This special AOC is the Pol Pot of Climate Socialist Failure Friday Open Thread is VERY OPEN.
You can say what you want, comment on what other people said, and so on. Keep it civil. Rules much like the Old Treehouse, except of course Q discussion is not only allowed but encouraged. A couple of other important things to consider. This here link….https://wqth.wordpress.com/2019/01/01/dear-maga-open-topic-20190101/
….contains some general guidelines for things that are really, really not kosher to post here.
Also consider Wheatie’s Rules (as amended by SteveInCO):
- No food fights.
- No running with scissors.
- If you bring snacks, bring enough for everyone.
- No shooting at the nuclear warheads.
Remember – this is a free speech zone. Barring the few minor things that can get this site closed down, you ain’t gonna get banned.
And once the Gab commenting layer is here – BOOM.
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The current plan for Dear MAGA threads is to switch to a format where people have ONE NIGHT A WEEK that they take care of the thread. For example, Wheatie will put up the SATURDAY thread on FRIDAY NIGHT.
- Monday – Wolf
- Tuesday – Wolf
- Wednesday – Wolf
- Thursday – Wolf
- Friday – Wolf
- Saturday – Wheatie
- Sunday – ThinkThinkThink
If anybody else would be interested in being a Dear MAGA author one night a week, feel free to let me know.
Remember that our greatest gift to President Trump is PRAYER!
WE ARE PRAYING FOR YOU!
AND YES. Not only should we continue to pray for our President, who is of course a fellow believer, as well as for our nation, and for our world, but let me suggest praying that our resident non-believer, SteveInCO, finds his way back here soon! Surely I’m not the only person who misses him!
Finally, let us pray YET AGAIN for an end to the slaughter of the unborn, particularly when they have almost made it safe and sound into this world, and are being cruelly cut down just before birth by those who profit on their deaths.
Let us further pray that INFANTICIDE never again appears on this planet as an acceptable practice!
On the subject of Steve’s choice to move on, I will simply say the following.
I respect his wishes. Having once been something of an atheist myself (albeit corrupted at an early age by a religious caregiver), I can appreciate his quandary. Moving among communities on the internet is a normal part of life, and we have to make choices about where we spend our time. I have left other communities for here, and I can envision having to leave here, too, although rather unlikely at the moment.
Steve is welcome to return here in the future, if he wishes, but no matter what, I will wish him well on his travels, and hope we meet again, if not here, then elsewhere on the internet.
The coin below is in his honor.
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I will only say wrt Steve
Fare thee well.
I normally say “Amen” at this point, but I’ll just say “Agreed” instead! 😀
Loved and missed.
Never forgotten.
Always welcome.
Absolutely! A cherished friend!
So very true.
No wonder I love you Steve and enjoyed your comments, you are all my six engineers of various disciplines (plus the ones still in school) all rolled into one.
As far as atheism, no prejudice here. I admit it makes me sad for people who don’t have faith, just as I am sad that our best friend DH’s college roommate, neighbor for years and also cousin, was an atheist. He was a good, kind, generous, intelligent soul who was fun to be with. Yes, I still pray for him, and won’t lie, I will continue to pray for all peoples to know God.
Love you Steve, miss you, and please pop in here at least once in a while.
Steve … as other have said, you will be missed. Your decision is respected here, make no mistake.
Allow me to leave you with this, fervently hoping that you’ll drop in once in a while:
WWG1WGA …
Caught Steve’s post almost immediately after he posted last night, but the comments were closed. New day thread not up yet. Anyway…
In my heart, I knew this was why he was absent. Not about the atheist part, because I had no idea, but it was my “Infanticide in New York State” article which had the discussion about terminology. Steve had stopped responding in the comments that day.
Now that I know he is an engineer, it makes sense. My husband is an engineer, they’re precise. Details matter – as they should. Along with the necessity for preciseness, each field has their own terminology.
I’ll simply say it makes me sad, and I’ll miss him because he is bright, witty, and knowledgeable, and obviously a big part of the Q-Tree community.
Oh, Lady P., sorry to say I’m not sure I looked at your thread on infanticide as it was just all too sad and shocking, and I was trying to deal with so much anger to think this was happening in our country. Wow. I see.
No problem. It’s very painful, unbearable when one gets into the details. OTOH, this is the fight of our time – to stop the country from turning into a 21st Century Third Reich, or as Wolf mentions, Stalinists. Abortion, and its secondary outcome, euthanasia, IMO, are at critical mass right now in America.
Lady,
I somewhat disagree about engineers since I am one as well, BS-Mechanical Eng UofMD,College Park.
Yes, I am precise when it matters, but you have to keep your ability to assess the venue one is engaged in and make a decision as to whether being precise is critical to the discussion. Challenging one’s lack of precision on a topic that doesn’t make a significant difference in the outcome, is petty and I would go further to say that the person doing that just wants others to know how ‘smart’ they are. A non-scientific example; when others point out improper grammar, spelling, etc in other’s comments really doesn’t change the meaning; it’s petty and serves no real purpose.
The venue here is Wolf’s blog. IMHO, a blog is a place where 90%+ of the comments are based on emotions and feelings that are generally in response to factual events that have occurred. We all see it every day where even a rebuttal with precise facts doesn’t make a difference in changing anyone’s feelings or emotions; it just gets people more pissed off at each other. A really good example are all those NeverTrumpers who claimed that moniker because they viewed DJT as a liberal democrat and would govern as one. The fact is that PDJT has proven the exact opposite, but that hasn’t changed many of the NT’s; it’s got them more pissed off because they were wrong and pointing that out to them makes it even worse.
With that said, I find SteveInCO’s farewell post somewhat disingenuous. Don’t get me wrong I enjoyed many of his comments, but he goes to great lengths to describe his ‘science’ background, how he’s one for precision, and even divulges his atheism. BUT, his reason for ‘leaving’ is emotional; his feelings were hurt…to put it bluntly. He couldn’t handle many of the ‘religious’ connotations expressed here by others even though none were directed to him personally. That is an emotional decision, not a scientific one.
Being precise is good, but being pragmatic gets thing accomplished.
With that said, I wish SteveInCO well and would like to see him return; if he decides otherwise…so be it; life will go on and others will takes his place…no one is indispensable. Just as many of us here experienced over on CTH. SD was is/was good, but changed. SteveInCO is/was good but changed. And as Wolf said, he may move on one day…Life is like that, we make friends; circumstances change; then we move on.
Thanks, Steve. I felt that I had held my ground on the concept and the issue. My hubby is an engineer too, and he does the exact numbers for when it counts, but understands the whole world isn’t black and white.
Ultimately, infanticide was the right word, it’s the one that is now in the public’s consciousness. It’s a wake-up call.
Perhaps it takes a certain … grace … to hold in tension what is imperfect against what is accurate?
I fully support Steve’s choice. Freedom of association is part of liberty. We will miss him terribly, but he added a little of his DNA to our Q Tree from the beginning and he won’t be forgotten soon.
There is a part of what Steve said that many don’t see, but that, as a former atheist and (from the viewpoint of many) current syncretist, is clear to me, which IMO relieves Steve from the charge of being disingenuous. That being the fact that he REALLY doesn’t feel free to say what he REALLY thinks here on many topics, because it would be (in his opinion) highly disruptive. I believe this is the primary issue, and he stated it well. In the absence of Q discussion, much of what is being discussed here has changed, and perhaps in ways that are not to his liking.
I think we could have had a very interesting discussion on the whole topic of the labeling of infanticide, because I actually have an argument on the topic which “bridges the gap” by explaining that the current terminology, though theoretically agreed, is highly inadequate due to changes in technology, society, and understanding of political deception. The argument makes historical reference to real changes in OTHER terms pertaining to social issues. Of course, that gets into our objections to subtle changes in terms and deliberate conflations of terms by our adversaries, and then one is faced with the question of “what is the difference between conflating “infanticide” and conflating “immigrant”? Ah, yes – the argument that these might be different in any way leads into a MAZE.
I wish I had two or three self-copies, so I could have engaged in that discussion while taking care of basic site obligations, which perhaps would have made a difference, but probably not. Like I said, I believe Steve’s main objection was clearly stated – he is not comfortable making advanced non-believer arguments here, not only because of the reasons he stated, but I’ll add one more for him – it’s a LITERAL waste of his time – said not in a bad or accusative way, but simply that he has better things to do to help MAGA, than getting into religious arguments. I am that way myself on many topics. I simply don’t want to spend time in non-productive endeavors. Thank God Billy Graham always got this. And many others. This is discernment.
Steve may find future reason to come back here, and I think we should feel free to welcome him into the occasional discussion, but not be demanding of any kind of continued presence.
OK – back to those duties!!! Thanks for listening 😀 😉
Good post, Steve in Lewes – well put.
One never knows the backgrounds of others – your bona fides, my bona fides, whoever’s. It’s a bit dangerous to claim superiority, even in a single area – there is always someone “smarter”, more qualified, etc.
I’ve come across WAY too many people who had the blessing of a tremendously analytical mind – high IQ, high scores, et al. – who couldn’t see the forest for the trees, when it came to relationships and human interaction.
Ironically, I’ve usually found that the Bible gives the key: Vanity. Without humbleness, one can get into all kinds of trouble … which a genius-level analytical IQ is ill-suited to foresee / perceive. One needs a balance, with what’s called “EQ”.
“Above all, to thine own self be true.” (This is an apt definition of EQ, I think.)
I often refer to science as “the art of seeing”. One must see oneself truly (or close), before one has the chops to see others truly (or close).
You nailed it, sister.
Many thanks.
Er, “brother” please!
YW!
My sincere apologies!!
It wasn’t you Lady P. Had nothing to do with you. Rest easy.
Okay. Thanks. I always try to be diplomatic in responses, and I do remember standing my ground on the “infanticide.”
He probably just needed a break, and it’s always good to recognize the right time.
“It wasn’t you Lady P.”
I suspect I bear some responsibility, perhaps the most.
I’d “laid into” him BEFORE your authored post on infanticide, about two or three weeks prior. I wasn’t very kind. I dislike haughty behavior, and not allowing for what one doesn’t know.
Afterward, I tried to help him out by really explaining what another of my posts meant (he thanked me, and understood), and I reassured him that we’re all on the same side. Meaning, small differences are a low priority.
But a few times, in the past month, I “had words” with him.
Perhaps with the words of others, it reached “critical mass” for him.
“I always try to be diplomatic”
Yes, Lady P – and you succeed!
Ok, thank you for the additional information. The only reference I had was the “infanticide” issue, and he felt strongly.
On that, I don’t give any ground as it’s been proven to be the catalyst causing a firestorm that we desperately need to make it to the Supreme Court.
It’s a small consolation, Lady P, but I agreed with your terminology (‘infanticide’, IIRC) then and will agree with it in future.
It’s sad that a question of ***words*** is all it takes for someone to drop off commenting on a website. I thought Steve was above that, especially given his intelligence.
Perhaps a nerve was touched which brought home a very uncomfortable reality?
That might well be the issue.
One can argue about semantics, but one cannot argue about the deed itself.
I would very much like to see SteveInCO return, but there could well be a personal issue which might be greater than semantics — and the Q Tree.
May God bless all of us, including SteveInCO, through Christ Jesus, our only Mediator and Advocate. Amen.
To clarify: the sentences in italics are mine, not those of other posters here.
Ayup. Steveinco will be missed by me for the 2nd time around. Atheist or Christian, he has a place saved on this branch. Without Q, we still have MAGA which wont end until we Keep America Great. Hes always welcome if I have a say. As my kiddo says, “Buenos Nachos” until next time…
Happy trails … is my phrase of choice for a parting like this. It is my wish that each of us, including Steve, finds places in person and online where we feel a fit. In a rapidly changing environment, that is easier said than done. Best wishes, Steve.
To Steve:
You were someone whose comments I looked forward to, and I don’t mean just the counting or funny ones. I usually agreed with what you said. I didn’t witness the situations you describe about terminology, etc., but can see why they might give you pause.
As for Christianity, we are an imperfect bunch who unfortunately don’t always live our faith. Ideally, one should be able to judge a religion by its adherents, and most of us try to live as we ought, but we also fail every day. Forgiveness is also part of the faith. We are only human, and we have blind spots.
I have missed your presence and comments here. I hope you will visit again sometime, though I respect your decision and acknowledge your freedom to make it.
⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐!!!
“As for Christianity, we are an imperfect bunch who unfortunately don’t always live our faith.”
Oh, so true. I am keenly aware of my imperfect self who tries and fails daily in my walk. I am ashamed that I do not lead by better example. And still I know that I am loved and so grateful for that.
Steve, if you should read this….
I have appreciated your unique perspective and presence here. I miss you now and will miss you as time goes forward.
I think it was really kind of you to let us know what was up rather than just disappearing from our lives and leaving us hanging.
I hope you drop in some times.
I will always hope for the best for you.
With love,
Sylvia
Miss Sylvia – With all my family stuff going on, I missed Steve’s goodbye post – could you please give me a link?
Sorry GA/FL I just saw your post.
I am grieving at losing Steve from our community. Perhaps contrary to his preference, he has been laid on my heart as one to pray for and so I shall.
Never mind – I found it and will respond (as a former atheist/agnostic) after I have given it some time, thought and prayer.
Fare well, SteveInCO.
If you’re reading this thread, we were sorry to read your post.
I know a LOT of atheists and agnostics, online and offline. I never cared about your religious orientation, if, indeed, I even knew what it was.
I looked forward to your comments on coins and science — as well as your sharp wit. I learned something from everything you wrote here, and you often left me with a smile.
You will be sorely missed here.
I hope one day you decide to return.
In the meantime, MAGA!
Dear Steve
As an INJF I honor your “door slam”. I respect your logic and realize your decision was not emotional.
INTJ female here. I, too, understand Steve. I wish him all the best.
I am one of those who doesn’t care what other people’s religious or non-religious affiliation is.
If you are reading here now Steve, I will miss your commentary. You are obviously a smart guy; I was one of those “annoying kids,” too! I’ve been on the outside looking in a lot.
I hope you will drop by, at least on the days when Q drops some new stuff. Those comment days should be more in line with your thinking. But if you don’t, fare well, friend. I’ll miss you.
IN/STJ here (the N and S depend on the day I’m taking the test).
Smiling at you Churchmouse.
🙂
Apparently even her minders, her Chief of Staff, can’t rein her in…
I thought it was very odd that on the exact same day when we get some clarity about who had been “smartening her up”, she pulls this Obamacare-level DISASTER. But then – even more bizarrely – ALL THE DEMS SIGN ONTO THE CRAZY. 😯
Not sure WTH is up with these guys. Plugs Biden? NO WAY. They just NUKED all their candidates with her insanity.
I have a VERY hard time thinking that even the Dems are really this stupid and self-sabotaging.
Maybe it’s a “purity test” of some kind. Hence my “Pol Pot” comment. It’s NUTS.
People are using the “Stalin” word about this.
Normally *I’M* the only one who bandies about Stalin’s name WRT these Dems. I was, like – WOW – people are finally seeing it today!
It was every comment about the green (no way)deal is that is was actually a total red deal plus a heavy layer of stupid.
“plus a heavy layer of stupid” – Perfectly put plus LOL.
They may be letting her commit political suicide on her own rather than forcing it like has happened to a few other people. After all, she primaried the party’s chosen candidate.
Why would they let her commit political suicide……
And then jump right in behind her?
WM, whether or not you realize it, the words you use give other people permission to use them, too. It’s not as if they weren’t in the thought processes because likely they were for many but seeing them actually used opens up lots of possibilities for use in actual conversations where one can say “I read this or that” and it begins more openness if that makes any sense.
Personally, i have learned so much from you and appreciate you sharing what you know to be true and what you think about it.❤❤❤
Shes a monkey with a wrench for sure in that sense.
I wouldnt be surprised if the dimms flip her to control her or she has a breakdown and quits. We will see once she has actual work to do.
She’s there to make Nan look sane and logical.
Oh, Jane that’s a brilliant observation!🤣
LOLOL
It boggles the mind.
Wait a week, and it’ll be some other freak show.
It’s like nobody can talk them off of the ledge even.
“It’s like nobody can talk them off of the ledge even.”
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Seems like nobody’s even trying 😁
Amen
Who is behind AOC? Why does everybody think she came from obscurity? Watch this first:
I will elaborate further at another time about how all this is from Soros and her Chief of Staff, who is the person that made Bernie popular in 2016 and moved on to create AOC. The Green Deal actually came from this guy who tried it with Bernie in 2016, but it never caught on because of such a disruptor that PDT was during the time. There are also connections from him to the whole Covington Catholic Boys debacle. The Chief of Staff’s name is Saikat Chakabari and he has kept a low profile and gone unnoticed, but AOC is his puppet!
A bit more background, it all ties together!
https://twitter.com/MaGaFreethought/status/1093668647556562945
Yeah, this is starting to make sense.
FAKE NEWS is COMMUNIST FAKE NEWS.
From the image:
Hip Hop Caucus @HipHopCaucus
“Indigenous Nations have been hollering about the Grean New Deal for thousands of years, and we feel an energy coming alive” – @ ChaseIronEyes
…
An “energy coming alive” -> Spiritism.
So let’s put this together. “Green” and “energy” aren’t about conservation and electro-mechanical power – its a metaphysical religious outlook of nature worship and spiritist nature energy. Aka, paganism.
Not just any old paganism, an anti-Christian, anti-Western, anti-technology, anti-human paganism that subordinates man strictly below the created order, romanticizing the primitive human supposed pristine relationship with nature.
Nevermind the facts, that native American per-Columbian cultures like the Mississippian culture died out long before Europe came to America, precisely because they exhausted their environment, precisely because the lacked the technological capacity to adapt and produce abundance in the face of scarcity.
And that’s the same thing that’s behind the “Green” movement in Europe, and was behind Hitler and his really ODD package of beliefs that included Satanism, old Norse/European legends, etc., etc. Oh, and the Greens, up until very recently, supported pedophilia and a whole catalog of perversions.
Sometimes, though, I have to wonder if their overt craziness is calculated; part of a cognitive dissonace preparation for accepting a Hegelian third way.
Though they’ve moved the Overton window so far to the left it’s become a door – into a huge, swampy, sewer…
There’s a fellow who’s studied failed cultures and societies going back around 7000 yeras or so. All of them shared the same features, and all of them followed the same path into ruin. Ironically this was mentioned on a climate blog, in a very different context (obviously) but the similarity of the disintegrations still holds true. I’m sorry I don’t have the link to hand…
I’m looking at his feed and I see the guy in the White baseball hat an mustache.
Who is it?
Now, I’m dying to know.
Apparently he’s a Indian Nation hip hop artist activist…..who is followed on twitter by AOC’s handler (Chief of Staff Chakrabarti). In case you missed the 8 minute vid yesterday posted by Mahgdalen Rose.
Twitter is helping us connect the dots
https://twitter.com/MaGaFreethought/status/1093668647556562945
THANK you, TBOR. He’s a piece of work.
He looks like the guy who was also beating a drum beside Nathan Phillips. You can catch a glimpse of him at 2m 57s or so of this tape. Didn’t watch the whole thing this time but I believe he is in the tape at least once more.
Don’t know if it IS him, but there is a resemblance.
Sorry. I am totally embarrassed. That was the picture first posted! So of course it is him. I did not look carefully enough!
“Who is behind AOC? Why does everybody think she came from obscurity?”
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I haven’t read your links yet, but I agree.
Whether she is really as stupid as she seems or whether she is playing her designated part, we’re definitely being played.
The question is, is it by the good guys (e.g., is AOC part of a scheme to destroy the devilrat party?), or something else entirely.
I don’t follow Cortez’s tweets, but I see many references to the effect that she is a ‘genius’ with her Twitter comments.
That may just be the MSM public relations doing the heavy lifting to promote her, but if her Twitter capability is actually competent or better, there is no way to reconcile that with her real life Inspector Clouseau persona.
Which is why I strongly suspect that Cortez isn’t running her own Twitter account in the first place, i.e., she has nothing to do with it. It is outsourced to some political consultant or team.
And I strongly suspect that is true for most if not ALL of the political-class.
Including DJT, at least to some extent. Remember a year or so ago, when something was tweeted on POTUS’ Twitter account that caused controversy (what doesn’t?), and some assistant claimed responsibility?
Maybe he was taking a bullet for the president, or maybe he wasn’t, maybe the account is being run by a team.
Maybe ALL of the politicians have professional consultants operating their Twitter accounts.
It’s certainly not far-fetched, considering:
A) there is nothing the political-class won’t do to deceive us — literally nothing.
B) they could all easily afford a team to run their Twitter accounts
C) it would help prevent a lot of the political-class from looking stupid
D) it would lighten their ‘work load’ (such as it is) to have someone else do it and make them look good in the process
Imagine if Pelosi, Schumer, Cortez, etc., and all of their GOPe counterparts, have outsourced their Twitter accounts to professional teams. It seems perfectly natural and in keeping with every other phony thing about these people.
But it should be easy figure out if this is what’s happening.
Every Tweet has a time-stamp.
All anyone would have to do is follow some of these people around for a few days, and match up the time-stamps with the (supposed) ‘authors’.
Granted, a lot of any given day the public doesn’t have access to these public officials, so who knows what they’re doing behind closed doors, using Twitter or anything else.
Any team ‘running’ a politician’s Twitter account would have to be very careful to never ‘Tweet’ when their ‘boss’ is doing something else publicly (e.g., giving a speech, doing an interview on TV, etc.), otherwise the time-stamp would prove that it was impossible for the politician to have sent the Tweet.
But the sheer volume of Tweets means, and human error (and laziness) means it wouldn’t be long before someone slipped up (or many someones slip up, and frequently) and the whole ‘professional political consultants representing themselves as the real Politician’ Twitter scam would be exposed.
You need to see the video, I had to stop and stare at the wall for a while. She’s the mouthpiece and has Bernie’s team behind her. She’s not running her social media. Saikat Chakrabarti is her chief of staff.
Wheatie was on it yesterday with a video. AMAZING background by an internet researcher, Magdelen Rose (spelling).
Interesting idea on timing.
Sidenote: during the SOTU speech, Ilhan Omar blocked husband on Twitter.
Was she really looking at her twitter feed during the speech? Or was it someone else? You’re right, Scott, the time stamps would blow their cover in a heartbeat.
I don’t post much here but I do read 🙂. Within the Mahgdalen Rose Twitter thread was a post that led to this YouTube video …
Note: I do love you all. What I post are little things that belong on a “button box” type of thread, it’s just miscellaneous bits and pieces so I stay within my skill-set OT .. 🙂❤️
Take care and God bless you all
I’m glad to be able to read you still, I’m very happy wolfmoon created a “Q” refuge 🤨👍❤️🇺🇸
Thank you very much for the video link, Nikki.
It is very interesting.
I recommend it to everyone.
Yes – GREAT STUFF. This shows that AOC’s RELATIONSHIP with the members of the Justice Democrats IS IN FACT EXACTLY what Mahgdalen Rose reports.
Indeed, Wolf.
Justice Democrats will be a name to watch as we approach 2020.
Happy to see you post! 😀
Thank you very much wolfmoon, glad to be here 😉👍🤚‼️🇺🇸
This a wonderful tree 🌳❤️
“Take care and God bless you all
I’m glad to be able to read you still, I’m very happy wolfmoon created a “Q” refuge 🤨👍❤️”
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Glad you’re here!
As Q would say…
WWG1WGA 😁
😉👍❤️‼️🇺🇸
The Bible talks about being ‘drunk on sin’ – it looks like the Dems are drunk on the blood of the unborn innocent infants they are so determined to slaughter.
Abortion is all about the R2Scrw any time/any way without consequence and any consequences (pregnancy, STDs, etc.) paid for at the taxpayer’s expense.
Slow Clap to Wolfmoon.
On the very day we learn about AOC’s Chief of Staff and her mysterious pathway to celebrity, we get the surprised with the new deal for Socialists. The Green New Deal was rolled out, hilarity ensued, AOC deleted it from her website………. and then, miracle of miracles, the evening news included all the talking heads, who were, apparently, taking it seriously.
What?
AWARENESS is a wonderful thing. 😀
Seriously, this stuff used to just SLIDE BY the electorate. No more.
It’s looking more and more like the party is in serious disarray. Whatever is going on is a failure at the leadership level. It’s like the orientation system has disappeared or is being ignored.
I think what we’re seeing is that the DSA (Democratic Socialists of America) have deeply fractured the Democrats into two distinct parties. Project Veritas undercover videos in September 2018 showed how deeply embedded DSA members are in all government positions. Yesterday we learned about a recruiting arm called Brand New Congress whose directive is to find and promote socialist mouthpieces like AOC. These groups all tie together, probably through Media Matters and Share Blue. This has Soros if you can’t beat ’em infiltrate them fingerprints all over it.
AOC is being promoted to make Hillary look sane and the only viable candidate for 2020.
That’s a strong possibility I had not considered!
Will it backfire though – at the moment it doesn’t seem to be giving HRC credit, and Trump appears to be the adult in the room… we shall see!
IMO, AOC is as ignorant as she sounds, and she envisions herself as the next “Evita Peron.”
She likely is being used as a tool by the Left. They’re moving toward radicalism, not away.
lady P! EVITA! is exactly right!! “Don’t Cry for me Argentina”!…WOW great analogy!!
I’ve had that in mind for awhile. Just look at her dramatic makeup and she has the Latino heritage, so it wouldn’t surprise me. Turned out Evita was a piece of work too, and disastrous for her people – though they didn’t know it.
That’s too bad. AOC’s Green New Deal was so utterly BIZARRE and RIDICULOUS that it makes a SEA TO SEA BORDER WALL seem humble and austere by comparison!
I didn’t understand exactly what happened and went to this Daily Caller article: https://www.dailycaller.com/2019/02/07/ocasio-cortez-green-new-deal-release/
It explains that the FAQ section of the website had representations that weren’t in the actual bill. That is a colossal mistake on someone’s part. I’m still not clear whether AOC didn’t know what was in the legislation and only talked about what she thought was in it. It’s a disaster on many levels — the bill itself, the publicity about cow flatulence, the website errors, AOC’s press conference where she said people had ocean water seeping into their living rooms, etc.
Due to recent scandals and mistakes (blackface, American Indian claims, the Green New Deal, etc.), the Left is opening itself to ridicule, an Alinsky tactic that they use against us all the time. We haven’t had so many opportunities to use it as a weapon in ages. (And I do mean “weapon,” as in war, because this is a war. In everyday life I would eschew ridicule.) All people are talking about now is Dem hypocrisy about blackface, Pocahantas’s duplicity, and cow flatulence. Many on the Left are losing their credibility.
The schemes of the enemies of America are backfiring and falling upon their own heads.
Strange, isn’t it?
“Feels weird, man.” -Suspicious Wolf
Stuff is WAY too interrelated. All these cow farts STINK!
New York State: Infanticide Push
Links to: PP
Links to: Virginia Infanticide Push
Links to: VA Gov Northam Infanticide comments
Links to: VA Gov Northam racist yearbook
Exposes: blackface, racism
Links to: VA Lt Gov MeToo Moment
Links to: VA AG scandal
Links to: VA Rep scandal
Appears related to: AOC
Attended: SOTU 2/5/2019
Connected to: Radical MeToo/Feminist movement WhiteOut
Confirmed Link to: Resuscitate ERA – Whiteout proudly wearing ERA pins
Exposes: Surprisingly active but quiet push to ratify ERA just in the last few years
AOC Presents: Green New Deal (GND)
Linked to: Myriad Socialism projects
AOC Linked to: Saikat Chakrabart (from Mahgdalen Rose reporting)
Exposes AOC: Connected with Brand New Congress (BNC), +others (pls help expand other orgs exposed by Mahgdalen Rose)
BNC linked with: Bernie Sanders campaign, DSA
Connected with: Soros (of course, no surprise here)
AOC & Bernie = BFFs, campaigning together
GND Origination: Bernie 2016, Saikat
AOC ringleader Saikat following/RT: Leftist HipHopCaucus re: Green New Deal
HipHopCaucus exposed: found square in middle of Nathan Phillips / Covington boys
No coincidences: Saikat Chakabari -> HipHopCaucus -> Nathan Phillips -> Covington Catholic Boys setup
Covington Catholic Boys setup: Rabbit Hole! Can’t begin to scratch surface here.
Nathan Phillips exposed: False Eldership claim.
Nathan Phillips exposed: False Vietnam service claim. Stolen valour.
Nathan Phillips exposed: Continues to try to defend himself in the face of exposed lies.
Nathan Phillips exposed: Many others I can’t recall (pls help expand)
Common Theme: Leftism and Indian Heritage
Timing: Elizabeth Warren exposed, finally admits truth
Linked to: Liz Warren falsifying papers for state bar
Timing: Released day of SOTU
Risk: Liz Warren’s law degree, public credibility
I *know* I’m missing things in this.
BOVINE FLATULENCE!!!
Definite network of what we might call DIVERTED AND RECOVERED NARRATIVES.
” AOC’s press conference where she said people had ocean water seeping into their living rooms, etc. ”
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I don’t know about the rest of it, but that ocean water seeping into living rooms sounds real.
Especially for a lot of the land-locked states.
A key part of the Dim’s strategery is to convince people that up is down, black is white, abortion is not murder, closed borders is “raciss”, men are women, etc … they are trying to totally discombobulate as many people as possible.
When the truth / reality stands opposed to your agenda, then your only recourse is attempt to change perception of truth / reality. This stands behind their dismantling of education first of all, and everything else they do …
JasonD you might be on to something.
What if this is a psycho stunt and then they come back to a new reality for us not quite as extreme but still further left then when they began..?
Something is fishy no one shakes their party to the core with absurdity and cruwelty .
They have some sinister planes for he next election and before. Whom ever they run against POTUS will look reasonable compared to the Cortez and her ilk.
Something does not feel right because it is so over the top.
Many thanks. A definite consideration, singing soul.
Very much agreed.
giggle snort…
IKR, she was incoherent. Ocean waves in my living room?
Occluded Cortex brings a couple of songs to mind:
(from “Paint Your Wageon) (probably green, like Löwenzahn’s):
I talk to the trees
But they don’t listen to me
I talk to the stars
But they never hear me
The breeze hasn’t time
To stop and hear what I say
I talk to them all in vain
(and, from Hotel California, where AOC would definitely fit):
Mirrors on the ceiling
The pink champagne on ice
And she said “We are all just prisoners here, of our own device”…
“Occluded Cortex brings a couple of songs to mind:”
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She reminds me of Bob Dylan’s “Idiot Wind” 😁
Idiot wind, blowing every time you move your mouth
Blowing down the back-roads heading south
Idiot wind, blowing every time you move your teeth
You’re an idiot, babe
It’s a wonder that you still know how to breathe
(“Blood on the Tracks” album, 1975)
I’m in Oklahoma, and as I write, I am bucketing out sea water from my living room!!! However, I could be having a LSD flashback!!!
Kind of gives one the impression someone was doing the “cut and paste” shuffle.
We had a ton of winnin’ yesterday (the 7th)
Here’s hopin’ tomorrow brings even more… in the mundane world and in our personal little bubbles…
God bless all of you here…thanks again to you Wolfie for this wonderful sanctuary.
going to lay my head down now 😉
#MeToo – soon!
Rest well!!!
oops…
Wolfie, just saw the banner… header. It’s WONDERFUL!
you’ll have to tell us about the photo w/ the very handsome, smiling young man …
I found that in a tweet – let me see if I can find it again….
Found it! Garrison the cartoonist had retweeted it!
Don’t tell my young wife, but that hat makes Speaker d’Alesandro look pretty GRRRRR.
Or maybe it’s just the resolution on my computer…. 😉
LOL the hat works on her! She’s a natural at that gangsta look – it pairs perfectly!
Oh, yeah – THAT is IT! Bad Girl!
You rest. Tomorrow is friday…that means we get a weekend drop from POTUS!
After today’s AOC debacle with her Green New Deal and all the other things she has done, I’ve been more and more thinking that something just doesn’t smell right with her. She is a little bit too dumb and too crazy for belief. So I was interested to see that FBI Anon had made a few posts about her on 4Chan. See what you think about these posts. They are believable to me and add a whole new wrinkle to her story:
“Cortez (AOC) is a CIA asset that was placed in the Democrat Party to help destroy it. Her election was a fraud and her actions now are predicated on her instructions to split the party into Socialist and Democrat parts. Many of the Democrats will split off to the Republican Party and by 2020 the Democrat Party will be totally Socialist. She will leave office after one term and will retire to Europe where she will have access to a 56 million dollar Swiss Bank Account.”
“Do you really think a punk bartender would have been elected without a whole operation in place starting with a world class IS operation that flipped ballots in New York to ensure her victory?”
“Have you considered the narratives that she has been putting out in the political discussions? Those narratives were developed by deep state operatives at Langley for their potent impact on the body politic. Do you think the bartender thought this up between playing video games?”
“She was the most important (asset) the CIA has developed since WW2. Hence her price tag. Well worth it…it is a combination of the framing and the framer. Wait and watch how this develops. It is the message and the messenger.”
“AOC was developed long before Trump. The Deep State has many such assets, they trigger them when needed. Need is based on their perception as to where the country is going. What has changed is the Democrats have gone totally insane and as I mentioned earlier they are totally unreliable…Trump is not in the loop on this. No need.”
Incidentally, he mentioned that the whole mess going on in Virginia was also triggered by the same people who activated AOC.
Now THAT’S interesting.
Linda!! Judas Goats All over the place!!! Seems right!
“She was the most important (asset) the CIA has developed since WW2″
More important than Hussein? LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL….
Oh, I absolutely believe she’s playing a part for someone else’s agenda. But I’m not buying this particular explanation.
Totally agreed about Hussein. Although I think Langley and the Kremlin will have to fight over “who’s your daddy” on that one!!!
I can almost believe this.
It’s almost like someone is engineering all this. The democrats have just gotten too batshit crazy way too quickly for it not to be on purpose. It’s not just AOC and the Virginia mess and the infanticide, it’s Pelosi blatantly partying and trying to go on an expensive junket during the shutdown and not even trying to negotiate. It’s Elizabeth Warren and her DNA test. And so many other ridiculous things. Someone is telling them to do those things, and being in a bubble, they have no idea how it looks to the rest of us.
I’m not with the she’s so dumb crowd. She isn’t. She’s focused and can think on her feet. It doesn’t always jive or make perfect sense but she never flounders like a rookie. She’s been trained or coached well.
Her Green Deal..like all these other bills..they don’t write them, maybe don’t actually read them very well.
No way Harris , Warren or any of the others would endorse if they actually read it…they just can’t be that far gone.
One would think no sane person would touch the Green Deal, but look:
“The measure is supported by at least six senators with their eyes on the White House: Cory Booker of New Jersey, Kirsten Gillibrand of New York, Kamala Harris of California, Elizabeth Warren of Massachusetts, Bernie Sanders of Vermont and Amy Klobuchar of Minnesota.”
https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/politics/ct-democrats-green-new-deal-20190207-story.html
Molly I agree.
Interesting possibility.
Another thing that seems to go along with it all being orchestrated is Pelosi’s nonchalant take on these newbies completely dominating the public persona of the D party.
If they were gone rogue Pelosi would be running her bumbling stumbling pressers to show who’s running the show.
Yes. Great point.
AOC presenting the New Green Deal with all those very seasoned male politicians standing behind her in support. Optics. She and Ed Markey teaming up? Has to be engineered.
Bingo, Holley.
While we think it’s bizarre, my local commie rag still has a page full of “letters-to-the-editor” saying let “bygones be bygones.” That’s the voter base talking. That all this is crazy and extreme, at least right now, doesn’t appear to have seeped into the public’s consciousness.
We see it because we’re immersed. But the people who pay no attention? They’re oblivious. BTW, That same commie rag made it’s front page all about our GOP state senate guy who was the editor of some yearbook from years ago – which has blackface, klan stuff, their story today. Rep. Bobby Scott, the Black guy from Norfolk who knew of Dr. Tyson’s concerns regarding Justin Fairfax, that’s inside the paper.
This is how the MSM propaganda machine for the Democrats plays the game.
Just a cautionary note about whether the people are “woke” yet.
The trouble with letters-to-the-editor, though, is the editor still (usually) selects which ones get printed, generally put through the jaundiced filter of the liberal press…
I look forward to the gab comment tool. I also expect that there will be a huge hue and cry against it…sigh.. At least over here, many of the comments sections are still open, and, thank God, still decidedly conservative and skeptical.
Still, we need to give the left neither peace nor quarter. Interesting that those who are calling “BS” the loudest (cf Eastern Europe) are those who’ve had the misfortune of enduring the jackboot left…
A few months ago I wrote a letter-to-the-editor, about their Dem bias, and negative POTUS stories. They published it. BUT, what I didn’t realize was in their online edition, people could do responses – they were ugly. It was also when a friend pointed out how it endangers folks from our side. Letters aren’t published without one’s name – and then we’re in danger from the loonies.
Thank you for this. Indeed, she hasn’t passed the spidey sense/smell test with me, either. Dead/crazy eyes, too. Others have mentioned the eyes of these newly “elected” [inserted?] representatives [of whom or what?].
Not just the “newly elected”……
Adam Schitt-fer-Brains has those Bug eyes too.
At times…. Hitlery does too.
Absolutely! I was just focusing on the newly activated.
The Green Deal is a cr4p deal.
TRUMP’S Make America Great Again and Keep American Great is the REAL DEAL!!!
So is the New Green Deal their counter to MAGA? If so it’s lame. Makes me think of Kermit the Frog and it’s not easy being green.
Makes me think of SOYLENT GREEN.
….Its people after all 😉
It’s been my thought for a while that if she’d been parachuted in by the white hat’s she couldn’t have done a better job of spotlighting the crazy globalists ambitions.
That actually makes a lot of sense, sort of. There are many Democrats who are not socialists by any means.
My question, though, is why would the C_A want to destroy the Democrat Party?
Well there was that top that C_A lady was wearing at the SOTU, myself I thought it was a hint delivered with a sledgehammer and therefor a /s. Time will tell.
Possibly. It just…Soros dumped so much money in to the party and one of his people is the “brains” behind AOC, and then FBI Anon says she’s a C_A asset?
Something is not computing here.
So, are you saying AOC is “Deep State” (Dem, GOPe, etyc)……
Or “Deep State” (.mil, Q, etc)?
Are there Good and Bad “Deep States”?
Interesting perspective. While I trust the CIA as much as I do the DOJ, FBI (borderline zero, zip, nada)…not drinking CIA Kool-Aid is promoting or managing AOC.
Agree, AOC is a creation of some UnAmerican organization. Would suggest Soros and his ilk are in play. What little I know of DSA, is a fit.
I’m not smart enough to know how to figure it all out.
The world is full of useful educated idiots. AOC is worse than an “educated” idiot. AOC is some powerful UnAmerican organization’s useful idiot. AOC is so full of her own grandiose self, AOC has no clue her puppeteers are manipulating her. Nor, nary a clue how incoherent and illogical her thoughts are.
However, I am grateful for AOC’s naive willingness to promote the socialist D-Rat party for the lunatics they are. Hell bent on destroying America. Ideally, and I do believe Americans are waking up. And will stay awake and support President Trump.
In addition to AOC’s ignorant Green Plan (Agenda 21), blindly signed onto by so many D-Rats wannabe Presidents, it has been an amazingly great week…
– Fantastic SOTU.
– American economy rolls on…
– Infanticide exposed to daylight through the stupidity of D-Rat Governors in NY and VA.
– VA Tran ignorant legislation and testimony clearly supporting murdering a near full term fetus (my word, murdering a human).
– VA Governor and AG black face fiasco.
– VA LT Governor exposed (wrong word) behavior with Dr Tyson. Perhaps death of BS #MeToo. BS as it was applied selectively…politically.
– Senate Intelligence Chair (Burr?) finally admitting no collusion between Russia and President Trump / his Team.
– Little Adam Schitt pic with Fusion. Hope this blossoms into a disaster for D-Rats.
– Nitwit Nancy and her minions are apparently caving on funding the wall. That evil deceitful wench bares close watching.
G R E A T to be on the Trump Train!!!
From one Deep State underling to another:
“We need to slide the blackface, abortion, and rape scandals out of the news, pronto! This is very bad!”
“But xer! We’re saving our big false flag for the upcoming Supreme Court battle! What do we have left?”
“Let AOC troll them all day, then tell Bezos to go fix his blackmail Bproblem. That should buy us some time to figure out who else wore blackface in the ’80s.”
LOL! Sounds TRUE.
hah! That seems about right Sadie and AOC and the other one , Omar…they ARE in every tv screen and tweet all freakin day long. They never shut up and the pundits won’t stop talking about them.
It’s like they’re trying to distill Donald Trump into a formula into and apply it to the Democrats.
1) Make outrageous statement.
2) Media spends all day talking about outrageous statement.
3) Repeat the process every day.
4) Success?
It’s obvious that she’s there to provoke a reaction–any reaction. Best way to counter it is to stop reacting, stop giving her attention, and point out the programming.
Not sure if I remember accurately, but I seem to recall that Scott Adams gave her high marks for persuasion.
Dismiss her cautiously, like you would a rattlesnake …
“It’s obvious that she’s there to provoke a reaction–any reaction. Best way to counter it is to stop reacting, stop giving her attention, and point out the programming.”
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Sinema is the same thing, without the village idiot persona.
Oh she has a persona – boy howdy…
scott467 I do not pay attention to them. Cortez seems immature and brainwashed. She is a parrot repeating talking points.
Her personality seems convincing two things
1) she is a stupid tool for someone
2) she plays her part for a psychological reason.
Now I have to figure out what it is?
One only can play only so long until the the truth comes out.
She seems like a zealot for the cause. I have seen zealots before they are so pumped up there is no stopping them. What is pumping her up?
Just a possibility: $$$ ?
Perhaps, as someone suggested, a front for a more reasonable Dem to face off PDJT when the time comes?
Imagine the possible scenario.
AOC, possibly, sits happy.
Designated DNC challenger proceeds against the Republican incumbent, our VSG, seeking re-election.
While that is true, antics like AOC’s make for headlines that will get clicks, and it IS exposing the Democrats for what they are.
My question is, though, why would the handlers do that when so many of their assets are from that party.
Something else is going on.
Maybe they’re trying to push the Overton Window as far Left as possible?
Maybe it’s simply to counter President Trump’s method of disrupting the media? We know from Q that his Twitter account is used to disrupt the 4 am talking points. Maybe their way of countering is to give the media time instead to Ocasio-Cortez? The DNC probably doesn’t care too much about the public opinion hit because they’ll just rig what needs to be rigged next election.
Sadie Slays
“It’s like they’re trying to distill Donald Trump into a formula into and apply it to the Democrats.”
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POTUS is one of a kind and very unique unable to be cloned by democrats.
Big mistake if that is what they are trying to do.
They need to find their own person who is real not fake and a truth teller. I am sure there is someone among them but they do not see it because they are intent to copy the essence of a man who cannot be copied..
Now they are making fools of themselves.
Maybe Steve can go work for AOC.
OK just kidding but seriously, he needs to start being honest with himself. The real reason he had to go was all the praying and scripture quoting on this site. It’s like a hot pan – you can get burned if you get too close.
Had he looked for reasons to stay here he could have easily found them. Instead, he looked for a reason to leave. My pastor (RIP) told me many times that a person eventually gets what he looks for but that it might not be good for him.
As was said upthread, he’s welcome back but I don’t expect that is likely to happen. He needs to be right about his “no God” belief system and he can’t be right about it here.
I’m wondering how he could have been such a CTH devotee, considering that’s an equally Christian site.
In thinking about his post, one of the things that sticks in my mind was his need to emphasise his own intelligence. That was one of the first things he wrote about in that post. I wondered whether he thought — somewhat — that we weren’t worth his time. Again, I’m not sure how he could think that way about us and not CTH.
Oh, well.
I still hope he comes back (even though he probably won’t).
Do you or does anyone know what the link to his own blog is?
Here it is, Churchmouse:
https://letreasonreign.wordpress.com/
Thank you very much for the link, Wheatie. Greatly appreciated.
I have bookmarked for later reading.
Sorry to see it lasted only around a year and a half (Feb. 2012-July 2013).
I read all the time, rarely post. I agree with you church mouse, way too much me, me, me. And no replies allowed feels like “God doesn’t exist, I’m all I need, and now I’m going to take my ball and go home.” And push you folks around the chessboard one more time watching you scramble to reply. Sorry if I appear cold.
You don’t appear cold – you appear completely rational.
Keep in mind that prayer is a form of acknowledgement that God is superior to us. Ol’ Stevie cannot handle that – he must be at the top of his personal spiritual chain. Hence, our prayers (memorialized here) burn him so he must go away, as I posted at the top of this sub-thread. .
Thanks, pgroup. 😄
I agree, gingersmom.
It was surprisingly more about him than ideas, science or logic/reason (the last combo being the usual last refuge of atheists, which St Paul exposed in the Book of Acts when debating philosophers).
That said, he did answer a longstanding (nearly lifelong) question of mine about what a ‘mil’ was worth versus a penny.
churchmouse
“I’m wondering how he could have been such a CTH devotee, considering that’s an equally Christian site.
In thinking about his post, one of the things that sticks in my mind was his need to emphasise his own intelligence. That was one of the first things he wrote about in that post. I wondered whether he thought — somewhat — that we weren’t worth his time. Again, I’m not sure how he could think that way about us and not CTH.”
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One of my brothers and my youngest son are both self proclaimed atheists. Both are very intelligent both replaced God with their intelligence.
Funny my husband is very intelligent and my other two children are also and are not atheists.
My youngest always saw himself as outsider and so does my brother.
The irony is I am the true outsider but have a deep faith in God and admirer intelligent people. I am drawn to them even though I am not.
Steve reminds me of my son and my brother in a good way. Atheists do have a kind heart and yes they prove trough their intellect that they are right because they are very learned.
I think being so gifted can be a blessing and a curse.
Steve if you still lurk I wish you the best and thank you for sharing your story. You are a kind good person and will be missed by me not only your posts but also you as a person.
We’ll see. When/if he gets over his snit of sorts, it will be nice to have him around.
Everyone has to walk away from time to time and decide what to do about things that push their buttons. I respect that. It’s part of being an adult. So is getting over it.
I’ll just keep biting my tongue about “Professor Steve”
I enjoyed our exchanges. I’ll leave it there.
I too, enjoyed “most” of our exchanges.
AAG Whitaker on the hot seat tomorrow. I can’t wait to read the recap post and comments here (since I won’t waste my time watching it 😂)
Deplorable Patriot’s post today was excellent – Don’t miss it!
Democrats In White Forget That Phyllis Schlafly Was Right
https://wqth.wordpress.com/2019/02/07/democrats-in-white-forget-that-phyllis-schlafly-was-right/
From the SOTU, the leftist women were proudly wearing their ERA pins. Surprise surprise, they haven’t give up on the ERA!
I’m reposting this here because I think this is important for the treepers here to be informed. Phyllis Schlafly knew how to turn her concerns into ACTION.
Because outrage is NOT a Strategy!
We have a LOT to learn.
How Phyllis Schlafly profoundly changed America
She created the modern pro-family movement and was its greatest activist
Her book changed the Republican party
What most pro-family conservatives today probably don’t know
September 9 2016
This article is quite long and worth the read – but the part that struck me:
You see that? Unbelieveable organizer. Not some fly by night community organizer either.
DO YOU SEE IT? BOOM!!!
They RESCINDED their ratifications!
Can that strategy work today?
YES IT CAN!!!
ERA Ratification Status:
Red: Ratified
Orange: RESCINDED
Green: Ratified in one house of legislature
Blue: Not Ratified
States that have not ratified the amendment:
Per: https://www.cnn.com/2018/05/31/us/equal-rights-amendment-illinois-states-trnd/index.html
Consider the political crisis in Virginia. Could a vote in Virginia be revived…???
Schlafly was quite a woman, for sure.
Oddly, I noted one of the ‘women in white’ was wearing a button (not a flag pin) which said “ERA”.
Yes – that’s what triggered DP’s post too!
If the Dems take the Statehouse. The question that has not been addressed, is that an amendment has to be ratified within 10 years. That timetable has come and gone.
Some of this is showboating, and then some of this is the Dems seeing what they can get away with.
But technically, based on the criteria for inserting an Amendment into the Constitution, the 10 year period is over. Though that never stopped the Dems on other issues.
Exactly. It’s not about whether or not they are following the spirit of the process. It’s about what can they make stick and what can they get the courts to agree to.
Multiple states have RESCINDED their passage of the ERA. The left has to argue in court that a state cannot rescind. That will be hard but they’ve pulled rabbits out of their hat before.
I also pointed out that there is precedent for repealing an amendment.
Here’s the actual URL to the full article:
https://www.massresistance.org/docs/gen3/16c/phyllis-schlafly/index.html
This is your second chance to watch this. Come back to it if you can find the time. Promises you will get sucked into it. Her speech here is quite aspiring and runs through the whole anti ERA movement that she led as the under dog and still managed to win the fight.
That said we know the left took the fight in a different direction with different tactics (mostly through courts and judges) and have gained ground but the fight is not over and the same divide remains so then there’s nothing to say they won’t come back with this way once again to try to seal this.
A few notable deaths the past couple days. That rabbi thst did those feed the Jews in Russia commercials died. Also Bob Madsu the real estate guy on fox. Now John Dingle is dead. February is always a big month.
Well, that’s disappointing. Just as I’m able to start commenting a bit more again, Steve is gone …
I will miss him – always prepared to call it as he sees it. A great sceptic who would test ideas rigorously – just what any community needs to keep itself grounded / tethered.
Short, precise, rigorous actually, spare, but of sound substance, worthy of great intellects. Thank you for your comment/tribute to one whom many of us hope is listening.
TY Roberta. From your thoughts regarding Steve below, it would appear that we are kindred spirits.
I have been in what a certain generation used to the “head space” or of the mindset to think I had to convert everyone. I still respond too much in that vein, whether it be faith or politics. Unless I face unabashed evil, I find it less draining to try to love people and let God take care of the conversion.
Welcome back, Jason. It is good to see you again!
TY Tona, good to be in position to contribute again – I’ve missed exchanging ideas with this great bunch of diverse thinkers!
Steve, I wanted to leave a reply to your Fare Well but discovered that was not an option. So let me just say this here, for now – with the hope that you are still drawn to reading some of these comments.
First, I very much appreciate that you took the time to post a Fare Well to let us know you were leaving and why. Like it or not, there is an attachment that developes with each other on a blog like this – esp one of this size right now. Your loss was impactful to all of us, and that message was sent out to you loud and clear by several comments here. It helps to know that you cared enough to not leave us hanging.
As to the content of your Fare Well post, I would like to make a more lengthy response to that, but it’s pretty darned late, and typing on this tablet is too much of a challenge. Perhaps I can take that on in the morning.
Again, thank you.
Extreme Rottweiler Dog Attacks Film Crew – Dog Whisperer BIG CHUCK MCBRIDE
Oh good grief! We’ve got another one. Someone is indeed outing democrats.
https://twitter.com/JacobAWohl/status/1093577878258647040
I don’t think it was Cooper…I read that it was a different frat than Cooper but yes he was at that school.
adding..I read that this morning so…by now it may have been proven to be him and I’m too lazy to look it up!
Daily Mail says Gov. Cooper is NOT in those photos. He appears elsewhere in the yearbook:
https://twitter.com/f17Qg/status/1093635454824534018
Jacob Wohl isn’t the most reliable.
This is priceless.
This is what happens in a society that literally worships at the altar of political correctness and the altar of tort lawyers:
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“Chapel Hill condemned the photos on Wednesday. Vice Chancellor for Communications Joel Curran said in a statement: ‘The photos found in the 1979 student yearbook are abhorrent.”
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They condemned the photos (as if the photos had done anything wrong…), but not their own university who consciously put the photos into a Chapel Hill yearbook and published it.
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“We fully and wholly condemn both the photos and the racist behavior they depict.”
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Fully AND wholly? I guess that must mean they’re serious. They haven’t condemned HUMAN BABY SACRIFICE (infanticide) at all — that would be too controversial — but 40 year old photographs are a safe target for these hypocrites to bravely ‘condemn’.
The photos can’t sue Chapel Hill, and neither can the ‘behavior’, so they can safely be ‘condemned’ without fear. Brave, brave, brave statement by the Chapel Hill fat cats and their law dogs.
Notice who they DIDN’T condemn?
They didn’t condemn the University that was actually responsible for creating and perpetuating an environment where these activities were so common and widespread that they appeared in Chapel Hill University yearbooks of the time without raising the slightest concern or objection.
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“That kind of behavior has no place on our campus now or then.”
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Clearly that statement is revisionist and factually inaccurate.
Clearly and without credible dispute, that kind of behavior had a place on Chapel Hill campus then. It’s not like they were hiding it back then, it was published in the Chapel Hill University YEARBOOK, lol!
When you go after mediocrity and bull, it doesn’t just leave a mark – it leaves internal injuries. And I clap enthusiastically.
LOL!
I think that might be a compliment! 😁
If we ever need a skeptical hippo for a post, I found one lol.
When a cat just wont do. …..Oh well.
LOL…love this reasoning…and the Dems do tell some whoppers!!! so I suspect the hippo will be getting a workout!
LOL!
LOVE IT!!!
Excellent…lets ditch the cat, that’s a hold over from the OT
LONG LIVE SKEPTICAL HIPPO!
Thank you Rand Paul….. (please make it happen)
The Senate should investigate FBI methods and selective prosecution of Trump officials. TIME FOR HEARINGS!
I was so disappointed that there was no way to reply to Steve’s piece. So thank you, Wolf, for providing somewhat of a venue for response.
As expanded in “Fare Well,” I was one of those who very much appreciated what Steve has described as “deficits” in the views of many of those on this tree. Especially his words on words.
If you are listening/reading, Steve, please reconsider. Your voice is needed. Your balance is needed. Your precision is needed. And shame on those who made you feel you did not belong. Rough edges may take a long time to smoothen.
I hope he is reading this evening and tomorrow and beyond. Much of what Steve wrote tonight resonates profoundly with me…and I am a Catholic and I am a believer and I am steeped in liberal arts philosophy, science, epistemology, language, literature, and Catholic education …none at his deep level, but I am familiar with the languages. And I don’t feel comfortable or belonging and have never been a joiner…even amongst what are supposed to be my people.
I will share this (HT The St Thomas Aquinas Book Club) with you all…perhaps you might fill in your own word for the last, for by no means do I believe these exclusive to one identity:
When I protest abortion, people say I am a Republican;
When I protest unjust wars, people say I am a Democrat;
When I say there should be limited, local government, people say I am an anarchist;
When I say we should help the poor, people say I am a Socialist.
I am none of these.
I am a Catholic.
The word catholic derives from the Greek language and means universal….
We are communicating ‘online’ … on the worldwide web …
The Hopi speak of Spider Woman/grandmother who conscientiously weaving her webs, thought the world itself into existence.
Yes, words do have meaning… logically AND psychilly …
And words EVOLVE… they change.
The word awful once meant “full of awe” …
From its use in reference to God the word came to mean “reverential or respectful fear.” … Originally, awful and awesome were synonymous, but by the early 19th century, awful absorbed the negative aspects of the emotion and the word was used to mean frightful or exceedingly bad.
Some of us know the meaning of the word ‘etymology’… and some of us understand also the word ‘epistemology’ …
Words are virtually labels. Some synonyms: term, name, expression, designation, locution; turn of phrase, idiom. Words are used to facilitate communication…
for the hearing… for others, signing is used…
And sometimes, words are not even necessary…
Love does not require words… it is unconditional.
Love, regard, respect… can withstand disagreement, which more often than not is a failure to ‘hear’ the other
person… to focus more on the spoken word, rather than what is being communicated.
Roberta: “I am a Catholic.”
phoenixRising: “The word catholic derives from the Greek language and means universal….”
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Indeed, and I never understand this.
Even and especially when the subject under consideration is the accuracy and meaning of words.
Was ‘Catholic’ (‘universal’) crucified for us? Were we baptized in the name of ‘Universal’ (‘Catholic’)?
It is only a variation on an ancient question.
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“Is Christ divided? was Paul crucified for you? or were ye baptized in the name of Paul?” (1 Corinthians 1:13)
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I am a Christian, flawed as I clearly am.
It is Jesus Christ Who was crucified for me, not ‘Catholic’. I was baptized in the name of Jesus Christ, not in the name of ‘Universal’.
In the Word of God, are the disciples and believers in Christ called ‘Catholics’, or Christians?
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“And when he had found him, he brought him unto Antioch. And it came to pass, that a whole year they assembled themselves with the church, and taught much people. And the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch.” (Acts 11:26, KJV, boldface emphasis mine, cf. Acts 26:28, 1 Peter 4:16)
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If Jesus Christ was crucified for me, if I was baptized in the name of Jesus Christ, if it is Jesus Christ who saved me, and if the inspired Word of God (cf. 2 Timothy 3:16) plainly says that the disciples of Christ are called Christians — then how can I self-identify as anything other than a Christian?
And how can anyone else who confesses Christ is Lord and Savior?
Please understand that I am not attacking anyone’s faith, I am pleading for logic and reason, that there could be unity in the body (i.e., the church) of Christ, that our faith might be true and acceptable to God.
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“And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.” (Col 1:18, boldface emphasis mine)
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“For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body.” (Ephesians 5:23)
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“For as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body: so also is Christ. [13] For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.” (1 Cor 12:12-13)
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“Now I beseech you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you; but that ye be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment.” (1 Cor 1:10)
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“But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him. [24] God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.” (John 4:23-24)
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“Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:” (Ephesians 4:13)
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“Endeavouring to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace. [4] There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling; [5] One Lord, one faith, one baptism, [6] One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.” (Ephesians 4:3-6)
edit / correction: “…deeply flawed as I clearly am.”
My reply to phoenix also applies to your comment. 🙂
Just a note, that the pillars of what some call the historic churches (Orthodox & Catholic [both Eastern – Byzantine- and Western – Roman rites] are Holy Tradition and Holy Scripture. The Orthodox are especially eloquent on the relationship between these pillars. St John Paul II referred to the Roman and Eastern rites as the two lungs of the church. I do not present these facts as a persuasive argument. I have friends who desperately want to become Roman Catholics…but have not yet gained an acceptance of Holy Tradition.
Thomas Howard, raised in a prominent Evangelical family (brother of Elizabeth Elliot), wrote that in the end, when asked why he chose the Canterbury (and eventually the Roman) rather than the Constantinople Road, that it was quite simply that he was a western Christian.
Howard is always a joy to read, whether or not you are convinced by his arguments. In Evangelical Is Not Enough he presents his journey to Canterbury. He wrote later of what he considers the completion of that journey, in My Journey to Rome
Highly recommended. A great scholar and writer in the Christian Tradition, standing, I believe, with Lewis, Chesterton, Newman, Knox, St. Augustine, Eliot, Charles Williams, Tolkien…..
phoenix…..
I agree and appreciate your sincere personal beliefs…..
I have my own as well.
We are “called” by our Lord and Savior Jesus the Christ to TESTIFY…
about what God has done to/with/for “us”…..
We are NOT to condemn or judge incorrectly, others.
I really like those that back up their beliefs with “Scripture”.
There is nothing “wrong” with agreeing to disagree.
I have Deep issues with those that think: “My way or the Highway”
NO PERSON has ALL of the answers and should be open to correction.
Just my 2 cents (can’t post the coins) 🙂
Very well “said.” Thank you.
One should not grovel before anybody, let alone an egomaniac. Humans should stand upright, not on their knees (God commanded various people to stand and face Him in the Old Covenant).
Steve will enjoy his atheist views until a life circumstance happens to him that his atheism cannot help. And I’m not deprived by his absence – I’m relieved we don’t have to have proxy wars allegedly of words but actually of beliefs.
In your first sentence, who is groveling, and before whom, please?
I just can’t get on board with a Big Bang theory. There is just too much intelligent design in this universe, on this planet, in nature, and especially the human body that could not possibly be the result of a chaotic explosion. The more I read the Bible and the more discoveries that are being made, both archaeological, and the body/mind/brain “Word” connection, the more truth bears out. All these things just supply more evidence that makes my faith stronger. Couple that with all the prophecies about Israel and Jesus that have been fulfilled, nothing else makes sense to me. Then add answered prayer, wisdom, discernment, and guidance received when asked for…the Spirit connection is undeniable. I have a deep revelation of The Power of The Word and Confession. God “spoke” the world into existence. Jesus gave us the authority to speak, declare, confess, what will be, either positive or negative. With our words, we either put the Angels or the demons to flight to carry out our instructions.
“In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made. In Him was life, and the life was the light of men. And the light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not comprehend it.” John 1:1-5 NKJV. “And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth.” John 1:14 NKJV
I pray that a dependable, dedicated, baptized Believer crosses Mr. Steve’s path, and that his heart is softened to hear, feel, and accept the loving tug of the Holy Spirit. God is not willing that one should perish. God Bless Mr. Steve. In the meantime, I say we need MOAR Revival!! I am thankful and grateful for this treehouse. 🦋🦋🦋
Jesus Girl!!! I have been looking for you and hoping and praying you would be here; for the rally in El Paso especially!!
Bless you Miss Jan😍 So looking forward to Monday’s rally, Been having withdrawals and desperately need my PORUS fix!! LOL
😍🚀🚀🚀🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸!!
“a Big Bang theory”
It’s only how physicists try to describe the beginning of the *physical* universe. I recall seeing a YT video from a guy from CERN, or some-such vaunted institution, titled with click-bait (“Einstein wrong?”), and it ended with this arrogant tool saying “Remember – physics is everything!”
Physics ISN’T everything … except to physicists!
And, their physics is inadequate to the task of explaining the Big Bang and black holes (they call them “singularities”, meaning their physics breaks down). Also, physicists haven’t found the origin of life, haven’t figured out “space” (empty – or full?), and they haven’t found their “holy grail”, the Theory-of-Everything.
What I’ve found is that the more one “knows”, the more one ought to be aware of how much one *doesn’t* know. Many scientists fail in this regard, though there are some who get it.
For millennia, we humans have believed in a higher power. It’s pretty simple, actually: I know that *I* didn’t create the universe, and yet here it is and here we are. It’s a very short leap (of faith) to realize that the universe was created, and created BY God.
As smart as Stephen Hawking was, on his own ground, he was a MORAN (Anons’ spelling!) when it comes to theology. It takes as much belief (actually DISbelief) to be an atheist as it takes belief to be a theist. I think that far too many “atheists” misinterpret – willfully – what theism is, and what Christianity is all about.
I also hope that Steve finds peace, wherever it may be for him.
I get a kick out of it every time I hear the term Big Bang Theory – especially when applied to anti-creation discussions.
I, for one, rather imagine that, when God said, “Let there be light!”, there was one heck of a “Big Bang” that resonated through the universe!!!
Actually, God made the Heavens AND the Earth well before he said “Let there be light”..
Genesis 1
In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.
2 The earth was formless and void, and darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was moving over the surface of the waters.
3 Then God said, “Let there be light”; and there was light.
Much discussion can be found in just these 3 verses that we may discuss at a later time.
(These discussions are jibberish to an “unbeliever”)…. so be it
“Genesis 1”
The first two sentences, as I remember them to be, are:
“In the beginning, there was nothing.”
“And God said, “Let there be light.””
I don’t remember which Bible I read this in – but it was from the library, and likely was the KJV iteration. It certainly seemed authoritative, and was quite a large tome …
Does my memory here serve?
I quoted the verses
Genesis 1
In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.
2 The earth was formless and void, and darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was moving over the surface of the waters.
3 Then God said, “Let there be light”; and there was light.
butterfly!! MOAR Revival!!! The only path to a REAL change in Culture !!!! Yeppers!!
I’m glad your exclamation points are BACK!!!
Yippie!!! hahaha
Of Course ES!!!!!!! MOAR EXCLAMATION POINTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! hugs!😘
Steve,
http://memecrunch.com/meme/1S41I/your-goodbye-is-severely-lacking-puns/image.jpg
Thank you Steve for your explanation.
‘Manners Maketh The Man’
Dems press for PDJT’s tax returns — again:
https://dailycaller.com/2019/02/07/trump-tax-returns-ways-and-means/
‘House Democrats pushed legislation during a hearing Thursday that would require presidents and presidential candidates to release tax returns in order to get President Donald Trump’s tax returns.’
this is beyond the pale…there are privacy laws. How many Dems could survive an intimate look into their returns and campaign financing? they want transparency but refuse to provide an equal transparency into themselves…shocking
Fully agree.
And, as PDJT himself said, most people wouldn’t understand them, anyway: too complicated.
The Dems, including the media, are egregious.
This is SO ridiculous!
1) Legislation requires the President’s signature. Good luck with that one!
2) To whom will it apply? If they apply it only to President Trump’s then they might as well stamp “witch Hunt” on every page. If they make it retroactive, what good does that do? Just makes a lot of work for people ( though it would be good to see some of those past returns!) And, if they apply it to the future, I imagine there will be some pretty ticked off Dims going forward.
At what point will Americans wake up to the fact that the only real agenda the Dim House has is to work on ways to destroy President Trump? Forget about working on anything for the good of this country.
Agree 120% — 10% more than usual!! 🙂
What about the Dems? I’d love to see Pelosi’s and Feinstein’s tax returns. They’re probably already ahead of the game, though.
I couldn’t agree more with your last paragraph. If PDJT said the sun was shining, the Dems would initiate legislation for cloudy days 365/365, then they would probably complain about climate change preventing almonds from growing in California and tomatoes elsewhere throughout the US. Conclusion there: there must be a LAW for sunny days.
It sounds illogical enough to be possible.
National Prayer Breakfast attendee appears on Tucker’s show:
https://dailycaller.com/2019/02/07/eric-metaxas-national-prayer-breakfast/
‘Christian author Eric Metaxas joined Fox News host Tucker Carlson on Thursday to discuss the significance of faith and prayer in American life.
‘The “Donald Drains the Swamp” author had attended the National Prayer Breakfast that morning, and began his answer to Tucker’s question about the “significance of prayer” by wondering “how anybody can survive” without it.
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‘“There are many people—usually very competent, intelligent people—who are tempted to think they’re in charge,” he said. “You’re not in charge. You can be hit by a bus or a meteor. Things happen. If you have children, you get humbled by that. If you try to have a good marriage, it’s humbling. We need to live there. We need to understand that without God and His guidance, we can’t love people the way we’re supposed to love people. We cannot be the people we’re supposed to be. And I think that’s very hard for the most powerful among us.”’
cm— Beautiful!! Thank you!! #beingthepeoplewe’resupposedtobe!!
You’re welcome, Marica!
The US, thanks to PDJT, is on the **cusp** of a ***moral*** turnaround.
The Dems are revealing themselves as being MORALLY DERELICT (a great British turn of phrase, duly capitalised to commit to memory 🙂 ).
Twitter suspended @POTUS_Schedule
Here is their last tweet – advertising the Trump Rally in El Paso.
H8 Twtr and FB
According to someone on Twitter, POTUS_Schedule was not a WH account:
Interesting, because I always thought it was official.
Look where we are supposed to go now — to some left-wing presidential calendar page. I say left-wing because there is a golfing image with ‘169 days’ next to it (awful):
https://factba.se/topic/calendar
I knew Potus_Schedule wasn’t official.
Neither is @POTUS_Press, but they are/were both good news resources.
I do NOT want to depend on the MSM for Trump news!
Nor do I.
This account just joined Twitter: @POTUS_Schedule2
I’ll keep checking – maybe they are the same person/group.
Thank you, GA/FL — much appreciated.
Have bookmarked.
I am glad they made the description more truthful:
‘Officially not the White House or anyone in the White House.’
The factba.se/topic/calendar also links to Axios. No thanks.
The Daily Caller is selling a limited number of ‘Choose Greatness’ tee shirts (both long and short sleeve):
https://dailycaller.com/2019/02/07/will-you-choose-greatness/
Senate Intel committee finds no evidence of collusion:
https://dailycaller.com/2019/02/07/richard-burr-no-evidence-collusion-trump/
‘Senate Intel Chairman: ‘We Don’t Have Anything That Would Suggest There Was Collusion’
‘After more than two years of investigation, the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence has not found evidence of collusion between the Trump campaign and the Russian government, the committee’s Republican chairman said in interview.
‘“If we write a report based upon the facts that we have, then we don’t have anything that would suggest there was collusion by the Trump campaign and Russia,” North Carolina Sen. Richard Burr told CBS News.
‘“If I can finish tomorrow, I would finish tomorrow,” said Burr, adding, “We know we’re getting to the bottom of the barrel because there’re not new questions that we’re searching for answers to.”
‘The Senate panel has conducted more than 200 witness interviews and reviewed hundreds of thousands of documents as part of an investigation into Russian meddling in the 2016 election. The investigation, which has focused heavily on the collusion question, began in January 2017, alongside a parallel probe run out of the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence…’
Witch Hunt!
Exactly!
Ditto — probably — with Bibi Netanyatu.
This is a Soviet Russian tactic……
Which person (Trump) do you want me to FIND a CRIME for?
Bassackwards!….. Have the CRIME 1st….. then find out WHO dunnit
‘Soviet Russian tactic……’ Agree. I’ll add nothing more in polite company.
‘Have the CRIME 1st….. then find out WHO dunnit’: Yes, that is how the Constitution works, but not according to the new Left’s justice models based on Lavrentiy Beria’s. /:
Beria must be spinning around in his grave laughing at the US.
Tragic, in terms of American justice.
‘Roe v. Wade’ film maker says men should be involved in abortion conversation:
https://dailycaller.com/2019/02/07/nick-loeb-explains-abortion-men/
‘Filmmaker Nick Loeb, who’s the co-director of the new movie “Roe v. Wade,” shared some personal stories with The Daily Caller, including one about abortion.
‘“An ex-girlfriend of mine had an abortion. It had a traumatic effect on me, this is one of the reasons why I’m pro-life now,” said Loeb.
‘Loeb, who gained notoriety after fighting with ex-fiancé and “Modern Family” star Sofia Vergara over frozen embryos, says he wants “people to know the truth about Roe v. Wade.”
‘“I would like to see Roe v. Wade overturned. I think my movie will change minds on abortion,” said Loeb.
‘The cast includes famous Hollywood actors Jon Voight, Stacey Dash, Corbin Bernsen, John Schneider, Robert Davi and a few other recognizable faces.
‘The movie is set to hit theaters in the fall of 2019.’
‘Jerome Corsi Files $25 Million Defamation Lawsuit Against Roger Stone’
https://dailycaller.com/2019/02/08/jerome-corsi-roger-stone-lawsuit/
‘Right-wing author Jerome Corsi filed a $25 million defamation lawsuit against Roger Stone on Thursday, accusing the longtime Trump confidant of attempting to give him a heart attack to prevent him from testifying in the special counsel’s case.
‘“Defendant Stone’s intentional infliction of emotional distress and coercion and threats are intended to try even cause [sic] Plaintiff Corsi to have heart attacks and strokes, in order that Plaintiff will be unable to testify at Stone’s criminal trial,” Corsi claims in the suit, which was filed by his attorney, Larry Klayman.
‘The lawsuit accuses Stone of mounting a “public relations campaign” to “smear, intimidate and threaten” Corsi, who is best known as the leading proponent of the anti-Obama “birther” conspiracy theory…’
“‘“Defendant Stone’s intentional infliction of emotional distress and coercion and threats are intended to try even cause [sic] Plaintiff Corsi to have heart attacks and strokes, in order that Plaintiff will be unable to testify at Stone’s criminal trial,” Corsi claims in the suit, which was filed by his attorney, Larry Klayman.”
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It’s hard to read that without envisioning Jerome Corsi giggling uncontrollably 😁
He’s no delicate flower who might keel over and expire just because Roger Stone said something to or about him.
Exactly.
I do not know the dynamics of their relationship–if this is laughable, what’s the purpose?
“I do not know the dynamics of their relationship–if this is laughable, what’s the purpose?”
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I don’t know the dynamics of their relationship, they’re just two old warhorses who have been at these games (public life and politics) long enough that their skin is plenty thick by now.
So to suggest that Corsi is actually in fear of death by heart attack or stroke by something Roger Stone said is (to me) hilarious, and I can only imagine how hilarious it must have seemed to Jerome Corsi when he read his lawyer’s statement.
As for purpose, who knows?
We don’t even know for sure who the white hats are — if there are any!
The powers that be have decided to leave We the People entirely out of the equation. We’re just supposed to shut up and watch from the gallery.
Sounds like more theater from the peanut gallery.
Gee, that would be an incredibly difficult case to prove.
Is gaslighting illegal?
Indeed!
Corsi and Klayman are on a losing wicket there. I’m surprised at Klayman.
such sadness after reading Steve’s fare well post.
I enjoyed reading your wonderful scientific explanations–although many were far past my understanding. I will miss those and your quick wit. Come back and visit us soon Mr. Science.
Would you please post a link – I’ve been out a lot due to family stuff and missed it.
Never mind – I found it. I’ll respond (as a former atheist/agnostic) after I have given it some time, thought and prayer.
More censorship:
1/ From the Gateway Pundit:
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2019/02/tech-terror-twitter-bans-natural-news-accounts-laura-loomer-banned-by-paypal-covington-child-abusers-still-have-accounts/
‘TECH TYRANNY: Twitter Bans Natural News Accounts, Laura Loomer Banned by Paypal — Covington Child Abusers Still Have Accounts
‘The Republican Party, conservative leaders are AWOL on this issue as the tech giants continue to ban, deplatform and demonetize conservative voices.
‘Conservative activist Laura Loomer was already banned from Twitter months ago. Laura attacked Rep. Ilhan Omar with her own record and beliefs.
‘A CAIR activist was behind the silencing of Laura Loomer.
‘This week Laura Loomer was banned by PayPal.
‘Now she cannot make a living.
‘Democrats are now going after commerce and and incomes …
‘On Thursday Twitter also banned all Natural News and Health Ranger channels after founder Mike Adams commented on an alleged Jack Dorsey Bitcoin fraud …’
2/ From Natural News:
https://www.naturalnews.com/2019-02-07-twitter-blocks-all-natural-news-health-ranger-channels-joe-rogan-jack-dorsey-bitcoin.html
‘Mere hours after I appeared on the Alex Jones Show yesterday to reveal the truth about Jack Dorsey’s criminal fronting for Bitcoin and deep state money laundering, Twitter suspended all Health Ranger / Natural News accounts without explanation, simultaneously, mere hours after my appearance on Alex’s show.
‘Importantly, the Health Ranger Twitter account (twitter.com/healthranger) tweets news stories that are more than 95% focused on health, nutrition, medicine, food science and similar topics. There is absolutely nothing in the HealthRanger twitter feed that could justify being banned by Twitter. It’s clear this censorship order came from the top and was initiated to punish me for appearing on the Alex Jones Show …’
From Feb. 7:
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2019/02/democrats-block-bill-to-protect-babies-that-survive-abortion-attempts-and-are-born-alive/
‘Democrats Block Bill to Protect Babies Who Survive Abortion Attempts and Are Born Alive
‘House Democrats have blocked the Born Alive Abortion Survivors Protection Act for a second time …
‘”The legislation was introduced by Representative Ann Wagner and cosponsored by House Republican Whip Steve Scalise “to ensure any infant born alive after an abortion receives the same protection of law as any newborn: mandating care and instituting penalties for doctors who allow such infants to die or who intentionally kill a newborn.”
‘“I have been horrified to watch radical Democratic legislators argue that babies who survive abortions should not be given the same level of medical care that all other newborn babies receive.” said Rep. Wagner in a statement … ‘
Then every Democrat Representative should be labeled “Nazis” and/or “Stalinists.” That’s what they are.
Take control of the language.
John Solomon’s news simplified.
I posted the link to his article yesterday. The Gateway Pundit distilled the big points (link to Solomon’s article in the text):
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2019/02/john-solomon-adam-schiff-and-glenn-simpson-had-undisclosed-meeting-last-year-raising-concern-inside-house-intel-committee/
‘JOHN SOLOMON: Adam Schiff and Glenn Simpson Held UNDISCLOSED MEETING Last Year, Raising Concern Inside House Intel Committee
‘The new Chairman of the House Intel Committee, Rep. Adam Schiff (D-CA) had an undisclosed meeting with Fusion GPS co-founder Glenn Simpson last July at a security conference in Aspen.
‘In other words, Congressman Adam Schiff was colluding with Russia-dossier-Hillary Clinton-waterboy Glenn Simpson at the height of the Russiagate cover-up.
‘Award winning investigative journalist John Solomon reported that there are photographs of Adam Schiff, in sport coat and open-neck dress shirt, and Glenn Simpson, wearing casual attire …
‘Schiff, who is leading the massive investigation into President Trump’s finances and personal life, and Simpson, one of the key figures who helped Hillary push her phony Russia dossier to the DOJ and FBI both insisted to John Solomon that they only met briefly last summer …’
Interesting that John Solomon’s twitter account @jsolomonReports is not allowed a blue check mark.
IKR?
Earthquake at our house. Husband has his hands on a meme maker.
Dear Lord, please grant me patience.
Man – if that photo of the hunk in the sunset/sunrise is our beloved Count Steve….WOW – eye candy for sure!!!
Looks like he gets up in the morning, drinks mineral water, runs lots of miles, does calisthenics and has a kale, spinach, arugula smoothie with whey, chia, flax seed, and other stuff I can’t pronounce or spell – all before 7 am!
IKR?
PS – That was not my serious, thoughtful response to our dear Steve. It’s just being an out-spoken old lady and artist appreciating a well developed, youthful, masculine physique.
i think Steve chose that exact photo as a good bye gift to all the ladies here. He was a thoughtful guy and was mindful of the way the ladies here “appreciated” Zincke…and this is exactly how i will think of him.
You may be right. ;8->
If I were a Dem……
I’d be screaming about being a “Piece of meat” right about now…….
Glad to see that the “Ladies” appreciate the Human body as much as the “Men” do 🙂
Heh. I almost have the vapors now when I see Congressman Crenshaw. And I never knew pirate fantasies could be appealing.
HA!!!
Wolf….. I realize that this is off the current topic…….
I just want to THANK YOU once again for this site…..
Although it is the “Q” Tree……
Q has been pretty quiet lately…
Yet…. this site rolls on down the tracks.
Many Thoughtful and Knowledgeable commenters are here….
and YOU should be PROUD.
lol!…..I knew! … I KNEW …
That Women were HUMAN too 🙂
I mean…..At least NORMAL “Women” are……….
Brandon Straka news —
1/ On Dems:
2/ On his upcoming award:
3/ On AOC:
I really do hope he runs against AOC. She will lose hugely, even with vote fraud.
I hope also he comes to wisdom and truth about the ‘gay’ lifestyle before he runs for office.
I’m willing to give the man some time on that one.
What do you care? Are you one of those nosy neighbor-types who gossip about what other people do within their homes? Do you think that your morals are perfect and should be forced upon others?
So, your opinion on the “gay lifestyle” is truth? Aren’t you a little precocious now…?
And, those who practice this “gay lifestyle” aren’t wise, eh?
Doesn’t the Bible say something about not judging others? Or, are you GA/FL exempt from this?
For the record, I’m not gay. But you religious types that flaunt your beliefs and righteousness as the “truth” need to be kicked once in a while. Is this why Steve left this site?
It’s not certainly not love to approve of what God, science, CDC, police, research statistics show are high risk, dangerous lifestyle and activities. You are throwing ugly aspersions and assumptions about me that I do not have.
I’ll ask again in simpler terms:
1. Do you believe that your views on homosexuality represent a “truth”?
2. Do you believe that homosexuals need to wisen up?
It’s a dangerous lifestyle. I have read CDC reports.
Not only are STDs individually elevated 40-150% among this population – the health issue has become syndemic (concurrent multiple STDs) Syndemic – definition – when several diseases occur at once and the multiple symptoms complicate, make the patient’s case many times worse, even prevent some kinds of treatment.
When there are other diseases present, treating one disease may exacerbate the symptoms or progression of the other disease/s.
https://daleoleary.wordpress.com/2016/06/25/the-history-of-the-syndemic-of-aids/
The fact is – what people believe about LBGT being ‘alternate’ ‘orientations’ is a product of propaganda. It just isn’t true. Same sex attraction is a symptom of a problem and it is a disorientation….a sign that something is wrong.
Not only are STDs elevated in this population, so are injuries, bowel syndromes due to s3x acts, cancers, meningitis, addictions, violence, mental health issues, murders, suicides and early death.
To clarify – I didn’t literally watch, but observed the misfortunes and attacks on people I knew engaged in the homosexual lifestyle. You knew that – but just wanted to argue and attack me.
There is no scripture in the Bible that affirms or approves homosexual acts. The GOD who is LOVE would not approve acts/lifestyles/identities that result in suffering and death.
The seven laws of Noah preceded the Ten Commandments and Leviticus by centuries – and were very specific about sexual sin/prohibitions.
The seven Noachide Laws, as traditionally enumerated are:
1 Do Not Deny God
2 Do Not Blaspheme God
3 Do Not Murder
4 Do Not Engage in Incestuous, Adulterous or Homosexual Relationships.
5 Do Not Steal
6 Do Not Eat of a Live Animal
7 Establish Courts/Legal System to Ensure Law Obedience
By the time of Moses, the Israelites already understood that ‘adultery’ was any act or relationship that crossed the line of these Noah laws.
LINKS:
https://www.simpletoremember.com/articles/a/seven-laws-of-noah/
https://www.auburn.edu/~allenkc/noahide.html
‘Orientation’ ‘sexual identity’ ‘gender identity’ ‘gay’ ‘straight’ and all the new alphabet of identities are hypothetical constructs – propaganda concepts invented by the LBGT activist lobby to promote their agenda. They used empirically proven psychological educational techniques over decades until people believe their lies. Same with Freud’s invented hypothetical terms – ego, id, super-ego, etc.
Over time they become part of the universal consciousness, standard belief.
But the problem is – it’s not true.
Romans 1:16-32 reveals the step by step process of the origin of sexual disorientation and same-sex attraction, beginning with rejecting the truth of nature, and the worship of GOD the creator.
Through the years, I have watched in horror as friends, neighbors engaging in homosexuality were beaten and murdered, died of AIDS. One professor said, after fielding a hotline for years, that gay was definitely the opposite of the word for that population.
You’ve watched in horror as friends and neighbors who were engaging in homosexuality were beaten and murdered? And, your conclusion is that they should stop being gay? Am I reading you correctly here?
My conclusion is that those who are doing the beatings and murdering should stop their actions.
We apparently differ here.
I am not sure how to even respond to your comment about what a professor once said. I am not even sure what your point was. People say the darndest things. Even professors.
GA/FL isn’t actually nosy on the topic. She simply believes what she believes, and has suffered for it repeatedly. She been told to shut up over and over, then kicked out of CTH for believing what was once commonplace. But it’s an important issue for her, and she would rather be banned than shut up. She is actually a very useful test point in my configuration of this site. I have to ban myself before I ban her.
I happen to disagree on the topic of gay marriage per se, but she and I agree on a lot of damage by the forcing of the LGBT agenda on humanity without any right to push back or question it. The issue of parental rights in regard to “experts” changing the gender of our kids or determining that they are “gay” would be where she and I are in total agreement.
But most of all, I believe in her right to speak her mind. The idea of “defend to the death your right to say it” has few adherents left, and those of us who provide such refuge are targeted by the communists and their useful fronts, including our current DOJ. Sad state of things.
Wolfmoon, I agree with everything you wrote.
To be clear, I didn’t tell anyone to shut up, nor would I want anyone to be banned.
I clearly have no issues with the LGBT community or it’s right to exist and marry. I agree with you that the LGBT agenda has been pushed to the point of damage, etc.
I agree with your last paragraph for sure. 1st amendment, in my opinion, is worth dying for.
What I disagreed with, and have a right to say as well, is GA/FL’s righteous statement of “truth” in how someone else should live their life. In no way was I trying to muffle GA/FL, not was I making any comment in the impact of the LGBT agenda (YOU took it there).
I am a conservative libertarian. Atheist, too, FWIW, considering Steve’s exit… Let others live their life as they wish, as long as it doesn’t interfere with others rights to pursue their happiness.
Branden Straka has a right to pursue happiness. And if his happiness means living a gay lifestyle (even if it is a high risk lifestyle, GA/FL!!!!!), it’s his unalienable right, according to our Constitution. And just like you wrote that you would stand up for someone else’s right to speak, even if it contradicts your opinion, I stand up for someone else’s right to pursue happiness even if it’s a lifestyle I don’t belong to.
If this site becomes too religious and features comments that vilify others simply for whom they love, it will just be another blog on the trash heap, IMO.
Thanks!
I think it may be possible to have many interesting and enlightening discussions on this topic. 😎
Whoa! Where is all this incivility coming from today? This is the first time I’ve seen it to such an extent on this site. Can’t we disagree without accusations? Don’t we get enough of that from leftists? Do we have to bring it here, too?
So let me get this right:
When GA/FL makes a homophobic comment regarding another individual stating that s/he hopes this gay man “wisens” up to the “truth” before running for office, everyone here on this board is a-ok.
But, when I point out that perhaps GA/FL’s opinion is not a “truth” and that perhaps being a homosexual has nothing to do with a person’s “wisdom”, not only does Wolfmoon come to GA/FL’s rescue, but now I am being “uncivil”.
Sorry if that ruffles your feathers. I’ll pray for you.
You are obviously not acquainted with GA/FL. She has long espoused her belief system and explained why.
Free speech is valued here.
Personally, I value respectful dialogue as well. But that’s me.
Great post, churchmouse.
I hope he runs.
Me, too. That would be one race to follow. 🙂
Interesting…so these FISA cases–spying on US citizens– are not unusual cases–they get as many as 20 A DAY and the procedure is NOT a long thoroughly vetting one…mostly just sign-offs on lower level employees’ say so…
https://www.theepochtimes.com/senior-fbi-lawyer-did-not-read-carter-page-fisa-before-signing-off-on-it_2793879.html
Thanks, Pat, for the link.
I hope everyone takes time to read the article. Mindblowing.
sometimes they work, sometimes they don’t…I always appreciate you providing links when they don’t! (so thanks!)
You’re most welcome.
Jeffrey Peterson’s latest thread. He’s the ex-Dem who used to live in Arizona:
For convenience and ease of reading, here is the unrolled thread:
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1093707372705411072.html
Thank you!
WHOA, Wolfmoon!
Excellent.
PDJT promoted sanctity of human life and highlighted religious persecution at National Prayer Breakfast:
https://www.theepochtimes.com/trump-defends-sanctity-of-human-life-at-national-prayer-breakfast_2793911.html
‘Trump Defends Sanctity of Human Life at National Prayer Breakfast
‘President Donald Trump pledged to protect religious liberty and freedom of faith during the National Prayer Breakfast in Washington as he defended for the second time this week the sanctity of all human life—including the unborn.
‘Speaking to religious leaders at the 67th annual National Prayer Breakfast on Feb. 7, Trump told the audience that he will safeguard faith-based adoption centers and reiterated his pro-life stance.
‘“As part of our commitment to building a just and loving society, we must build a culture that cherishes the dignity and sanctity of innocent human life,” he said …
‘He said his administration is also speaking out against “religious persecution around the world, including against religious minorities, Christians, and the Jewish community.”
‘Elon Carr, a new special envoy to monitor and combat anti-Semitism, was appointed this week by Trump. Carr left on Feb. 5 to attend two conferences on anti-Semitism in for Belgium and Slovakia.’
Sinclair Broadcasting Group releases FBI raid footage from Roger Stone’s home surveillance cameras (vid at link):
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2019/02/video-roger-stone-arrest-caught-on-camera/
Saw that yesterday at work. Did you notice he actually did have that T shirt on. Outstanding! 🙂
Agree. It is a great riposte.
On a darker note, I think he had been quietly waiting night after night for that over many months. (Talk about stressful.)
Has to agree. Sad that part.
go get ’em, Sir!!!
Now we find out that Adam Schiff was spending time together in Aspen with Glenn Simpson of GPS Fusion, who wrote the fake and discredited Dossier, even though Simpson was testifying before Schiff. John Solomon of @thehill
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) February 8, 2019
Also on that thread….
https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1093867849372889088
Excellent!
Many thanks. That should be interesting.
Yeah. There really is almost too much winning to keep up! 😀
http://www.wakingtimes.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/Frayed-Rope-Unravelling.jpg
AOC is openly mocking our political system to create chaos and distract from the success of POTUS and MAGA. This green thing is so ridiculous, there’s no other explanation. That’s how the Commies roll.
Pelosi is NOT this stupid! They are using AOC to distract, IMO, from what the left hand is doing.
On this site everyone is very intelligent and I am very sorry Steve if I did not look into the dictionary and therefore never understood the debate concerning meaning of words.
I learnend long ago the more I know my failures the more tolerant I am of others .
Thank you all for being so tolerant and kind:)
One of my best friends is a retired lawyer. We discussed “infanticide” – he made clear that any medical or scientific person testifying in a court of law would use the word “infanticide” – the killing of a baby – which is the term used for inside the womb as well as outside.
The issue Steve is correct on is what word a LAW actually states. That’s the simple difference – and we were both correct.
I could see why Steve might believe as he did about words – there are technical ones – scientific and engineering words, and then there are the social context words, or medical as in my world.
One can see the Dems resorting to ‘the law’ WRT what ‘infanticide’ means in legal parlance: ‘We’re not committing infanticide at all! This is what legal opinions/precedents say about it …’
Kudos to your lawyer friend, milady — and thanks for checking out a legal POV.
I just to adore magic tricks when i was younger and would always wonder how they were done. When I got my first library card, I went in search of answers and found many books detailing how to do magic. After I got the answers I sought, I was both satisfied and disappointed at the same time. Satisfied that I could peel back a layer and understand what was mystifying me and have it explained, but disappointed that I now knew I was being played and it diminished my enjoyment of the illusion. Sometimes it’s better not to know and just enjoy the magic as it unfolds…
That being said, one of the things I learned early on, is that in order to deceive an audience, you have to have them focus on something different in order to pull off your trick…AOC is part of the illusion…what BIG thing are they trying to pull off?
Ah, Pat – I didn’t read QUITE far enough before I posted basically the same thing! Great minds, eh? LOL – agree – Pelosi is evil through-and-through but she is NOT stupid!
Speaker d’Alesandro is MAFIA.
The mainstream media has refused to cover the fact that the head of the VERY important Senate Intelligence Committee, after two years of intensive study and access to Intelligence that only they could get, just stated that they have found NO COLLUSION between “Trump” & Russia….
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) February 8, 2019
…It is all a GIANT AND ILLEGAL HOAX, developed long before the election itself, but used as an excuse by the Democrats as to why Crooked Hillary Clinton lost the Election! Someday the Fake News Media will turn honest & report that Donald J. Trump was actually a GREAT Candidate!
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) February 8, 2019
Not only did Senator Burr’s Committee find No Collusion by the Trump Campaign and Russia, it’s important because they interviewed 200 witnesses and 300,000 pages of documents, & the Committee has direct access to intelligence information that’s Classified. @GreggJarrett
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) February 8, 2019
Now we find out that Adam Schiff was spending time together in Aspen with Glenn Simpson of GPS Fusion, who wrote the fake and discredited Dossier, even though Simpson was testifying before Schiff. John Solomon of @thehill
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) February 8, 2019
PDJT is very much paying attention to a wide range of details and events at many levels!
Donald J Trump was not just a great, hard-working, fearless, commanding candidate – he was compassionate about the plight of americans being held under the fist of PC, illegal immigration, lawlessness, tyranny practiced by corrupt, dishonest politicians, their self-interested donors and leftist ideologues, and many other painful realities.
IT WAS TRUMP’S POLICIES and Trump’s unflinching truth-telling and courage that won the White House!!!
Continued:
Trump cared about the loss of jobs, businesses, factories due to bad tax and regulation policies, loss of health insurance, the loss of life and limb of our young soldiers due to endless wars, senseless killing, dissection and selling of the tissue of unborn human beings, and the disgraceful huge amount of public funds going to Planned Parenthood and back to politicians – that the Democrat and RINOs do not care a gnat’s eyelash about.
Trump didn’t care or quit due to media schemes, smears and scathing stories, due to noisy violent protests, or the pretend superiority, pretend virtue and derision of politicians and pretend conservatives.
Trump didn’t care about foreign interests, politician reputations, or any of the usual candidate concerns…he focused with a single eye on what is right, true and basic about this country and its needs.
He even made a Contract with the American Voter and signed it with his super-bold pen:
https://assets.donaldjtrump.com/_landings/contract/O-TRU-102316-Contractv02.pdf
American taxpayer/workers responded in mass to this new kind of candidate.
And that’s how Donald J Trump won the White House!
agreed on all points!
Also Ga–By God’s Divine Providence and Deplorable Prayers!!😃😘
Pat, here is some friendly advice about copying the actual tweets (for those of us who wish to retweet or display).
All one has to do is to:
1/ put one’s cursor over the time stamp — e.g. ’11h’ or ‘Feb 7’
2/ right click
3/ select ‘Copy Link Location’
4/ ‘Paste’ on here.
This is from VOAT and worth the time to read and consider the implications. Nothing is as it seems.
https://voat.co/v/QRV/3023456
Cabal Dems are unraveling on the fringe
The shills keep telling us that nothing is going on. I think they’re looking in the wrong place. Consider the Cabal Dems like a big circus tent. The center poles that hold up the tent won’t stand if the stakes and lines that anchor it to the ground get pulled up one by one. At a certain point, it will become unstable and collapse. The center is well-guarded, but the outer supports can be targeted a little at a time, from many sides,
Just look what has come out in the last week.
The Northam black-face thing emerged, right after he defended infanticide, exposing the true Dem position on abortion. Then his Lt.Gov gets accused of sexual assault. Then Virginia’s attorney general admits that he did the black-face thing, too. If they are forced to resign, that leaves a Republican as next in the line of succession. Doh!
Then the whole SOTU delay just added drama and got more people to watch than if it had taken place on schedule. The Prez delivers a speech that shows the greatness of “true” diversity, not the fake stuff the Left pushes, where people look different, but they all think the same. His speech put the spotlight on the irrationality of the Dems’ policies and the divide growing within their own ranks. The next morning a CBS poll gives the speech a 76 percent approval.
Then a new Jeffrey Epstein investigation begins. (The Clinton’s sphincter-factor increases to 10!)
Monday night, there were Army “exercises” taking place on Wilshire Blvd, with special ops helos doing precision flying and extracting ground forces–right across the street from a Wells Fargo bank. Today, Wells Fargo goes down. Not just Internet and online banking. They couldn’t even process in-house mortgage transactions and other transactions. Kind of reminds me of the Gmail outage and the worldwide XBox outage after Q exposed the used of their comms systems by the Deep State and Obama’s associates to get around using systems they expected would be monitored.
Then there was another outage in Atlanta’s airport, with people hearing underground booms, similar to those in Los Angeles this week.
Then the Green New Deal comes out and it merely makes the Dems look insane.
Then there’s some kind of dick-pic scandal with Jeff Bezos (Washington Post) and the National Inquirer. Bezos is trying to assert there’s some kind of link between the Inquirer’s publisher, who happens to be friendly with Trump.
The Dem’s tent stakes are being untied in seemingly random ways. It’s happening so fast that the media can’t keep tabs on it all and they don’t dare identify a pattern to it. For so long, they have not done true analysis–only 4 a.m mockingbird talking points.
I think we are seeing the plan unfold. It will accelerate and the Dems will destroy themselves. They’ll start turning on each other. Their hardcore supporters are going to look increasingly insane and reasonable people who have a conscience will walk away from them.
All the while, POTUS is protected and insulated. Don’t focus on HRC and Obama arrests right now. Watch the peripheral stuff and see how it starts to close in on them. Their own supporters will turn against them to save their necks. Trump is going to sound more and more like the voice of reason, appealing to anyone who still has a patriotic pilot-light burning in their hearts.
Shills and doubters will try to undermine us. Trust the plan and watch how the pieces come together. “Expand your thinking,” as Q said.
my memory isn’t clear of the exact moment, but weren’t we all expressing a little anxiety lately that the Dems were attacking POTUS (and by extension us) from all sides–it was during the shutdown or around POTUS’s decision to end the shutdown.
This now, I believe, is the boomerang effect that is spoken of so often with POTUS–hit him hard, he retaliates ten times over…
these are all arrows in his quiver and he is just shooting them all of Stupidville (located anywhere Dems live)
Pat, I adore reading your comments. Smart and funny. Love you.
Great commentary! Thanks for posting it.
I agree with it all. I, like most of us, would really like to see mass arrests of the Deep State, including and up to Obama. But that would likely cause civil war. I know many want to see it, but that would be bad. If this is the Plan, I am good with it.
Allowing the Demoncrats to simply self-destruct and show their true colors, all the while loading courts at all levels with conservative originalist judges, building the wall on the Southern border, making our economy the best it’s ever been, and fostering lasting peace around the world is a strategy which puts AMERICA FIRST, and accomplishes the same ends. The demons out of power and out of our lives, and the chance for thinking people to keep them there. After all, the have to be voted in.
I know there are people who will say that is not justice, and I get it. These people are traitors, and should see prison time. But I have long believed that they live in a prison of their own making anyway. Can you imagine waking up in Hillary Clinton’s evil mind every day? I shudder to think. And, of course, many here believe she will get her comeuppance at the hands of her maker.
I for one believe Q is on the march. We see the evidence almost every day now.
Yet another reason I love OAN – the ad for The Daily Ledger basically says exactly that – if they jump out of the swamp on their own, so much the better. Again, IMO, this is one of THE biggest strengths of PDJT – forcing them to expose themselves!
Checked on Wells Fargo. That is an interesting piece.
?w=500
https://downdetector.com/status/wells-fargo
DP!! Love this post!! Actually SPOT ON! Circus Tent analogy is excellent!!
wow! someone (OT) reminded me that Mueller’s probe “inadvertently” picked up a nude selfie a little while ago? Was it Bezos??? and that’s how it made it’s way to the press????? LOL
Now that would be glorious
Something is going on in the State of California. The anon told us it was a special case.
https://youtu.be/AOvopxhuS4E
CA investigating itself, with majority control over all the govt by dimms wont go anywhere.
I think they’re trying to get ahead of the federal investigation.
you’re probably right…the numbers seem so low tho–didn’t LA county have to purge a large number of voters from their rolls in a recent settlement?
Yes, thousands. But they didnt look at every county. Im sure there are…millions.
Reportedly 1.5 million.
Yep.
Anyone watching the hearing? Why are some Repubs MIA? This is going to be a nasty hearing. I hope Mr. Whitaker cleans their clocks.
not watching; how’s he doing so far?
They’re running in now. Most of the early stuff was BS.
Whitaker isn’t going to take any crap.
Interesting though…
Whitaker was sworn in.
Which means the Demsgoal could be to refer Whitaker to DOJ for lying to Congress —- just like Stone.
Acting AG Whitaker Testifies Before Congress | C-SPAN.org
https://www.c-span.org/video/?457164-1/acting-attorney-general-whitaker-testifies-house-judiciary-committee
He’s holding his own. Nadler is frustrated 😁
Trusts that the feed I can save for latter.
HEY -WOWOWWWWW
Whitaker just told Jerry Nadler that Nadler was OVER his 5 minute limit.
SLAMmmmmmmmmmm
Really? AWESOME!!
Whitaker – OIG is currently looking at Carter Page FISA application and investigating.
Hey guys, the network is going with wall to wall coverage of the Whitaker hearing.
Do you all want a special thread for discussion?
We can put one up.
It’s going on all day.
oOne of the things that always bugged me OT is they wouldnt put a thread up for something special and Id have to dig through the open to find info.
Its a good idea to make its own.
It will also help us find anything for reference later much easier.
Hey GIL, good point. I threw up a thread for the Whitaker hearings. It’s up now.
Thanx again Daugn
AOC is a distraction. AOC looks like a twin of Huma Abedin’s sister Heba Abedin. They are all from NY. It looks like AOC is part of the Hillary group.
This is an interesting article about Hillary and Abedin.
https://canadafreepress.com/article/whats-wrong-with-hillarys-face-huma-abedin
Add Brenner and Valerie Jarret into the equation and it starts becoming clearer. Muslims.
Add in the Covington debacle, the NY and other states bringing in post birth abortion laws. Think beheading Christians for Idol Worship.
I keep trying to remember something but I can’t quite remember and can’t find it in a net search yet. Around 1990 or 1991, people in America were becoming very angry with the UN. We started getting a lot of stories about how the UN was losing its power and would not last much longer. We relaxed. In 1991, Bush did the Iraq war and the UN was stronger than ever. In 2019, we are still saddled with the UN.
Right now, there is a concentrated effort to make the Democratic party seem weak. They are not weak. They are firmly entrenched with the Deep State. Schumer and Pelosi at the SOTU were looking smug and mocking through the whole speech. They did not seem concerned in any way about losing their power. They didn’t even bother with a rebuttal. They just mocked President Trump.
This is still about Obama, Jarrett, Brennan, the Muslims, etal. The Democrats are not the problem, they are the distraction.
As Q says, keep your neck on a swivel. Stay alert. Be prepared. They do not attack in a frontal assault. These are dangerous times.
Watch and pray.
The anon also said that the Dem Party would be no more. If the goal was to get the Dems who vote reflexively out on the fruited plain to see how wacko the leadership is, then it’s working as planned even if it can be painful to watch.
Enough speculation is being thrown around at this point, I don’t know that we can be sure that AOC is as advertised or some sort of Trojan Horse.
I mean the fog of war is getting thick.
DP, Sorting through the mess and trying to tell the truth from the lies is a big job these days. It has never been easy but there are a lot of people concentrating on it now and the lies are being exposed quickly now.
I have to go to work, will try to keep up on cspan, but will check back for highlights. He did well so far
Okay folks, I put up a new thread for the Whitaker hearings.
thanks Daughn!
Why the hell are they having juan williams as the evaluatior of the hearing? Their analysis so far is playing dumb or incapable of seeing through whats going on.
That’s why I’ve been watching it on CSPAN.
I don’t want their filtering or their ‘evaluations’.
“I bring up the whole atheism issue because lately I have noticed a trend here–this site is resembling, more and more, a big revival meeting.
It is your privilege to do so as Wolf is not only allowing but encouraging it.
But it holds no value to me. I have to go through more and more of what is, to me, meaningless noise, but I am expected to “respect” it, even if only by remaining silent–while knowing that if I posted my opinion on such matters just once in the vast sea of overtly Christian postings, it would get little to no respect and certainly wouldn’t be greeted by silence.”
Altho I took issue with his statement about using the word “infant,” Steve is correct, IMO – I have mentioned often my current on-going transition in my Faith but the details are a private issue that I have hesitated to expose too deeply here because of exactly what Steve references. Every day, I also scroll past comment after comment that has absolutely nothing to do with the subject at hand = Q and the state of our Country. If I wanted religious proselytizing, I would go to a dedicated religious site. That is NOT why I come here!
Y’all may or may not have noticed but I haven’t been here as much lately and this is why. I pick up a LOT of vibes of virtue signalling and “Holier Than Thou” attitudes. I exposed a lot of info about myself personally within the last couple of weeks and have noticed a decided drop in interactions after that. Hmmm….judgmental much? TBH, I never understood the complaints from atheists about not being included or recognized – now I do!
IMO,the Bible was written by men, therefore, it is NOT literal – it is a collection of stories and legends passed down verbally through the generations. I did some deep research into the origins of the Bible and this is the conclusion I have reached. I also no longer believe in prayer and I do not believe God “watches over everyone.” WE are in charge of our lives, and NO-ONE else! And NO, I DO NOT WANT TO DISCUSS IT!
Might I suggest, Wolfie, a separate thread for those who wish to discuss theology and keep the other threads directly related to our entire purpose here?
There are a lot of lurkers and not as many people talking as have ability to do so. Maybe its a religious concern, maybe lack of Q, maybe they need topic direction. Its likely why ot has a prayer thread, holiday religious threads, a daily thread and separate open thread. These issues arise.
I think Wolf wants us to police ourselves while remaining as open as possible.
Some do better at policing themselves than others.
I don’t want to change you.
I just want to be free to be me.
We can and should all be free to “be me.” All I ask is that I not have to scroll through pages and pages of biblical text. I have 10 bibles in my house – I think I can find one to read. I have stifled my own comments for a while now because I know – just like Steve, TBH – that I will get barraged with advice and bible verses. I LIVED this my entire life and I am not seeking advice or resolution. I also shouldn’t have to put up with that, no? *sigh* Enough – I HATE fighting! Can we just put this to bed and get along? I appreciate it when people just put up the separate threads, then I know ahead of time.
I can understand how you might have a bruise on that spot. If the voice of your abuser is the one you hear when scripture is quoted the pain would be very real.
Different voices. I was very lost and hurting when the good shepherd, with a gentle and kind face, rescued me. The heart behind the voice makes all the difference in the world. My heart breaks for those who still suffer from echos of memories of abuse.
That is what turned me away from organized religion for sure, and is much of the reason behind my cynicism of the same. However, that has nothing to do with where I am now. I also was privileged to know many truly Godly Pastors and Teachers. Thank you for your kind thoughts, however – those are always appreciated!
“We can and should all be free to “be me.” All I ask is that I not have to scroll through pages and pages of biblical text. ”
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Beyond the hyperbole, how is that going to work, exactly?
Are we all to restrict ourselves and our capacity to express ourselves in the hope that no one would ever be offended or inconvenienced?
Why not challenge those beliefs, if you disagree with them?
Test them.
Follow them to whatever the logical conclusion may be.
Just like we do everything else.
Why not?
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“I have stifled my own comments for a while now because I know – just like Steve, TBH – that I will get barraged with advice and bible verses. ”
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That is almost certainly because many people here care about you. One of the ways they express that care (or concern) for you is by pointing to the truth of God’s Word.
Why would you stifle yourself in response?
Why not challenge instead, and see where it goes?
There must be millions upon millions of Christians who were unbelievers first. They did not change their mind by osmosis. Some of the harshest critics of Christianity in general and the Scriptures in particular have, after much study, become Christians.
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” I LIVED this my entire life and I am not seeking advice or resolution.”
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Okay, what is it that you lived your entire life? You mention elsewhere in this thread that you have some objection to ‘organized religion’.
This term means different things to different people. In at least one sense, I agree with you, much of what is loosely referred to as ‘organized religion’ just… it doesn’t match what the Bible plainly says about the Lord’s church and it doesn’t resemble the 1st century church — not in organization, not in doctrine, not in practice(s), and many other things.
So if the inspired Word of God is (for example) the ‘true’, and if we may have been following or practicing something other than the ‘true’, is it any wonder we may eventually get to a point where we can no longer overlook all of the conflicts and other issues?
But is the proper response to such an epiphany or realization to throw the baby out with the bathwater?
Or is it an impetus to start LOOKING for the ‘true’ — maybe for the first time?
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“That they should seek the Lord, if haply they might feel after him, and find him, though he be not far from every one of us:” (Acts 17:27)
“Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you: Unchecked Copy Box Mat 7:8 For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened.” (Matthew 7:7-8)
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I do not post the verses above to aggravate you, but to show that what I am saying is not some thing I made up on my own, but what is taught by the Scriptures themselves.
Scott……. My tongue is BLEEDING……
Thank you for GRACIOUSLY stating the OBVIOUS
@NF: But there are not ‘pages and pages of biblical text’ on this site.
Furthermore, I disagree with the proposed prohibition of the mention of the Creator of the universe, the Bible and whatever else might be Judaeo-Christian.
This is confusing. A couple of weeks ago, you told us how soundly you were raised in a small town in Nebraska by family and neighbours — and now this.
Many of us did not expect you to come out against Christianity.
That said, you are free to express your thoughts.
Those of us who are Jewish or Christian (or otherwise) here would appreciate the same common courtesy to express ourselves.
Amen….. or should we not say that now?
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Thanks, rayzorbak!
Where, exactly, did I ask the following: “Furthermore, I disagree with the proposed prohibition of the mention of the Creator of the universe, the Bible and whatever else might be Judaeo-Christian.” Where, exactly, did I come out “against” Christianity in totality? Just because MY version of Christianity does not meet YOUR requirements, now I am not a Christian at all? I see…..
My comment was not aimed at you specifically, NF, but at a couple of people who wanted separate threads for Scripture citations at the Q Tree. They appeared to want — or so it seems to some of us — purely secular/political threads bar one a day.
That said, it did surprise me when you wrote, ‘All I ask is that I not have to scroll through pages and pages of biblical text. I have 10 bibles in my house – I think I can find one to read. I have stifled my own comments for a while now because I know – just like Steve, TBH – that I will get barraged with advice and bible verses. I LIVED this my entire life and I am not seeking advice or resolution. I also shouldn’t have to put up with that, no?’
For a start, as I said in my reply, there are not ‘pages and pages of biblical text’ on this site.
Next, it sounded as if you had suddenly turned against Scripture and what lay behind it. Who can tell? We are reading each other’s comments, not each other’s hearts.
You laid out your own perspective. I never said that your version of Christianity had to meet mine. I’m an easy going Episcopalian/Anglican, too easy going for some Christians, but, somehow they and I often meet in the middle.
Did I say you are not a Christian? Please, do point that out. Thanks in advance. It just sounded as if you were coming out ‘against Christianity’. Your perspective suddenly became quite negative. Surprisingly so, in fact.
‘I know – just like Steve, TBH – that I will get barraged with advice and bible verses. I LIVED this my entire life and I am not seeking advice or resolution.’ Personally, that did not sound positively disposed towards either Holy Scripture or Christianity in that context.
I don’t have any ‘requirements’ about your profession of Christ. I noted only that your tone had changed in your explanation of why you hadn’t been commenting here recently.
Nebraska Filly, I wish you all the very best in future, here at the Q Tree or elsewhere.
Let’s move forward, shall we? Best to you as well.
Thank you! 🙂
NebraskaFilly
“Some do better at policing themselves than others.”
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I apologize if I was one who made you feel uncomfortable concerning my expression of faith.
Thank you for making me aware I surely do not want to make anyone feel uncomfortable.
This too curedge to speak up and I am thankful you have.
I enjoy your posts and of so many others please do not stop posting.
Hey – we are ALL good and moral people, who want only the best for our country and the future generations. Please – it is no one person – there is not one person here about whom I have anything but the utmost respect. And heaven knows, I am as far from perfect as most. We ARE all on the same team! Cheers! Watching this hearing – phew….what a frickin’ waste of time!
There is a reason that I don’t restrict religious discussion AT ALL here, and allow the discussion to essentially police itself. There is a reason the configuration is DIFFERENT from OT. It is a site-protective strategy. It’s a kind of information warfare which uses certain principles common to both science and religion, which most people don’t see, but which both I and the deepest enemies of this site are aware.
The policy drives off some wheat, but mostly chaff. It is HIGHLY intentional. Wheat which GETS IT from the science viewpoint will understand, and may choose to return, if driven off. Understanding without my being explicit is a wheat-chaff sorter in itself.
Compare and contrast to what happened at CTH. I learned from their mistakes.
Thumbs Up!
It’s also a matter of personal responsibility. I CHOOSE what I read, like, comment on, or scroll past. NO ONE is making me DO any of the above except ME. NO ONE is doing anything to me that I don’t allow. Is is Binary, I am either a Victor or a Victim. I determine what I will or will not tolerate. When the intolerable outweighs the tolerable, I’m going to CHOOSE to move on (Victor), not fuss that people are making me scroll (Victim). Be offended or not, that’s also a personal choice. This is not intended with malice towards anyone, just my personal belief regarding individual choice and where responsibility lies.
Thank you, Wolfmoon — greatly appreciated.
Brilliant……
Go and TELL the WORLD is my commandment….
Do with it what you will with what I might say……
I am NOT trying to piss off ANYONE.
Offense against the Gospel tells me all I need to know about someone.
Thanks again Wolf for your wisdom (and your site)
You’re most welcome!
It never seemed to me that lines were being drawn, so I guess that makes me naive. I figured everyone was like me–there are certain subjects that pop up that do not interest me or I do not understand and with those, I scroll on by. I thought silence or lack of response meant the same for everyone.
Despite my having a spiritual side, I cannot quote a single scripture, my prayer offerings are simple but sincere and I believe that I know what’s in my heart. And I don’t believe that we all need to believe the same things.
I’m glad you opened up Nebraska, because I believe there’s room for everyone in this treehouse…I hope you still feel welcome.
!00% agree!!! Pat you are our down to earth Patriot!! Love you!
@Pat and Marica — The time will surely come when you are asked to defend your belief in God and Jesus Christ via the Bible.
I know what it is like to have to do that, and it does require preparation to deliver it to a society hostile to Holy Scripture.
I sincerely hope that IF I am ever hauled into a “court”…..
And I am am being accused of being a “Christian”……
That “They” do have enough “evidence” to CONVICT ME!
Thank you for testifiying to faith and to truth.
It IS my (our) mission on this Earth…..
Welcomed by some, judged by some – but that is life, no? Haven’t quit the place yet! Thank you, Pat. I don’t want anyone to think that I don’t appreciate the extraordinary intellect and very enlightening and informative contributions here. I could seriously do with fewer bible verses, tho. – I always want to ask – ok, WHICH bible? SMH – there are so very many……I even experienced one pastor who didn’t even KNOW there were 3 different versions scattered around his church. And I did a study on that, as well – yes, the modifications DO change the meaning!
I appreciate your perspective NebraskaFilly.
And yes, some of us with scientific training do go on deep dives into historical basis for various choices in translations. For example, why did early NT translators apparently cover up the fact that a FEMALE apostle is named in one of the epistles?
I have lost count of the number of translations available on BibleGateway.com . Using the parallel feature allows for some interesting compare/contrast exercises. 🙂
I even bought a book that contains 3 versions: Aramaic Hebrew, Greek, and English. I went looking for a place where I could learn Aramaic Hebrew so I could read original texts on-line (yeah, right – in Nebraska!) until I delved more deeply into the actual WRITING of the “Bible.” I am comfortable with my conclusions.
“I went looking for a place where I could learn Aramaic Hebrew so I could read original texts on-line (yeah, right – in Nebraska!) until I delved more deeply into the actual WRITING of the “Bible.” I am comfortable with my conclusions.”
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Can you provide links?
If you have concluded that the Scriptures are invalid, I would certainly be interested in examining whatever the evidence may be, and the source(s).
Thanks, Scott. Me, too.
It was all documentation that I printed out, did not save the links. My sister wanted to read it to I sent it to her. Unfortunately, she did not realize that I wanted it back and passed it on to someone else. Sorry – you will have to do it yourself.
Hence the REASON for “conversation” about such things….
Afterall….. ETERNITY is a VERY long time….
i for one APPRECIATE information and views that I may have not been exposed to…
I trust in the Lord to help me find HIS way
“I always want to ask – ok, WHICH bible? SMH – there are so very many……I even experienced one pastor who didn’t even KNOW there were 3 different versions scattered around his church. And I did a study on that, as well – yes, the modifications DO change the meaning!”
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Then why not study that until you get an answer?
It is certainly true that some translations are better than others. Some are based on earlier manuscripts, some on later.
Due to the politicization of everything today — and political correctness, which certainly affects modern translations of Scripture — I am partial to the Authorized King James Version and the American Standard Version of 1901. They are “pre-PC”. They are not corrupted by political correctness or the overt subversion of the Left.
That doesn’t mean they are perfect translations, nothing could be “perfect”, it is part of the nature of translating from one language to another. And there are some flat out errors, though the only one I can think of at the moment is the use of the word “Easter” in the KJV. The original underlying Koine Greek word is “Passover”. The word “Easter” is not found anywhere in the original text of God’s Word, but (apparently) King James wanted it used, and so it was. But many online Bibles allow you to click on a verse, which takes you to a word by word break down, including the original Greek or Aramaic.
Example:
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https://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/act/12/4/s_1030004
“And when he had apprehended him, he put him in prison, and delivered him to four quaternions of soldiers to keep him; intending after Easter to bring him forth to the people.” (Acts 12:4, KJV)
Click on the verse and it takes you to an Interlinear, showing each word in the verse, here is the result for the word “Easter”:
Easter
g3957
πάσχα
pascha
Click on “g3957” and it takes you to a detailed analysis of “pascha”.
Outline of Biblical Usage
I. the paschal sacrifice (which was accustomed to be offered for the people’s deliverance of old from Egypt)
II. the paschal lamb, i.e. the lamb the Israelites were accustomed to slay and eat on the fourteenth day of the month of Nisan (the first month of their year) in memory of the day on which their fathers, preparing to depart from Egypt, were bidden by God to slay and eat a lamb, and to sprinkle their door posts with its blood, that the destroying angel, seeing the blood, might pass over their dwellings; Christ crucified is likened to the slain paschal lamb
III. the paschal supper
IV. the paschal feast, the feast of the Passover, extending from the 14th to the 20th day of the month Nisan
KJV Translation Count — Total: 29x
The KJV translates Strong’s G3957 in the following manner: Passover (28x), Easter (1x).
The original underlying word “pascha” appears 29 times in the KJV. 28 of those times it means “Passover”. One time it is translated “Easter”, so it’s not rocket science to figure out that the translators were not faithful to a correct translation in that specific instance, and we know the reason why is because King James wanted the word “Easter” to be used instead. In the early 1600s, if you want to keep your head, you don’t defy the king.
If you check other translations, you will not find the word ‘Easter’, because they didn’t have King James hovering over their shoulder.
For example, here is the NKJV (New King James Version) of the same verse:
“So when he had arrested him, he put him in prison, and delivered him to four squads of soldiers to keep him, intending to bring him before the people after Passover.” (Acts 12:4)
The American Standard Version (1901): “And when he had taken him, he put him in prison, and delivered him to four quaternions of soldiers to guard him; intending after the Passover to bring him forth to the people.” (Acts 12:4)
The King James has been around since 1611, and has likely been gone over with a finer toothed comb than any other translation in existence. I am not aware of any other specific errors like the use of the word ‘Easter’, but if there are others, they are few and well known to scholars, and if they had any impact on Christian doctrine, they would be well known to professional pastors, in which case they would be well known to a great many Christians.
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There is a vast amount of information available on the underlying text found in the Old Testament and the New Testament, and it is also true that scholars of ancient works (non-Biblical) would KILL to have the kind of quality and volume of ancient documentation available to Bible scholars. Partial texts, complete Bibles, and tens of thousands of fragments from various parts of the world, all of which can be and are compared to determine when/where/if a transcription error (or spelling error) was made, which enhances and provides greater confidence that our understanding is right.
By comparison, many other ancient books known to the world (e.g., by Tacitus, Caesar, Plato, Pliny the Younger, Thucydides, Suetonius, Herodotus, Sophocles, Aristotle, Catullus, Euripides, Demosthenes, Aristophanes, Homer, et al.) only survive by copies numbering in the single digits, or sometimes even only ONE surviving copy — and in nearly all cases, the surviving copy or copies were transcribed many hundreds of years (sometimes over a thousand years) after the original text was written.
Earliest Scripture fragments discovered = possibly as little as 25 years after the original vs. over a thousand years in many cases between the original and the oldest surviving copy of other great books of antiquity.
Scholars of other ancient works would LOVE to have the volume of evidence available to New Testament scholars, and with a significant number of the fragments dating to near the first or second century, they are often far closer to the original writing than most of the great ancient books which are known to the world.
Do we have confidence in the historicity, authenticity and accuracy of the great works by Tacitus, Plato, Sophocles, Aristotle, et al?
Certainly the scholars do, and they have FAR LESS transcript evidence, by many orders of magnitude, than Bible scholars have available to study.
So if we reject the historicity and authenticity of the Scriptures, then by how much more must we reject the authenticity of all the other books of antiquity? And if we reject those, we eliminate at least 90% of ALL of our knowledge of the ancient world! Without these ancient texts, all we have left is basically statues, pottery fragments and coins to go by!
And the volume of Scripture fragments makes it possible to compare, and where a difference is found, to figure out where an error of transcription was made. Some anti-Christian websites mention ‘thousands of errors’ discovered by scholars in the Scriptures. What they don’t mention is that:
A) nearly all of those ‘errors’ were matters of spelling or punctuation
and
B) to my knowledge, none of those ‘errors’ have any bearing on Christian teaching or doctrine
They don’t change a single teaching about Christianity or being saved.
So whether we are talking about the books of the Old Testament (thanks in large part to the Masorete scribes, and the more recent discovery of the ‘Dead Sea’ scrolls), or the books of the New Testament, which was copied prolifically and spread throughout the known ancient world (which is why so many fragments still survive today), we can have great confidence that what we have today has been preserved intact.
Agree 110%.
Study one version and move on from that, if necessary.
Awesome exposition Scott……
I stand with you as a defender of the “Faith”…
And…. God’s written word.
2 Timothy 3:16
All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness
OOps… I just Quoted Scripture……
Sorry if it OFFENDS anyone…. (Not really)
Pro Tip:
An often overlooked reason of WHY Jesus came to Earth……
So that the “Inspired” writer of the Bible…….
Would have SOMETHING to write about!
Great idea NebraskaFilly! I am not a highly religious person as well, and that is due to some very bad episodes as a child being brought up in a “high Cathiloc” Italian family! I believe in God but I have always felt that we need to be very careful reference how we describe or worship our creator! We really do not know exactly how it all comes down in the Bible but I do see the Bible as a survival manual! Not through religion though, but as a real down to earth survival manual!
I love God and I do pray regularly. I know there is a God…How can there not be?
God/Jesus never mentions religion, only that we remember and keep his word… It may be just me but when I hear the word “religion, I think of “control”! Religion, in my way of thinking, is just one man’s way of controlling another man’s beliefs!
THAT is exactly what “organized” religion has become and, indeed, may have been from the beginning!!!! It is a method of control and collecting $$$$!
“THAT is exactly what “organized” religion has become and, indeed, may have been from the beginning!!!! It is a method of control and collecting $$$$!”
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It often becomes about control and money, due to error and corruption (and greed, and power, etc.).
But it was not like that in the 1st century, and it is not like that in the Scriptures, and it should not be like that today, if we are keeping and following God’s Word.
Were there errors in practice in the 1st century? Certainly, many of Paul’s letters are written, at least in part, to address some specific error that has come to his attention, that some congregation is involved with.
And by learning of these errors, we learn not to repeat them. And if we do repeat them, we learn (from the Scriptures) how to correct them.
This is why guarding against error is so critical. If someone introduces some new doctrine or practice, it takes only one generation for that belief or practice to become ‘tradition’ (a tradition of men, not of God).
A generation or two later, someone else builds upon that faulty foundation, expanding it further, or using the error as a foundation for a whole new error.
Error begets error.
Now imagine this process playing itself out for 500 years… or 1,000 years… or 1,800 years.
You could easily end up so far away from the original practices and beliefs of the Lord’s church as it is revealed in Scripture that what we do today is not even recognizable as Biblical Christianity.
Now look around at the world about us. So many different groups self-identifying as ‘Christian’, each doing their own thing, based on whatever seems best to them — and if something different seems best to them next week or next month or next year, they’ll do that.
How does this happen?
Not by fidelity to God’s Word, for one thing.
Error begets error.
The New Testament is the blueprint for the Lord’s church. Follow that blueprint, and you will do well (“If ye love me, keep my commandments.” – John 14:15). Deviate from it, and you’re flying by the seat of your pants — you’re on your own, doing your own thing.
The seat of your pants is not what you want to have to explain on Judgment Day.
So does that mean that all ‘organized religion’ is bad or wrong?
What do the Scriptures say?
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“Let us hold fast the profession of our faith without wavering; (for he is faithful that promised;) [24] And let us consider one another to provoke unto love and to good works: [25] Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching.” (Hebrews 10:23-25)
“And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight.” (Acts 20:7)
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Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together. That (and other Scriptures) means we are to be a part of a local ‘body’ or congregation which meets regularly.
How regularly?
On the first day of the week.
What is the first day of the week?
Sunday.
Does that mean attend the church of our choice, that any one will do?
As Paul might say, ‘God forbid!’.
Are we seeking to please (or worse, entertain) ourselves, or are we seeking to please God?
It should go without saying (but since it doesn’t, it needs to be said) that we should, if at all possible, find a congregation that is faithfully following God’s Word.
How can we know?
By comparing what any congregation or church does to what God’s Word says, on any given subject. If you find a congregation which follows God’s Word, it won’t be by accident, it will be because they know and study the Scriptures and follow them.
It takes effort and commitment and the involvement of the whole congregation — if they just leave it up to the preacher, how will they know if the preacher is in error about some thing — or worse, leading them astray? So they will be more than happy to show you why they practice some thing, or believe some thing, showing you the Authority for what they do from God’s Word — book, chapter and verse.
It is true that the word ‘religion’ is only found five times in the Bible, in five verses, all in the New Testament. Three of those are where Paul refers to his experience in the religion of the Jews, or his specific sect, the Pharisees (Acts 26:5, Galatians 1:13 and 1:14).
The other two are in James, where one is negative and the other is positive (James 1:26, and James 1:27).
So what can we conclude?
Religion can be in vain (James 1:26, cf. Matthew 15:9, Mark 7:7), or religion can be pure (James 1:26). But generally, the word ‘religion’ is not found in the Scriptures very much at all.
But what the Bible does say, over and over, by command and example, is to keep, follow, obey and abide by the Scriptures, i.e., God’s Word, a.k.a., the Word of God.
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“And it came to pass, as he spake these things, a certain woman of the company lifted up her voice, and said unto him, Blessed is the womb that bare thee, and the paps which thou hast sucked. [28] But he said, Yea rather, blessed are they that hear the word of God, and keep it.” (Luke 11:27-28, boldface emphasis mine)
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There are congregations which do exactly this, keep God’s Word and follow it. It is important to them to do this, because God’s Word says it’s important. These congregations can be found throughout the country and around the world.
You just have to look for them. 🙂
“assembling of ourselves together” (as we are doing HERE)……
It doesn’t have to be at the “building” down the road, or anywhere in particular….
(Though I do not condemn it)…..
ANYWHERE that “scripture” is debated and knowledge is increased…
Is a good thing to me.
The Holy Spirit will Guide each and EVERY one of us as HE see fit.
Scott, well done, as usual. Very helpful.
Perhaps you have a problem with reading comprehension? Did I NOT say I do not wish to discuss this any further? Thank you for respecting my wishes on this.
“Perhaps you have a problem with reading comprehension?”
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Could be… it’s hard to judge my own comprehension… have my replies to your specific claims given you any reason to think that would be the case?
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“Did I NOT say I do not wish to discuss this any further?”
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Of course, but then you keep discussing it, which tells me you’re conflicted, you don’t really mean it.
Your fingers are typing “no”, but your heart keeps saying “yes”.
That’s where the ‘comprehension’ part comes in. 😀
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“Thank you for respecting my wishes on this.”
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You’re welcome. The comprehension part can be tricky, but I think I’m doing a very good job, actually.
This is fun, isn’t it?
Talk to me, Nebraska.
Clearly something has gotten into your head, and it’s bothering you, and you brought it to everyone’s attention, and that’s good.
So talk to us!
Or give me a link to whichever thread where you explained what’s bothering you, and I’ll go read that.
*sigh* It is an accumulation of things, brought to a head by the loss of my daughter four years ago, which is when I lost my belief in prayer. As for the Bible, it was put together by men – fallible beings – over the course of generations, beginning with such documents/groups as The Pentateuch and such. Over the generations, there were MANY translations, ALL of which changed individual meanings in some form or fashion. This is why I do not take the Bible literally.
It is true that before my daughter’s death, the posting of voluminous religious discussions and bible text didn’t grate on me as much as it now does. My overall point is this – I do not visit this blog to discuss religion – I come here to discuss Q-related matters as well as saving our country and what we can do individually to support our President.
I will continue to keep many comments to myself in the interests of keeping the peace. If I decide this branch is no longer of enough value to me to spend my time here, then I will leave. Thanks and have a great day.
“As for the Bible, it was put together by men – fallible beings – over the course of generations, beginning with such documents/groups as The Pentateuch and such.”
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Okay, if we’re including Old Testament in the discussion, then consider that the 66 individual books and letters of the Bible were written down by 40+ different men, of vastly different backgrounds, different vocations and different social status (from kings to physicians to fishermen), across a span of some 1500+ years (Genesis to Revelation).
Men who lived in different eras, some of whom spoke different languages, in different parts of the world.
And yet the story which is revealed is consistent and reconciles, forward and backward, from Genesis to Revelation.
That’s some trick.
One I’ve not seen duplicated, anywhere.
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“Over the generations, there were MANY translations, ALL of which changed individual meanings in some form or fashion.”
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What translations were done with the Old Testament, from the time it was written down in Hebrew, all the way up to the Septuagint, when it was translated into Greek, in the 2nd century BC?
And the Hebrew Old Testament didn’t end or stop being used when the Septuagint was completed, it just meant that from that point onward there was both the Old Testament in the original Hebrew and a Greek translation.
So the Old Testament still exists in the original Hebrew, it became available in Greek circa 2nd century BC, and has since been translated into many other languages, but the original Hebrew Old Testament is still available to anyone who can read Hebrew.
As for the New Testament, nearly all of it was written in something called Koine Greek.
Languages change over time, they are dynamic and change organically with use (or they are purposely manipulated, like the Left does today).
God’s providence is an amazing thing. Do you know what is so interesting about Koine Greek, the language of the New Testament?
It is a DEAD language.
Therefore it doesn’t change. The meanings of the words have not ‘evolved’ or changed over time. Koine Greek means the same thing today that it meant in the 1st century.
And just as lots of people can read the Hebrew Old Testament in the original Hebrew, lots of people can read the Koine Greek New Testament in the original Koine Greek.
It is true that there are many translations… I suspect the Bible has been translated into every language on earth by this point, the Bible is the most widely published book in the history of the world.
But the underlying Hebrew and Greek still exists. That’s why whether you are reading the Bible in Swahili or Basque or Cantonese or English (or any other language), if a question about translation arises, you can always go to the original underlying Hebrew or Koine Greek to see exactly how a given word or verse was translated.
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“This is why I do not take the Bible literally.”
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Good. Then if that’s all it was, have we not resolved that issue now?
If so, then what, if anything, prevents you from taking the Bible literally (at least the literal parts, some parts are not literal, e.g., parables) at this point?
“I come here to discuss Q-related matters as well as saving our country and what we can do individually to support our President.”
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On this we are in very much agreement 👍
I am very sorry about your daughter, I did not know about that.
I do understand how great personal sorrow or tragedy has the potential to cause a crisis of faith.
I would say please don’t give up on God.
He has not given up on you, and He won’t.
I honestly cannot imagine ever getting to a point where I could say there is no God – as you say, how can there not be? That belief is embedded deeply within me and I just don’t think I could ever deny Him.
Amen
Since were back on the subject I might be amiss if I don’t give my 2 Cents worth on SteveCO’s parting shot. Then again I might be amiss by giving it. Anyway,
I’m in the skeptic camp about SteveCO’s reasons for leaving. Understands it’s hard to maintain a facade. which is what I assume he was doing. Things like that take a lot of energy and can lead to burn out.
I don’t have a warm and fuzzy about “not enough Q”. Doesn’t think he was ever much about that. Fact if I remember correctly his stated reason for coming here was he too was kicked out of CTH while under another name, and he shared only that in common. Nothing else except perhaps one might assume some good comradeship.
The too much God thing doesn’t seem to hit home either as it is too easy to dance around if one wishes. All it takes is some respect for others and their beliefs. There’s no evangelism going on here. Or at least I don’t feel it. Just joy and or angst expressed as is ones want done in a multitude of ways. Something to be celebrated, not quibbled about while walking away.
Personally I find some, mind you some, atheist come across as being holier than now and would be better served if they considered religion to be a function. That though might lend to an an argument back, but really they have nothing to offer in that field, as they can’t provide a universal frame work of thought such as structured religion provides that keeps the people on the straight and narrow, not with out educating the masses. Something they seem to fail terribly at and thus one might think it to be by nefarious design. If it could of been done the ancients would of done it. They had much more time to think it out than we do today.
When Rome while still in the Republic saw the writing on the wall, the ones that believed the least were some of the same that lamented having shredded the pantheon after realizing they had nothing comparable to put in its place.
I admit some of those thoughts are not flushed out but nor am I wanting to write a book.
Personally thinks Steve has been reassigned or the project was canceled and or the Company no longer requires him here. But that’s me. No one has to share that belief. Not expecting you to. Right or wrong those are my thoughts and knows I’m a bit strange with some of my notions, but there they are.
And of course he’d be welcomed back anytime. The banter much enjoyed.
Interesting comment. There’s a poster over at chiefio who doesn’t share his name, but shares initials (being intentionally cryptic here, sorry). ParaLLelism is difficult to convey absent formulae…
Nonetheless, company man or union man, I’ll miss Steve and his banter, puns, and posts, as well as his numimatic knowledge. I hope and, yes, pray he finds “home” wherever he may journey.
Numismatic… geesh…
“numimatic knowledge”
This is what the anons have – but I think they spell it “numematic”.
Their memes absolutely FRIED the cabal!
The NPC meme was epic …
“I honestly cannot imagine ever getting to a point where I could say there is no God – as you say, how can there not be? That belief is embedded deeply within me and I just don’t think I could ever deny Him.”
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This is good, and interesting.
Earlier you claimed not to believe the Scriptures, saying: “IMO,the Bible was written by men, therefore, it is NOT literal – it is a collection of stories and legends passed down verbally through the generations. I did some deep research into the origins of the Bible and this is the conclusion I have reached.”
So your position is that you utterly reject the authenticity of the Bible.
So it begs the question, if you don’t believe the Scriptures, then how can you believe or know anything about God — at all?
Seriously, think about it.
If you reject the authenticity of the Scriptures, if they are nothing more than a collection of legends passed down verbally through the generations (the scholarship on that claim has to be so bad I would love to know your source), then where else are you getting any idea at all, about Who God is, or what He has done, or what He expects of you?
Dreams?
Feelings? (whoa, whoa, whoa… feelings….)
Intuition?
Movies?
Bumper stickers?
What?
This is important.
How can the “belief” that “is embedded deeply within me” exist — at all — if you completely reject the authenticity of the Bible?
From whence does this ‘belief’ come?
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“I also no longer believe in prayer and I do not believe God “watches over everyone.” ”
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Okay, but why did you believe it in the first place?
There had to be a reason… what was it?
And what changed?
I agree with you, though I do tend to have a live and let live view of it and as long as their is no lecturing directly to those who might not be religious or as religious I’m fine with the occasional prayer being posted.
……same as I would with anyone form other faiths that truly are patriots, that believe individual Liberty is our guiding force and believe that evil does lurk as the deep state and that we are all here together to inform one another and fight the good fight.
The state of our country is DIRECTLY tied to the state of the FAITH in our country.
Despite the revisions and protestations of the left (Rockefeller and Columbia-baseed ed. biz. folks, for the most part) this country WAS founded by men of FAITH, who were unafraid to both share and LIVE their beliefs; indeed many DIED for them. And many of the Founding Fathers’ writings reference GOD, both in gratitude and in requests for guidance and protection.
Having grown up and worked in the SF Bay Area (sillly-cone valley) and in Los Angeles in my University years, I have encountered the opposite problem to what Steve, and it appears you protest: absolute ideological refusal to accept my faith, and my point of view, as it was considered to be that of a mouth-breathing, knuckle-dragging, flat-earh contingent that belonged elsewhere; not in California. A friend sought all means to justify an “old Earth”, even to the point of an alternate translation, simply because he could not bear the ridicule of his colleagues. To which I asked, “What is the bigger miracle: creating the Universe out of nothing; or how long it takes to do it”.
Most of the folks that I encountered there could not deal with the existence of an infinite Being; One that could not be measured with earthly yardsticks, concepts, and measures. In other words, Some ONE who was infinitely greater than them. And, being highly technical, they sought to understand and explain everything, as if they were the final arbiter of right and wrong (similar to the “Fact Checkers” of the YSM).
Yet there were those of us, also computing, OS, hardware, and compiler experts, who were humble enough to realize that Someone Greater than us both exists, and loves us; indeed without whom we would be without hope.
There are many, MANY blogs out there which welcome Atheism, Agnosticism, Wicca, and goodness-knows-what-all (while discouraging Christianity in all ways shapes and forms) – believe me, I’ve seen them, posted on them, and been SAVAGED on them. Say anything remotely Christian on http://www.theregister.co.uk or http://www.heise.de, or just about any of the climate blogs, and you can either argue all day, or crawl away with your keyboard melted from the flames. So much for the vaunted “tolerance” (which is a VERY misused word, by the way, and to engineers and technical types that misuse should be especially apparent).
President Trump thanks GOD, asks for GOD’S Blessings, and supports GOD as both the AUTHOR and PROTECTOR of life, as well as the CREATOR of life. I think he and his views are similar to thost of the Founding Fathers, and are well worth mentioning.
And moving them to a separate thread is nothing short of censorship.and intolerance. Sorry. Recipes and muscial composition thoughts (something like the art threads which would pop up OT from time to time) might be nice, but THEY are WAY off topic, as opposed to the FAITH which both built and sustains this country.
(I’d dearly love to discuss the main theme which is shared the Tallis Fantasia, Holst’s suite for band, “The Girl of the County Down, and other Isrish/English foik music that was backgound music to an historical YouTube on which SingularZoe replied to OT; but yep, I can’t find that thread OT and probably wouldn’t be allowed to comment there, so that’s that). But again, that’s OK.
The seeming lack of Q comments is probably due to the current paucity of Q drops, which, in turn, is usually indicative of “something in the offing”. AOC is too strange to be true, and there are a TON of dots waiting to be joined over there. Do you have any Q-infors?
Finally, this IS an open thread, and (I would hope by definition) ALL points and points-of-view would be welcomed and encouraged (excepts those that be be problems as defined on the 01.01.2019 thread). Seeing and TOLERATING other points of view can either be a source or irritation and torment, of a means by which one refines and sharpens one’s own “points”. Iron sharpens iron.
FWIW, I called BS on Evolution long before I became a Born-Again Christian (and endured a long tour through many belief (and unbelief) systems, even some of the cults). Opened quite a few doors, and all but one were empty and dangerous. [And this is from someone who had 99th-percentile and above test scores from the “Iowa Tests” clear through the SATs and ACTs, and read memory dumps for fun (and occasionally for profit).
Finally, a few points to consider from a professor of informatics with specialization in numerical mathematics, among other computational fields. From a very technical (yet accessible) point of view, there are a number of books written by Professor Dr. Werner Gitt, who is both a committed Christian, and an a respected information scientist and professor.
His book, In The Beginning Was Information, (pdf at: http://www.clv-server.de/pdf/255255.pdf ) is a thorough examination of Creation versus Evolution from a very technical point of view. He has other books, such as “If Animals Could Talk” which discuss complexity found in nature that is not explainable by chance. PDF is also online at http://www.clv-server.de/pdf/255760.pdf as well as its companion book, “The Wonder of Man” at http://www.clv-server.de/pdf/255397.pdf . There are a number of other books in English (and German and other languages) on his site. https://wernergitt.com/books/english
His doctorate was Summa Cum Laude, so he’s the real deal (nice fellow, too). CV:
1937 Born in Raineck, East Prussia (Germany)
1963–1968 Completed his studies as engineer (Diplom Ingenieur) at the Technical University of Hannover.
1968–1971 Assistant at the Institute of Control Engineering at the Technical University of Aachen. Following 2 years of research work, he received his doctorate summa cum laude.
1971–2002 Director and professor of the Information Technology Division at the German Federal Institute of Physics and Technology (PTB) in Braunschweig, Germany.
1978 Promoted to director and professor at the PTB. Research in the field of information science, numerical mathematics and control engineering.
His many original research findings have been published in scientific journals.
Author of several popular books on the subject of biblical faith and science.
His expertise in science and technical fields is undisputed. So any aspersions of imprecision, flat-earthing, blind emotion, etc. don’t apply with him (again, he’s not a robot, though).
Sorry for the length, and the lack of a TL;DR at the top. Short story, I don’t like to see Christians (or any viewpoint for that matter, whether I agree or not) being marginialized…
I appreciate the thought and no-doubt good wishes behind your comment but THIS is exactly what I specifically stated I did NOT come here for! Please refrain from proselytizing to me. Thank you.
You can choose to ignore it the same as I do all the flames on technical fora on which I participate. And I was not proselytizing you. Somehow I knew you would reply that way, as you did OT. I didn’t mean to trigger you.
But I won’t apologize for my beliefs either. No one else does, especially in CA. It’s what’s called a free society. Silencing the thoughts and beliefs of those with which you don’t agree is not very charitable, no matter what your belief structure. The scroll bar and page-up/page down are useful keys (except with what the latest version of the chrome engine has done to them)…
I am not attempting to silence anyone. If it gets to be too much, I will simply move on. Have a nice day!
Thank you, CC — greatly appreciated!
Wonderful post, Cuppa. Thanks!
“not explainable by chance”
Indeed. Science (physics, math) hasn’t figured out ORDER yet. It’s top-down, FIRST (and only THEN bottom-up) … but all scientists allow for is bottom-up. They don’t HAVE the top; they don’t have the beginning.
The term “emergence” (and “boot-strap” principle) is what they use to describe their, hmm, ignorance.
“99th-percentile and above”
I already knew you’re a smart cookie, Cuppa – knowing two (at least) languages WELL is a strong indication! For me, I expanded my thinking with music (Einstein played violin, yes? It uses a part of the brain / mind that analytics don’t, and so, it broadens mentality).
I was accused, at a young age, of having the condition of “extreme mathematical precocity”. I had no defense against the accusation, and live with the consequences to this day. Ha!
“humble enough”
This is key (as I already mentioned in another post today).
Glad you’re here too!
Cheers!
Thanks, ES. Some of the best programmers/developers/(computer)architects I know are also excellent musicians. Also some of the best debuggers, which is a special talent in and of itself [were more developers excellent debuggers, we wouldn’t need (other) excellent debuggers, but I digress].
It would appear that the ability to create or follow abstractions, and think “outside of the box” are also necessary when creating the artificial (albeit small) world of a program or (not-so-small) operating system.
One might say that being comfortable with “long branches” (while remembering the return pointers) is probably brought from musical abillity. Hmmm. Does that mean that bassonists are especially good programmers??? (and contra-bassonists???).
Here’s a vid of (supposedly Einstein) playing the violin (note the date – 4/1). Actually it’s the noted violinist Carl Fleisch, but the video has many pictures of Albert Einstein playing in a string quartet. Reportedly he problems with *cough* counting (heyyy, it’s all relative). A few anecdotes:
(from an article in the Independent, sadly not independent from Marxism…).
And the vid:
I wanted to ‘like’ this v. much but did not, because of some of the comments, e.g. ‘Happy April Fools 🙂 ‘ from a violinist and at least two people (in the YT comments) mentioning that Carl Flesch was playing here.
Actually I mentioned that in my comment – it isn’t Einstein playing (there probably are no recordings extant, and there certainly aren’t any vidoes. It was well known that he was a very good amateur violinist, but with nis background, he took a lot of ribbing from the pros about his “counting”. He also had his phone number written on a slip of paper in his desk in case he forgot, so he was probably preoccupied a lot.
And it was an April Fools post, done on March 31. I posted it for the pictures of Einstein, not the veracity of him playing. Those pictures were from him playing a benefit; there’s a Jewish historical society (I think in New York) that has more pictures.
Funny how music and technical expertise to together. Many of my expert and labbie colleagues and friends are fine musicians, some of them excellent musicians.
Sorry, CC, all of it was way beyond my ken.
Hope you understand.
I do not doubt the myriad talents of scientists from whatever field.
“What is the bigger miracle: creating the Universe out of nothing; or how long it takes to do it”.
Can I please use this comment?
It (along with most of your comment) is PROFOUND (WISE for those in Rio Linda)
Yes, feel free to use it, thanks!
It always baffles (OK, disturbs) me that people will acknowledge the Miracle of Creation, yet cannot wrap their minds around the fact that the AUTHOR of this Universe can make or do what HE likes in terms of time, observed peoperties, etc. If GOD wants to make a point source of light appear to be (what we measure as) 15 billion light-years away, what’s to keep HIM from doing it? Although I don’t think GOD intends to trick us, by any means (as Einstein said, GOD does not play dice with the universe).
Having said that, our mesures and methods are far from perfect, and our “standard candles” may not be so standard after all. If the first assumptions after parallax measurements are wrong (as they themselves are based on assumptions, albeit good ones), then everything else will be inaccurate. Cepheid Variables, various novae, and components of various HR scale populations might not be as we think them to be.
And yes, on some science fara I would be savaged for that “heresy”. To which I reply, Fred Hoyle and Hubble to you, too 🙂 Have a look at the Werner Gitt site I noted above (I think). really interesting reading, whether one agrees or not. Plus he’s a great person (met him at a wedding of a friend of mine who is in “Wort and Wissen”. A lot of his works are downloadable from CLV…
Thank you so much for your comment here, Nebraska.
I am very private about my religious beliefs. I, too, scroll past commentary that is about religion, simply because I don’t come here for that. What people believe or don’t believe about God is not relevant to my thoughts about politics. Americans are guaranteed freedom of religion, which means ANY religion, or none at all.
That said, we don’t have freedom “from” religion, so I scroll past what I don’t need to read. I respect everyone here, and their right to make whatever comment they wish. I am free to read them, or not. If Wolf wants to set up a religious discussion thread, that is up to him to decide.
I will continue to be here, reading and commenting, for as long as I am allowed to. I hope everyone else will do the same.
I’ll miss Steve.
TY – I will miss him as well.
Aubergine I see posts as organic. This forum is unique because of its organic movement.
I can see if one is not open to it it can be unnerving or irritating.
Quote of a mentor of mine from the past ” God help us from religious people.” He was a Christian mystic.
I am like most never memorized Bible verses but I am very familiar with the Bible. I am not offended people sharing I always can learn. I also learn from atheists or other believes.
I have no interest on converting people because I know I do not have that power and do not seek it either.
Still I will be more careful.
Steve in a way has made me aware and so has filly and you and maybe many more who post and lurk .
“I have no interest on converting people because I know I do not have that power and do not seek it either.”
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The ‘power’ is in the Word of God.
It is God’s Word that appeals to the heart and mind, not the words of men.
Certainly we might have a ‘Bible study’ with someone, and attempt to guide that person in understanding, but it is not our words that have any power to save the lost, it is the power of God’s Word.
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“And my speech and my preaching was not with enticing words of man’s wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power: [5] That your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God.” (1 Cor 2:4-5, boldface emphasis mine)
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And again:
“But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man. [12] For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.” (Galatians 1:11-12, boldface emphasis mine)
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And here:
“For this cause also thank we God without ceasing, because, when ye received the word of God which ye heard of us, ye received it not as the word of men, but as it is in truth, the word of God, which effectually worketh also in you that believe.” (1 Thessalonians 2:13, boldface emphasis mine)
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Here:
“For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect.” (1 Cor 1:17, boldface emphasis mine)
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And again here:
“Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. [21] For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.” (2 Peter 1:20-21, boldface emphasis mine)
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In summary:
“For whatsoever things were written aforetime were written for our learning, that we through patience and comfort of the scriptures might have hope.” (Romans 15:4)
“For the word of God is living and powerful, and sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing even to the division of soul and spirit, and of joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.” (Hebrews 4:12, NKJV)
Amen…….
OOps…. I did it again!
‘I am like most never memorized Bible verses but I am very familiar with the Bible.’ I am bewildered, as you have mentioned more than once that you are/were an elder in your church.
If you cannot cite at least specific books and chapters, how can you prove the **eternal truth** of Holy Scripture to others?
Don’t get me wrong. I really enjoy your comments not only here, but also from the old days at CTH (despite the spelling errors).
That said, believers have to be able to explain Christianity to others by chapter and verse (an older equivalent of today’s ‘Photo, or it didn’t happen’).
We are commanded to:
Matthew 28:19
Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
20) Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen.
So that is what I do (among other things 🙂 )
After having to self-edit my true heart as one who belongs to Jesus for most of my adult life in order to get along. After finding my true self only allowed in a smaller and smaller space. Your suggestion does not feel like liberty.
Wolf’s Q Tree has been the first generic online space that has not banished my heart to a small ghetto to the side of the main topics.
Of my own free will I have been creating breakout topics for more faith-centric current events. Which feels like liberty to me.
For this I am grateful.
Religious liberty is extremely important to POTUS and the Plan. Our VSG understands the deep healing qualities. I consider religious liberty fundamental to MAGA, and this is a MAGA site. To me it’s a no-brainer.
Also, I would caution that anyone that pressures another person to modify their natural language and self-expression in order to keep that person from walking away is committing emotional blackmail to some degree or another.
Thumbs up!
This x1000! Thank you, T3.
Yes, ’emotional blackmail’ — censorship — provides self comfort, a security blanket.
We have a lot of atheistic/agnostic pressure in Europe of this kind.
“Every day, I also scroll past comment after comment that has absolutely nothing to do with the subject at hand = Q and the state of our Country. If I wanted religious proselytizing, I would go to a dedicated religious site. That is NOT why I come here!”
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Understood, but being a Christian is part of who many of us are. It’s not the kind of thing you can just ‘turn off’, and even if we could, it’s the opposite of what we are supposed to do:
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“Ye are the light of the world. A city that is set on an hill cannot be hid. [15] Neither do men light a candle, and put it under a bushel, but on a candlestick; and it giveth light unto all that are in the house. [16] Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven.” (Matthew 5:14-16)
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“Y’all may or may not have noticed but I haven’t been here as much lately and this is why. I pick up a LOT of vibes of virtue signalling and “Holier Than Thou” attitudes.”
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It is not an easy thing to discern another’s motives, even in person. It is much harder in a written format, without the ability to see and process non-verbal cues, tonal inflections, etc.
It may be that someone has a ‘holier than thou’ attitude, or it may not be the case at all. But almost certainly, if someone is looking to be offended, that will bias them to ‘interpret’ in a negative light.
And understandably, it is difficult to be on guard against leaping to such conclusions, if our outlook is already predisposed toward the negative.
Personally, I am glad that you are here and posting regularly, and I hope that continues. However, I don’t understand how effectively ‘muzzling’ ourselves would be a good thing for anyone. Isn’t vigorous engagement the better answer, almost always?
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“I exposed a lot of info about myself personally within the last couple of weeks and have noticed a decided drop in interactions after that.”
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I was not aware of that and did not see it. But there are many things I miss, because there is a LOT being posted here, and I only have so much time each day to read.
So if my interactions with you have appeared to drop off recently, it was not by intent or design… but I am trying to make up for it now 😁
” Hmmm….judgmental much? TBH, I never understood the complaints from atheists about not being included or recognized – now I do!”
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I was not raised in a church-going family, and did not even begin to search for the Lord until I was in my late 30s. I was not a Christian for most of my life, but I don’t recall anything about not being included or recognized by those who were Christians.
Maybe it was happening, but I wasn’t even aware?
Seems unlikely though, many of my close friends were regular church-goers (mostly Roman Catholics, now that I think about it), and I never experienced anything negative because I wasn’t a Christian.
I wasn’t opposed to Christianity in any way, my grandparents attended church every Sunday, I just didn’t know much about any of it, because I wasn’t raised that way. I wish I had learned sooner. So many mistakes I might not have made…
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“IMO,the Bible was written by men,”
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Opinions are excellent, even more so when backed with solid reasoning. To the best of my knowledge, the only thing in this world that was ever written by God Himself is the Commandments given to Moses on Mount Sinai:
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“And he gave unto Moses, when he had made an end of communing with him upon mount Sinai, two tables of testimony, tables of stone, written with the finger of God.” (Exodus 31:18)
And again, here:
“And the LORD delivered unto me two tables of stone written with the finger of God; and on them was written according to all the words, which the LORD spake with you in the mount out of the midst of the fire in the day of the assembly.” (Deuteronomy 9:10)
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The books, letters and epistles collected together into one volume generally called the Bible were written (physically) by men. But the men who wrote God’s Word were not writing their own thoughts or concepts, they were “inspired” by God, and the underlying original Greek word for ‘inspiration’ (theopneustos) means ‘God-breathed’:
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“All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:” (2 Timothy 3:16)
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Strong’s Definitions
θεόπνευστος
theópneustos, theh-op’-nyoo-stos; from G2316 and a presumed derivative of G4154; divinely breathed in:—given by inspiration of God.
The men God chose as vessels to write His Word often make it clear that it is not their own words that they write, but the very Word of God, see Galatians 1:11-12, 1 Thessalonians 2:13, 2 Peter 1:20-21, et al.
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“…therefore, it is NOT literal –
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Certainly parts of it (many parts) are literal, and some parts are figurative, just like most other books. Some parts are parables. Some are proverbs, some parts are psalms.
How can we know which is which?
The same way we know when we read any other book, i.e., by context.
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“…it is a collection of stories and legends passed down verbally through the generations.”
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Do you have a source for that?
Because all of the books of the New Testament were completed by the end of the 1st century, and nearly the entire New Testament can be pieced together from quotes in the letters written by early Christians, so I don’t think the source for what you said there can withstand critical scrutiny.
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“I did some deep research into the origins of the Bible and this is the conclusion I have reached.”
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What are the sources which pointed you in this direction? If it is a large number, which are the highlights, the most important? Do you have links?
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“I also no longer believe in prayer and I do not believe God “watches over everyone.” WE are in charge of our lives, and NO-ONE else! And NO, I DO NOT WANT TO DISCUSS IT!”
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Whoops… too late 😁
I didn’t get to that part until just now.
I reply to most posts in the same way, paragraph by paragraph or line by line. I respond to each new thought or idea in the same why I would in a dynamic verbal discussion.
But really, how can we not discuss it, when your entire post was discussing it?
If I had made such a critical decision in my life, I would want to be sure my decision was right, and discussion would certainly be a part of it, if for no other reason than recognizing that I don’t know what I don’t know.
Brilliant response, Scott — many thanks.
It is “Brilliant”…
Because it is the TRUTH
Thank you for the encouragement churchmouse!
The questions NP raises are of course very good ones, questions which I needed answers for myself, early on. Questions about translation(s), confidence in the authenticity of the Scriptures, who (or Who) the Author of Scripture really is (man or God), etc.
These are fantastic subjects, going straight to the core of what we believe and why. If you want to wrestle with something, these questions are great ones, and my confidence has only grown stronger whenever I investigate these subjects further.
The Scriptures have been attacked by every generation, almost certainly from the time they were written down. People much smarter and more intelligent than I have exhausted themselves in the attempt to tear down God’s Word. And yet the Scriptures remain unbroken.
What other written work has been subjected to such severe scrutiny, for so long, by so many, and withstood it all?
Nothing else even comes close.
It’s really quite amazing, if you stop to think about it.
It reminds me of a poem about broken hammers and an anvil I read years ago. I was pretty sure it must be well known, so I didn’t have any trouble finding it again just now:
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The Anvil — God’s Word
by John Clifford
LAST EVE I passed beside a blacksmith’s door,
And heard the anvil ring the vesper chime;
Then, looking in, I saw upon the floor
Old hammers, worn with beating years of time.
“How many anvils have you had, ” said I,
“To wear and batter all these hammers so? ”
“Just one, ” said he, and then, with twinkling eye,
“The anvil wears the hammers out, you know. ”
And so, thought I, the anvil of God’s Word,
For ages skeptic blows have beat upon;
Yet, though the noise of falling blows was heard,
The anvil is unharmed — the hammers gone.
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This x1000!
‘Thank you for the encouragement churchmouse!’ You are most welcome!
Would someone please spill the gravy!
It seems our big family dinner table discussions are getting a little divided and contentious. We need the distraction.
SPILL THE GRAVY?! In my house, that’s considered worse than spilling Powers Whiskey. I mean, it’s practically a food group.
Exactly why spilt gravy would be such a great distraction!!! A puddle of pure gold out on the table.
I feel pretty stupid lately, I’m missing the perceived slights.
…. and it’s really none of my business.
Heck, if two of us go to dinner, chances are, we’ll order different items from the menu.
We’ll never agree 100% of the time on what to order.
Consider it a success if we can agree it is time to eat, and which restaurant we should go to.
Bonus points if you let me sample your dessert.
Why are we fighting?
I adore you response Daughn!!! Grabbing my coat and running out door!! I’m having creme brule! wanna bite?
YES!!!
We should never fight… We just disagree 🙂
!!!!!!!!!🎁🎁🎁
FOOD FIGHT! 🙂 (shades of forks stuck in the tacky “cottage cheese” ceiling of the 1970s dining hall, or jello cups stuck to the walls, or sliced pickles, peanut butter, or what-have-you splattered about)…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3daMvR0NeG8
There’s the whole scene here:
ROTFL!! 🙂
I don’t see the slights or the holier-than-thou either, and if those feeling slighted do, they oughta respond when it occurs, or remember not everything is about “me”.
Please don’t change the rules or start a separate thread for prayers, Wolfie. The open thread is rich & colorful every day, and I love the variety and the weave. Open means open.
I also enjoy the openness of the thread and not having people police others because they think dog videos or brief cooking or weapons discussions should go somewhere else. If I’m short of time or not interested, I just scroll past. But some posts brighten my day, and some enlighten me in ways I was not seeking.
wheaties dog videos and T3’s prayers are truly what sets this comment section apart from all the rest!! TT-…”some posts brighten my day, and some enlighten me in ways I was not seeking.” Beautifully stated!
TY
I assumed it was because I was away a lot coughing into my hankie like Camille that I missed out and all the drama and slights but maybe not. Maybe I just slid past them all unknowing.
I’m not fighting with anyone. But if someone spills gravy on the table I maybe not be above spooning it up and eating it and if someone tries to beat me to it a fork could impale the hand.
Ahh — so, not only a shovel but also a fork! 🙂
Don’t get between me and my grub! All bets could be off depending on the quality of the eats!
Excellent!
I know what you mean about good food!
IKR?
One guy leaves for philosophical reasons and now a couple of others are starting to talk about censoring religious POVs??
What the Sam Hill is going on?
I’ll expound on what is happening.
Read the Book of Acts.
Every time there was a pure, loving, giving new church (e.g. in Jerusalem, to cite one example early on), not long after, there was ALWAYS negativity and opposition (to put it mildly).
I certainly am not calling us a ‘church’, so don’t take me literally — but note the pattern to a good, loving, supportive community.
HONEST discussion is NOT considered “fighting” in my book.
Notice that I said “My Book”
(This has Zero “religious” connotations)
Tension does not mean something is wrong.
Tension only means something is happening!
Non-negotiable: WWG1WGA
Permitted: robust, respectful discussion where we work to put others in the best possible light
TTT ~ I have limited knowledge about religion and don’t understand a lot, but I do like reading these posts. Intellectually I struggle with much of the information, though it resonates with me on a deeper level and I thank you for providing them.
I learned from a radical mystic years ago that some things can only be seen from a state of meditation. The logic hardware is not as fault-tolerant. 😉
thinkthinkthink
“I learned from a radical mystic years ago that some things can only be seen from a state of meditation. The logic hardware is not as fault-tolerant.”
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So true
Excellent!
Thanks for this:
“Non-negotiable: WWG1WGA”
Spot on!
“Distraction”?
YOU just provided it.
Please pass the gravy. Thank you.
It’s on the floor
Had to come back up here to find THIS post…….
GRAVY is all over the damn place now.
Goodnight.
INTERESTING ETYMOLOGY that falls into the “Stuff you might not know” category and I received from NOT AN EXPERT in the field..
Did you know the saying “God willing and the Creek don’t rise” was in reference to the Creek Indians and not a body of water? It was written by Benjamin Hawkins in the late 18th century. He was a politician and Indian diplomat. While in the south, Hawkins was requested by the President of the U.S. to return to Washington. In his response, he was said to write, “God willing and the Creek don’t rise.” Because he capitalized the word “Creek” it is deduced that he was referring to the Creek Indian tribe and not a body of water.
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In George Washington’s days, there were no cameras. One’s image was either sculpted or painted. Some paintings of Washington showed him standing behind a desk with one arm behind his back while others showed both legs and both arms. Prices charged by painters were not based on how many people were to be painted, but by how many limbs were to be painted. Arms and legs re ‘limbs,’ therefore painting them would cost the buyer more. Hence the expression, ‘Okay, but it’ll cost you an arm and a leg.’ Artists know hands and arms are more difficult to paint.
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Common entertainment included playing cards. However, there was a tax levied when purchasing playing cards but only applicable to the ‘Ace of Spades.’ To avoid paying the tax, people would purchase 51 cards instead. Yet, since most games require 52 cards, these people were thought to be stupid or dumb because they weren’t ‘playing with a full deck.’
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Early politicians required feedback from the public to determine what the people considered important. Since there were no telephones, TV’s or radios, the politicians sent their assistants to local taverns, pubs and bars. They were told to ‘go sip some Ale and listen to people’s conversations and political concerns. Many assistants were dispatched at different times. ‘You go sip here’ and ‘You go sip there.’ The two words ‘go sip’ were eventually combined when referring to the local opinion and, thus we have the term ‘gossip.’
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At local taverns, pubs, and bars, people drank from pint and quart-sized containers. A bar maid’s job was to keep an eye on the customers and keep the drinks coming. She had to pay close attention and remember who was drinking in ‘pints’ and who was drinking in ‘quarts,’ hence the phrase ‘minding your ‘P’s and Q’s’.
Judy! Cool post. See there, we learn something new every day.
And it follows the “old is new” pattern we see in so many places these days…
Judy you expanded my knowledge..:)
Judy, this sentence…… ’ Artists know hands and arms are more difficult to paint……a look at Obamination’s presidential portrait proves this! His hands are backwards or something and it almost looks like he has a no thumb but 2 little fingers.
Judy – very interesting! Thanks for the tidbits 😊
I LOVE this kind of info. Thank you from another Judy.
these are cool!
thanks for sharing!
There’s your “schoolin” for the day folks.
Thanks Judy
omg..I felt like something wasn’t right about that… some announcement today from HPD
Oh my goodness, real investigative reporting? Not knocking it, wants more of it. Thanks for following this, I did want to hear how it all came out given the last reports. As I remember the couple had been married quite a many years, were stable in their life style, he was an ex marine, they had neighbors that couldn’t believe they were involved in selling drugs. Also the police came in on a no knock warrant out of uniform and shot the dog first. That and there was no black tar heroin found at the scene.
Love to know if the victim was some kind of white hat witness (COUGH).
This quote is from yesterday so the announcement might not explain anything. Maybe it’s one of those pressers that reiterate what’s known ?
http://www.fox26houston.com/news/hpou-narcotics-officer-relieved-of-duty-during-investigation-into-shooting-case
The Houston Police Officer’s Union released this statement:
“Rumors continue to spread around the shooting last month on Harding Street where 5 police officers were injured and 2 suspects died. To be clear, officers were not on the wrong street and entry at that location was not made at random. We would refer you to the call slip from that location on January 8th, over 2 weeks prior to the shooting.
lol, I guess this is the announcement~ Blahblah
Wait here a cotton picken minute……
Isn’t this the “Chief” that just called for “More Gun Control”?
Related?
From the same reporter on a different topic — the Archdiocese of Houston-Galveston:
That’s right! …Because Q told us!
https://twitter.com/LisaMei62/status/1093904550250070017
I think Nadler and the Dems were FISHING FOR INFO.
Yep…”abuse of power” and “malicious prosecution”.
But then, that’s the whole Reason why Dems seek power — so that they can abuse it!
I read somewhere might have been at CTH from a lawyer who posted said ” that they Shiff cannot go after POTUS business and dig into his financial dealings because there are limitations.” The way I understood was that there is a state they have to abide by and this investigation into POTUS is beyond their scope.
I wish I had copied the post.
Dawson has a new THREAD up
Man, these people are the SCUM of the earth!!!! Hang in there, Whitaker!
A conversation with an abortion doctor:
https://twitter.com/PrisonPlanet/status/1093851681954168834
thanks wheatietoo…
discovered this… lots of videos, text … y’all remember to remove the * when cutting and pasting
*https://twitter.com/hashtag/SaveTheBabies?src=hash
Marica, have you reposted info on APP today??? Please do…
The pro=abortionists are Nazis. No different than the vermin who intentionally killed 11 million people in the Holocaust. It STARTED in the 1930’s though – the desensitizing, the marginalizing, the dehumanizing, etc. etc.
What value does a human being have? Ceding power to others regarding live and death, cedes our humanity. It’s why “safe, legal, and rare” became open killing of the unborn. The next step is euthanasia, and that’s already taking place.
Instead of advancing Western Civilization, with our medical and technical improvements, we’re going backwards in our humanity. Or maybe we never quite got there…
Hah!
wheatie,
what do you think? a lot of pols are thinking “confirm Barr… and soon… we don’t want to mess with this Dude!!”
Yeah, that’s why they are trying so hard to destroy him.
They don’t even want him in the DOJ!
Praying Barr nominates him as DAG!
Me too, Butterfly! Me too!
I haven’t been able to watch. I turned on one time when Hakeem Jeffries was questioning so rudely I had to turn it off because I could feel my temper rising, rising, rising. I turned on a second time and some other fool was questioning him and it annoyed me almost as much. I will say Whitaker handled himself well during my BRIEF viewings.
Oh yeah, Whitaker did great.
Cool as ice…didn’t let them trap him with their Perjury Trap questions.
He was a like a brick wall…and they kept smashing themselves against it.
Hah.
I’m so glad, and I hate them so much for trying this crap. So sick of it. But good for Whitaker!
And he made them agree to 5 minutes per idiot. And made them stick to it. He knew he was there to be abused and he was willing to take it … but only for 5 minutes per commie.
It seems the Documents were signed 2-4-2019 before the SOTU to create the One World Religion.
Snyder: ‘One World Religion’ Looms As Pope & Islam’s Top Imam Sign Historic Covenant
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-02-07/snyder-one-world-religion-looms-pope-islams-top-imam-sign-historic-covenant
Move along. Nothing to see here. Your “betters” have handled this for you. Nothing to discuss.
Is ^^this^^ what the globalists planned all along?
— Flood Western countries with impoverished muslims, who overload the welfare programs.
— Get a get a communist Pope in place.
— Combine the Catholic Church with Islam.
And the sheep will say…”Oh. Okay.”
It’s ALL coordinated.
But they’re too ahead of their schedule – the “boiling frog” tactic needed extra heat, after the election of VSGPDJT.
Now, the frogs are jumping out! Somewhat heated, but nowhere near being part of the stew.
The cabal is accelerating its agendae WAY before they’d intended.
Capital flaw …
I believe it
You’ve got it, Wheatie. Bravo.
Stopped reading here. “Therefore, the fact that people are forced to adhere to a certain religion or culture must be rejected” That is heresy according to the Koran. Not sure what’s happening here. This deserves a very close look.
Wolf, Q Treepers, this thread goes into pages from a book on communist infiltration of us gov from way back. Anyone know if this is the book posted here recently?
https://twitter.com/j_arthur_bloom/status/1093702446000603137
https://www.scribd.com/document/281655584/1960-ABA-Report-on-Communist-Tactics-Strategy-Objectives-pdf
Thank you.
Scribd wants me to create an account before downloading. Not going to happen.
I hear you!
Excellent thread. Thank you very much for the Twitter thread.
Awesome stuff!
Ok, I’m dropping a grenade here to make an observation and a point. Ever since SteveInCo’s Fare Well address, there has been much consternation over what to discuss. I get it, I really do, there’s ‘stuff’ I don’t like reading but I’m not so full of myself to impose some implied restrictions on what others might want to express….especially in the OPEN THREAD.
I assume it’s open for a reason, Correct ? I’m throwing out a warning as I see all the comments on the Open thread today….WARNING WILL ROBINSON (call out to Lost in Space)…don’t go the way of CTH.
Remember the Pro/con Sessions battles that led to the ‘take your ‘Q’ posts elsewhere , We don’t want to read that stuff here on CTH’ which led to the banning of ‘Q’ discussion altogether which led to many of us being banned OT!
This warning is not directed to Wolf but to the entire commenting community here on the Q Tree. Once we start declaring what each wants to read or not to read, begins the ‘slippery slope’ process of slowly stifling Free Though and Speech. It becomes a subconscious governor on what we might say in order to avoid offending someone. Does anybody here who supports our President really think he gave any thought about who was offending by his infanticide or socialist comment during the SOTU. Hell no, that’s one of the reason why we love him.
We should all be tolerant and respectful of each other; i.e. no personal insults.
BUT (that’s a big but) also be absolutely free to express a thought or opinion based on our education, background, upbringing, genetics, environment, experience, etc because that is what makes each one of us unique. It ultimately makes each one of us better person. That’s all I have to say, got it off my chest!
Thanks for reading !
I concur 100% Steve… absolutely 100%….
sanctuary | Definition of sanctuary in English by Oxford Dictionaries
https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/sanctuary
Definition of sanctuary – refuge or safety from pursuit, persecution, or other danger, a nature reserve, a holy place; a temple.
As do I.
I consider this to be the most pro-America, pro-MAGA, pro-FreeSpeech, pro-humanity site in cyberspace.
We DO get along, and famously. BY CHOICE!
Happy Friday, everyone!
This site is based on the SAME MODEL that MADE AMERICA WORK.
And we will MAKE AMERICA WORK AGAIN….
so that we can MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN!!! 😀
E PLURIBUS UNUM
Translation: OUT OF MANY, ONE.
Steve, I really like it here because it has been uncensored discussion. I consider it a “sounding board” and not an echo chamber. If we can’t defend our position, we need to go study some more.
As each of us contributes, some will find mind changing information and grow. Others will just skip what they don’t like and enjoy what they can or move somewhere else.
One of the things that puzzles me is that so many of our commenters here were on CTH. They say sundance is a Christian. I have never seen anything there that indicates that sundance is Christian. Once he said that he was posing some Catholic things because _____ is Christian and he did not want anyone insulting her. That is not the same as saying that he is a Christian. He may have said so somewhere but I never saw that. If you did, I would be curious to see it. His solutions to everything always seem to me to be worldly and never Godly. I like his articles, still go to linked videos and enjoy some of the comments.
I think it is a mistake to censor this site to silence Christians. We finally have a President who is standing up for America and for Christians. If people don’t like it, there are thousands of other sites that don’t like Christians they can use.
Thanks for posting your comment.
Elizabeth, I have never seen/read anything about SD indicating what you elude to. As a matter of fact, I don’t really pay any attention if and when people express their ‘religious’ views, I put that in my ‘computer (brain)’ only as a marker to use in understanding their position or comment.
I don’t evaluate them on their religion or lack thereof. I have known ‘very religious’ people who practice what they preach and those that are the antithesis of what they preach. I have known secular folks who are absolutely wonderful and caring people and those who are not. I practice the Golden Rule. Most people I can read on my first impression; if that isn’t is a bad impression, I’m always willing to give a second chance…..we all make mistakes once in a while, even me (hehehehe)!
As a 64 yo trained and experienced engineer, I make judgements based on what people do, generally, what they say I hold in reservation. Hypocrites are people I don’t have any use for; therefore Dems and NeverTrumpers are people I don’t trust just…period !
CTH has the Open Thread which always begins with the Lord’s Prayer.
SD is an old-school Christian. He could be a Catholic, since Menagerie gets her posts according to the Church calendar and always vaunts Catholicism over other Christian denominations. Yes, I will await Catholics saying that Roman Catholicism is not one of many denominations, but the true Church.
‘I think it is a mistake to censor this site to silence Christians. We finally have a President who is standing up for America and for Christians. If people don’t like it, there are thousands of other sites that don’t like Christians they can use.’ Thank you x1000. Oh, the irony of it all.
Yep, I agree, SteveInLews…censoring is a slippery and steep slope.
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In complete agreement. Keep the open in open.
“…be absolutely free to express a thought or opinion…”
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There is only One category that we should self-censor ourselves on.
And that is…posting things that could get Wolf’s site shut down:
— Threats against elected officials or celebrities.
— Threats against law enforcement.
— Threats to blow up buildings or kill the people we don’t like.
In other words…death threats.
WP has recently shut down some other WP blogs, blogs which were run by conservatives.
WP could do the same with this one.
Let’s not give them a reason to.
Even though we get frustrated and furious about what is going on…and what the evil Left is trying to do to our President and our country…we have to exercise restraint about saying What We’d Like To Do about it.
And no doxxing. Even if you feel secure in yourself or have no malice towards the person you reveal personal facts about. We live in a time where personal details are used as weapons.
This is critical – and the censors OVER-INTERPRET what is doxxing for “protected groups” (meaning THEIR SIDE).
Case in point – “dead-naming” – which means calling trans folks by their old, other-gender name. To me, this is protected speech – it is MOCKERY which is protected. Nevertheless, when non-celebs are trying to go “trans-anonymous” and “lose their biological gender”, outing their old identity CAN be a form of doxxing, so we need to be careful. This is a tricky point. I may choose to honor the protection of anonymous speech, when it looks like I’m kowtowing to the idea of dead-naming, which for public persons I regard as a form of protected speech.
What is doxxing and what is not is tricky. I think it’s best to act conservatively.
“Threats to blow up buildings or kill the people we don’t like.”
Teeth grinding. This is the hardest. But I agree completely.
I don’t think your atomic shovel is (yet) classified as a lethal weapon 🙂
HA!
Steve in Lewes
“We should all be tolerant and respectful of each other; i.e. no personal insults.
BUT (that’s a big but) also be absolutely free to express a thought or opinion based on our education, background, upbringing, genetics, environment, experience, etc because that is what makes each one of us unique. It ultimately makes each one of us better person. That’s all I have to say, got it off my chest!
Thanks for reading !”
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Wise words !
Yes, yes and yes..:)
Good points. Someone mentioned above about a possible “splitter strategy”, and Sessions/Q (at least in my mind) is what went a long way in weakening the OT. A swap or muzzling of the arborist may also have been involved…
Things seem to be heating up (that zerohedge article almost makes me ill, including the comments). Seems to resemble the “Left Behind” movies (at least the original series)… Geesh…
I strongly believe there was an active splitter strategy going on at CTH.
Cuppa, tried to read one of the Left Behind books once, not because I thought I’d like them, but so I could have an informed opinion, but I couldn’t stand them, and the characters were so Hollywood and cardboard, not like any real Christian I have ever known or would want to know, not at all believable to me, plus the whole plot was silly.
A teacher I know once pointed out that the book the late great planet earth + left behind mentality was when the Christians as a group began to check out from being the salt and the light in our nation. An interesting thought.
The problem with the “Left Behind” novels (and I bought the whole sets in both English and German, and tossed them both – a few hundred Euros shot there) is that they effectively violate the command/admonition of Revelation 22:18-19, to neither add nor subtract from the words in the Bible (and the NIV has also been guilty there of late).
They also (like Big Idea’s (Veggie Tales) disaster “Jonah”) add characters and situations out of dramatic necessity that just don’t belong. Which, I think led to their failures, as it were.
Having said that, I was speaking of the first films, which didn’t exactly follow the books, and were highly dramatic, if not always believable. The globalists, i.e. Satan Inc. ARE here and now, and hell-bent, as it were, on creating a one-world government. CNN becomes GNN (Global News Network), for example. Not far from what we have now.
That is the extent and the limit of my metaphorical reference to Left Behind… I wouldn’t blame the books or the film for causing or enabling apostasy. That started a century earlier, with Fosdick and Rockefeller, and the German skeptics before them…
Great comments, Cuppa. By the way, love to read Charles Spurgeon on the down-grade.
A-KABOOM-MEN.
Can’t make this up…..
Booker and OC – birds of a feather.
except you’d never have gotten to the moon cuz the train don’t go there…
Trains to the moon and mars. Now there’s a thought!
think ginormous slingshots!
LOL the mental picture. Can we send them to the moon but over shoot over the moon?
slingshot trajectories were a part of Apollo 13—
Failure is NOT an option!
USA: Houston we have a problem
AOC: Who’s Houston?
Or, shades of the old Honeymooners shows,
“To the moon, Alexandria, to the MOON”…
Good one!!!!
Cuppa, I love the way your mind operates. You are so much fun.
“think ginormous slingshots!”
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That’s how Wile E. would do it.
With ACME booster rockets, naturally.
Ssshhhhhh. Moonbeam Brown will steal your idea 🙂 (OK, Gavin “the face” Newsom, but still)…
I can think of a number of people I’d like to send with a one way ticket. Could we draw up a list?
I have around 435 names in mind, along with an equal number from over here… that would be at least a trainload, or?
(Send them up in coal hopper cars, for old time’s sake – they might need the “carbon” sometime) (ooh, works for blackface, too 🙂 )…
Lol.
Kellyanne Conway Details Alleged Assault in Maryland
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/02/08/kellyanne-conway-details-alleged-assault-in-maryland/
UNHINGED LEFTIST Mary Elizabeth Inabinett Is Pleading “Not Responsible” For Assaulting Kellyanne Conway at ‘Uncle Julio’s’ Restaurant
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2019/02/unhinged-leftist-mary-elizabeth-inabinett-is-pleading-not-responsible-for-assaulting-kellyanne-conway-at-dc-restaurant/
Is shocking. I am so sick of this. She was with her ‘teenage daughter during the incident. Her daughter filmed part of the altercation on her phone.’
Would love to see a photo but I can already guess.
And she’s pleading not guilty to the attack.
Her lawyer, William Alden McDaniel Jr., told CNN Inabinett was only exercising her First Amendment right to express her opinion when she grabbed Kellyanne Conway, shook her and screamed in her face.
I hope there are some big, successful lawsuits that result in significant punishment that puts an end to this garbage.
This should not be allowed.
Yes. I do feel like some of these things are being paid for… But I’m sick of it.
Some insanity..
“Congressman I am not a puppet to repeat what you’re saying”
Swalwell wants him to repeat after him and address the President directly.
“Congressman I am not here to be a puppet to repeat terms and words that you say I should say”
“Can you say that to the President?”
He has not answered the question” he just begged Rep Nadler to make him repeat after him 😂😂😂😂
What a LOSER!
https://twitter.com/TheSpeaker2018/status/1093918789102493696
Oh I LOVE this meme. Gimme that toxic masculinity 😊
I know! Don’t you just feel it oozing from his pores? It’s men like this that make me thing, if it comes to WAR, we’ll have a fighting chance. These are the real men backing up the country.
Absolutely ladyp…
He’s a mega testosterone donor.
HA!!!
No gillette razor for him!!!
Breakfast of Trumpians!
I don’t think the Dems expected Whitaker to be so smart and tough. Just looking at him should have provided them a clue! 🙂
He’s no mealy-mouth weasel. Genuine people don’t have to be. He eats people like this for breakfast.
LOL Hollywood Gushes over AOC’s Green New Deal: ‘The Mark of A Great Nation’
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/02/08/hollywood-gushes-over-aocs-green-new-deal-the-mark-of-a-great-nation/
I doubt they read it at all. No planes oh wait not planes for the little people.
When the hell did hollywood become the sage wisdom capitol of the universe?
It must be beerthirty somewhere!
Hollywood is FANTASY… of course they love the idea of “Green Energy” as posited by AOC…
Reasonable, rational, thinking people are laughing their assets off…
There are a few (very few) people in Hollywood (wherever that IS) who can actually articulate a thought without a script… but they are not ‘heard’ over the din of those asleep in their fantasies.
It’s so iornic (hat tip to Jose Baez) that the self aggrandizing Dems who dare to make blanket statements about the education level of Deplorables don’t take notice that probably a HUGE percentage of “stars” and singers and comedians most likely never went to college. It’s so low brow to mock us but they all do it 24/7, makes me mad
The only movie I’ve enjoyed was ‘the greatest showman’. 🙂 ok I’ll admit that.
Here, Molly.
For me, it’s “beerthirty” here! (Never heard that before – thanks!)
Cheers!
Cheers !
Is that anything like “Beer o’clock” ? (an expression from Old Blighty 🙂
Yes..I like Beer o’clock better!
Remember when back in the day the studios had control and they said nothing…. sigh.
I like to see who’s yelling to put them on my ‘do not watch list’ which TBH has turned into my ‘I can only watch old movies because those actors are dead and have no ticked me off.’
right with you kea…
those I used to admire, love to watch… I now see in a totally different light, so I can’t abide the thought of watching them act. Have limited myself to Brit flics … old ones at that ! [Sandra – Va at the other place turned me onto subscribing to ACORN and BRITBOX… highly recommend both.]
Ahhh yes I recall the ACORN channel. I don’t have cable. In fact I only rent a few old movies. I can’t watch this new stuff anymore. I do have a john wayne DVD set I need to watch!!!!
I can’t wait to see what happens with the Disney movie: captain marvel flops. Actress is anti man and SJW. People are not taking kindly to it.
Almost time for The Quiet Man.
Me too, Phoenix! We watch all the brit shows (mostly crime detective) on Acorn & Britbox made between 1990s and 2010. Anything after 2010 is SJW just like U.S. tv.
What makes those Brit shows so exceptional? First, they don’t all have straight, white teeth and botoxed faces, so their “warts ‘n all” features give reality to their characters. Second, they are trained to act. Many were trained in the theater, and the acting quality is vastly superior because of it.
Yeah, Kea…there’s no way they read the thing.
Getting rid of planes?
Trains across the ocean?
Cow farts?
They saw the word “Green” and thought ‘Yeah, we’re for that!’
Idiots.
Maybe they thought Green as in Money or weed? 😉
Heheh.
Maybe…but they’ve been conditioned for decades now, to give an automatic thumbs up for anything ‘Green’.
They’re idiots.
It makes it simple for them.
😆
kea
“Maybe they thought Green as in Money or weed? ”
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I cannot even talk to my husband about the green deal proposal without him rolling his eyes.
He worked in Aero Space for 26 years never could tell me on what.
Then was Professor and he thinks Cortez is stupid. Even I know when someone is fantasizing to far out of the box.
By the way the Greens made great progress in Germany and they are just as loony. This is the fringe of society and when we put that in perspective one can deal with it. They are dangerous and can do much damage they did in Germany and you have the sudo Intellectuals who believe that they are so cool and above the working-class comprehension. Yes, these ideas come out of some US and European Universities.
Making universities safe for conservatives is critical to restoring sanity to the world.
Truer words never spoken my man.
I personally would be happiest if every university was cut off from all federal funding and that all private donor money would disappear.
They often have some lovely infrastucture that could perhaps be better put to use as honest business incubators. Like a super-sized library where everyone can study at their own pace what ever they want to with or without whomever they want to. Without any infringement on ANY constitutional rights.
LOL I can’t blame him. It really boggles the mind. How on earth can anyone think this is a good idea. Hey at least he rolls him eyes. My Mom just laughs whenever I bring it up.
He worked in Aero Space for 26 years never could tell me on what.—– Ahhh yes. They use to recruit aeronautical engineers from Germany back in the day.
Your right I totally forgot about the German Greens.
Yep. The mess they’ve made of Germany (and it goes back wayyyyy before Trittin and his paedo colleagues, indeed it goes back before the Nazis and their Satanic earth-worshipping cults).
Edeka/Marktkauf (HUGE grocery-store chain) are all-in for “Demeter” farming and food. Never mind (they say) that it’s “gependelt” (crystal “spelled”) and “sacrificed to a foreign god”. And THEY (greens and Edeka, etc.) are also pro-Moslem, and tied into that. Strange cooperation between the left, the greens, and the Moslems. Something doesn’t fit, there…
The evil alliances on the left are just starting to be uncovered. Look at http://www.jungefreiheit.de to see what’s going on. Depraved travesty doesn’t even come close to explaining it.
And with the “planned” exit from coal in 2038, the forced abandonment of diesel (ironically based on faulty science from Øbozo’s EPA!!!), coupled with the shutdown of all nuclear reactors (for fear of a tsunami in Germany!!!!!), Germany is headed for a bleak (and FREEZING) future unless the AfD and common sense take hold. Please pray for our elections this year in the Neue Bundesländer (states from the former DDR).
Would be ironic if the globalists don’t believe in “climate change” any more than we do, and that they also see that we’re headed for MAJOR cooling (the sun is less active that it’s been in over 200 years). Indeed that they know all this, caused fuel prices to go up, and up, and up, and up, and will reap the benefits when temperatures plunge around 2030 or a few years prior…
Shutting down Germany’s nuclear came straight out of the Kremlin, IMO. That was undoubtedly among the final TIP-TOP secret orders that Comrade Merkel got. “Wait for the proper moment and pounce.”
Burrr. Cuppa, how long is this lowered sun activity going to continue? I hate cold and cloudy weather.
Think MAUNDER MINIMUM. For MANY YEARS.
This is why the communist “global warming” trick is so evil. They would rather send America and the West in the OPPOSITE direction from what is needed.
Frankly, it’s SO anti-human, one would almost think HUMANS would not be capable of deceiving half of humanity to not prepare for what is coming, much worse, to UNPREPARE. One would think it would have to be ENEMIES OF THE PLANET.
Just sayin’. I keep the possibilities of deception VERY open.
Good point, Wolf. Well, I’d like to find out who I can sue, because they promised me global warming, and look what we got instead. Lol, joking about suing, of course.
I just hate the way Germany was leading the world to SAFE nuclear technology, and Merkel used it as an excuse to screw Germany and help Russia. GRRRR!!!!
And France followed suit, to the point that their nuclear-fueled electricity is used to power ELECTRIC heating (we use gas, oil, wood, or, rarely, coal here). And France’s electricity rates are ONE THIRD of ours, which are the highest in Europe and almost the highest in the world.
Not to worry, though, not to be outdone by Marxist Merde-kel, Mad Macaroon is going to shut off their reactors, too…
Merde-kel never was a Christian Democrac. She is neither Christian, nor Democrat, rather she’s a green (she was energy ministerin before). Indeed, she’s not even a true green: she’s a Watermelon, green on the outside, and RED on the inside. With the bulk being RED.
Sort of like occasional Cortex…
President Trump 4 hour annual physical at Walter Reed!
Some Repub should offer a resolution for Ruth Bader Ginsburg to do the same !
He’s BAAAAAAACK!!!!
“Britain’s Electoral Commission has officially recognised the Brexit Party as an official and legal political party in the United Kingdom, which Brexit leader Nigel Farage has said is a force to fight back against the betrayal of the 2016 referendum.
Eyeing the growing likelihood of the British government betraying the will of the British people and failing to pull the United Kingdom out of the European Union — either wholly or in part — the new party will focus campaigning on making sure Britain leaves the political bloc.
Speaking of his reasoning behind returning to front line politics, having spent much of the past year campaigning with a cross-party pro-Brexit group instead — Mr Farage wrote Friday: “The party was founded with my full support and with the intention of fighting the European elections on May 23 if Brexit has not been delivered by then.”
https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2019/02/08/nigels-comeback-official-brexit-party-recognised-by-electoral-commission/
Let’s have a little joy today:
https://twitter.com/GatesRobin/status/1093946792750862337
OH THANK YOU!!!
Sweetness overload!
love to hear babies laughing!!
I was amazed at the ability of the babies, very young, to mimic their dads. And of course, their delightful laughter.
My son, “flies” his little boy around the room like an airplane, and the baby just giggles, and giggles and giggles. Pure joy.
me too ladyp… a real eye-opener !
Pure joy is right.
Thank you lady, you made my endorphins flow…
Dads and babies! Weird that the deranged abortion pink hats never ever even mention the fathers that also were part of the miracle of conception. Male and female created the life but females only are the judge of the life or death ?
A little deep thought on such a cute lighthearted video .
Grnning a mile wide 🥰😍😍😘
Absolutely priceless. Tears of joy as I read.
How about more things you would like to say at work….but can’t?
How about never? Is never good for you?
I’m out of my mind but feel free to leave a message.
It sounds like English but I can’t understand a word you’re saying.
Ahhhh….I see the screw-up fairy has visited us again….
You are validating my inherent mistrust of strangers.
I have plenty of talent and vision. I just don’t give a damn!
Thank you. We’re all refreshed and challenged by your unique point of view.
The fact that no one understands you doesn’t mean you’re an artist.
Any connection between your reality and mine is purely coincidental.
What am I? Flypaper for freaks??!!??
I’m not being rude. You’re just insignificant.
Do I look like a people person?
thanks!
gotta print these out for hubby!!
I hit LIKE for the humor, not the sentiment of all those quips NB.
wheatietoo and others who viewed MilSpec Ops Monkey’s TL yesterday wrt Helicopter activity, etc in L.A.
He has promised THREAD up — click on tweet
https://twitter.com/MilspecP/status/1093716367742775297
Oh wow…MK Ultra? Bronfman?
That could be a link to that NXIVM cult and child sex trafficking.
https://twitter.com/MilspecP/status/1093716443898761216
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Wolf is gonna love this.
MilSpec OPS Monkey says he is still diggin’ … meanwhile, I found this link in comment section. This guy follows MILSpec Ops Monkey, but he is not mil… he is associated w/ film industry… so he has a video on MilSpec Ops Monkey’s dig along with his own diggin’ . So, y’all might want to give this a look.
https://twitter.com/IPOT1776/status/1093786661635293185
WOW. This is making sense. Post 1/1/19, things are happening.
I can’t help but think that “Keebler” was/is a much sharper cookie than we think or know…
I felt very sorry for that guy. I watched them begin to target him in the standard way (“gangstalking”, a term I don’t like, because their “gangs” are quite puny, and what they have is actually a LOT weaker hand than most victims realize), and he had no ability to deal with it. He knew he was being targeted, but he was very unwise to their methodologies, and how to properly evade targeting and retain credibility.
Again, because of my experiences that I kept hidden for SO LONG, the other side was never quite sure how much I knew, and tended to operate on the presumption that I didn’t know much, and wasn’t spotting much.
WRONG.
Now, they’re in a very uncomfortable spot, with Trump in control of so much of the machinery that, in the past, they could either USE or FREEZE.
Having lived a long time right in their gunsights, I came to learn that they are surprisingly small in number and weak in power, but they MAGNIFY in Alinsky style, and generate fear where there really shouldn’t be any.
The problem for us now is that they have a lot of useful idiots who can be used to create a Soviet-like American socialist movement – likely with the old Soviet hatred of Israel, which is less nasty than the Nazis, but still nothing to celebrate. They will treat the citizens of American Flyover Land like they treated those of the Ukraine. Meaning DEATH.
Open borders allows the creation of a Soviet state. It allows EXACTLY what the Russian revolution allowed. People need to understand that. It allows the “Red Dawn” scenario – a “peaceful invasion” by world communism. Please note that this is EXACTLY what they did in Chile under Allende. Invited in the Marxist trouble from everywhere.
Very tricky. And they have NOT been flushed out of DOJ and FBI. And obviously not the House of Commies.
I have to take Haspel’s word that the White Hats are making progress in CIA. But I’m starting to suspect that they actually ARE making progress.
Here’s the Thread Reader link for Milspec’s thread:
I’m not buying this. It’s a training exercise. Two points: the street is blocked off – note the cop car at the intersection. One group of operators exiting the building to be evac’ed is strolling. You would not have to be a great shot to pick off at least two of them during their ‘walk’ to the helo.
Everything might be right about Giraldi — OR — the ‘bad guy scenario’ might be a created disinfo cover tale for something else. We really have no way of knowing but I will say this – combining to speculations to reach a conclusion is always risky and almost never necessary. To me it’s a sign of impatience.
to speculations s/b two speculations
We did it again!! Hilarious!!
What can I say?
Hope you’re feelin’ better today…
Thinking of you … loss is hard. Hang in there.
Im fine!!! Lot of perspective today…🤣😎
I got on his butt for the CONSTANT “teasing”, btw, in my first, hmm, “rebuttal” to him.
I’d felt like he was “branding” you, and told him I thought is was “WAY PAST” old. How many times was that the single reply of his to you?
Teasing is ok – constant, repeated, monotone NEEDLING isn’t ok. Not in my book, anyway.
2-3 weeks ago, I think I “lit the fire”.
Oops …
ES–Tonawanda’s Post! LOL!! and your right–It was a unsettling at first–but I’m tough–Appreciate you taking up for me!!
“I’m tough”
‘Course you’re tough! That ain’t the point, though.
Guys see through guys’ stuff, just as gals see through gals’ stuff. The “stuff” that works on the other sex, that is.
“unsettling at first”
Yup.
I am so sorry, Marica!
I thought you liked Steve’s teasing.
If I had known you were getting sick of it…I would’ve asked him to knock it off.
You were just being a good sport about it, though, weren’t you.
Sorry, Marica.
No worries wheatie! Sometimes It was funny–sometimes not so much..I just didn’t want to be “branded”–but then I accepted it–I think we all learned a bunch about this whole “online experience..” This site is chock full of GREAT people!!! Tonawanda made the most honest comment of all!! Reality check!! I sincerely hope we all get to meet in person one day!! Great hearts and souls here!!!😘
Aww…well I still feel bad that I didn’t see what was going on.
And you’re right!
We have some Great Q-tree peeps here!
Typed words–even with emojis 😎 are Never going to add up to human contact… That’s why #WeMeet!
That is very true, Marica. Important to remember that.
Sincerely hope so, too, Marica. Sorry if I joked too much about it all, would not have done so if I hadn’t thought you were enjoying the joke. Don’t know if Steve at least had a kind parting word for you, but he should have.
ZOE–Sweet words–and thank you!! I Did enjoy the joke!! Love you guys beyond the Wolf Moon!!! 😊
Tweetland is hopping today.
https://twitter.com/HeshmatAlavi/status/1093923352920637440
Gov Huckabee has such a wonderful wit…
IKR?
here in America, that’s not how we roll…if we’re going out in 12 years…we go out with a helluva red, white & blue bang…not a chintzy little green whimper!
Randy Quaid reads POTUS tweets…with dramatic emphasis:
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😆
See, this stuff is FUNNY!
Whereas Carrey’s “humor” is psychotic.
“The Left can’t meme …”
(Wish WP would allow me to ‘like’)
LIKE (very much)
Quaid is so good.
I’ve wondered if his ‘crazy wacko’ routine is just an act…for self preservation.
He fled to Canada because he said he “knew too much” and people were after him.
Then…he’s been doing this ‘crazy conspiracy theorist’ routine ever since.
He’s not a threat as long as people think he’s crazy and therefore, dismiss what he says. Right?
So he’s safe as long as people think he’s crazy.
life imitates art?
In Independence Day, they all thought his alien stories were crazy, till they showed up…then he saved the world…
That’s right!
There were even guys rolling their eyes when he mentioned being abducted…in that hangar scene, where they were getting ready to go fight the aliens.
Haaa.
hello boys….I’m baaaaaaack!
lol
Has Milspec’s thread been discussed and I missed it?
More to come…
1) Having been a member of many sites for many years, I have seen many dramatic goodbyes. I have not seen one yet which did not strike me as (at least) faintly ridiculous. Maybe I am just a cold-hearted b@st@rd.
2) The Fond Farewells always seem unwarranted and an emotional indulgence, like Huck Finn attending his own funeral.
3) It is a peculiar sort of “relationship” a poster builds with other posters while posting on a site, if it is a relationship at all.
4) Just my opinion, but I believe there is more information and sense of a person which could be gleaned by being in their presence for an hour, than by reading 5000 of their posts. Again JMO, but I believe that most of us would not be at all like the picture people drew in their heads based on posts alone.
5) Sometimes when a poster gets into an extended dispute with another poster and gets no support from other posters while his posterior is getting kicked around, there are residual hurt feelings, resentments.
6) I have to say the reasons Steve gave did not match up with anything I ever saw. He was held in high esteem and praised quite often. I have never seen anyone try to convert anyone else, nor have I seen anyone attacked on that basis.
7) Inclusio unius est exclusio alterious. Steve was praised and got so much positive attention, it occurred to me that some posters could very well have felt left out and isolated. That is the “danger” of saying “I love A, B, C and D.” What about E?
8) I am NOT saying Steve did not deserve the praise and attention, he surely did. I just note the irony: his tone versus the reality of his “position” within the blog.
9) People are concerned about the safety of POTUS and the fate of America. The Christian response is to pray, and to give mutual encouragement.
10) And there is very little space on the internet where one can speak openly as a Christian in a political context.
11) It’s the exclusive job of the Holy Spirit to “convert” people, so we don’t have to worry about that part.
12) There is more I could say about the particulars, but it would be pointless.
13) No one is asking my advice, but here it is anyway. If you are going to “leave” a blog based on grievances and perceived slights, just leave. If you are leaving because you are going to die in two weeks, ask for people’s prayers and tell them how much you enjoyed their “company.”
If the reading and posting is getting you all down and taking your mind to dark places then you really need to get out. Cut the cord and move on. On a good day half of this is all crap and BS anyway. Plus, its Friday.
Thanks for your thoughts, Tonawanda. I am in agreement.
Tona–Reality Check!!! Huck Finns Funeral!🤣 That was a Matt Whitaker Post!! Do you, sir, eat nails for breakfast? TY
Good thoughts! We are here because of exactly what we are doing. A certain camaraderie develops, and we enjoy it, but it is no more or less than what it is.
That said, I appreciate Steve letting us know not to expect him back soon. Based on the length of his typical posts, his goodbye was about right.
“If you are leaving because you are going to die” was my first thought and then just sadness.
“11) It’s the exclusive job of the Holy Spirit to “convert” people, so we don’t have to worry about that part.”
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Tonawanda, not sure I understand that part.
I agree that it is the power of God’s Word to convert, but are we not to do our part?
“For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved. [14] How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher? [15] And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!” (Romans 10:13-15, KJV)
“But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear:” (1 Peter 3:15)
“Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.” (2 Timothy 4:2)
“For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.” (1 Cor 1:18)
“For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.” (1 Cor 1:21)
RUH ROH!
https://twitter.com/thecjpearson/status/1093983952099069952
oh man…they’re not being represented by Avenatti are they???
Pat LOLOL!!
This makes me happy. Not because of the poor woman he assaulted, but it drives another stake in the heart of the Democrat Party – at least temporarily – in Virginia. And we do have elections coming up in November!
Aaannnnnnnnddddd we have a second accuser for Lt Gov of Virginia, Fairfax.
And, we have reports of contemporary conversations by Dr. Tyson which appear to confirm her side of the story.
Being reported by FOX, which means other outlets have had the info for over 24 hours.
They’re usually the last to confirm.
So lets see how this plays out. The Black Lt Gov gets forced out while Coonman the Gov gets to stay in place. Glad I gave up popcorn.
Maybe they’ll have AOC come out with a new Green Plan or arrest PTrump’s golf caddie for diversion… Hey, I know..Stormy’s been quiet for awhile, surely she can come up with something
she’s at the beach with friends…recalling that moment when Fairfax sexually assaulted her too…Avenatti is ON IT!
lolol..that’s funny…good one
Cohen the attorney will testify before the House that DJT directed him to pay for Stormy’s last boob job.
but didn’t Tyson say she wasn’t going to pursue charges?
Not her choice, actually. It would be up to prosecutor in MA as it happened at the DNC convention in Boston.
well with so many Dems screaming for a full investigation that shouldn’t be a problem!
Can you believe this? Wow.
“up to prosecutor in MA”
I won’t hold my breath …
Exactly. Never happen.
Hah! Northam taking advantage of this. The Hill reporting that he has decided that he most certainly will not resign.
The sexual assault charges are actual legal issues vs the blackface and Klan costume, though abhorrent, they weren’t illegal. Of course, the great moral issue, infanticide, that’s still on the table – but first we have to wake the people up – and then wake the Courts up.
Hmm…it definitely *did* seem like a coordinated attack.
https://twitter.com/TheSharpEdge1/status/1093967569755660292
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“Panic in DC.”
Come on Q-team…it’s time to bring the Pain!
We have to get the deadline for the Wall behind us…
and 44 judges confirmed, along with AG Barr…
both of which should happen next week…
then Mueller needs to close shop…
Then…..
Nunes trolling? learn to code? LOL
@DevinNunes On @IngrahamAngle: “I don’t know what this cottage industry of press in DC (created around Trump/Russia witch hunt) are going to do They are not going to have a job They are going to have to learn code or something”😎 pic.twitter.com/FV9LM55y1A
— PolishPatriot™️ (@PolishPatriotTM) February 8, 2019
God bless, protect and grant massive favor to Rep Devin Nunes!!!
Rut Roh, new Victim coming forward accusing Fairfax of rape in 2000.
It is interesting that all of these bombshell news grabbers stall anyone from asking about Ginsberg. SCOTUS had the ruling the other day and hardly anyone questioned how she participated…is she working from home? Video conferencing?
It might even appear that her invisible attendance at the concert was supposed to be proof of life and soundness of mind. Fail!
https://twitter.com/SiddonsDan/status/1093984825105674240
Young CJ has a THREAD
https://twitter.com/thecjpearson/status/1093986966587301888
Link to Candace’s TL where you’ll find Chelsea’s tweets – remember to remove * before you click
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Tweets by RealCandaceO
And Alan Dersh. (democrat that has defended PDJT publicly) may get justice too.
Gheez, the Obama admin did everything possible to poison the water for the Trump Admin.
And we thought the Clinton admin were jerks for ripping off all the “W” keys on the computers and trashing the offices.
https://twitter.com/Happy_Minds1/status/1093985663853182976
Well said AAG Whitakar.
https://twitter.com/NettyOToole/status/1093951480695083008
Addressing issue of infanticide/abortion.
Whitaker: “As an American citizen I am very concerned”.
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Well that’s lovely.
As American citizens, we’re ALL concerned.
But there’s something different about you, something different between you and us.
Now what could it be…
I know!
You’re the Attorney General of the United States, and we aren’t!
That means unlike us, you are in a position to ACT on that concern.
In fact, you have an OBLIGATION to do so.
How is it possible that Whitaker was allowed to get away with the answer he gave?
Congress doesn’t have to pass any new law against MURDER.
The Laws against MURDER have been on the books since before America was discovered.
Long before.
Thousands of years before.
You have democrats talking publicly about MURDERING American citizens AFTER they are born, AFTER they come out of the womb.
We don’t need any new laws from Criminalgress to address that, Mr. Whitaker.
In your capacity as acting AG, you can and should make it clear in no uncertain terms that if anyone murders an American citizen, or ANY human being in the United States, that person will be held accountable to the Law.
Why is this like pulling teeth?
Holy Cow! One of those weeks when I feel like we are cresting the top of that roller coaster!
Reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
I’m going to add 10 points to this…because I think that would be more accurate.
I concur… would be more accurate.
Little Eric Swilwall was positively flummoxed.
Hah.
“Mr. Chairman…he hasn’t answered the question!”
Oh boo hoo, little Eric.
He answered you…just not the way you wanted him to!
Swilwall hehehe has one of “those” faces. All smirky and self important. Reminds me of Mark Warner.
Mark Warner Jr.!!!
I would really love to teach him some manners. How to show respect. I do a lot of dog training with clickers and treats. I envision a different methodology to use here, however.
The electric cattle prod as used by the BOFH on El Reg? (to call a spade a spade) (OK, at least I tried to avoid a pun there)…
Why is it that Kalifornistan has the most evil, depraved, dishonest, and deceptive congress-critters?
Swallowell, Speier, Boxer, Feind-stein, Max Maxine, Piglosi… the list goes on, and on, and on.
Were CA to fall into the ocean, I believe that the ocean would spit it back out… (and yes, I know the San Andreas, etc., is a slip-strike fault, having lived on it, so there’s no hope that the Pacific will help cleanse the state)…
I picture your SHOVEL!! But that’s just me!🤣😘
I WILL miss the Superhero Pic of you BTW…
Sigh. Me too. It definitely showed my best side, LOL.
It does show your best side…always makes me wish that I had a signature weapon so i could be a sexy fighter too but it’s so hard to spice up a spatula. The old trusty wooden spoon too…lol..the kids still laugh about that.
Oh well guess the .357 will have to do!
Meet a fellow warrior for Freedom.
Last post in the thread.
https://twitter.com/AwardsDarwin/status/1093968839497396224
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You knew that was going to happen, didn’t you.
“You knew that was going to happen, didn’t you.”
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I did. 😁
Disgusting! Chelsea Clinton Launches Racist, Anti-Semitic Attack On Candace Owens
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2019/02/disgusting-chelsea-clinton-launches-racist-anti-semitic-attack-on-candace-owens/
Oh, Candace! She didn’t even need a shovel! Good job, my dear! You are a warrior!
😉
I dug into this. BUZZFEED set her up. It’s EVIL. Communist Fake News is truly EVIL.
Back from having his physical.
LOL was just about to post this!!! 🙂
He’s looking more and more like Winston Churchill.
I love that picture and POTUS looks as if the chair was made for him.😄
He’s mu-u-uch better looking than Churchill, though.
Trump said it and Kid Rock Sings it Loud and Proud!
Trump: “America Will Never Be A Socialist Country”; “We Were Born Free And We Will Stay Free”
I Love that song…..and like to play it too 🙂
Especially this line:
I will CELEBRATE GODS LOVE ON ME!
(I was Born FREE)
A favorite of mine, too especially if I need a “mood booster” when I’m in the midst of stuff that has the potential to turn out very right or very wrong and I need to get back to basics….
https://twitter.com/DavidWaddell5/status/1093956957801775105
I bet Shelia Jackson Lee wishes Jackson Cosko was still around to dox Whitaker’s family and threaten them like he did during the Kav debacle.
Answer (Damn it)….. Yes or No……
Repeat….
Next Inquisitor…..
Repeat….
Next Inquisitor…..
Repeat….
Next Inquisitor…..
Repeat….
MY opinion?
If YOU are a DEMONIC-rat…..
EFF YOU!
They were sneering and condescending, rushing him because they only had 5 minutes, but asking gotcha questions that required explanatory answers. It was the worst I’ve seen. Complete disrespect. They are out for blood from anyone connected to the Trump administration. It was a travesty today. It was not oversight, as they say, but an extended branch of the witchhunt.
House of Commies. It will be one of our BEST tools in 2020.
Why would she have a painting of the devil, devouring people, above her mantle?
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This is Lady Rothschild, or Lynn Forrester de Rothschild.
These people are evil.
Wow. Has Snopes “debunked” yet? Better hurry up!
LOL…yes, they’ll have to do some pretzeling but if anyone can..they can!
I can see it now…. “These types of paintings were common during the Victorian period, when they were very popular with EXTREMELY RELIGIOUS PEOPLE OF MEANS. BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BHAL BAAL BAAL BAAL….”
Wolfie, that was good.
I remember as a kid ibserving painting that were far more detailed and graphic. I cant remember the artist. Fascinating to see tge depictions of hell and what will happen if you stray.
But to plkace this over your mantle, where people would put family photos or samplers of needlepoint Bible phrases instead is hideous.
This is what is important to her and a focus of her life. I want to vomit.
I’m not yet assuming it’s “real” at 100%. HOWEVER, way over 50%. Given that the Podesta “art” collection is so horrifying, as is the 9/11 celebratory pride and joy belonging to Christian Amanpour, I can easily believe the Rothschilds have “weird” taste in art.
I see what you did there…
😉
Have you seen the Murals at the Denver Airport?
whoa! I just looked it up. VERY strange. Can’t believe nobody has sussed out who paid for it
This whole WORLD is full of DEMONIC “wonders”….
“WE” have been LIED to so much that it will take a Herculean effort to “Right” the ship.
Pray
Judging from the proportions, that’s a CHILD being eaten… Moloch, indeed…
CERTIFIED! 500+
Pres Trump got a thumbs up from the doctors.
https://twitter.com/Breaking911/status/1094006724179185664
I wonder if she makes a decent martini ? Chances are she’ll be looking for employment in a year
I rather expect the only kind of drink she can make is Turkish coffee, the kind with the grounds still in it…
It’s all good now……….
.https://twitter.com/realhublife/status/1093999283873837056
Just posted that on Fleps thread..Funny!!!
LOL, what’s next he has to watch Tyler Perry’s Madea movies!
That’s beautiful!
The next fad?
😝😝😝😝😝😝😝😝
https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/aon8fm/the_left_is_going_to_kill_cows_for_farting_and/?utm_source=reddit-android
Theres a store here already selling noodles made from insects… and the greens are pushing worm protein and insects as viable food sources….
I wonder if they realize that something like 75% of all the methane released into the atmosphere comes from termites???
(Actually, I hope not, because they might accidentally connect the dots, do some correct math for once, and recommend that folks eat termites as food…).
I went into a fancy food store with my grandma as a kid…every wierd bug, egg, parts of animals, all called delicacies. 😝 Its like calling diamonds rare, convince people and they believe it.
This triggered my gag reflex just thinking about it!
Wait… What……
Milk from a DEMONIC-rat?
The BEST Viewing of the day! Probably a double post–But its worth it!!
https://twitter.com/Shem_Infinite/status/1094002528109248513
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Confirmation.
Netflix paying 10 million for the life story of AOC
https://nypost.com/2019/02/07/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-doc-bought-by-netflix-for-10m/?fbclid=IwAR3Dt_IVTeBhOqPV3CugFQ99esWIpFzmeDKQoD8Gf8YVzjDVLY4dIhtwCyY
This is how they RECYCLE the money into politics.
DO. NOT. CONSUME. COMMUNIST. MEDIA.
Exactly! And people think Soros spends his own $, NO he spends our $! 🤦♀️
Truth.
Hey Wolfie, speaking of Communist Media. I have to mention something to you. The History Channel (which 20 years ago was awesome and then I think got bought out by a bunch of Commies or something) has a new series called Project Blue Book.
It is like a period X Files. Kind of. Except that the events are based on true situations that were covered by Project Blue Book which I assumed you are familiar with.
I’ve always loved SciFi, and as a nerdy little girl with large glasses I discovered a paperback copy of Project Blue Book on my uncle’s bookshelf. I read it because it promised to tell the truth about UFOs.
Well, that was probably in the late 1960s or early 70s and there’s been a lot of water under the bridge since then. But I thought back to a thread you had up here where we were discussing alien life possibility and the cover up by the government, etc. And I seem to remember as part of the discussion a sort of general, “Oh my gosh how will people react” sort of thing.
And along comes this bit of …television entertainment.
I suspect that some kind of disclosure is part of The Plan. Just a hunch. The release of DOD videos of “unknown craft” for no apparent reason was a signal, IMO, to all parties, as well as very calculated psy-op.
There are certain things that now “make sense” in a “future proves past” way, that tell me that there IS stuff to disclose.
I have a complicated attitude toward these matters. Depending on the levels of future disclosure, I may choose to share some of my thoughts. 😎
In the meanwhile, I will continue to joke about the need for the Moon Doctrine and two space forces, as well as to throw racial slurs at pencil-necked grays and their little BZZZZ-BZZZZ machinations. 😉
I myself have no clue. What is apparent is there has been layers of disinformation and lying and cover up. I just don’t know what has been covered up and am not really sure I want to know.
But I am learning to sniff out suspicious stuff in the atmosphere and not just ignore it, and the timing of this TV series seemed rather convenient. It has gotten some buzz because some good actors were cast and it has an interesting Cold War tie in naturally because of the era.
I will say this. I believe that Trump was recruited not so much to DESTROY the establishment as to CLEAN IT UP. I believe he has been convinced by the White Hats that the system is not so much WRONG as ABUSED, PERVERTED, and BROKEN. They appealed to his FIXER mentality (smartly) and Trump convinced himself (important) that the “leave it but fix it” attitude was the proper one. This is also in accord with the fundamental belief in the rightness of the American Experiment.
Thus we see Hollywood being repurposed rather than destroyed. The MAGA is seeping in, starting with what looks to me a lot like “white hat propaganda”.
So I think you definitely spotted something there.
What an interesting theory. I suspect you are correct. I think PDJT is too much a patriot to countenance demo’ing the system and starting over. He’d want to save it, fix it, refurbish it lovingly. Sort of like what he did to the old Post Office in DC.
I consider myself a Patriot, too, but probably most of you can tell patience isn’t one of my virtues. I’d be whacking the system to smithereens by now out of sheer anger and frustration.
I keep seeing glimpses and catching whiffs of things going on that I would have either not noticed before or ignored. Now I stop to look and wonder a bit. I think there is a whole lot going on under the surface that we just don’t really see yet or quite understand what it is that we are seeing.
I do not for a minute believe that all of the peculiar dramas (and I include Roger Stone’s arrest in this pot) that we have seen unfold in the last couple months are bizarre coincidences and unusual circumstances and the most gosh darn peculiar by products of whatever.
I’m not smart enough and I can’t see the whole patterns and connect all the dots but I can see enough to tell there are things going on that are meaningful and important.
It frustrates the heck out of me almost daily, but for now it has to be enough to see this activity and know there is much behind this that we don’t know and can’t know.
And if there is finally some white hat propaganda emerging all I can say is hallelujah and thank heavens. We could use some. The black hats have had it all their way for entirely too long.
<3 you Wolfie.
Yeah, History Channel is now owned by Disney and Hearst Corp…in a 50-50 joint ownership.
It used to be great though.
Now it is laced with leftist indoctrination BS.
I have wondered if that new show, ‘Project Blue Book’. is any good.
Have you watched it, Syl?
Yes I have. So far Project Blue Book is pretty good, which has left me kind of surprised and waiting for the big reveal of some kind of SJW nastiness. But that hasn’t happened yet.
I’m kind of a sucker for period drama. I love to look at the old fashions in clothing and home decor and stuff like that.
I couldn’t recall who had bought the History Channel but it made me sad because it sure changed after that happened. Like so much else it became unwatchable.
Thanks, Syl…I’ll check it out.
I enjoy period settings too, the fashions and old classic cars.
I think A&E bought History Channel first…then A&E got bought by TimeWarner, then they sold it off to it’s present owners.
Did you see the articles out this week about Netflix paying Zero Taxes?
Yeah.
They love them some Dem politicians who want to tax us to death.
But then…they avail themselves of every loophole and tax avoidance maneuver…and Pay Zero Taxes!
Leftists are such hypocrites!
Sum was paid for a documentary film at Sundance.
AOC was one of four women and the only one who won.
“The website said it was the largest sum ever brokered at a film festival for a documentary.
Of the four contenders, only Ocasio-Cortez won.”
I saw that and knew exactly aha! So what is her cut? Is she that easy to buy off OR will she reject the money and go total commie on them? I suppose it depends on how much dsa support she has and how big her ego really is.
Taking the money would be sort of capitalistic, though. Surely she wouldn’t do that.
Another YUGE drug bust – 1.7 TONS of meth, cocaine and heroin!
Thank God for ICE, CBP and LE willing to enforce our laws!
And our AMERICAN PATRIOT MILITARY!
I think it was wheatietoo who put up url to Steve’s blog, in response to a request from someone.
Went over and checked it out. Most articles are on religion.
He has a list of archived articles… alphabetically, so “Abortion” is listed at the top.
According to his view, abortion is definitely not murder… there is no ‘person’. There is “a fertilized egg” – a zygote.
I refuse to make a judgment about his views or ‘analyze’ why he left. My first comment was to Marica on yesterday’s daily thread, immediately after his Fare Well article was posted. In essence I commented that I felt he was very uncomfortable here, and that being the case. his decision to leave was a healthy one.
And I want to be clear about my reasons for this post. Some here are feeling very guilty about his departure, thinking it was the exchange about ‘infanticide’. I don’t believe that at all.
I believe the reasons were as he stated in his final post… he was not comfortable here.
There is too much ‘discomfort’ in the world. Wherever possible, it is healthy for us mentally to avoid interactions which cause us to be uncomfortable.
Here is link to his article for those who might wish to read.
https://letreasonreign.wordpress.com/2012/04/07/how-not-to-argue-for-abortion-rights/
Thanks!!!
I no longer stand by that article, and I don’t blame you for condemning me for it. I’m so embarrassed by it today I decided to do damage control. I explain where I’m at as of right now on this issue here:
https://wqth.wordpress.com/2019/02/09/dear-maga-20190209-open-topic/#comment-68083
You might disagree with my current stance as well, but at least our disagreement would be in the here and now.
I’m going to respond to every comment in this sub-thread to be sure everyone who posted here sees it.
Phonic I read and now I understand.
I no longer stand by that article, and I don’t blame you for condemning me for it. I’m so embarrassed by it today I decided to do damage control. I explain where I’m at as of right now on this issue here:
https://wqth.wordpress.com/2019/02/09/dear-maga-20190209-open-topic/#comment-68083
You might disagree with my current stance as well, but at least our disagreement would be in the here and now.
I’m going to respond to every comment in this sub-thread to be sure everyone who posted here sees it.
Zygote….. MY ASS!
It is a BABY…..
I know MANY here like(d) Steve and HIS COINS……
I will come out and say it……
Good Riddance
I prefer fellowship with fellow BELIEVERS!
Even if we disagree on doctrine.
I will NOT take my ball and go home
I would have preferred he stayed so that he could be won over …
True….. as would I…
But you can lead a horse to water….
but can NOT make him drink.
(Or something like that)
I no longer stand by that article, and I don’t blame you for condemning me for it. I’m so embarrassed by it today I decided to do damage control. I explain where I’m at as of right now on this issue here:
https://wqth.wordpress.com/2019/02/09/dear-maga-20190209-open-topic/#comment-68083
You might disagree with my current stance as well, but at least our disagreement would be in the here and now.
I’m going to respond to every comment in this sub-thread to be sure everyone who posted here sees it.
I no longer stand by that article, and I don’t blame you for condemning me for it. I’m so embarrassed by it today I decided to do damage control. I explain where I’m at as of right now on this issue here:
https://wqth.wordpress.com/2019/02/09/dear-maga-20190209-open-topic/#comment-68083
You might disagree with my current stance as well, but at least our disagreement would be in the here and now.
I’m going to respond to every comment in this sub-thread to be sure everyone who posted here sees it.
Yes, indeed. Steve’s disagreement with the term “infanticide” is now clearer.
The left’s push to legalise late term abortion and to also refuse to endorse the protection of a baby’s life after a failed abortion is obviously a step so far over the line that Steve could see the writing on the wall for Roe V Wade.
He appears to have attempted to defend the indefensible in order to preserve an “ideal” – one that simply could not be sustained by logic. Logic being his thing, he exited stage left …
I no longer stand by that article, and I don’t blame you for condemning me for it. I’m so embarrassed by it today I decided to do damage control. I explain where I’m at as of right now on this issue here:
https://wqth.wordpress.com/2019/02/09/dear-maga-20190209-open-topic/#comment-68083
You might disagree with my current stance as well, but at least our disagreement would be in the here and now.
I’m going to respond to every comment in this sub-thread to be sure everyone who posted here sees it.
“I believe the reasons were as he stated in his final post… he was not comfortable here.”
Yes, after checking out his site, he is steeped in atheism, and he firmly believes in abortion, which differs from most here. Its interesting because many with his beliefs are on the Left. I didn’t see any current posts on his site.
I no longer stand by that article, and I don’t blame you for condemning me for it. I’m so embarrassed by it today I decided to do damage control. I explain where I’m at as of right now on this issue here:
https://wqth.wordpress.com/2019/02/09/dear-maga-20190209-open-topic/#comment-68083
You might disagree with my current stance as well, but at least our disagreement would be in the here and now.
I’m going to respond to every comment in this sub-thread to be sure everyone who posted here sees it.
No condemnation from me! Good to see you, and thanks for your reply.
I no longer stand by that article, and I don’t blame you for condemning me for it. I’m so embarrassed by it today I decided to do damage control. I explain where I’m at as of right now on this issue here:
https://wqth.wordpress.com/2019/02/09/dear-maga-20190209-open-topic/#comment-68083
You might disagree with my current stance as well, but at least our disagreement would be in the here and now.
I’m going to respond to every comment in this sub-thread to be sure everyone who posted here sees it.
https://twitter.com/LisaMei62/status/1094044914432860161
Thats exactly what i thought it was. Its so blatant. And im not well versed in the text itself.
The whole ‘global-warming-no-wait-it’s-climate-change’ is a scheme to Redistribute Wealth…from the middle class of Western countries, to the coffers of SoComs.
Under the guise of ‘helping developing countries’ the SoComs in charge of UN programs, and other aid agencies…would be in charge of those funds.
It’s funny how they never seem to do any good, though.
Thank God our VSG President saw right through their Paris Climate Accord scam!
Even Rājendra “Pachy” Pachauri, from the UN IPCC, admitted as much (that it was a weatlh redistribution scheme), but the YSM,as could be expected) buried it…Ironically he’s in trouble for sexual misconduct… what IS it with these libtard perverts?
James Delingpole has been exposing this scam since the days of “Climategate 1” and “Climategate 2”, both of whiich were leaks from a programmer there who “couldn’t take it anymore”, and was disgusted about having to massage the data to get it to fit their expected results. Steve Goddard (aka Tony Heller) said that you could put ANY data into their models, and the same “hockey stick” would come out as a result. UEA (uni East Anglia), “the State Penn”, and other
prosti-institutions claimed it was a hack. NO, it wasn”t, it was a leak. (Gee, where have I heard that excuse before? Anyone remember Hill-the-BEAST and Seth Rich?).There was a third tranch of even more damning emails and exchanges, which was released in a passworded .zip file to (IIRC) 12 people; or maybe the file was released openly, but the passwords were sent to those 12. In any case, they were strongarmed into not releasing any more mails, data, or info.
This, and the tale of “Harry Readme” is on WUWT, Climate Audit, and probably a few other climate sites (including those of the warmunists, from an obviously hostile viewpoint, though). It’s been a while (2009?) though. The Manniac has had Mark Steyn tied up in court (DC circuit, I think) (but they’re anything but straight) since then…
Yet another case of the USA and “the West” has to bail out the less fortunate, erm, pay off the warlords and terrorists, who do the gloalists’ dirty deeds…
chrome-extension://oemmndcbldboiebfnladdacbdfmadadm/https://www.oecd.org/dac/stats/documentupload/2%20Africa%20-%20Development%20Aid%20at%20a%20Glance%202015.pdf
page 5 is a chart that will show in billion$ how much we have sent over to africa. Current population there is 1.3 billion. Where’s the progress?
There’s the fellow with the gumball analogy who explains BRILLIANTLY why sending money to the third world will do utterly nothing to help them, but everything to ruin us. It is financially impossible to improve the third world’s lot without teaching them to help themselves; i.e. it’s not just a financial problem, it’s a cultural problem. And both the warlords and the globalists want them poor, and want US poor, too.
It’s the old “give a man a fish” versus “teach a man to fish” problem. And so long as you only give a man a fish, you have HIM on the hook, forever…
Thank you! This is PRECISELY TRUE. The communists are fully aware of this, as well.
This is, by the way, why the PRESIDENT WOLF MOON solution of sending one ARMED COLONIST for every illegal immigrant CURES these countries.
Why did communists fight colonialism?
BECAUSE IT WORKS. 😎
Seriously, I’m not a believer in colonialism as it is generally practiced, to TAKE ADVANTAGE of less developed nations. But colonialism which helps people help themselves and decide things for themselves, above board and at their invitation, NOT taking resources, but teaching people how to SELL their resources at TOP PRICE, does not bother me at all.
And likewise, if people FUCK WITH US by colonizing us, I do believe that it gives us a right to FUCK BACK with the origin militarily.
So watch out who you let out of your countries, or into ours. One illegal immigrant, one armed colonist or military operative back. One spy, two spies back. Maybe three.
DO. NOT. FUCK. WITH. AMERICA.
And be glad you have President Trump, because anything happens to him, Presidential Candidate Wolf Moon, who wants to make Jair Bolsonaro look like a flaming liberal, is waiting in the wings. :wink::
There is nothing “Green” about this “new deal”, not even the packaging (ref watermelon analogy), so we should call it what it is, the “Red Commie Con”.
Increasing atmospheric CO2 is stimulating plant growth,especially noticeable in arid areas. So any policies limiting increase in atmospheric CO2 is the antithesis of “green”. This is a statement of verifiable fact.
Furthermore, the alternative (to combustion of fossil fuels) generating systems being proposed, largely “renewable” energy systems, are typically being sited in rural environs, leading to an industrialisation of nature (or rural landscapes, if you prefer). Again, nothing “green” about the solutions being promoted.
So those who question the motives behind this “Con” would have sound reasons so doing …
Yep. I used to travel around Europe all the time on business (driving), and in Holland they had these GINORMOUS greenhouses. When they weren’t shoving manure, etc., by the ton into them, they were pumping them full of CO², something on the order of 1200-1400ppm. And yep, people could work in that concentration. There are places on the web that sell the CO² injection kit, and they have great explanations of what the benefits are (of course some of that is marketing spiel, but still)…
I would consider it an honor to be in her foxhole.
Same here. She is someone I really admire.
God bless, protect and grant strength to this powerful woman!
Amen t3
I researched this. Buzzfeed set Owens up with extremely bogus journalism. The fake news media FED the Clintons a “Hitler” NARRATIVE just like when they fed Hillary that line about “they all look the same”.
These people are not news. They are PROPAGANDISTS who LIE and DISTORT.
I believe that Buzzfeed actually CONSPIRED to create the smear.
Buzzfeed is the Ba$tard spawn of CNN and Media Matters… Word is that CNN uses them to “test” false narratives before going public themselves. Wonder if BF got the news of the Stone raid early, too???
(I suspect they were told to leave no Stone unturned)…
Oh, this is interesting!
Blexit!….. If You have a BRAIN
In case you missed Lou Dobbs Tonight, he had John Solomon on and they discussed the weird meeting that little Schitt had with Fusion GPS azzhat Glenn Simpson.
I expected things would happen starting in January. What we are getting is NOT what I expected. Not my a long chalk. Or even what I had hoped for. But what we are getting is intriguing, is it not? And wow there is sure a lot of information that is getting out there that is helpful to understanding the President’s side of things even without DECLAS. I wonder…
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Wolfie, hey, hey.
Great thread!
Wolfie, I always enjoy looking at this. 🙂
https://twitter.com/Kelly62317572/status/1094075422793494528
Wolfie!! THIS!!!!
It’s interesting, but it’s largely a “stop Gab” effort, in my opinion.
Not true free speech. Saul blocked me for having posted support for Tommy Robinson when he was jailed. (Not even sure how he knew.) I thought it was a rather cheap virtue signal, but more than that, I simply don’t trust that group to TRULY support free speech. Not like I am going to. I like them, but they’re not as strong on Free Speech as I am.
I may open an account, but I will continue to support Gab as a REAL free speech platform.
gotcha!!! Gab looks like the place…It is gonna be interesting to see where our POTUS goes…
Nevertheless, I signed up at that place anyway, so thanks for alerting me! I want to test it out and see what it’s like. Appreciate the tip!!! 😀
It seems a lot like Twitter, but spatially arranged more like Facebook. Interesting concept.
I did too!! I feel like i am “all over the place”.!! but i come here –and I am grounded again!! thanks Wolfie!!😘
I just followed you there!
ah Hell!! Ima gonna follow you! If– in fact I can figure it out!! LOL!!!
It’s pretty easy! When somebody follows you and it shows you the fact, clicking the symbol of a head and shoulders with a + sign follows back, and if you see that symbol on a person’s profile, same thing!
Things that make you go, hmmmm. Or hoorah! Depending.
Is this recent?
Or was this back during the reign of HusseinO, when all the agencies were stocking up on massive amounts of ammo?
I dunno. Just a random Meme posted in tweetland today.
during reign of HusseinO
Thanks, PhoenixR…I thought so.
Love it!
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