Occam's Razor, Tool of Deception

I was originally going to entitle this post something else – something cuter and more grandiose about “my life-long sword-fight with Occam’s razor“.  Hence the opening image.  However, that goal was WAY too big for a blog post.  I could literally write a book on it.

The fact is, I have MANY issues with Occam’s razor in science and other forms of investigation, and most of them don’t deal with deception.  They deal with progress in science, more than anything else.  Although the modern intrusions of leftist deception politics into science are changing that balance very rapidly. 

Some scientists tend to shave too closely with Occam’s razor.  Nothing grows.  There is no imagination – no progress.  It is easier to sit tight on a small set of highly validated principles, and not reach out to try something new.

Others don’t shave at all, and “fluffy” no-way-in-hell theory grows with abandon.   Such theories approach the ad hoc nature that Occam’s razor was specifically intended to prevent.  Instead of angels on pinheads, embarrassing numbers of never-to-be-found particles and whatnot are predicted, proposed, or just rumored.

Those are big topics.  Addressing all of that, plus the use of Occam’s razor for deception, would be a tall order.  Best left for our wonderful commenters, already discussing these things just on the rumor of my finally posting this piece.

While sleeping on this post (earlier), I realized that I needed to keep things simple, and ONLY talk about how Occam’s razor behaves under deception.  Thus, I came up with a much simpler and more powerful statement of the principle at hand.  Then, I decided to pound that statement into people’s heads, by repeating it, over and over.

Occam’s razor is a tool of deception.

Wolf Moon

Actually, that’s not giving credit where credit is due.

Occam’s razor is a tool of deception.

Anonymous author of KGB-CIA manual read by various people Wolf Moon has known

Actually, that’s not big enough.  It needs to be a nice big headline.

Occam’s razor is a tool of deception.

There.  That’s better!  And THAT is why I changed the title.  If I’m going to repeat a headline over and over, why not just make it the title, too?  That way people won’t have to dig for it.  The conclusion is RIGHT THERE.  To review for the big picture, people don’t even have to re-read this post.

Now, I can’t tell you ALL of the reasons why I believe this, but my motto serves as a kind of proof that the opening image and would-be title are justified – that I’ve had to FIGHT Occam’s razor all my life.  Indeed, I chose my motto carefully, after years of fighting my way up from a state of blissful ignorance, to one of satisfied but battle-scarred awareness.

It is better to be right than to be believed.

Wolf Moon

Being right does not come easily in this world, because DECEPTION is everywhere.  And deception is everywhere for a beautiful reason, which a better understanding of OCCAM’S RAZOR makes clear:

Occam’s razor is a protector of deception.

Yeah.  You’re going to hear that a LOT of things linking Occam’s razor not with FINDING truth, but rather with HIDING truth.

So what the hell IS Occam’s razor?  Other than a tool of deception?

OK – that’s not really Occam’s razor.  This is more like it.

When we are faced with more than one hypothesis that explains the data equally well, we choose the simpler explanation.

Occam’s razor

Now, the fact that many CORRECT answers ARE complex, and so many simple ones fail, or at least it sure SEEMS that way, makes the following cartoon funny.

We see in the cartoon an idea that LOOKS like Occam’s razor because it deals with simple versus complex, but also seems to say the opposite.  Yet the cartoon seems to say something intuitively obvious and wearily true – that many answers are simple but wrong, and the fewer that ARE correct, are generally complicated. 

This seems at first to be at odds with Occam’s razor, but it’s not – because it’s NOT Occam’s razor, nor is it a derivative thereof.  It just looks like Occam’s razor.  Stop for a moment and think about that.  The cartoon is talking about the fact that it sure seems to us humans that REAL answers tend to be few and complex – while too-simple and WRONG answers seem to abound.  That is MUCH DIFFERENT from saying that for TWO OR MORE theories that explain the same set of facts, the SIMPLEST theory tends to be correct.

In fact, if you CONFUSE these two principles, then you have just seen why

Occam’s razor is a tool of deception.

That is worth an explanation.  You see, there is an old saw about simple versus complex.  It’s called Occam’s razor.  When people talk about simple versus complex, they ALMOST ALWAYS cite Occam’s razor.  So if a person does a cartoon about simple versus complex, and they say something that seems to be both TRUE and the OPPOSITE of Occam’s razor, it looks like a paradox – like Occam’s razor is “wrong or something”. 

Well, it’s the “or something”.  The cartoon has successfully, without trying very hard, mimicked Occam’s razor.  And MIMICRY is a form of DECEPTION.  You were led into a mistake by a cartoon.

Thus, in a very ironic way, the ubiquity of Occam’s razor ITSELF was used to deceive.  The SIMPLEST answer – “a person talking about simple versus complex is talking about Occam’s razor” – was used to deceive you, and then lead you past deception to paradox, at which point you do a “WTF” and laughed.

Now – there are MANY WAYS to express the principles underlying the fact that

Occam’s razor is a tool of deception.

One of the simplest is the one that our own wheatietoo uses all the time.  This is the idea that

Occam’s razor can fail when you don’t have all the information.

And if somebody WANTS it to fail for you, this is WHY

Occam’s razor is a tool of deception.

As an example, let’s consider the “Bigfoot” example above. 

“A hairy creature in the woods is more likely a bear than Bigfoot.”
-Occam’s Razor

If you see an upright, bipedal, very hairy creature in the woods, you have almost certainly seen a BEAR.   We have an ordinary explanation.  No need to state anything fancy.  THAT is Occam’s razor, right there.

But what if the “hairy creature in the woods” had a flat face and no snout – basically a hominid face – and this was seen with extreme clarity, so there is almost no possibility for error?  If that is the case, then the simple explanation of a bear goes out the window.  There is the possibility of a highly deformed or accidentally de-snouted bear, but such a thing will not live long in the wild.  A truly flat-faced bear is pretty much DOA at birth.  HOWEVER, we can switch to the SIMPLER theory that it’s a GORILLA – possibly escaped from a zoo – and we have basically been rescued by Occam’s razor.

But let’s not stop there.  Let’s say that the thing was seen with extreme clarity.  The witness KNOWS what a gorilla looks like, and it was NOT a gorilla.  Let’s say that we have a clear enough view of it that it looks exactly like “Bigfoot”.

Now – we can believe two things here.

  • It was a “real” Bigfoot.
  • It was somebody in a Bigfoot suit, DECEIVING US.

Which one of these alternatives is the one favored by Occam’s razor?  That is actually a very good question.  To an honest naturalist in the woods of Washington or Oregon in 1910, when “cryptozoology” was still somewhat possible, a “real” animal of some sort would have seemed more likely.  The idea of somebody using a suit to deceive a naturalist would have sounded fantastic, and would require far more explanation than a new species of animal.

But in 2010, with many more “Bigfoot costumes” in existence than reported visual sightings of Bigfoot in all of history, the prediction FLIPS, because we have NEW INFORMATION.  We have to allow for DECEPTION as a kind of additional information.

BIGFOOT DECEPTION is now ORDINARY.  BIGFOOT REALITY remains rather EXTRAORDINARY.

Now – what if you’re a modern person, but your knowledge is like that of a naturalist in 1910?  What if you are not AWARE of what deceptions are POSSIBLE?  In that case you will use Occam’s razor on the WRONG DATA SET.  You will be DECEIVED, and Occam’s razor, operating on insufficient data, will AID THE DECEPTION.

This is how magic works, folks.  The SIMPLE and OBVIOUS explanation is WRONG.  Hidden complexity is used to FOOL YOU.  YOU don’t have all the information.  By HIDING information, you are led to USE Occam’s razor with too little information, and come to the wrong conclusion.

Now with magic, we know we are being fooled.  But then again, nobody has to TELL YOU that you are experiencing a magic show.

Welcome to DISINFORMATION.

And this is the most important part.  It doesn’t have to be something extraordinary like Bigfoot.  I could just be trying to convince you of an ordinary fact.  That is not true.

Let me repeat that.  If I try to convince you of an OBVIOUS, SIMPLE NON-EXTRAORDINARY THING, but it’s really a complicated, deceptive story that benefits me, Occam’s razor just turned into MY advantage, and MY survival tool.

Two words.

Insect mimicry.

The simple explanation is that it’s a THORN.  It’s not.  It’s a LEAF-HOPPER.

The simple explanation is that it’s a LEAF.  It’s not.  It’s a BUTTERFLY.

The simple explanation is that it’s a BEE.  It’s not.  It’s a FLY. 

The simple explanation is that it’s LICHEN.  It’s not.  It’s a MOTH.

The simple explanation is that it’s a FLOWER PETAL.  It’s not.  It’s a SPIDER / MANTIS / ASSASSIN BUG.

If you look MORE CLOSELY at any one of these, you get MORE INFORMATION, and go “OH SHIT, LOOK AT THAT!” and see the coolness of the DECEPTION.  What has happened is that MORE INFORMATION changed the output of Occam’s razor.  You now have MORE FACTS.

One might say that:

Occam’s razor is dependent upon the observer, whereas truth is not.

Now – back to an explanation of Occam’s razor which deals with “ordinary” versus “extraordinary”:

One has to be very careful here.  ORDINARY and EXTRAORDINARY are likely to flip back and forth as FACTS BECOME KNOWN, as our EXPERIENCE with those facts increases, and as the validity of those facts CHANGES.

BLACK HOLES were at one time EXTRAORDINARY.  Now they are NOT.

Relativistic effects in general were at one time EXTRAORDINARY.  Now they are NOT.

Atomic energy was at one time EXTRAORDINARY.  Now it is NOT.

Talking to somebody on the other side of the world was once EXTRAORDINARY.  Now it is ORDINARY.

Aluminum was at one time EXTRAORDINARY and PRECIOUS.  Now it is COMMON and can be used for TIN FOIL HATS. 

There is a reason the INTELLIGENCE AGENCIES try to stay ahead of the curve, BUELLER.  It is so THEY have all the FACTS and YOU DON’T.

Are you starting to see the picture now? 

KNOWLEDGE IS POWER WHEN THE OTHER PERSON DOESN’T HAVE IT.

In other words, it’s not really knowledge that is power.  It’s a DIFFERENTIAL in knowledge that is power.

Now – put this in reality terms.  This point about Ordinary vs. Extraordinary is very important for assisting DECEPTION.  If I can HIDE the formerly extraordinary as MY ordinary, I can almost guarantee that the SUCKER will pick the known ORDINARY explanation.  But if I LOSE the SECRET of my extraordinary, it becomes the TARGET’S ordinary, and they are no longer fooled.

WELCOME TO MY WORLD.

Now – even in deception, Occam’s razor still operates.  If you have all the information, and there are two ways you can be fooled, the SIMPLER ONE is probably the RIGHT ONE.

If you are being deceived about ORDINARY STUFF and there are competing ORDINARY EXPLANATIONS, you are very likely to MISS EVERYTHING.  The same goes for TWO COMPETING EXTRAORDINARY EXPLANATIONS.  If there is deception, you can use Occam’s razor to pick the wrong one, by picking the SIMPLER of the two, if you don’t know all the facts.

And THAT is where we are led into one of the most EXTRAORDINARY events in modern history.

Next time, in:

9/11: From Believer to Skeptic

See you then!

W

“History is a great teacher, but she makes us do a LOT of homework.”
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Tonawanda

Excellent!

Tonawanda

There is so much to say about your insights, and QT’s are saying them.

trumpismine

Brilliant too. W and on the edge of the razor. I’m hooked

Deplorable Patriot

And here I thought with a header image from the Wilkinson Sword Company (now Schick) that we were going to get a lesson in how they told women we should shave. Seriously, they did about a hundred years ago which is why we are all slick in some spots.
But, if I understand this correctly, the encouragement of applying occam’s razor to any argument is essentially the excuse to quit the gathering and analysis of data before reaching the correct and accurate conclusion.
If that’s the case, it is regularly applied to all sorts of everyday decisions.

pgroup

Why don’t YOU write a short piece telling us about the conspiracy to increase sales by convincing women they weren’t beautiful unless they shaved? 🙂

Deplorable Patriot

It was a propaganda campaign, actually, that used the word “unhygenic” as the selling tool. We would call that public relations and advertising today, but the reality is that no woman worth her salt wants to be unhygenic.
And then, of course, came the late 1910s and 1920s when sleeveless attire and ankles started to appear. In some ways it was more about fashion in that sense as the hair was unsightly. The irony of shaving under the arms, though, is that the hair there is one of the conduits of sex pheromones, so while trying to look attractive, the scents that are sent out to turn on the opposite sex were suppressed.
🙂 I actually wrote a whole thing on this years ago. We do all sorts of things because the fashion industry paid advertisers to tell us to.

JasonD

Which may explain why men encouraged women to shave their armpits – jealousy. Not the “ye be lousy” variety. but the “Don’t you go spreading them pheromones around in case you attract another man, in which case you may leave me” kind.
This is easier than forcing wives to wear a Burqua. 🙂
This theory would be iron-clad if men had known about the pheromone thing …
We may have to apply Occam’s Razor to these competing theories about shaving 🙂

Deplorable Patriot

I thought about applying Occam’s Razor to advertising and how sales works, and my head started to hurt.

JasonD

Yeah, lots of things make my head hurt.
If only life were simple …

Alison

Funny you bring that up. My granddaughter is in the midst of puberty, and I am gently but firmly teaching her about how marketing for sales shapes choices we make – some actually harmful like scented deodorants and perfumy crap/cleansing for vaginas.
We are big on telling our grandchildren they are fully capable of making good choices as long as they are informed about agendas & consequences. It won’t all sink in, but some will.
I was successful at teaching them – when they get sucked into wanting a gadget they see advertised on tv – to read reviews from verified purchasers before they make that impulse purchase. That realky opened my grandson’s eyes. He has become quite responsible with his material wants as a result! No more buying crap that breaks or comes with missing pieces.

Deplorable Patriot

All of it is based on playing on deeply held convictions, desire and fear.
Working on heading out for the evening. Might explain more later.

NYGuy54

I love the photo from The Great Escape.

NYGuy54

one of my favorites too wolf

SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA

I had a high school teacher who was actually in that camp. His job was to get rid of the dirt, he was a penguin.
There were no Americans, that was something Hollywood did to make Americans more interested in the story.

holley100

I only know the Occam’s Razor theory for 9/11, but it always struck me as interesting that GWB was visiting an elementary school when the planes hit the towers. Made for a great photo op. as the aide whispered the news into his ear.

Plain Jane

Well Hello Holley,
sorry, I just had to sing that.
Sorry if I missed your posts prior to this, but are you new to WQTH? If so, welcome. Glad you are here.

holley100

Hi Plain Jane,
I found WQTH about a month ago after leaving my long-time home at TCH. I don’t post much because I am an intellectual lightweight but I read everything.
Sometimes though what you don’t know you can just feel. Thanks for the warm welcome.

TakeBackOurRepublic

Welcome!

Plain Jane

Holley, I too am an intellectual lightweight, and I know what you mean by feeling what you may not know. Plus, like you, I read and read.
I am not a good surfer for current political information nor have enough time for that, so I always went to the other place for the quick info. When I saw Wolfie’s post about wqth, I started comimg here. Soon after, I somehow managed to get banned over there.
Happy you are here.

A.D. Everard

Very interesting, Wolfmoon. It’s rather amazing (and depressing) how readily we are suckered.
I especially liked this line: “Occam’s razor is dependent upon the observer, whereas truth is not.” Makes me realize I need to pay more attention, especially in the things I feel comfortable with and THINK I know. Thank you for this.

Alison

Yeah, that’s what grabbed me.
It’s really Big Foot.
It’s an imposter posing in a Big Foot suit.
And Occam’s Razor is dependent upon the observer whereas truth is not.
But what is truth? I thought history books were truth until I had my horrifying light bulb moment that they were the writer’s truth. Truth dependent on … what?
Truth: I haven’t shaved my legs in years.
Truth: I find this an exceptional piece by Wolfie – well thought out, provocative, well-written, humorous, and mind-bending.
Truth: I think we need to use Big Foot to signal something.
It’s a Big Foot meaning It Is Real
Or It’s a Big Foot meaning someone/something is deceptively simple but deliberately false.
I don’t know the outcome of this moment in history as President Trump battles the Evil Empire, but I am emjoying the hell out if Wolfie’s rollar ciaster.

A.D. Everard

Agreed, Alison. It’s one heck of a ride! 😀

Marica

Wolfies Roller Coaster!!! Yes!! Best POST EVER!!!!

fleporeblog

Wolfmoon for those that know me, I am one of the biggest fans of Generation Z. Not based on wishful thinking but on polls that have been conducted over the past few years. Leftists, Democrats and the MSM won’t talk about them out of fear. The fear is as real as it gets. There are 70 million that makeup that Generation. Many are now saying they will compare to the Great WWII Generation. They are truly conservative to the core. They were brought up in homes that had to live through the final 4 years of GWB and the 8 miserable years of BHO.
They saw the pain and damage that was done to their families, friends, relatives and others. They saw how close our country came to never being the same again. Many are know turning 22 years of age while the rest are from 5 to 22 years of age. They are seeing the rebirth of a Great Nation under an incredible President that only cares about the well being of every American.
They are seeing what the MSM and Democrats are doing to him. They see their older peers (Millennials) taking everything for granted. Handouts and lack of drive and ambition. They understand their place in the world and more importantly in this country. They will carry TRUMPISM forward for generations to come.
https://twitter.com/baba9773/status/1070780279239921665?s=21

Spab

Flep, I do hope you are accurate about that generation because it seems to this Boomer that they will have their own version of social upheaval just as my parents did. I hope with you that it strengthens their resolve and turns their backbones to titanium.

singularZoe

Flep, thanks. Just hope these things hold in the future.

fleporeblog

I actually think the will be reinforced because they will see opportunities and winning that their parents couldn’t have.

fleporeblog

We have to fight for our President because we are at WAR! This man has literally but this entire country on his back. He is ABSOLUTELY MAGA! Look at this:
https://twitter.com/baba9773/status/1070797739179556865?s=21

Plain Jane

Whoohoo Baby. Yes.

Marica

Exactly RIGHT! We MUST Fight!! I Love that this site has no Eeyores!! Just upbeat Patriots! And lots of Fun and kind deplorable commenters!!! Thanks for adding your Positive threads!!! Backed up by awesome facts!!

fleporeblog

Your welcome! I had a MORON at CTH write me the following:
Pump the brakes flep. You are the same guy who predicted the red wave and a bunch of other stuff that never happened. A little humility please…
I responded with the following:
What the hell does one have to do with the other? I am providing you stories for everything I wrote. Do me a favor, keep your comments to yourself.
The brakes have been spread throughout every article written today. Good news is worth every single penny for me and others.

singularZoe

Flep, good for you.

Marica

Something rotten seeped into our once beloved Treehouse…Lets keep the rats outa HERE!!! Q Tree Is a Beautiful Place!! Encouraging !

itswoot

I agree wholeheartedly with your “Something rotten…” observation. Been thinking the same thing the last day or two. If the CTH does topple during a strong wind, rot in the core of the trunk will be a part of that.
I’m of the opinion that it is Ad Rem who will be responsible for much of that rot within. The saying, “Something is rotten in Denmark” has also been coming to mind lately regarding her means and methods. I speak from personal experience when I had a couple of confrontations with her beloved Rumphole.
Without a doubt, Ad Rem has show extreme prejudice in taking his side when others were confronting him on his BS. A defending of the profane, as I see it.
And I suspect that it was Ad Rem who was largely responsible for the Q purge from the CTH. I’m thinking she went rogue, and sundance had little choice in going along with it in the aftermath.
I’ve deleted my bookmark to the Treehouse. I may wander back in now and then, but doubt I’ll post there again. If Ad Rem is booted out of there, maybe I would.

Alison

It is easy to answer a question Do you trust the media with a No.
I am curious who/what they do trust to onfirm themseves.
I love your data on Gen z Flep, and hope you continue to share validation with us on what will be a real positive for our country.

fleporeblog

Many are similar to the Reddit types. They search far and wide for it.

fleporeblog
NYGuy54

My son is Gen Z. The sense I get is that they are better educated, more distrusting, and more apathetic. They don’t read as much, don’t watch news, get everything from the internet. Many are buried in student loan debt and they are freaked out about that. I have no read on conservative vs liberal.

JasonD

I have a Millennial son – very smart, very idealistic. He is partially red-pilled in that he deeply distrusts Google, FB etc. But his idealism extends to wanting the world to be a “better place” He does not like / respect Trump – he has bought the caricature. I showed him the “Slings and Arrows” speech, which made him raise his eyebrows in surprise. He uses the smarts to defend his idealism – I am waiting till after the Big Ugly to see if he is ready for the full red pill.
My Gen Z son is wide awake and fully red pilled – also conservative. Also very smart – edged big brother in final matriculation score. Loves POTUS. Needless to say, the boys do not talk politics …

NYGuy54

I have no idea how anyone could cast such a broad sweep around this group. It’s pretty diverse. They don’t answer surveys. If they see a number they don’t recognize on their cell phone, they don’t pick up.

SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA

I don’t either, because it’s almost certainly one of those never-to-be-sufficiently-burned-alive-and-damned-to-rot-in-Hell spam callers.

NYGuy54

Steve, my son hardly answers when I call him, but we are to believe these Gen Z people answer calls they don’t recognize?

SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA

Right!
And honestly, people have every reason not to answer the phone now.
Those damn spam callers are now making sure that voicemail is useless for call screening (you could at least tell people to leave a message if you don’t answer, so you’d know they were legit), by leaving voicemails with their crap on them. Honestly, I’d love to see someone in intel turn their attention to these shits and cap them.

NYGuy54

My son does not use a voice mail message …he lets calls go to the default service intentionally to avoid spam call VMs. All his friends do the same thing.

SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA

Yeah. I don’t pick up. I figure a real caller will leave me a message. So now some asshole spammers leave messages, which means I have to listen to their crap anyway.
“Rejecting” a call simply sends it straight to voicemail, which is exactly what they want. We need a way to reject a call that basically just disconnects the damn call.

SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA

Uh, Wolfie, I apologozie, I went too far with that one.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tab5vvo0TJw

SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA

The comment above that…the video was my attempt to send something to moderation. Works with links, doesn’t work with videos.

Curry Worsham

My 23 year old Mill/Z son is MAGA all the way.
Went to the Knoxville rally.
Not apathetic, but he doesn’t follow the play by play closely.
But get this.
He didn’t get his absentee ballot mailed in time but he was determined to vote.
So he paid 25 hard earned dollars to overnight it!

JasonD

Now that is MAGA for a 23yo!!!
Sadly, we were not allowed to vote for MAGA. Maybe introduce a bill that allows foreigners to vote for MAGA/KAG in 2020 – votes for Dim’s wont count, because they have the dead people’s vote – fair is fair.

Curry Worsham

Fair is fair.
But you need your own MAGA [Make Australia Great Again] candidate!

JasonD

I know, I know – we’re looking, but VSG’s are rare, by definition!

Curry Worsham

VERY Special. I just did a little research.
What about Pauline?
https://narratively.com/pauline-hanson-is-the-donald-trump-of-australia-and-she-just-won/
FTA:
Many people have lauded her campaign victory as a comeback. Hanson added, “I call it standing up and fighting for what you believe in and not allowing the bastards to grind you down.” She once again attacked Australian leaders for not stepping up in the face of political correctness to provide change for the benefit of her country’s citizens. She wondered aloud how they could oversee such high unemployment rates and debt, failing infrastructure, and the destruction of farming sectors. She decried the impact of globalization on Australia, and claimed that many citizens are “afraid to walk alone at night in their neighborhoods.”
“I said we were in danger of being swamped by Asians,” Hanson reminded everyone who likely remembered quite well. “Now we are in danger of being swamped by Muslims.”
The Greens, en masse, walked off the floor.
“I thought it would take three years for me to get rid of them,” Hanson told me. “But it only took a few minutes.”

JasonD

She’s got the right spirit and values, but is, alas no VSG – she has no chance of getting any where near majority support.
Strongly entrenched 2 party system here – not counting the watermelons, who hold 1 seat in house of reps.
Our best shot is Abbott, former PM and current back bencher. He’s a great guy, very smart and tough, BUT the media hate him and basically destroyed him first time around, with lots of help from Turnbull (our recently deposed former PM 🙂 ), who was undermining him the whole time.
Abbott has indicated he’ll have another crack – I think if DJT does what it looks like he’s going to do that Abbott has a shot.
He’s the guy that stopped the boats by supplying the Navy with unsinkable life boats. The illegal migrants were taken off their death traps, put in the life boats and given just enough fuel to make it back to Indonesia. This all happened at sea, no press – worked a treat.

Aubergine

I have the exact same situation in my family.
We have had to ban political discussion at all family gatherings.

SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA

The Slings and Arrows speech, I think is the one that was called “Trump The Establishment” when I watched it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tab5vvo0TJw
The video is actually edited down from a rally he gave in FL during the campaign.
I need to transcribe the first bit, and show it to my socialist niece, to see what she thinks of it before I tell her who said it.

JasonD

What impressed my sceptical (of Trump) son was the message as well as the tone.
All he had heard prior to that was the version of PDJT where MSM try to make him out to be buffoonish.
PDJT unfortunately (from the point of view of converting my son), does ham it up a bit, giving those who WANT to see him as non serious, ample opportunity. I understand why he does it, it just makes it harder to convert sceptics.
That speech help much in that regard.

SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA

I’ve said this multiple times, you’re dragging it out of me right now, again (sigh)
This little video is what turned me from someone who was planning to vote for Trump, because he wasn’t Klinton, into someone who was planning to vote for Trump, because he was Trump.

JasonD

He got me at “climate change is a scam”, plus his refusal to be non PC plus border control / nationalism. So I was supporting him very early in the primaries, once those got to my attention. I was not on board on elevator day – I had not yet heard his platform.
Once I heard that speech – after the election, actually – I felt like the world had won the lottery, or something.

Plain Jane

I haven’t seen any studies but I have seen a wave of anecdotal evidence.
Thanks Fle for your always great input.

Brave and Free

Very intriguing post……. I am just a simple person, no collage degrees with the correct letters after my name. Life takes us down different paths and I am all right with that because my believe is in Christ and the cross. I read to gain knowledge and when I read articles like yours it makes me crave more information. Having come across Occams Razor previously, of course I had to look it up and learn about it. Having you explain how it can be used for deception. That’s excellent!
One question though if I may? Now I need to reevaluate a post on another blog?

churchmouse

Not necessary.
You can find the truth here.

SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA

I think, in short what you’re saying:
Occam’s Razor is a good tool if used properly.
But it is context dependent; the explanation you come up with using it will, it must, depend on what you know, which likely won’t be everything you need to know.
And it should not be used as an excuse, once you’ve used it to adopt an explanation, to stop looking for, or to ignore, new evidence that might invalidate the explanation it led you to adopt.

JasonD

An addendum …
Do not use it in during the course of an information war – the way our former host does.
Because, as Wolf says up top – our tendency to use it then becomes a liability.

SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA

Well, the problem is not that he’s trying to use it in an information war. It’s that he misuses it. You can’t use it properly if you’re ignoring half of the facts that are out there. What you come up with won’t explain those facts.
I’m maintaining that Occam’s Razor, properly understood is a useful tool. Most people just don’t understand it, and that includes Sundance, who gets caught up in inferring the granular transparency of the construct.

SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA

Whoops. Please allow me to correct an error. He gets caught up in constructing the transparent granularity of the inference.
Please accept my apologies for any confusion this may have caused. Likewise, if you find this correction confusing, allow me to offer my apologies for that as well.

JasonD

I trust that you are not inferring that I am confused …
I may imply that you doubt my ability to communicate, but I have no doubt that you were not suggesting that I was stupid, surely?

singularZoe

Jason, respectfully, lol.

JasonD

Are we being too mean to SD? 🙂

SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA

I can unambiguously state that it wasn’t my intention to fail to state that I don’t think that you can’t communicate.

Aubergine

You guys are killing it tonight. Hilarious!

Plain Jane

LOL.

Gil

Thats helpful. And makes sense.

Marica

Steve— So agree regarding using O Razor as a “shut up the masses” ignore new evidence! But even worse–ridiculing anyone who wants to look at the new or possible new evidence—It’s the Ridicule that makes me Walk the F away!

Pat Frederick

wow I think you blew my mind. a lot to process…but thank you! I will definitely need to reread this post many times to let it all sink in.

pgroup

So the simplest explanation (that SD just doesn’t like us free speechers) is deception while the complicated explanation (that SD is getting blackmailed by xxxx) is the truth, right?
At least until some other explanation comes along, which keeps the fantacists among us happy.
I self-exiled from Gateway Pundit when the Orlando nightclub mass murder was used as a vehicle for Jim Hoft to come out of the closet as queer AND to declare that the entire motive for the shooter to do the deed was hatred of queers (JH should know since he is queer; that was his message). I rejected what he was doing. I could see that he was standing on the bodies of 49 queers and declaring that they were killed exclusively because they were queer, while I thought we should all declare that this was an act of Mooslime terrorism and that they were killed because they were Americans.
I’ve long thought, and still do, that homosexuals cannot be trusted – that they will eventually make political hay out of their deviant activities in order to explain something. A perverse Occam’s Razor, if you will.

pgroup

Maybe I could have mis-stated my premises. Let me try again.
What do leftists/commies try to do to the people? Divide them into subgroups, each with a grievance (or two). What does calling the Pulse nightclub tragedy a gay hate crime do? It implies a special danger for fruiters above the mainstream people (false) and it exonerates the mooslime (stupid idea).
I might point out that while fruiters have been campaigning for acceptance for three or more decades (we’re just a little different but there’s nothing really wrong with us), here comes Princess Jimmy CELEBRATING (not openly obvious but still operating) that his false opinion of persecution has been validated. Not only is that bullshit but it is unseemly to do it while the bodies are still warm.
I remain very suspicious of all fruiters. My first question always is: why do we know what your proclivities are and why do YOU keep reminding us of them? My second question is why would anybody who knows that a minimum of 97% of the society does NOT do queer acts, then proceed to make sure that the 97% know that he/she is part of the 3%? Only narcissists think and act like that.

andrew1979

oh my my my! calling out the razor!
love it man. as far as i am concerned this is a sly trick to continue eating away at the reasoning capability of mankind.
hands up, i mean, who had even heard the term “occam’s razor” more than ONCE in a year in their LIFE before the last two years? i mean, goodness, it was used like 20 times a day at the other site there for a while.
a simple solution is for a simpleton. thinking about and even overthinking something “simple” to make sure you are getting the facts straight and examining every angle – priceless. you only waste time…

TheseTruths

Excellent article! I have long had a problem with the use of Occam’s razor to stop thought and exploration. I’ve likened it to people not using their imaginations — not to make things up, but to think about all the possibilities, because we ignore important information when we do that.

Plain Jane

Great post Wolfman. As any mother and grandmother who’ dealt with tots to teens know, Ocam’s razor rings true, only if you have previously witnessed the proof.
As soon as I saw the post, before I saw the cartoon, I pictured a maze,

Plain Jane

DH and our kids always tell me that I am mental. 🙂

Molly Pitcher

Great write-up Wolf.
It always makes me wary of an Occam’s Razor conclusion with anything swamp related. After all, the DS is the originator of psychological ops and deceit…nothing is as it seems with them.

daughnworks247

Occam’s Razor, Deception, Bigfoot.
Reminds me of Jeff Flake.
Hey, did you know Jeff Flake was a lobbyist for the Country of Namibia’s Uranium Mine by the name of Rossing back to 1990?
Which is owned in part by Iran?
Flake LIVED in Africa, moved back to the USA, kept lobbying for the Rossing firm, and scrubbed his profile when he ran for Senate in 2012.
BUT – he tried to run as a Washington outsider for Congress – when Flake was actually registered as a foreign agent for more than a decade.
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/16/jeff-flake-lobbyist-bio-arizona-senate-race_n_1521522.html?ncid=engmodushpmg00000003&fbclid=IwAR02MT-6y2YmG2JKUKUU-1MN-VnWcMlH1_3CshE4aCBT4pISMv73Vf9HqPo

andrew1979

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Spab

A simple example of Occam’s Razor in action:
A politician’s lips are moving; therefore he/she is lying.
Not always true but Occam’s razor says the above conclusion has the highest probability of being the truth of the matter.

daughnworks247

Well done, Spab, well done.

Plain Jane

Holy wow, even. Wouldn’t it have been nice if the pressitutes did their jobs before his election. But that could be said for the elections of most DC critters.

daughnworks247

Love the play on logic and assumptions in this article, Wolfie.
You had me reaching in, edge of my seat, to the point where we got to “one of the most extraordinary events in human history” (the WTC bombing) and left me……… AHhhhh! Curses!
We’re ready for the next chapter. We HAVE to know what happens next.
Please, keep going…., when you are ready.

Nor'easter

Bigfoot.
I’ve never seen one here in the New York metro area (closest thing we’ve got, I think, are Italians !).
Hypothetical:
If one were to see a Bigfoot up close and personal, and verify that it was real, not a costume, and not mistaken for any other animal, and maybe even get a cell phone pic/ video, WOULD THEY TELL ANYONE?
Consider the ridicule of both friends and strangers, and the harm to one’s reputation, excuses made by others that you were of victim of a hoax, questions raised about your mental health, etc.(Occam’s razor).
But you know what you saw. THIS IS YOUR TRUTH.
Perhaps Bigfoot is not the best example.
How about UFOs/ET aliens?
Surely, the chances that they exist far exceed that of Bigfoot; in fact, it is LIKELY.
PS: I have never seen a UFO/ET.
That’s my story and I’m stickin’ with it.

Gudthots

A long while back friend was visiting a library in a town in the northwest and happened across an old book written by a old-time missionary that gave accounts of bigfoot sightings. The author said the credible sigiting reports all had a specific and unmistakable element the their stories. The smell. So horrific one might find themselves retching. So there is that data point.

Gudthots

Their background and this information caused them to suspect demonic involvement.

Disney Echo

🧐 I’m not sure if this is disinformation, but it sure is interesting:
“Did GWB get served an indictment at the funeral?????”
https://voat.co/v/QRV/2896451comment image?fbclid=IwAR3FksZ4Dc2jdT5XvGdKI2iZFGOu0GN5LWkKvXjIS1avcvRtMGpVqEwEoA0

Disney Echo
churchmouse

From the Voat link, perhaps this is what happened (citing comment and reply below):
‘Maybe the papers inside the programs just had a big bold “Q” on them? Easy and quick to recognize…’
‘could be – a prankster could have done that then told his friends to watch’

Disney Echo

Or this:

churchmouse

Hmm.

Nor'easter

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churchmouse

Good one!

Plain Jane

If this is so, then my jokes about the US Marshalls cuffing all the DS present at the funeral wasn’t so far off.

SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA

This is better actually. Not a big scene that the media can foam at the mouth about–but they leave the funeral wishing they had been the guest of honor.

Plain Jane

Yes it is better. Wonder if it really, possibly, maybe, remotely, hopefully happened.

SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA

Well, I will be reasonably happy as long as it was something similar and as awful.

Plain Jane

Me too.

churchmouse

Excellent analysis of Occam’s Razor, wolf! I couldn’t agree more!
Here in the UK, people either use that term or, more often, ‘C*ck up before conspiracy’. My manager — nearly 20 years ago — couldn’t understand why I wanted to dig behind the surface of news items. He always used the ‘… before conspiracy’ line.
More recently, that tendency has gone away.
Nowadays, Occam’s Razor or ‘C— -up before C’ is seen and heard less and less, thankfully. More and more Britons are becoming red-pilled, regardless of whether they are Conservative, Labour or Liberal Democrat. That said, there is still a long way to go, but at least we are beginning to delve beneath the surface once again.

Elizabeth Carter

New Q posts

NYGuy54

Why won’t sundance let go of his obsession with Bill Mitchell? It’s flat out weird. He made his points now let it go. SD has split the MAGA movement apart by obsessing over stupid stuff.

Plain Jane

Style NOT the same.

SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA

I thought you were WM 1776.0.

andrew1979

i’ve been thinking the last couple days about your statements about your theory – trying to figure out what it is at least! today i thought about it once again and i might be catching on to what your theory is by reading the posts before you post it… maybe one day we can find out when the time is right…

Deplorable Patriot

SD doesn’t like being challenged for big dog in the pack.

wheatietoo

I love it. Wow. Thank you, Wolf, this is a brilliant analysis.
“Occam’s razor is a tool of deception.”
It really is, isn’t it.
And I hadn’t ever thought of that, but it is.
As you may remember…I mentioned one time, that “Occam’s Razor is only useful if you have all the facts.”
And that seemed to hit a chord for you.
But I had never stopped to contemplate, that because of this…Occam’s Razor can be used as a Tool of Deception.
That’s so true!
And the Deceivers use it all the time!
That’s why the enemedia censors the truth all the time.
They don’t want us to have All the Facts.
Thank you, Wolf, for taking the time to explain this so well.

Gil

Thats why Hirono reiterated “we democrats are so much smarter”…no they are professional deceivers!

wheatietoo

Aww, you’re very kind…and you are very welcome.
I’m just glad to hear that my ramblings make enough sense to be of help!
😀

Linda

That’s also why they can call everything a conspiracy theory. We’re supposed to just believe what they tell us something looks like (through the lens of their bias of course), not dig deeper and find other possibilities. That’s a conspiracy theory when you do that.

wheatietoo

Exactly so, Linda.
The way they use the term ‘conspiracy theory’ to shut down the truth…is a conspiracy in itself!
Hah.

andrew1979

in 30 some years of knowing what a conspiracy theory “felt like” and being able to tell the slight differences in the “feeling” to judge veracity or how close you are to the outcome, i can tell you this: you can almost guarantee if they tell you it’s a conspiracy then it is.
now here’s the hard part: one of the times down the block they may come back around on you and call a theory a theory and it might NOT be…
this one (trump era) is ONE HUGE theory with MANY small and large ones leading to the whole. it has to be huge because it’s not just trump/russia it is the plan for the world that’s been co-opted, so this time has been a range of feelings that are sometimes masked by 5 other “feeling” plans happening concurrently. but i will say that you can never bend, break, give in or give up because if the real deal can keep giving you the feels with all the distractions, static, and diversionary tactics at their disposal not able to drown it out you know it’s something big…

Marica

Wolfie!! What an eye-opening post!! Very well composed and like the others–now I CANNOT wait until your next post!!! Thank you Thank you Thank you!!
Let me see if I can apply Occam’s Razor is a Tool of Deception to something that happened to me in real life…
So back in 2012 (I think) I joined a small Tea Party Group–made donations and attended a few meetings–just dabbled. I was also active on FakeBook posting my disgust of O and company.
Towards the end of the year, I received a letter from the IRS-saying I owed money. I turned it over to our accountant and chalked it up to “Occams Razor” (didnt know the term)–just simply random letter.
By the 3rd or 4th letter from IRS dropping off to accountant–I jokingly stated they are reading my Fakebook posts!
Accountant said–“wierd that your husband doesn’t get these–as you file jointly. Now “Occam’s razor” Looks like they really were reading my Fakebook posts!
AND NOW we know Lois Lerner and company targeted Tea Party Groups. 2 times I chose the easiest route–I chose the Tool of Deception–rather than waiting for ALL information to come in…
Such an interesting time to be ALIVE!

wheatietoo

Oh yeah, Wolfie…the whole Donor thing during the HusseinO years was diabolical.
I don’t remember having to answer about “Where you work” before that time, whenever I was donating.
It was designed to Intimidate Conservative Donors.
Because Dems don’t get persecuted…by either side!
And…Oh the irony!
The Dems are the ones who break all the rules about foreign donations, money laundering and exceeding donation limits.

JasonD

Just like “free speech” Wheatie – only for me, not for thee.
I suppose it stands to reason – they are the “Elites”, we are the “deplorables” – Obviously they are our betters ….
Hmmm, maybe we can claim “victimhood status” – game their rules?
Nah, just vote them the hell out and keep em out!! And Gitmo a bunch of their azzes so they learn Dan Bongino’s “new rules”!

Gil

Holee cow.
If I drop a penny into this well will I EVER hear it plip into the water?
I honestly hope I can keep up!

JasonD

Basically Occam’s Razor is a decision making tool – an “on the balance of probabilities” weighting device.
It says NOTHING about ultimate reality – it points to a usefulness to weigh up one possible explanation over another.
This is its strength AND its weakness – yet another duality.
It serves us well in everyday life – Strength.
Knowing this, the decepticons will launch daring attacks that have “simpler” explanations – using our propensity to look for the “most obvious” answer against us – Weakness.
I think this is what Wolf is saying – in a nutshell.

Marica

Yes Jason!! the “Tool of Deception” used against us… WOW! By Fake News and bloggers alike…

andrew1979

great post man…i tried in vain to think of a way to explain it earlier but i was so wound up (late nights working on deadlines) that i was just operating on brain fumes at the time…
i have mentioned once here about a friend who bring’s the razor to bear in MANY situations that seem to correspond to my at the same time getting this moment of clarity regarding the “possible happening” that we were just talking about.
and it’s usually when we are a good bit into a conversation – and we are both active and offering thoughts – and you get to that point where you have to take a bit of a leap of faith to fill in a blank spot and what, out comes the razor…
i do not judge or lose interest in him or his thoughts, i just recognize there are places where i just have to stop the inferences and move on to something else where we can get a nothing theory started!

JasonD

Yup, that Razor is most commonly found on wire around the drinking trough! 🙂
That old saying, you can lead a horse to water, but you can’t make him drink ….
People stick with what is comfortable and familiar, and will use that imaginary Razor wire fence around the drinking trough as an excuse not to drink, so to speak.

SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA

Marica, you’re such a spreader of doom and gloom.
(/s of course).

Marica

Glad I can Find a place to spread my doom and gloom without being yelled at in all CAPS!!! LOL!! Steve!! you rock!!!

SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA

OF COURSE YOU…er, excuse me.
Of course you can!
(I love Adorable Deplorables.)

Marica

Wolfie!! I got a request… In Honor of Comey testifying tomorrow…Can you post that pic of Comey looking like a shadowbanned X ? It made me laugh til i cried!! ALMOST peed myself! Your followers Need to see this!! LOL!!!

andrew1979

you got that one with him hiding in the curtains for part 2?

Marica

YEES!!! You are truly Amazing!! I am blessed to have met you!! GOD has brought us ALL together!!!

Gudthots

Occam’s razor is dependent upon the observer, whereas truth is not.

But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes,
he will guide you into all the truth.
He will not speak on his own;
he will speak only what he hears,
and he will tell you what is yet to come.
John 16:13

I think this was posted by Q a long while back…comment image

pgroup

Just like the phases of the moon.

Gudthots

Yes!!!

itswoot

I made a reply to a post by Marcia (posted at 10:24) that isn’t showing up after refreshing the page. Gone into the spam bin?

Gudthots

If you include more than 3 links I think it’s automatically sent into moderation. Other than that, I don’t know.

itswoot

Not a single link. That’s what is so strange. Maybe my use of the word “profane” is what caused it?

Gudthots

Only the Wolf can make a more educated guess.

itswoot

Thanks muchly!

Sylvia Avery

I’m late to the party tonight just trying to get caught up. Really good post, Wolf. There’s a lot to chew on. Really, really good stuff. Thanks for sharing it with us.

Covadonga

Fantastic post, Wolfmoon. Very thought provoking.
Hats off for that.

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