The featured image in this article shows precisely WHY I refused to dissociate myself from the Treehouse. It is also my challenge to each and every person who posts here, to listen to Q, and listen to Sundance, and NOT to voices of division.
This conversation is exemplary. Let’s look at it in full. The thread appears to now be locked – a good idea.
And there we have it. A single thread that encapsulates the division which Q warned us about. And yet it is being directed against those who are counseled to avoid division.
How do we overcome this? Let’s look at what Sundance himself said:
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2018/11/10/adverse-interests-the-danger-within-the-q-phenomenas-current-messaging/
Adverse Interests – The Danger Within the “Q Phenomena’s” Current Messaging…
Let me start by saying I mean no disrespect to those individuals who enjoy the riddles posted by an unknown entity who writes under the nom de plume “Q”. However, the time has come where aspects within the well promoted “Q narrative” are now a risk and must be addressed. Please bear with me….
The baseline – In the aggregate the “Q narrative” has been: there’s a coordinated effort by President Trump and officials to expose, and confront, corrupt entities within the “deep state.” The essential element within the narrative, as pushed by the “Q” entity, is that President Trump is aware of, and coordinating, some larger plan.
Hopefully that brief baseline summary is not controversial, and most would agree that’s been the structural and purposeful intent of the overall message.
Structurally, and factually, this claim is false. However, that’s not the problem. Within this theory, that seems to have garnered a considerable following, there is now a danger to the office of the president; and however well-intentioned the theory initially might have been, it urgently needs to stop being spread.
As you have seen recently, yesterday, President Trump is forcefully repeating that he has not had any contact with current Acting Attorney General Matt Whitaker. Part of the reason President Trump has to do this is because this false narrative, the “Q Theory”, has been drum-beaten by well-intentioned supporters. Many of those supporters, genuinely good people, have believed this coordinated theory. However, it is false.
Conversely, all of President Trump’s opposition is trying to attach President Trump to the actions and intents of his new Acting Attorney General. The false “Q” narrative helps them.
Currently the Trump opposition, writ large, would love nothing more than to frame the President over taking executive action that puts the Mueller investigation at risk; and thereby attaches him to some form of obstruction. If people keep pushing the “Q theory” of President Trump orchestrating moves; that narrative is adverse to his actual interests.
That false narrative actually impedes Whitaker from diminishing Mueller as a sword of Damocles over the office of the president.
The opposition to the office of the president desire to have the office of Attorney General in a position of compromise, and subsequent recusal. This was the reason why there was such a push by that same opposition to force the recusal of AG Jeff Sessions; whereby the DOJ is then hamstrung in the ability of the AG to defend the executive.
So long as opposition can rely on, and manipulate, embed (and likely corrupt) DOJ and FBI officials toward their goals, things are in their favor. If the opposition can no longer work around the AG, their efforts at removing President Trump are more difficult.
If the AAG is both: (A) independent from the White House; and (B) simultaneously looking out for the genuine interests of the executive [note: not mutually exclusive] and confronting historic corrupt behavior, those within the entrenched DC system have a much harder time trying to frame the President out of office.
President Trump’s political and administrative opposition didn’t care about the “Q narrative” (which is false), because it was of no consequence for a bunch of people to mistakenly think that President Trump and Jeff Sessions were coordinating (they weren’t) an effort against the deep state (never happening) while they had the AG recused. However, with a fully empowered AG that same message (which is false) will be leveraged to oppose any adverse action by Matthew Whitaker; and demand his recusal.
Can you see how the dynamic shifts?
Does that make sense?
This is how the “Q Narrative” now becomes a liability.
I’ve not been confrontational to the game of the “Q riddles” until recently. To each his own; and most of the stuff is harmless and the community seems to have fun with it. However, once I saw what was predictably going to happen; and strongly sensing Sessions was about to get dispatched; and against a mountain of research, and suspicions, I have gone through about a genuine network of information; I saw the warning signs and began trying to stop the spread of the “Q” virus – at least on this website.
So my message to those loosely connected/tenuously labeled, “former intelligence officials”, ie. those behind the Q message board, is to please stop with the “trust the plan” stuff.
If you need to modify the messaging because you are financially dependent on keeping the game alive, then so be it…. Same request applies to the downstream benefactors… But please modify the narrative to a more factual and substantive one.
[If it helps, soon there will be a reality-based origin for you to modify the riddles]
The key point here is for all of you to please stop pushing a narrative that President Trump is somehow coordinating or influencing an investigative or confrontational outcome. He isn’t; he never has been; and he will not be in the future. However, that narrative, false though it always has been, is now a genuine problem. I am making this request politely and hopefully you can digest the problem as the landscape has changed.
President Trump is spending an inordinate amount of time reaffirming the reality that he has no connection to anything AG Matthew Whitaker has done in the past; or might do in the future.
If “Q riddle originators” and “Q riddle followers” keep pushing this “trust the plan” narrative, in any form – but specifically as it relates to the involvement of the President (which is false), you will actually be hurting the administration; and the larger goal of those who are factually trying to work internally within the corrupt systems to bring the needed change within the institutions.
President Trump will need to confirm a new U.S. Attorney General (Sessions replacement) and likely a new DAG (Rosenstein replacement), as well as a new FBI Director and Deputy in the near future (Wray and Bowditch). All of them have been Mueller enablers [see here] And, with the FL and AZ senate race results tenuous, there may be a diminishing margin for controversy (aggressive, actual swamp draining candidates) in the nomination process.
Please, and thank you.
At first it may seem that Sundance has asked us very nicely to deny what many of us believe – or at least to not talk about it on CTH. But what do we believe? Let me state it in a kind of general form, so we are not being evasive by a Snopesism of some kind. We believe:
- There is some kind of plan to “drain the swamp”
- Our VSGPOTUS is at least partially informed of it
- We are asked to “trust this plan”
These would be the “THREE PILLARS” of the Q Cult, if I may call ourselves that.
There is a plan. President Trump knows something about it. We can trust it.
I personally would be a liar if I said I didn’t believe all three parts of this. Our President would be an IDIOT if this wasn’t true. And Trump is not an idiot. It may be politically convenient to pretend it’s not true, but I don’t do that. In fact, I believe some stuff that makes a lot of people want to kill me, discredit me, shut me up, or all of the above. THAT stuff is hard. Believing our President has a plan to drain the swamp? That’s a no-brainer.
Now – I can certainly go on the Treehouse and not talk about The Three Pillars of the Q Cult, or even HINT at them. But I can’t drop that belief HERE, or anywhere else, including Twitter.
If THAT is OK with Sundance, then I am still a Treeper. But that is not my decision.
Now – is it possible to hold the “Pillars of Q” and not allege that President Trump is a criminal who is at the mercy of Bob Mueller? Particularly on issues of AAG Whitaker? Well, I think so. Because I believe the following:
- President Trump is very, very smart
- President Trump is always very careful about obeying THE LAW
- The Plan is mostly if not almost totally not of Trump’s design
- The Plan is mostly of military and military legal origin
- The Plan is thoroughly reviewed by lawyers as an ongoing process
- The Plan is reactive, changeable, ongoing, and intelligent
- The Plan adapts to President Trump’s desires and suggestions (he IS CiC)
- President Trump trusts The Plan and adapts to the advice of its designers
- The Plan is 100% LEGAL and AUTHORIZED
- Anything Illegal has been carefully SCRUBBED from The Plan
- Trump is being carefully protected from illegalities or pitfalls
- If President Trump says something in a tweet, it is TRUE
- If President Trump says something in a tweet, it was part of The Plan
- President Trump’s tweets pass by “Q” precisely for this reason
- President Trump not knowing things, to obey the law, is part of The Plan
- Absolutely NONE of this falls outside NORMAL ORGANIZATIONAL ETHICS
- This is exactly how President Obama was protected from illegalities MOST OF THE TIME, but NOT ALWAYS, and THAT IS THE DIFFERENCE
- The Plan deals with stuff that is so far above most people’s pay grades, there are some parts that are known by more ALIENS than HUMANS
- Sorry – I had to throw that in to demonstrate no limits on secrecy
Does everybody see where I’m going with this?
Now, some people will say I’m just constructing a paranoid fantasy here. Well, I’m sorry, but….
THIS IS HOW I GO ON VACATION.
My wife plays the part of the military, and my dog plays the part of the aliens. OK – to be honest, sometimes my WIFE is the VSGPOTUS and I’M the military. And sometimes the dog… well, you get the point.
Are we clear? We are saying Trump is not an idiot, he’s an honest guy, and he plans stuff. He HIRES people who plan stuff. Our government has people who plan stuff. Some of it is secret, but it is all on the up-and-up under TRUMP.
Am I still a Treeper? Hell yes.
Because I TELL THE TRUTH. And the TRUTH HAS NO AGENDA.
The End.
W
Wolfe and all friends on this site, I trust we can remain united, please – were not counting how many angels are on a pin head…
i.e. we have more that unites us than divides us.
AMEN!
Not a mainline poster here, but am united in team 17! Yes, I still am a treeper and a Qanon. Thanks for a new tree fort Wolf. S ‘mores anyone?
LOL! Glad to have you here! I have a bunch of old Halloween taffy that needs to be used up. Let’s make some sticky s’mores! 😉
Glad to see you here Johnny.
Thank you Sylvia and you too xx
IMHO….I would prefer to be called a group of Patriots instead of a “cult”
BOOM!
Thank you! BOOM is what I wanted! 😀
Now, on the note of the post title….I note that no “reply” box shows up on that thread at CTH. I may “like” folks’ posts and responses to posts, but apparently may not reply to either SD’s article nor to anyone’s responses.
What am I missing here?
Thank you to anyone who can comment.
I’m pretty sure that Sundance closed the thread – probably because it was getting divisive.
Thanks. Sorry I missed the message. Technically, most who commented “violated” the house rules, LOL. Wonder if anyone so vociferously anti-Q who is “defending” SD has asked themselves why the “article” was even posted. Any if anyone has asked themselves why they feel compelled to defend SD (thinking a a couple in particular). I know he rarely (if ever) responds to comments on his articles. We might ask folks, echoing the Joker, “Why so serious? Why so adamant? Why so loud?”
Something very interesting going on there. I have some suspicions, actually. For now, I’ll just sit on them and look for confirmation. But a very good point. Thanks for that. Methinks they doth protest too much.
Why, indeed.
There were a lot of names on that thread I don’t even recognize. Are we sure there wasn’t a shill army involved in all the division?
There is. They will try to sneak into here, too. Anybody that attempts Democrat division here will be ejected immediately, or on the second offense if the first one looks unintentional (people can have a bad day).
I know that people here are very sore about the way they were treated by fellow Treepers, and the people who were banned are mad as hell at Sundance.
HOWEVER….
I’ve already had one attempt to doxx Sundance, which would “accidentally” lead to the closure of this blog.
I’m letting that one slide, but the next one gets the boot. We run a clean joint here. Doxxing is ILLEGAL. Don’t try it or you get the boot.
Now – it’s completely possible that the doxx attempt was to set me up. Part of it was very slick – as in CIA level slick. The person knew that the way they did it would generate complicity on my part. It was “Creameresque”.
THAT is conspiracy. There may or may not be active cases there. COUGH COUGH COUGH.
If LE comes looking for information – I WILL cooperate. There is NOBODY here who I will not turn in.
UNDERSTOOD?
Good. Have a good day and don’t try it again. I am hanging on to the evidence.
Wow! This deep, deep stuff (like whoever tried this attempt) is just beyond my ken. I simply don’t understand that level of intrigue – never have, never will. I hope no-one here thinks my comment on SD’s article asking about his name was an attempt to actually doxx him – I was simply pointing out the inconsistencies in his arguments against Q. I mean, in reality, we don’t know who ANY of them are! Then again, we don’t know who EACH OTHER are! SMH – this is just too complicated, especially after 9 hours at work! Regardless of this latest brouhaha, I still – and always will (unless he REALLY goes off the deep end and turns on PDJT or something equally bizarre) treasure SD and the tremendous work and effort he puts forth, and willingly shares it with everyone, as well as his excellent analysis. Since I now have THIS great spot to escape to (thank you, thank you, thank you, Wolfie), if I do comment at CTH, I will refrain from anything Q. Too bad others couldn’t maybe rein in their condemnation of Sessions in exchange.
Love your comments there! No – this has nothing to do with you.
Now. A rant. A rant in the face of these censoring Marxist conspiracy PIGS.
SD and I have both had violence and/or attempted violence sent our way. Doxxing is how Dems set up their victims without fingerprints. Nobody’s personal info is going to get published here, and that includes REFERENCES to prior doxxing or doxx attempts.
This is CLASSIC “Let’s You And Him Fight” stuff. They love this stuff. I have some great testimony about the first time they did this to me in a big way. They thought that went unnoticed, but years later I figured out the scam – a very lethal one. These people are EVIL. My gut instincts plus a tip saved me.
This attempt to get me to publish doxx material on SD was multiply ingenious, and I can explain it to a jury in a way that would guarantee a conspiracy conviction. It was done with attention to psychological details and related to my recent NSA data in ways I can make extremely clear. These folks are able to make stuff look pretty normal and random, but there are ways to look past randomness, and after a while you can basically reconstruct the manual they’re using – the classes they’re teaching. It’s very sick.
I will be blunt – the Democrat party and their foreign allies are WICKED. You want to know why Hillary never gets caught for all these deaths? They’re NATION STATE LEVEL. They’re top of the line professional. We always thought “It’s just the Clintons. How could THEY do it? Sure, but – well – it sounds like a conspiracy theory!”
No. We were up against INTERNATIONAL CRIMINAL INTELLIGENCE AGENCIES – operating on American soil with impunity because of Democrat corruption and treason.
NOW is Ron Brown believable? NOW is Beverly Eckert believable? Of course they were believable – to preserve the greatest FAKE PEACE in the history of the planet.
It wasn’t just ABUSE of our intelligence agencies. It was USE of other ones.
There needs to be some justice. If only for Ron Brown. Then we can look at forgiveness.
Who did Ron Brown? Oh, now it’s easier to figure out, isn’t it?
SPIT
Dear Lord! I could never survive in such a climate! When I got out of the Army and went to work in the beltway bandit world, I had a VERY difficult time. In my world, things were either right or wrong, with no in-between – no gray areas. That does NOT fly in the government contracting world. I was blessed with a wonderful boss and mentor in a man named Dr. Rich Silberglitt, who was a Physicist (photovoltaics and semiconductors) and VP of the company I worked for. He was the kindest man, very soft-spoken and patient and helped me learn to live with those gray areas.
““accidentally” lead to the closure of this blog”
If YT can delete RSBN coverage of PDJT rallies over music copyright laws, I wonder whether the posting of [ ] content could risk the same.
I know most posters here are aggrieved … but perhaps it’s time to let go. Or pretty soon, anyway!
I recall a scene from Lonesome Dove (with Robert Duvall and Tommy Lee Jones, among others), wherein during a river crossing, one of the traveling members was attacked by copperheads, and passed within minutes. The advice Duvall’s character “Gus” gave was (paraphrasing slightly) “The best thing to do with death … is to WALK AWAY from it.”
Lotta new Q-posts!
Very clear. Good grief if I ever do something stupid it will be unintentional and I hope you club me over the head with it, Wolfie so that I comprehend what I have done. Bless you! I appreciate your keeping us secure.
When Breitbart(God rest his soul) started going south after Bannon left the site a lot of people came over and very divisive. just my vho.
Hind sight is 20/20
I read it was closed. Probably just as well. Flack jacket territory.
He closed the comment section right after my farewell post.
I won’t be going back to the TH.
It was the article that brought forth the comments and in my view permission for so many to bash others.
In my post I questioned the timing of the article, given the events in FL, AZ… no article on that. But instead one on “Q” – when all that was necessary in my view was a statement “discussion of Q here at this forum not acceptable” … no article necessary. I also stated that in this climate of censorship of conservatives I was no longer comfortable at the TH, feeling I was being censored.
OK, PR, I have to go over and read that. I don’t know what Wolf is planning to do with the Q Tree, but I am hoping he will think about having an equivalent to the Presidential Daily Thread where we can chat about the news of the day, post interesting articles and tweets, stuff like that as well as researching Q.
If that doesn’t work out for some reason, I’m hoping one of us can do it. I have really valued going in and, for example, reading the snippets you find around the interwebs and post, and Citizen with PDJTs tweets, and Pam. I feel such a loss.
I haven’t been banned, but I don’t feel welcome over there now. And it isn’t that I am such a do or die Q adherent, but I like to follow and contemplate it just like I do lots of other stuff. It all makes for pieces of a pattern for me.
The censorship crap doesn’t work for me. And I agree with you one hundred percent about the timing. Good grief. With everything going on NOW let’s get down, dirty, and divisive? Really???
Obviously, I’m still stunned because I keep thinking about it and shaking my head in disbelief.
I will definitely have to do a Daily Thread now. This place is getting too big. Might need to start tonight, but if I fall asleep before then, then tomorrow for sure! 😀
That is AWESOME wolfie!
Just put the first one up. I could not miss 11/11/18 !!!
PR, I did go over and read your post. You went out with a BANG! Or maybe I should say a BOOM? Anyway, well done.
(Except for that nasty person who just HAD to get the last word. The Jim Acosta of CTH. Grrr….)
thanks sylvia… I will miss so many of them… feelin’ really sad about the whole mess.
Me, too. I know I am posting a lot here but I just can’t stop trying to make sense out of what happened. And what little bit of lurking I did over there today I saw several of my “board friends” and just felt sad and a sense of loss. It helps that so many whose posts I’ve enjoyed over the years are here, but still.
And I was so struck by the change. It is like the place has been purged and so many of the voices that are active right now over there are really harsh and ugly and that makes me feel bad, too, because I really loved spending time there.
Yeah, it’s the Big Ugly, so we need to have some good stuff and humor. I’m taking deep breaths…..
Same feelings here. I know I can be touchy and get snarky sometimes (especially when I first get up) but I am working on it and usually come back and apologize quickly. Sad but what is happening at CTH reminds me of Breitbart, TBH. It didn’t used to be so bad (especially when it was BIG and had just started) and now it is almost a complete waste to try to comment there.
I was glad to see you found your way here, NF. We’ll find our way forward, I bet. Even if it isn’t clear how right now.
Loved your comment!
LOL! Treehousa Acosta!
Covfefe999? lol….. Acosta of the treehouse.
I was so offended by Covfefe999 being such a judge, jury and executioner for all comments on that Q thread. It was ridiculous how she / he had to comment back to everyone, just like shills and liberals do in more mainstream locations. Every reasonable questioning comment about the Q hate was returned with “if you don’t like it, leave” BS. But the biggest shock was that Sundance stood silent and let it all happen; almost like someone stole his password and wrote that anti-Q screed.
Why would a hugely successful board owner elect to sit back and watch the division bloom into a full-blown schism? It didn’t make any sense then, and now with the comments closed and threats of banishment for bringing up the topic, the whole community seems in disarray. Was this Sundance’s plan?
I am not banned at the Treehouse and I still read every post there. So many are light years ahead of any other news outlet that I keep going for the content. But I do question the opinions coming from Sundance much more now. I’m looking for another shoe to drop to help build the case either way of just what happened to my favorite blogger and his site.
I’m glad to find this new site. I have enjoyed the substantive comments from Wolfmoon, Sylvia Avery, wheatietoo and so many others. It will be good to travel through the next few months and years knowing where to find your input to the days events.
I still believe in MAGA and Q. They can both exist together. WWG1WGA
Amen! Glad to have you here. Yes – I’m not passing judgment on what happened on CTH yet. Not sure what’s going on. Much smoke and mirrors right now!
Hi PR, just read your “last post” …
Very well put. The fact that it did not get binned tells me that the TH is tacitly accepting of people self exiling. I was not given that option, just got banned like several others. So pruning at the TH is the order of the day. The final comment in reply to yours was chilling to me …
Reminded me of that scene in Tomstone, with Wyatt and co shipping out …
Wolfie, I am so grateful you took the time to write that beautifully clear post. It helped me organize my thoughts.
I like your “Three Pillars of Q” as a starting point because yes, those are at least my basic understandings.
Am I still a Treeper? Excellent question. I realize I need some time to think about that because right now, I’m not sure. Probably the answer will end up being yes as there is information there I can’t find elsewhere, but I suspect I will find my long term relationship with the site has evolved.
There is a chill wind blowing through the branches. I have been flailing around several days feeling mystified, hurt, demonized, kind of betrayed. As if I had a much loved little dog that was my constant companion who suddenly turned on me for no apparent reason and bit a chunk out of my arm.
I will try not to engage in bashing because you asked us not to and I want to respect your wishes, but also because it is such a cheap thrill and I always feel bad afterwards.
Having said that, the exchange posted up above involving covfefe999 kind of took my breath away. It is just so mean and so completely uncalled for. Those aren’t the only comments over there like that either.
I read through the daily thread a bit ago and was shocked anew by comments made by posters I have thought of as “Treeper Friends,” people whose comments I always read because I think they are smart and insightful or knowledgeable. But today I see a lot of snarling teeth and slashing claws and I think to myself, “Yikes. Really?” Not directed at me because I haven’t posted anything, but at anyone who might think like me. I feel distinctly unwelcome.
A poster I am unfamiliar with named Jay_J Jacobsen commented on the daily thread a bit ago that he found the comments closed on the Q thread and he made his case for Q (unsafe to do so) and is probably now in Siberia.
The most troubling aspect of all of this is the timing. Things seem to have come to a head on the national front with crises everywhere I look, so we should be reaching out and encouraging each other but instead we are divided. And reading the comments over the last several days there is so much anger, a lot of despairing “it is all useless nothing will ever change I thought PDJT would be different but he’s not” stuff, and a lot of provocative type stuff, more than usual and I find it unsettling.
I don’t want a hot Civil War. Obviously we’re in the midst of a cold one, but some of these people seem really eager to kick it up a notch. That will not end well for any of us. If comes to that, I’ll stand, but surely we’d do well to try everything else first.
Well, thanks again Wolfie. BTW, I have been meaning to tell you I like the name “The Q Tree” a lot!
Thanks for your wonderful and very honest comments, Sylvia. I would not be honest if I said I wasn’t feeling some hurt, too. But I think we’ll be fine. Stand by the Truth, and the Truth will stand by you. It is the secret of the Holy Spirit! The protection of the Holy Spirit is a great and powerful thing. It will not fail us! 😀
I love your attitude in Am I Still a Treeper? It was strong, and humble, and real. I’m proud to stand with you.
Thank you! Very much appreciated! 😀
And the feeling is mutual! Prouder and louder! 😉
Have they started blaming Q for us losing the House yet?
I haven’t been to the CTH since this morning…but it looked like that was the direction that it was headed.
Yes. Multiple posts.
Well I figured that’s where it was headed.
Eesh…this is like one of those old black & white movies where a mob drags an innocent man out of his house and hangs him.
Q never advocated for ‘complacency’.
Quite the opposite.
He encouraged everyone to “Fight Fight Fight”.
It’s rather odd to watch the mob mentality.
I just went over and browsed a bit. Your buddy rmple and the new queen of the boards, covfefe99999999999 appear to be enjoying the run of the place. They are in full voice, anyway. Whatever. Disgusted face.
Thanks for that report, Syl.
Ugh…I don’t think I wanna look.
I just had a flashback.
Now I remember that covfefe999 person.
I had a confrontation with her back during the Budget fiasco…when people were wailing about PDJT signing that spending bill.
She was slamming PDJT and claiming that he had fooled us all along, and was no better than the Dems.
I seem to recall some other divisive-type comments from her as well, but that’s been one that I usually have just scrolled past.
Thanks. Very helpful.
Not sure, Wolf…but I also seem to recall that one mentioning being in some other country.
Like I said, not sure.
But it’s something to file away.
Good. There will be a division attempt here, I’m sure. Eyes open.
I have never tried it, but I guess you can go to TCH and use the search box and put in someone’s name and be able to read their posts? That might be a useful thing to do to screen.
In fact, I may play around with that if I find I can’t sleep just to check on some posters who I found REALLY annoying over the last few days. See if there is consistent behavior or whatever.
I don’t recall her probably because of the generic name. But there has been a fair bit of anti PDJT rhetoric over there, not super overt but along the lines of “he’s not doing anything either I didn’t sign on for this blah blah” sort of thing. Pffffttt.
Figures she’d be beating that drum.
i remember on time that user giving the impression of being out of country also, and i kind of did a 2 second investigation and it ‘appeared’ to be a user with a different avatar and a slightly different username. but i will confirm i did see that also and it immediately caught my attention. i could be wrong though…
this whole thing has had me confused for days and its not cool at all.
Cov upsidedown 666 6 tried to start up with me as a response to my innocuous post on Adverse Interests. What a wench!
“November 10, 2018 at 2:00 pm
Interestingly, there were a minuscule number of Q posts in comparison to other on topic posts, over the last year, UNTIL, anti-Q posters baited the poster of Q posts, or others into an argument which then resulted the thread to down spiral.
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covfefe999 says:
November 10, 2018 at 3:09 pm
Read Sundance’s article again. Read the other article about Trump’s tweets. Have respect and follow Sundance’s wishes. It’s his site.”
I love the 666 because I was SO thinking that, too. Reading through the comments on that threat I’m struck by the absolute joy she seems to be taking in beating up on people and making them comply. Bullying, I suppose it could be called. Just so unpleasant. I don’t honestly recollect interaction with her previously but man she is all over the place now. Well, so be it I guess.
She must be vying for an ad rem post or something. She must also be wearing her leathers too tight.
OMG! Took the words right out of my mouth! She is really going to town!
My question is: WHERE IS SUNDANCE?
It feels to me like this new Covfefe999 is just like a new girlfriend who may be cute but has a terrible bullying personality. Everyone can see it and is repulsed, except loverboy Sundance who thinks she can do no wrong.
This is the crux of the matter: “The most troubling aspect of all of this is the timing.”
Think about that … just sayin’ … why now??
loved your comment Sylvia. Give us a little more hope if you please
Just read your comment from 19 days ago. You capture the emotions well.
Hi Wolf, thanks for that. Always good to see a straightforward, rational exposition of the situation – one which has become taboo over at the TH.
I, Dan064, Newhere, Scott and how many others (?) have been banned from the TH for our ideas – How is that in the interest of draining the swamp and saving the west?
I was prepared to give Sundance the benefit of the doubt, but Scott’s banning and apparent deletion of all his comments on that “Q be bad” blog, together with Dan064’s prior banning (I never ever saw Dan be disrespectful to anyone (?)) is making me VERY suspicious of what is happening at the TH. So to that end, I will repeat a notion I just posted on the “Nuclear” blog ….
Wolf, not sure if this is an ethical suggestion, but if the TH is ACTIVELY eliminating voices and forcing others to self censor, why not directly contact those voices of reason over there to move here BEFORE they get disappeared?
If you think it is kosher, we can list the names of those that appear to be on the outs over there and attempt to contact as many as possible to join in here – that seems to be what “Sundance” wants anyway?
I am thinking regulars will most likely find Wolfmoon’s link over there to here, because like me, they are long time respecters of his comments and even on occasion go looking for them.
I have dropped several links in the past. I will try to leave some stealthy ones in the future. Maybe in the nightly threads, or among anti-Q posts, so I am not instigating.
Your link is how I got here.
Is there some way we can help you link people to this site. I have heard that if we skip a space in the link, the AI moderator doesn’t pick it up. I post on Discus also.
Thank you.
same here. when a lot of the old treepers left I was sad but figured that’s life. If anyone like wolf would have left a link sure would have checked it out.
I left a couple of links, but it’s easy to get lost in the mess, and I think some of those links other people left were likely deleted.
Wolf,
You might consider adding a ‘tag-line’ to each of your posts at CTH. Something unobtrusive and unoffensive of course — though I’d be tempted to at least make it humorous somehow…
Nothing fancy, and I’m not sure ‘tag-line’ is even the right term. I just notice that a lot of forums allow people to have a ‘saying’ or a ‘phrase’ that appears at the bottom of every one of their posts. Since this forum doesn’t appear to allow you to do that, you would have to come up with a phrase and then copy and paste it after each of your ‘regular’ posts on CTH.
So you might come up with something basic, e.g., “Banned or harassed by the new anti-Q Treeper Gestapo? Follow the white rabbit —> https://wqth.wordpress.com/ ”
😁
A suggestion, which is easy for me since I’m banned ….
Maybe those who can still post on the TH (other than Wolf) can very occasionally post a link to here in reply to “like minded” souls on the TH …
I find being able to post and share ideas with people to be extremely valuable on many levels. Those that are being “pushed” out over there will no doubt be feeling alienated, bemused and possibly have slightly elevated stress levels in these troubled times – this was my experience. I was thrilled to eventually get to find Wolf’s den over here 🙂
pjasond:
“Maybe those who can still post on the TH (other than Wolf) can very occasionally post a link to here in reply to “like minded” souls on the TH …”
I tried that today in a reply to a specific Treeper in the “Open Thread” (totally discrete; not related to other threads or comments).
My comment never posted.
However, I have a fairly consistent history of having my comments stuck in moderation for hours, and sometimes disappearing, or not posting at all (maybe an issue here, too).
Cannot determine if it is an anomaly, moderation, or an issue with WordPress.
I will try again when the opportunity presents itself.
Yup – this one got stuck in moderation, too! Wild.
People have my approval to do whatever they want here – good luck! 😀
Just an added note – I barely caught this comment in notifications before it vanished. So a warning about how many comments I’m seeing. It’s a lot!!! I may not see your comments any more, should they scroll by. So if you need to contact me, put 4 links in your comment and it goes straight to moderation. Thanks!
Jason,
I have noticed that SOME people have contact info available if you click on their avatar. One whose posts I read regularly (Anne, I think? Used to have her last name as part of her screen name too, but now just her first name) even has her phone number listed if you click her avatar.
I think she would definitely feel at home here, based on her posts.
Yup Scott, I’ve noticed that too. I haven’t as yet tried to reach out to any other than Dan and Curry, neither who appear to have any means of contact.
I think Curry is likely going to get booted soon, based on how hard he was pushing back against the “Don’t mention Q” notion.
Maybe someone else (you and I being banned) can post a link to him in a reply over there, although it is much to ask.
If you had a connection with Anne, you should reach out – we only interacted a few times, from memory.
I think if you explain that you and several others have been banned for “wrong think” and found our way here and that she would be welcomed here IF she ever got banned. That is a very “soft” sell and should not cause any offence. It is certainly not “dodgy” if put along those lines. If she then comes over before being actually banned, well that would be up to her, so no moral issue that I can see.
Like you, I’ve been watching Curry and expecting he’ll get banned soon. If I am lurking over there and see him post (if he hasn’t already been banned) I’ll send him the link.
Awesome! Tell him JasonD says hi 🙂
If I succeed in finding him, I sure will!
I myself don’t think an organized effort where we contact people on a list is ethical or wise. One thing I want to make sure of is that everybody comes here of their own volition. A list of names I don’t know or remember – contacting those names – it’s just not me. I have no problem with others doing whatever they want, but I think that “headhunting” is likely to ruin my relationship with Sundance and cause greater division. Personal replies by people who know people to those people are fine – I encourage people to talk to their friends who might be “at risk” and give them this URL for safe keeping. And if I see somebody admonished on CTH for Q-ism, I might drop the URL right there as a peace offering – I think that would be appreciated.
All that said, i’m not standing in anybody’s way! People are free to invite whoever they want, although I will caution that divisive people will be banned, so be careful who you invite! 😉
Thanks, Wolf. Sounds like a great plan!
Wolfe, you are spot on.
Quality in the topics of this site will gain its own natural following. Hitting on posters at the CTH is not a sensible MO.
We need both the CTH and this site to be a healthy place to read, learn and comment. Better still, 10 more! We are not at war with the CTH, keep calm and be watchful.
pjasond:
“…we can list the names of those that appear to be on the outs over there and attempt to contact as many as possible to join in here…”
As time has passed in the Treehouse, I have become accustomed to cull through the comments to read, or to scroll past, based largely on name recognition.
I am pleased to see those familiar names of the ones I would read showing up, ever increasingly, in this Treehouse!
I am also in agreement about some of the names that were dropped when discussing some of the “rotten branches” of the other Treehouse [i.e.Rump Hole (no typo); etc.].
There has been an exponential increase in the names of commenters that I do not recognize at CTH (I have only been around there for a few years, mostly lurking), while at the same time, somewhat of a dwindling of “regulars”.
Several good Treepers have flown the coop for one reason or another, or have cut back severely on posting.
Some have gone to social media.
I am not on social media.
I will keep an eye out, and attempt to link these Treepers to this tree.
Great, maybe you can gently “blow” some “tree leaves” over here, Nor’easter 🙂
It is pretty obvious that many posters are being “frozen” out over there, so since winter is clearly coming (in all senses of the concept), what better place to see out the “winter” than in Wolf’s “Den”.
A Den seems to be a safer refuge during winter than a tree 🙂
AMEN!!! 😉
Do Dan and newhere know about this place?
If they had a WP acct, we could contact them by making a reply to one of their old comments.
But if memory serves, those two are without accounts.
Sadly, you are correct. I tried reaching out, got nowhere …
I will never deny the role CTH played in jumpstarting my own awakening. During the 2016 election, it was such a oasis in an otherwise hostile cyberworld. While other conservative/conservative-leaning sites flipped-flopped with then candidate Trump, CTH remained rock-solid in its support. For that, I will always have sense of appreciation for CTH.
That being said, I honestly can’t say that I feel like a Treeper. At least, not at the moment. I am deeply disappointed in CTH’s shift in tone. Once a place of nice discourse and civility has devolved into a place of policing of speech, snarkiness, and doom-and-gloom talk. I guess should have realized the changing atmosphere when I saw a) certain reputable treepers post less often and b) the doom-and-gloomers beginning to dominate almost every thread (when before, that wouldn’t have been the case).
For now, I will continue to occasionally visit CTH for current affairs and certain posters who I respect. However, I will consider this my new spot for discourse.
You are most welcome here, MysticRose! Feel free to make yourself at home. I will have more posts up soon! 😀
Thank you for the warm welcome. Looking forward to them!
Wolfie, I suppose I should have anticipated that things are happening fast and people are popping up here like crazy and I am selfishly really happy about that. I like feeling like we are recreating here what we liked there.
I am pretty ignorant about tech, and about WordPress. I don’t know what goes into keeping this running. Are you being over run? Can you keep up? Do you need help? I guess what I’m asking is if there is anything I can do or others can do?
Would you like us to drop bread crumbs over there to those who might want to find there way here, or not?
See, I don’t even know what to offer to do to help or if that is needed or wanted. But please let me know, and I am sure others would want to help to. I think we are just all so darned grateful to you for giving us shelter from the storm.
I second that offer wholeheartedly. Anything I can do to help, I am certainly willing.
I’ll start thinking about how people can contribute. But for the moment, I want to keep it very tight – just me behind the curtain, so that there are no social hacks. Our enemies are REALLY good with the social hacks, so we’re going to treat them with some serious care.
After a few of these corrupt IC folks are “in the process” and things are a bit more settled down, we can run this like a normal blog. But this thing is being born out of a frigging Democrat attack on the Treehouse, so we’re basically in a war zone. Security is going to have to be tight for a while.
Starting tomorrow (later today), I’ll begin getting more new posts in here on a regular basis. I will be looking in the MAGA thread for items to elaborate, as well as Twitter and Gab. Should be good.
OK – that is all. Will talk to everybody later!
I’m sure you are much more security conscious and aware than most if not all of us, so I totally get what you’re saying and frankly I’m feeling anxious about what might have happened to SD so I’m all in for keeping a close eye on things.
Oh, my, Sylvia! Given what Wolfie has just told us, I hope SD isn’t (or his family, God forbid!) being actively threatened! Holy crap! I just cannot BELIEVE how extensive their reach really is!!! Phew – I thought I was pretty well up on the whole intelligence gambit but now……..
You know, one of the changes I still have trouble recognizing in me is taking something like this seriously. It wasn’t all THAT long ago I would have thought y’all are nuts.
I don’t think that way any longer. Ever since PDJT tweeted he had been wiretapped… Once I stopped and really thought about someone with Donald Trumps wealth and celebrity, and then power as the Leader of the Free World, and HE is vulnerable to this kind of crap???? What chance do we, the little folk, have?
My entire perspective has shifted about a lot of things. The more I see taking place on a national stage, like the current election fraud on a mass scale, it tells me these people are playing for keeps.
I had thought CTH was small enough to ride under the radar, but I believe it was larger and had more traffic than I had any idea. SD even alluded to it a little bit here and there. So I suppose it makes sense we were ripe for a take over or take down or being crippled somehow.
I still can’t even believe these thoughts are in my head, but they are.
I am ashamed to admit that I never once voted before 9/11 and I never, ever watched the news (except the weather so I knew whether I needed to bring the horses in or not). I quit school and got married at the beginning of my sr. year so I never studied government. I knew who the President/VP were and the governor where I lived. Beyond that, I knew NOTHING, not even how our own government operated and was structured, and had never even read our Constitution. Talk about completely ignorant! 9/11 shocked me to the very depths of my being, not least of which because I had not once heard the name Osama Bin Laden and I worked at the Pentagon 2 corridors down from where the plane (missile?) hit. The next 2 months I watched nothing BUT news and started voting after that but, of course, I listened (and believed) the MSM. When my adopted Mom died and left me a small inheritance, I was able to quit the job I hated and buy my own home. I set out to renovate it top-to-bottom and, in the interim, found myself with a LOT of time on my hands. It was something I heard on Fox that got me going, honestly. I had read about something that happened (don’t even remember what it was now) on-line and when Fox talked about it, they didn’t tell the whole story, which got my back up and set me to searching out the TRUTH. Oh, my……what I discovered truly shocked me! NWO, Bilderbergers, Agenda 21, all the Clinton murders, the history of O.B.A.M.A. and his fake BC, and on and on and on. I feel soooooo very guilty now for all those years when I just skated right on by that it has truly become an obsession, I think, to spread the truth and do my small part to beat back the lies and wake up other Americans. It is painful for you, no doubt – it certainly was for me! But it is best that you know the truth and pass it on to others. JMO
Great history there! Wow. Talk about a great awakening! 😀
Oh, yes – it has been QUITE dramatic, I must say. And after losing my daughter, I LIVED on-line, rarely even leaving the house for 3.5 years. You may remember I was also working on Todd Watson’s campaign here in NE. Had he won the primary, he was going to hire me for his campaign team. Sure felt good to actually take action to help redeem the many years I failed to do my civic duty.
Dear friend Wolf, don’t say I didn’t warn you about the time a blog takes to manage! AND am I ever grateful that you are still in the game. 🙂
Thank you for your comment that mirrors my thoughts about the CTH. I had never commented on the board but frequented it with 3 cups of coffee each morning. Sundance is a brilliant mind but he is a human also. I think he is frustrated that all the research he has done maybe for naught as the Democrats take over the house and change the narrative. His financial analysis is top shelf and he is watching the globalist, Wall Street, media and the FED trying to destroy the Trump economic plan. His on treehouse is being bombarded by trolls which makes it a frustrating read not as bad as Breitbart or Zerohedge but in transition.
By the way, I do follow Q (with his comments only) with an open mind. To me, Q is an alternative means to get people worldwide envolved and it has had a huge impact awakening many to be aware and on their toes. An alternative to the fake media of our commercial world. Q may be just as accurate as conventional media.
“Sundance is a brilliant mind but he is a human also. I think he is frustrated that all the research he has done maybe for naught as the Democrats take over the house and change the narrative.”
I think this is definitely a plausible theory regarding his unusually aggressive stance on Q. In the past, he seemed somewhat neutral about Q, so I was taken aback when he pretty much gave the green light (ala infamous “Q is bad” post) for a public roasting of Q.
I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt and say that this election probably left him perplexed and frustrated. That’s understandable. Many of us felt the same way. However, it is of little help to start throwing fellow supporters (a good percentage of Q supporters are also MAGA supporters) under the bus.
Call me crazy, but I also think that there is a certain segment on CTH who were just waiting for such an opportunity to further sow their doom-and-gloom seeds.
Breaking up the Treehouse has been a leftist goal for almost a decade. They were waiting for it. But this way, we actually have a window into the process. It’s deep state I’m sure. Communist dirty tricks.
No doubt that some of them have embedded themselves quite well at CTH.
Yes. There have been those I have noticed that are long term posters who really made me wonder at times. I couldn’t help but wonder if they were embedded troll types or something.
Seriously? Why on earth would they worry about a blog??!!?? See, I just do NOT get this!!!! I cannot wrap my head around such greed for power! Their need to control and rule is THAT all-encompassing that they would try to shut down a blog??!!?? *sigh*
The CTH has been mentioned by some rather notable people:
Don Jr.
Lou Dobbs
Rush Limbaugh
There are others, but I can remember them for sure.
This has greatly increased the traffic/readership of the CTH.
So this makes the CTH a target for those who are trying to shut down all the pro-Trump voices…and sow division amongst them.
….*can’t remember
I’ll tell you what – not only do they (leftists) stick together, they plan everything down to the nth degree!!! SMH – going after a blog, for pete’s sake! Like there aren’t BIGGER enemies in the world!!??!!
Well, to the Left…We are the enemy.
Sarah Palin, Sydney Powell.
…and don’t forget for the longest time CTH posts were outlawed over on Lucianne.com. Recently, some have come back, but, well, “The most troubling aspect of all of this is the timing.”
The usual poster there was “earlybird” – was this Sundance??
I wondered that too if earlybird was SD.
Not crazy at all. I’m sure you’re right.
I’m glad you’re here. I’ve learned an awful lot from Sundance. He has a gift for making economic stuff comprehendable. I’ll keep looking in at least for awhile and reading stuff that looks interesting, but I don’t know that I’ll read many of the comments now. We’ll see.
We will never give up. We will fight on to victory.
President Trump has brought us this far and avoided a Civil War or WW3. They want to push us into war so they can justify killing us and cover up their crimes.
I have to giggle at how President Trump handles them. With the Synagogue shooting as they called for disarming us so they could kill us, our VSG said that if the Synagogue had had someone there who was armed the shooting would not have happened. President Trump fights back. I actually think he will get us through this and keep us out of war.
I have a lot of confidence in PDJT. I believe God chose him for this time and place, and he may not have been MY ideal of the perfect guy for the job but that just goes to show you what I know! I have a hard time imagining anyone else having the skill set needed to face this mess we are in. And yes, PDJT puts it on display every day when he talks to the press hyenas, or he tweets. Amazing.
I am of the opinion that this intra-family spat is a microcosm of a culture-wide frustration. I am sure that I am not the only one who has said out loud, to no in particular, “Who in the world can I trust?” We seem to be bending the fabric of reality into rather new and unusual shapes. The American culture that many of us remember is gone with hardly a trace. If our present culture were a crime scene we would find almost no DNA evidence of our American past. To me personally, that is disconcerting and I am long past the irritable stage into full blown confusion. It is disturbing to know that half or more of your fellow citizens are actively engaged in destroying what I have always thought to be primary principles. I know that Sundance has labeled it cold anger. That is a good enough definition if one throws in a tablespoon of confusion and regret.
Now I understand very clearly that no one really cares what I think so I am not trying to persuade you to my perspective but we are in peril of turning on our allies and fellow travelers. That would be exactly the wrong thing to do. I am not advocating a ‘can’t we all just get along’ strategy but we should not waste ammunition on people inside the wire. There will come a time when we need one another, and that will likely be right soon. I think one of Q’s oft repeated cautions is that our foe seeks to divide. We must resist the urge to help them. It is my opinion that covfefe999 was unnecessarily uncharitable and defensive in her remarks but I do believe they do express her genuine position. If Q is real (and I have remarked on this blog in other posts that I am not sure one way or another) we are aiding our adversary. Let’s not do that.
Great comments – thanks! Yes, it’s sad – I think I used to get along with that one quite grand! This will be an experiment in forgiveness.
Agree with the sentiment entirely, the problem is that this always happens, be it in families, churches, countries, etc. It is part of the human condition, and is getting worse in a “secular” age. When individualism is held up by a culture as one of its goals, do not be surprised when “community” suffers. And so we keep splintering ….
The west appears to be dissolving in real time, and I am struggling to conceptualise a way out of this looming catastrophe. Even if conservatives can unite (an open question, just look at the TH “refuge”), a massive proportion of our fellow citizens on the left have openly declared that they despise us – splintering formerly harmonious families with no apparent regret.
Where to from here? Just keep plugging away, set a good example out there in the world and over here in the virtual one, and apologise when you step over the line in the heat of the moment. And keep sharing thought and ideas …
This is the culmination of a plan that began many years ago, yes? It is Marxism as designed by Karl Marx and Frederick Engels. Read the Communist Playbook! Just go down the list of 45 goals/actions in that book and count up how many of them have been accomplished. FAR too many!!!!
http://masculinebooks.com/2015/10/26/the-communist-manifesto-the-playbook-of-modern-liberals/
Yup, humanism is clothed in misanthropy – even worse than that, a hatred of being, ultimately.
When Greenies offer “solutions” that involves windmills on every hill top to “save” nature by industrialising it, then you know that they are off with the fairies …
These kinds of internal inconsistencies are littered throughout their ideologies, does not take much to spot them.
So we are confronted by an enemy that, at its core, hates being, existence, life – the definitive life and death struggle of the age.
Sorry to amp it up like that, but I lost my rose tinted glasses some time ago.
Interesting times ahead ….
Amen and amen.
Hi Wolfmoon. Thank you for writing this. I get so disheartened over there sometimes, especially when Q is mention and so viciously attacked. For what?
Maybe Sundance fears something that MIGHT happen. My thoughts on his objections run like this: How does OUR opinion of Q bring President Trump into danger? The Left cannot argue on one hand that Q is false and on the other use OUR opinions of him as evidence against President Trump.
You are right. Of course there is a plan. President Trump is not winging it. He knew what he was facing when he came in and wouldn’t have lasted two minutes had he not had a plan. Many plans actually.
I could not read the thread on that post Sundance put up. I knew it would be divisive and destructive. I have noticed in other threads that people will bring Q up out of the blue for no reason at all except to hit at Q or Q followers. No point in it. Are we MAGA or not?
Sometimes I feel so strong and can fight the good fight. Sometimes I am so wearied by it all, my response is to just go away. I’m getting old I guess. There are trolls over there for sure who want to divide us. I don’t know what Sundance is involved in or who “high up” he knows. If he can’t put all his cards on the table and explain what he fears, how can he criticize fairly someone who also can’t put all his cards on the table? Sundance doesn’t know about Q or who Q knows “high up”. Aren’t they both fighting for truth?
One thing I know, Q doesn’t attack others who are MAGA.
I’ve been a treeper for two years now. People have different views and it used to not matter. Pro this or that or anti this or that, everyone was MAGA and we were all waiting to see how it played out, we could agree to disagree.
Am I still a treeper? Yes, but I’m beginning to chill. There is no reason for anyone insisting that our views match theirs (not referring to Sundance but to some who comment). Sounds somewhat Leftist to me that we must think the same or be bullied for it.
Again, I’m glad you opened this site for us treepers to gather and talk (and others to join in of course). It is no real surprise that some over there would object to this site too, just for existing. That they have to reach across to attack you here kinda shows an agenda to my mind – Does Q bother some people so much that it boils down to silence Q followers or drive them out?
Please don’t ever change the name of this site. That would be caving into their demands, and it would be just the start.
Well said AD! Good to “run into” you over here. Cheers, Jason
Hi Jason. Thank you. Good to see you here too. 🙂
Good to see you here… have always enjoyed your posts.
Wow. Thank you. I thoroughly enjoy yours too – You’ve got some great ones over in Nuclear November. 🙂
No change! THE Q TREE! Affirmative!
YESSS !!!
The Micro Proves the Macro from James@realpersonpltcs is well worth the listen. If the link I post doesn’t work, please go to Praying Medic’s Twitter timeline where I found this broadcast by James in Hawaii. https://www.pscp.tv/w/1DXxyakweBLxM?t=3s
Yup – “DO YOUR OWN RESEARCH” – It is incumbent on each of us to form our own ideas, informed by data, reason, logic and other’s opinions (necessary to test the strength of your own ideas).
Thanks for that Roberta. Jason
Hi Jason, I happened to be on the T-house about 5 minutes after Curry Worsham posted, so even though I’m not really posting there now I took the chance and hit reply and said Jason says hi and to give you this and I left the linky to The Q Tree. Hopefully he will see it and it won’t be removed.
I was just telling my 16 year old nephew the other day that if you read something or somebody tells you something that makes you think or feel hummmmm, you need to trust that. And you need to seek out why you felt or thought hummmm……Do your own research. Source it from several different places. But in the end, trust yourself.
I too had to step away from CTH Because I didn’t like how it made me feel and what I THOUGHT. And people whose opinions I always respected and gained better insight than what I thought I knew or felt, made me not feel or think that way any more. There has been a subtle shift at the Treehouse for awhile, (perhaps it’s newfound popularity and new commenters) I found some of my favorite commenters weren’t as engaged via their comments. Perhaps they felt the shift too….
Anyhow, happy some of my favorites are now here. I’ve missed my like mind thinking friends! And Wolf, profound gratitude for your efforts here. I am so happy to be a part of this Wolf pack. To echo what Sylvia said, always happy to help if any is needed…
Excellent – and thanks! I’ll remember that.
This is an exciting time. I’m not kidding about planning. I’m already thinking about that stuff! Gotta protect the site! 😉
Is the Q phenomenon a “cult”?
Well, if it is, then it is:
The Only Cult That Brainwashes People Into Thinking For Themselves.
People ‘follow’ the CTH.
Does that make the CTH a cult?
Q doesn’t tell people…”Don’t look at that” or “Don’t read about that”.
Quite the opposite.
Q encourages people to do their own research and drops clues as to where they could start looking.
Am I Still a Treeper?
That’s a good question, Wolf…one I am struggling with right now.
I clicked on the ‘follow’ button at the CTH back in it’s early days.
This enabled me to get email notifications of all the new threads there.
I read and lurked there for years…and would make an occasional post.
It wasn’t until the presidential primaries that I started posting there with any regularity.
During the 2015-2016 election season, the CTH truly was a refuge for those of us who supported Donald Trump.
I will always be grateful to Sundance for that.
SD’s steadfast support and coverage of that election, helped me to keep my sanity during that whole thing.
It was wonderful to find other like-minded Trump supporters on that site.
We banded together and felt a kinship, in our shared support for our beloved DJT.
It was a pleasure to go there every day.
But something has changed there over the past year.
And it is not a change for the good.
The goodness that was once there, has now been stomped out and replaced with divisiveness, discord and despair.
I mourn for the CTH that we once loved and enjoyed.
I may still go there from time to time…but I do it with a sense of dread, like opening the door to my garage after hearing a loud crash in there — not knowing what I will see.
Yea Wheatie, really strange. Sundance is either ….
1) Playing a deep game of 4D chess (the purpose of which is invisible), whilst denying that it is possible …
2) Been corrupted by his rise up the charts ..
3) No longer physically the same person (maybe sold it to someone, or worse) ….
4) ?
Applying his much loved Occam’s Razor, my vote is leaning towards 2, hoping for 1, but most likely the unknown, being 4 ….
Well it’s his site…and he reaps what he sows.
I left there in disgust after reading that post he put up early this morning about “Countermeasures and Questions”.
He’s wanting to Expose the White Hats who released all that evidence of corruption?
I was like…dude, wtf are you doing.
Don’t do this.
Those releases of the texts and documents…were a gift!
Why would we want to hurt the people who gave that to us?
SMH.
So if your scenario no. 1) is what he is doing…then he’s doing it wrong.
That is, unless it’s one of your other scenarios that is going on, which is sad to contemplate.
Wow, I’ve been so sour on Sundance for banning me, I never even realised that the “Countermeasures ..” post had a potentially nefarious purpose, re exposing white hats – well spotted.
I will put that in my pipe and smoke on it for a while …
That’s wrong. That’s not SD. Something very weird. These actions sound like MICROCHIP – not Sundance.
Yep.
Like I said in another comment…it’s like:
Where is SD and what have you done with him?
He was leaving on vacation. Fishing. And then suddenly he’s not, and he posts that BS article. This could be a massive discreditation scam. All they would need would be to hack his home system or his WP account.
They tried to hack me when I took my rig to somebody’s office. It was impressive, using Stingray, but I screwed them big-time and the fuckers actually cursed from the adjacent offices when the signal dropped.
Fucking KGB-CIA and FSBI. They’re TRAITORS.
Hmm…I think I remember seeing ‘Stingray’ mentioned over on the Qresearch board.
It was back when the board got hacked and someone posted as a fake ‘Q’, using the real Q’s ident code.
Q worked with the Board Owner to rectify.
A new ident code was assigned to the real Q and it was announced to the board there, what had happened.
The BO there at 8chan have communicated in private, as I recall.
And the BO confirmed that Q was posting from a secure IP with a govt-type ident.
That is why (((they))) were trying to come after the Q team for violation of the Hatch Act.
You can bet that there’s been an all out effort to dox the Q team.
There is definitely an all out effort to discredit Q…since all efforts to shut him down have failed.
It was funny when the Q team shut down the C_A’s big mainframe and satellite comms…as a shot across their bow.
Something is up. I don’t like it.
Actually that last time our beloved head treeper seemed himself was the post when he was loading up to go to the pan handle to help with hurricane Michael’s aftermath. Honestly, somethings been off enough after that post that I began to wonder what could have shaken him that bad.
Are you in touch w/him? I don’t really need to know but…….if you are, maybe give him a call? IDK
Yeah, see, that’s the thing. We can’t talk about Q because that might blow back on PDJT trying to appoint his AAG and it would be bad for him. Ohhh kayyy. Seems a real reach.
But oh let’s talk about who has been leaking all this great info out there! Look! Look! They leaked this and then that and then they did this and gee it all adds up to…. So, how is THAT not dangerous?
I’m just mystified.
Exactly, Syl.
I’m mystified too…that’s a good word for it.
YES!!!
SO happy I found you guys!
I have been dismayed by the change in the Tree House over the past few months. What the heck happened?
And this post about Whitaker being the source of his crumbs. He’s outing him, now? I couldn’t believe it! Why would Sundance do that? Do they have his/her grandchildren locked in a basement somewhere? Is he being black-mailed? Hacked? What?
I read all the comments on Sundance’s Q-thread with great sadness. I commented a couple of times. I never did like cofefe999-infinity much, couldn’t really say why. But her stance on this last thread was nonsense. I get it now.
I am a Q-follower and a free-thinker. I get my information from all over the place, and make up my own mind. I don’t see ANY benefit in shutting people out based on where they gather information. I mean, really, how is division helpful AT ALL. What Sundance is doing reminds me of the liberals; “we hate Trump, so we do the opposite.” Sundance hates Q; Q says WWG1WGA, so Sundance does the opposite. DIVIDE US.
I am beyond disappointed. Am I still a Treeper? Was I ever one, or just a peripheral player gathering information and interjecting into an apparently closed group? Who knows?
Thank you Wolfmoon for making another place for me to try to find a branch! So happy to see many familiar names of commenters I have admired at CTH.
Sorry for the delay in finding your post in moderation, Aubergine. I was out all day and just got back online. Great to see you here! 😀
I’m glad you’re here Aubergine. Refuge. Again.
Well said, my friend. I feel quite emotional about the whole thing because I have loved having that as a refuge in a world that has seemed crazy and cruel especially around anything to do with PDJT.
I feel the loss pretty keenly, and I do think it is a loss. Whatever the TH may be for me in the future, if anything, it won’t be a refuge any more. That hurts. It helps a lot that Wolfie left the light on and I found myself here on his doorstep when I blew down out of my branch, especially finding you and others here. It helps a WHOLE lot.
Thanks, Syl…and I am sooo glad that you’re here, as well.
It is wonderful to have so many of us here.
It’s like…we can mourn our loss together, which helps tremendously.
Yes, it does. And we are all feeling much the same. It helps knowing we’re in the same boat.
“Am I Still a Treeper?
That’s a good question, Wolf…one I am struggling with right now.”
The way I answer it is:
I ALWAYS will have been a Treeper.
I find it works, for me!
That works for me … 🙂
Since I’m banned, I’m definitely no longer a Treeper (not my choice), but I don’t bear a grudge either.
I am pretty sure I would have found my way here by now, based on the current treatment of views like mine over there.
I will go to THC, but it will not be for comments. Will probably now read his commentaries more critically than as gospel.
Got to get to bed – work again tomorrow, thankfully not until 2 pm. Y’all have a good one!
Boy Oh Boy, take a couple days away and bang!
Seems I missed the ‘Q is bad’ post while celebrating the USMC Birthday and Veterans Day in DC.
I too have noticed the change in demeanor from Sundance. Hard to figure after all this time.
Prayers are needed. God bless our Veterans.
Check me on this, did it seem to be since we went to help with clean-up after hurricane Micheal ? He never did give a follow-up report on that trip.
I thought that was strange too.
Well, as it turns out I’m not so sure I’m a Treeper any longer. I kind of got into something over there on the daily thread.
I just HAD to open my big mouth and make a sarcastic comment to someone about Q being banned, and it elicited comments. I’ve posted the link (I think) if anyone wants to read the whole thing and see who the participants all were.
During the conversation, a Q believer posted and I suggested she check out The Q Tree. My ol’ buddy Gunny came in and harrumphed around about Q (and I like him even though he also frequently annoys me), so I made a reply to him that sounded like a goodbye. Steph_gray made a comment about me leaving, and I ended up posting this:
“Hey steph, not really sure what my status will be. I haven’t been one to post much about that letter of the alphabet that has no name other than to ask a few questions occasionally about that topic, so I guess I’d describe myself as an interested observer rather than a close follower.
But despite my dreams of shoveling the Left into submission I find that brickbats flying overhead, screeching, lecturing, and monkeys flinging poo kind of harshes my mellow. I am frankly alarmed at the way Treepers are treating each other. What are we now, antifa?
But maybe now that the hated Sessionistas and the single letter of the alphabet adherents have been successfully purged from polite society, civility can return. At least that was Hillary’s proposition, wasn’t it? 🙂 🙂 🙂
A chill wind is blowing, so I’ll just bundle up and hibernate a bit. I’m sure I’ll drop in here and there unless I, too, am banned.”
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2018/11/11/november-11th-2018-presidential-politics-trump-administration-day-661/comment-page-1/#comment-6310932
Something HAPPENED over there.
Obvious, right?
I got out – no controversy, I just quit.
I remember giving “G” some great advice – I think it was on Q – to TAKE HIS OWN TIME to figure things out, and not to do it based on anyone else’s schedule. (I like him too.). Within a day or so, he’d made his mind up, that Q is s***.
He never responded to me afterwards, even though I responded to him directly a couple times, and obliquely (referring to beer – lol!) also. “And so it goes.” (Vonnegut).
“What are [they] now, antifa?
Maybe. Maybe so.
Clean break? I did it – and I’m pleased. “For every time, there is a purpose.” Perhaps [ ]’s time is over.
Hope not! I’d still like answers. But – I won’t wait, or hang on, or try to change it.
Que sera, sera …
You have a great attitude. Make your decision and move on. I linger and second guess. But I’m moving in the direction of it is time to move on.
Years ago, a mentor and friend of mine said, “Why would I ever want to be where I wasn’t wanted? No thanks.”
I think I’m out too. Why wait until I’m deemed to have stepped out of line? I don’t want the controversy either.
Sylvia, how long have you been a treeper? When I first found the site, you were a goddess! Sylvia’s Shovel was akin to Thor’s Hammer – it was constantly being recommended for deployment on some nasty swamp rat or other.
If you had posted this 6+ months ago, the news of your withdrawal would have warranted its own dedicated post to handle the volume. The fact that it has elicited such a small reaction is all the proof one needs of the MASSIVE shift in the SPIRIT of the CTH.
The mystery deepens as to WTH happened over there?!
Agree about the change in spirit. I don’t think it’s SD’s doing. I think this was a planned take-down. The posting population at CTH has changed over time, always, but recently the RATE seemed faster and the people seemed different.
“I don’t think it’s SD’s doing.”
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But a blog owner sets the tone of their own blog.
If he didn’t like what is going on…he could stop it.
He just painted ANOTHER target on Whitaker’s back with latest post, whilst pretending to be protective of the link between POTUS and Whitaker. What the Heck?
If Whitaker is POTUS’s AAG, under fire from all quarters, how on earth can someone who is purporting to have POTUS’s back finger his brand new AAG as acted in a partisan manner. I am not saying that Sundance is painting Whitaker as having done something illegal – just that he is exposing him to more incoming fire.
Thanks for that report, Jason.
Okay…I had to go see it for myself.
And OMG.
That is exactly what SD has done — he’s painted a Big Target on Whitaker’s back.
This is terrible.
Why on earth is SD doing this?
Check out my latest comment at the bottom, their is something very weird also about the style of his “DOJ/FBI Admin … ” post. Seems to be “Pavlovian conditioning” to me ….
Let me know your take. Thanks.
It’s smart strategy, IMO. We are WINNING BY SUNLIGHT. The enemy is DESPERATE to get our side to cover up. NOPE. We are HONORABLE. Stay that way. REAL JOURNALISM is part of that. If our side is being honorable, there is no fear. APPROVED WORKMEN!!! We are approved workmen – approved by the Spirit of Truth!
Hey Jason, I succeeded in getting Curry the message that you said hi and wanted him to have the link here. He said thanks and asked if you were banned. I said yes. So hopefully he’ll stop by.
Oh gosh, I’ve been a treeper since Trayvon Martin however long ago that was. But I lurked for a long time.
I finally jumped in commenting during the campaign because I was feeling so alone out here in “blue voter land” and scared. The USS America was heading for the big old Hillary iceberg and I was beside myself. It was enormously encouraging to find a community as it was then.
Well, I don’t know about a goddess ha, ha!! but when Bako Carl wrote not one but TWO of his poems about me I was flattered beyond belief!
But I haven’t seen Bako Carl for ages and ages. And that is what happened. So many people dropped away, a few here and there. At first it was kind of slow and I didn’t notice until I’d think, “gee, I haven’t seen anything from so and so for awhile” and then I realized that it was happening more and more.
And then new names were showing up faster and faster, and finally the “fundamental transformation” was complete. Pod people have taken over! Or something. Gusty sigh.
Thanks for that. Your posts have a certain “essence” about them that draw people to you, hence you are always being engaged in conversation! That is a gift, so we are blessed to have you here 🙂
That’s so kind of you to say. Thank you!
Oh, and thanks heaps for contacting Curry 🙂
You are welcome, I’m really glad it worked out.
wow so many here that i always respected there – and apparently we all were feeling something in our gut also…i am glad i bookmarked this site from one of wolf’s posting of the url back a couple months ago. since the other night when i read that post on the treehouse i have been feeling pretty weird.
i don’t have time to post a spill my guts post but i had a question which is why i came here and now after reading the comments on this page i am seeing something strange…
so i came to ask where is this information that SD was going to publish which was referred to in his post that had the image of the mouse hanging over the trap? i got home that night after having a long talk with my brother and first saw the post regarding president trumps tweets about whitacker and how we should screenshot them etc… so i posted in that thread a long post that referenced the calm before the storm threads (i made no direct mention of q) and the statement of macron that day saying they should get a european army. all told my post was about the theme of awakenings/movements in middle east, aisia, and europe. i also made a part of my post stating that if people dont want to believe in conspiracy theories then they should think what they would say if someone told them 2 years ago what they know now…
anyway i made that post then read the post with the mouse and trap picture. i was intrigued to find out about this great info…nothing there but wait will update later…
so by this time it is well after midnight so the new daily post was up and whats this? another article up also and that turned out to be the anti q post.
i was shocked. so i still have zero info on this breaking news that was putting SD at risk. and then i see a post saying q is going to be used as evidence against the president. then SD says the president has no plan and does not know what is going on and cannot know or he will be in trouble AND at the same time is in full control. ok… then i see this story about the leaks and what not that followed. i mean others posted about it here the disconnect between turning off q and then saying who was leaking?
and now in a day and a half after many more posts of the mainstream media interviews and circular post after circular post of prayers and god is in control and mostly self righteous post after another i cannot figure it out…
so back to my question – what the hell was the story promised in the mouse over the trap image thread?
Yeah. The world wonders. And waits. And all I can do is shrug because I am one puzzled puppy. What happened? WTH happened? I don’t know.
Ok, I’m going to put something out there. A little story.
When I was still fairly new TCH it was obvious to me that mentioning God, prayer and scriptures were welcome there. Talk about a wonderful feeling of freedom to not have to self-edit the biggest part of my reality!
I posted a scripture in the Presidential thread and another poster tried to censure me saying that did not belong in that thread. Made me furious. Right there I decided that they were wrong and that any type of bullying like that would be met by my posting more scripture, immediately. (Being anonymous and not having a physical car or something for them to damage probably helped my courage a bit, I will admit.)
But — the policies of the site were specifically supportive of my behavior in this case. Seems that “hall monitor” got the idea and let me be after that.
My thought now is that I’m not going to allow self-designated “hall monitors” to hem me in. As long as I am allowed, I will happily post scriptures, prayers and uplifting images (as time allows) on TCH. Nothing like shining Light where it is needed.
May God bless us all.
Thanks for telling us your experience. I’ve always loved that feeling over there that I could talk about my faith and be accepted. You shine that Light!
Amen. I’ve noticed that references to Scripture, requests for prayer, and most thoughts/comments of a Christian nature have all but disappeared from CTH, except on perhaps the Open Thread, and of course the prayers thread. That and “the book that shall not be named on WP” (but appears on the bootom of IN-N-OUT Burger’s cups and wrappers) always getting binned was a tad odd.
Something really has changed. Maybe the “Sessions Wars”, not sure. But old-timers have been dropping, and hundreds of new names show up, often as “bookends” (come in pairs) or, heck, even bookshelves…
I liked the wonderful research there, but the Debbie Downer crowd has gotten me, well, down.
Again, this looks to be a refuge (from, dare I say) the lost refuge (which makes me sad). Hope all is well with all of you…
The other side did this. THEY changed the composition of the board. WE are the difference. Guess where we are? HERE.
Forgiveness is POWER. Use it. Get on CTH and support SD for figuring out stuff that will lead to the REALITY OF Q.
We are journalism. BE JOURNALISM.
THIS.
After swatting down the naysayers a couple times
let their comments die of neglect.
Forgive, Stay in the game.
Push back against comments taking shots at our own.
Resolutely keep adding comments that honor and respect our Lion.
Post about important focus often enough that the rubbish is far downstream.
Any other tactics?
Hello all, a longtime CTH lurker here. Just a my two cents idea about the new ‘Q verboten’ era at the Treehouse.
In the time following the 2016 election there was the deplatforming of conservative and particularily Pro-Trump material/linking/sharing on social media I’m sure your aware of.
Maybe Sundance anticipates a second wave of this occurring but including Q material/discussion to be censored.
Such as WordPress and other similar hosting sites following the Facebook/Google/Twitter examples of deplatforming sites containing “Fake News” or whatever wrongthink adjective they prefer for labeling Q speak. And so Sundance is taking a preemptive move to keep the site up and with commenting allowed (but at the price of our disaffection).
We who follow and digest both sources of information (Q and Treehouse) aren’t happy but at least the Treehouse goes forward in some capacity however diminished.
Also if if such an information pogrom is oncoming then an explicit article/conversation along the lines of “We can’t talk about Q anymore everyone or they will cut us off the web” would be counterproductive, it would just certainly flag the Treehouse for “fake” compliance.
Anyhow just some mental gymnastics on my part hoping to reconcile my love of the Treehouse with my fascination with Q. I don’t have any evidence that what I described is what is going on, just some wistful speculation.
Hi and welcome! New posters are moderated for 1-3 posts. I tend to agree with your outlook there, BTW!
While ‘self preservation’ might be the motive behind going nuclear on Q…it doesn’t really explain the attempts to expose the White Hats who’ve been releasing evidence and documents to us.
I’m referring to that “Countermeasures and Questions” thread.
Why go after the good guys?
I’m still gobsmacked over that.
Comment on Sundance’s “Comprehending the DOJ/FBI Admin State Battle” post ….
Sundance’s post comprises paragraphs interspersed with Does that make sense? If yes, continue …”, repeated for several cycles, and end off with …
“I must ask again, before I can expand further, if readers understand this dynamic?
Please answer in the comments section.”
Many, many readers then proceed to answer this question, largely in the affirmative, without posting much else.
This is really weird, like some kind of Pavlovian conditioning.
First, he purges vocal “small branchers”. then Q is denounced, with Q supporters hounded by “the mob”.
Small branchers and Q supporters thought for themselves and did not follow Sundance slavishly ….
And then this apparent Pavlovian conditioning.
Not sure what to think, except that Sundance does not appear to appreciate too much dissent from his views. Some dissent is tolerated, but it seems to being controlled. Banning Dan was a flashing light to me. Dan was a firm small brancher, but always very measured / polite with his comments. Who could possibly ban him???
If any of you are curious, scroll through some of the comments in that post and see if my take is on the money or not – I would appreciate any feed back
Ooops, my reply to you dropped down below.
Sorry about that…I don’t know why that happens.
Without going and reading through it all myself, I can’t say for sure…but from your description, Jason, that sounds creepy enough to be what is happening.
I was totally creeped out by many of the posters with short answers like “Got it” or “Yes, I understand” …
If you couple this with the attacks on any comments questioning Sundance, then I fear that Sundance has let his rise in prominence go to his head. That is the best spin I can put on it, cause him pointing the finger at Whitaker has potentially much more serious implications …
Confession Wolf, I have not read through the comments here but your post is above awesome and you may never get all the thanks you have earned by making this space available to us. I’m a “both and” person and I go where I’m inspired to go, easily skip over stuff that isn’t interesting so here’s an attempt to give back something that will make you smile and breathe! THANK YOU!
Again, none of it makes sense. Today, Nov 15th, I read SD’s Q post for the first time, posted here, because it is no longer available. It’s not nearly as bad as I thought I thought it would be. He reasons that Q narrative of ‘trust the plan’ is hurting the President because of the implication that Trump HAS a plan….., which makes AAG Whitaker look partisan……, which is what we don’t want.
Okay, it’s a stretch, but I can see the reasoning.
Thus, in order to protect our VSG we need to avoid the appearance of ties between Whitaker and Trump——- for which SD is blaming Q.
Huh?
But I did not get the idea of a tie from Q, I got it from SD, from his article called “The Cleaner”, on Nov 12th, which has over 1500 comments. Obviously, people saw the SD post, wherein SD goes through the litany of info selectively leaked to the public; the Page/Strzok texts, the partially redacted FISA, etc.
The very same day, Nov 12th, we get an article from SD called “Reconciling Rosenstein through Wolfe and Horowitz”, where SD implies it might be Rosey on the good side because Rosey has never taken a direct position against the President. SD references Jeff Carlson, who has a different take on Rosey, and SD admits he might be completely wrong.
Okay, fresh take and objectivity are always good.
But I got the idea about Rosey from SD, not Q.
Currently, the Q post AND the dire warning post about “copy the President’s tweet” about not knowing Whitaker, are all gone from the CTH site…, which is extremely odd. Can’t remember SD ever removing a post.
In place of the two posts, we get the post about Guidelines for Posting – which we all know is SD’s warning to “tighten up” – we understand.
I tried to post about 1:30am Eastern time in the early morning of Nov 13th, and by then, I could ‘like’ a comment but not post. I naturally assumed something was wrong with my computer or WordPress. It never crossed my mind that I would be banned from the site.
Nevermind me, I’m a peon. Thanks to Wolfmoon and so many others here, I learned I am not alone in being banned for mysterious reasons over the past year… and with increasing intensity and frequency.
The bigger question is why and what the heck is going on?
I was extremely touched by those in another thread who related personal stories of leaving their church, or a group, where they had been active for decades, only to be shunned or never called again.
Who does that? We don’t do that…
Abandoning those we would consider friends, teammates, fellow patriots, is antithetical to our nature.
If someone we’ve known for years, does a 180 degree turn in behavior, we ask questions because we think they might be in trouble. Most of us, here, followed SD and made friends within that group, for years. Something is very wrong and I’m torn.
The erratic behavior to copy a POTUS tweet,
the deleting of posts,
the spin on a dime reasoning from a guy who is exceptionally logical,
the blaming of Q for something that was SD’s own idea,
none of it makes any sense.
Something happened.
It had to be big.
I hope the guy is okay and his family is safe. We KNOW how the mob reacts and frankly, it has me terrified for SD and his family because of his increasing following. Think about it. If ever there was someone we would rush in to defend, it would be SD…., followed very closely by our collective defense of people like WolfMoon, Sylvia, EmeraldStar, Linda, A2, and on, and on.
We don’t leave our people behind.
And the one thing, of which Q continually reminds us, is to NOT BE DIVIDED.
Wolf, I remember well when sd thought your post about just hangin’ in for the ride with genius Trump was widely respected by so many.
I still stand by that – and you know what?
I think you hit the nail on the head. That’s what’s going on. Those mid-terms and ALL the stuff that went with them were enough to shake up Jupiter’s moon SD-2018 and knock it into an eccentric orbit! 😉
That’s OK – I predict that SD-2018 CANNOT escape Trump gravity! 😀
You’ve come a long way friend 🙂
AMEN! 😀