each decay chain always leads through its unique set of intermediate isotopes to the formation of a specific stable Pb isotope. The decay of 238U always produces 206Pb, and 235U always produces 207Pb.

The half-lives of 238U and 235U are very much longer than those of their respective intermediate daughter isotopes. Therefore, these decay series satisfy the prerequisite condition for the establishment of secular equilibrium, provided none of the intermediate daughters escaped from the U-bearing mineral or were added from external sources (Faure and Mensing 2005) and sufficient time has elapsed. When secular equilibrium exists in a U-bearing mineral because it is a closed system, the decay rates of the intermediate daughters are equal to those of their respective parents, and thus the production rate of the stable daughter at the end of the decay chain is equal to the decay rate of its parent at the head of that chain. Therefore, the decay of 238U and 235U in minerals in which secular equilibrium has established itself can be treated as though it occurred directly to the respective 206Pb and 207Pb isotopes. As a result, the growth of these radiogenic Pb isotopes can be described by means of equations (1) and (2), which are similar to the equations used to represent the decay of 87Rb to 87Sr and 147Sm to 143Nd.

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Valerie Curren

Are you saying that Np-237 is no longer formed in nature?

Are you also saying that elements that are part of radioactive decay Only exist as part of that process but not in & of themselves (from perhaps other processes)?

Valerie Curren

Thx Steve 🙂

Valerie Curren

The above article goes into great detail on the historical approaches toward measuring the decay rates of Uranium, fyi…it’s interesting science, at least to me 🙂

Valerie Curren

Under the Philosophical topic in the above link:

Of course, Begemann et al. (2001) concede that all the relevant decay constants and half-lives are in need of improvements, especially those of 238U and 235U. They agree that ideally redeterminations should be attempted by repeating direct counting experiments, but then that should not be the only technique. They still favored cross-calibration with geological comparisons, even though they had already admitted that such age comparisons by their very philosophical nature eliminate the possibility of discrepancies. However, geological comparisons should not be considered in determining basic physical “constants” such as decay rates. They can really only be used as checks for these radioisotope dating methods. Of course, such attempted cross-calibrations by geological comparisons certainly would strengthen their “belief” in any new values and presumably make those new values more readily accepted by the geochronologists (Begemann et al. 2001). In needed further direct counting experiments they suggested it would be necessary to involve experimental research groups familiar with all intricacies of “absolute” counting. But then is it fair to ask whether such groups exist? Furthermore, the desired level of accuracy will hardly be attainable by single workers, or teams, occasionally dabbling in such counting experiments, and then with the results being a side effect of measurements with entirely different primary aims. It was the firm belief of Begemann et al. (2001) that only devoted experiments dedicated to the special purpose of improving the accuracy of the decay constants would bring the anticipated results. In such experiments they saw room for improvements by employing isotope dilution methods to determine the number of radioactive atoms involved in the experiments. Yet somehow unbiased NIST standards must come into play in calibrating the equipment used in such experiments, instead of the biased standards employed in the Ar-Ar dating method, and sometimes the U-Pb method.

Ironically, the more recent scathing “meta-analysis of geochronologically relevant half-lives” by Boehnke and Harrison (2014) appears to have been ignored by the geochronology community. Their “meta-analysis” used six criteria to assess the validity of any half-life determination study:

  1. It must be peer reviewed and widely accessible;
  2. It must describe the radioactive sample in detail, including weight, and elemental and isotopic compositions;
  3. It must describe the experimental apparatus in sufficient detail to assess potential sources of analytical error;
  4. It must yield results with an appropriate signal/ noise ratio;
  5. It must not be superseded by, or included in, later results from the same laboratory; and
  6. It must include measures of uncertainty derived from presented data.

What they also stated was that “decay constants are, literally, physical constants,” which was an admission of their bias that radioisotope decay rates cannot have varied in the past but must have always been constant.

Nevertheless, using these criteria Boehnke and Harrison (2014) found only four studies of the 235U decay rate (Deruytter and Wegener-Penning 1974; Fleming, Ghiorso, and Cunningham 1952; Jaffey et al. 1971; White, Wall, and Pontet 1965) and one study of the 238U decay rate (Jaffey et al. 1971) worthy of examination, that is, acceptable. Indeed, they were scathing of Schön, Winkler, and Kutschera (2004) in their review of experimental determinations for not applying objective criteria, and suggested that the paucity of reliable U decay studies is far more significant than previously expressed. Thus it is hardly surprising they echoed the call of Begemann et al. (2001) for new determinations of the 238U and 235U half-lives, and stated that a priority for the geochronological community must be support of new, high precision and accuracy measurements. Furthermore, they opined that despite the decay of U to Pb having grown to be the most widely used decay system for geochronology, the 238U and 235U decay half-lives have not been remeasured since Jaffey et al. (1971), although analytical capabilities have been vastly improved over the intervening 45 years. They concluded that the availability of highly enriched 235U and its short half-life relative to 238U suggests the potential for decay counting experiments of superior precision and accuracy. And until the 238U decay constant is remeasured through laboratory equipment, other geochronological systems (87Rb, 40K, 147Sm, etc.) should instead be calibrated to 235U rather than 238U! Yet they admitted that proposal would increase the 235U half-life uncertainty by more than 50% of that reported by Jaffey et al. (1971). Clearly, they stated, current knowledge of half-lives for many radiometric systems is the limiting parameter in achieving absolute age accuracies of better than ca. 1%. Furthermore, to truly achieve ± 0.1%, interdecay system, absolute time accuracy requires significantly improved experimental determinations of half-lives, but “this cannot occur if we continue to anchor twenty-first century geochronology to often incomplete, 1970s-era nuclear physics reports.” And “what our community appears to lack is the confidence to acquire fundamental new knowledge of decay constants with significantly improved precision and accuracy using the best contemporary facilities.” Perhaps what is needed is for the geochronological community to abandon their assumption of constant radioisotope decay rates!

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

Perhaps what is needed is for the geochronological community to abandon their assumption of constant radioisotope decay rates!

Horsefeathers!!!

But if it will make these posers shut up and go home (unlikely), then by all means, do some more experiments and – for the sake of argument using their own thinking – show that giant error bar of BILLIONS PLUS OR MINUS ONE BILLION YEARS. 🙄 😂 🙃

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

Sorry – I could not resist.

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Valerie Curren

bwah ha ha

Valerie Curren

LOL

Valerie Curren

On error rates, from the above:

Up until recently the 238U/235U ratio has been assumed to be essentially constant, though it is now known to vary significantly from rock to rock and mineral to mineral (see below). All these considerations have resulted in much uncertainty about the accuracy of the 235U half-life determinations, and very much larger error margins being attributed to them (0.07–5.6%) compared with the 238U half-life determinations (0.05–0.68%), as calculated from the quoted error margins listed in Tables 2 and 3.

…[other issues are discussed–VC note]…

Each of these issues add a measure of uncertainty to the determined 238U and 235U half-life values and the error margins that should be reported, so that the accumulative impact of them all is substantial. Furthermore, the uncertainties due to each of these issues makes it very difficult to be absolutely certain that the half-life values have been determined accurately and to also quantify what the total uncertainty might be for each determined half-life value. The combined effects of these uncertainties have a huge impact on the accuracy and uncertainties of the U-Pb and Pb-Pb ages calculated using the determined 238U and 235U half-life values.

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Valerie Curren

From the same link, some things are Not as Constant as previously claimed apparently:

Only in the last decade though has it been feasible to detect much smaller variations in 238U/235U ratios than in the past. This has been because of the development of multi-collector (MC) ICP-mass spectrometers (MS) that produce a precision of 0.05‰ (per mil) for 238U/235U ratios (Hoffmann et al. 2007), though it easy to be dubious about the quoted error. Thus recent investigations of natural terrestrial and extra-terrestrial samples have revealed variations in the 238U/235U ratios of up to ~5.5‰ and 3.5‰ respectively, that is, parts per thousand (‰ or per mil) deviations from a 238U/235U ratio value of 137.88, the hitherto fore accepted value which has been, and still is, used in all U-Pb age determinations for more than four decades.

This has spawned a concerted effort to find and characterize prepared natural and synthetic uranium samples with certified and thus agreed upon U isotope ratios that can be therefore used as 238U/235U ratio standards against which the deviations in 238U/235U ratios in natural terrestrial and extra-terrestrial samples can be measured (for example, Condon et al. 2010; Richter et al. 2008, 2009, 2010). Thus Richter et al. (2010) reported a study in which a frequently used reference sample NBS960 (or NBL CRM 112a) was reanalyzed in a collaborative effort by several geochemistry laboratories using their MC-ICP-MS and TIMS (thermal ionisation MS) instruments. They found that whereas the consensus 238U/235U ratio value for this standard was previously 137.88, their results indicated that the value is actually 0.031% lower at 137.837 ± 0.015. One wonders though whether they really know the ionization efficiency of their equipment that accurately. Independently, Condon et al. (2010) undertook determinations of the 238U/235U ratios of a suite of three commonly used natural and two synthetic uranium reference materials using a TIMS instrument. They reported the 238U/235U ratio values they obtained for these standards were up to 0.08% lower than the widely used consensus value of 137.88, with the total uncertainty estimated to be <0.02% (2σ) (fig. 11).

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Figure 11. Summary plot of the 238U/235U ratio values for natural and synthetic uranium standard samples obtained by Condon et al. (2010), showing the absolute and epsilon ε scales relative to the consensus value of 137.88. The dark grey band reflects the external reproducibility, and the lighter grey band represents the combined standard uncertainty. The black bar represents the certified value and combined uncertainty of standard IRMM 184. All ranges are plotted with a coverage factor of k = 2 (2σ).

…[from further in the paper, not copying discussion–VC note]…

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Figure 13. The 40 samples in the Brennecka et al. (2010a) study plotted by depositional style and 238U/235U ratio values. The solid lines represent the average group 238U/235U ratio values and the two standard deviation error is shown for each depositional style in dashed lines. The reported 238U/235U ratio value and external reproducibility of the CRM 129a standard is shown in the black box.

…[from still further down the discussion not copying ensuing verbiage–VC note]…

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Figure 15. Summary plot of the 238U/235U ratio values of minerals after Hiess et al. (2012), including the 44 samples used to define their recommended 238U/235U ratio value for zircon (represented by the solid yellow band). Solid and open boxes for each sample represent 2σ measured and total uncertainties, respectively.

Of their 45 zircon 238U/235U measurements, Hiess et al. (2012) found that 44 of them were within a range of ~1‰, from 137.772 (zircon from an 850 Ma granite in Zimbabwe) to 137.908 (zircon from a 2002 Ma Gascoyne granite in Western Australia). All five samples of uraninite, apatite, xenotime, and baddeleyite fall within the 238U/235U compositional range of these zircons. Those 44 zircons define an approximately normally distributed population with a mean 238U/235U value of 137.818 and a standard deviation of 0.022. They thus proposed that this average zircon value of 137.818 ± 0.045 (2σ) should be adopted for all zircon U-Pb age determinations, because it reflects the average uranium isotopic composition and variability of terrestrial zircon, and it is broadly representative of the average crustal and “bulk Earth” 238U/235U composition.

…[the meteorite section is a fun read but I’m not copying it here–VC note]…

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Figure 16. 238U/235U ratios of 39 meteorites, sorted by group (after Goldmann et al. 2015). The 238U/235U ratio of NBL CRM 112a (137.837; Richter et al. 2010) is shown as the vertical dotted line. The average 238U/235U ratio of each meteorite group is shown as a thin vertical dashed line (the surrounding transparent box indicates the calculated one standard deviation uncertainty). The average 238U/235U ratio and the 95% confidence interval of terrestrial basalts relative to the 238U/235U ratio value of NBL CRM 112a (Goldmann et al. 2015; Weyer et al. 2008) is shown as the thick vertical dashed line and dark grey box, respectively. The error bars for individual samples represent the 2σ deviations.

…[from the natural minerals section, not copying the discussion here–VC note]…

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Figure 17. Compilation of the δ238U values obtained by Tissot and Dauphas (2015) in their study and from the literature. The top panel (a) shows the modern isotope taxonomy, while the bottom panel (b) shows the data for individual minerals, ore deposits, past sediments, and meteorites and inclusions. Note the different vertical scales of the two panels. The horizontal blue line is the average seawater δ238U value of −0.38 ± 0.010/00 (13 samples). Subsurface modern carbonates include carbonates down to 40 cm below water/sediment interface. Abbreviations: AOC = altered oceanic crust, OAE = oceanic anoxic event, ORM = organic-rich mudrocks, BIF = banded iron formations, OC = ordinary chondrites, CC = carbonaceous chondrites, and EC = enstatite chondrites. Minerals include albite, apatite, baddeleyite, glauconite, biotite, phlogopite, monazite, quartz, titanite, xenotime, zinwaldite, and zircon. Effusive rocks* include andesites, basalts, alkali basalts, rhyolites, and trachytes. Intrusive rocks* include diorites, granites, granodiorites, syenite, and mica-schist. Achondrites include howardites, eucrites, aubrite, and acapulcoites.

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pgroup2

Somebody needs to learn the art of paragraphing.

Valerie Curren

Yes, I put the breaks where they were in the original document…sigh…

Valerie Curren

LOL

Valerie Curren

This guy is a liar”

Could it just be a nuanced difference of opinion?

I guess I consider Lying to be Deliberately claiming something one knows to be false. Making a mistake, or discovering an error in reasoning or calculations, wouldn’t be a lie, imo. However if an error is discovered but then covered up that would be lying by omission, fwiw.

I think the worldview of this guy & (most of?) AIG is that the earth is young, roughly 6000 or so years old. This is based on a literal interpretation of the creation verses in Genesis. This worldview may not allow the hardcore proponents to consider any answers that don’t include a 6000 year old earth.

If that’s the case it’s possible that the “science” presented might be rather contorted tortuously 😉

I lean toward a YEC viewpoint & believe that the sedimentary layers of “geologic time” were likely laid down during the worldwide cataclysmic flood of Noah. However I’m open to an older earth age overall, partly due to the “gap theory” alluded to in Genesis.

I find your insights, & Wolf’s, most illuminating 🙂

https://answersingenesis.org/creation-vs-evolution/evidence-for-young-earth-creation/

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Figure 2. The Grand Canyon now cuts through many rock layers. Previously, all these layers were raised to their current elevation (a raised, flat region known as the Kaibab Plateau). Somehow this whole sequence was bent and folded without fracturing. That’s impossible if the first layer, the Tapeats Sandstone, was deposited over North America 460 million years before being folded. But all the layers would still be relatively soft and pliable if it all happened during the recent, global Flood.

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Photo 1. The whole sequence of sedimentary layers through which Grand Canyon cuts has been bent and folded without fracturing. This includes the Tapeats Sandstone, located at the bottom of the sequence. (A 90° fold in the eastern Grand Canyon is pictured here.) (Photo courtesy of Andrew Snelling)

Valerie Curren

TY Steve

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

Exactly.

This is not unique to YEC pseudoscience. There are much more mainstream scientists who can NEVER admit that some pet theory has holes – and those people are not exactly popular.

If one can’t admit that some theory – especially an unthroned contender – has problems, then one is automatically not doing science – one is doing damage control.

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

That’s pretty amazing! But that’s the way it’s supposed to work!

Valerie Curren

From the link on the 10 proofs shared above:

Despite this wealth of evidence, it is important to understand that, from the perspective of observational science, no one can prove absolutely how young (or old) the universe is. Only one dating method is absolutely reliable — a witness who doesn’t lie, who has all evidence, and who can reveal to us when the universe began!

And we do have such a witness — the God of the Bible! He has given us a specific history, beginning with the six days of creation and followed by detailed genealogies that allow us to determine when the universe began. Based on this history, the beginning was only about six thousand years ago (about four thousand years from creation to Christ).

I consider this view potentially problematic because they Assume that they perfectly understand the biblical references & leave no room for nuance, poetic license, or just plain misunderstanding God & His perspective.

Someone used the analogy of a dozen nearsighted people examining an elephant from different vantage points & how their descriptions completely contradicted each other even though they were technically looking at the very same animal.

One needs to maintain a degree of humility always in these pursuits 🙂

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

That’s my position, too. The Bible (and perhaps more importantly the Jewish abstract God concept itself) are IMHO correctly formed and evolved entities precisely because they are adaptive truths which not only survive humanity’s increasing social intelligence, but are also designed to function in the region where truths are discoverable, conjecturable, and properly mutable and relatable, but not logically provable. Some of this is actually taught by the Q process, IMO. All of this being the broken but beautiful nature of human intelligence, visible in a mirror we find both fascinating and repulsive, called AI. I believe that AI will get better and some will become more compatible with theistic morality, which is the Torba position.

In any case, I believe we have to follow truth where we can, and even in the regions of unprovability, we can intuit our way through by reason learned in the parts where reason works completely. Consistency with other truth-principled religions and worldviews then becomes a useful metric in the regions of unprovability, although the value of self-consistency is extremely high, IMHO, so one is likely to accept the faceted nature of the totality to various separate religious and secular systems as a feature, not a bug.

There. I saved myself an entire post, except for having to explain it. 😂

Valerie Curren

That’s a mouthful, but yes, sort of, at least from my perch 😉

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

This is a SLY sleight-of-hand argument – and it is NOT the first time I’ve caught them doing such a thing.

Consider what they say here. I have split out the three sentences – it was all one paragraph.

Also, clearly observable trends of decreasing 238U and 235U half-life values were obtained from the direct counting experiments between 1932 and 1974.

Such experiments should be given the most weight in determining the 238U and 235U half-lives, because in them the numbers of parent 238U and 235U atoms that decay over given time periods are directly counted.

Yet to admit that the 238U and 235U decay rates may not have been constant in recent decades is tantamount to admitting that the 238U and 235U half-lives might never be determined precisely.

What they are doing here is worse than what flerfers do – it’s what leftists do – where they paint something in reverse, such as blaming the victim.

If values of physical numbers (I won’t call them “constants”, out of respect for the issue) are found to head up or down as the determinations get better and better with time (which is the nature of modern science in general), then this is most often due to the nature of interfering phenomena biasing the values to be too high or too low, and that bias is more and more successfully overcome with time.

To assume, or to even imply that the values themselves changed over time because of inherent physical change, and not the basic problems of measurement, is so close to intellectual dishonesty, that I find it very difficult to believe these are Christians.

Thus, it is what is NOT said, in going from the first sentence, to the third, that is whistling innocently past the scene of a real intellectual crime.

If one wants to look at the curve of these values over time, let’s do it, because I will guarantee that these curves CONVERGE toward a minimum or maximum near the most modern value, and that these values will hold very constant in time, going forward.

Oh, I would love to see decay rates changing in time, because that would be fascinating new physics, but it will be small, it will be long, and it will STILL imply a hugely old universe (possibly embedded in an eternal super-universe, but set that aside for now), and it may even show us WHAT is changing the decay rates. But I will tell you RIGHT NOW (Tiffany Gomes voice) – that change will be SO REAL. It will be proven by the same science style that is being criticized by the YEC bunch.

Now I haven’t even gotten to the second sentence, which I just challenge outright. If direct counting is fraught with potential sources of error, and other methods are not, then I say baloney – do what is most logical.

Third sentence – who in the H-E-double-toothpicks is “admitting” that the decay rates may not have been constant over the last few decades? The measured values may not have been constant, but the emerging trusted value is almost certainly becoming more and more constant with time. As measurements go on in time, they are NOT EQUAL. Not unless they are conducted in the same manner as before.

THEN – to take what they say and to try to loosen the modern results with that last sentence – to say it’s all imprecise – POPPYCOCK.

Sad to say – when a very un-Biblical 6000 years is not allowed to be “on the line” in their reasoning, then it is all just “ends justify the means”. The end is a bad Biblical interpretation. The means is debate trickery – not real science.

Valerie Curren

“To assume, or to even imply that the values themselves changed over time because of inherent physical change, and not the basic problems of measurement, is so close to intellectual dishonesty, that I find it very difficult to believe these are Christians.

Thus, it is what is NOT said, in going from the first sentence, to the third, that is whistling innocently past the scene of a real intellectual crime…

Sad to say – when a very un-Biblical 6000 years is not allowed to be “on the line” in their reasoning, then it is all just “ends justify the means”. The end is a bad Biblical interpretation. The means is debate trickery – not real science.

TY for calling this out specifically!

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

You’re most welcome!

bakocarl

The Would Be Poet’s Plea

What must I do, O Bards of the Ages,
To make sweeter reading through these pages?
What more than writing metered lines that rhyme,
To hear the readers sigh from time to time?

To evoke emotions and provoke thought,
How do I form lines that do as they ought?
Please tell me, kind bards, just what shall I do
To produce poems half as good as you?

Please, Mr. Wordsworth, what now should I do?
Surely, Ms. Dickinson, do you know, too?
And you, Mr. Frost, well above your peers,
And, of course, John Keats, can you make it clear?

“Dear seeker of the poet’s art, take heed,
To stir the soul is no small deed indeed.
Beyond the rhyme and meter’s steady chime,
Lies deeper craft to sway the heart through time.
 
First, paint with words the hues of life’s grand play,
The joy, the ache, the dusk, the breaking day.
Let images bloom vivid, sharp, and true,
Of worlds the readers long to wander through.
 
Then weave a thread of thought beneath the song,
A question soft, or truth that presses strong.
Provoke their minds to pause, to dream, to roam,
Yet root it all in what feels like their home.
 
Speak honest, raw, from depths you dare to know,
Let trembled voice through every stanza flow.
For sighs are born where heart and mind entwine,
Not merely in the rhythm of the line.
 
So practice, muse, and listen to the air,
The world itself has secrets it will share.
It’s up to you – your pen must find its way,
To craft the verse that bids the readers stay.”

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

Love it!!!

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy
cthulhu

Golly jeepers — coal ash is full of rare earths.

https://interestingengineering.com/energy/rare-earth-worth-eight-billion-found

Now let’s see if there’s enough thorium in it to power the refining…..

TradeBait2

The timing of Helene and the land grabs in the affected areas of Appalachia are once again called into question.

Coal fired power generation is back in the plan for some reason. 🤫

bakocarl

It could be that I’m getting carried away here –

Rare Earths Hide Beneath Our Feet

Beneath the soil, a secret sleeps,
Where coal ash lies in giant heaps,
Within our trash, once cast aside,
In powdery waste, rare treasures hide.

For years we sought, across the seas,
Rare earths for phones and energy’s needs,
Yet here they lie, in ash concealed,
A fortune vast, by flame revealed.

No need to dig through stone and ore,
The fire has freed what lies in store,
A gift of waste, when coal was burned,
From trash to gold, a lesson learned.

We search the world, from shore to shore,
For treasures vast, we yearn for more,
But halt the quest, look down and see,
It lies here beneath our feet so free.

Valerie Curren

My dad said that they used to throw out the clinkers & ash into the alleys of Detroit, so in a sense maybe the streets are paved with gold 😉

para59r
Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

Tammy Bruce is now working as State Department spokesperson, and I love hearing her voice – no longer as a Fox News commentator, but now as a Trump admin person!

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Tammy Bruce

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@statedeptspox

The Columbia University student would never have been allowed a visa if he had been honest about his agenda. This is about actions, not speech.

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Taking Actions to Benefit Americans

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duchess01s

EACH DAY WE TAKE UP THE OFFENSIVE WEAPON OF THE WORD OF GOD – THE SWORD OF THE SPIRIT – ONE VERSE OPENS THE DOOR TO THE CONTEXT OF THE CHAPTER MESSAGE

Verse of the Day for Saturday, March 22, 2025

“So the last shall be first, and the first last: for many be called, but few chosen.” 

Matthew 20:16 (KJV)

The parable of the labourers in the vineyard. (1-16) 

The direct object of this parable seems to be, to show that though the Jews were first called into the vineyard, at length the gospel should be preached to the Gentiles, and they should be admitted to equal privileges and advantages with the Jews. The parable may also be applied more generally, and shows, 1. That God is debtor to no man. 2. That many who begin last, and promise little in religion, sometimes, by the blessing of God, arrive at a great deal of knowledge, grace, and usefulness. 3. That the recompense of reward will be given to the saints, but not according to the time of their conversion. It describes the state of the visible church, and explains the declaration that the last shall be first, and the first last, in its various references. Till we are hired into the service of God, we are standing all the day idle: a sinful state, though a state of drudgery to Satan, may be called a state of idleness. The market-place is the world, and from that we are called by the gospel. Come, come from this market-place. Work for God will not admit of trifling. A man may go idle to hell, but he that will go to heaven, must be diligent. The Roman penny was sevenpence halfpenny in our money, wages then enough for the day’s support. This does not prove that the reward of our obedience to God is of works, or of debt; when we have done all, we are unprofitable servants; but it signifies that there is a reward set before us, yet let none, upon this presumption, put off repentance till they are old. Some were sent into the vineyard at the eleventh hour; but nobody had hired them before. The Gentiles came in at the eleventh hour; the gospel had not been before preached to them. Those that have had gospel offers made them at the third or sixth hour, and have refused them, will not have to say at the eleventh hour, as these had, No man has hired us. Therefore, not to discourage any, but to awaken all, be it remembered, that now is the accepted time. The riches of Divine grace are loudly murmured at, among proud Pharisees and nominal Christians. There is great proneness in us to think that we have too little, and others too much of the tokens of God’s favour; and that we do too much, and others too little in the work of God. But if God gives grace to others, it is kindness to them, and no injustice to us. Carnal worldlings agree with God for their penny in this world; and choose their portion in this life. Obedient believers agree with God for their penny in the other world, and must remember they have so agreed. Didst not thou agree to take up with heaven as thy portion, thy all; wilt thou seek for happiness in the creature? God punishes none more than they deserve, and recompenses every service done for him; he therefore does no wrong to any, by showing extraordinary grace to some. See here the nature of envy. It is an evil eye, which is displeased at the good of others, and desires their hurt. It is a grief to ourselves, displeasing to God, and hurtful to our neighbours: it is a sin that has neither pleasure, profit, nor honour. Let us forego every proud claim, and seek for salvation as a free gift. Let us never envy or grudge, but rejoice and praise God for his mercy to others as well as to ourselves.

Commentary by Matthew Henry, 1710.

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Thank You, Jesus, for blessings received and prayers answered !!!

Valerie Curren

Amen Duchess & TY for sharing His Word with us!

duchess01s

WE ARE FIGHTING A SPIRITUAL WAR OF GOOD VERSUS EVIL

PRAYING ON THE ARMOR OF GOD

Father God, I now follow your command to put on the full armor of God, because my battle is not against flesh and blood but against rulers, authorities, the powers of this dark world and against spiritual forces of evil in the unseen world.

I first pray on the Belt of Truth that it may be buckled around my waist, may I be centered and encircled by your truth dear Lord. Hem me inside all that is true and right, and may I be protected and held up by the truth of your living word, in my Lord Jesus name.

I pray on the Breastplate of righteousness, please protect my vital organs and my inner man, cover my integrity, my spirit, and my soul. Guard my heart for it is the wellspring of life, please strengthen and guard the most vulnerable places in my life with that which is right, good, and noble that I might not receive a fatal blow from the enemy, in my Lord Jesus name.

I pray on the Gospel Shoes of Peace. I choose to stand in the shoes of your good news, and on the firm foundation of my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, the solid eternal rock. All other ground is sinking sand, I pray that I will not slip or fall, but that my feet would be firmly fitted on your lordship, my Lord Jesus. I choose to stand on you, so that the peace of God, which transcends all understanding will guard my heart and mind in Christ Jesus, the eternal Rock of Ages. I receive your holy peace now my Lord, from the sole of my feet to the crown of my head, in my Lord Jesus name.

I pray the Shield of Faith into my hand now. As I take up the shield of faith, I ask that you might extinguish every dart and arrow that is launched from the enemy to take me down spiritually, physically, mentally, emotionally, and every attempt of the enemy to destroy my joy. I ask that my faith in you would make it flame out. Extinguish every flaming arrow that would come against me, my life, my family, my home, or my ministry. May my faith always be out in front of me like a shield. Give me the courage to “faith my fears” by choosing to walk by faith and not by sight, in my Lord Jesus name.

I pray on the Helmet of Salvation, that you might protect my mind from the thoughts that can lead me astray. I choose to take every thought captive, and arrest all intentioned ideas and motives that would harm others, or distract me from your holy will for me. I submit every captured thought to the Lordship of my Lord Jesus Christ, and ask that you would imprison those thoughts that are not of you my Lord. Transform my mind and renew my thinking that I may think God thoughts, and have a sober mind that is focused on your glory. Please protect me from being double minded that I may allow my mind, I reject to live an earthly life, because I choose to live a holy one, governed by you My Lord Jesus, the prince of peace, please have my mind to be saturated with the holy mind of Christ, in my Lord Jesus name.

Finally, I take up the Sword of the Spirit which is the holy word of God, I pray this powerful offensive weapon into my hand, and ask that your holy word would be fitting for every encounter I face. As the enemy gets close to me, please give me the insight, wisdom, and skill to wield the word of God to drive away the enemy, in my Lord Jesus name.

May the enemy and his team flee from me, upon hearing the word of God spoken by the power and direction of the Holy Spirit. Give me the sword of the spirit to cut through the wiles of the devil, so that I may discern the schemes of the enemy when he is near.

With all kinds of prayers, supplication, and intercession I pray to you my Lord God as the one who fights my battles. Now that I’m in your holy powerful armor, I walk away covered and ready to face my day as you go before me, and please protect me in the midst of the spiritual warfare in this unseen world, in my Lord Jesus name.

Thank you my Lord, for the spiritual weapons of armor and prayer that you have given me. It is written no weapon formed against me shall prosper, and you will refute every tongue that accuses me. 

Thank you Father God, my Lord Jesus and the Holy Spirit, that I am more than a conqueror in my Lord Jesus. I pray all of this in the mighty name of my Lord God and Savior Jesus Christ, Amen.

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duchess01s

PLEASE PRAY FOR ABUSED, MISSING, AND TRAFFICKED CHILDREN

BE MY VOICE

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JESUS LOVES THE LITTLE CHILDREN

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CHILD NOT CHOICE

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duchess01s

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St. Michael the Archangel, defend us in battle, be our protection against the wickedness and snares of the devil. May God rebuke him we humbly pray; and do thou, O Prince of the Heavenly host, by the power of God, cast into hell Satan and all the evil spirits who prowl about the world seeking the ruin of souls.

Amen.

Gudthots

AMEN!

duchess01s

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duchess01s

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duchess01s

PLEASE PRAY FOR ONE ANOTHER

MAPA = MAKE AMERICA PRAY AGAIN

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duchess01s

GIFT OF GRACE

His Grace is abundant in meekness
His strength is made perfect in weakness
Gladly glory in your infirmities
And do not fear any adversities

When you are torn and worn from battle
Angels will remove the rote rattle 
Lift you up and attend to your sores
The bruises and scars from many wars

When you are dejected defeated and down
Remember God’s mercy will soon abound
He will carry you gently while you heal
The power of His Love you will surely feel

By the Grace of God you are who you are
His Grace imparted on you left no scar
You labored more abundantly than many
More than adequate which was plenty

By Grace you are saved thru Faith it is said
And not of yourself but a gift instead
One of many God bestows upon those
Who obey His commands even en throes

When you are weakened spiritually
Be rest assured of God’s right remedy
Nothing that happens is ever too large
Be still and know that He is in charge

By your side He will always be ready
To raise you right up and keep you steady
By Grace through Faith you belong to Him
A loving gift He confers not on a whim

D01: 08/22/2023

para59r
duchess01s

Psalm 91. The most powerful prayer from the Bible. God’s protection, healing 

#psalm91 #psalms #prayer

Pray Everyday

https://rumble.com/v57jz8d-psalm-91.the-most-powerful-prayer-from-the-bible.-gods-protection-healing-p.html

Sleep Well with Psalms. Psalm 91, Psalm 121, Psalm 3, Psalm 4, Psalm 139.

#faith #god #psalms

prayeveryday777

https://rumble.com/v57jvfg-sleep-well-with-psalms.-psalm-91-psalm-121-psalm-3-psalm-4-psalm-139.faith-.html

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HAVE A VERY BLESSED DAY !!!  ❤️❤️❤️



PAVACA

SteveInCO
Wow, gold passed $3000. Perhaps rhodium will start going for another run at the $24K price it was a one time.

Yes. We have to KEEP winning. Otherwise, things can revert back to “business as usual.”

Thank you for the simplified equations!

About “half-life” — several forms of this are built into psychotropic (prescription) drugs. For example, SSRI antidepressants. The SSRI antidepressant Paroxetine actually has three types of “half-life.” This drug has a physical “half-life” in the body of around 12 hours. That means that the physical body excretes the drug in about that amount of time. But there are also two other types of “half-life” for this drug, the first of which is the time it takes for it to leave the brain. That’s about 30 hours. The second type of “half-life” is how long the accumulated effects of the drug are working in the brain. This is the amount of time that the brain needs to return to “normal function” (in other words, as if the drug were never in the brain at all.) For paroxetine, this “half-life” can take anywhere from a couple of weeks to as long as two to four months (in some people, even longer) after the drug is discontinued for the brain to “rewire itself.” These three types of “half-life” is one reason why it’s difficult to taper down the dose and wean off an antidepressant, and why it’s crucial for the process to be closely monitored by a physician.

Valerie Curren

Thanks for this info. I just realized that my son Josiah stopped cold-turkey on the Paxil when he had his liver transplant at age 17 (he’s 29 now). I don’t know how much of that upheaval impacted him as he was recovering from major surgery & in the hospital for about 10 days but I don’t recall him having extreme emotional challenges then…

At the time he was taking Paxil, Metadate (a form of Ritalin), & Strattera as his behavioral meds. They told us that the Paxil might not “survive” the transplant, as it would be hard on his liver to metabolize. He was on a very low dose & I’d been shorting it for years so he usually got about 2.5 ml when he’d been prescribed 6ml when in grade school, iirc.

He voluntarily stopped the other behavioral meds about a year after the transplant & went through an adjustment phase of increased hyperactivity, especially verbally. Ultimately getting off those 3 behavioral meds helped him in his communication capabilities though it might have hurt him if he’d continued his formal education.

He went through some major anxiety bouts over the course of the years since he’s stopped the Paxil but has managed with God’s help & a lot of family support to overcome most of these challenges…eventually. Being on the autism spectrum he tends to “perseverate” so can sometimes get stuck in a mental/emotional/spiritual groove for a bit.

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

Fascinating. Overall, I think it’s likely good that he’s not on any of those for life. I’m becoming more and more of a pharmaceutical minimalist. The fewer side effects, the better.

Valerie Curren

I 100% agree!

After his liver transplant I was on the train of weaning him completely off his anti-rejection meds, if it Might be possible (as posited only for liver transplants, iirc) even though his adult transplant doc wasn’t supportive of this view, which had been expounded by his pediatric liver transplant doc & team.

However I would never intentionally wean him on my own initiative w/out physician oversight…

Then came the pharma wars associated w/ the covid crimes where certain meds became practically unobtainable, which for us meant that we were finding it increasingly difficult to obtain his needed Prograf prescription (he’d been on 1.5mg AM & 1mg PM but we couldn’t get enough to maintain that dosage so he was getting less since we didn’t know what to do & insurance & even finding Any Prograf was becomingly increasingly problematic)…

Then he started showing signs of jaundice & ended up being hospitalized in May of 2020, iirc, during the height of the covid killings & his in-patient attending admitted it wasn’t a pandemic & hadn’t been one for months (though he later denied having said this).

Ultimately he was hospitalized under a week, had a punch liver biopsy, & we were told that “we almost lost the liver”…& presumably almost lost my son 🙁

Now he’s on 2mg AM & 2 mg PM of Prograf, 2 pills of Cellcept AM & PM, & 2 capsules of Ursadiol AM & PM. He had been on Prednisone for Way longer of a tapering down process for more than a year post rejection bout too.

I keep trying to see if the doctor will lower these dosages, if it is safe to do so, & am going to explore if we might lower his Lisinopril, which is currently 40mg, as a way to reduce stress on the liver. It’s possible that at least some of his historic HBP issues have been solved or reduced since the transplant I hope…

He gets 2 0.125mg tablets of Mirapex (pramipexole) at night for his “periodic leg movements” sleep disorder & even at that dose his kicking legs still test in the disordered range. If he doesn’t get this med then his leg kicking keeps waking him up so it seems this one is still necessary.

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

How much liver function does he have now? Sounds like he actually recovered.

Valerie Curren

I don’t know how to quantify it without looking at the numbers from some bloodwork but basically his “new normal” is not as good as before the rejection bout, which is demonstrated by the significant uptick in anti-rejection meds he still takes almost Five Years after that hospitalization. He’s not getting worse, thankfully, but not clearly getting much better now either…

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

Thanks! We will pray for both holding the line and reversal!!!

para59r

Unique pro Russian/Pro Trump rant from smart pretty woman from Central Asia who likes pissing off liberals.

“Its over 6 minutes long be geez, this woman from Uzbekistan rips them to shreds and it’s pretty funny. “

https://twitter.com/TheLizVariant/status/1903210863206842786

Barb Meier

Jacob got my former house restored and put it back on the market. Prayers that he finds a new family to make happy memories there. Jacob did what I couldn’t. The previous admin blocked me from working where my skills let me make a positive difference when I would not take the shots. My income dropped by 2/3rds. Still, it was a blessing to my family and me that Jacob took on the job and made the house so much better. For me, it has never been all about money. https://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-detail/2114-E-Lee-Hwy_New-Market_VA_22844_M59658-99331

Valerie Curren

PTL you have been so blessed!

What a gorgeous home AND setting!

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Barb Meier

Thank you, Valerie! I’m so glad he could buy it and restore it so quickly. He took on risks that things might get dicey too. I hope he makes a good profit from all the work I can see he took care of. It was important to me that the house stay safe and not linger waiting for a new owner like I have seen many homes do. Some for years.

Valerie Curren

Houses need to be lived in & loved to really be homes 🙂

Barb Meier

Perfect, Valerie!

Valerie Curren

thx Barb…blush emoji 😉

Gail Combs

Thanks to my brother contesting the will, Dad’s house stayed vacant for 2 years. The result was it lost 1/2 it’s value. The lawn and gardens all died and other things.

Barb Meier

Oh that’s so sad Gail. I am so lucky that my brother and SIL were wonderfully helpful when we emptied our parents’ home for an estate sale. I loved that modest home, but lived way too far away to maintain it. I agree with Valerie, “houses need to be lived in & loved to really be homes”.

TheseTruths

What a beautiful setting!

Barb Meier

Thanks TT! I always thought so too. My little westies loved our time there.

PAVACA

Barb Meier
What a lovely house and location!

Barb Meier

Thank you, PAVACA. It’s in Shenandoah County, VA so all sorts of good things nearby. Caves, festivals, hiking trails, history, skiing, and good people.

TradeBait2

So nicely done. Would be a wonderful place to raise a family in that setting. Thanks for sharing.

Barb Meier

Thank you TB! The schools nearby are good too.

Gail Combs

Very lovely. I love the Wedgwood blue and wood floors. AND a fire place!😍

Barb Meier

I did too. The wood floors are heart of pine and Jacob made them sparkle.

Happy go lucky

It’s beautiful, Barb. That’s a beautiful part of the state commonwealth, too. I hope you’re settling into a good place now.

Barb Meier

Thank you, Happy Go Lucky! Yes, I love where I’m living. There is a view of foothills and two horses across the gravel road. I’m in the country on a private drive with 5.5 acres but houses sprinkled along the road. It’s so pretty here and i can take walks without being halfway up a mountain where there are no sidewalks and the mountain is steep. There is also a pretty pond in a valley behind my across the road neighbors. The geese spend time in our neighborhood. I am only about 20 minutes away from my older brother and now we have time to do oldie stuff together.

Happy go lucky

Congratulations! You’re living my dream 🌷

Barb Meier

Thank you, Happy!!

barkerjim

https://www.coffeeandcovid.com/p/fiat-veritas-saturday-march-22-2025

Good morning, C&C, it’s Saturday! Time for the Weekend Edition. Today’s roundup includes: a morning monologue setting the “CIA Files” story in more context; political chaos in the Democrat party devolves into proper chaos, hate speech, and domestic terror; Trump’s new gold-card program already winning customers and gushing cash; Trump clears the security clearance deck, including scrapping all cabbage leftovers; and activist lawyers find themselves in the DOJ’s crosshairs.

para59r

About that F-47 said to be successor to the F-22 Raptor. Not much known, but the short vid is helpful. Also Navy is looking at their own version which likely means carrier based.

excerpt from Wikipedia

Details about the F-47’s design remain classified. The F-47 will have “significantly longer range, more advanced stealth, be more sustainable, supportable, and have higher availability than our fifth-generation fighters”—that is, the F-22 and Lockheed Martin F-35 Lightning II, Allvin said.[16][17] He also said it would “cost less” than the F-22, be acquired in larger numbers, be “more adaptable to future threats,” and “will take significantly less manpower and infrastructure to deploy.”[15]

It is anticipated to incorporate advanced stealth capabilities, sensor fusion, and the ability to coordinate operations with drone swarms, all intended to provide an advantage in combat.[6][16]

pgroup2

And why couldn’t the F-22 receive the treatments [upgrades] regularly provided to B-52s? Oh that’s right – makes too much sense.

RAC
TheseTruths

That face you make when you didn’t know the Tesla car was video recording you

https://twitter.com/GuySquiggs/status/1903217716032631105

If it doesn’t show, it’s a guy in tears. What a waste, and what a way to ruin your life with one bad, stupid act. Not an excuse, but the Left is egging people to do these things with their lies and promotion of pure hatred.

It’s so important to have principles and a basic code of conduct. We are taught from a young age not to steal and not to damage other people’s property. It’s as if these people lose their minds, or at least that they think they won’t get caught.

And who would think that in this day and age of cameras everywhere? The guy, and others, deserve their punishment, but it’s all so unnecessary.

TheseTruths

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They probably weren’t aware of the cameras. But if your conduct depends on whether you’ll get caught, you are not acting with integrity.

Linda

What strikes me is that I would bet a majority of Tesla owners are democrats who have fallen for the climate change hoax. So they’re probably terrorizing their own.

TheseTruths

Yes, it’s amazing.

cthulhu

Could be worse…..

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Happy go lucky

🤣

pgroup2

The mug shot was a guy charged with a sex crime. Not an anti-Tesla slime.

TheseTruths

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TheseTruths

Collin Rugg:

JUST IN: Elon Musk announces he is launching a lawsuit after former Rep. Jamaal Bowman called him a “thief” and a “Nazi” on live television.

The comment from Bowman came last night on CNN.

“I’ve had enough. Lawsuit inbound,” Musk said in response to the video clip below.

https://twitter.com/CollinRugg/status/1903291922145481053

TradeBait2

MOAR please. Sick of the liars and insurrectionists.

kalbokalbs

Bankrupt the bastard AND all others like him.

Sue politicians, presstitutes (The View, talking heads…).

Toss in any hollyweird or sports goofs if they partake in such slander.

TheseTruths

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barkerjim

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Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

TRUTH!!!

TradeBait2

American Stories will be posted after Carl’s opener one more time. Starting 4/1 it will become the Tuesday Daily Thread.

PAVACA

TradeBait2
Thank you!
Yay!

kalbokalbs

TwoFer.   :pepper:   :banana-mario:   :banana2: 

Aubergine

Cool! I will be so much more likely to get to read in depth, when there aren’t two things to read in one day!

Aubergine

Amen to that. LOTS to read.

scott467

Steve posted a message in big red letters with a yellow background at the top of his ‘daily’ opening, saying he cannot post COMMENTS (except apparently to edit his original blog post).

He asked for someone to alert Wolf Moon, because no one might see his edit at the top of the screen once they have already read it.

I did a screen search for ‘Steve’ to see if anyone else had alerted Wolf Moon yet, and if so, I didn’t see it.

There is no time stamp for the edit, so I don’t know how long he’s been banging on the door, waiting for someone to let him in 👍 😁

Steve’s message says:

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NOTE I am UNABLE TO POST COMMENTS. I am getting NOTHING BUT “You are posting too quickly.” I have tried logging out and logging back in as well as reloading the page.Someone please tell WOLF.

(He might not notice this edit to my post, otherwise.)
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cthulhu

Heh. He can still do ‘likes’.

scott467

Yeah, I saw that 👍😁

Barb Meier

I searched for “Steve”. There might be one or two that refer to a different Steve, but Find found 69 hits. Perhaps there is an upper limit on comments in some number of hours?

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Valerie Curren

Wow, Word Piss is on some type of tear 🙁

scott467

You’re welcome 👍

I saw it when I logged in this afternoon, which automatically took me back to the top of the page.

cthulhu

It’s all because of Daylight Savings Time!!!

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

Our hosting company has been reporting issues in the EDT afternoon, that seem to correspond with the problems!!! They are now resolved!!!

Sorry I was not around for this. Busy day with “other” crap.

duchess01s

Trump Is Countering The Insurgency By Revoking The [DS] Security Clearance, Shutdown- Ep. 3602
 March 22, 2025  x22report

https://x22report.com/trump-is-countering-the-insurgency-by-revoking-the-ds-security-clearance-shutdown-ep-3602/

Mark Carney believes that he has the upper hand with tariffs, wait and see what happens to Canada, game over. Investments are pouring into the US. The economic foundation is being built and almost complete, then the economy is going to take off. The [DS] is now pushing an insurgency, they have their foot soldiers on the street and they are encouraging people to destroy Tesla to make Elon stop the audits. This is failing. Trump has now countered the [DS] insurgency once again by removing more security clearances, in the end the [DS] will be blind and the fake news and the Judges will not know how to react to what the patriots are doing. Shutdown.

Ep 3602a – Carney Is Now Caught In Trump’s Trap, [CB] Window Is Closing Quickly, Watch The Economy
https://x22report.com/aiovg_videos/ep-3602a-carney-is-now-caught-in-trumps-trap-cb-window-is-closing-quickly-watch-the-economy/

Ep 3602b – Trump Is Countering The Insurgency By Revoking The [DS] Security Clearance, Shutdown
https://x22report.com/aiovg_videos/ep-3602b-trump-is-countering-the-insurgency-by-revoking-the-ds-security-clearance-shutdown/

duchess01s

EVENING PRAYERS
A Powerful Evening Prayer for Peace and Serenity

Dear Lord,

As the day gradually transitions into the comforting embrace of night, I humbly come before you, seeking the precious gifts of peace and serenity. Please, dear God, enfold me in your tranquil presence, and help me find respite from the storms that may be raging within my heart and mind. Grant me the serenity to gracefully accept the things I cannot change and the courage to change what I can. May your divine light shine upon me as I seek rest and tranquility, knowing that your unwavering love and guidance are my constant companions.

Amen.
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A Powerful Evening Prayer for Strength and Guidance

Dear God,

In these twilight hours, I turn to you, my unwavering source of strength and guidance. As I reflect upon the day’s challenges and triumphs, I seek your divine intervention. Grant me the courage to face the uncertainties of tomorrow and the wisdom to make sound decisions along the way. I earnestly request that your radiant light illuminate my path through the darkness, and may your steadfast strength be my refuge in moments of doubt and weakness. Lord, help me navigate life’s complexities with unwavering faith in your unwavering presence.

Amen.

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A Powerful Evening Prayer for Gratitude and Thankfulness

Heavenly Father,

As I pause to contemplate the events of this day, my heart brims with profound gratitude for the countless blessings you have graciously bestowed upon me. I thank you, dear Lord, for the boundless love of my family and friends, for the opportunities that have enriched my journey, and for the valuable lessons I’ve gleaned from life’s experiences. As I lay down to rest, may my heart overflow with thankfulness, recognizing that your grace continually sustains me and that even in the challenges, your love remains unwavering.

Amen.

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https://strengthinprayer.com/powerful-evening-prayers/



Gudthots

AMEN

Barb Meier

Too long, but so funny…

Writers, Readers and Genteel Tomfoolery – The Public Experience!

Neilia Krumm 

 · 5h 

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Borrowed from a friend

Let’s say a guy named Fred is attracted to a woman named Martha. He asks her out to a movie; she accepts; they have a pretty good time. A few nights later he asks her out to dinner, and again they enjoy themselves. They continue to see each other regularly, and after a while neither one of them is seeing anybody else.

And then, one evening when they’re driving home, a thought occurs to Martha, and, without really thinking, she says it aloud: “Do you realize that, as of tonight, we’ve been seeing each other for exactly six months?”

And then, there is silence in the car.

To Martha, it seems like a very loud silence. She thinks to herself: I wonder if it bothers him that I said that. Maybe he’s been feeling confined by our relationship; maybe he thinks I’m trying to push him into some kind of obligation that he doesn’t want, or isn’t sure of.

And Fred is thinking: Gosh. Six months.

And Martha is thinking: But, hey, I’m not so sure I want this kind of relationship either. Sometimes I wish I had a little more space, so I’d have time to think about whether I really want us to keep going the way we are, moving steadily towards, I mean, where are we going? Are we just going to keep seeing each other at this level of intimacy? Are we heading toward marriage? Toward children? Toward a lifetime together? Am I ready for that level of commitment? Do I really even know this person?

And Fred is thinking: …so that means it was…let’s see…February when we started going out, which was right after I had the car at the dealer’s, which means…lemme check the odometer…Whoa! I am way overdue for an oil change here.

And Martha is thinking: He’s upset. I can see it on his face. Maybe I’m reading this completely wrong. Maybe he wants more from our relationship, more intimacy, more commitment; maybe he has sensed – even before I sensed it – that I was feeling some reservations. Yes, I bet that’s it. That’s why he’s so reluctant to say anything about his own feelings. He’s afraid of being rejected.

And Fred is thinking: And I’m gonna have them look at the transmission again. I don’t care what those morons say, it’s still not shifting right. And they better not try to blame it on the cold weather this time. What cold weather? It’s 87 degrees out, and this thing is shifting like a garbage truck, and I paid those incompetent thieves $600.

And Martha is thinking: He’s angry. And I don’t blame him. I’d be angry, too. I feel so guilty, putting him through this, but I can’t help the way I feel. I’m just not sure.

And Fred is thinking: They’ll probably say it’s only a 90-day warranty…scumballs.

And Martha is thinking: Maybe I’m just too idealistic, waiting for a knight to come riding up on his white horse, when I’m sitting right next to a perfectly good person, a person I enjoy being with, a person I truly do care about, a person who seems to truly care about me. A person who is in pain because of my self-centered, schoolgirl romantic fantasy.

And Fred is thinking: Warranty? They want a warranty? I’ll give them a warranty. I’ll take their warranty and stick it right up their…

“Fred,” Martha says aloud.

“What?” says Fred, startled.

“Please don’t torture yourself like this,” she says, her eyes beginning to brim with tears. “Maybe I should never have…oh dear, I feel so…”(She breaks down, sobbing.)

“What?” says Fred.

“I’m such a fool,” Martha sobs. “I mean, I know there’s no knight. I really know that. It’s silly. There’s no knight, and there’s no horse.”

“There’s no horse?” says Fred.

“You think I’m a fool, don’t you?” Martha says.

“No!” says Fred, glad to finally know the correct answer.

“It’s just that…it’s that I…I need some time,” Martha says.

(There is a 15-second pause while Fred, thinking as fast as he can, tries to come up with a safe response. Finally he comes up with one that he thinks might work.)

“Yes,” he says. (Martha, deeply moved, touches his hand.)

“Oh, Fred, do you really feel that way?” she says.

“What way?” says Fred.

“That way about time,” says Martha.

“Oh,” says Fred. “Yes.” (Martha turns to face him and gazes deeply into his eyes, causing him to become very nervous about what she might say next, especially if it involves a horse. At last she speaks.)

“Thank you, Fred,” she says.

“Thank you,” says Fred.

Then he takes her home, and she lies on her bed, a conflicted, tortured soul, and weeps until dawn, whereas when Fred gets back to his place, he opens a bag of Doritos, turns on the TV, and immediately becomes deeply involved in a rerun of a college basketball game between two South Dakota junior colleges that he has never heard of. A tiny voice in the far recesses of his mind tells him that something major was going on back there in the car, but he is pretty sure there is no way he would ever understand what, and so he figures it’s better if he doesn’t think about it.

The next day Martha will call her closest friend, or perhaps two of them, and they will talk about this situation for six straight hours. In painstaking detail, they will analyze everything she said and everything he said, going over it time and time again, exploring every word, expression, and gesture for nuances of meaning, considering every possible ramification.

They will continue to discuss this subject, off and on, for weeks, maybe months, never reaching any definite conclusions, but never getting bored with it either.

Meanwhile, Fred, while playing racquetball one day with a mutual friend of his and Martha’s, will pause just before serving, frown, and say: “Norm, did Martha ever own a horse?”

And that’s the difference between men and women

TheseTruths

  :wpds_lol:  LOL!

Valerie Curren

 😂 

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

I’m still trying to figure out the horse thing. And we’re out of Doritos.

Valerie Curren

Knight on a white horse, think the end of White Christmas 🙂

TheseTruths

Bill Melugin:

NEW: ICE Denver releases photo of arrest of Jeanette Vizguerra, the convicted criminal illegal alien Mexican activist who has a deportation order. Vizguerra hid in a church for years to avoid removal, and previously posted an image of Trump being scalped on her public Facebook page w/ the caption “This is how you Make America Great Again”.

ICE statement:

“Jeanette Vizguerra-Ramirez, 53, was arrested without incident March 17 by U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement. She will remain in ICE custody pending removal from the United States. Vizguerra is a convicted criminal alien from Mexico who has a final order of deportation issued by a federal immigration judge. She illegally entered the United States near El Paso, Texas, on Dec. 24, 1997, and has received legal due process in U.S. immigration court.”

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Exactly the kind of person who needs to go.

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scott467

“Jeanette Vizguerra added a new photo”

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That must be her granddaughter?

duchess01s
TheseTruths

Putin went to church and prayed for ‘his friend’ Trump after assassination attempt: Steve Witkoff

Russian strongman Vladimir Putin claims he rushed over to his local church and prayed to God for President Trump’s safety after he was nearly assassinated at a rally in Butler, Pa. rally last July, according to special envoy Steve Witkoff.

Witkoff met with Putin, 72, last week while trying to advance peace talks with Moscow over their brutal war in neighboring Ukraine and the Russian leader described Trump as a personal friend.

“[Putin] told me a story, Tucker, about how when the president was shot, he went to his local church and met with his priest and prayed for the president,” Witkoff told pundit Tucker Carlson during an interview posted Friday.

“Not because he could become the president of the United States, but because he has a friendship with him and he was praying for his friend.”

President Trump survived a shooting last summer, turning his head just before a bullet came within a quarter inch of killing him. AP

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Trump came within a quarter inch of death, turning his head just in time so that would-be assassin Thomas Matthew Crooks’ bullet struck his right ear. 

At the time, a Russian spokesperson suggested that the “atmosphere around candidate Trump” created by his opponents led to the conditions that paved the way for the assassination attempt. 

Putin, who is a Russian Orthodox Christian, also gave Witkoff a portrait of Trump to bring back home to the 47th president as the Kremlin seeks to flatter Washington amid delicate deliberations over Ukraine.

“President Putin had commissioned a beautiful portrait of President Trump, from the leading Russian artist, and actually gave it to me and asked me to take it home to President Trump,” Witkoff recounted.

When Witkoff debriefed Trump on Putin’s overtures, the president “was clearly touched by it,” the special envoy recalled…

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scott467

PLAN: More LEFT

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Allow me get you another shovel… you could be digging twice as fast… 👍😂

Happy go lucky

Ok, Steve. I went through the comments first. Now I’ve fortified my brain with fish oil to help me through this lol. When you said there would be math I knew I would need to prepare.

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

Fish oil is DA STUFF!!!

Gudthots

And I can’t take it in pill form to save my life.
I can eat fish.
I can take this: NF Omega-3
But I can’t take the pills.
Makes me sick, sometimes even gives a migraine.

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

Very interesting! The pills are likely not dissolving until they get past your stomach – or if dissolving, have protected the triglyceride from significant hydrolysis. This makes sense!

Gudthots

Very likely.
Could unresolved spike presence explain poor digestive functions?

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

Honestly, I would not reach for that explanation first, unless you had the beta variant of the early Wuhan mutations, which variants were still strong bioweapons, with beta being highly gastrointestinal compared to the others. That would mean there was some chance of significant gastrointestinal exposure to spike. Otherwise, the GI tract is highly resistant to most allergens, by design, with skin, eyes and respiratory tract generally being more sensitive.

If you want some indication of what sensitivities are possible with fish oil, look at the pharmaceutical enclosure for a drug called Lovaza, or its generic equivalent, omega-3 [fatty] acid ethyl esters. It is basically fish oil that has been re-esterified with ethanol instead of glycerin. This allows a higher level of purification and concentration, with removal of fishy odors, but the biologically active ingredient is basically the same – two highly unsaturated omega-3 fatty acids called EPA and DHA.

My suspicion is that your system simply prefers these things at low concentration, mixed with food and drink, as stomach output, rather than skating past.

IMO “long vax” is a greater danger than “long COVID” due to both persistent, modified mRNA and contaminating DNA, as well as injection directly into the near-circulatory system, where long-lived vaccine gets washed around the body. If you got vaxxed, there would be more danger of organ damage, including GI, although the early disease was capable of organ damage , and did quite a bit of it, too. Sadly, that fact masked medical murder by remdesivir, which tended to assault the same organs.

Bad times. How quickly we as a society forget.

Happy go lucky

I drink it, Nordic Naturals, the “lemon flavored”

RAC

Shades of Skripal & Novochoc, knee jerk reaction without a jot of proof…*******************************

“UK terrorism police probing sabotage in Heathrow Airport fire — as experts warn it bears ‘hallmarks’ of Russia: ‘More than coincidence”
“British counter-terrorism police are reportedly probing whether sabotage is to blame for the huge fire near London’s Heathrow Airport — as some experts warned Friday the inferno had all the “hallmarks” of a Russian plot.
The raging fire, which broke out at an electrical substation about 2 miles from the airport late Thursday, knocked out power to Europe’s busiest hub — forcing the cancellation of more than 1,300 global flights and disrupting travel for some 291,000 passengers.
As investigators scrambled to determine a cause for the blaze — which is expected to cause disruptions for several more days — fears mounted that Russian President Vladimir Putin could potentially be to blame for the chaos. The London Fire Brigade determined later Friday that the blaze was non-suspicious.”

https://nypost.com/2025/03/21/world-news/heathrow-airport-fire-bears-hallmarks-of-russia-experts/?utm_campaign=nypost&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter

Cuppa Covfefe

They’re still fighting WWII, the Crimean War, and, heck, the Revolutionary War with the USA… Some Fabians never learn… and their margarine is hideous… 🙂 Tescos should be ashamed of themselves…

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Rather than sliming Putin, they should be looking at themselves and the Millibrain brothers, who have all but destroyed the electrical infrastructure of the UK, which wasn’t that good to begin with…..

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Gudthots

Actually, I suspected Russia right away.
Because UK is behind the stupidity in Ukraine right now.

GA/FL

Inside The Now-Shuttered Federal Agency Where Employees Lived ‘Like Reigning Kings  

Employees of DOGE’s latest target spent taxpayer money on exotic vacations, portraits, and more.

singingsoul1

The Federal Agency employees are so obscene   :wpds_mad: 

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singingsoul1

What was the Mock trial about? Anyone know?

RAC
scott467

Marshal Pamela Talkin?

Did she beat up some English Butler and steal his clothes?

TheseTruths

I wondered if she was playing a role, but none of the others is in costume.

Cuppa Covfefe

Professor Irwin Corey lookalike contest 🙂

TheseTruths

What California needs…

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Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

Heck, I’d almost move there for THAT.

scott467

Safer to view from afar, methinks 😂

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

Damn right!!! 😉

kalbokalbs

…almost…

  :wpds_shock:    :wpds_lol: 

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

LOL!

Gudthots

5.5 million (IIRC) voters on the rolls in 2024 could not be proven to even exist.
California should lose their apportionment.
Case law goes back to 1800’s.

I’m working on the transcript of this for next week, but it’s all in here:
https://rumble.com/v6qp256-countdown-to-2026-w-united-sovereign-americans-marly-hornik-and-harry-haury.html

Marly Hornick:
“And here’s what we found in California, you know, [one] in three votes that was counted in 2024 appears to be fraud.”

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Valerie Curren

“And here’s what we found in California, you know, [one] in three votes that was counted in 2024 appears to be fraud.”

  :wpds_evil:    :wpds_mad:    :wpds_evil: 

scott467

Never heard of the Dropkick Murphys, but here’s their tribute to tone deafness 😁

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scott467

This appears to be a big deal. Mr. Constitutional Attorney is certainly excited about it, and believes it is flying under the public and MSM radar.

Apparently there was a continuing resolution to fund the government, but unlike most continuing resolutions which allocate funds to specific programs the Left loves, the CURRENT continuing resolution, somehow, gave all the money to the agencies/departments to spend however they see fit 😂 🤣 😂

It’s a little long, I cued it up past the intro part, and you can set it to 1.5 speed and still understand him 👍

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Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

Yes, this may be a thing! And if so – WOW.

scott467

Caught ’em again!

Clearly these are payoffs, disguised as ‘do gooder’ stuff.
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Prime Minister Urged to Declare “Emergency” After U.S. Stops Funding Australian Universities
March 22, 2025

SD: “If you find yourself wondering, wait, what, why are we funding Australian universities? You are likely not alone.

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Apparently, the U.S. government has been sending $6oo million/yr to universities in Australia to subsidize various college research programs. The Trump administration has told Australia the funding will likely end.

The Australian university system is in a state of panic, telling their government to declare a “state of emergency”.

One particular quote from within the Sky News article below seemingly encapsulates the mindset of the situation in the land down under:

AUSTRALIA […] Last week after it was revealed the universities had been asked to justify their funding, the National Tertiary Education Union called on the government to “guarantee Australian researchers would be protected”.

“The federal government must push back on the Trump administration’s blatant foreign interference in our independent research in the strongest possible terms,” NTEU president Alison Barnes said. (Full Article)

One would think the NTEU would be happy for an enhanced opportunity for “independent research.”

Alas, it appears Mr/Ms Alison Barnes doesn’t quite understand the nature of the word “independent” within the relationship. A little funny.”

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cthulhu

“He who pays the piper calls the tune…..”

scott467

“The federal government must push back on the Trump administration’s blatant foreign interference in our independent research in the strongest possible terms,” NTEU president Alison Barnes said.

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So sorry our money is interfering with your ‘independent’ research, let us take care of that immediately, and get our money out of your way… 😂 🤣 😂

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Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

Good grief! THESE PEOPLE!!!

scott467

I just can’t believe the Canadans are actually doing it.

I mean, can you imagine any alternate universe, where leadership could be this obtuse?

It’s like they’re walking off a cliff in a Road Runner cartoon.

This is going to hurt their economy so bad there aren’t even words to describe it… and the clowns who run their government are thumbing their noses at America, as they triumphantly prepare for national ritual economic suicide 😂 🤣 😂

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Saying Canada Can Easily Replace Economic Trade with USA, Prime Minister Mark Carney Says No Contact with Trump Administration Until Trump Shows Respect for Canada
March 22, 2025

SD: “While repeating his claim that Canada can easily replace their trade relationship with the USA by seeking larger trade relationship with other countries, specifically the EU, current interim Prime Minister Mark Carney repeats that no contact will be attempted or accepted by the Canadian government until President Donald Trump shows him respect.

This doesn’t portend favorably for U.S-Canada relations; which, to be fair, they would argue have been destroyed by President Donald Trump questioning their sovereignty. However, here’s the kicker, what Canadians don’t seem to realize is that questioning their sovereignty is simply a strategy by President Trump to eliminate the one-sided trade relationship with Canada.

It is funny to me that Canada just can’t figure this out.

As long as Canada refuses to engage with President Trump due to a perceived lack of respect, President Donald Trump will continue to enhance his disrespect of Canada, because the absence of engagement assists his ‘total trade reset’ objective. 

President Trump wants to show, perhaps prove to the Canadian people, how dependent they are on their USA relationship; vis-a-vis they are already not a sovereign, economically independent nation.” WATCH:

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(moar at the title link above)

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cthulhu

Sounds like “Revenge of the Truckers — Electric Boogaloo”.

kalbokalbs

Carney’s advisor,. The plump purple sausage

cthulhu

Gack!

I mean, figures…..

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

43-year-old Briben US attorney in Virginia “died suddenly” and if it wasn’t the jab, it could have been gangs, islamists, or deep state.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/top-virginia-federal-prosecutor-to-depart-as-trump-takes-office/ar-AA1xeF9z

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Kyle Becker

@kylenabecker

BREAKING: Jessica Aber, a Biden attorney, has been found DEAD

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cthulhu

Sheesh, she’s just a kid. It seems unnatural that she’d check out when steeped-in-the-muck old evil bastards like Garland, Mayorkas, or Merchan keep going….

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Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

The Jab is a harsh mistress. When she turns on somebody, she goes hard.